How this man was a muslim if he even can't say Allah? 4 years ago when we said that this man is a liar, Christian brothers and sisters didn't believe us but today all Americans know about this fake muslim ... His religion is money... Open your eyes.
it is easy to me to find out his mistakes which tells he was not ever a Muslim, because I am an Arab and can understand him when he trys to say something amazing convencing in Arabic.
but he just says anything to convence those who hardly understand Arabic or non Muslims.
What's good about this Part is Dr. Caner's stress on post-salvation spirituality. We can imitate Christ because we've first been made structurally like Him, 2Cor5:17-21. So we get to live for HIM now, 1John 1:4-5,7,9, Philippians 1:21. The old life is dead, paid for on Cross, Romans 6-8.
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Actually, no he didn't. I've had discussions with enough Muslims to know that his take is accurate. They pretty much regurgitate exactly what Caner describes.
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The only liars are those that deny Christ. 1 John 2:22. If you don't recognize Christ as the Son of God, you've got nothing for me to see. I've already seen it all anyhow. From Deedat, to Estes, to Yasin. It's all the same. Accusations, total denial- and blatant lying. Funny thing is you have A FALSE CONVERT in your own favorites. The one who goes by 'converted to islam' is a total fraud; I called him on it scripturally and proved he was never a Christian to begin with.
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The topic is Ergun Caner who embraces Jesus Christ, the foundation of all truth. Those that reject that foundation reject truth itself...
I got 60 seconds into part one of " Fake Muslim Ergun Caner exposed". Rather desperate attempt. I watched part of Kamran's video. What he described was desperately wanting God. Without Christ, there is no attachment to God. There is attachment to family, culture, and pride in those things. NOT GOD. And that man felt it.
rather than getting in 60 seconds of part 1. watch all 8 parts, then if you can refute my presentation, then be my guest. but its no use talking to me without having seen the actual proof (not evidence) i have presented, otherwise i will end up repeating what has already been stated in my videos of ergun caner. this is not about kamran, please stick to the topic.
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I watched part one - it's ridiculously desperate. He made mistakes in his speech and that means he wasn't a real Muslim according to you. In part two you rip on Caner for reciting the Muslim faith recitation "There is no *** but "Allah and Muhammad is his prophet". I've discussed things with a multitude of Muslims who make that same statement. This was the most desperate accusation I've ever seen. Which pretty much sums up the rest of your.. "Information"...
Still haven't seen it all..and you didn't even notice that he recited said part of the first chapter of the Quran and not the actual testification of faith? I don't think you realise the magnitude of this error. Its the equivalent of Ergun saying he was part of your family until the age of 18 but he does not know the name of your mother.You can not be a Muslim if you do not know the testification of faith. It's like being a Christian and not knowing Jesus. And you brush it off like its nothing..
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"and you didn't even notice that he recited said part of the first chapter of the Quran and not the actual testification of faith?"
What he said was the basic premise of the Muslim mantra. Seriously. Your accusations are ridiculous. The entirety of your accusations rest on linguistics and pronunciation. His doctrinal understanding of Islam are right on point.
You still don't understand. I am not focusing on what he said in English. Listen to what he said in Arabic. He said the first segment of Al-Fatiha and then gave the translation of the Shahadah. Muslim babies know the Shahadah in Arabic. You admitted to have only seen the first few seconds and now you say that my accusations rest solely on pronunciation. That's rather funny to hear. His understanding of Islam is so good that he doesn't know that Muslims believe Jesus is Messiah. Amazing!
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"You admitted to have only seen the first few seconds"
I told you I watched part 1. Muslims do NOT believe in Christ. He is regarded as 'another messenger/prophet'. He is the Son of God, the fullness of God in the flesh. Sura 19 ayas 88-92 totally condemns this faith. Caner is absolutely right about this issue. One cannot 'respect' Christ. Either he is to be written off as a madman, a liar, or he is the Son of God.
Nothing you say has anything to do with Ergun Caner. Everything you are writing here will be included on my website which is currently under construction. Please explain to me why Ergun thought that a man called Bahruch (which Muslims have never even heard of) was a prophet? I would like you to explain this. If you can show me any Muslim sect which believes in a man called Bahruch I will remove all of my videos. If you have seen my videos you will know what I am talking about.
Imagine a former Christian coming on TV and saying that John 3:16 is - "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth". Seriously, you are purposely missing the point and resorting to the classic 'pronunciation accusation'. Believe me, you are not the first. How could he be a Muslim until the age of 18 and not know the actual fundamental principle. He apparantly recited this in Arabic in every single one of his 5 daily prayers and he doesn't even know it. Still, watch the videos :)
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"Imagine a former Christian coming on TV and saying that John 3:16 is - "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth".
'Former Christians' prove that they were never Christians to begin with due to the fact that they never had faith in Christ to begin with. Faith in Christ comes from actually experiencing him. Not acceptance of a mere idea. One cannot go to the zoo and experience the existence of lions and go on to say "lions don't exist". Thought I'd clarify that...
You are another classic 'Ergun fan topic changer" just like Stronzo5785. It's no use talking to you if you brush aside of obvious proof that Ergun is lying about being an ex Muslim. Your comment has nothing to do with Ergun, and neither does it show that you have actually understood the point of Ergun not knowing the Muslim tesification of faith which every Muslim knows, even children. Feel free to refute the points in my videos, and upload a video response. You will be the 1st to do so.
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You are another classic 'Ergun fan topic changer"
Oh, I'm not a fan. But the guy was a Muslim. He was from Turkey, a predominantly Muslim nation born to a Muslim father. Islam considers children born to Muslim parents Muslim. And if you wanna get technical, Islam considers ALL children to be born Muslim. According to Islam, Caner's claim is congruent to Islamic doctrine.
Fan or not, you are still a topic chanIt's great that you ger and ignored my very basic question. For your information, Ergun is not from Turkey. He is from Sweden, his mother was a Swedish non-Muslim and his father was a Turkish guy who played soccer all the time. His parents divorced while he was a toddler and he lived with his swedish motherand rarely saw his father. As I said before, please watch my videos, if you can justify even a single one of Erguns lies, I will remove all of my videos.
correction: Fan or not, you are still a topic changer and it is great that you ignored my very basic question. Why is this? This has nothing to do with the state of Fitra. Fitra is different from claiming to be a practising Muslim that prays 5 times a day and reading Qur'an etc. So show me a sect that believes in Bahruch and I will remove ALL of my videos and I will praise Ergun each time he is mentioned.
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The same mentality that refuses to accept that Caner was a Muslim is the same mentality that refuses to accept that Jesus Christ is the risen Son of God. Muslims attack whatever they assume is evidence that supports them - no matter how outlandish it truly is and regardless if they have to defy Islam to do it!! Islamic doctrine says that all are Muslim but 'stray away from it'. So which is it; are you a staunch follower of Islamic doctrine, or your own ideas?
You just compared your lord and saviour to a mere man by the name of Ergun Caner. Thank you for that. It is unfair of you to try and move on to something else without having dealt with the previous matter. Erguns claim of being an ex Muslim is not based on the state of Fitra, it is based on his so called Islamic up bringing and beliefs and practises, so you should stop trying to divert the topic. Why did Ergun believe in a man called Bahruch that no Muslim has ever heard of as a prophet?
Thank you ignoring my message. It's clear you have no answers regarding these fundamental errors. If you have no explanation, just say so. I will not hold it against you and that will be the end of the conversation. And you can continue believing Ergun is a former Muslim, whilst the rest of us call see that he is not. We can agree to disagree if you like, it's just a matter of you replying to even a single point I have raised in my previous message. Thank you again for an irrelevant message.
I apologise for any spelling errors, or missing words in my sentences, I write my responses off the top of my head without proof reading them so I hope you are able to understand what it is being written.
Furthermore, why did Ergun Caner describe Shabir Ally as one of his leaders when Ergun supposedly converted in 1982. Shabir Ally was not even known at that time, he came into the limelight during the 90's. Please explain this. Also could you explain how Ergun converted in 1982 (he would be 16) and then go on to say that he was 18 when he converted? Please explain this. Could you also explain why Ergun said Ramadan is 40 days? Ramadan is never 40 days, how could he have fasted during the month?
Please go to Qur'an search on google, type in "al fatiha" then open up a new window and type in "shahadah" then compare them. As I said before, watch all of them, then get back to me. You seem to think that the error is based upon the statement of "Muhammad is his Prophet", which it isn't. You fail to see the actual point of this vital error just goes to show that you did don't really understand what's going on.
Evallah, for you brother. recently I only hear about christians (supposedly) converting to Islam - from England to Spain to America (including Texas) and now you with your clarity, profound understanding of the muslim's view. Very useful tips and clues, and definitely will use them in my encounters with the many muslims(1 of 9) in London, England. Thank you for your voice of faith and erudition.
I think that's a valid interpretation, the Bible is full of people who had to face trials and tests, most against their deepest fears of the human world. I think the position is to say that 'With God I am invincible not in flesh but in spirit and with His love I can heal the sick and face my foes. Thanks for watching -- Shalom ;)
How this man was a muslim if he even can't say Allah? 4 years ago when we said that this man is a liar, Christian brothers and sisters didn't believe us but today all Americans know about this fake muslim ... His religion is money... Open your eyes.
TurkishPartizan 1 year ago
it is easy to me to find out his mistakes which tells he was not ever a Muslim, because I am an Arab and can understand him when he trys to say something amazing convencing in Arabic.
but he just says anything to convence those who hardly understand Arabic or non Muslims.
mouzanah 1 year ago
The offer still stands for Ergun for a debate anytime anywhere in front of his audience. I hope he accepts.
josephbel 2 years ago
What's good about this Part is Dr. Caner's stress on post-salvation spirituality. We can imitate Christ because we've first been made structurally like Him, 2Cor5:17-21. So we get to live for HIM now, 1John 1:4-5,7,9, Philippians 1:21. The old life is dead, paid for on Cross, Romans 6-8.
brainouty 4 years ago
yeah, and he also lied to you
mokhan247 2 years ago
No, mokhan247, he's not muslim anymore. :)
brainouty 2 years ago
Thank you
mokhan247 2 years ago
he wasn't a Muslim in the first place. You are more than welcome to watch my videos and post a video response.
mokhan247 2 years ago
This guy is great. I loved how he explained the differences between Christianity and Islam.
sicstyl 4 years ago
yeah and he lied to you too
mokhan247 2 years ago 3
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Actually, no he didn't. I've had discussions with enough Muslims to know that his take is accurate. They pretty much regurgitate exactly what Caner describes.
sicstyl 2 years ago
please watch my videos. then we can discuss any issue raised in my videos about Ergun Caner.
mokhan247 2 years ago 2
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The only liars are those that deny Christ. 1 John 2:22. If you don't recognize Christ as the Son of God, you've got nothing for me to see. I've already seen it all anyhow. From Deedat, to Estes, to Yasin. It's all the same. Accusations, total denial- and blatant lying. Funny thing is you have A FALSE CONVERT in your own favorites. The one who goes by 'converted to islam' is a total fraud; I called him on it scripturally and proved he was never a Christian to begin with.
sicstyl 2 years ago
You have gone off topic.
mokhan247 2 years ago 3
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The topic is Ergun Caner who embraces Jesus Christ, the foundation of all truth. Those that reject that foundation reject truth itself...
I got 60 seconds into part one of " Fake Muslim Ergun Caner exposed". Rather desperate attempt. I watched part of Kamran's video. What he described was desperately wanting God. Without Christ, there is no attachment to God. There is attachment to family, culture, and pride in those things. NOT GOD. And that man felt it.
sicstyl 2 years ago
rather than getting in 60 seconds of part 1. watch all 8 parts, then if you can refute my presentation, then be my guest. but its no use talking to me without having seen the actual proof (not evidence) i have presented, otherwise i will end up repeating what has already been stated in my videos of ergun caner. this is not about kamran, please stick to the topic.
mokhan247 2 years ago 3
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I watched part one - it's ridiculously desperate. He made mistakes in his speech and that means he wasn't a real Muslim according to you. In part two you rip on Caner for reciting the Muslim faith recitation "There is no *** but "Allah and Muhammad is his prophet". I've discussed things with a multitude of Muslims who make that same statement. This was the most desperate accusation I've ever seen. Which pretty much sums up the rest of your.. "Information"...
Please.
sicstyl 2 years ago
Still haven't seen it all..and you didn't even notice that he recited said part of the first chapter of the Quran and not the actual testification of faith? I don't think you realise the magnitude of this error. Its the equivalent of Ergun saying he was part of your family until the age of 18 but he does not know the name of your mother.You can not be a Muslim if you do not know the testification of faith. It's like being a Christian and not knowing Jesus. And you brush it off like its nothing..
mokhan247 2 years ago 3
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"and you didn't even notice that he recited said part of the first chapter of the Quran and not the actual testification of faith?"
What he said was the basic premise of the Muslim mantra. Seriously. Your accusations are ridiculous. The entirety of your accusations rest on linguistics and pronunciation. His doctrinal understanding of Islam are right on point.
sicstyl 2 years ago
You still don't understand. I am not focusing on what he said in English. Listen to what he said in Arabic. He said the first segment of Al-Fatiha and then gave the translation of the Shahadah. Muslim babies know the Shahadah in Arabic. You admitted to have only seen the first few seconds and now you say that my accusations rest solely on pronunciation. That's rather funny to hear. His understanding of Islam is so good that he doesn't know that Muslims believe Jesus is Messiah. Amazing!
mokhan247 2 years ago 3
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"You admitted to have only seen the first few seconds"
I told you I watched part 1. Muslims do NOT believe in Christ. He is regarded as 'another messenger/prophet'. He is the Son of God, the fullness of God in the flesh. Sura 19 ayas 88-92 totally condemns this faith. Caner is absolutely right about this issue. One cannot 'respect' Christ. Either he is to be written off as a madman, a liar, or he is the Son of God.
sicstyl 2 years ago
Nothing you say has anything to do with Ergun Caner. Everything you are writing here will be included on my website which is currently under construction. Please explain to me why Ergun thought that a man called Bahruch (which Muslims have never even heard of) was a prophet? I would like you to explain this. If you can show me any Muslim sect which believes in a man called Bahruch I will remove all of my videos. If you have seen my videos you will know what I am talking about.
mokhan247 2 years ago 4
Imagine a former Christian coming on TV and saying that John 3:16 is - "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth". Seriously, you are purposely missing the point and resorting to the classic 'pronunciation accusation'. Believe me, you are not the first. How could he be a Muslim until the age of 18 and not know the actual fundamental principle. He apparantly recited this in Arabic in every single one of his 5 daily prayers and he doesn't even know it. Still, watch the videos :)
mokhan247 2 years ago 4
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"Imagine a former Christian coming on TV and saying that John 3:16 is - "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth".
'Former Christians' prove that they were never Christians to begin with due to the fact that they never had faith in Christ to begin with. Faith in Christ comes from actually experiencing him. Not acceptance of a mere idea. One cannot go to the zoo and experience the existence of lions and go on to say "lions don't exist". Thought I'd clarify that...
sicstyl 2 years ago
You are another classic 'Ergun fan topic changer" just like Stronzo5785. It's no use talking to you if you brush aside of obvious proof that Ergun is lying about being an ex Muslim. Your comment has nothing to do with Ergun, and neither does it show that you have actually understood the point of Ergun not knowing the Muslim tesification of faith which every Muslim knows, even children. Feel free to refute the points in my videos, and upload a video response. You will be the 1st to do so.
mokhan247 2 years ago 3
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You are another classic 'Ergun fan topic changer"
Oh, I'm not a fan. But the guy was a Muslim. He was from Turkey, a predominantly Muslim nation born to a Muslim father. Islam considers children born to Muslim parents Muslim. And if you wanna get technical, Islam considers ALL children to be born Muslim. According to Islam, Caner's claim is congruent to Islamic doctrine.
sicstyl 2 years ago
Fan or not, you are still a topic chanIt's great that you ger and ignored my very basic question. For your information, Ergun is not from Turkey. He is from Sweden, his mother was a Swedish non-Muslim and his father was a Turkish guy who played soccer all the time. His parents divorced while he was a toddler and he lived with his swedish motherand rarely saw his father. As I said before, please watch my videos, if you can justify even a single one of Erguns lies, I will remove all of my videos.
mokhan247 2 years ago 3
correction: Fan or not, you are still a topic changer and it is great that you ignored my very basic question. Why is this? This has nothing to do with the state of Fitra. Fitra is different from claiming to be a practising Muslim that prays 5 times a day and reading Qur'an etc. So show me a sect that believes in Bahruch and I will remove ALL of my videos and I will praise Ergun each time he is mentioned.
mokhan247 2 years ago 3
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The same mentality that refuses to accept that Caner was a Muslim is the same mentality that refuses to accept that Jesus Christ is the risen Son of God. Muslims attack whatever they assume is evidence that supports them - no matter how outlandish it truly is and regardless if they have to defy Islam to do it!! Islamic doctrine says that all are Muslim but 'stray away from it'. So which is it; are you a staunch follower of Islamic doctrine, or your own ideas?
sicstyl 2 years ago
You just compared your lord and saviour to a mere man by the name of Ergun Caner. Thank you for that. It is unfair of you to try and move on to something else without having dealt with the previous matter. Erguns claim of being an ex Muslim is not based on the state of Fitra, it is based on his so called Islamic up bringing and beliefs and practises, so you should stop trying to divert the topic. Why did Ergun believe in a man called Bahruch that no Muslim has ever heard of as a prophet?
mokhan247 2 years ago 3
You just compared your lord and saviour to a mere man by the name of Ergun Caner.
No I absolutely did not. I was comparing situations. Not people. Which proves points I've made concerning your errant judgment.
sicstyl 2 years ago
Thank you ignoring my message. It's clear you have no answers regarding these fundamental errors. If you have no explanation, just say so. I will not hold it against you and that will be the end of the conversation. And you can continue believing Ergun is a former Muslim, whilst the rest of us call see that he is not. We can agree to disagree if you like, it's just a matter of you replying to even a single point I have raised in my previous message. Thank you again for an irrelevant message.
mokhan247 2 years ago
I apologise for any spelling errors, or missing words in my sentences, I write my responses off the top of my head without proof reading them so I hope you are able to understand what it is being written.
mokhan247 2 years ago
Furthermore, why did Ergun Caner describe Shabir Ally as one of his leaders when Ergun supposedly converted in 1982. Shabir Ally was not even known at that time, he came into the limelight during the 90's. Please explain this. Also could you explain how Ergun converted in 1982 (he would be 16) and then go on to say that he was 18 when he converted? Please explain this. Could you also explain why Ergun said Ramadan is 40 days? Ramadan is never 40 days, how could he have fasted during the month?
mokhan247 2 years ago
Please go to Qur'an search on google, type in "al fatiha" then open up a new window and type in "shahadah" then compare them. As I said before, watch all of them, then get back to me. You seem to think that the error is based upon the statement of "Muhammad is his Prophet", which it isn't. You fail to see the actual point of this vital error just goes to show that you did don't really understand what's going on.
watch the videos.
thank you for your time
mokhan247 2 years ago 2
lol ur dumb man
idareu22 2 years ago 3
"Oooo let's search Ergun Caner everywhere on the internet and spam WATCH MY VIDEO PRAIZZZE ALLAH" Just stop. Yes I watched your shitty "video series"
spikethestampede 2 years ago
Evallah, for you brother. recently I only hear about christians (supposedly) converting to Islam - from England to Spain to America (including Texas) and now you with your clarity, profound understanding of the muslim's view. Very useful tips and clues, and definitely will use them in my encounters with the many muslims(1 of 9) in London, England. Thank you for your voice of faith and erudition.
kotarak 5 years ago
I think that's a valid interpretation, the Bible is full of people who had to face trials and tests, most against their deepest fears of the human world. I think the position is to say that 'With God I am invincible not in flesh but in spirit and with His love I can heal the sick and face my foes. Thanks for watching -- Shalom ;)
TheGoodNews411 5 years ago