Christianity is completely different to Islam. Islam is 10 times more stricter and evil. Apostasy in Islam is death by stoning, there is no punishment for apostasy in Christianity -you can choose your own path whenever you want to. Islam makes their women wear face masks, what God would cover the face of their creation? Islam is an extreme religion with no place in modern society. They talk about living by the quran because it has good morals, which is completely untrue. + I only believe in God
@jesusisaprophet1 Dawkins probably knows more about Islam then most Muslims atheists are in general more knowledgable of religion then the religious are. Not to mention getting a Muslim to admitt that the penelty for apostasy is death should be all you need to know about Islam to see it for the mental virus that it is
@TheJimboman300 what makes u believe that he is telling the truth? did u study Islam ur self and u found that he is right?
see him here laying
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try to be honest if u want the truth,if u do not,just ignore my message, please do not be a parrot copying stuff from this ignorant ,thinking that ur questions never been asked or never been answered bu Muslims, i even know ur questions 1st Apostasy in Islam 2 the 2ed wife of Muhamed then fighting in Islam some time about DNA in Quran
@TheJimboman300 see this video how he could wash ur brain , the man at the end of the video said in Muslim world they deal with Apostasy by dead , i agree , but in Islam u can not deal with it this way, so after cutting many things from the debate moving things and ignoring thins and putting some stupid title for the movie ,this is the best they could do ,saying in Muslim world we kill u if u leave Islam , will waw this is not the 1st stupid thing Muslims are doing witch is not in Islam
@jesusisaprophet1 No I did read the Koran and Muslims are close minded,Jesus was Gods Son & you can be saved through him even though your Cult calls ""The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle,cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."Bukhari,Sahih al-Bukhari,9:83:17
@databasemaster3 blah blah blah , anther parrot just copying and pasting , anther parrot same speak i know a lot about Islam , i did read the Quran , i memories every saying for mohamed , soon i'll have my own mosque ,then if i search ur replay i find it an exact copy from this website mannsword blogspot com or this one newageislam com at lease try to change some words next time
Everyone, please can I have your attention for a moment?
We know apostasy in Islam is punishable by death. In some countries this is taken as dogma. I'd like for you all to know that here in Sweden, a 36 year old Pakistani atheist and his family now are threatened to be deported. He will surely be murdered if he returns.
Please take one minute of your time and sign this petition. We can make a difference.
Stupid Muslims........every citizen of the United Kingdom has his/her rights enshrined in the constitution, and the state protects those rights as long as we live by this countries secular laws.....this is the social contract and it over rides Islam.....if they don't agree with it they can move back to dustland
@whitehead130.......... hey muslim goof... the wacko with the beard admitted that the penalty for apostasy was death in islam countries...yes islam is religion of love and mercy you blinded retarded hypocrite
Closeted ex-muslim atheist right here. My family was quite liberal and my mom was a Catholic (now agnostic). The reason I admire dawkins is that he speaks the truth and isn't afraid of confrontation.
Before i moved to the west. The place of knowledge and freedom i thought that people here are free to think and respect others. I live in Holland for the last 6 years and it hurt me to see so much people believe in what others tell them to believe. There is something called research. Any source of information can be false. analyse it and use your own mind to makeup your mind. Iam not a typical muslim but i don't like those kind of false messages from other to fuck up islam.
"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods, do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."
@snaforfun The bible is as bad as the koran. All religions are based on being a special group that is better than everyone else. It's all bullshit and has been for centuries. Why can't people live a moral life and be good to each other without the lies, killing and nonsense of religion?
@snaforfun No one loves conquerors that force a religion down your throats. Muslims forced Jews and Christians to convert or pay a tax. So much for "no compulsion" in Islam. Your words are lies and your actions speak for themselves. Islam is a religion of hate and suppression. And the proof is in the news every day, day after day.
@snaforfun Tell you what: learn to spell and write, learn some history and then we can talk.
Your example of comparing taxes to jizya is hilarious (and pathetic). We pay taxes for services, but you Muslims want us to pay taxes because we aren't Muslims. You can stuff your jizya and your Muslim lies up your ass. Islam is bullshit. Mohammed was a despotic, genocidal pervert. Take your ass and your religion back to the dark ages and out of the western world.
@ghostframer actually, the Jizya was nothing compared to taxes. and it wnt into the treasury not people pocket.
the Jizya is a form of TAX. you pay it as a non Muslim Citizen. Muslims pay Zakat.
and btw, for yuor information
Women didnt pay, unature kids didnt pay , the POOR didnt pay (and actually got alownece from the Muslim treasury) . and in case the Muslims failed to protect them , they had the right to collect the jizya back. and it Happened once.
@snaforfun I guess the proof of how wonderful the Muslim world is must be the poverty, violence, honour killings, suicide bombings and stoning of women. You can keep your lies and your religion. We don't want it and we won't accept it.
@snaforfun Typical Muslim. Say anything I don't like and you will suffer. That's how you assholes handle anything.
This is not the middle ages you moron. Western society has moved on from your genocidal, women-hating life. You can keep it in your Muslim countries and kill each other over your false god. We don't care about you or your lies.
@ununununununun37 I grew up in one, and it was horrible. Thankfully I am an adult now and I left Islam. My life got so much better after leaving Islam, and I am so happy I was born in America as opposed to being born in some idiot Muslim country where I would literally be stuck.
And before you think of replying to me from your googled, vague translations of altered Qu'ranic text, go read a couple dozen trusted books written by real muslims on the matter, not some twisted, out of context, islam-bashing, athiest written website.
UNJUST VOILENCE OF ANY SORT IS FORBIDDEN IN ISLAM EXCEPT IN SELF DEFENSE, PERIOD.
Oh yeah i forgot to mention that there is a sole death penalty for murdering someone. Even in this case, if the family forgive the killer he's to be spared.
The qu'ran never mentioned apostacy. But the fact that it does, and specifies no such harsh punishment for it, yet specifies punishments for sins with weaker punishments, indicates and undoubtedly suggests that had there been a punishment for apostacy, the Qu'ran would have definitely covered it considering the weight of the supposed punishment. Please educate yourselves and not just blindly listen to arguments between people who you think 'are much smarter than you'. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH
@CVLFMG Quran does have punishment for apostasy...its death!Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"
@allahlovesmycock3 How utterly ridiculous. READ THE NEXT VERSE YOU IGNORAMUS
(4:90) - Except those who join a group between you and whom there is a (peace-) treaty or those who approach you with their hearts restraining them from fighting you or fighting their own people. Had God willed he would have given them power over you and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you and do not fight you but give you (guarantees of) peace, then God has opened no way for you against them
@CVLFMG thats the question..why would your god separate ppl...why would god make a division? why us among them? answer me!..this shows islam is not from God ...but from Satan!..
@allahlovesmycock3 This verse 4:89 is referring to a battle which took place 1400yrs ago. It was between the Muslims and people of Mecca who had come to fight the Muslims so they were defending themselves. Muslims in Mecca had been abused, totured and killed so they left Mecca and went to Madina but sometime after the Meccans raised an army to attack the Muslims in Madina. This is when the Allah gave the order for the Muslims to fight back !! Read the other verses and you will see.
@JudgeD007 who told u meccans were abusing muslims? show me proof?! on the contrary it was pedophile child rapist muhammad was constantly attacking and ridiculing the meccans...and finally when meccans were fed up..muhammad the coward cock sucking pedophile had to leave mecca to medina..Meccan's patient has limits to u know!
"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods, do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."
The Qu'ran addresses much lesser punishments for much greater sins, there is no sin that is punished by death in Islam except for making war on Islam (i.e. killing muslims) and it is with certainty that the Qu'ran would not have left an issue of such great importance (supposedly punished by death penalty) to be covered by the hadith especially when apostacy has been mentioned multiple times, yet no 'death' was specified. You could raise the argument that it was a teaching of the prophet if
Both Richard Dawkins and this 'islamic' teacher do not know what they are talking about, the qu'ran has never ever stated that death is the penalty for apostacy. This was a practise added much later. The 'hadith' that this apparently came from directly contradicts the teachings of the Qu'ran, where it demands that if someone leaves the religion to live in peace, they are to be left alone. If they leave the religion to make war on Islam, they are to be killed in military warfare conditions alone.
Lol funny, because according to the Quran it actually does not state that you kill someone for leaving their faith. So really, like most atheists Richard Dawkins does not actually use his argument from the Quran itself. Instead he finds stuff other people have brought up and use that same argument. And like the person in the beginning who didn't know how to answer Dawkins there are many other idiots like him. Learn a religion from it's source people.
@LGandBLOODS yes it does...Quran says kill apostates! Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"
LOL @ the difference between muslim countries and Great britain at the last part, so what is this fellow trying to say ? the two countries worship two different gods ? Doesn't the "law" apply to all muslims across the world?
@peenfluteking I'm sure you'd feel terrible if you killed someone. However like David Hume said, you can't get an 'ought' from an 'is'. so feeling terrible doesn't mean you ought to feel terrible. It's simply a statment of fact. For example, people yawn when tired, but that doesn't mean they 'ought' to yawn. So saying we evolved to be this way "we are the way we are" doesn't tell us how we ought to be. If we'd evolved to be violent & selfish, it woldn't follow we'd ought to be so.
If Muslims just want to pick and choose from their scripture till it suits their own personal morality, they might as well be secularist they're just cherry picking certain ideas from a holy book to approve their empirical derived morals, ignoring scripture that conflicts with their outlook.The scripture still teaches you deserve to die for leaving Islam, where you live and if youre killed for it is besides the point. If youre raised thinking you deserve death for this choice, its not a choice.
Dr Mohamad, you are being evasive on purpose because you have no leg to stand on. If the death penalty is applied to apostasy then of course it's unfair to indoctrinate a child from birth because if he wants out later on, he faces death. That's all Dawkins was trying to get at you thick piece of crap. And to that moronic female student, people of faith of course convert to other religions later in life, but the odds are lower because you start with an intrinsic bias.
we hate israel because israelis invaded palestine with the help of the americans and britons. They are nothing different than the kingdom of jarusalem after the crusades which lasted for 100 years. And the israel's end will be like the kingdom of jarusalem. jews controlled palestine with fraud,terror and deception so every means is justified to get it back.
i do not mind jews control the world as long as they go away from the muslim lands. live happily with your crook jewish bankers in the usa
Islam is a religious Monster!! It’s Creating Hell On Earth… let’s aim on creating Heaven on Earth filled with Love, Peace, Mercy, Forgiveness and Happiness.
People you need to realise Islam religion require from muslims to lie and do anything in order to defeat there enemies ( non believers, christians...etc)
So don't fall on tricks if they try to convince you that is religion of piece they don't have any problem what so ever to lie in your face.
Treat them as robots who wont listen to you, never go in argument with them, they are highly ignorant of what you say, they don't want to listen to you. Just avoid them and don't let them impose anything.
@mattew2221 to lie is forbidden in islam. i wonder how you reached this conclusion. there is 'war is deceit' in islam but this is in the war times only.
if sharia is barbaric, they the american constitution is more barbaric than the sharia. there is death penalty in some american states too.
I am not to compare which killing is worse, killing is killing, and I don't approve that, If people would figure out system for raising good children with good morals, there wouldn't be need to worry about crimes and immorality.
Problem with Islam is they try to correct behavior with violence, I think there are much more reasonable ways to correct peoples behavior than stone them, and killing -(well than no need for that)
verses where they teach to lie 16:106-2:225-49:857-3:54..etc
@mattew2221 i checked all of the verses you gave here. 49:857 does not exists and the other verses has nothing to do with teaching lies. i wonder whether you read the translation made by a zionist or not but in the original it is not so. of course punishment is the last resort for correcting the behaviour. but you need to punish somehow to stop the spreading of adultry and theft otherwise our society will also be like the west, full of pornography . By the way this is what the old tastemant says
Stop zionist bullshit, you hate Isreal cause they don't wont let your bullshit occupyting in. I think you are one who is spreading propaganda about Zionist and Isreal, does any normal people thing such small nation can control world.
Its delusion is just war between religions and for land
@countroshculla knowing and believing is 2 diff thing. If we didnt have any guidlines it will cause many awkward rules on this world. Just look in usa it self, so many awkward rules there.
@blasthood in real life our goverment also 'pointing guns' to our head to do things. In school we learn from teachers as guidance. And all of it didnt come naturally. Look in the womb process stated in that book for 1400 years ago. But we never learned from it. And suddenly when our technology grows it shows the exact same thing. And ppl start call it coincidence. Or natural selection.
'I fail to see the connection'.. other than that the majority of British Muslims want to see Sharia law introduced in this country. What a disingenuous little man.
I'd rather be good & moral because I know it's right and not because some book told me to and scared me with the boogey man. You can be good with god but it's because you are scared. Being good just because you are scared of the consequences means that you might not do the same actions if you didn't have fear.
@countroshculla how do you know which one is right which one is wrong when you didnt have any guidance? If you can be good JUST because you know it's right, then why should law & punishment exist in this world?
@mejik how do you know which one is right which one is wrong when you didnt have any guidance? - You need guidance, good examples and common sense. You don't a fairy or a ghost in the sky for that.
Law & punishment should exist to correct the wrong doings and because some people just don't care what they do. And hey most of the biggest criminal in the world, believed in a god in some form or the other.
@mejik If you're a sheep who cannot think for itself, then you need guidance to tell you how to live, but if you can think you can make your things by your own. But then tell me this, what is more genuine, doing the "correct" thing because someone is pointing a gun on your head and telling you to do it, or because you want to do it yourself spontaneously?
In an 'Islamic' country you either follow religion or its death! That doesnt leave much in the way of free will
I am Atheist and proud of it, I like Richard Dawkins can take from religion what i can from being an everyday human being with good morals, common decency and manners etc... I no longer need religion and the other teachings the scriptures give you to live a life close to that of someone who is religious
If you are religious thats fine just respect those who choose not to be
@ashraf48 Extract from wikipedia regarding UK Law in respect of treason which is verified
The penalty for treason was changed from death to a maximum of imprisonment for life in 1998 under the Crime And Disorder Act before 1998, the death penalty was mandatory, subject to the royal prerogative of mercy
That applies in the UK other countries who still have the death penalty would have the traitor killed
But not following religion because your ordered to in my eyes isn't treason
@ashraf48 How can a religion FORCE its members to participate like mindless drones and if they dare to challenge it then its considered treason and the death penalty will be given
Religion should be about choice not fear i think if i were brought up in a muslim faith i would have still gone atheist even with a death penalty looming over my head you may think i wouldnt but i have found that i can lead a moral life with out religion and i believe i would have done the same with islam
It is a common myth that Hitler was not a Christian. In fact, he always made it clear that he was a Roman Catholic. In Mein Kampf Hitler wrote “by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord”. Once he gained power he got the support of both the Protestant and Catholic churches. The anti-semitism on which the Nazi movement was built was fostered by the main churches. It was this support which made Nazism so acceptable to “respectable” people.
@Rayman77792 Your entire paragraph perfectly sums up your incompetence. You just described how propaganda works. He claimed to be a Christian JUST SO HE COULD GET SUPPORT. ANyone that read his personal biographies, automatically knows Hitler absolutely despised Christianity. Man, athiests, deluding themselves since 30 A.D
@gloinstrong "We feel offended on account of this questioning of our loyalty to the state. Catholic men, we will now pray together a paternoster for the life of the Führer." ("Katholische Männer, wir beten jetzt zusammen ein Vaterunser für das Leben des Führers.") -- Cardinal Michael Faulhaber, June 7, 1936.
@gloinstrong "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter"
@gloinstrong Let's have some quotes straight from Mein Kampf, his autobiography and book of political philosophies.
"The Anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge" - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf.
"For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will" - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf.
@gloinstrong Or how about some more quotes? You know, evidence (of which you have none):
"We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight AGAINST the atheistic movement and that not merely theoretical declarations: We have stamped it out." - Hitler, Berlin on 24th Oct 1933.
"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord's work." - 1938, Reichstag speech.
"Christ was the greatest early fighter in the battle against the world enemy, the Jews... The work that Christ started but could not finish, I - Adolf Hitler - will conclude."
So, have you read any of this? Or are you the deluded one, blindly speaking what your fellow religious people have told you without evidence to back it up?
@Mondaysan Are you mentally ill? Does logic fly over you? I just told you that ALL of his personal work/biographies/journals despise Christianity as a cancer. All of his public works/speeches WERE TO GET THE VOTES OF THE CATHOLICS IN GERMANY. Nah, forget it, your too much of an idiot to understand.
@gloinstrong If a Duck says he's a Duck, acts like a Duck and gives no evidence to suggest he's not a Duck, is he a Duck? And if say, a religious person suddenly claims he's not a Duck because this makes their religion look better, does this mean he is not a Duck?
@tacky0n I wouldn't say it's "based on pedophilia" but I agree that it has some pretty harsh laws. I'm interested in that story you mentioned. Can you provide me with a source?
In the past Vatican did evil things too. But I personally never related it with Bible. A wrong deed of a religious leader can never be a subject to blame a religion. At that point you criticize Vatican, not Christianity.
Koran never mentions a death penalty but later on some thinkers come up with the idea of death penalty which is clearly not Islam.
What you are saying almost is the black propaganda of US neocons. I don't say Islam needs no critic. I said before we need revision for Islam.
@mrnolan91 How can you revise Islam? Go back to Muhammad? Be more Like Muhammad? He was a pedophile, and war mongerer. At least the CHristians can go back to Jesus CHrist.
@gloinstrong The "CHristians" can also go back to thousands of years of war, torture, burning people at the stake and women for being "witches", countless times of "Pedophilia" "war Mongering". You have nothing to be proud about either.
@gloinstrong They are athiests but they didnt COMMIT those attrocities because they were athiests, hitler didnt kill all the jews because he was an athiest.
Where as your stupid church has waged countless wars BECAUSE of their religion.
Those Athiests you mentioned didnt start their wars for that reason
but im fairly sure the crusades were driven by "almighty gods will"
@xxJackeeboixx Athiesm gave them the JUSTIFICATION to do what they did. As for the "crusades", nowhere is that biblical. Don't even try to point at the Old Testament with the Israelis, GOD told them to kill "specific" people at a "specific" time. The rest of the Bible, 90% is about God's Love/justice/ and grace. The "Just" part is the one Athiests have a terrible time with, because the idea of God punishing "sin" SEEMS SO AWEFUL. Guess what, If your father saw you steal something, would he
@xxJackeeboixx would he let it slide? If you knew your father let it slide, then you would automatically assume yoru Father was okay with you stealing. God will not, and cannot just let "sin" slide by, it is against his perfect/pure nature.
@gloinstrong Irrelevent, out of context, and not even slightly understandable. please read the entire conversation i was having again and reread what i said. then you will know i am an athiest and i dont care what "our father" wants nor do i care about christian "sin".
While I don't like Richard Dawkins because of his attacks against Christianity, I do respect him for pointing out the inconsistencies and hypocrisies of religions.
Also, while "honor killings" among Christians is EXTREMELY RARE, it does sometimes happen.
And please do not comment on Koran by quoting from Bukhari.
What today happening is because of Arabs' ignorance, poverty and wrong interpretations of Islam, such as Sahih al-Bukhari. Islam in its core is very humanistic but still needs revision in a more humanitarian way for 21. century.
@mrnolan91 Arabs are *real* Muslims. Muhammad PDM was an Arab (Jew). They know about Islam more than *you* or any other with a history of raped or forced to convert from pagans/Christianity/Judaism ancestry. Arabs are not ignorant or wrong because Arabic is their fucking language. They *know* Arabic (old and new) and Quran much much more than the converted Muslims.
Bearded nuthead totally got owned by Richard Dawkins. "What's the relevant between Islamic countries and Great Britain????" And he said ' apostrophes'. Rofl!! Joke of the century. Yeah, send the radicals back to their own homeland and they can kill whoever they want. Just don't tarnish the rest of the world.
all religions are full of insecure gods, must believe me or die!! there is no god but me,me,meeee!!! reject me and believe some other god, well you guess it . die !!!! if you dont believe in me i wont let you in my club , heaven or paradise instead you can go to my other club, hell. but but if you say you like me before you die even if you have done terrible things you can still come to my nice club.if that was a person saying that to me i would punch him in the mouth and set fire to his clubs
Of course women are allowed to walk lonely in the streets. A woman has even been prime minister in Turkey. Search in wiki for Tansu Ciller, Turkey's former prime.
They can attend any school and do any job they wish in legal basis. There is no legal penalty for apostasy. But the problem is todays government is highly conservative unlike the ones before and is somehow threathening to the progress we made. And biggest problem in Turkey is, progress is not welcomed by some conservative people...
There is death penalty for apostasy only in some very radical Muslim countries like Afghanistan. That penalty is never mentioned in Koran and it's just a material to scare some people for political purposes. Radical muslims well know when they allow people to think freely they won't have one follower left. So death penalty for apostasy is like the Berlin Wall Soviets built to keep people under their control. One day those people'll realize that one doesn't need to be atheist to become modern.
There is no death penalty for apostasy in Islam. Some stupid scholars have taken a Hadith of the Prophet out of the context of that time and applied it everywhere. There were about 2-3 people who became apostates in the very beginning of Islam. They were not killed. The killing ruling was issued by the Prophet because some Jews use to accept Islam hypocritically and then they use to leave it the next day deliberately. To stop such incidents, the punishment was given. It does not apply now.
That fucking bearded radical moron talks about respecting human beings. I highly doubt his respect to atheist, agnostic, gay people.
I am a Muslim too. There is no penalty for apostasy in Koran. It's between the person and God. Nobody can interfere, especially punish people for their beliefs. What he says is just political Islam crap.
This is one of few videos where I agree with Dawkins. He is absolutely right here. And no religion can contradict with human rights.
@mrnolan91 'no religion can contradict with human rights'
The Quran does not support women's rights:
Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and beat them. Quran, 4:34
@Oldtinear Since Bible has been rewrited several times throughout history it was believed to be true to keep Koran untouched. This action kept Koran uncorrupted indeed, but after 1400 years it's now a need to revise it. Except the laws of universe everything changes on earth. Koran was like a revolution in the 8. century and it needs to be adapted into 21. century. Imagine any morality in 700's. Those times atheists were pro-slavery but I am not charging today any atheist for being pro-slavery.
@Oldtinear Things always change and rarely disappear. You might even wonder some of your secular traditions might originate from old religions. In the history of civilization we always added something to the construct. Religions are a big part of it. Rejecting it would cause confusion, trauma in society. In medieval time Christianity was also very brutal, I'm not even mentioning crusades. But Europe had a nice enlighment time. This is also needed for Middle-East and Islamic world...
@Oldtinear ...(continuing) I am from Turkey. Turkey had a little enlightment at the beginning of the 20. century. You can easily distinguish Turkey from other Islamic countries. I am not saying we have no problems. But in comparison we are far more advanced than other Islamic countries. Our constitution is %100 secular. State has no official religion. Sharia courts are not legal etc.
@mrnolan91 Thank you for your description of Turkey - it is good to read info beyond just the newpapers. In Turkey, are women allowed to walk in the streets unaccompanied by a man? Can they attend schools and universities and become professional women such as doctors and lawyers? What is the penalty for apostasy in Turkey (giving up Islam)?
@Oldtinear ...(continuing) Society is divided into progressive and conservative people. Radical groups of conservative people do not even recognize states law. They do marry 4 women illegally, force women to cover their heads with veil, attack non-muslim people or women who they think she is fornicating. They don't allow their daughters to attend any school. Their daughters usually attend illegal schools or no school at all. These are the problems I mentioned.
@Oldtinear For not to be confusing, those radicals I have mentioned are powerful in some regions of Turkey. So there are areas where you can drink alcohol in the streets or walk with your girl friend, the developed areas. But there are also the areas which are dominated by radicals where no woman without veil can not enter, of course less in comparison to developed areas. Conditions are a little similar to America's. America is also a secular state but most of republicans do not accept it.
@mrnolan91 You seem to say that where the Koran is strictly followed by radicals, life is sexist and very difficult for women. But where some enlightenment has taken place, women are allowed an equality which is not strictly allowed by the Koran
I see the solution for modern secular laws to be given precedence over medieval religious texts - i.e. for the enlightenment to continue. Yet you see a place for an updated C21st view of the Koran. Why? Surely this will create yet another warring sect?
@Oldtinear Problem is beyond following Koran very strictly because some actions of these radicals are never even mentioned in Koran at all. For example the death penalty for apostasy. It can only be explained as intolerance and hatred. Or you could say mind imprisonment. Also the areas of radicals are usually poor areas. Suming up I can say feudalism, poverty, ignorancy, false politics and sometimes as you said the literal following of Koran cause these problems.
@mrnolan91 'the death penalty for apostasy (is) never even mentioned in Koran at all'
This is not true. It says it about ten times in the Koran or Hadiths:
But whoever turns back and disbelieves, Allah will punish him with a mighty Punishment, Surely to Us is their turning back, Then surely upon Us is the taking of their account. (Koran 88:26)
Bukhari (52:260) The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.
@mrnolan91 'There is no penalty for apostasy in Koran. It's between the person and God. Nobody can interfere'
You sound like a nice person, but you are absolutely mistaken:
But whoever turns back and disbelieves, Allah will punish him with a mighty Punishment, Surely to Us is their turning back, Then surely upon Us is the taking of their account. Koran (88:26)
Many people have been killed based on these words.
@mrnolan91 Islam does have a death penalty for apostasy just like it has it for many other sins. There is nothing "radical" about that. That's pretty much the norm among Islamic sects.
@SaudiPseudonym 'Islam does have a death penalty for apostasy'
So in Islamic countries, small children are indoctrinated by their religious leaders and parents. Then, in later life, if they try to reject the indoctrination, they are killed.
This is religion by indoctrination and terror. Shame on you.
@SaudiPseudonym 'Islam does have a death penalty for apostasy just like it has it for many other sins. There is nothing "radical" about that. That's pretty much the norm among Islamic sects.'
It is not clear where you stand. It is impossible to be neutral about the killing of people for abandoning their religion, and other 'sins' as you call them. Are you for or against such killings?
I used to be muslim, but then I realized that islam was a lie, a false religion created by a dead arab child rapist named mohammad. So i left islam. What is my punishment?
@robocong7420 According to Islam, you should be killed. That's why I have to use a pseudonym and all kinds of security precautions on the internet :) Your channel looks like a Christian's. Are you, by any chance, a jebus-freak?
i'm an atheist. i used to be a muslim, until i realized that the pig prophet mohammad was just a snake in the grass waiting to strike. so i left islam. where are the brave muslims? i havent been punished yet. are muslims going to let me get away with insulting their snake prophet?
and how did you escape the brainwashing, given that every child in saudi is essentially put into a brainwashing camp from birth and forced to be mezmerized by the koran 12 hours a day
@mrnolan91 Sharia is very clear, the penalty for apostasy is DEATH. To make the excuse that it's merely a political tool is failing to see the plain and clear writing in Sharia law. The reason it's not enforced in Western countries is because they don't up hold Sharia law but if it was up to most Muslims, they would implement it there as well. Thanks to democracy and rational thinkers, we don't subject ourselves to that barbaric ideals.
@tonydorsett33 What you today call Sharia has nothing to do with Islam. There is no indication of any kind of penalty on earth for apostasy in Koran. Only God can punish or forgive non-believers according to Koran.
Baqara 256 "There is no compulsion in religion."
I see many people quote from Bukhari to support their point of view. But as you can see there is no verse from Koran indicating a penalty. So what Bukhari says is a wrong interpretation.
@mrnolan91 I know of a case personally (a close friend lost his brother) where a man left Islam and was killed by the congregation before he was able to flee. The killing was chalked up to apostasy publicly, his home and business burned to the ground. His wife and daughters were able to escape the country and now reside in Australia, his son was pulled from his studies and was executed when he too showed secular views. The Koran I have says clearly that apostasy is punished with death.
this fuckwit also called a black man an ape . who the fuck is this athiest to question people when he sits on the fence
issamzac 1 day ago
@issamzac He also said that he was an ape too. Whats your point?
TheCollarFamily 1 day ago
@issamzac he meant it in a scientic sense. Humans are infact apes. He also said "we all africans"
DevornCauser 18 hours ago
what is the crime for apostecy? well.. lets bring the debate back ...
hahahaha you were just hitchslapped by dawkins
MrTheGori 4 days ago
fucking coward sugar coating the death penalty haha just say it
ibsayem1337 5 days ago
You fail to see the connection and you fail to make sense
ryananderson280195 1 week ago
Dawkins style!
YassiineAb 1 week ago
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Christianity is completely different to Islam. Islam is 10 times more stricter and evil. Apostasy in Islam is death by stoning, there is no punishment for apostasy in Christianity -you can choose your own path whenever you want to. Islam makes their women wear face masks, what God would cover the face of their creation? Islam is an extreme religion with no place in modern society. They talk about living by the quran because it has good morals, which is completely untrue. + I only believe in God
ITroll4DaLOLS 2 weeks ago
also why the video uploader cuts the video when ever the Muslim man trys to talk
or why they do not even answer his questions
jesusisaprophet1 2 weeks ago
this is the best way to study Islam
to watch 7 mins video for Richard Dawkins explaining a religion he knows nothing about
jesusisaprophet1 2 weeks ago
@jesusisaprophet1 Dawkins probably knows more about Islam then most Muslims atheists are in general more knowledgable of religion then the religious are. Not to mention getting a Muslim to admitt that the penelty for apostasy is death should be all you need to know about Islam to see it for the mental virus that it is
TheJimboman300 2 days ago
@TheJimboman300 what makes u believe that he is telling the truth? did u study Islam ur self and u found that he is right?
see him here laying
/watch?v=xyusSZ5Z1ek
try to be honest if u want the truth,if u do not,just ignore my message, please do not be a parrot copying stuff from this ignorant ,thinking that ur questions never been asked or never been answered bu Muslims, i even know ur questions 1st Apostasy in Islam 2 the 2ed wife of Muhamed then fighting in Islam some time about DNA in Quran
jesusisaprophet1 2 days ago 5
@TheJimboman300 see this video how he could wash ur brain , the man at the end of the video said in Muslim world they deal with Apostasy by dead , i agree , but in Islam u can not deal with it this way, so after cutting many things from the debate moving things and ignoring thins and putting some stupid title for the movie ,this is the best they could do ,saying in Muslim world we kill u if u leave Islam , will waw this is not the 1st stupid thing Muslims are doing witch is not in Islam
jesusisaprophet1 2 days ago 6
@jesusisaprophet1 No I did read the Koran and Muslims are close minded,Jesus was Gods Son & you can be saved through him even though your Cult calls ""The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle,cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."Bukhari,Sahih al-Bukhari,9:83:17
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@databasemaster3 blah blah blah , anther parrot just copying and pasting , anther parrot same speak i know a lot about Islam , i did read the Quran , i memories every saying for mohamed , soon i'll have my own mosque ,then if i search ur replay i find it an exact copy from this website mannsword blogspot com or this one newageislam com at lease try to change some words next time
jesusisaprophet1 10 hours ago
The woman at 1:19 looks EXACTLY like Julia Gillard.
DeathByTarantula 3 weeks ago
Everyone, please can I have your attention for a moment?
We know apostasy in Islam is punishable by death. In some countries this is taken as dogma. I'd like for you all to know that here in Sweden, a 36 year old Pakistani atheist and his family now are threatened to be deported. He will surely be murdered if he returns.
Please take one minute of your time and sign this petition. We can make a difference.
thepetitionsite . com/1/dont-deport-atheist-khalid-saeed-to-pakistan/
Thank you.
arsacesofconcobar 3 weeks ago 2
from america to my english firends....resist the growing threat from islam while you still can. we are with you.
lafontaine13 3 weeks ago
Stupid Muslims........every citizen of the United Kingdom has his/her rights enshrined in the constitution, and the state protects those rights as long as we live by this countries secular laws.....this is the social contract and it over rides Islam.....if they don't agree with it they can move back to dustland
asaidweeman28 3 weeks ago
there is no death penatyu for apostates in islam .it was only carried out in wars in islam
it was not for ever .the is no compulsion in islam la ikra fideen and so many versjus
of quran.i would like to ask the advocates of the death penalty how woulod you preach islam
to people if they are told they will be killed if they revert. do you want hypocrites munafiks?
islam is religion of love mercy and wisdom ahmed sutton
whitehead130 1 month ago
@whitehead130.......... hey muslim goof... the wacko with the beard admitted that the penalty for apostasy was death in islam countries...yes islam is religion of love and mercy you blinded retarded hypocrite
randomlight1 2 weeks ago
@randomlight1 look i know my religion more than you as youj are not a muslim.just
a critic who is either an athiist or chrisitan or another religion. i dont use your language
thats what islam has taught us to be polite . death penalty is no tmenitoned in quran
so many muslims sects dont believe it to be correct .
whitehead130 2 weeks ago
@whitehead130 Polite ? You'll be telling us its a peaceful religion next lol!
lifeinaletterbox 1 week ago
@randomlight1 Love it buddy.
lifeinaletterbox 1 week ago
Closeted ex-muslim atheist right here. My family was quite liberal and my mom was a Catholic (now agnostic). The reason I admire dawkins is that he speaks the truth and isn't afraid of confrontation.
DoctorZushiDragon 1 month ago
anyone has the full version of this video? i would like to see the imam's irritated face
alipo4 1 month ago
Before i moved to the west. The place of knowledge and freedom i thought that people here are free to think and respect others. I live in Holland for the last 6 years and it hurt me to see so much people believe in what others tell them to believe. There is something called research. Any source of information can be false. analyse it and use your own mind to makeup your mind. Iam not a typical muslim but i don't like those kind of false messages from other to fuck up islam.
amancio233 1 month ago
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CHRISTIAN APOSTASY LAW:
"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods, do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."
Deuteronomy 13: 6-9
JudgeD007 1 month ago
Typical Muslim. First you lie, then you cry racism and then you change the subject. The whole western world is on to your tricks.
ghostframer 1 month ago
@ghostframer THE BIBLE :deuteronomy 13 verse 6 to 18 READ IT ALL
snaforfun 1 month ago
@snaforfun The bible is as bad as the koran. All religions are based on being a special group that is better than everyone else. It's all bullshit and has been for centuries. Why can't people live a moral life and be good to each other without the lies, killing and nonsense of religion?
ghostframer 1 month ago
@ghostframer maybe you compare Islam to others ?
I tell you the only Conquerors in the world that were welcomed and loved were the Muslims.
who conquered Afghanistan tell me
Alexander failed,UK failed , USSR failed , today all of the NATO failed..
The Muslims few soldiers they reached afghanistan and Afghanis loved them and became Muslim
the Mongols took over 1/2 Islamic world,did pple leave Islam? NO.the Mongols became Muslims for the first time the conquered Converts the Conqurer
snaforfun 1 month ago
@snaforfun No one loves conquerors that force a religion down your throats. Muslims forced Jews and Christians to convert or pay a tax. So much for "no compulsion" in Islam. Your words are lies and your actions speak for themselves. Islam is a religion of hate and suppression. And the proof is in the news every day, day after day.
ghostframer 1 month ago
@ghostframer surprise. the Muslims were the only conquerers in the WORLD that were WELCOMED.
and the Arab Christians still exist till today . and jews lived with Muslims too while they were buthered in Europe.
and our action YES SPEAKS VOLUMES. you have ZERO nothing .. nothing day fter day but LIES and decieveing
come and live between Muslims THEN Judge for yourself and stop looking at the liar media who hate Muslims.
Muslims forced pay tax really ? who DOESN'T pay taxes ?
snaforfun 1 month ago
@snaforfun Tell you what: learn to spell and write, learn some history and then we can talk.
Your example of comparing taxes to jizya is hilarious (and pathetic). We pay taxes for services, but you Muslims want us to pay taxes because we aren't Muslims. You can stuff your jizya and your Muslim lies up your ass. Islam is bullshit. Mohammed was a despotic, genocidal pervert. Take your ass and your religion back to the dark ages and out of the western world.
ghostframer 1 month ago
@ghostframer actually, the Jizya was nothing compared to taxes. and it wnt into the treasury not people pocket.
the Jizya is a form of TAX. you pay it as a non Muslim Citizen. Muslims pay Zakat.
and btw, for yuor information
Women didnt pay, unature kids didnt pay , the POOR didnt pay (and actually got alownece from the Muslim treasury) . and in case the Muslims failed to protect them , they had the right to collect the jizya back. and it Happened once.
you go learn not me
snaforfun 1 month ago
@snaforfun I guess the proof of how wonderful the Muslim world is must be the poverty, violence, honour killings, suicide bombings and stoning of women. You can keep your lies and your religion. We don't want it and we won't accept it.
ghostframer 1 month ago
@ghostframer CONT2.
you are the hilarious. coz you spit lies. while I talk facts anyone can see if he just google fom the sources not lieing sites without sources
and btw. JESUS gave you order to pay tribute to the PAGAN Emperror
"give whats for Jesus to Jesus and whats for GOD to GOD"
that was about the Tribute..
u dont say this is jizya you bastards and cry about it
and what you said about the prophet you animal you will pay soon good willing
you SATAN
snaforfun 1 month ago
@snaforfun Typical Muslim. Say anything I don't like and you will suffer. That's how you assholes handle anything.
This is not the middle ages you moron. Western society has moved on from your genocidal, women-hating life. You can keep it in your Muslim countries and kill each other over your false god. We don't care about you or your lies.
ghostframer 1 month ago
@ghostframer a liar and hypocrite.
and your women are becoming muslims.. sure we are women haters..
I dont care if you dont accpet ISlam
actually good riddance. we dont want liars among us.
snaforfun 3 weeks ago
@snaforfun Hooray, I don't have to become a Muslim thanks to snaforfun. Best news I've had all week.
ghostframer 3 weeks ago
@ghostframer good riddance
snaforfun 1 week ago
So basically, according to Dr Mohamad a child does not obtain human rights until he/she is 18?
Komnenit 1 month ago 2
I feel sorry for children that have to grow up in religious families.
ununununununun37 1 month ago
@ununununununun37 I grew up in one, and it was horrible. Thankfully I am an adult now and I left Islam. My life got so much better after leaving Islam, and I am so happy I was born in America as opposed to being born in some idiot Muslim country where I would literally be stuck.
TuneUpTwoYou 1 month ago
And before you think of replying to me from your googled, vague translations of altered Qu'ranic text, go read a couple dozen trusted books written by real muslims on the matter, not some twisted, out of context, islam-bashing, athiest written website.
UNJUST VOILENCE OF ANY SORT IS FORBIDDEN IN ISLAM EXCEPT IN SELF DEFENSE, PERIOD.
Oh yeah i forgot to mention that there is a sole death penalty for murdering someone. Even in this case, if the family forgive the killer he's to be spared.
CVLFMG 1 month ago
The qu'ran never mentioned apostacy. But the fact that it does, and specifies no such harsh punishment for it, yet specifies punishments for sins with weaker punishments, indicates and undoubtedly suggests that had there been a punishment for apostacy, the Qu'ran would have definitely covered it considering the weight of the supposed punishment. Please educate yourselves and not just blindly listen to arguments between people who you think 'are much smarter than you'. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH
CVLFMG 1 month ago
@CVLFMG Quran does have punishment for apostasy...its death!Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"
allahlovesmycock3 1 month ago
@allahlovesmycock3 How utterly ridiculous. READ THE NEXT VERSE YOU IGNORAMUS
(4:90) - Except those who join a group between you and whom there is a (peace-) treaty or those who approach you with their hearts restraining them from fighting you or fighting their own people. Had God willed he would have given them power over you and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you and do not fight you but give you (guarantees of) peace, then God has opened no way for you against them
CVLFMG 1 month ago
@CVLFMG thats the question..why would your god separate ppl...why would god make a division? why us among them? answer me!..this shows islam is not from God ...but from Satan!..
allahlovesmycock3 1 month ago
@allahlovesmycock3 This verse 4:89 is referring to a battle which took place 1400yrs ago. It was between the Muslims and people of Mecca who had come to fight the Muslims so they were defending themselves. Muslims in Mecca had been abused, totured and killed so they left Mecca and went to Madina but sometime after the Meccans raised an army to attack the Muslims in Madina. This is when the Allah gave the order for the Muslims to fight back !! Read the other verses and you will see.
JudgeD007 1 month ago
@JudgeD007 who told u meccans were abusing muslims? show me proof?! on the contrary it was pedophile child rapist muhammad was constantly attacking and ridiculing the meccans...and finally when meccans were fed up..muhammad the coward cock sucking pedophile had to leave mecca to medina..Meccan's patient has limits to u know!
allahlovesmycock3 1 month ago
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@allahlovesmycock3 CHRISTIAN APOSTASY LAW:
"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods, do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."
Deuteronomy 13: 6-9
JudgeD007 1 month ago
The Qu'ran addresses much lesser punishments for much greater sins, there is no sin that is punished by death in Islam except for making war on Islam (i.e. killing muslims) and it is with certainty that the Qu'ran would not have left an issue of such great importance (supposedly punished by death penalty) to be covered by the hadith especially when apostacy has been mentioned multiple times, yet no 'death' was specified. You could raise the argument that it was a teaching of the prophet if
CVLFMG 1 month ago
Both Richard Dawkins and this 'islamic' teacher do not know what they are talking about, the qu'ran has never ever stated that death is the penalty for apostacy. This was a practise added much later. The 'hadith' that this apparently came from directly contradicts the teachings of the Qu'ran, where it demands that if someone leaves the religion to live in peace, they are to be left alone. If they leave the religion to make war on Islam, they are to be killed in military warfare conditions alone.
CVLFMG 1 month ago
Lol funny, because according to the Quran it actually does not state that you kill someone for leaving their faith. So really, like most atheists Richard Dawkins does not actually use his argument from the Quran itself. Instead he finds stuff other people have brought up and use that same argument. And like the person in the beginning who didn't know how to answer Dawkins there are many other idiots like him. Learn a religion from it's source people.
LGandBLOODS 1 month ago
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@LGandBLOODS yes it does...Quran says kill apostates! Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"
allahlovesmycock3 1 month ago
The woman after 1:30 wouldn't even be given a platform to speak in any country under the theocracy of Islam.
Islam is bloody awful and is in dire need of a reformation. lol
UnitedKingdomify 1 month ago
LOL @ the difference between muslim countries and Great britain at the last part, so what is this fellow trying to say ? the two countries worship two different gods ? Doesn't the "law" apply to all muslims across the world?
decemberbenjamin 1 month ago
@decemberbenjamin good comment mate...the muslim asshole is just bidding his time.....they are trying to make Britain Islamic nation!...
allahlovesmycock3 1 month ago
Slowly, but surely, mankind will drag itself out of the sewer, and breath the clear air of reason.
craigpsimpson 1 month ago
@peenfluteking I'm sure you'd feel terrible if you killed someone. However like David Hume said, you can't get an 'ought' from an 'is'. so feeling terrible doesn't mean you ought to feel terrible. It's simply a statment of fact. For example, people yawn when tired, but that doesn't mean they 'ought' to yawn. So saying we evolved to be this way "we are the way we are" doesn't tell us how we ought to be. If we'd evolved to be violent & selfish, it woldn't follow we'd ought to be so.
Anglican08 2 months ago
stop discussing people's behaviors....discuss books..God didn't tell us to force anyone to believe in him..OMG !!!
timaleb 2 months ago
Nothing says "freedom" like the death penalty for apostasy!
Reptiliia 2 months ago 2
6:03 maybe they should teach her more about how to speak English than mumble thousand year old Arabic gibberish.
funrizwan 2 months ago
@funrizwan If she doesn't go to an English school, I see no point in teaching her english.
danerogil 2 months ago
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If Muslims just want to pick and choose from their scripture till it suits their own personal morality, they might as well be secularist they're just cherry picking certain ideas from a holy book to approve their empirical derived morals, ignoring scripture that conflicts with their outlook.The scripture still teaches you deserve to die for leaving Islam, where you live and if youre killed for it is besides the point. If youre raised thinking you deserve death for this choice, its not a choice.
nerdwonder 2 months ago
Richard Dawkins is an absolute God!
lol
!! Oh, the Irony !!
MaxMisterC 2 months ago 4
He fails to see the connection?!!! How can anyone not fail to see the connection?
sunaru1 2 months ago
Aposti-fa-cy.....ap-ap-apostrophe is dealt... with the death penalty.
:|
Syndicat3 2 months ago
So if I understand, children can freely leave islam when they are old enough but only if they're willing to die?
chinesemonk 2 months ago
You cannot think as objectively if you are born into a religion rather than atheist.
Religious people seem lack the ability to reason. No wonder they believe the complete bullshit religion offers.
dknightish 3 months ago
Dr Mohamad, you are being evasive on purpose because you have no leg to stand on. If the death penalty is applied to apostasy then of course it's unfair to indoctrinate a child from birth because if he wants out later on, he faces death. That's all Dawkins was trying to get at you thick piece of crap. And to that moronic female student, people of faith of course convert to other religions later in life, but the odds are lower because you start with an intrinsic bias.
dknightish 3 months ago 45
@dknightish A closeted ex-muslim agrees with you completely.
He was so evasive to the question for so long, until Dawkins got it out of him.Awesome!!
psynumb 1 week ago
Deuteronomy 13:6-10 New International Version (NIV) penalty for apostacy in bible for Mr Dawkiwns
nabeelh 3 months ago
we hate israel because israelis invaded palestine with the help of the americans and britons. They are nothing different than the kingdom of jarusalem after the crusades which lasted for 100 years. And the israel's end will be like the kingdom of jarusalem. jews controlled palestine with fraud,terror and deception so every means is justified to get it back.
i do not mind jews control the world as long as they go away from the muslim lands. live happily with your crook jewish bankers in the usa
traderseneca 3 months ago
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Islam is a religious Monster!! It’s Creating Hell On Earth… let’s aim on creating Heaven on Earth filled with Love, Peace, Mercy, Forgiveness and Happiness.
deanhaslanded 3 months ago
People you need to realise Islam religion require from muslims to lie and do anything in order to defeat there enemies ( non believers, christians...etc)
So don't fall on tricks if they try to convince you that is religion of piece they don't have any problem what so ever to lie in your face.
Treat them as robots who wont listen to you, never go in argument with them, they are highly ignorant of what you say, they don't want to listen to you. Just avoid them and don't let them impose anything.
mattew2221 3 months ago
@mattew2221 to lie is forbidden in islam. i wonder how you reached this conclusion. there is 'war is deceit' in islam but this is in the war times only.
if sharia is barbaric, they the american constitution is more barbaric than the sharia. there is death penalty in some american states too.
traderseneca 3 months ago
@traderseneca
I am not to compare which killing is worse, killing is killing, and I don't approve that, If people would figure out system for raising good children with good morals, there wouldn't be need to worry about crimes and immorality.
Problem with Islam is they try to correct behavior with violence, I think there are much more reasonable ways to correct peoples behavior than stone them, and killing -(well than no need for that)
verses where they teach to lie 16:106-2:225-49:857-3:54..etc
mattew2221 3 months ago
@mattew2221 i checked all of the verses you gave here. 49:857 does not exists and the other verses has nothing to do with teaching lies. i wonder whether you read the translation made by a zionist or not but in the original it is not so. of course punishment is the last resort for correcting the behaviour. but you need to punish somehow to stop the spreading of adultry and theft otherwise our society will also be like the west, full of pornography . By the way this is what the old tastemant says
traderseneca 3 months ago
@traderseneca
Stop zionist bullshit, you hate Isreal cause they don't wont let your bullshit occupyting in. I think you are one who is spreading propaganda about Zionist and Isreal, does any normal people thing such small nation can control world.
Its delusion is just war between religions and for land
mattew2221 3 months ago
@traderseneca
And lying in war times only is equal to == all times, cause war times are all time for muslim world with west and even now.
mattew2221 3 months ago
@countroshculla knowing and believing is 2 diff thing. If we didnt have any guidlines it will cause many awkward rules on this world. Just look in usa it self, so many awkward rules there.
mejik 3 months ago
@mejik
Islam is an evil religion started by a child rapist named mohammad. And the koran is just a huge pile of science mistakes.
robocong7420 3 months ago
@blasthood in real life our goverment also 'pointing guns' to our head to do things. In school we learn from teachers as guidance. And all of it didnt come naturally. Look in the womb process stated in that book for 1400 years ago. But we never learned from it. And suddenly when our technology grows it shows the exact same thing. And ppl start call it coincidence. Or natural selection.
mejik 3 months ago
Secularism- 1
taqiyya - O
DarkprinX2500 3 months ago
'I fail to see the connection'.. other than that the majority of British Muslims want to see Sharia law introduced in this country. What a disingenuous little man.
terrabun 3 months ago
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Islam is really disrespectful and aggressive. They believe that if you are not with them you are against them.
chickenshieee 3 months ago
I'd rather be good & moral because I know it's right and not because some book told me to and scared me with the boogey man. You can be good with god but it's because you are scared. Being good just because you are scared of the consequences means that you might not do the same actions if you didn't have fear.
countroshculla 3 months ago 45
@countroshculla how do you know which one is right which one is wrong when you didnt have any guidance? If you can be good JUST because you know it's right, then why should law & punishment exist in this world?
mejik 3 months ago
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@mejik how do you know which one is right which one is wrong when you didnt have any guidance? - You need guidance, good examples and common sense. You don't a fairy or a ghost in the sky for that.
Law & punishment should exist to correct the wrong doings and because some people just don't care what they do. And hey most of the biggest criminal in the world, believed in a god in some form or the other.
countroshculla 3 months ago
@mejik If you're a sheep who cannot think for itself, then you need guidance to tell you how to live, but if you can think you can make your things by your own. But then tell me this, what is more genuine, doing the "correct" thing because someone is pointing a gun on your head and telling you to do it, or because you want to do it yourself spontaneously?
Blasthood 3 months ago
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@countroshculla So according to you, anyone who believes in any religion is scared?
eiffel0108 3 months ago
In an 'Islamic' country you either follow religion or its death! That doesnt leave much in the way of free will
I am Atheist and proud of it, I like Richard Dawkins can take from religion what i can from being an everyday human being with good morals, common decency and manners etc... I no longer need religion and the other teachings the scriptures give you to live a life close to that of someone who is religious
If you are religious thats fine just respect those who choose not to be
voiceofreason2008 3 months ago
@voiceofreason2008 I have a question, what is the proper punishment for treason to ones country?
ashraf48 3 months ago
@ashraf48 Extract from wikipedia regarding UK Law in respect of treason which is verified
The penalty for treason was changed from death to a maximum of imprisonment for life in 1998 under the Crime And Disorder Act before 1998, the death penalty was mandatory, subject to the royal prerogative of mercy
That applies in the UK other countries who still have the death penalty would have the traitor killed
But not following religion because your ordered to in my eyes isn't treason
voiceofreason2008 3 months ago
@ashraf48 How can a religion FORCE its members to participate like mindless drones and if they dare to challenge it then its considered treason and the death penalty will be given
Religion should be about choice not fear i think if i were brought up in a muslim faith i would have still gone atheist even with a death penalty looming over my head you may think i wouldnt but i have found that i can lead a moral life with out religion and i believe i would have done the same with islam
voiceofreason2008 3 months ago
Even as late as 1941 Hitler told one of his generals: “I am now, as before, a Catholic and will always remain so.”
Rayman77792 3 months ago
It is a common myth that Hitler was not a Christian. In fact, he always made it clear that he was a Roman Catholic. In Mein Kampf Hitler wrote “by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord”. Once he gained power he got the support of both the Protestant and Catholic churches. The anti-semitism on which the Nazi movement was built was fostered by the main churches. It was this support which made Nazism so acceptable to “respectable” people.
Rayman77792 3 months ago
@Rayman77792 Your entire paragraph perfectly sums up your incompetence. You just described how propaganda works. He claimed to be a Christian JUST SO HE COULD GET SUPPORT. ANyone that read his personal biographies, automatically knows Hitler absolutely despised Christianity. Man, athiests, deluding themselves since 30 A.D
gloinstrong 3 months ago
@gloinstrong "We feel offended on account of this questioning of our loyalty to the state. Catholic men, we will now pray together a paternoster for the life of the Führer." ("Katholische Männer, wir beten jetzt zusammen ein Vaterunser für das Leben des Führers.") -- Cardinal Michael Faulhaber, June 7, 1936.
Rayman77792 3 months ago
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@gloinstrong "The anti-Semitism of the new movement (Christian Social movement) was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3
Rayman77792 3 months ago
@gloinstrong "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter"
-Theist, deluding themselves since Zeus.
Rayman77792 3 months ago
@gloinstrong Let's have some quotes straight from Mein Kampf, his autobiography and book of political philosophies.
"The Anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge" - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf.
"For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will" - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf.
Mondaysan 3 months ago
@gloinstrong Or how about some more quotes? You know, evidence (of which you have none):
"We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight AGAINST the atheistic movement and that not merely theoretical declarations: We have stamped it out." - Hitler, Berlin on 24th Oct 1933.
"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord's work." - 1938, Reichstag speech.
Mondaysan 3 months ago
@gloinstrong Or how about this one:
"Christ was the greatest early fighter in the battle against the world enemy, the Jews... The work that Christ started but could not finish, I - Adolf Hitler - will conclude."
So, have you read any of this? Or are you the deluded one, blindly speaking what your fellow religious people have told you without evidence to back it up?
Mondaysan 3 months ago
@Mondaysan Are you mentally ill? Does logic fly over you? I just told you that ALL of his personal work/biographies/journals despise Christianity as a cancer. All of his public works/speeches WERE TO GET THE VOTES OF THE CATHOLICS IN GERMANY. Nah, forget it, your too much of an idiot to understand.
gloinstrong 3 months ago
@gloinstrong If a Duck says he's a Duck, acts like a Duck and gives no evidence to suggest he's not a Duck, is he a Duck? And if say, a religious person suddenly claims he's not a Duck because this makes their religion look better, does this mean he is not a Duck?
Mondaysan 3 months ago
@tacky0n I wouldn't say it's "based on pedophilia" but I agree that it has some pretty harsh laws. I'm interested in that story you mentioned. Can you provide me with a source?
SaudiPseudonym 3 months ago
Every time I here a muslim I just think backward savage
johnchj 3 months ago
In the past Vatican did evil things too. But I personally never related it with Bible. A wrong deed of a religious leader can never be a subject to blame a religion. At that point you criticize Vatican, not Christianity.
Koran never mentions a death penalty but later on some thinkers come up with the idea of death penalty which is clearly not Islam.
What you are saying almost is the black propaganda of US neocons. I don't say Islam needs no critic. I said before we need revision for Islam.
mrnolan91 3 months ago
@mrnolan91 How can you revise Islam? Go back to Muhammad? Be more Like Muhammad? He was a pedophile, and war mongerer. At least the CHristians can go back to Jesus CHrist.
gloinstrong 3 months ago
@gloinstrong The "CHristians" can also go back to thousands of years of war, torture, burning people at the stake and women for being "witches", countless times of "Pedophilia" "war Mongering". You have nothing to be proud about either.
xxJackeeboixx 3 months ago
@xxJackeeboixx Thousands of years of war? Countless times of Pedophilia? Are you high?
Hows Pol pot, Mussolini, Mao, Stalin, Kim 11-sung, Milosovec, Lukasenko, Hitler? Athiesm at its greatest.
gloinstrong 3 months ago
@gloinstrong They are athiests but they didnt COMMIT those attrocities because they were athiests, hitler didnt kill all the jews because he was an athiest.
Where as your stupid church has waged countless wars BECAUSE of their religion.
Those Athiests you mentioned didnt start their wars for that reason
but im fairly sure the crusades were driven by "almighty gods will"
getting it?
xxJackeeboixx 3 months ago
@xxJackeeboixx Athiesm gave them the JUSTIFICATION to do what they did. As for the "crusades", nowhere is that biblical. Don't even try to point at the Old Testament with the Israelis, GOD told them to kill "specific" people at a "specific" time. The rest of the Bible, 90% is about God's Love/justice/ and grace. The "Just" part is the one Athiests have a terrible time with, because the idea of God punishing "sin" SEEMS SO AWEFUL. Guess what, If your father saw you steal something, would he
gloinstrong 3 months ago
@xxJackeeboixx would he let it slide? If you knew your father let it slide, then you would automatically assume yoru Father was okay with you stealing. God will not, and cannot just let "sin" slide by, it is against his perfect/pure nature.
gloinstrong 3 months ago
@gloinstrong Irrelevent, out of context, and not even slightly understandable. please read the entire conversation i was having again and reread what i said. then you will know i am an athiest and i dont care what "our father" wants nor do i care about christian "sin".
xxJackeeboixx 3 months ago
@xxJackeeboixx Yeah....umm this response was meant for someone else LOL. Disregard the above.
gloinstrong 3 months ago
@gloinstrong :) hehe
xxJackeeboixx 3 months ago
@xxJackeeboixx : It is always reassuring to me to read such sensible and reasonble comments as yours (no sarcasm, I am serious!). Thx!
hoplite669 3 months ago
Just answer the fucking question!!!
"What's the relevance? I fail to see the connection"
Jesus Titty-Fucking Christ
weechi1987 3 months ago
While I don't like Richard Dawkins because of his attacks against Christianity, I do respect him for pointing out the inconsistencies and hypocrisies of religions.
Also, while "honor killings" among Christians is EXTREMELY RARE, it does sometimes happen.
TheDastard 3 months ago
Two wishes,
Please do not relate Arabs' ignorance with Islam.
And please do not comment on Koran by quoting from Bukhari.
What today happening is because of Arabs' ignorance, poverty and wrong interpretations of Islam, such as Sahih al-Bukhari. Islam in its core is very humanistic but still needs revision in a more humanitarian way for 21. century.
mrnolan91 3 months ago
@mrnolan91 Arabs are *real* Muslims. Muhammad PDM was an Arab (Jew). They know about Islam more than *you* or any other with a history of raped or forced to convert from pagans/Christianity/Judaism ancestry. Arabs are not ignorant or wrong because Arabic is their fucking language. They *know* Arabic (old and new) and Quran much much more than the converted Muslims.
Can you stop sprouting Apologist nonsense?
MalliPrave 3 months ago
Bearded nuthead totally got owned by Richard Dawkins. "What's the relevant between Islamic countries and Great Britain????" And he said ' apostrophes'. Rofl!! Joke of the century. Yeah, send the radicals back to their own homeland and they can kill whoever they want. Just don't tarnish the rest of the world.
SexySheerah 3 months ago
I love Bacon!
Pr0pagandaFilms 4 months ago
@Pr0pagandaFilms Me too! :D
SexySheerah 3 months ago
all religions are full of insecure gods, must believe me or die!! there is no god but me,me,meeee!!! reject me and believe some other god, well you guess it . die !!!! if you dont believe in me i wont let you in my club , heaven or paradise instead you can go to my other club, hell. but but if you say you like me before you die even if you have done terrible things you can still come to my nice club.if that was a person saying that to me i would punch him in the mouth and set fire to his clubs
homan2329 4 months ago
Of course women are allowed to walk lonely in the streets. A woman has even been prime minister in Turkey. Search in wiki for Tansu Ciller, Turkey's former prime.
They can attend any school and do any job they wish in legal basis. There is no legal penalty for apostasy. But the problem is todays government is highly conservative unlike the ones before and is somehow threathening to the progress we made. And biggest problem in Turkey is, progress is not welcomed by some conservative people...
mrnolan91 4 months ago
There is death penalty for apostasy only in some very radical Muslim countries like Afghanistan. That penalty is never mentioned in Koran and it's just a material to scare some people for political purposes. Radical muslims well know when they allow people to think freely they won't have one follower left. So death penalty for apostasy is like the Berlin Wall Soviets built to keep people under their control. One day those people'll realize that one doesn't need to be atheist to become modern.
mrnolan91 4 months ago
fucking muslim beardo-wierdo idiot, lost it, and admitted what islam is really about in last few seconds
lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darkmossie633 4 months ago
There is no death penalty for apostasy in Islam. Some stupid scholars have taken a Hadith of the Prophet out of the context of that time and applied it everywhere. There were about 2-3 people who became apostates in the very beginning of Islam. They were not killed. The killing ruling was issued by the Prophet because some Jews use to accept Islam hypocritically and then they use to leave it the next day deliberately. To stop such incidents, the punishment was given. It does not apply now.
astronomer86 4 months ago
I trust in God..and I must say hats off to Dawkins...
thomasgk9 4 months ago
That fucking bearded radical moron talks about respecting human beings. I highly doubt his respect to atheist, agnostic, gay people.
I am a Muslim too. There is no penalty for apostasy in Koran. It's between the person and God. Nobody can interfere, especially punish people for their beliefs. What he says is just political Islam crap.
This is one of few videos where I agree with Dawkins. He is absolutely right here. And no religion can contradict with human rights.
mrnolan91 4 months ago 17
@mrnolan91 'no religion can contradict with human rights'
The Quran does not support women's rights:
Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and beat them. Quran, 4:34
I agree that this is disgusting sexism.
Oldtinear 4 months ago
@Oldtinear Since Bible has been rewrited several times throughout history it was believed to be true to keep Koran untouched. This action kept Koran uncorrupted indeed, but after 1400 years it's now a need to revise it. Except the laws of universe everything changes on earth. Koran was like a revolution in the 8. century and it needs to be adapted into 21. century. Imagine any morality in 700's. Those times atheists were pro-slavery but I am not charging today any atheist for being pro-slavery.
mrnolan91 4 months ago
@mrnolan91 'Koran was like a revolution in the 8. century and it needs to be adapted into 21'
Why not just respectfully consign it to medieval history where it comes from? What do we need it for? Why not live in today's world?
Oldtinear 4 months ago
@Oldtinear Things always change and rarely disappear. You might even wonder some of your secular traditions might originate from old religions. In the history of civilization we always added something to the construct. Religions are a big part of it. Rejecting it would cause confusion, trauma in society. In medieval time Christianity was also very brutal, I'm not even mentioning crusades. But Europe had a nice enlighment time. This is also needed for Middle-East and Islamic world...
mrnolan91 4 months ago
@Oldtinear ...(continuing) I am from Turkey. Turkey had a little enlightment at the beginning of the 20. century. You can easily distinguish Turkey from other Islamic countries. I am not saying we have no problems. But in comparison we are far more advanced than other Islamic countries. Our constitution is %100 secular. State has no official religion. Sharia courts are not legal etc.
mrnolan91 4 months ago
@mrnolan91 Thank you for your description of Turkey - it is good to read info beyond just the newpapers. In Turkey, are women allowed to walk in the streets unaccompanied by a man? Can they attend schools and universities and become professional women such as doctors and lawyers? What is the penalty for apostasy in Turkey (giving up Islam)?
Oldtinear 4 months ago
@Oldtinear ...(continuing) Society is divided into progressive and conservative people. Radical groups of conservative people do not even recognize states law. They do marry 4 women illegally, force women to cover their heads with veil, attack non-muslim people or women who they think she is fornicating. They don't allow their daughters to attend any school. Their daughters usually attend illegal schools or no school at all. These are the problems I mentioned.
mrnolan91 4 months ago
@Oldtinear For not to be confusing, those radicals I have mentioned are powerful in some regions of Turkey. So there are areas where you can drink alcohol in the streets or walk with your girl friend, the developed areas. But there are also the areas which are dominated by radicals where no woman without veil can not enter, of course less in comparison to developed areas. Conditions are a little similar to America's. America is also a secular state but most of republicans do not accept it.
mrnolan91 4 months ago
@mrnolan91 You seem to say that where the Koran is strictly followed by radicals, life is sexist and very difficult for women. But where some enlightenment has taken place, women are allowed an equality which is not strictly allowed by the Koran
I see the solution for modern secular laws to be given precedence over medieval religious texts - i.e. for the enlightenment to continue. Yet you see a place for an updated C21st view of the Koran. Why? Surely this will create yet another warring sect?
Oldtinear 4 months ago
@Oldtinear Problem is beyond following Koran very strictly because some actions of these radicals are never even mentioned in Koran at all. For example the death penalty for apostasy. It can only be explained as intolerance and hatred. Or you could say mind imprisonment. Also the areas of radicals are usually poor areas. Suming up I can say feudalism, poverty, ignorancy, false politics and sometimes as you said the literal following of Koran cause these problems.
mrnolan91 4 months ago
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@mrnolan91 'the death penalty for apostasy (is) never even mentioned in Koran at all'
This is not true. It says it about ten times in the Koran or Hadiths:
But whoever turns back and disbelieves, Allah will punish him with a mighty Punishment, Surely to Us is their turning back, Then surely upon Us is the taking of their account. (Koran 88:26)
Bukhari (52:260) The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.
Oldtinear 4 months ago
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@mrnolan91 'There is no penalty for apostasy in Koran. It's between the person and God. Nobody can interfere'
You sound like a nice person, but you are absolutely mistaken:
But whoever turns back and disbelieves, Allah will punish him with a mighty Punishment, Surely to Us is their turning back, Then surely upon Us is the taking of their account. Koran (88:26)
Many people have been killed based on these words.
Oldtinear 4 months ago
@mrnolan91 Islam does have a death penalty for apostasy just like it has it for many other sins. There is nothing "radical" about that. That's pretty much the norm among Islamic sects.
SaudiPseudonym 4 months ago 25
@SaudiPseudonym 'Islam does have a death penalty for apostasy'
So in Islamic countries, small children are indoctrinated by their religious leaders and parents. Then, in later life, if they try to reject the indoctrination, they are killed.
This is religion by indoctrination and terror. Shame on you.
Oldtinear 3 months ago
@Oldtinear Why on me?!
SaudiPseudonym 3 months ago
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@SaudiPseudonym 'Islam does have a death penalty for apostasy just like it has it for many other sins. There is nothing "radical" about that. That's pretty much the norm among Islamic sects.'
It is not clear where you stand. It is impossible to be neutral about the killing of people for abandoning their religion, and other 'sins' as you call them. Are you for or against such killings?
Oldtinear 3 months ago
@SaudiPseudonym that is the absolute essence of radical.. sharia is barbaric..
~exmuslim
DarkprinX2500 3 months ago
@SaudiPseudonym
I used to be muslim, but then I realized that islam was a lie, a false religion created by a dead arab child rapist named mohammad. So i left islam. What is my punishment?
robocong7420 3 months ago
@robocong7420 According to Islam, you should be killed. That's why I have to use a pseudonym and all kinds of security precautions on the internet :) Your channel looks like a Christian's. Are you, by any chance, a jebus-freak?
SaudiPseudonym 3 months ago
@SaudiPseudonym
i'm an atheist. i used to be a muslim, until i realized that the pig prophet mohammad was just a snake in the grass waiting to strike. so i left islam. where are the brave muslims? i havent been punished yet. are muslims going to let me get away with insulting their snake prophet?
robocong7420 3 months ago
@robocong7420 What are you asking me for?! I'm an ex-Muslim atheist, too! You know you're just trolling, right?
SaudiPseudonym 3 months ago
@SaudiPseudonym
and how did you escape the brainwashing, given that every child in saudi is essentially put into a brainwashing camp from birth and forced to be mezmerized by the koran 12 hours a day
robocong7420 3 months ago
@mrnolan91 Sharia is very clear, the penalty for apostasy is DEATH. To make the excuse that it's merely a political tool is failing to see the plain and clear writing in Sharia law. The reason it's not enforced in Western countries is because they don't up hold Sharia law but if it was up to most Muslims, they would implement it there as well. Thanks to democracy and rational thinkers, we don't subject ourselves to that barbaric ideals.
tonydorsett33 3 months ago
@tonydorsett33 What you today call Sharia has nothing to do with Islam. There is no indication of any kind of penalty on earth for apostasy in Koran. Only God can punish or forgive non-believers according to Koran.
Baqara 256 "There is no compulsion in religion."
I see many people quote from Bukhari to support their point of view. But as you can see there is no verse from Koran indicating a penalty. So what Bukhari says is a wrong interpretation.
mrnolan91 3 months ago
@mrnolan91 I know of a case personally (a close friend lost his brother) where a man left Islam and was killed by the congregation before he was able to flee. The killing was chalked up to apostasy publicly, his home and business burned to the ground. His wife and daughters were able to escape the country and now reside in Australia, his son was pulled from his studies and was executed when he too showed secular views. The Koran I have says clearly that apostasy is punished with death.
DaBluedude100 3 months ago