Déjà vu - NeXTSTEP vs OS X

[alexlanza79]

Good video! It make me think....

What would have happened if Jobs had not left Apple? The NeXT OS would have been the Mac OS of the 90s, say from version 6? How would have changed the computing world with the embryo of Mac OSX 10 years in advance of its presentation in 2000?

[jazzateer]

I used NeXTSTEP in the early 1990'es and it was clearly ahead of it's time. I found it very easy to use and I reaylly hoped it would spread, but that never really happened :-(

[macgezzey]

thought it was a dubstep video

[antigen4]

I had OS X in 1989 you suckas...!!

[savedfaves]

If he never left Apple they might be less far along. Getting fired probably made him more determined to prove people wrong and beat Apple.

[stensoul]

Could you imagine if he never lhad departed from apple...wow think how far we would be now...RIP GENIUS!

[stensoul]

Could you imageine if he never lhad disparted from apple...wow.

[sf4arcade]

It's quite surprising that it took so many years to finally incorporate the Dock and other features to Mac OS. Those features had been taken directly from NEXTSTEP to Afterstep 15 years ago. Why didn't he implement all those things back in the PowerPC days?

[rokoescarto]

NeXT, Pixar, Apple... a total genius... Thanks God you gave us Steve.

[BigRodasMusicStudio]

R.I.P Steve Jobs ;(

[Fabi0Starr]

RIP STEVE JOBS!!!

[geekfront]

youtube.com/watch?v=Qv6twfh2Sg­I

[Spiderwick1989]

now i understand that the mouse cursors of NeXTSTEP are identical to the ones of mac os x!!!

[walter0bz]

miller-bars ftw

[Lahmy88]

It shits me Steve Jobs can be this fucking amazing and yet we still don't have simple things like custom message tones on our iPhones or Blu-ray on Mac etc. Just wish he was more open-minded for stuff like that, and then he'd be the complete package, ready to worship God ;)

[techbeastreviews]

@Dubbzee702 eh well, its true that apple had coppyed some linux features but visa versa lunix did too and microsoft coppyed both

[Bobassa0903]

Steve Jobs actually mentioned NeXTSTEP in an interview with...I think it was Time, but I'm not completely sure. So, it's not like Apple just stole everything and gave no credit. Mac OSX is just a continuation of an already great system.

[hsu912174]

Same person talking, ten years apart. 

[sonicnumber11]

How'd you get the NeXTSTEP video to look so clean? I have the original video and it's very grainy. Did you use an effect in Final Cut?

[rmoisescot]

@sonicnumber11 No I downloaded that video in decent resolution (640x480) from a NeXT forum.

[sonicnumber11]

@rmoisescot what forum?

[sgdeluxedoc]

If this was next 1989 i think there was only

OS2 1.0

windows 1.01.. ..in color, sort of (Well it had 3 colors)

The Next had postscript! similar to quartz on OSX..

the apples were all still black and white too (i think) Dos could do 1 thing at a time

windows could do 2 ,

the mac could do maybe 2 tasks

Next could do as many as the system could handle

and OS/2 also. but remember that that wasn't IBM Os/2 but the Microsoft/IBM one, with the original code base for the Windows you're using NOW!!

[UHUHginge]

My god did the Dock look bad in that demo of OS X. the things beautiful now though.

[quaxk]

@UHUHginge trust me, nextstep interface looked really good when it came out, just compare it to windows 3

[Dubbzee702]

How the windows/mac/linux cycle works:

1. Linux invents. Yes LINUX is the innovator, not apple. But since Linux is not advertised and requires geek skills it is ignored by the general public.

2. Apple copies linux and adds their "i" touch. They then claim it their own and realease it to the public.

3. Microsoft copies apple and the general public pisses microsoft for being such a copycat...

[buildingmovies]

The NeXTSTEP video has better audio/video than the Mac OS 10.0 video!

[StigTube06]

Wasn't nearly all of this in Windows long before Jobs made it a new feature of Mac

[iJackJS]

@StigTube06 Nope

[TowfiqTheBrown]

@StigTube06

Yes But it was on NextStep first. It took apple quite some time to make a new operating system based of NextStep that was also compatible with Mac OS. This is now what is called Mac OS X

[yoda002]

@TowfiqTheBrown They purchased NextStep so they can use it for their next generation operation system.

[TowfiqTheBrown]

@yoda002 Yes but once purchased, it took some time for apple to incorporate it into mac os.

[yoda002]

@TowfiqTheBrown Once they took over Nextstep they went work on implementing it, but it was a major overhaul so it took a while for it to come out. They had to develop application to be able to run on OS X and still be able to run older class applications. In the mean time they upgraded OS 8 to 9.

They previously tried to overhaul the OS code named Copeland but it wasn't going very well so they looked at NextStep.

[Lightfromsirius]

@StigTube06

Hahaha, good joke.

[actuality]

Boom. X2

Nicely editted :)

[texasaggie1]

most of this stuff was in linux/unix at the time steve "borrowed" it and made it his. I'm less impressed after seeing this video. Plus the company employees that cheer wildly, no matter how big the announcement, drive me CRAZY. "It has a thesaurus built in" [wild cheers] "cancer has been cured by Apple" [wild cheers]

[kidonlyle]

@texasaggie1 Sorry linux began in 1991 but Nexstep is from the mid 80's.

[GeoNeilUK]

@kidonlyle you know nothing, absolutely nothing.

Linux is a from-the-ground-up reworking of UNIX, which dates from 1969, BSD is from the early 80s and I believe NEXTSTEP was released in the early 80s, became OPENSTEP shortly after and was reworked as GNUSTEP for Linux and UNIX

[illhonky]

great video.

[Subdest]

Mac OS X is continue of NeXTSTEP...

So what is idea of this video?

P.S. If you look in dev documentation for MacOSX (and iPhone also) you will see that many classes start form NS :)

[rmoisescot]

@Subdest @Subdest Most people have never heard of NeXTSTEP so the idea is to show these people that most of the OS X technology was developed 15 years earlier at NeXT. My intention is also to put in people's minds the question: what if... Steve had been running Apple all these years? Finally, it's also to show that Steve is shameless about keeping on using good recipes (for demos, for that matter).

[MBP6705]

I'm downloading it now. I found a link in this site called the Macintosh Garden. I am going to try to run it in VirtualBox.

[pcuimac]

I am so proud to have an original NeXTstep cube with 32bit NeXT Dimension gfx card on my desk. It´s so lovely to build an application on a 20 year old computer that can stand the test of time. This product shows clearly that not the BEST wins in the market but the established. The so called industry standard.

MSDOS and Intel were retarded products back then and even Atari and Amiga were much better in 1991.

[maw88ify]

@FenrirLupus How hard is it to install VirtualBox in Linux ? It's not that hard...

I never had a problem with many drives ... ever print, camera , iPod, external hard drive all worked out of the box... the printer I had to install under system it took like two minutes.

I use Linux for most on-line stuff because it's safe, and doesn't get viruses all the time like Windows, and I only use Windows for some software, and I SandBox my web. I'm running Adobe CS5 in Linux right now. Look at my video.

[t5productions]

Objective-c, you gotta love it

[Technoguy3]

Did Apple make NeXTSTEP?

[WINANDMACNERD]

@Technoguy3

No, It was developed by NeXT.

Apple acquired NeXT in early 1997 and made Rhapsody out if it. Then the Rhapsody for PowerPC was renamed Mac OS X server, Then they made Mac OS X.

[maw88ify]

@WINANDMACNERD

NeXTSTEP is operating system based on the Mach kernel, plus source code from BSD Unix...

BSD is an OS as well...

After NeXTSTEP Apple also has a Linux project called MKLinux...

MkLinux started as a project sponsored by Apple Computer and OSF Research Institute...

I use PC-BSD, and Linux Ubuntu and Linux Mint... there are 1,000's of Linux distribution...

BSD uses Linux Flash Player and PC-BSD looks like KDE Linux...

Both Linux and BSD are free, and came do most things Mac OS can.

[ozkhino]

steve jobs' founded NeXTSTEP after he "was forced" to leave his own company, Apple Computer, in 1985. He created a great OS that was way advanced than windows and macintosh in the 90's. When he was brought back to Apple in 1996, development started what became known as Mac OSX, which was of course, as show in the video, based off NeXTSTEP operating system (OS). Apple did not make NeXTSTEP - Apple was behind with its OS, and bought NeXTSTEP, which brough Steve back to Apple...

[Technoguy3]

Wow. NeXTSTEP looked better the OS 10.0.

[ozkhino]

don't exaggerate. They're the same OS, except that OSX looks way better now ;)

[Technoguy3]

I think it looked better than 10.0. xD Not 10.1, but 10.0 looked kind of awkward. NeXTSTEP seemed more finished :)

[0sayaka38sayaka0]

why this video has only 1445 views?? It really shows the crap they sell :O

[pcuimac]

@0sayaka38sayaka0 What are you talking about. Do you have any programming skill at all? Have a look at Windows 7. It emulates NeXTstep in almost every detail. Even the Windoof Taskbar is now a Dock ripoff.

[laynor]

@pcuimac Sorry, It was my comment, I forgot to logoff my gf's account. I was not ditching nextstep. I was ditching Os X. And uhm, I guess I can program.

If you had actually used 7, you would notice it doesn't emulate "NEXTstep in almost every detail". You would notice is more of a mix between Os X dock and the normal windows taskbar. The nice thing of the 7 taskbar however, is aeropeek. That's what improves usability. Jumplists are nice too.

[pcuimac]

@laynor Maybe i got carried away by my enthusiasm for NeXT and Apple. I think Windows got better since Windows XP came to the market. But M$ most of the time does copy features from OS X. They copied Expose functionality they made the Taskbar more like the Dock. But also OS X borrows heavily from X11 and Digital Research GEM. And I think it´s no problem if all get better in that process. But M$ lacks ideas of their own. That´s what I wanted to say. No style and no ideas. Just plain copying.

[maw88ify]

@pcuimac The Pin to Taskbar is not a copy of Mac OS dock...

Nope Pin to Taskbar in Windows 7 is copied from Linux Pin to Panel that has been in Linux for year, and year... The allow/deny in Vista M$ took from Linux as well and it is a poor clone ...

[macnerd93]

Mac OS X actually came out in 1999 as a server operating system, but it still looked pretty much like mac OS 9 with the platinum affect.

[MixesAndStuff]

this is hott

[THeAppleFanKiD1912]

1990 and it has real color too it so ahead of its time its not even funny!

[kookieless]

@THeAppleFanKiD1912 Amiga also had color year before

[GrandEpsilon]

@kookieless Yeah, Amiga was the other uber OS at the time.