Expert Insight Poker Tip: Hands to Bring to War

[longjohnw86]

BETTER HOPE HE AINT GOT AK OF HEARTS THERE OR YOUR FCKEEEDD

[1skullduggery]

not if you play on bodog....you ain't makin' your draw, beeotch...

[dmghoster]

what can beat aa ????

[Zee96969696]

thanks for nothing, this is so obvious... jeez, do you really think this advice helps???

[scottdog87]

yeah but online chances are that the river comes and you miss always happens to me

[whatugundo]

Dont like the aggresive advise , i like to call really fast , let them think there ahead let them start raising me

then hit in with a hard re-raise then push on the river ..

if they dont have an ace in the senario up there 95% would have folded and if you dont raise they may try a steal --played right into your hand

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[HalfEatenDimSim]

Stupid advice to call an all in on a draw. May aswell play bingo instead.

[ddrwizard]

@HalfEatenDimSim

I think it's pretty simple logic, your 56.26% to win so even if you get called every time you still don't lose in the long run, also if they fold too that's not a bad result either, so it's really a great play that either makes money in the long run or they fold.

[HalfEatenDimSim]

@ddrwizard Stats and odds are meaningless. It's about knowing your opponent, and what they might have and whether they will gamble. Unless you believe you can bluff an opponent or they are bluffing you, it's not a good idea risking your entire stack knowing you're probably behind.

[ddrwizard]

@HalfEatenDimSim Id risk my stack all day with your 56% favorite with TPTK, 51% favorite against top two, 42% underdog against a set plus you have FOLD Equity depending on your opponent, even if you brick on the turn you still have at least 30%-34% equity and with the right Stack to pot ratio you can still shove 14-15 outs. You're gambling but with good odds and that's what poker is all about.

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[TeddyNutts]

This video is retarded. Who's it aimed towards ?? Seriously ??

[gtg309v]

A straight flush draw is a good hand to raise with. The majority of the time you will be in the lead. If they have top pair and you hit the 3rd heart, it is likely that your opponent will shut down so you want to get your money into the pot as early as possible (plus the fold equity of raising). If you did raise on the flop, and you hit your flush on the turn, then it would be deceptive to slow down on the turn and hope your opponent tries to represent the flush so you can check raise.

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[cioee]

u know what makes me laugh?how thw hell do i know what my opponent have?

[Firecatsrule]

bet i could beat u on holdem

[4thandinches]

Phil Gordon is a douche.

[hellodara]

maybe overestimate was the wrong word. the idea i was trying to convey was that you have to acknowledge the possibility of being beat when you play.

[howardsway01]

wats the chances of getting a straight flush draw come on who u trying 2 kid count ur outs and how much is in the pot if u got big chance of winning then u make a bet but rember ur chasing a str or flush u got no hand yet chasers lose more hands than they win

[poneddp]

i dont know, depends, would u call 1000.00 on a draw? or would you risk a tournament for it?

[vademax44]

haha...Phil was on fire for this one :p

[toyotas2006]

I know all this shit

I guess that makes me an expert

[hellodara]

@PokerPlum you're stupid, its much better to overestimate an opponent's hand than to underestimate it... even the best poker players are put on the spot because they're scared their opponent has better

[JanineRobin]

@hellodara No, you're just a weak player with no testicles, hellodara and you should stick to $1 sit n gos and fold everything but the nuts. Or play your Grandmother and still lose, either's fine.

[ojideagu]

@DanieINegreanu Stop fucking Spamming

[faheemnajm69]

Yeah cash games only. I've learnt the hard way not to risk your tournament life on a coin flip like the one shown in this video

[ojideagu]

You have to when you are short stacked and the blinds are high in a tournament.

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[Iblis00]

Ok, but only in cash games.

[jacquezd]

I've changed my mind about this. I like this play now, especially if you are the aggressor.

[Eeeeeeediot]

how do the odds that EI says shift when playing with multiple people?

[pilsburydogg]

mutha fuka keeps on saying ALMOST never wrong

[mindahl]

because luck exists - especially with draws

[padgetsf]

POT ODDS POT ODDS POT ODDS!!!! This should always be a major consideration in every decision you make. As a favorite with the straight flush draw, it is always right to call any size bet (unless your style is to avoid gambling). The worst hand in this situation to be against would be AK hearts, then you would only have 6 outs to the straight and 2 outs to the straight flush, though even then you're not in horrible shape.

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[jacquezd]

To me, it doesn't matter that you have a 54% chance of sucking out the flush. If you do it twice in a tournament...the odds are that you will lose one of those two hands. And you only need to lose one of them to be out of the tourney. I'd rather play on my own terms and be the one raising, opposed to calling and going all-in on a draw, even if I'm slightly favored. A coin-flip for my tourney life doesn't sound so good.

[Amedor]

This video is referring to cash games.

[IH8WRONGPPL]

On Full Tilt, the reality is opponent would have AdKh, the turn would be 6h, the river would be 2h.

Now wtf do you do Phil?

[negerbende]

call an all inn with a draw is just plain stupid!!!!!

[lester8ilt]

he said a big draw. in the instance given, the jack ten of hearts has at least 17 outs, which actually makes him the favorite in the hand. always call when u have an open ended straight draw along with a flush draw, especially when u are certain your opponent has top pair.

[badpanda84]

Actaully its only 15.

There are 9 cards to make the flush

And 6 cards ( that are NOT hearts since you arleady counted them in the flush) to make a striaght

That is 15 outs.

But you are still correct that still make him a favorie in the hand

BUT you cant count the

[badpanda84]

That works out to about 54%

[badpanda84]

That is a straight flush draw.

With 15 outs that a 54% chance of hitting a straight or a flush.

[pheonix567]

personally im not a fan of chasing a str8 sometims a flush tho.

[FordPerfect]

c'mon how often do you flop a straight flush draw!

LOL XD

[BenKHouch]

u can flop a flush and a straight draw...thats more expected..eg Ah 7c6h u hold 89h...prehaps he shoulda used that senario perhaps

[jschristian44]

@FordPerfect every 1 in 4 hands...jk

[YouCanCallMeAl1022]

@FordPerfect It happens enough often for this scenario to be applicable. You may not end up hitting the straight flush (chances are that it doesnt come through), but with an open ended straight flush draw, you have 15 outs twice, making you a 4:3 odds favorite to win at the end.

[FordPerfect]

@YouCanCallMeAl1022

thanks. i know that it does happen and i know what it means. and it happened to me before. but if you want to teach beginners the basics of poker you probably needn't include a very unlikely example like this. start with just a flush draw or just a straight draw or even a straight draw and a flush draw. but an open ended straightflush draw CMON!

[47Mortuus]

@FordPerfect

ehm in every session of 6 hours i normally get 2 or 3 open ended straight flush draws. NOT always on the flop

[FordPerfect]

@47Mortuus so?! my point was how often do you FLOP a open ended straight flush draw.

[47Mortuus]

@FordPerfect

yes, and i answered your question lol

[FordPerfect]

@47Mortuus it wasn't a question! but thanks anyways. 

[itchymac1916]

Depends. Some aggressive players like to risk it to try and double or even triple up early. Not me though I woul tend to be more passive than many of the guys I've played with

[Nordb0nk]

kinda depends on the stakes

[zass17]

flush is always tougher to get than your imagine. for me

[Proud2beNL]

that's a 60% winning over there... hhmmzz seems nice to me worth take a risk ;)

[doluseb]

You're not fooling anyone with a reraise on that board. obvious flush or straight draw raise, and the ace will almost always call you

[badpanda84]

And the problem with that is??

You want your opponent to call you with the ace.

You are about 60% chance to hit the striaght and flush.

[doluseb]

IMO is pretty spewy to inflate the pot with a coin flip. Wait till you get more info. Nothing wrong with the raise, but i think it should be used more as a balance instead of a common move.

[ojideagu]

It's called a Combo draw, it's always right to put your entire stack in on a straight flush draw because you are 54% favourite to win in most situations in a cash game.

[doluseb]

@ojideagu Oh really? Yea I know what it is and it's still a draw. Anyone willing to go stacks with you it isn't just gonna be a coinflip. Oh and if you get your best situation ie. coinflip you play for stacks ALWAYS? say 200-300bb deep. please join my table

[ojideagu]

It's not just a draw, it's the most powerful draw in NL. You should have enough in your Bankroll that your buyin is always only 5-10%, on the table otherwise you're a donkey scared to commit when the odds are in their favour.

Ask any pro they will say the same. When you are a 54% favourite with a Combo draw it is the correct MOVE always in a CASH GAME because the odds are in your favour.

[ojideagu]

You think 54% in your favour with 5% of your bankroll All in is a BAD move? Come and join MY cash table.

If you have the nut Flush Draw and a pair on the Flop it's even more essential to go ALL in with your straight flush draw, you are the fucking favourite you dummy.

[doluseb]

@ojideagu Yes I do. Like I said if someone is willing to play for stacks with you, you are not 54% favorite. sorry just not gonna happen. pokerstove it for yourself and give villain a respectable range for his AI. And I think a propensity to coin flip is gonna give you some huge variance, have fun doin that. Would I fold to an AI, probably not. However when you go all in you do not get worse to call often enough to make it profitable. (unless you're playin donks)

[ojideagu]

Go and read some poker books and strategy on Nut Straight Flush draws and you will see you are totally wrong, Combo draws must be played for stacks in cash games. If you semi bluff check raise and are re-raised all in on the flop, it's an automatic call.

Only if you're an idiot with half their bankroll on the table is it an incorrect move in Cash games. You should have 5% on the table.

[doluseb]

@ojideagu I never said I would fold, learn to read. Also I've read plenty of poker books to know not to coinflip myself to death. 5% 20 times is all of your BR and yes you CAN lose 20 coinflips in a row. Also like I said against any competent player you are not 54% to win. Play it strong? yes, but some of that time you're flush draw is dead, and if you don't hit your straight flush the set has a redraw to boat. By all means coinflip yourself to death lose a BR then talk to me

[ojideagu]

Straight Flush draws are very rare, so you're hardly smashing your variance.  On top of huge Fold Equity, Even in the very rare worst case they hit a Full House or Quads, you can still catch a Straight Flush and win. It is simple plus EV long term.

You can lose 20 times with 70% equity, that's poker. If you are playing THAT scared you must be so easy to blow off hands by aggressive players who know you will fold to to big bets, or you're playing WAY above your bankroll.

[doluseb]

Here. I just ran the numbers for you. with a straight flush draw against competent villain range you are 42% to 57%. Anything that is calling your all in has you beat, period. Everyone once in a while you get it in vs a 2pr type hand where you are almost 50/50 although still a small dog. If your flush is dead you are 33% to win. If you are against a set you are 42%. And you have no fold equity pushing all in. Like i said you only get hands to fold that you beat already.

[ojideagu]

How often do you get a Straight Flush draw, and at the SAME time the opponent Flops a Quad or Full House? You can even get some tight players to fold a set in this spot.

Even if they go all in that does NOT mean that is the hand they have, many players are aggressive today.

The vast vast majority of the time you are ahead of everything, And most of the time you will be the one with the fold Equity or a high likelyhood of hitting.

Quit playing Scared poker when the odds are in your favour.

[doluseb]

Did you even read my post? I just said you are a 42% to win the hand against anything that calls your AI flop bet. I never said they flopped a FH or Quads as it would be impossible for you to have a SFD on those boards. You have no fold equity versus 2 pair or sets. Nobody folds a set on the flop, sorry it just don't happen unless is an obvious straight or flush flop. Open up pokerstove and do the ranges yourself if you don't believe me. I never said fold, if you get 1.5:1 or better is instacall

[ojideagu]

And how often are you going to be up against a 42% range that beats you WHEN you flop a Straight Flush draw and play it strong?

Wet Staight flush flops ARE the very flops you normally will hit Einstein, that's why you have a lot of fold equity. Against all 2 pair and low sets, All one pair hands. and any drawing hand i.e most of a players range.

Straight Flushes are a monster draw against any player and any range. Never play it weakly.

[ojideagu]

While sets will usually never fold, The odds of them having a Set or better at the same time you have a Straight Flush draw are so slim you'd be an idiot to ever be scared of it or to not get all your money in.

Same as you can't be scared of Set over Set, it's no different. Get your money in.

[doluseb]

You're not getting what i'm saying. If someone calls your all in, they have a set or 2 pair. doesn't matter how often it happens, when you do it you are beat period. Therefore you make no money on worse hands, and you get beat by better hands = -EV

[ojideagu]

So what? How often are they going to have a Set or better at the exact same time?

All 2 Pair, 1 pair and draws are an underdog to a Straight Flush draw. The chances of you being up against a Set or better are no worse then Set over Set and when do you fold that?

Is folding Set over Set +EV in your playbook too?

Poker Listings have an large article on this i suggest you read, most pro's know this. Is Phil Gordon an idiot too?

[ojideagu]

So most poker literature, Phil Gordon, All the greats like Ivey and Chris Ferguson who helped Phil edit this play in his book by the way,

All of them are wrong, thanks to you,

The great Mr Poker Stove.

[ojideagu]

If you think players only call All in with Top 2 pair or better, I'd like to be on that predictable table.

I regularly see players Go all in with a Pair of Kings, Queens and Aces on the Flop at $5-$10 on Full Tilt for 1k. So don't give me that.

[artrca1000]

All-in on a draw is a suicide squeeze.

[jakobpind]

yeah if its only a flush or straight draw, but when its both, youll win more than 50 out of 100 times. So i cant se why u say that its a suicide ? but of course it depends, if its a ring game, or tourney. I wouldnt risk all my chips, if it was a tourney, in this type of draws.

[hendrik04]

depends of the draw and the stack sizes

[bri719]

the great thing about the SF draw (which rarely hits when it does come up, since it's 1 card in the deck), is you have the decent flush draw and even if that doesn't hit, an open ended straight draw or gutshot to land if you're lucky. I find the 50% to be pretty true, typically I end up with the flush more times than not but no SF. I typically bet it big but not too big to draw some money back at me, but when my opponent folds, I often show, just to say "hey good fold man".

[heimlichkeit]

I hit my first straight flush Q high yesterday. Took down a nice pot, but my opponent didn't call my all in. My first straight flush goes unnoticed, and doesn't reach it's potential pot odds.

[brandonrickrode]

I hit a J high straight flush yesterday...The place i play at pays out for "high hands" like that...luckily the guy had a full house, so he thought he had me...the pot was HUGE, then on top of that, the casino payed me $178 just for having the hand!!!

[heimlichkeit]

Was that the badbeat jackpot? Usually the casino is a little pickier on their hands. Nice incentive to hit the tables though.

[badboyflavour]

i would only risk my all-in with such a hand on the flop only in cash games.. not suitable for tournaments.. if you dont get lucky you are out of the tournament and you are getting called if your opponent has 2pair or set.

[badpanda84]

"you are getting called if your opponent has 2pair or set. "

That might make a slight diffence because of the full house possiblities.

But remember you are drawing to a straight or flush. Both of which beat 2 pair or a set

[milan823]

You dear sir are an idiot

[FRIENDLYMEXICANBOY]

ok, so I'll be an idiot and carry on winning big tournaments each year, and you stay at home masturbating when you hit a royal flush on a play money full tilt poker game

[Virus278]

do you really win big tournaments?

[reindeerss]

Yeah, he's winning a lot of big tournaments that he decided he needed to watch this video. Hahahah...

[DiepTan]

f u bi*ch i bet u r worst... trash

[neo8x4e]

But I'm an idiot with a stack!

[hawkfish88]

u r so right, alot of people never trust there hands. They should learn to go with the odds like these videos are teaching

[KKwelt]

And what happens when the opponent has AK in hearts or even AQ.... A5?? Your opponent will call your all in ---> and this would be a correct call!!

[3Solidus]

Chances of 6 hearts in play at the flop are slim. Plus chances of hitting the flush are minimised but you'll still have an open straight draw

[Pwnz0000r]

You call that slim?

9outs + 8 outs = 17outs x 2 = 34outs when you go AllIn!

That isn't slim man.

[luxxn]

9+8??? 17x2 = 32 outs? man, you probably should read another poker book or should read one at all

[BriDirt]

it doesnt matter anyway, its not even 17 outs. sure its 9 outs for ur flush, and 8 outs for ur straight, but 2 outs on ur straight are ur flush outs and ur counting them twice. 15 outs....... x 4 = 60%...............

[paulio2293]

also ur only going to get called by two pair or a set, so half ur outs give the other guy a full house which kills the hand your hoping to make

[BriDirt]

good point but u give too much credit for the amount of outs that eats up

[sambalbei]

nope......with t 10J suited, u got more chances to get t nutt-straight compared to AK suited Actualy 4 times more chance (if im correct)

[unholypenguin4]

10 j was 55 percent over 45 percent for ace king

[neveSykcuL]

only because it was suited, its not a fair comparison. to be fair they should compare it to AK suited.

[beejay4x01]

the points to show you that a flush draw is better then the high pair

[AybekFatih]

I will pick high pair against flush draw any day

[diegouemura]

Its a straight / flush draw, not just flush draw.

[tristan2]

i you have 2 aces

and i have 9 10 suited with a flush and straight draw i'll have 15 outs thats alot even 19 if its an open ended straight draw

[ml497]

The straight/flush draw would certainly be better if there are more people involved in the hand and even here, it has a 56% chance of beating the high pair.

[ruebs]

On cash tables especially I prefer to hit cards than draw

[nbirkett1]

its not too bad to fold a straight flush draw against multiple opponents early in a tournament. you may not have a winning flush draw so you'll be nothing like 50/50. also, i'm sure phil gordon has got a lot more money than you from playing poker so i'd stay quiet!

[d3th2u]

Didn't he forget to mention some things like:

who has to bet first

how big the stacks are

how big the blinds are

how much is in the pot

is it a cash game or tourny

why is he so boring, etc.

Phil Gordon your an idiot. Save your useless noob advice for the donkeys.

[1nv1nceble]

even if I hadn't any outs I would NEVER fold a straightflushdraw :p

[drvindaloo]

How do u know what he has lol

[rickuadra23]

damn that river

[rico305305]

he said it was more than 50% to win anyways......whats your point since you have none!

[pokerchobo]

when u play this hand in a raised pot, by pushing all in u want your opponent to fold because its a bigger profit then, be aware pushing these draws in multiway pots cause these draws are 1 to 1.5 underdogs against sets

[PMantisKF]

LOL "Try to hit one of your cards on the flop".

I ALWAYS TRY to hit one of my cards!

unfortunately, I don't always succeed. haha

[mrPhero]

try harder!

[nhanoo2000]

Man, it depends on the situation. I would not go all in on such a move. Give me KK over that shit anyday. Here is my sense and it pays off, "I have a the nuts now.. and i'm going to make you pay dearly to catch up"

I don't play catch up poker, I play nuts poker and make those chasers pay. Remember, I have a monster hand and you're "hoping" to hit. ser often loses his money ... to me HAHAHa

[freewill1978]

Don't take this the wrong way, but players with your mentality almost never win the big money at tournaments. They may place in the money more often, but they can't get near the top because they never have enough chips. You're not going to get AA or KK, or flop a monster hand often enough in a tournament. You HAVE to be willing to take some coin flips along the way, and hope to win them. This hand is even better than a coin flip, and I wouldn't hesitate to take it late in a tournament.

[nhanoo2000]

True, but I'm referring to cash games. In a tournament, you pay your buy-in once and so everybody is not willing to mess with you for all your chips. If you do that in a cash game, you can lose your shirt because one hand alone would be hundreds of dollars.

Cash games are a different beast altogether because they can rebuy if they lose. The thing is, you WILL lose all your money going all-in with AK all the time. I guarantee it.

[lisakay1983]

I think this is a great tip as I have often bet high on straight or flush draws with high overcards out there and often the other player will have 1 overcard and end up folding because they have had a bad kicker and they end up believing i have top pair with a much higher kicker. It is always a great idea to bet in this situation, i would not go all in though.

[smudger1978]

Not really Jacquezd. You dont have a made hand, but you're a statistical favourite with an OESFD or a hand like top pair top kicker and the nut flush draw. Of course you wont necessarilly make it, but then you're all in with an over pair will get cracked too. It all depends what odds you're happy to gamble with. Would you call all in with QQ if you knew you were up against AK? Thats a 55/45 shot, about the same odds as both the hands above.

[staphinfection]

I never win when I take gambles. Play smarter, play longer.

[qwertyu121]

yeah but ur gambles probably dont have straight and flush possibilities a ton of cards give j10 the win there and its poker u need to gamble playing safe is for pussies

[DiVerz4]

To be fair, they're only advocating this for a combination straight + flush draw, or perhaps. With an OESFD on the flop you actually have a better hand than your opponent unless they have a set...in that case it wouldn't be chasing, it'd be calling with what is actually a marginally better hand at the time.

[DiVerz4]

If you're up against an opponent who will fold a good sized pot if you go all in then by all means play that draw aggressively, but if you're against someone who would be more likely to call your bet than perhaps seeing the turn and river before committing all of your chips is the right strategy. Against those opponents you'll win a lot when you hit your draw and you won't lose as much when you miss.

Just my two cents, feel free to criticize.

[DiVerz4]

This is just my personal opinion, but I think that people get a little over anxious sometimes with big draws. It's as if they're used to calculating their outs and seeing that they have 8 or 9 that they can't contain themselves when they have enough outs to make it a coinflip.

[jacquezd]

I'm no pro, but calling an all-in on a draw is what we like to call "chasing". And if you play long enough, you know chasing isn't a good habit. I listened to this, didn't entirely agree with it, but tried it anyway. Lost. Then tried it on another tourney. Lost again. Myself, I'd prefer to wait and play one of the next hand on my terms, rather than call an somebody's all-in on a complete draw. That's a quick way for a quick exit. I'm surprised they're recommending this.

[mvogt]

He said you can call big draws. And a draw like that in the movie can really be called allin. In a cash game the odds are better than 50% that you win and in a tournament with decent players it would be ok, too. I wouldnt call it against players I could outplay without taking so much risk. A normal flush or straight draw (even open ended) of course cannot be called allin when the pod odds are bad.

[getduloh]

this tip was referring to "monster" draws, such as straight flush draws, where you have tons of outs to give you the best hand. if you simply hold a hand like a weak flush draw then you should play smart, not ultra aggressive like this.

[moffi12345]

when ur chasing a monsterdraw on the flop you have 17 outs to win the pot. as you havent seen 47 cards (52-ur hand+flop) and u are going to see another 2 cards, ur hand is more then 50% going to win-> 17 cards are going to help ur hand.

47/17=.36 = 36 % to hit ur flush or str8 on the turn, another 46/17=.37 = 37% to hit ur flush or str8 if you havent hit it allready on the turn.

you cant call wrong on a str8+flush draw.

[asfalten187]

you only have 9 plus 6 outs

[freewill1978]

Correct, 15 outs total. Moffi, you're counting the Qh and 7h twice. But with 15 outs, and 2 cards to come, you're still favored to win. It's a bit better than a coin flip. If you're not prepared to get your money in with this draw in a tournament, you just won't do very well in tournaments.

[asfalten187]

i wouldnt call all in many times with 55-45 when i feel i have an edge on the opponents anyways . poker is relative. I would go for it in cash game or tournament with steeper structure.

wasicka folded a nice little straight flush draw when there were only 3 players left in the main event, and gold had reraised his opponents all in. he folded himself to the second place. Infact he would have hit the flush and would have had a reasonable chance against gold headsup.i agree with his play though.

[badpanda84]

haha

Losing 2 times isnt really a big enough sample size.

Of course its all about pot odds and this was a stiraght flush draw.