Contrails only form at very high altitudes (usually above 8 km) where the air is extremely cold (less than -40 degrees C). Other clouds can form at a range of altitudes, from very close to the ground, such as fog, to very high off the ground, such as cirrus clouds. I saw them forming and cover the sky much lower than that in the middle of summer.
Your eyes will tell you everything you need to know. Contrails do not hang around all day and form into clouds. This is fact and is scientifically impossible.
@Crowesfan09 Again, can you back up the statement of fact with any links to support your claim? Simply saying 'use your eyes' isn't good enough. Contrails are a reasonably well understood phenomenon and there are many papers written on them.If you go to pubmed and search for contrails you might be able to find what you are looking for. But I have never seen it - and I've looked. What does "scientifically impossible" mean? Because contrail CAN and DO persist and form clouds sometimes
Not to mention that is has been openly discussed and admitted by our government. There has also been an admitted huge funding by Bill Gates, who talks openly about it.
@Crowesfan09 This would be interesting if true, but I have seen many people make these claims without backing it up. Could you link to either of these things? That would be helpful, since I can't find it
So why do they not occur for weeks at a time, then you see them every where for days. I watched a clear blue sky turn into a hazy over cast day while working out side, I watched over a hundred planes leave chemtrails and watched those trails spread across the sky. This guy is such an idiot
@Crowesfan09 A possible reason that you might not see any for weeks at a time only to see many in one day like you described, is that for those weeks, atmospheric conditions might not have been conducive to contrail formation, and then a change in weather lead to colder or wetter or icier air in the upper atmosphere, which then lead to persistent contrail formation. I am simply seeking the truth, as we all should be...if that makes me an idiot...then I'm an idiot.
Are you really that DENSE???? You act like you are working for whomever is responsible for this! All evidence is debunked? Based on what? You test the surface soils for aluminum, barium,etc??? You dismiss any common-sense reasoning as to WHY there are dozens and dozens of trails in non-commercial flight paths that criss-cross, sometimes very close and this is normal procedure????? You need to wake up dude!
@PatrickLAValleyGuy Did I say all evidence was debunked? I doubt it. What non-commerical paths are you speaking of? Again (I know this sounds like a broken record but I'll keep playing it until it sticks) can you show me any evidence for your claims?
Common sense can fail you sometimes - this is where reason and logic help. :)
Water samples from pools examined at chemlabs and find stuff like Barium and Aluminum and Strontium. look, you are merely too wise for your own good and can't SEE the forest for the trees!
Why do people have the water in their swimming pools examined after a week of Chemtrailing at an independent lab and it comes back with elements that are not found in normal air, water or jet fuel?
@PatrickLAValleyGuy And what evidence is there that these elements can be traced to the chemtrailing planes? Do you really think that particles in the air thousands of feet above you are going to end up on the ground directly below? If you can show a correlation there then I will be happy to examine it and respond, but i don't see how measuring the ground water anywhere tells you about the atmosphere above it.
@JPO1618 UR kidding, right? I mean, when there is a fire or volcanic eruption, you find smoke particles on the ground? Things FALL DOWNWARD..that is Newton. So, when they measure soil and water samples and find aluminum and other metals that are not indigenous to the surrounding area, I would say they came from above. There are several YouTube vids showing this. And when you see the trails AGAIN, START and STOP in mid-flight, that is a deliberate calculated act to discharge something.
@PatrickLAValleyGuy You do not KNOW any of this. Show me the proof...not the YouTube videos. if you seriously think that particles are not going to remain aloft for long periods and be affected by wind, then I don`t know what to say. Just show me actual CORRELATION between these "not indegenous" metals and contrials. It shouldn't be hard seeing as how certian you are of it.
@PatrickLAValleyGuy Meterological conditions governing cloud formation are highly variable, and it is the same for contrails. It isn't unusual to see vapour trails vary as an aircraft acends are decends through different conditions.
Try explaining it to people who are seeing this activity ALL OVER THE WORLD. People who know what Clouds are and what they are not. People who have seen NORMAL jet-vapor trails that disappear within seconds. Now we see a trail that starts and stops at some point, and then lingers for several hours, gradually dispersing into a haze that looks like smog. The HAZE then looks innocent enough because most people never look upwards or think it is "sky-writing". And why do they not spray on windy days?
@PatrickLAValleyGuy Persistent contrails are a well understood phenomenon. NASA has an entire site dedicated to predicting when and where they will form.
Where do you get your definition of "NORMAL jet-vapor trails" from? Are you one of the "People who know what Clouds are and what they are not."? If so, how do you tell the difference?
@JPO1618 Yesterday I was in West LA at a busy farmers market and above me were real clouds..fluffy and white and breaking apart, BUT also the Chemtrailers were out and running long streaks across the sky. I pointed it out to several people. We watched as they spread out..each one exactly like the next. They turned into a haze after an hour or so. Clouds fall apart like pulling cotton candy apart. And Vapor trails can happen on the ground at take-off or high above and disappear rapidly.
@PatrickLAValleyGuy Because you and all of your people are full of shit and will make up whatever nonsense it takes to keep clinging to your wild delusional conspiracies.
And we should expect it. It will reflect the heat or the sun..Either way we are screwed..............We need a revolution against all non commercial flight and make bigger sailboats..And we need to ban Coca cola on can because of all the carbon dioxid..
I have seen these 'contrails' expand for hours and turn the sky milky, chalky white. I've lost count of the blue sky days these 'contrails' have stolen!!! At the very least, they hide the sun and steal our much needed Vitamin D. The trails from planes have changed, and people like you are either living in denial OR deliberately misleading people. Look up, look up, look up. . . see for yourself the CRIME that is going on up there.
@TheStellarGoddess yeah, I said that they changed..I even explained why. Plus I did the research and left you the links to be able to check everything for yourself. And I'm in denial....?
@JPO1618 Your video is lacking for two main reasons: 1) you do not address the fact that these trails 'change' into clouds and turn the sky, mainly in front of the sun white all day - I've seen it on a weekly basis. 2) these 'contrails' (call them what you want) are a problem exclusively in NATO countries. For anyone reading this, please please please watch 'What in the World are they Spraying.'
@TheStellarGoddess I am preparing a video dealing with persistent contrails that '"change' into cclouds and turn the sky."Simply because I do not address certain things about chemtrails does not mean that I am wrong about the rest...does it? Can you provide any evidence that only NATO countries experience "chemtrails"? I would be very interested in that information.
Condensation can NOT remain aloft for hours because the suns radiated heat will melt it. This is third grade science stuff.. Condensation can NOT spread out and over a period of HOURS morph into pseudo-clouds. An old aeronautic adage is "where you see clouds you won't see contrails".... The two require different conditions to exist.. yet suddenly they don't? You see the trails START and STOP! So explain WHY! They JETS turn OFF their engines?? They suddenly DROP in altitude? It is deliberate!
@PatrickLAValleyGuy Explain why? The planes are flying through air that is adequately saturated with water or ice (in which they form a contrail) into a region not sufficiently saturated. They could even fly back into the region and the trail would start up again.
When you say these things "can NOT" happen, on which authority are you speaking? Could you link me to it? Because scientists at places like NASA disagree with you. I will send you the link to contrail forecasts.
@JPO1618 When I see trails that START and STOP in a flight path a jet is on, is possible these planes are shutting of their engines and the restarting them? I see 25 or so trails on a given day and to suggest they are VAPOR trials is ludicrous! Unless they are rapidly descending and rescinding in the air, your theory on vapor trails HOLDS NO WATER(pun intended). Why would these trails LINGER for over up to 12 hours until they are a HAZE? Common sense would say they should of evaporated
Contrails do not come out of the bottom of a plane and go downward first before they become horizontal. Contrails are not hundreds of miles long. Contrails follow established air traffic routes, unlike chemtrails which follow random flight paths in random patterns.
@Turdbuckethat I wasn't looking for 40 or 50, just one source would suffice. My point is that chemtrail proponents often make claims about the way things "should" be or "should" look in ways that are often misinformed and mutually exclusive. When making factual statements one should be able to back up one's idea with evidence.
Is it your claim that chemtails "come out of the bottom of a plane and go downward first before they become horizontal"? Where did this idea come from?
@JPO1618 OK Fine! The reason I can make the statement about "chemtrails coming out of the bottom of a plane first" is because I have seen that happen with my own eyes using binoculars. 2.) Anyone can google a satellite image of trails and see that some of them are a couple of hundred miles long. 3.) Again, looking at the satellite image you can see that they aren't following regular high altitude air traffic routes.
@Turdbuckethat How can you know the direction of exhaust coming from airplanes thousands of feet in the air? I have seen many videos from PLANES claiming chemtrails and they don't appear to be pointed downward-are these people wrong but you are right?
I am guessing that you are not an air traffic controller, or a atmospheric climatologist (but either am I) which would explain your misunderstanding of persistent contrails hundreds of miles long and that planes dont fly single file
@JPO1618 Why is it so hard for you to believe that our government might be doing this? I don't believe it's anything malevolent. Perhaps they are putting some sort of reflective material into the air to help curtail global warming. Who knows. I never said that it was anything evil.
Not all planes are spraying chemicals. But the USAF has a history of spraying chemicals weapons. Ask the vietnamese. Ask Navy and USAF vet pilots. Im not saying every trail is a chemtrail. But the Military has sprayed chemicals on americans and vietnamese.
Here is some proof watch this. watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=1djDlO2RZ1U
planes have flight patterns, there are almost ZERO paths here. I watch all day everyday, and you can SEE and HEAR every flight, Sometimes 1/3 days 20-50 planes will fly at various times, sometimes morning, sometimes afternoon. Yesterday afternoon NOTHING last tue afternoon 27 LINES
You see standard contrails and chem-trails at the same time of the day, difference is that the chemicals don't just come just from the engine but from several places on the wings too.
And they stay for longer and always in a concentrated area.
@maurikid23 I live near the coast and near a major airport (Schiphol) and I see hundreds of flights everyday flying out into the pacific, many of them leaving supposed chemtrails.
What is the logic behind that? why would they chemtrail on a flight path that is 95% oversea?
@maurikid23 so why dont you take your iphone, download the flightracker app, look up the certain flight who is spraying over you, then look up the analytical reactions for the substances they allegedly spray and then sue the airline. would be too easy to get hard evidence for chemtrails, but they simply dont exist, so its not easy^^
I'll GiVe U the HEADZ up EVERYONE it is REal and THERE fOr YoU 2 SEE iN plane SIght.Aerosal spRAY hAs AlUmInUm & BaRiUm chemicals ThAt wIlL MaKe YoU SICK aNd IT WeAkEnS THE iMmUnE SYSTEM p+l+u+s+ tHeY block ThE sUN wHiCh ALSO weakens ThE ImMuNE system.this video is not at all TRUTH if you think it debunks this video is TRUTH if you think it explains an increase in trails over a span of 2 decades time.But fact remains con-trails last seconds or minutes compared to the 30m-2hr aerosol chemtrail
Are you aware that the US government uses a program called HAARP to try to control the weather? Other governments around the world are believed to have similar programs. If the government will use radio and microwave frequencies to try to control the weather, why wouldn't they try to affect the weather by means of chemtrails?
@jamesandchante And what evidence do you have that the HAARP facility is used to control weather? I have referenced the HARRP patent in this comment section. Who is it who "believes" that other governments have similar programs? Where are they located?
Just because something might be possible doesn't mean it is necessarily occurring.
@JPO1618 You're right, just because something is possible, doesn't mean it is so. But, if you do enough research you will see that I'm right. Google HAARP. Go to the website Live Science. Watch PBS, Discovery Channel, the History channel. Go to the library and rent documentaries and get books. I have no reason to lie to you.
Why does the US government admit to putting certain chemicals, particles or metal, and particles of plastic into the ionosphere in order to prevent other countries from catching our airplanes on their radar? Why are there news reports about various local governments around the world spraying similar chemtrails from trucks and motorcycles? Why would these things I mentioned be true, but airplanes creating chemtrails untrue?
@jamesandchante Can you show me links to where these true things are said?Then I can check them out and give you a fair answer.
Let's just say that your trucks and motorcycles theory is true - why wouldn't North American governments be using the same approach? It seems much simpler (if you were wanting to, say, poison people) to put that poison close to the ground.
@JPO1618 I'll try to find links and give them to you when I have more time. I am not saying they are doing these things to necessarily poison us (maybe that is their goal, maybe it isn't). Yet, for whatever reason, they are spraying chemicals in the sky and on the ground. North America is spraying the ground too. I didn't want to believe any of this, but it is true. Can you prove what I'm saying is not true?
@jamesandchante It is not up to me to prove what you say is UNtrue, the burden lies the other way; that is, one should be able to back up their own comments.
I have done research on this, and I believe you are wrong. If planes aren't releasing chemicals in the sky, why are there constantly planes aimlessly going around in circles, and making crisscross patterns in the sky? Why are weather men saying that there are manmade clouds in the sky that are denser than normal clouds?
@jamesandchante The circles are called holding patterns and the crisscross results from planes flying North-South AND East-West. Any non-parallel lines will meet and cross eventually.
@JPO1618 Yes, you're right about this. But, why don't these airplane seem to have a destination. If a plan is traveling to another city, state, country, or continent, why are people like me seeing airplanes going back and forth, and in circles? These airplanes should be going in one direction in a relatively long time to reach their destinations. We should not be able to sit still in one place, and see then going back and forth and in circles, should we?
@jamesandchante Do you live near a major airport? If you do, then you would expect this. I don't live near a major airport, so the contrails that I see are primarily straight traveling often in 2-3 distinct directions (the directions of the major airports)
Chemtrails do exist, bro. Don't believe the lies! They've been PROVEN to contain high amounts of this strange CHEMICAL H2O which is responsible for hundreds of people drowning every year. The government is trying to drown us to keep the population down, man! I wish I could show you a picture of this bong, cuz it is AWESOOOME!
I was quite impressed that in your description you say " I hope any "chemtrailers" will follow some of the links below to research this for themselves, and not take my word for it." The only problem is a person usually has formed a theory or beginning of an opinion even before beginning any type of research themselves. Oftentimes people stop and focus on data that will support their theory without researching further. Having said that, I appreciate the logic in this video. Thank you!
@jamesandchante You think wrong. It's human nature to form opinions and quickly. Notice I didn't say "everyone but myself usually has formed an opinion". I look at things, including the chemtrail issue, as possibility vs. probability, but we are all guilty of having formed some sort of slanted opinion on a variety of topics, including you, including myself. I am a very open-minded person, so the opinion you formed of me based on one post I made, is inaccurate.
@AleeshaWeesha Actually, I originally thought chemtrails were extremely unlikely to be true. However, since I am open-minded, I looked information from both non-believers (who I thought were probably right) and believers. I discovered that my initial ideas were incorrect; and there is more evidence that proves the likelihood of chemtrails than to disprove it. Changing my initial opinion regarding chemtrails when I got more facts shows logic on my part.
@AleeshaWeesha You said: "Oftentimes people stop and focus on data that will support their theory without researching further. Having said that, I appreciate the logic in this video." Well, the US government has admitted to spraying the sky with chemicals, plastic, and metal. By claiming this video is logical, when it claims chemtrails can be proven a hoax based off of a video of one airplane, shows you haven't researched the issue. You're doing the very thing you accuse others of doing.
@jamesandchante I feel people should do research and gather information before forming an opinion. I also feel that they should look at both sides of the debate. What you call close-mindedness is in actuality logic, sir.
@dejavuga 'propanganda' is not necessarily wrong. propaganda for truth perhaps. do you have inaccuracies that you can point out or is it simply that this video goes against your belief system?
what do you think needs to be said about "chembows" - whatever they are - or uv and solar penetration.
You examine quite well the cause of contrails in re comparing aircrafts of differing eras, however, you're explaination of the length of contrails is noticeably lacking. You argue several atmospheric conditions affect the manifistation of contrails, and yet offer no explaination on why these contrails are not effected by atmospheric conditions over their entire length, which maybe 20 miles or longer. Conditions are right for several aircrafts contrails throuout time to remain 20 miles long?
@jamesandchante Yes, thank you. He cannot answer this question because he and I both know he can't explain it using his explainations... drivel. After the contrail forms, a new thingy comes into play, i.e. common sence. Ergo, JPO1618 IS fail.
@KEWLIDO I didn't know I NEEDED to respond to you since the answer seems obvious from my description: this video was 5 min maximum and so I CLEARLY don't cover everything that their is to cover.
You: "why these contrails are not effected by atmospheric conditions over their entire length" - well they clearly ARE affected over their entire length, just not in the same way since the atmosphere can change dramatically over metres, let alone 20 miles, or they can be relatively constant.
@JPO1618 Of course you do need to respond. Blaming (yourself) for the thinking span of a Gnat for a five minute video, is however acceptable and hilarious at the same time. ;)
Ahem, and Amen. Now you claim the manifested contrails are subject to... Again you fail to support your words with facts. What causes contrails to be different wrt each other?
@KEWLIDO Read the description. See the links in it? I have linked my info. You are rude and I feel no desire to converse with you. I only give respect when I get it.
I look at belief as a door opener, for instance if disaster struck and everyone believed in the false information being represented but I believed that something was a foot and I went out and sought the truth of what happened so belief to me doesn't constitute truth but it can open the path to it is all I'm trying to say, open your mind to believe in the possibilities as the world has many and we can't know all of them. ;D
Very well researched, and it is unfortunate that despite the lack of scientific support on the existence of chemtrails, some conspiracy theorists will take their fervent belief with them to their graves. They remind me of religious fanatics. Keep up the great work. =)
@disclosurenow9 Very little actual evidence has been presented in this forum, and what evidence there is here does not fall in support of some multi-national conspiracy.
Out of interest, and because I like to feel I am fair to all ideas, what do you think is the BEST evidence in support of the chemtrail theory?
@SigR1988 That is not just any plane - that is a military refueling aircraft. If this were the source of the supposed chemtrails then there would need to be more than 62 of them in the world. This plane appears to be dumping fuel - not sure why - they do that from time to time. Regular aircraft are not equipped to produce trails like what is shown in the video. Evidence of ONE plane doing something is far from evidence of THOUSANDS around the world doing it.
@disclosurenow9 I agree with the uploader - The uploader has researched and found more conclusive information that are against the existance of widespread chemtrails, than any evidence I have seen *for* it.
I think it is completely possible for chemtrails to be used widely in the near future. But we would see much more secrecy in the fuelling and building of aircraft and their engines, if chemtrails were to be kept secret.
@disclosurenow9 Ha! it's nice to see someone whom sees things the way I do about a "belief" system.The atmosphere is changing, though it does seem to go with "climate changes" I've been watching the skies for since I can remember. Besides, if these "trails" were chemicals, by the time it eventually came to earth it would have missed the "drop site" by hundreds of miles!
Believers will believe in anything.. but only because they can!
@DumpYourTelevision The chemtrails will disperse and envelope the sky, I think that's the main purpose of the trails, not where it drops. But when it envelops the whole sky from horizon to horizon then you better expect that crap coming down to you.
I have had numerous occasions of this happening on my little Island called Iceland so they are not sparing none where they are allowed to do this not even a nation of 300.000 people.
Jonny the little boy whos mother says "jonny dont tutch the kettle, its hot and you will get burnt" this is a KNOWN fact, however poor Jonny has not experienced this vatal lesson, so he has to believe her, yet the KNOWING gets the better of him and he has to tutch the kettle, THEN and only then will he realise he does not have to believe for he now knows. The fact that the bible exists is not enough to prove that jesus did exist, or even "chemtrails" exist
@DumpYourTelevision Jonny buys a gun, mother say don't point it at your face it might kill you, but since jonny doesn't know it kills him the knowing gets the better of him and he shoots himself in the face. I think we sometimes need to believe in the facts because otherwise experiencing them will be our downfall, at least I trust people who tell me to not eat cyanide I totally believe them as we have documentation that show that people have died and I believe them to be true
there is stupid, and stupid. Believe what you will, or believe nothing until you know for sure, without being stupid. I know where you are coming from, as I have been there myself, however, opening your mind to the understanding of the meaning of "belief" will set you aside, and let you move to another perspective.
It takes time and experience to let you take off the shackles that bind us to beliefs and open your mind to a new way of looking at things that contradict our reality.
@DumpYourTelevision So I can't know that cyanide kills people to be true until I have believed in the facts that are laid our before me, at least this is how I see it and experience as knowing and belief and to me both very important for humans.
Wouldn't you ever want to have belief in your loved ones ? What kind of a father would I be in the future if I would never believe that my child can do what he puts his mind into ? Probably not a good one I think.
@DumpYourTelevision Trapped by my mind ah... no longer my friend it has passed I was trapped by thoughts emotions and feelings, I believed that I'm the thoughts I observe, the feelings I observe, the body I observe but from observation it seems I'm the one observing. ;)
We'll just have to agree to disagree because I don't feel trapped in my belief of knowledge it has served me greatly over my years.
What I am trying to say is: You have not yet experienced the experience that will set you free to my undersatnding, the moment until you experience "your experience" you will never get what I am trying to say. No matter what I say! I have "burnt myself" with a new perspective, just like the uploader has, hence his angle of things. until you see it for yourself you will be trapped by your own mind.
@mikewahby You clearly have the patent - you quoted it yourself. Why not READ IT!? Nowhere does it say anything about radio waves MAKING artificial particles. If you had read the NEXT LINE after the one you quoted you would know: "3. The method of claim 2 wherein said artificial particles are provided by injecting same into said at least one region from an orbiting satellite." Doesn't sound like any chemtrails I am familiar with.
We're not your mommy and daddy. Read for yourself.
@mikewahby The AIM mirror is made up of a section of atmosphere above the HAARP facility created by HAARP in order to receive out-of-line-of-sight communication. The patent says all of this. JUST READ IT!
@JPO1618 It has also been proposed to release large clouds of barium in the magnetosphere so that photoionization will increase the cold plasma density, thereby producing electron precipitation through enhanced whistler-mode interactions.
you asked for links, they are in comments below but someone reported as spam, why bother you'd delete the links anyways, no matter how much proof i show you , you would not believe, just by reading your posts you are a shill, it's your post, i'm done here, you are well disliked :)
@sumstuff46 Maybe YOU go and deleted posts that don't agree with you, but I don't.
What proof have you shown and for what?
Also, I must be the worst paid shill in the business. You would love everything to be a conspiracy and for everyone who disagrees with you to be working for "the man". But that is simply not the case. I am just a person looking for THE TRUTH - just like you. I just have a different requirement for what I consider to be truth.
why don't you put THE GOVERMENT DOC ADMITTING THEY SPRAY WITH CHEMICALS on your top link, because the GOV ADMITTED THEY ARE CHEMTRAILING this VIDEO IS REDUNDANT NO GOOD ANYMORE, OUTDATED, get a BRAIN
I DISLIKED THIS it's TOTAL BULLSHIT, you know NOTHING about reality, and you stopped halfway through, you failed on so many levels, STOP READING ILLUMINATI BOOKS IDIOT you have been fooled for many years by illuminati, your not helping the problem YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, FUCKING SHILL
debunked, like fuck, are you fucking kidding, WE ARE IMAGINING CHEMTRAILS and the dying plants and animals, your SCIENCE?? is fucking wrong asshole, what planet are you from anyways, ON EARTH THESE ARE CALLED CHEMTRAILS and sprayed by ORBS, forget planes, you are way off on your ridiculous claims, the voice talking sound very scientific WOW yer smart, FOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL
@sumstuff46 Sprayed by orbs! That's a new one. Do you have any evidence to offer for this? What about this supposed government document...could you provide a link to this? Then I could check it out for myself, just like you can do with all of the information that I provided in this video.
@dalek14mc Well, in that case he should delete the words "Chemtrails DEBUNKED" because this video does not debunk the fact of geo-engineering aka chemtrails. And have some respect, troll. Going around calling people you dont know a moron just shows how childish you are.
@1madaboutguitar And that is why there is a sub-title: "They didn't look that way..."
I have provided links to my sources of information; would you like to provide some info for you proposition that chemtrails are intentionally being used for "geo-engineering"?
@1madaboutguitar-LOL, this video debunks it very well. One thing I've noticed amongst conspiracy theorists is that they completely ignore all explanations that debunk their bullshit.
@dalek14mc if you think this video debunks it, you are a complete idiot and you haven't looked at any of the evidence. You are just running off belief systems. Like heavily religious people, you wont face reality and would rather maintain the illusion of a fake text book world, just so you can be 'right', then face what is clearly in front of you. Theres no hope for people like you, on a survival level your fucked, but thats your problem.
@1madaboutguitar-This video debunks a large portion of the conspiracy, which is the "They didn't look like that when I was a kid" argument, which is something that Chemtards rely on so much. So yes, it DOES debunk the conspiracy.
@dalek Why do you keep using the term "Conspiracy" and "Conspiracy theorist"? Im talking about a phenomenal that has been scientifically proven. Barium/Aluminium/Strontium/ Sulphur, have all been found in very high levels in rainwater samples taken in areas of this visible spraying. Even in areas least polluted like Hawaii, the results are the same. Coupled with the fact they ADMIT they are conducting Geoengineering experiments, have several hundred patents, NASA admits the same intentions.
@dalek14mc Me. Lost credibility? Ha Ha Ha. As if supposed to take seriously anyone who can watch a clear blue sky, on a day with normal air traffic, then suddenly see 15/20 non commercial planes flying back and forth, back and forth, pumping out huge plumes of white smoke, in perfect geometric patterns, and think its all perfectly normal. Mwahahahahaha go back to sleep, fool.
@1madaboutguitar What are these "15/20 non commercial planes flying back and forth"? I have never seen this. Do you have video? And why, in god's name, would "perfect geometric patterns" have anything to do with anything?
@1madaboutguitar "Barium/Aluminium/Strontium/ Sulphur, have all been found in very high levels in rainwater samples taken in areas of this visible spraying" and what exactly does that prove? You are saying that it can be shown that these samples come directly from chemtrails - how? How do we know that the precipitation didn't form at a lower altitude than the chemtrail?
@dalek14mc cont... Not only do they admit weather experiments and the intention to expand them, the elements they talk about using are the EXACT same things ending up in peoples rainwater e.g. Aluminium and the dispersal behaviour of these elements is also congruent. Now you dont need to be a conspiracy theorist to connect the 2, just some common sense, which im afraid is highly absent in the world of academic indoctrination.
Think what you like dude, but I feel sorry for you, honestly.
"It will be noted that in October of 1997, a change In the reporting system of visibility data was reduced from a former maximum of 40 miles to a limit of 10 miles. It is a reasonable question to ask as to why that change was made, and whether or not it was made in anticipation of... large scale aircraft aerosol operations over large scale geographic regions." w w w.carnicom. c o m
I can't wait to see your excuse for Government, yes, I said it... Why would they need a law to govern weather mod? Read the facts before you respond.. w w w .agriculturedefensecoalition. o r g /sites/default/files/pdfs/5_1_2006_Weather_Modification_Law_in_the_United_States_Standler_October_22_2006. p d f
The Sun is being covered up for a reason. These trails are strategically placed. I see it more days out of the week than not. Also, this fall I have noticed these trails being laid later than in ANY other year. Contrails do not explain this. Go to NASA's STEREO site and go as far back as you can w/the cor1 and cor2 data. Then look @ more recent data. Notice anything odd? I sure as hell do. I'm in the upper midwest...it's Nov. 26th...still no snow. Gun season is OVER! Contrails form clouds? NOT.
You people are seriously dangerous to society. And yes, so are some theorists, but to intentionally not acknowledge pertinent facts is just ignorant and destructive to the professionals who are proving the biological destruction of life... yeah... I'm crazy, but at least I know global warming is a false political science that you sheeps believe....
@Pikkonuos "to intentionally not acknowledge pertinent facts is just ignorant" - which pertinent facts are those? I can't recall you giving any...You have yet to provide actual evidence for your ideas, how do you expect us to believe you that way? If that is the way things are going to go, did you hear about the Dragon in my Garage?
If you want proof of chemtrails watch a bunch of snowboarding videos from pre 1997, you will not find any chemtrails, then watch a bunch from the last decade and you will see them it's really simple to do your own research and find the truth!! So if you still think these are contrails GET A FUCKIN CLUE!!!!!
Contrails only form at very high altitudes (usually above 8 km) where the air is extremely cold (less than -40 degrees C). Other clouds can form at a range of altitudes, from very close to the ground, such as fog, to very high off the ground, such as cirrus clouds. I saw them forming and cover the sky much lower than that in the middle of summer.
Crowesfan09 10 minutes ago
chemtruth.ning.com/forum/topics/weather-modification
Crowesfan09 34 minutes ago
Your eyes will tell you everything you need to know. Contrails do not hang around all day and form into clouds. This is fact and is scientifically impossible.
Crowesfan09 7 hours ago
@Crowesfan09 Again, can you back up the statement of fact with any links to support your claim? Simply saying 'use your eyes' isn't good enough. Contrails are a reasonably well understood phenomenon and there are many papers written on them.If you go to pubmed and search for contrails you might be able to find what you are looking for. But I have never seen it - and I've looked. What does "scientifically impossible" mean? Because contrail CAN and DO persist and form clouds sometimes
JPO1618 4 hours ago
Not to mention that is has been openly discussed and admitted by our government. There has also been an admitted huge funding by Bill Gates, who talks openly about it.
Crowesfan09 4 days ago
@Crowesfan09 This would be interesting if true, but I have seen many people make these claims without backing it up. Could you link to either of these things? That would be helpful, since I can't find it
JPO1618 4 days ago
So why do they not occur for weeks at a time, then you see them every where for days. I watched a clear blue sky turn into a hazy over cast day while working out side, I watched over a hundred planes leave chemtrails and watched those trails spread across the sky. This guy is such an idiot
Crowesfan09 4 days ago
@Crowesfan09 A possible reason that you might not see any for weeks at a time only to see many in one day like you described, is that for those weeks, atmospheric conditions might not have been conducive to contrail formation, and then a change in weather lead to colder or wetter or icier air in the upper atmosphere, which then lead to persistent contrail formation. I am simply seeking the truth, as we all should be...if that makes me an idiot...then I'm an idiot.
JPO1618 4 days ago
Are you really that DENSE???? You act like you are working for whomever is responsible for this! All evidence is debunked? Based on what? You test the surface soils for aluminum, barium,etc??? You dismiss any common-sense reasoning as to WHY there are dozens and dozens of trails in non-commercial flight paths that criss-cross, sometimes very close and this is normal procedure????? You need to wake up dude!
PatrickLAValleyGuy 1 week ago
@PatrickLAValleyGuy Did I say all evidence was debunked? I doubt it. What non-commerical paths are you speaking of? Again (I know this sounds like a broken record but I'll keep playing it until it sticks) can you show me any evidence for your claims?
Common sense can fail you sometimes - this is where reason and logic help. :)
JPO1618 1 week ago
@PatrickLAValleyGuy Please kill yourself before you get the chance to pass on your mental disease to any offspring.
SkeksisRule 6 days ago
Water samples from pools examined at chemlabs and find stuff like Barium and Aluminum and Strontium. look, you are merely too wise for your own good and can't SEE the forest for the trees!
PatrickLAValleyGuy 1 week ago
Why do people have the water in their swimming pools examined after a week of Chemtrailing at an independent lab and it comes back with elements that are not found in normal air, water or jet fuel?
PatrickLAValleyGuy 1 week ago
@PatrickLAValleyGuy And what evidence is there that these elements can be traced to the chemtrailing planes? Do you really think that particles in the air thousands of feet above you are going to end up on the ground directly below? If you can show a correlation there then I will be happy to examine it and respond, but i don't see how measuring the ground water anywhere tells you about the atmosphere above it.
JPO1618 1 week ago
@JPO1618 UR kidding, right? I mean, when there is a fire or volcanic eruption, you find smoke particles on the ground? Things FALL DOWNWARD..that is Newton. So, when they measure soil and water samples and find aluminum and other metals that are not indigenous to the surrounding area, I would say they came from above. There are several YouTube vids showing this. And when you see the trails AGAIN, START and STOP in mid-flight, that is a deliberate calculated act to discharge something.
PatrickLAValleyGuy 1 week ago
@PatrickLAValleyGuy You do not KNOW any of this. Show me the proof...not the YouTube videos. if you seriously think that particles are not going to remain aloft for long periods and be affected by wind, then I don`t know what to say. Just show me actual CORRELATION between these "not indegenous" metals and contrials. It shouldn't be hard seeing as how certian you are of it.
JPO1618 1 week ago
@PatrickLAValleyGuy Meterological conditions governing cloud formation are highly variable, and it is the same for contrails. It isn't unusual to see vapour trails vary as an aircraft acends are decends through different conditions.
XtalQRP 1 week ago
Try explaining it to people who are seeing this activity ALL OVER THE WORLD. People who know what Clouds are and what they are not. People who have seen NORMAL jet-vapor trails that disappear within seconds. Now we see a trail that starts and stops at some point, and then lingers for several hours, gradually dispersing into a haze that looks like smog. The HAZE then looks innocent enough because most people never look upwards or think it is "sky-writing". And why do they not spray on windy days?
PatrickLAValleyGuy 1 week ago
@PatrickLAValleyGuy Persistent contrails are a well understood phenomenon. NASA has an entire site dedicated to predicting when and where they will form.
Where do you get your definition of "NORMAL jet-vapor trails" from? Are you one of the "People who know what Clouds are and what they are not."? If so, how do you tell the difference?
JPO1618 1 week ago
@JPO1618 Yesterday I was in West LA at a busy farmers market and above me were real clouds..fluffy and white and breaking apart, BUT also the Chemtrailers were out and running long streaks across the sky. I pointed it out to several people. We watched as they spread out..each one exactly like the next. They turned into a haze after an hour or so. Clouds fall apart like pulling cotton candy apart. And Vapor trails can happen on the ground at take-off or high above and disappear rapidly.
PatrickLAValleyGuy 1 week ago
@PatrickLAValleyGuy Because you and all of your people are full of shit and will make up whatever nonsense it takes to keep clinging to your wild delusional conspiracies.
SkeksisRule 6 days ago
And we should expect it. It will reflect the heat or the sun..Either way we are screwed..............We need a revolution against all non commercial flight and make bigger sailboats..And we need to ban Coca cola on can because of all the carbon dioxid..
TheoriginalGrumphy 1 week ago
Actually chem trails are a fact..Even though the impact and number of planes involved are debate able..
TheoriginalGrumphy 1 week ago
@TheoriginalGrumphy How do you determine that chemtrails are a fact? What number of planes do you propose are used? Any links would be great...
JPO1618 1 week ago
Comment removed
TheStellarGoddess 1 week ago
I have seen these 'contrails' expand for hours and turn the sky milky, chalky white. I've lost count of the blue sky days these 'contrails' have stolen!!! At the very least, they hide the sun and steal our much needed Vitamin D. The trails from planes have changed, and people like you are either living in denial OR deliberately misleading people. Look up, look up, look up. . . see for yourself the CRIME that is going on up there.
TheStellarGoddess 1 week ago
@TheStellarGoddess yeah, I said that they changed..I even explained why. Plus I did the research and left you the links to be able to check everything for yourself. And I'm in denial....?
JPO1618 1 week ago
@JPO1618 Your video is lacking for two main reasons: 1) you do not address the fact that these trails 'change' into clouds and turn the sky, mainly in front of the sun white all day - I've seen it on a weekly basis. 2) these 'contrails' (call them what you want) are a problem exclusively in NATO countries. For anyone reading this, please please please watch 'What in the World are they Spraying.'
TheStellarGoddess 1 week ago
@TheStellarGoddess I am preparing a video dealing with persistent contrails that '"change' into cclouds and turn the sky."Simply because I do not address certain things about chemtrails does not mean that I am wrong about the rest...does it? Can you provide any evidence that only NATO countries experience "chemtrails"? I would be very interested in that information.
JPO1618 1 week ago
Condensation can NOT remain aloft for hours because the suns radiated heat will melt it. This is third grade science stuff.. Condensation can NOT spread out and over a period of HOURS morph into pseudo-clouds. An old aeronautic adage is "where you see clouds you won't see contrails".... The two require different conditions to exist.. yet suddenly they don't? You see the trails START and STOP! So explain WHY! They JETS turn OFF their engines?? They suddenly DROP in altitude? It is deliberate!
PatrickLAValleyGuy 2 weeks ago 2
@PatrickLAValleyGuy Explain why? The planes are flying through air that is adequately saturated with water or ice (in which they form a contrail) into a region not sufficiently saturated. They could even fly back into the region and the trail would start up again.
When you say these things "can NOT" happen, on which authority are you speaking? Could you link me to it? Because scientists at places like NASA disagree with you. I will send you the link to contrail forecasts.
JPO1618 1 week ago
@JPO1618 When I see trails that START and STOP in a flight path a jet is on, is possible these planes are shutting of their engines and the restarting them? I see 25 or so trails on a given day and to suggest they are VAPOR trials is ludicrous! Unless they are rapidly descending and rescinding in the air, your theory on vapor trails HOLDS NO WATER(pun intended). Why would these trails LINGER for over up to 12 hours until they are a HAZE? Common sense would say they should of evaporated
PatrickLAValleyGuy 1 week ago
I would thumbs up this video but I haven't been able too lately for some reason
ctlex3 2 weeks ago
Contrails do not come out of the bottom of a plane and go downward first before they become horizontal. Contrails are not hundreds of miles long. Contrails follow established air traffic routes, unlike chemtrails which follow random flight paths in random patterns.
Turdbuckethat 3 weeks ago
@Turdbuckethat And you got this definition where? Or is this simply personal opinion?
JPO1618 3 weeks ago
@JPO1618 I didn't write a book. I made a 3 sentence comment. I'm not going to sit here and cite 40 or 50 sources for a 3 sentence comment LOL!
Turdbuckethat 3 weeks ago
@Turdbuckethat I wasn't looking for 40 or 50, just one source would suffice. My point is that chemtrail proponents often make claims about the way things "should" be or "should" look in ways that are often misinformed and mutually exclusive. When making factual statements one should be able to back up one's idea with evidence.
Is it your claim that chemtails "come out of the bottom of a plane and go downward first before they become horizontal"? Where did this idea come from?
JPO1618 3 weeks ago
Comment removed
Turdbuckethat 3 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@JPO1618 OK Fine! The reason I can make the statement about "chemtrails coming out of the bottom of a plane first" is because I have seen that happen with my own eyes using binoculars. 2.) Anyone can google a satellite image of trails and see that some of them are a couple of hundred miles long. 3.) Again, looking at the satellite image you can see that they aren't following regular high altitude air traffic routes.
Turdbuckethat 3 weeks ago
@Turdbuckethat How can you know the direction of exhaust coming from airplanes thousands of feet in the air? I have seen many videos from PLANES claiming chemtrails and they don't appear to be pointed downward-are these people wrong but you are right?
I am guessing that you are not an air traffic controller, or a atmospheric climatologist (but either am I) which would explain your misunderstanding of persistent contrails hundreds of miles long and that planes dont fly single file
JPO1618 3 weeks ago
@JPO1618 Why is it so hard for you to believe that our government might be doing this? I don't believe it's anything malevolent. Perhaps they are putting some sort of reflective material into the air to help curtail global warming. Who knows. I never said that it was anything evil.
Turdbuckethat 3 weeks ago
@Turdbuckethat It is a lack of evidence that holds back my belief.
JPO1618 3 weeks ago
watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=1djDlO2RZ1U
canadianmerchant 4 weeks ago
Not all planes are spraying chemicals. But the USAF has a history of spraying chemicals weapons. Ask the vietnamese. Ask Navy and USAF vet pilots. Im not saying every trail is a chemtrail. But the Military has sprayed chemicals on americans and vietnamese.
Here is some proof watch this. watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=1djDlO2RZ1U
canadianmerchant 4 weeks ago
BULLSH!T THIS VIDEO IS ALL BULLSH!T
mwowner1 1 month ago
@mwowner1 Well...at least your criticism was constructive...
JPO1618 1 month ago
Very good Video that presents the facts, wich the chemtrail-truther ignored. COngratulations!
SFT1968 1 month ago
planes have flight patterns, there are almost ZERO paths here. I watch all day everyday, and you can SEE and HEAR every flight, Sometimes 1/3 days 20-50 planes will fly at various times, sometimes morning, sometimes afternoon. Yesterday afternoon NOTHING last tue afternoon 27 LINES
caessarion 1 month ago
@caessarion And that would be a difference in the atmospheric conditions leading drastically different contrail formation conditions.
JPO1618 1 month ago
Wrong Wrong Wrong, and terrible unsolved ending.
You see standard contrails and chem-trails at the same time of the day, difference is that the chemicals don't just come just from the engine but from several places on the wings too.
And they stay for longer and always in a concentrated area.
maurikid23 1 month ago
@maurikid23 I live near the coast and near a major airport (Schiphol) and I see hundreds of flights everyday flying out into the pacific, many of them leaving supposed chemtrails.
What is the logic behind that? why would they chemtrail on a flight path that is 95% oversea?
philateliceun 1 month ago
@maurikid23 so why dont you take your iphone, download the flightracker app, look up the certain flight who is spraying over you, then look up the analytical reactions for the substances they allegedly spray and then sue the airline. would be too easy to get hard evidence for chemtrails, but they simply dont exist, so its not easy^^
BangThaBazie 1 month ago
@BangThaBazie Not every plane is going to be spraying...
ChemtrailOrbs 1 month ago
@ChemtrailOrbs wrong! not a single one is spraying
BangThaBazie 4 weeks ago
the Shepard is please with the folks that believe this video!
changethecurrent 1 month ago
I'll GiVe U the HEADZ up EVERYONE it is REal and THERE fOr YoU 2 SEE iN plane SIght.Aerosal spRAY hAs AlUmInUm & BaRiUm chemicals ThAt wIlL MaKe YoU SICK aNd IT WeAkEnS THE iMmUnE SYSTEM p+l+u+s+ tHeY block ThE sUN wHiCh ALSO weakens ThE ImMuNE system.this video is not at all TRUTH if you think it debunks this video is TRUTH if you think it explains an increase in trails over a span of 2 decades time.But fact remains con-trails last seconds or minutes compared to the 30m-2hr aerosol chemtrail
777thefreedomfighter 1 month ago
You are an idiot
Paragon1324 1 month ago
Are you aware that the US government uses a program called HAARP to try to control the weather? Other governments around the world are believed to have similar programs. If the government will use radio and microwave frequencies to try to control the weather, why wouldn't they try to affect the weather by means of chemtrails?
jamesandchante 1 month ago
@jamesandchante And what evidence do you have that the HAARP facility is used to control weather? I have referenced the HARRP patent in this comment section. Who is it who "believes" that other governments have similar programs? Where are they located?
Just because something might be possible doesn't mean it is necessarily occurring.
JPO1618 1 month ago
@JPO1618 You're right, just because something is possible, doesn't mean it is so. But, if you do enough research you will see that I'm right. Google HAARP. Go to the website Live Science. Watch PBS, Discovery Channel, the History channel. Go to the library and rent documentaries and get books. I have no reason to lie to you.
jamesandchante 1 month ago
Why does the US government admit to putting certain chemicals, particles or metal, and particles of plastic into the ionosphere in order to prevent other countries from catching our airplanes on their radar? Why are there news reports about various local governments around the world spraying similar chemtrails from trucks and motorcycles? Why would these things I mentioned be true, but airplanes creating chemtrails untrue?
jamesandchante 1 month ago
@jamesandchante Can you show me links to where these true things are said?Then I can check them out and give you a fair answer.
Let's just say that your trucks and motorcycles theory is true - why wouldn't North American governments be using the same approach? It seems much simpler (if you were wanting to, say, poison people) to put that poison close to the ground.
JPO1618 1 month ago
@JPO1618 I'll try to find links and give them to you when I have more time. I am not saying they are doing these things to necessarily poison us (maybe that is their goal, maybe it isn't). Yet, for whatever reason, they are spraying chemicals in the sky and on the ground. North America is spraying the ground too. I didn't want to believe any of this, but it is true. Can you prove what I'm saying is not true?
jamesandchante 1 month ago
@jamesandchante It is not up to me to prove what you say is UNtrue, the burden lies the other way; that is, one should be able to back up their own comments.
JPO1618 1 month ago
I have done research on this, and I believe you are wrong. If planes aren't releasing chemicals in the sky, why are there constantly planes aimlessly going around in circles, and making crisscross patterns in the sky? Why are weather men saying that there are manmade clouds in the sky that are denser than normal clouds?
jamesandchante 1 month ago
@jamesandchante The circles are called holding patterns and the crisscross results from planes flying North-South AND East-West. Any non-parallel lines will meet and cross eventually.
JPO1618 1 month ago
@JPO1618 Yes, you're right about this. But, why don't these airplane seem to have a destination. If a plan is traveling to another city, state, country, or continent, why are people like me seeing airplanes going back and forth, and in circles? These airplanes should be going in one direction in a relatively long time to reach their destinations. We should not be able to sit still in one place, and see then going back and forth and in circles, should we?
jamesandchante 1 month ago
@jamesandchante Do you live near a major airport? If you do, then you would expect this. I don't live near a major airport, so the contrails that I see are primarily straight traveling often in 2-3 distinct directions (the directions of the major airports)
JPO1618 1 month ago
@JPO1618 No, I don't.
jamesandchante 1 month ago
Chemtrails do exist, bro. Don't believe the lies! They've been PROVEN to contain high amounts of this strange CHEMICAL H2O which is responsible for hundreds of people drowning every year. The government is trying to drown us to keep the population down, man! I wish I could show you a picture of this bong, cuz it is AWESOOOME!
MultiPaulinator 1 month ago
@MultiPaulinator LMAO.
JPO1618 1 month ago
I was quite impressed that in your description you say " I hope any "chemtrailers" will follow some of the links below to research this for themselves, and not take my word for it." The only problem is a person usually has formed a theory or beginning of an opinion even before beginning any type of research themselves. Oftentimes people stop and focus on data that will support their theory without researching further. Having said that, I appreciate the logic in this video. Thank you!
AleeshaWeesha 1 month ago
@AleeshaWeesha I think you are using the type of reasoning you are accusing others of using. It is called close-mindedness.
jamesandchante 1 month ago
@jamesandchante You think wrong. It's human nature to form opinions and quickly. Notice I didn't say "everyone but myself usually has formed an opinion". I look at things, including the chemtrail issue, as possibility vs. probability, but we are all guilty of having formed some sort of slanted opinion on a variety of topics, including you, including myself. I am a very open-minded person, so the opinion you formed of me based on one post I made, is inaccurate.
AleeshaWeesha 1 month ago
@AleeshaWeesha Actually, I originally thought chemtrails were extremely unlikely to be true. However, since I am open-minded, I looked information from both non-believers (who I thought were probably right) and believers. I discovered that my initial ideas were incorrect; and there is more evidence that proves the likelihood of chemtrails than to disprove it. Changing my initial opinion regarding chemtrails when I got more facts shows logic on my part.
jamesandchante 1 month ago
@AleeshaWeesha You said: "Oftentimes people stop and focus on data that will support their theory without researching further. Having said that, I appreciate the logic in this video." Well, the US government has admitted to spraying the sky with chemicals, plastic, and metal. By claiming this video is logical, when it claims chemtrails can be proven a hoax based off of a video of one airplane, shows you haven't researched the issue. You're doing the very thing you accuse others of doing.
jamesandchante 1 month ago
@jamesandchante Again, you're wrong. That's okay though. You may think whatever you wish.
AleeshaWeesha 1 month ago
@jamesandchante I feel people should do research and gather information before forming an opinion. I also feel that they should look at both sides of the debate. What you call close-mindedness is in actuality logic, sir.
AleeshaWeesha 1 month ago
propaganda at its finest! do a video on chembow's or lets see, maybe... uv & solar penetration
dejavuga 1 month ago
@dejavuga 'propanganda' is not necessarily wrong. propaganda for truth perhaps. do you have inaccuracies that you can point out or is it simply that this video goes against your belief system?
what do you think needs to be said about "chembows" - whatever they are - or uv and solar penetration.
JPO1618 1 month ago
You examine quite well the cause of contrails in re comparing aircrafts of differing eras, however, you're explaination of the length of contrails is noticeably lacking. You argue several atmospheric conditions affect the manifistation of contrails, and yet offer no explaination on why these contrails are not effected by atmospheric conditions over their entire length, which maybe 20 miles or longer. Conditions are right for several aircrafts contrails throuout time to remain 20 miles long?
KEWLIDO 1 month ago
@KEWLIDO Great comment.
jamesandchante 1 month ago
@jamesandchante Yes, thank you. He cannot answer this question because he and I both know he can't explain it using his explainations... drivel. After the contrail forms, a new thingy comes into play, i.e. common sence. Ergo, JPO1618 IS fail.
KEWLIDO 1 month ago
@KEWLIDO I didn't know I NEEDED to respond to you since the answer seems obvious from my description: this video was 5 min maximum and so I CLEARLY don't cover everything that their is to cover.
You: "why these contrails are not effected by atmospheric conditions over their entire length" - well they clearly ARE affected over their entire length, just not in the same way since the atmosphere can change dramatically over metres, let alone 20 miles, or they can be relatively constant.
JPO1618 1 month ago
@JPO1618 Of course you do need to respond. Blaming (yourself) for the thinking span of a Gnat for a five minute video, is however acceptable and hilarious at the same time. ;)
Ahem, and Amen. Now you claim the manifested contrails are subject to... Again you fail to support your words with facts. What causes contrails to be different wrt each other?
KEWLIDO 1 month ago
@KEWLIDO Read the description. See the links in it? I have linked my info. You are rude and I feel no desire to converse with you. I only give respect when I get it.
JPO1618 1 month ago
@KEWLIDO What question would you have the oracle answer you?
Incidentally, I use common "sense" as well as reason and logic. You need the whole package because common sense can fail you sometimes.
JPO1618 1 month ago
@JPO1618 I reckon the "Oracle" had a lazy eye a week ago when I originally posted. Or did the post fall into the blackhole? ;)
KEWLIDO 1 month ago
I look at belief as a door opener, for instance if disaster struck and everyone believed in the false information being represented but I believed that something was a foot and I went out and sought the truth of what happened so belief to me doesn't constitute truth but it can open the path to it is all I'm trying to say, open your mind to believe in the possibilities as the world has many and we can't know all of them. ;D
SigR1988 1 month ago
Very well researched, and it is unfortunate that despite the lack of scientific support on the existence of chemtrails, some conspiracy theorists will take their fervent belief with them to their graves. They remind me of religious fanatics. Keep up the great work. =)
lutonduke 2 months ago
@lutonduke I thank you for your kind words.
JPO1618 1 month ago
No matter how much evidence you are presented with you will refuse to see. I bet you still believe in Santa Clause.
disclosurenow9 2 months ago
@disclosurenow9 Very little actual evidence has been presented in this forum, and what evidence there is here does not fall in support of some multi-national conspiracy.
Out of interest, and because I like to feel I am fair to all ideas, what do you think is the BEST evidence in support of the chemtrail theory?
JPO1618 2 months ago
@JPO1618 watch?v=bSSWnXQsgOU
Here's a nice video with a close up of a plane spraying chemtrails.
SigR1988 2 months ago
@SigR1988 That is not just any plane - that is a military refueling aircraft. If this were the source of the supposed chemtrails then there would need to be more than 62 of them in the world. This plane appears to be dumping fuel - not sure why - they do that from time to time. Regular aircraft are not equipped to produce trails like what is shown in the video. Evidence of ONE plane doing something is far from evidence of THOUSANDS around the world doing it.
JPO1618 2 months ago
@disclosurenow9 I agree with the uploader - The uploader has researched and found more conclusive information that are against the existance of widespread chemtrails, than any evidence I have seen *for* it.
I think it is completely possible for chemtrails to be used widely in the near future. But we would see much more secrecy in the fuelling and building of aircraft and their engines, if chemtrails were to be kept secret.
BurritoBazooka 2 months ago
@disclosurenow9 Ha! it's nice to see someone whom sees things the way I do about a "belief" system.The atmosphere is changing, though it does seem to go with "climate changes" I've been watching the skies for since I can remember. Besides, if these "trails" were chemicals, by the time it eventually came to earth it would have missed the "drop site" by hundreds of miles!
Believers will believe in anything.. but only because they can!
ANY belief system is self delusional.
DumpYourTelevision 2 months ago
@DumpYourTelevision The chemtrails will disperse and envelope the sky, I think that's the main purpose of the trails, not where it drops. But when it envelops the whole sky from horizon to horizon then you better expect that crap coming down to you.
I have had numerous occasions of this happening on my little Island called Iceland so they are not sparing none where they are allowed to do this not even a nation of 300.000 people.
You believe in facts is that delusional ?
SigR1988 2 months ago
@SigR1988
Perhaps a better retort is
Jonny the little boy whos mother says "jonny dont tutch the kettle, its hot and you will get burnt" this is a KNOWN fact, however poor Jonny has not experienced this vatal lesson, so he has to believe her, yet the KNOWING gets the better of him and he has to tutch the kettle, THEN and only then will he realise he does not have to believe for he now knows. The fact that the bible exists is not enough to prove that jesus did exist, or even "chemtrails" exist
DumpYourTelevision 1 month ago
@DumpYourTelevision Jonny buys a gun, mother say don't point it at your face it might kill you, but since jonny doesn't know it kills him the knowing gets the better of him and he shoots himself in the face. I think we sometimes need to believe in the facts because otherwise experiencing them will be our downfall, at least I trust people who tell me to not eat cyanide I totally believe them as we have documentation that show that people have died and I believe them to be true
SigR1988 1 month ago
@SigR1988
there is stupid, and stupid. Believe what you will, or believe nothing until you know for sure, without being stupid. I know where you are coming from, as I have been there myself, however, opening your mind to the understanding of the meaning of "belief" will set you aside, and let you move to another perspective.
It takes time and experience to let you take off the shackles that bind us to beliefs and open your mind to a new way of looking at things that contradict our reality.
DumpYourTelevision 1 month ago
@DumpYourTelevision So I can't know that cyanide kills people to be true until I have believed in the facts that are laid our before me, at least this is how I see it and experience as knowing and belief and to me both very important for humans.
Wouldn't you ever want to have belief in your loved ones ? What kind of a father would I be in the future if I would never believe that my child can do what he puts his mind into ? Probably not a good one I think.
SigR1988 1 month ago
@SigR1988
Ah!
You are stuck with the "belief" system...
Once understood, you will understand [realise] what it is I am saying.
I still know what you are saying, and yes, that makes perfect sence when you are in the "belief" system trap.. :o) look from the other side!
DumpYourTelevision 1 month ago
@DumpYourTelevision Trapped by my mind ah... no longer my friend it has passed I was trapped by thoughts emotions and feelings, I believed that I'm the thoughts I observe, the feelings I observe, the body I observe but from observation it seems I'm the one observing. ;)
We'll just have to agree to disagree because I don't feel trapped in my belief of knowledge it has served me greatly over my years.
SigR1988 1 month ago
@SigR1988
Thats my point exactly.. your "belief" until you realise what "that" is you will be forever stuck at "agreeing to disagree"
I know exaclty what where you are coming from, because I used to think exactly the same way as you.
DumpYourTelevision 1 month ago
@SigR1988
What I am trying to say is: You have not yet experienced the experience that will set you free to my undersatnding, the moment until you experience "your experience" you will never get what I am trying to say. No matter what I say! I have "burnt myself" with a new perspective, just like the uploader has, hence his angle of things. until you see it for yourself you will be trapped by your own mind.
happy hunting!
DumpYourTelevision 1 month ago
@SigR1988
And YES "believing" in facts is Delusional
DumpYourTelevision 1 month ago
Public Hearing On Proposal To Ban Geoengineering, Suffolk County, NY
Talks about chemtrails apart of government program. Debunk this...
aircrap.o r g/public-hearing-proposal-ban-geoengineering-suffolk-county-ny/333437/
Pikkonuos 2 months ago
I very well thought out debunking Video. Great Job.
GregQzag 2 months ago
@GregQzag Thank you kindly
JPO1618 2 months ago
Once again how do satellite's inject artificial particles into the atmosphere?
mikewahby 2 months ago
@mikewahby They don't necessarily, they just COULD, according to this patent. Why is it relevant anyway?
JPO1618 2 months ago
Please explain how radio waves make artificial particles? How many times do I have to ask you people?
mikewahby 2 months ago
@mikewahby You clearly have the patent - you quoted it yourself. Why not READ IT!? Nowhere does it say anything about radio waves MAKING artificial particles. If you had read the NEXT LINE after the one you quoted you would know: "3. The method of claim 2 wherein said artificial particles are provided by injecting same into said at least one region from an orbiting satellite." Doesn't sound like any chemtrails I am familiar with.
We're not your mommy and daddy. Read for yourself.
JPO1618 2 months ago
Everyone Read This Patent for the H.A.A.R.P
US patent #4686605
it says this
2. The method of claim 1 including the step of providing artificial particles in
said at least one region which are excited by said electron cyclotron resonance.
What are these artificial particles?
What makes up the AIM mirror that the radio waves are reflected off of in the atmosphere?
mikewahby 2 months ago
@mikewahby The AIM mirror is made up of a section of atmosphere above the HAARP facility created by HAARP in order to receive out-of-line-of-sight communication. The patent says all of this. JUST READ IT!
JPO1618 2 months ago
@mikewahby "What makes up the AIM mirror that the radio waves are reflected off of in the atmosphere?" Answer: Plasma.
JPO1618 2 months ago
@JPO1618 It has also been proposed to release large clouds of barium in the magnetosphere so that photoionization will increase the cold plasma density, thereby producing electron precipitation through enhanced whistler-mode interactions.
shadowperez 1 month ago
No response? I keep finding more and more incriminating evidence. w w w .scribd.c o m/doc/54408783/CFTC-on-Event-Contracts
Pikkonuos 5 days ago
sumstuff46 2 months ago
Marked as SPAM??
look on google yourself IF you even cared anyways, >>>your mind is set, so why bother<<<<
German Government admits participation in chemtrails. w w w .youtube. c o m/watch?v=LrDHr4YCOG4
sumstuff46 2 months ago
you asked for links, they are in comments below but someone reported as spam, why bother you'd delete the links anyways, no matter how much proof i show you , you would not believe, just by reading your posts you are a shill, it's your post, i'm done here, you are well disliked :)
UR WELL DISLIKED EVERYWHERE :)
sumstuff46 2 months ago
@sumstuff46 Maybe YOU go and deleted posts that don't agree with you, but I don't.
What proof have you shown and for what?
Also, I must be the worst paid shill in the business. You would love everything to be a conspiracy and for everyone who disagrees with you to be working for "the man". But that is simply not the case. I am just a person looking for THE TRUTH - just like you. I just have a different requirement for what I consider to be truth.
JPO1618 2 months ago
let me see, we have FAKE STARS, FAKE PLANES, FAKE SHIT EVERYWHERE, NASA IS ALL LIES, YOUR A NASA NUTTER
sumstuff46 2 months ago
@sumstuff46 What exactly is a "Fake Star"? And where do you get your information about it?
JPO1618 2 months ago
why don't you put THE GOVERMENT DOC ADMITTING THEY SPRAY WITH CHEMICALS on your top link, because the GOV ADMITTED THEY ARE CHEMTRAILING this VIDEO IS REDUNDANT NO GOOD ANYMORE, OUTDATED, get a BRAIN
sumstuff46 2 months ago
@sumstuff46 Redundant or Outdated? Pick one, but I don't see how you can have both.
JPO1618 2 months ago
I DISLIKED THIS it's TOTAL BULLSHIT, you know NOTHING about reality, and you stopped halfway through, you failed on so many levels, STOP READING ILLUMINATI BOOKS IDIOT you have been fooled for many years by illuminati, your not helping the problem YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, FUCKING SHILL
sumstuff46 2 months ago
debunked, like fuck, are you fucking kidding, WE ARE IMAGINING CHEMTRAILS and the dying plants and animals, your SCIENCE?? is fucking wrong asshole, what planet are you from anyways, ON EARTH THESE ARE CALLED CHEMTRAILS and sprayed by ORBS, forget planes, you are way off on your ridiculous claims, the voice talking sound very scientific WOW yer smart, FOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL
sumstuff46 2 months ago
@sumstuff46 Sprayed by orbs! That's a new one. Do you have any evidence to offer for this? What about this supposed government document...could you provide a link to this? Then I could check it out for myself, just like you can do with all of the information that I provided in this video.
JPO1618 2 months ago
This video presents a very weak argument. He mentions ONE factor to take into consideration, thats it. What a joke!
1madaboutguitar 2 months ago
@1madaboutguitar-Because that's the focus of the video, moron.
dalek14mc 2 months ago
@dalek14mc Well, in that case he should delete the words "Chemtrails DEBUNKED" because this video does not debunk the fact of geo-engineering aka chemtrails. And have some respect, troll. Going around calling people you dont know a moron just shows how childish you are.
1madaboutguitar 2 months ago
@1madaboutguitar And that is why there is a sub-title: "They didn't look that way..."
I have provided links to my sources of information; would you like to provide some info for you proposition that chemtrails are intentionally being used for "geo-engineering"?
JPO1618 2 months ago
@1madaboutguitar-LOL, this video debunks it very well. One thing I've noticed amongst conspiracy theorists is that they completely ignore all explanations that debunk their bullshit.
dalek14mc 2 months ago
Comment removed
1madaboutguitar 2 months ago
@dalek14mc if you think this video debunks it, you are a complete idiot and you haven't looked at any of the evidence. You are just running off belief systems. Like heavily religious people, you wont face reality and would rather maintain the illusion of a fake text book world, just so you can be 'right', then face what is clearly in front of you. Theres no hope for people like you, on a survival level your fucked, but thats your problem.
1madaboutguitar 2 months ago
@1madaboutguitar-This video debunks a large portion of the conspiracy, which is the "They didn't look like that when I was a kid" argument, which is something that Chemtards rely on so much. So yes, it DOES debunk the conspiracy.
dalek14mc 2 months ago
@dalek Why do you keep using the term "Conspiracy" and "Conspiracy theorist"? Im talking about a phenomenal that has been scientifically proven. Barium/Aluminium/Strontium/ Sulphur, have all been found in very high levels in rainwater samples taken in areas of this visible spraying. Even in areas least polluted like Hawaii, the results are the same. Coupled with the fact they ADMIT they are conducting Geoengineering experiments, have several hundred patents, NASA admits the same intentions.
1madaboutguitar 2 months ago
@1madaboutguitar-Chemtrails have been scientifically proven? You just lost all credibility, keep dreaming.
dalek14mc 2 months ago
@dalek14mc Me. Lost credibility? Ha Ha Ha. As if supposed to take seriously anyone who can watch a clear blue sky, on a day with normal air traffic, then suddenly see 15/20 non commercial planes flying back and forth, back and forth, pumping out huge plumes of white smoke, in perfect geometric patterns, and think its all perfectly normal. Mwahahahahaha go back to sleep, fool.
1madaboutguitar 2 months ago
@1madaboutguitar-Here's the problem, you say that contrails are chemtrails, but you have no proof, and no credibility.
dalek14mc 2 months ago
@dalek14mc Good bye fruitcake. Keep drinking your Lithium and your Fluoride. ;-)
1madaboutguitar 2 months ago
@1madaboutguitar What are these "15/20 non commercial planes flying back and forth"? I have never seen this. Do you have video? And why, in god's name, would "perfect geometric patterns" have anything to do with anything?
JPO1618 2 months ago
@1madaboutguitar "Barium/Aluminium/Strontium/ Sulphur, have all been found in very high levels in rainwater samples taken in areas of this visible spraying" and what exactly does that prove? You are saying that it can be shown that these samples come directly from chemtrails - how? How do we know that the precipitation didn't form at a lower altitude than the chemtrail?
JPO1618 2 months ago
@dalek14mc cont... Not only do they admit weather experiments and the intention to expand them, the elements they talk about using are the EXACT same things ending up in peoples rainwater e.g. Aluminium and the dispersal behaviour of these elements is also congruent. Now you dont need to be a conspiracy theorist to connect the 2, just some common sense, which im afraid is highly absent in the world of academic indoctrination.
Think what you like dude, but I feel sorry for you, honestly.
1madaboutguitar 2 months ago
@1madaboutguitar I was limited to 5 minutes so I couldn't properly take on ALL the chemtrailers' theories
JPO1618 2 months ago
No response? I keep finding more and more incriminating evidence. w w w .scribd.c o m/doc/54408783/CFTC-on-Event-Contracts
Pikkonuos 2 months ago
"It will be noted that in October of 1997, a change In the reporting system of visibility data was reduced from a former maximum of 40 miles to a limit of 10 miles. It is a reasonable question to ask as to why that change was made, and whether or not it was made in anticipation of... large scale aircraft aerosol operations over large scale geographic regions." w w w.carnicom. c o m
Pikkonuos 2 months ago
German Government admits participation in chemtrails. w w w .youtube. c o m/watch?v=LrDHr4YCOG4
Pikkonuos 2 months ago
w w w .youtube. c o m/watch?v=OUZktdjy2w0
Pikkonuos 2 months ago
w w w .youtube. c o m/watch?v=kB-on9P58w0
Pikkonuos 2 months ago
Wow, good vid!
Checking out your other stuff now.
WarChicken78 2 months ago
I can't wait to see your excuse for Government, yes, I said it... Why would they need a law to govern weather mod? Read the facts before you respond.. w w w .agriculturedefensecoalition. o r g /sites/default/files/pdfs/5_1_2006_Weather_Modification_Law_in_the_United_States_Standler_October_22_2006. p d f
Pikkonuos 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
w w w .google. c o m/patents/about?id=RvjWAAAAEBAJ
Pikkonuos 3 months ago
@Pikkonuos One doesn't need to read to figure out why they would want a weather modification law on the books...or Mr. Burns could block out the sun!
JPO1618 3 months ago
Imagine how stupid chem trail deniers must feel now that they openly admitt spraying.
dan32749 3 months ago
@dan32749 who admits so "spraying"?
JPO1618 3 months ago
@JPO1618 Figure it out im not your daddy.
dan32749 3 months ago
@dan32749 Thank goodness for that
JPO1618 3 months ago
The Sun is being covered up for a reason. These trails are strategically placed. I see it more days out of the week than not. Also, this fall I have noticed these trails being laid later than in ANY other year. Contrails do not explain this. Go to NASA's STEREO site and go as far back as you can w/the cor1 and cor2 data. Then look @ more recent data. Notice anything odd? I sure as hell do. I'm in the upper midwest...it's Nov. 26th...still no snow. Gun season is OVER! Contrails form clouds? NOT.
MatrixVaporizer01 3 months ago
@MatrixVaporizer01 What do you find odd with the cor1/2 data?
JPO1618 3 months ago
You people are seriously dangerous to society. And yes, so are some theorists, but to intentionally not acknowledge pertinent facts is just ignorant and destructive to the professionals who are proving the biological destruction of life... yeah... I'm crazy, but at least I know global warming is a false political science that you sheeps believe....
Pikkonuos 3 months ago
@Pikkonuos "to intentionally not acknowledge pertinent facts is just ignorant" - which pertinent facts are those? I can't recall you giving any...You have yet to provide actual evidence for your ideas, how do you expect us to believe you that way? If that is the way things are going to go, did you hear about the Dragon in my Garage?
JPO1618 3 months ago
If you want proof of chemtrails watch a bunch of snowboarding videos from pre 1997, you will not find any chemtrails, then watch a bunch from the last decade and you will see them it's really simple to do your own research and find the truth!! So if you still think these are contrails GET A FUCKIN CLUE!!!!!
dan32749 3 months ago
@dan32749 Did you watch the video? I explained this increase and included photos of persistent contrails from pre-1997.