Great, not the invisible realm of "other frequencies" story... Why cant they just get it through there heads ~ if it cant be demonstrated it is'nt there, why waste any more time. Oh ya there is good story, if god were to show up it would violate our Free will,,, But Yet its a "SIN" to have free will because adam & eve ate from the tree of knowledge,, can they ever get this damned story sraight??
A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.' - Jesus Christ.
The 'sign of Jonah' is the 3 days in the whale's belly before being saved - the sign Jesus then gave was 3 days in the grave before being resurrected - this was the sign - and what an amazing one it was!
There will therefore be no more 'signs' until the end comes.
So stop all asking 'Where's Jesus?', 'Where's proof?' No sign is to be given!
@RUKEAL - strange that yahweh tells the israelites that they're SUPPOSED to look for signs, then along comes jesus and tells them they're evil for doing what yahweh told them to do
do u like it when people tempt you? Surely He doesn't. God shows Himself to everyone. Ask people who experienced His presence. You want to see Him, go to church. The closes you get to Him, the closer He gets to you. Rather than trying to prove that He doesn't exist, try finding proof that He does. People are foolish not to see Him. Right and wrong didn't come out of nowhere. Why do they exist? There's a reason for everything. & that reason is God.
How do you know that He doesn't give undeniable proof? Undenyable proof removes free will because everyone would be forced to believe in God, even if they don't want to.
@zippu92 What do you mean by "open your eyes"? My eyes are open and I see no evidence that a god, ANY god, exists.
Are you suggesting that everything around me is proof of god? Nature? birds? a blue sky? a turtle? earthquakes? disease? murder? rape? No, those things are proof of those things, not a god.
@BastEternal God is trying to show Himself to everyone. There is proof all around you. But if you choose to be stubborn/hardheaded, what's the point of Him trying to prove to you that He exists if you don't even bother to look.
@Tati7988 "God is trying to show Himself to everyone."
Wow, this god, who is supposed to be able to do anything, can't even do this simple thing as collectively convince EVERYONE he exists. I find it funny that your god's proof of existence is contingent on me actually looking - in fact, that means your god has limited powers.
I mean really, this is GOD you're talking about - wouldn't it be in his power to actually be able to convince EVERYONE he exists without us having to look?
@BastEternal Do you even know what God is? A state of consciousness which was before the universe and which the universe strives to re-attain. Space-time material dimensional/dualistic universe: Unconsciousness (chemical life) --> consciousness (biological life) --> self-consciousness (we) --> hyper-consciousness (spiritual beings) --> God-consciousness: outside space/time. mental dimensionless universe, thus everything is one, thus everything is God. Blaming God is blaming yourself
@BastEternal It appears your disappointment with stupid mainstream christianity (based on 'everything without proof' has caused you to become slave to the opposite extremism/polarity: the (un)scientific dogma of materialism, based on 'nothing outside proof'). It's pathetic really... You're like a ball kicked from religion to nihilism (and don't tell me atheism isn't nihilism, cus a belief in no God (aka 'everything') = a belief in the opposite of God: 'nothing'.) and vice versa..
I love how you think you can judge me and tell me what I think. I love how you assume I'm "disappointed" with "stupid mainstream christianity" when I said nothing of the sort. And I love, LOVE, how you think I believe in nothing because I don't believe in gods. And nihilism? That's another laugh!
Anyway, I have better things to do with my time than to respond to assumptions about how I think. You need to learn how to speak for yourself, and not for others.
@BastEternal But I understand that I can only help you by first giving you scientific proof (because that's what you demand) of the phenomenon of mind over/without matter: scientificexploration. org . Nassam Haramein. Carl Jung. David Wilcock. armageddonconspiracy / The Strangest Truth . Graham Hancock. Steven Greer. And countless others. It's already long been proven by empirical science,but stupid scientists make stupid hypothesises
@BastEternal "Nope...the claims of others and websites aren't proof of anything." So now I have to PROOF the phenomenon of mind over matter? Woman, what are you smoking? Quantum physics is bursting with proof of this. What classical outdated physics are you absorbing? And no, I'm not gonna present you a link to this: YOU SEARCH FOR IT YOURSELF, lazy ass.
@BastEternal The question however is: To be or not to be.In other words, in order to get back to the "Source" (beyond time/space, the vacuum, God), 2 paths can be taken. The path of being, vs the path of non-being. Being (right-hand path) is based on self-transcendance/unity (True Self master of ego) and thus reaches the Source through Everything/Omega. While non-being (left-hand path) is based on self-denial/separation (ego master of True Self) and reaches it through Nothing/Alpha.
A bunch of new age pseudo-intellectual psycho-babble nonsense right out of a philosophy book. You can't honestly think I'm going to take you seriously.....
@BastEternal "A bunch of new age pseudo-intellectual psycho-babble nonsense right out of a philosophy book. You can't honestly think I'm going to take you seriously....." Like I expected to be taken serious from a woman (??) with an intellectual ego problem. I know the drill: mock, mock, mock... --> "I win!! You're an idiot!", The information presented never even enters your logical brain if it don't fit within your current belief system (atheism atm). Why else resort to mocking?
@BastEternal I also did not say that you're a depressed person or anything,I simply said that since you're an atheist (as opposed to an agnostic/gnostic/deist/theist),you have subscribed to the belief system that "God does not exist",so you're still acting on faith,instead of just having an open mind,like agnostics.And what is the opposite of "God": "nothing".So atheism is reverse nihilism.And there's nothing wrong with that, since nothing and everything lead to the same source
@BastEternal I also like to point out that I'm not saying that you have "chosen not to be", only that your belief system is more 'tuned to' not-being than being.
@nielss4 You are clueless about my so called "belief system" because I have not shared with you what my belief system is. You haven't even asked so what makes you think you can you sit there and arrogantly think you know ANYTHING about what I'm "tuned to"?
You know nothing about me except that I'm atheist. I don't believe in gods. Beyond that you have no clue.
Atheism is NOT a belief system..if you erroneously think so, not my problem.
@nielss4 Links are useless in supporting your argument, especially when you haven't clearly presented one in the first place.
Besides, I'm not talking to a YT link, I'm talking to you. If you are unable to communicate your position clearly, then I am not going to waste my time with "links," yours or anyone else's.
I'm pretty sure you'd be like WTF if you had asked me a question or commented on a post I made and all I responded to you with was a YT link or some website.
@Tati7988 Proof around me? All I see proof of is the natural world. NOTHING suggests that this "god" is showing himself to everyone, unless what you're suggesting is that a tree is not really a tree, it's "god." Only the most gullible can be convinced of such things. Why are you being dishonest?
Let me tell you something, I was BORN into a christian sect. I believed in god and prayed to him for almost 20 years. I used to believe everything around me was proof "GOD" did it because the bible told me so.
So before you accuse me of not looking, you need to ask me if I ever did. And the answer is I HAVE looked and found NOTHING.
@BastEternal "I believed in god and prayed to him for almost 20 years."Why? Why would a complete/infinite being want something from you?Why would IT want your belief and prayers and dedication and worship?IT wouldn't, since it's already in completeness/infiniteness and doesn't desire any of our material and mental stuff. He/She only desires that we become like/rejoin Him/Her and thus co-create.The only being that demands our material and mental stuff is an anti-God, aka "the devil".
@nielss4 What part of "I believed...BELIEVED in god" didn't you understand? It's called past tense..speaking to me as if your words have any real meaning is pointless. Until you can provide proof and evidence of any of the stuff you're talking about, instead of presupposing the existence of this being or the devil, you might as well me talking about Zeus or Loki.
Even the Buddha grappled with the 'Creator God' idea (Ishvara) in his own search for truth. His conclusion: 'God' is little more than a side show, a distraction on the path to real enlightenment. Pondering the existence, meaning, purpose, attributes of a 'Creator' leads to endless and fruitless speculation. He even labeled 'God' a scoundrel for allowing human suffering to exist. And yet we are supposed to believe that the Buddha is now in league with ascended masters who are pushing this crap.
Quantum mechanics proves God. There are you happy now!
Today the scientists agree that the protons and electrons in molecules are held together by light(photons). Therefore if this "light" did not exist then matter could not exist. What did God create first in the Bible? Gen 1:3 states God created light before matter. The Bible further explains that the the things we can see are made up of things we cannot see, since microscopes did not exist at that time, in Hebrews 11: 1,3 and Romans 1:19-20.
Quantum mechanics proves quantum mechanics. It's the same as saying "hey, look at the trees and the ocean, god MUST exist" No, trees and the ocean (both mentioned in the bible) prove that trees and the ocean exists.
The only thing that can prove the existence of god is god.
LOL! What an utterly fallacious video. This guy literally cripples his own argument, using his own premise.
0:50 - Wrong. There's plenty God could do to satisfy evidence req's. And even if some dismissed supernatural phenomena that was indisputable, the vast majority would not. Which invalidates this argument.
2:03 - Yes, in this context it is God. He isn't forcing me to watch the video, but (presupposing he exists) he DOES threaten you with eternal hellfire if you don't do what he says.
Your "god' showed himself to Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, the children of Israel, Solomon, David, Jesus, Saul and George Bush.....
I'd say your argument is just a bit flawed. I don't think he's worried about violating anyone's free will. He only seems to exist in the minds of fictional saints and madmen!
Maybe by proving this universe exists you would be providing undeniable proof that God exists... Half the lobotomized monkies out there wouldn't recognize God is he was all around us.
9/11 was commited by man not god. We are all beings of free will, why would god give us free will on the one hand and take it away from us when something is "bad" in his opinion. Fact is god doesn't have an opinion on what is bad or what is good, that is a human made construct, something is only bad or good relative to what you perceive as being good. If you like to open a door and the door can't open then it does not forfil its purpose and is perceived as being faulty.
:) it doesn't matter what we "fucked up" people believe, try to find reality yourself and tell me how your doing because I can tell you that you wont find it untill you trash the ego you wrote this comment with that is certain. The older you get you will see that your perception on life and the world has always changed, the world stayed the same but still for you it changed this is because you destort reality.
If you cannot see that you are distorting reality then that's your first delusion, keep in mind im not exempting myself from delusion I know I am still deluded. One way of knowing that you are deluded is by recognizing that everyone sees reality diffrently, this you can accept, right? And this means no body sees reality as it is because if people saw it as it was we wouldn't argue about things we would all know. The question is now, what is that reality and how can I find it?
And btw, who's talkin about a man? I understand you reject god because your notion of god is rediculous.
You can endure pain for a very long time, but pain has it's limits and when you reach that limit you will do the only thing left to do and come back home. Most people are deluded, they have sperated themselves from the world and from their brothers, pain ensues and world conflict is the result, you cannot possibly believe people are sane, so you must find what sanity is.
Ifyou want peace and your actions objectivly are observed to counter peace then your actions could be called "bad"for that purpose.Lets say the killer of your mother stands infront of you and you hold a gun to his head, would you perceive it to be bad to kill him or good?You could justify your actions to yourself and believe that you did a good thing when in the eyes of a diffrent person it could be seen as bad.Its only a matter of perspective and polarity is subjective,nonexistant
Why God does not exist" is simply an attempt to discredit or disprove an existing God.. Same as saying "Why fairytales do not exist," actually they exist in the hearts of so many little kids, except that "adults" know that they are not consistent. Existence and consistence are not the same.
"Why God cannot exist" is a skeptic reasoning that neither aproves nor disproves God...
"Why God must not exist" is a bogus reasoning that defies logic because at the end of the day, its just an opinion.
Words, titles classifications and the like are the never ending motifs of human interaction; better said... our refusal to simply let individualism and inner beauty shine through.
Something truthful and or factual must be dissectible ...if any of its parts remain confusing then doubt its validity. However some things cannot be explained and becomes a matter of conjecture/belief… "Not a matter of fact"!!
When contemplating truth… inventiveness, creativity and imagination are far more important than wisdom, reason and intelligence as the latter three defines what we currently know and hinders further investigation; believe those who seek truth... doubt those who find it.
I think God already showed us an undeniable truth that he exists. Do you remember when Virgin Mary showed up in Fatima that more than one hundred thousand people witnessed the miracle?
I think God showed us an undeniable truth you are talking about. Have you forgotten Mother Mary showed up in Fatima that more than one hundred thousand people witness the miracle?
Sir Just I would like to give you some prove please think and listen what i am saying, At first creation including your exit and perfect creation and another proof that on this earth which is live The holy book of Quran and this challenge for humanity to make like this book or make a chapter like Quran.
so read the book and obsereve, Please listen don't try to explain by science to people ,we know about science.
@IntenseUniverse "GOD" is more like an element or ingredient necessary for life; actually ..."THE INGREDIENT!!" - to explain beyond that, would be me talking out my asset!!
He could just speak to all of us at the same time. That way there is no way anybody can deny his existence. Now, why doesn't god do that? He is not real thats why.
He dones'n because he can't! But he always seems to be trying to prove that he exist. check out Bible, Koran etc.. you will come to know how desperate he is proving himself.
I think that the people mentioned in the Bible had better reasons to believe than the people of today. Assuming that the things in the Bible are true. I don't assume this, but really think about that.
@Milesy1818 The Bible is a Bronze Age book of myth. After the unicorns and talking animals and men walking on the water and a 600 year old goat herder building a Titanic out of desert shrubs, the Prince rides up on his White Horse, rescues the princess and takes her away to live happily ever after in his mansion in the sky. Only those inside the delusion can take this seriously. To everyone else it is obviously a fairy tale. Be free.
sir you fail if god exist he has the power to prove he is real and thats it but he is not going to do that why?because he is not real,you are giving misleading information.good day sir
God has already proven himself alive through His creation. Even more to that, He has performed miracles and wonders. But what is even more to this is that He has proven himself through Jesus Christ, His only begotten son to die for my sins on the cross. Then He has proven himself alive through Jesus Christ's resurrection, and He still proves himself alive through the promised gift from God, Holy Spirit.
God has already proven himself alive through His creation. Even more to that, He has performed miracles and wonders. But what is even more to this is that He has proven himself through Jesus Christ, His only begotten son to die for my sins on the cross. Then He has proven himself alive through Jesus Christ's resurrection, and He still proves himself alive through the promised gift from God, Holy Spirit.
@dongjinmoon is god on a 4-7 thousand year miracle cycle?! Why can't he do it now? I'm sure the millions in Darfur and the victims of the Haitian and South American earthquakes would LOVE his DIRECT intervention. Please.
God also says he would also bring the Jews back to Israel. does that year 1948 ring a bell in your ear. He also has vowed to never let Israel be taken over by its enemies again. I think the Arab/Israeli War was some good proof considering that the Israelis were outnumbered 100-1. How about God telling Daniel there would be a knowledge explosion. We rode horses for centuries now we have cars and planes.
@fightingbaboon please provide me chpt and verse where it states the jewish and knowledge thing. Furthermore, Daniel being "informed" about the future being more complex is not special. Any rational or wise person in any society may have deduced that - your argument is not in any way compelling. Its like predicting that an earthquake, eclipse, or tsunami will happen - it's based on knowledge of how the world works. Sorry.
THat example does not make sense. People who are interested in this topic and have proof either way would continue to watch this video for whatever reason. Sorta like people who always volunteer or see sci-fi movies. It's a matter of freely choosing things that you are already predisposed to be interested in. FAIL
@GateMessenger "no one told you to be interested"....How do you know? Ever heard of referral(s) passive or active? For example, when you google a topic no tells you to CHOOSE on a specific link, but based on the interest (i.e. predisposition) in the topic for what ever reason, you may go to it...Back to your statement, no one told me to be an atheist either, but my predisposition for find truth - let me to it.
You atheists are crazy. What do you think God is gonna reveal himself to the world so he can prove you wrong. God doesn't reveal himself because if he did, then everyone would be like "oh yeah he does exist, I guess i wont murder because I want to go to heaven". NO, he wants people to have faith. Surely you would want to life a life knowing it means something and at the chance find out it was a lie, but oh wait you wouldn't find out because you wouldn't exist if your dead
@Milesy1818 that does not answer the any question. That allows you to feel special for believing something that there is no proof of. In regular life, you would not operation like that - so why here?
God does exist and He has given us proofs. Moses dividing the Red Sea, Jesus being born to virgin Marystory of Moses and Aaron:Gnats and flies, all the livestock got sick and died, the Egyptians were covered in sores, hail came down and killed all the crops, locusts came and ate all the grass and everything green, and then there was complete darkness. God kept the israelites safe, and put a pretend wall around them so NONE OF the plagues could come to them
@fightingbaboon Leprechauns do exist They have given us "proofs". Walking over rainbows, the magic of the pot of gold, the 4 leaf clover... so THERE!!!!!
Do you think quoting a story to prove it true makes sense to you? Is it rational to say my story is true & point at a pic of a leprechaun on a cereal box? No? Then wtf makes you think saying god is real then pointing at a bible makes sense?
@fightingbaboon there is no extra biblical account of that happening. Not by the Egyptions, ethiopians, syrians, babylonians, greeks or any other group in the ancient world attesting to this "fact"
GOD demands no worship nor requires a savior to align us as a worthy entity as all elements are a part of the whole. When controlling/moralistic/judgmental elements come into GODs realm it then becomes Mans Will a means to control his world and reign supreme over his planet and people as its master!!!
"Believe nothing just because a wise person says it, because something is generally held, because its told in ancient books, because its told as having divine origin or just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself examine and weigh to be true" - Buddha
@discussdebate Buddhism is one of many roads to Hell. Jesus is the ONLY Way to Heaven. We have to put our faith solely in Him and what He did at the cross, period.
@porkyo123 ...Jesus was a man, no man ever was nor ever will be GOD!! Something truthful and or factual must be dissectible ...if any of its parts remain confusing then doubt its validity. However some things cannot be explained and becomes a matter of conjecture/belief… "Not a matter of fact"!! Believe what you will yet if I can't sit at a table with you and enjoy your company because we believe differently... then there is something wrong with your "Belief System"
@porkyo123 ...you said, "The problem is___!!!" ...I see no problem just a difference of what's on the others plate. No one ever has to discuss what someone is eating; seriously why does anyone have to do something like that? Only you know the answer to that question. Which means you have no intent on sitting with me. Or maybe I simply misunderstood you... Hm??
@discussdebate Why Buddha & not Jesus? Did Buddha die for the sins of the world? Why should i believe you when yo say"Believe nothing just because some wise person said it"? How do rise above our original ancient wise people? And yes we can sit a the table and have a buffalo burger or a green smoothie which ever you prefer.
@porkyo123 Buddha wasn't established as anyone important other than I used a comment associated with him... thus the credit do. I could readily have used a Jesus quote yet I went with what was relevant for my thoughts at the time. - I might take you up a a Mexican Dish!! lol!! {:{D~
@discussdebate Next time think before you speak! LOL! As far as Mexican? I will have American Indian food and eat some buffalo. And for the vegetarians that might see this? I will have a double shot of wheatgrass . Desert will be kale green smoothie. LOL
@porkyo123 * Discuss, debate, maybe learn and or educate [or] ...simply agree to disagree!! It's all good to me!! BTW ...I'll pass on the meal(s) you've described!!
If God does exist (and I firmly believe he does), then the way by which he works would not be explainable by science. Think about it, he is the smartest entity to ever exist, and because he created life itself, no human would ever come even close to comprehending his actions, which are as many people say "in mysterious ways"
@FluidPlague Wrong. God is orderly and loving. And would want the creatures he create to use their "free will" to understand the grandness of "his" creation - furthering their mindless needless and adoration of "him"
Our will is as free as this:
2 Th.2:11-12 God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned. THANKS GOD!
@FluidPlague- Great point! Us trying to explain the creator is a joke. With our on who took carepunnie little brain we're lucky we can even discuss God. We use words to try and do it,and those words belong to him or her. Will all find out in the end or inthe end, lights out forever.OUCH! If this is all there is why was I ever here. And Im still looking for the answer ? Who took care of the first to babies on the earth? And if your answer is the guys in space ship,please don't comment.
You know what there is a phenomenon in the sky! There called stars, and moons, and planets and God placed each and everyone of them in the sky and He knows them all by name!
im 13 years ld and im here to tell you that God doesn't need to give us proof of his existence! its called FAITH! He gave his one and true only son Jesus Christ to die on the cross so that we could have a way of redemption and this is how you repay HIM! He gives us all clues with tthis magnificent earth that he created! God holds us together if u don't believe me then look up the protein molecule Laminin and tell the whole world what it looks like instead of asking God for more clues!
The same reason why Zeus and Santa Clause can't.... Because they are all fictional characters created and then embraced to make Humans feel less alone and vastly more important to the universe than we actually are... Religion is the ultimate in self-reinforced delusion and irrationality...
So maybe god cant provide undeniable proof of his existence (I actually think he could). Then he could still make it reasonable for people to believe in him right?
Lets say u are walking in a desert, and u look to your left, and see your name WRITTEN in the sand.....would u conclude that it was a COINCEDENCE? that the wind blew here and there and it just ended up looking like that?
No ofcourse not. Someone was obviously BEHIND that name writing.
Somthing as simple as a name writing in the sand cant happen by itself.
How then, can the vast, complicated universe come into existence on its own?
@mrafi094 two difference functions. Try how do believe in God and then don't when your older? Or why don't we need an appendix anymore? Or why do we get allergies later in life? Or how does bacteria and virus' become drug resistant?
Those functions are more akin to how the universe through an accumulation of events over time, changes or even stays the same.
Ofcourse the bible says that blind belief is a virtue. But ask yourself why this is. So he doesnt show himself, thats fine. But then he also shouldnt send people to hell for not believing.
@numbcore I have had the same question as you. Why does God send people to hell? Man creates hell on earth( war hunger Violence etc.) We have damned ourself on earth, it's not that God damns us to hell. It's that we have damned ourself already to hell. When we can't make a good life for ourselves on earth. How could we expect anything different in the future? But God has provided us a way out. All your answered questions are in the Bible.
@questioneverything8 Hunger isnt mainly our fault? People who live in Africa, their land is usually too dry to make food on. We try helping them, but maybe if Jesus would break a few fish again wed fix that problem.
Like the chapters on how to own slaves, what laws if broken should be punished by death (hint: all of them) that we have permision to kill non-believers and gentials and take their land.
@LucianUramu I'm not quite sure where your coming from with your comment. Yes, how to own slaves and how to act if you are a slave. Punishment of death to those who act in a way that isn't tolerated; from the perspective where life is eternal and abundant. As for permission to kill non-believers? I guess we will call that survival of the fittest.
@numbcore does the bible say that blind belief is a virtue or is that the interpretation given by fundamentalists. A course in miracles says: I give everything the meaning that it has for me ..... but for most people this is an unconscious process of simply recalling and applying what they have been programmed to believe which of course does not make it true.
@Aphex217Twin Makes no sense why APA professionals, psychiatrists, lead with the highest rate in suicides. What did they find? There is evidence but because of tenure was kept from public. Even Einstein found a universal consciousness. Think, what would a universal consciousness be? He didn't come out and say they found undeniable evidence that God was real, no, Einstein called his discovery a universal consciousness. The video is right, it is your "free will" or choice to believe in God or not.
@GateMessenger wrong again. Einstein did not believe in any God and certainly not a personal one. the "god" he was referencing to acknowledge the "grandness" of the universe - like africans and native americans acknowledging the "circle of life"
@ccollymore I did not refer to a personal God now did I? You do not know the empirical evidence uncovered. I too once thought the same thing until researching further. There truly is a universal consciousness governing all energy/ matter.
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No need to respond, I have no desire to change your opinions/beliefs using similes, only to state the facts!
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I was not wrong! Einstein did believe in Spinoza's God.
@GateMessenger that's very catty. Trying to make a point and then running. Well you will not have last word (yes I can be prick, and it seems to be justified here). What facts did you present? The context of Einstein's quote of the universal sprit (Spinoza's god), was due the the repeated attacks on his person by the Church and others for the developing the theory of relatively.
So the aforemetioned quote allowed him to save face and MODERATE his other comments of God being "Childlike". With that, please know I like facts too, but present be sure to present some.
@GateMessenger I guess you mess the above comment or spammed. But out of context I would be inaccurate, but within context - I am ABSOLUTELY correct. Thanks for playing.
And for the record, I acknowledged me being less than gracious in this exchange. I am able to see facts positive or not. Can you say the same?
@ccollymore I try and only see the facts, yet I do however interpret them differently than most. I guess that is my downfall, maybe not. Interpreting the facts is an art by itself. For instance, if you found a timeless action that happens at a distance what would you interpret that as? I see it as an action that happens in an instant defying the speed limit of light, see quantum entanglement. Vogelsang's device showed this action able to choose it's own thoughts, words, sentences, an entity?
.. A conscious one at that. If this is not evidence of a timeless entity then clearly you do not interpret the facts as I do. Einstein too knew of this experiment, according to Vogelsang the department of defense deemed it classified, there was a reason that Einstein believed in a universal consciousness. I believe Einstein interpreted those facts as I did.
@GateMessenger biocentric universe theory? Anyway, what is a timeless action? Actions are the basic function of time and vice versa - that's why there has not been a way to replicate a absolute zero scenerio. Again - don't know much about this vogelsang's device.
Giving us evidence, or appearing before us wouldn't violate our freewill, or turn us into robots. My best friend doesn't avoid answering the phone when I call, for fear that giving me evidence that he exists would turn me into a robot.
@Aphex217Twin i think what the man in the video was saying was that if god gave you UNDENIABLE proof of his existance, it would be taking away your free will. and he doesnt mean something that you could with a bit of work discard, he means there is no physical way you could not believe in god. i think that would be cruel, therefore god doesn't do it because he wants us to believe on our own choices.
So then if my best friend calls me up, and I answer the phone, then I'm being cruel because I'm giving my best friend no choice but to believe I exist, and then he instantly becomes a robot incapable of being a good friend? Why is belief that something or somebody exists such a big idea? In order to love God it seems like you'd have to know that he actually exists first. There are an infinite # of different Gods I could convince myself to believe so why should I just pick one at random?
@Goddaughter182 That's a better argument than most, but falls short when it you think that God is love. If he is, you would want to make sure all his "children" are saved. If showing himself would ensure that, or rather, increase the amount of saved souls - why wouldn't he do it?
Do souls have free will in heaven? If they do what's stopping them from sinning in the afterlife? After all, if they spend eternity there the probability of that happening approaches 1
If u read the holy bible u will understand that God do exist. U know Adam And Eve. God made them in the picture of himshelfe, and he gave them a free will, and he told them to not eat of the apple three. But the devil in the body of a snake tricked Eve and she eate of the applethree. U ask where do the devil come from? Well the devil was created by God, the devil uset to be good, but he got jelus over gods creation of the human. So God kicked out the devil from heaven.
No we wont. Believe me if OVERNIGHT or before our eyes with cameras rolling, a giant mountain turned into a giant 5000ft statue of a hot dog robbing a lemonade stand with the words, I DO EXIST.
Believe, me.... Everybody would acknowlege that as undeniable proof.
So STFU you retarded theist with your obvious attempt do dodge a reasonable question.
God doesn't prove His/Her existence because to do so would eliminate the need for us to reconcile things which can be proven with things which cannot. Our mind and heart is often conflicted because some things we know for certain while others are known through feeling. Until you can reconcile faith with reason and insist on choosing one over the other you are not a whole man but a one who is split into two halves. Integration of all things, good and bad, opposing things, is key here.
"ALWAYS KEEP CHRIST FIRST IN YOUR DAY AND YOU WILL HAVE A GLORIOUS DAY"! That's not meaning there will be some bumps along the way, BUT HE IS ALWAYS THERE TO PICK YOU UP, HE never gives up on us, it's just sometimes we give up on him! He's always just a PRAYER away-Try IT......IT WORKS!!!
What you pray for you might not necessarly get - IT'S HIS WILL, that's why you pray, Jesus-YOUR WILL BE DONE! He has put you here for a reason, BE PATIENT and He will show you the way!!
His silence speaks well about his imaginary nature.
Those with personal experiences about gods are simply schyzophrenics imho. At least untill anyone can verify those experiences individually.
I wonder where is this guy pulling all that bullcrap disguised as science if not out of his ass... If god is so obvious, why can't we have a damn conclusive proof? That's right, because it's not obvious. To be honest, its actually pretty stupid.
As a little girl bought up a Catholic I was given no free will. I was oppressed and brain washed. God is a human invention and he is cruel ammoral and vandictive. I find life magical and meaningful without the a sky daddy. How can this man say he knows what the purpose is? What absolute ROT.
god isn't religion..god is a spiritual bond..religion is irrelevant when it comes to god..making hell irrelevant.
now, what do u rely on to confirm fact/truth/reality? your 5 senses..now the 6th sense for some is just as profound as the 5 senses..so we get to a point where if u call the 6th sense an illusion, u must be willing to also call our 5 senses an illusion, as many experience all 6 equally as profoundly..it ultimtely comes to the final point..reality is direct personal experience.
just like people can deny anything they see, people can also try to explain anything they see as an act of god... im just trying to say it can work either way
the idea of god is like looking at a closed box with a cat in it, you do not know from looking at the closed box that there is a cat inside, the fact that ive told you there is a cat inside is all you rely on. when you open the box to PROVE that the cat may or may not be inside the box, then and only then will you know the truth.
apply this to the idea of god.
anyone has the opportunity to believe what they want.
2) He knows how to make us believe in him and has the power to do it
3) I don't believe in god
Conclusion: God does not exist OR God will convince me before I die OR God is not omnipotent/omniscient
Freewill does not factor into this discussion at all, because even if you have full knowledge that God exists, you can rebel his will. Therefore freewill is not compromised.
lepercuans are not like god..if lepercuans existed, they would be tangible and materialistic..god is not..god is intangible and only reliant on the human minds 6th sense.
If we don't ask questions we don't advance... if we ask questions about life, it allows us to improve our ethical and moral standards over time... If we had always just "live our lives", we would still be in the stone ages on these fronts.
it's true that if we don't ask questions we don't advance but there's no answer for the reason of life. the idea of "reasons" are just something humans invented.
In order to assert that there is evidence of "God" you must first define what God is. Is the Aurora Borealis "God"? Or is it a natural phenomenon stemming from magnetic fields and charged particles? I'm sure that the ancients saw it as God at one time. You can call it whatever you want, but it ceases to BE God when we have a plausible understanding of the mechanism causing any unknown phenomenon. Just because it's unknown NOW...doesn't mean it will always be unknown.
Great, not the invisible realm of "other frequencies" story... Why cant they just get it through there heads ~ if it cant be demonstrated it is'nt there, why waste any more time. Oh ya there is good story, if god were to show up it would violate our Free will,,, But Yet its a "SIN" to have free will because adam & eve ate from the tree of knowledge,, can they ever get this damned story sraight??
karlbuttler 3 weeks ago
Do sheep have god(s) like humans do?
PS: Insects are more numerous, they must be having plenty of insect gods n insect satans.
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youneekk 3 months ago
A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.' - Jesus Christ.
The 'sign of Jonah' is the 3 days in the whale's belly before being saved - the sign Jesus then gave was 3 days in the grave before being resurrected - this was the sign - and what an amazing one it was!
There will therefore be no more 'signs' until the end comes.
So stop all asking 'Where's Jesus?', 'Where's proof?' No sign is to be given!
We live by faith!
RUKEAL 7 months ago
@RUKEAL - strange that yahweh tells the israelites that they're SUPPOSED to look for signs, then along comes jesus and tells them they're evil for doing what yahweh told them to do
GodsArePeopleToo 7 months ago
do u like it when people tempt you? Surely He doesn't. God shows Himself to everyone. Ask people who experienced His presence. You want to see Him, go to church. The closes you get to Him, the closer He gets to you. Rather than trying to prove that He doesn't exist, try finding proof that He does. People are foolish not to see Him. Right and wrong didn't come out of nowhere. Why do they exist? There's a reason for everything. & that reason is God.
Tati7988 8 months ago
pepole think that they need proof to believe
megafireku 8 months ago
How do you know that He doesn't give undeniable proof? Undenyable proof removes free will because everyone would be forced to believe in God, even if they don't want to.
messianicreformer 8 months ago
How do you know that He doesn't give undeniable proof?
messianicreformer 8 months ago
God proves himself everyday. All you have to do is open your eyes!
zippu92 10 months ago
@zippu92 What do you mean by "open your eyes"? My eyes are open and I see no evidence that a god, ANY god, exists.
Are you suggesting that everything around me is proof of god? Nature? birds? a blue sky? a turtle? earthquakes? disease? murder? rape? No, those things are proof of those things, not a god.
BastEternal 10 months ago
@BastEternal God is trying to show Himself to everyone. There is proof all around you. But if you choose to be stubborn/hardheaded, what's the point of Him trying to prove to you that He exists if you don't even bother to look.
Tati7988 8 months ago
@Tati7988 "God is trying to show Himself to everyone."
Wow, this god, who is supposed to be able to do anything, can't even do this simple thing as collectively convince EVERYONE he exists. I find it funny that your god's proof of existence is contingent on me actually looking - in fact, that means your god has limited powers.
I mean really, this is GOD you're talking about - wouldn't it be in his power to actually be able to convince EVERYONE he exists without us having to look?
BastEternal 8 months ago
@BastEternal Do you even know what God is? A state of consciousness which was before the universe and which the universe strives to re-attain. Space-time material dimensional/dualistic universe: Unconsciousness (chemical life) --> consciousness (biological life) --> self-consciousness (we) --> hyper-consciousness (spiritual beings) --> God-consciousness: outside space/time. mental dimensionless universe, thus everything is one, thus everything is God. Blaming God is blaming yourself
nielss4 1 month ago in playlist Kim Michaels
@nielss4 Your interpretation of "god" is one of millions..meaningless. It's as cooky as any other I've read or heard.
Next!
BastEternal 1 month ago
@BastEternal It appears your disappointment with stupid mainstream christianity (based on 'everything without proof' has caused you to become slave to the opposite extremism/polarity: the (un)scientific dogma of materialism, based on 'nothing outside proof'). It's pathetic really... You're like a ball kicked from religion to nihilism (and don't tell me atheism isn't nihilism, cus a belief in no God (aka 'everything') = a belief in the opposite of God: 'nothing'.) and vice versa..
nielss4 1 month ago
@nielss4
I love how you think you can judge me and tell me what I think. I love how you assume I'm "disappointed" with "stupid mainstream christianity" when I said nothing of the sort. And I love, LOVE, how you think I believe in nothing because I don't believe in gods. And nihilism? That's another laugh!
Anyway, I have better things to do with my time than to respond to assumptions about how I think. You need to learn how to speak for yourself, and not for others.
Toodles!
BastEternal 1 month ago
@BastEternal But I understand that I can only help you by first giving you scientific proof (because that's what you demand) of the phenomenon of mind over/without matter: scientificexploration. org . Nassam Haramein. Carl Jung. David Wilcock. armageddonconspiracy / The Strangest Truth . Graham Hancock. Steven Greer. And countless others. It's already long been proven by empirical science,but stupid scientists make stupid hypothesises
nielss4 1 month ago
@nielss4 Nope...the claims of others and websites aren't proof of anything. Try again.
BastEternal 1 month ago
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@BastEternal "Nope...the claims of others and websites aren't proof of anything." So now I have to PROOF the phenomenon of mind over matter? Woman, what are you smoking? Quantum physics is bursting with proof of this. What classical outdated physics are you absorbing? And no, I'm not gonna present you a link to this: YOU SEARCH FOR IT YOURSELF, lazy ass.
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nielss4 1 month ago
@BastEternal The question however is: To be or not to be.In other words, in order to get back to the "Source" (beyond time/space, the vacuum, God), 2 paths can be taken. The path of being, vs the path of non-being. Being (right-hand path) is based on self-transcendance/unity (True Self master of ego) and thus reaches the Source through Everything/Omega. While non-being (left-hand path) is based on self-denial/separation (ego master of True Self) and reaches it through Nothing/Alpha.
nielss4 1 month ago
@nielss4
A bunch of new age pseudo-intellectual psycho-babble nonsense right out of a philosophy book. You can't honestly think I'm going to take you seriously.....
BastEternal 1 month ago
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@BastEternal "A bunch of new age pseudo-intellectual psycho-babble nonsense right out of a philosophy book. You can't honestly think I'm going to take you seriously....." Like I expected to be taken serious from a woman (??) with an intellectual ego problem. I know the drill: mock, mock, mock... --> "I win!! You're an idiot!", The information presented never even enters your logical brain if it don't fit within your current belief system (atheism atm). Why else resort to mocking?
nielss4 1 month ago
@BastEternal
It's real difficult arguing with these religious morons. They just can't get out of their fairy tale comfort zone.
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@BastEternal I also did not say that you're a depressed person or anything,I simply said that since you're an atheist (as opposed to an agnostic/gnostic/deist/theist),you have subscribed to the belief system that "God does not exist",so you're still acting on faith,instead of just having an open mind,like agnostics.And what is the opposite of "God": "nothing".So atheism is reverse nihilism.And there's nothing wrong with that, since nothing and everything lead to the same source
nielss4 1 month ago
@BastEternal I also like to point out that I'm not saying that you have "chosen not to be", only that your belief system is more 'tuned to' not-being than being.
nielss4 1 month ago
@nielss4 You are clueless about my so called "belief system" because I have not shared with you what my belief system is. You haven't even asked so what makes you think you can you sit there and arrogantly think you know ANYTHING about what I'm "tuned to"?
You know nothing about me except that I'm atheist. I don't believe in gods. Beyond that you have no clue.
Atheism is NOT a belief system..if you erroneously think so, not my problem.
BastEternal 1 month ago
@BastEternal youtube.com/watch?v=L9aNl0J8-lo
nielss4 1 month ago
@nielss4 Links are useless in supporting your argument, especially when you haven't clearly presented one in the first place.
Besides, I'm not talking to a YT link, I'm talking to you. If you are unable to communicate your position clearly, then I am not going to waste my time with "links," yours or anyone else's.
I'm pretty sure you'd be like WTF if you had asked me a question or commented on a post I made and all I responded to you with was a YT link or some website.
Not interested
BastEternal 1 month ago
@Tati7988 Proof around me? All I see proof of is the natural world. NOTHING suggests that this "god" is showing himself to everyone, unless what you're suggesting is that a tree is not really a tree, it's "god." Only the most gullible can be convinced of such things. Why are you being dishonest?
BastEternal 8 months ago
@Tati7988 "if you don't even bother to look."
And you know this information how, exactly?
Let me tell you something, I was BORN into a christian sect. I believed in god and prayed to him for almost 20 years. I used to believe everything around me was proof "GOD" did it because the bible told me so.
So before you accuse me of not looking, you need to ask me if I ever did. And the answer is I HAVE looked and found NOTHING.
BastEternal 8 months ago
@BastEternal "I believed in god and prayed to him for almost 20 years."Why? Why would a complete/infinite being want something from you?Why would IT want your belief and prayers and dedication and worship?IT wouldn't, since it's already in completeness/infiniteness and doesn't desire any of our material and mental stuff. He/She only desires that we become like/rejoin Him/Her and thus co-create.The only being that demands our material and mental stuff is an anti-God, aka "the devil".
nielss4 1 month ago in playlist Kim Michaels
@nielss4 What part of "I believed...BELIEVED in god" didn't you understand? It's called past tense..speaking to me as if your words have any real meaning is pointless. Until you can provide proof and evidence of any of the stuff you're talking about, instead of presupposing the existence of this being or the devil, you might as well me talking about Zeus or Loki.
BastEternal 1 month ago
Even the Buddha grappled with the 'Creator God' idea (Ishvara) in his own search for truth. His conclusion: 'God' is little more than a side show, a distraction on the path to real enlightenment. Pondering the existence, meaning, purpose, attributes of a 'Creator' leads to endless and fruitless speculation. He even labeled 'God' a scoundrel for allowing human suffering to exist. And yet we are supposed to believe that the Buddha is now in league with ascended masters who are pushing this crap.
stargate153 10 months ago
Quantum mechanics proves God. There are you happy now!
Today the scientists agree that the protons and electrons in molecules are held together by light(photons). Therefore if this "light" did not exist then matter could not exist. What did God create first in the Bible? Gen 1:3 states God created light before matter. The Bible further explains that the the things we can see are made up of things we cannot see, since microscopes did not exist at that time, in Hebrews 11: 1,3 and Romans 1:19-20.
ravenwda007 1 year ago
@ravenwda007
Quantum mechanics proves quantum mechanics. It's the same as saying "hey, look at the trees and the ocean, god MUST exist" No, trees and the ocean (both mentioned in the bible) prove that trees and the ocean exists.
The only thing that can prove the existence of god is god.
BastEternal 10 months ago
2:35 - He already has violated it; the threat of hell is equitable to the gun. Whether or not he proves he exists is totally inconsequential.
3:00 - Another fallacy. Just because a large number of people believe something does not mean it is true.
5:55 - LOL. 'It's just so obvious." Wow, what a compelling argument you have there.
6:00+ - all baseless babble.
Also, free will is a violation of logic. Cause and effect dictate it is a literal impossibility. Get over it you loons.
Vire70 1 year ago
LOL! What an utterly fallacious video. This guy literally cripples his own argument, using his own premise.
0:50 - Wrong. There's plenty God could do to satisfy evidence req's. And even if some dismissed supernatural phenomena that was indisputable, the vast majority would not. Which invalidates this argument.
2:03 - Yes, in this context it is God. He isn't forcing me to watch the video, but (presupposing he exists) he DOES threaten you with eternal hellfire if you don't do what he says.
Vire70 1 year ago
Bullshit!
Your "god' showed himself to Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, the children of Israel, Solomon, David, Jesus, Saul and George Bush.....
I'd say your argument is just a bit flawed. I don't think he's worried about violating anyone's free will. He only seems to exist in the minds of fictional saints and madmen!
speerdali 1 year ago 2
Maybe by proving this universe exists you would be providing undeniable proof that God exists... Half the lobotomized monkies out there wouldn't recognize God is he was all around us.
GeneralMayhem333 1 year ago
OH!!!! where was god when they attacked on 9/11!???? well who's undeniable now!!! you have to be 1 dumb head to believe in god or dog
pompei1968 1 year ago
@pompei1968
9/11 was commited by man not god. We are all beings of free will, why would god give us free will on the one hand and take it away from us when something is "bad" in his opinion. Fact is god doesn't have an opinion on what is bad or what is good, that is a human made construct, something is only bad or good relative to what you perceive as being good. If you like to open a door and the door can't open then it does not forfil its purpose and is perceived as being faulty.
colloredbrothers 1 year ago
@colloredbrothers Yeah, thats called reality. LMAO. Fuck your made up god people!
ElectricEyeJP 1 year ago
@ElectricEyeJP
:) it doesn't matter what we "fucked up" people believe, try to find reality yourself and tell me how your doing because I can tell you that you wont find it untill you trash the ego you wrote this comment with that is certain. The older you get you will see that your perception on life and the world has always changed, the world stayed the same but still for you it changed this is because you destort reality.
colloredbrothers 1 year ago
@colloredbrothers im not distorting reality, im living it. Im not brainless enough to believe in a magical man living in the clouds.
ElectricEyeJP 1 year ago
@ElectricEyeJP
If you cannot see that you are distorting reality then that's your first delusion, keep in mind im not exempting myself from delusion I know I am still deluded. One way of knowing that you are deluded is by recognizing that everyone sees reality diffrently, this you can accept, right? And this means no body sees reality as it is because if people saw it as it was we wouldn't argue about things we would all know. The question is now, what is that reality and how can I find it?
colloredbrothers 1 year ago
@ElectricEyeJP
And btw, who's talkin about a man? I understand you reject god because your notion of god is rediculous.
You can endure pain for a very long time, but pain has it's limits and when you reach that limit you will do the only thing left to do and come back home. Most people are deluded, they have sperated themselves from the world and from their brothers, pain ensues and world conflict is the result, you cannot possibly believe people are sane, so you must find what sanity is.
colloredbrothers 1 year ago
@pompei1968
Ifyou want peace and your actions objectivly are observed to counter peace then your actions could be called "bad"for that purpose.Lets say the killer of your mother stands infront of you and you hold a gun to his head, would you perceive it to be bad to kill him or good?You could justify your actions to yourself and believe that you did a good thing when in the eyes of a diffrent person it could be seen as bad.Its only a matter of perspective and polarity is subjective,nonexistant
colloredbrothers 1 year ago
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Why God does not exist" is simply an attempt to discredit or disprove an existing God.. Same as saying "Why fairytales do not exist," actually they exist in the hearts of so many little kids, except that "adults" know that they are not consistent. Existence and consistence are not the same.
"Why God cannot exist" is a skeptic reasoning that neither aproves nor disproves God...
"Why God must not exist" is a bogus reasoning that defies logic because at the end of the day, its just an opinion.
eltopus4747 1 year ago
Words, titles classifications and the like are the never ending motifs of human interaction; better said... our refusal to simply let individualism and inner beauty shine through.
discussdebate 1 year ago
Something truthful and or factual must be dissectible ...if any of its parts remain confusing then doubt its validity. However some things cannot be explained and becomes a matter of conjecture/belief… "Not a matter of fact"!!
discussdebate 1 year ago
When contemplating truth… inventiveness, creativity and imagination are far more important than wisdom, reason and intelligence as the latter three defines what we currently know and hinders further investigation; believe those who seek truth... doubt those who find it.
discussdebate 1 year ago
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I think God already showed us an undeniable truth that he exists. Do you remember when Virgin Mary showed up in Fatima that more than one hundred thousand people witnessed the miracle?
kokoymontinegro 1 year ago
@kokoymontinegro K, now prove that it actually happened? Oh, whats that? Because the bible says so? Ignorant fool
Twigge125 2 weeks ago
I think God showed us an undeniable truth you are talking about. Have you forgotten Mother Mary showed up in Fatima that more than one hundred thousand people witness the miracle?
kokoymontinegro 1 year ago
believe nothing you hear half of what you see and bs about the rest
gburse12 1 year ago
If the evidence given to us by god is undeniable... Its, well.... "Undeniable"
ObscurelyUnkown 1 year ago
Hello
Sir Just I would like to give you some prove please think and listen what i am saying, At first creation including your exit and perfect creation and another proof that on this earth which is live The holy book of Quran and this challenge for humanity to make like this book or make a chapter like Quran.
so read the book and obsereve, Please listen don't try to explain by science to people ,we know about science.
MrShadeq 1 year ago
god is a joke
IntenseUniverse 1 year ago
@IntenseUniverse "GOD" is more like an element or ingredient necessary for life; actually ..."THE INGREDIENT!!" - to explain beyond that, would be me talking out my asset!!
discussdebate 1 year ago
He could just speak to all of us at the same time. That way there is no way anybody can deny his existence. Now, why doesn't god do that? He is not real thats why.
miguenada 1 year ago
He dones'n because he can't! But he always seems to be trying to prove that he exist. check out Bible, Koran etc.. you will come to know how desperate he is proving himself.
haroon80st 1 year ago
I think that the people mentioned in the Bible had better reasons to believe than the people of today. Assuming that the things in the Bible are true. I don't assume this, but really think about that.
amberview30 1 year ago
The Weason!
yeb0i 1 year ago
Nobody care that you don't believe in God, why be a complete loser and post it... get a life.
Milesy1818 1 year ago
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Imaginefree69 1 year ago
sir you fail if god exist he has the power to prove he is real and thats it but he is not going to do that why?because he is not real,you are giving misleading information.good day sir
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God has already proven himself alive through His creation. Even more to that, He has performed miracles and wonders. But what is even more to this is that He has proven himself through Jesus Christ, His only begotten son to die for my sins on the cross. Then He has proven himself alive through Jesus Christ's resurrection, and He still proves himself alive through the promised gift from God, Holy Spirit.
dongjinmoon 1 year ago
God has already proven himself alive through His creation. Even more to that, He has performed miracles and wonders. But what is even more to this is that He has proven himself through Jesus Christ, His only begotten son to die for my sins on the cross. Then He has proven himself alive through Jesus Christ's resurrection, and He still proves himself alive through the promised gift from God, Holy Spirit.
dongjinmoon 1 year ago
@dongjinmoon is god on a 4-7 thousand year miracle cycle?! Why can't he do it now? I'm sure the millions in Darfur and the victims of the Haitian and South American earthquakes would LOVE his DIRECT intervention. Please.
ccollymore 1 year ago
God also says he would also bring the Jews back to Israel. does that year 1948 ring a bell in your ear. He also has vowed to never let Israel be taken over by its enemies again. I think the Arab/Israeli War was some good proof considering that the Israelis were outnumbered 100-1. How about God telling Daniel there would be a knowledge explosion. We rode horses for centuries now we have cars and planes.
fightingbaboon 1 year ago
@fightingbaboon please provide me chpt and verse where it states the jewish and knowledge thing. Furthermore, Daniel being "informed" about the future being more complex is not special. Any rational or wise person in any society may have deduced that - your argument is not in any way compelling. Its like predicting that an earthquake, eclipse, or tsunami will happen - it's based on knowledge of how the world works. Sorry.
ccollymore 1 year ago
THat example does not make sense. People who are interested in this topic and have proof either way would continue to watch this video for whatever reason. Sorta like people who always volunteer or see sci-fi movies. It's a matter of freely choosing things that you are already predisposed to be interested in. FAIL
ccollymore 1 year ago
@ccollymore Your interest is because of free will, no one told you to be interested.
GateMessenger 1 year ago
@GateMessenger "no one told you to be interested"....How do you know? Ever heard of referral(s) passive or active? For example, when you google a topic no tells you to CHOOSE on a specific link, but based on the interest (i.e. predisposition) in the topic for what ever reason, you may go to it...Back to your statement, no one told me to be an atheist either, but my predisposition for find truth - let me to it.
ccollymore 1 year ago
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You atheists are crazy. What do you think God is gonna reveal himself to the world so he can prove you wrong. God doesn't reveal himself because if he did, then everyone would be like "oh yeah he does exist, I guess i wont murder because I want to go to heaven". NO, he wants people to have faith. Surely you would want to life a life knowing it means something and at the chance find out it was a lie, but oh wait you wouldn't find out because you wouldn't exist if your dead
Milesy1818 1 year ago
@Milesy1818 that does not answer the any question. That allows you to feel special for believing something that there is no proof of. In regular life, you would not operation like that - so why here?
ccollymore 1 year ago
God does exist and He has given us proofs. Moses dividing the Red Sea, Jesus being born to virgin Marystory of Moses and Aaron:Gnats and flies, all the livestock got sick and died, the Egyptians were covered in sores, hail came down and killed all the crops, locusts came and ate all the grass and everything green, and then there was complete darkness. God kept the israelites safe, and put a pretend wall around them so NONE OF the plagues could come to them
fightingbaboon 1 year ago
@fightingbaboon Leprechauns do exist They have given us "proofs". Walking over rainbows, the magic of the pot of gold, the 4 leaf clover... so THERE!!!!!
Do you think quoting a story to prove it true makes sense to you? Is it rational to say my story is true & point at a pic of a leprechaun on a cereal box? No? Then wtf makes you think saying god is real then pointing at a bible makes sense?
Key2daUnderground 1 year ago
@Key2daUnderground hey buddy! my lucky charms are real!! LOL!
ccollymore 1 year ago
@fightingbaboon there is no extra biblical account of that happening. Not by the Egyptions, ethiopians, syrians, babylonians, greeks or any other group in the ancient world attesting to this "fact"
ccollymore 1 year ago
@fightingbaboon "Pretend wall" LOL!
ccollymore 1 year ago
[Part 2]
GOD demands no worship nor requires a savior to align us as a worthy entity as all elements are a part of the whole. When controlling/moralistic/judgmental elements come into GODs realm it then becomes Mans Will a means to control his world and reign supreme over his planet and people as its master!!!
discussdebate 1 year ago
"Believe nothing just because a wise person says it, because something is generally held, because its told in ancient books, because its told as having divine origin or just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself examine and weigh to be true" - Buddha
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@discussdebate Buddhism is one of many roads to Hell. Jesus is the ONLY Way to Heaven. We have to put our faith solely in Him and what He did at the cross, period.
BradSSFL 1 year ago
@BradSSFL ...We'll then you shouldn't have nothing to worry about; good luck with your belief's and peace to you and yours.
discussdebate 1 year ago
@discussdebate Did Budda die on the cross?
porkyo123 1 year ago
@porkyo123 ...Jesus was a man, no man ever was nor ever will be GOD!! Something truthful and or factual must be dissectible ...if any of its parts remain confusing then doubt its validity. However some things cannot be explained and becomes a matter of conjecture/belief… "Not a matter of fact"!! Believe what you will yet if I can't sit at a table with you and enjoy your company because we believe differently... then there is something wrong with your "Belief System"
discussdebate 1 year ago
@discussdebate Of course we can sit at the table,but the problem is we have two different diets.
porkyo123 1 year ago
@porkyo123 ...you said, "The problem is___!!!" ...I see no problem just a difference of what's on the others plate. No one ever has to discuss what someone is eating; seriously why does anyone have to do something like that? Only you know the answer to that question. Which means you have no intent on sitting with me. Or maybe I simply misunderstood you... Hm??
discussdebate 1 year ago
@discussdebate Why Buddha & not Jesus? Did Buddha die for the sins of the world? Why should i believe you when yo say"Believe nothing just because some wise person said it"? How do rise above our original ancient wise people? And yes we can sit a the table and have a buffalo burger or a green smoothie which ever you prefer.
porkyo123 1 year ago
@porkyo123 Buddha wasn't established as anyone important other than I used a comment associated with him... thus the credit do. I could readily have used a Jesus quote yet I went with what was relevant for my thoughts at the time. - I might take you up a a Mexican Dish!! lol!! {:{D~
discussdebate 1 year ago
@discussdebate Next time think before you speak! LOL! As far as Mexican? I will have American Indian food and eat some buffalo. And for the vegetarians that might see this? I will have a double shot of wheatgrass . Desert will be kale green smoothie. LOL
porkyo123 1 year ago
@porkyo123 * Discuss, debate, maybe learn and or educate [or] ...simply agree to disagree!! It's all good to me!! BTW ...I'll pass on the meal(s) you've described!!
discussdebate 1 year ago
@discussdebate Thatzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz a good boy! pass it on...
porkyo123 1 year ago
If God does exist (and I firmly believe he does), then the way by which he works would not be explainable by science. Think about it, he is the smartest entity to ever exist, and because he created life itself, no human would ever come even close to comprehending his actions, which are as many people say "in mysterious ways"
FluidPlague 1 year ago
@FluidPlague Wrong. God is orderly and loving. And would want the creatures he create to use their "free will" to understand the grandness of "his" creation - furthering their mindless needless and adoration of "him"
Our will is as free as this:
2 Th.2:11-12 God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned. THANKS GOD!
ccollymore 1 year ago
@FluidPlague- Great point! Us trying to explain the creator is a joke. With our on who took carepunnie little brain we're lucky we can even discuss God. We use words to try and do it,and those words belong to him or her. Will all find out in the end or inthe end, lights out forever.OUCH! If this is all there is why was I ever here. And Im still looking for the answer ? Who took care of the first to babies on the earth? And if your answer is the guys in space ship,please don't comment.
porkyo123 1 year ago
You know what there is a phenomenon in the sky! There called stars, and moons, and planets and God placed each and everyone of them in the sky and He knows them all by name!
sasha91111 1 year ago
im 13 years ld and im here to tell you that God doesn't need to give us proof of his existence! its called FAITH! He gave his one and true only son Jesus Christ to die on the cross so that we could have a way of redemption and this is how you repay HIM! He gives us all clues with tthis magnificent earth that he created! God holds us together if u don't believe me then look up the protein molecule Laminin and tell the whole world what it looks like instead of asking God for more clues!
sasha91111 1 year ago
Why doesn't God prove that he exists?
The same reason why Zeus and Santa Clause can't.... Because they are all fictional characters created and then embraced to make Humans feel less alone and vastly more important to the universe than we actually are... Religion is the ultimate in self-reinforced delusion and irrationality...
bigmatt101 1 year ago
thanks for this
uberfun19 1 year ago
There is no positive evidence for the existence of any god(s),
but there IS evidence against the god of the Bible.
Just as there can not be a one-dimentional swan
or a solid gas, or a fossilized flame,
there can not be a god of love who devises evil against humanity.
I do not insist that there are no gods,
but the evidence is very clear that the god of Abraham
is a myth with no basis in fact.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
So maybe god cant provide undeniable proof of his existence (I actually think he could). Then he could still make it reasonable for people to believe in him right?
numbcore 1 year ago
Alright i gota question maybe sombody can anwser:
Lets say u are walking in a desert, and u look to your left, and see your name WRITTEN in the sand.....would u conclude that it was a COINCEDENCE? that the wind blew here and there and it just ended up looking like that?
No ofcourse not. Someone was obviously BEHIND that name writing.
Somthing as simple as a name writing in the sand cant happen by itself.
How then, can the vast, complicated universe come into existence on its own?
mrafi094 1 year ago
Try reading up on quantum physics, chemistry, biology astronomy, just sciences basically.
numbcore 1 year ago
@mrafi094 two difference functions. Try how do believe in God and then don't when your older? Or why don't we need an appendix anymore? Or why do we get allergies later in life? Or how does bacteria and virus' become drug resistant?
Those functions are more akin to how the universe through an accumulation of events over time, changes or even stays the same.
You are not drawing a proper comparison.
ccollymore 1 year ago
God don't reveal that he's real because in the Bible it says: John 20:29 -
"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed"
I don't expect for anyone to believe me though...
oblivionprison 1 year ago
Ofcourse the bible says that blind belief is a virtue. But ask yourself why this is. So he doesnt show himself, thats fine. But then he also shouldnt send people to hell for not believing.
numbcore 1 year ago 4
@numbcore I have had the same question as you. Why does God send people to hell? Man creates hell on earth( war hunger Violence etc.) We have damned ourself on earth, it's not that God damns us to hell. It's that we have damned ourself already to hell. When we can't make a good life for ourselves on earth. How could we expect anything different in the future? But God has provided us a way out. All your answered questions are in the Bible.
questioneverything8 1 year ago
@questioneverything8 Hunger isnt mainly our fault? People who live in Africa, their land is usually too dry to make food on. We try helping them, but maybe if Jesus would break a few fish again wed fix that problem.
numbcore 1 year ago
@questioneverything8
Like the chapters on how to own slaves, what laws if broken should be punished by death (hint: all of them) that we have permision to kill non-believers and gentials and take their land.
LucianUramu 1 year ago
@LucianUramu I'm not quite sure where your coming from with your comment. Yes, how to own slaves and how to act if you are a slave. Punishment of death to those who act in a way that isn't tolerated; from the perspective where life is eternal and abundant. As for permission to kill non-believers? I guess we will call that survival of the fittest.
questioneverything2 1 year ago
@numbcore You interpetation of the bible leaves
alot!
You already have a 'god' who controls you,
but, you think it's YOU!
fntime 1 year ago
@numbcore does the bible say that blind belief is a virtue or is that the interpretation given by fundamentalists. A course in miracles says: I give everything the meaning that it has for me ..... but for most people this is an unconscious process of simply recalling and applying what they have been programmed to believe which of course does not make it true.
claudelebel55 9 months ago
the best explanation for why there appears to be no God, and is very little evidence, is because there actually isn't one. Imagine that!
Aphex217Twin 2 years ago 2
@Aphex217Twin Makes no sense why APA professionals, psychiatrists, lead with the highest rate in suicides. What did they find? There is evidence but because of tenure was kept from public. Even Einstein found a universal consciousness. Think, what would a universal consciousness be? He didn't come out and say they found undeniable evidence that God was real, no, Einstein called his discovery a universal consciousness. The video is right, it is your "free will" or choice to believe in God or not.
GateMessenger 1 year ago
@GateMessenger wrong again. Einstein did not believe in any God and certainly not a personal one. the "god" he was referencing to acknowledge the "grandness" of the universe - like africans and native americans acknowledging the "circle of life"
ccollymore 1 year ago
@ccollymore I did not refer to a personal God now did I? You do not know the empirical evidence uncovered. I too once thought the same thing until researching further. There truly is a universal consciousness governing all energy/ matter.
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No need to respond, I have no desire to change your opinions/beliefs using similes, only to state the facts!
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I was not wrong! Einstein did believe in Spinoza's God.
GateMessenger 1 year ago
@GateMessenger that's very catty. Trying to make a point and then running. Well you will not have last word (yes I can be prick, and it seems to be justified here). What facts did you present? The context of Einstein's quote of the universal sprit (Spinoza's god), was due the the repeated attacks on his person by the Church and others for the developing the theory of relatively.
ccollymore 1 year ago
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ccollymore 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
So the aforemetioned quote allowed him to save face and MODERATE his other comments of God being "Childlike". With that, please know I like facts too, but present be sure to present some.
Thanks.
ccollymore 1 year ago
@ccollymore Who's running and who is doing the insulting?
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You said Einstein did not believe in any God, you said "any", you were wrong.
GateMessenger 1 year ago
@GateMessenger I guess you mess the above comment or spammed. But out of context I would be inaccurate, but within context - I am ABSOLUTELY correct. Thanks for playing.
And for the record, I acknowledged me being less than gracious in this exchange. I am able to see facts positive or not. Can you say the same?
ccollymore 1 year ago
@ccollymore I try and only see the facts, yet I do however interpret them differently than most. I guess that is my downfall, maybe not. Interpreting the facts is an art by itself. For instance, if you found a timeless action that happens at a distance what would you interpret that as? I see it as an action that happens in an instant defying the speed limit of light, see quantum entanglement. Vogelsang's device showed this action able to choose it's own thoughts, words, sentences, an entity?
GateMessenger 1 year ago
.. A conscious one at that. If this is not evidence of a timeless entity then clearly you do not interpret the facts as I do. Einstein too knew of this experiment, according to Vogelsang the department of defense deemed it classified, there was a reason that Einstein believed in a universal consciousness. I believe Einstein interpreted those facts as I did.
GateMessenger 1 year ago
@GateMessenger don't know to much about that - can't really speak on it. It is interesting though?
ccollymore 1 year ago
@GateMessenger biocentric universe theory? Anyway, what is a timeless action? Actions are the basic function of time and vice versa - that's why there has not been a way to replicate a absolute zero scenerio. Again - don't know much about this vogelsang's device.
ccollymore 1 year ago
Giving us evidence, or appearing before us wouldn't violate our freewill, or turn us into robots. My best friend doesn't avoid answering the phone when I call, for fear that giving me evidence that he exists would turn me into a robot.
Aphex217Twin 2 years ago
@Aphex217Twin i think what the man in the video was saying was that if god gave you UNDENIABLE proof of his existance, it would be taking away your free will. and he doesnt mean something that you could with a bit of work discard, he means there is no physical way you could not believe in god. i think that would be cruel, therefore god doesn't do it because he wants us to believe on our own choices.
Goddaughter182 1 year ago
So then if my best friend calls me up, and I answer the phone, then I'm being cruel because I'm giving my best friend no choice but to believe I exist, and then he instantly becomes a robot incapable of being a good friend? Why is belief that something or somebody exists such a big idea? In order to love God it seems like you'd have to know that he actually exists first. There are an infinite # of different Gods I could convince myself to believe so why should I just pick one at random?
Aphex217Twin 1 year ago
@Goddaughter182 That's a better argument than most, but falls short when it you think that God is love. If he is, you would want to make sure all his "children" are saved. If showing himself would ensure that, or rather, increase the amount of saved souls - why wouldn't he do it?
ccollymore 1 year ago
Do souls have free will in heaven? If they do what's stopping them from sinning in the afterlife? After all, if they spend eternity there the probability of that happening approaches 1
Hairysteed 2 years ago
And if there IS free will in "the after life",
then hell will be empty.
No problem :=)
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
see there is a god if he didnt then how did we and the world come about???
married2theking30 2 years ago
cosmology, the big bang, laws of physics, and evolution
Aphex217Twin 2 years ago
If u read the holy bible u will understand that God do exist. U know Adam And Eve. God made them in the picture of himshelfe, and he gave them a free will, and he told them to not eat of the apple three. But the devil in the body of a snake tricked Eve and she eate of the applethree. U ask where do the devil come from? Well the devil was created by God, the devil uset to be good, but he got jelus over gods creation of the human. So God kicked out the devil from heaven.
ThePurpleRay 2 years ago
why did the devil get jelous?
Aphex217Twin 2 years ago
well i think it migth be of the same reason we get jelous. Humans get jelous of selfishness . And so did the devil. But that is only my opinion.. :)
ThePurpleRay 1 year ago
No we wont. Believe me if OVERNIGHT or before our eyes with cameras rolling, a giant mountain turned into a giant 5000ft statue of a hot dog robbing a lemonade stand with the words, I DO EXIST.
Believe, me.... Everybody would acknowlege that as undeniable proof.
So STFU you retarded theist with your obvious attempt do dodge a reasonable question.
BratvaTV 2 years ago
So we should believe because there is no evidence to do so? HUH? Totally irrational & illogical.
BTW God had no problem violating Pharoahs freewill in Exodus when he "hardened his heart".
I am using my freewill to shut you off after 3 mins. What an idiot.
Celticking36 2 years ago
God doesn't prove His/Her existence because to do so would eliminate the need for us to reconcile things which can be proven with things which cannot. Our mind and heart is often conflicted because some things we know for certain while others are known through feeling. Until you can reconcile faith with reason and insist on choosing one over the other you are not a whole man but a one who is split into two halves. Integration of all things, good and bad, opposing things, is key here.
mmegb65 2 years ago
My brother you need to read A Course in Miracles !!
bassman95 2 years ago 2
"ALWAYS KEEP CHRIST FIRST IN YOUR DAY AND YOU WILL HAVE A GLORIOUS DAY"! That's not meaning there will be some bumps along the way, BUT HE IS ALWAYS THERE TO PICK YOU UP, HE never gives up on us, it's just sometimes we give up on him! He's always just a PRAYER away-Try IT......IT WORKS!!!
What you pray for you might not necessarly get - IT'S HIS WILL, that's why you pray, Jesus-YOUR WILL BE DONE! He has put you here for a reason, BE PATIENT and He will show you the way!!
Macieclassof2009 2 years ago
His silence speaks well about his imaginary nature.
Those with personal experiences about gods are simply schyzophrenics imho. At least untill anyone can verify those experiences individually.
I wonder where is this guy pulling all that bullcrap disguised as science if not out of his ass... If god is so obvious, why can't we have a damn conclusive proof? That's right, because it's not obvious. To be honest, its actually pretty stupid.
hellhammerz666 2 years ago
As a little girl bought up a Catholic I was given no free will. I was oppressed and brain washed. God is a human invention and he is cruel ammoral and vandictive. I find life magical and meaningful without the a sky daddy. How can this man say he knows what the purpose is? What absolute ROT.
factvfiction 2 years ago
god is real!
zzareht 2 years ago
yes he is.
vrishalis 2 years ago
The concept of Christianity in a nutshell is:
"I know you don't believe in God, but if you DON'T, you will burn in hell forever and ever!"
And besides, you really CAN know that God exists, because I cannot think of any way for us to be here, except, well, God.
See, I could apply this to computers also, or cars, or other things I don't understand.
Maybe everything I don't understand really has a simple explanation... God did it?
This is why their beliefs are just that... BELIEF, NOT FACT!
ytuber28341 2 years ago
god isn't religion..god is a spiritual bond..religion is irrelevant when it comes to god..making hell irrelevant.
now, what do u rely on to confirm fact/truth/reality? your 5 senses..now the 6th sense for some is just as profound as the 5 senses..so we get to a point where if u call the 6th sense an illusion, u must be willing to also call our 5 senses an illusion, as many experience all 6 equally as profoundly..it ultimtely comes to the final point..reality is direct personal experience.
itzahazylife 2 years ago
I get it!
You do drugs, so that's a profound "reality" to you. Or maybe your dreamstate is.
You can't tell what is real or not, your awake you or your dreaming you? You STILL don't know what reality is?
I pity your mind! No wonder you are so confused that you don't know how to answer my questions.
ytuber28341 2 years ago
just like people can deny anything they see, people can also try to explain anything they see as an act of god... im just trying to say it can work either way
jesusramones1 2 years ago
thats the real problem, but at the end one side must be rigth and the other wrong
domainalias 2 years ago
hopefully there will be an "at the end" so people can agree
jesusramones1 2 years ago
here's my view on this topic:
the idea of god is like looking at a closed box with a cat in it, you do not know from looking at the closed box that there is a cat inside, the fact that ive told you there is a cat inside is all you rely on. when you open the box to PROVE that the cat may or may not be inside the box, then and only then will you know the truth.
apply this to the idea of god.
anyone has the opportunity to believe what they want.
for the record i do NOT believe in god.
spudsmile 2 years ago
thats Schrödinger cat
domainalias 2 years ago
1) God is omniscient and omnipotent
2) He knows how to make us believe in him and has the power to do it
3) I don't believe in god
Conclusion: God does not exist OR God will convince me before I die OR God is not omnipotent/omniscient
Freewill does not factor into this discussion at all, because even if you have full knowledge that God exists, you can rebel his will. Therefore freewill is not compromised.
Hez0 2 years ago
all smart people know that god is just something to have faith in its like saying lepercuans are real??
IronMaidenGypsy 2 years ago
well i know a relative of mine got an M.D. and a Ph.D in Radiology. strong believer in god. But to you he's just a total idiot
likeriver 2 years ago
lepercuans are not like god..if lepercuans existed, they would be tangible and materialistic..god is not..god is intangible and only reliant on the human minds 6th sense.
itzahazylife 2 years ago
that's a good question but discussions about life are nonsense, humans are too stupid..
just live your life -.-"
yairoka 2 years ago
What a ridiculous thing to say...
xtremerandomness 2 years ago
no.
yairoka 2 years ago
Yes.
If we don't ask questions we don't advance... if we ask questions about life, it allows us to improve our ethical and moral standards over time... If we had always just "live our lives", we would still be in the stone ages on these fronts.
xtremerandomness 2 years ago
it's true that if we don't ask questions we don't advance but there's no answer for the reason of life. the idea of "reasons" are just something humans invented.
yairoka 2 years ago
This guy is a prophet. Listen to him.
purrhhos 2 years ago
In order to assert that there is evidence of "God" you must first define what God is. Is the Aurora Borealis "God"? Or is it a natural phenomenon stemming from magnetic fields and charged particles? I'm sure that the ancients saw it as God at one time. You can call it whatever you want, but it ceases to BE God when we have a plausible understanding of the mechanism causing any unknown phenomenon. Just because it's unknown NOW...doesn't mean it will always be unknown.
Masher88 2 years ago
is this guy a teacher?
abcand123ftw 2 years ago