THE ANSWER TO THE CHALLENGE OF PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY

[jimu57]

I know who proposed the challenge. Just another idiot atheist trying hard to disprove the Bible. No one has and never will. Just give up atheists. The Bible ain't going away. Teachers such as Arnold Murray ain't going away. There are more and more every day that teach truth. Get used to it.

[SonsofOil]

@StarOfJacob Thank You and Well said StarifJacob. Whether or not we agree on every little detail is not so important as being believers In our Father , His Saviour who died for our sins, and the study of his Word and I thank you again for your gracious comment and your Christian maturity , May YHVH bless you in yoiur endeavours of study and May He Bless all who earnestly seek His truth as we strive to understand .

[SonsofOil]

@StarOfJacob and anyway it was after the sin in the Garden and after God told the serpent ( Satan) I will put emnity between thy seed and the seed of the woman that later in Gen 4 v 1 we see Adam knew H 3045 his wife and she conceved and bore cain from the sexual act with satan and again she bore his brother abel which was from Adam's seed , its easy to verify that Cain is not found in Adam's geneology Gen 5 but Adam's seed line is carried forth with Seth because Cain killed Abel

[2012IS1984]

MIND BLOWN!! YEAH THATS RIGHT. OVER HERE. BLOWN? I HAVE DISMISSED THE SEROENT SEED ? . UNTIL NOW. "THEY SEEN THAT THE DAUGHTERS OF MEN WERE COMELY AND WENT IN UNTO THEM". NOT VERBATEM BUT WE GET THE POINT. IT MAKES SINCE NOW. I NEED TO BE COMING HERE MORE OFTEN BROTHER. PRAY FOR MY HOUSE,

[SonsofOil]

@StarOfJacob We know Jesus is referred to as the Tree of Life so it is no marvel that Satan is referred too as the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil as written in Ezek 28 Satan was once Lucifer the protecting cherubim whom God loved but because Lucifer's hearrt was raised in pride he fell from grace so he has known both good and now as Satan knows evil again cains children were labeled by Christ in John 8 v 44 where Jesus said "Ye are of yourr father the Devil" which is Satan

[SonsofOil]

@StarOfJacob and how Jesus named theme in John 8 not to mention how this seed had inflitrated Isreal during the time of Joshua by Deception because they told him they came from a far land , and by the books of 2 chron had taken over the scribeship and by Ezra and Nehemiah had taken over the priesthood , so that when Christ came they denied him and would not hear truth but rather they conspired just as their cain had killed righteous Abel and they caused the death of Christ thru their deceit

[SonsofOil]

@StarOfJacob of 6095 asa a shutting of the eyes =deception and if you read Gods word immediately after this act he said to eve what is this thou hast done then God said to Satan thou art cursed.... and I will put emnity between they seed H 2233 of H 2232 of which the root comes from H 2231 = Semen not to mention the various places Christ called this generation ( seedline/progeny ) the offspring of vipers and how Jesus clarifed in the Parable of the tares and the wheat explanation Matt 13 v 38

[SonsofOil]

@StarOfJacob Well I can appreciate alot of study but I too have studied for over 25 years now in the ancient languages and in breaking down the act in the Garden from the hebrew I do not see the sin as Adam having sex with Eve. I see it as Eve having sex with Satan which did produce fruit H 2233 Zera child , fruit , of 2232 seed = Cain eve was not told not to have sex with Adam she was told not to touch H 5060 Naga the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil H 6086 es tree......

[RememberPaulRevere]

@StarOfJacob "We are tested here, against the flesh."

Father's Word tells us we are spirit placed into flesh bodies AS A TEST to see who we shall follow, Our Father or satan....the choice has always been ours, one of free will.

To follow satan is to sin-rebel against Our Father. The first sin was done in spirit bodies because SATAN-fallen angels are still spirit, never born of woman, but seduced them instead They, the fallen angels left their first estate. Jude 1:6-8

[RememberPaulRevere]

@StarOfJacob "The sin in the garden was Eve having sex with Adam when God said not to..."

WHAT? Eve was created as a MATE for Adam....this was the bloodline Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior was to be born from and the fact of Father's plan, can be found in Luke 3.23-38

Satan the serpent tried to foil Our Father's plans by BEGUILING -seducing Eve and begating Cain, who then murdered his maternal twin brother Abel, sired by Adam. This failed when Adam and Eve had Seth.

[RememberPaulRevere]

@StarOfJacob "Shakes his tail? 'tis like a cedar tree.The sinews of his thighs are firm entwined."

Hmmm---KJV states Job 40:17 He moveth his tail LIKE a cedar: the sinews of his stones(Testicles) are wrapped together.

And what are you talking about "any dino in history could be killed by mankind easily, only God can take this stuff on?"

Who is talking in this chapter of Job 40? Last I read, It was Our Father explaining to Job about a prior earth age.

[RememberPaulRevere]

@StarOfJacob I used the Strongs to translate, however, Hippo doesn't do it for me...they DO have a pig's tail and I don't need Pastor Murray to explain the difference to me. Hippos do not eat from the tops of mountains nor can they drink the Jordan dry.

Leviathan is well explained in the scriptures provided as reference. It refers to satan....What do you call Leviathan?

[SonsofOil]

what ??? are you actually saying that the serpent was Adam's penis? umm are you familiar with who the serpent is all though the Bible ? it isnt Adam's penis nor can it be construde as such from the Hebrew nor from the Greek of the New Testament anyway Adam didnt " know " Eve in the bibilical sense till ch 4 v 1 and Paul states in 2nd corinthians ch 11 v 3 "as the serpent beguiled Eve through "his" subtilty " I dont think you ll find that a penis can be referred to as a his Serpent = Satan

[RememberPaulRevere]

@SonsofOil StarofJacob said, "That would be his penis, which raises like Leviathan and that surely beguiled Ms. n-eye-Eve."

I agree. That is EXACTLY what SOJ said and if he ever studied under Pastor Murray, he would know the TRUTH of God's Word and not be babbling like a fool. Sorry, I know I should not judge people, but this guy is a troll of confusion in his own mind because WE know the Truth, thus he fails in his endeavors.

Thank You Heavenly Father for giving us discernment.

[RememberPaulRevere]

@StarOfJacob "Second of all, Behemoth/Leviathan(Rabab/Drago­­n/Serpent) are not descriptions of dinosaurs or any flesh creature..."

Have you read Job 40:15 -24?.....Behemoth description--a tail that moved like a cedar and who ate from the tops of mountains, could drink up the Jordan river.....sounds like a dino to me. (Father tells Job about the first earth age)

Leviathan refers to satan, aka dragon, serpent, babylon Job 41:1, Ps 74:14 & 104:26, Isa 27:1

[SonsofOil]

3 offices of God 1 the God head = the Father 2 the Son = King of Kings and Lord of Lords =Jesus 3 the Holy Spirit , one God 3 offices in other words the Trinity Murray has a tape study entitled the Trinity in which he explains they are the same God , since God is supernatural he can do this ,even a man can be 3 offices to his children he is a Father to his wife he is an husband and to his job he is an employee but still the same one being Jesus said I and my Father are one - John 10 v 30

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

i was just wondering how does murry baptise people because he never says the word trinity

and he does not belive that there equel in power he says that there 3 diffrent offices

so some one please help me on that,,,,, was any of you baptised by this church

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

show me whats does it mean if satan is the father of cain

than what,,, what does that do today for any one christian walk......

it would not change my life or yours.. has noting to do with salvation

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

HERES THE WORD IN STRONGS

A primitive root; to lead astray, that is, (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce: - beguile, deceive, X greatly, X utterly.

OK SO WHATS YOUR POINT HERES THE VERSE

Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

OK SO EVE SAID THE SERPENT HAD SEX WITH ME, AND I DID EAT....

YOU GOT THE WORST GRAMMER EVER MAN,,TAKE ANY WORD FROM THE STRONGS THERE YOU STILL HAVE NO POINT

[SonsofOil]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH Hey here is an idea while your looking in the Strongs's Why dont you try following the subject in the and the object in the Bible for a change and learn a little something instead of being such a literalist. no wonder you keep missing the point you apparently cant grasp the hebraisms rather you take only the english value in all you seem to read and you believe too much of the stuff you read on the blog forums no wonder your confused

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

@SonsofOil

i dont understan you i dont dwell on blogs i read the bible

you like to pick on me but you follow one man more than any one i know

i hope i dont afend you either,, but i think serpent seed doctrine is "demonic"

not 1 thing you said can lead some one to salvation so i will stay with my blogs and you can stay with your serpent seed system,, God bless you.....

o were do i find a serpent seed church in my area lol i guess i will blog for one

[SonsofOil]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH I am not picking on you Gypsy but I am als0o not calling your videos or anyone who teaches in them any of the following = LIAR , FALSE TEACHER ,.if you watched Murray as you claim or wwnt to the Shepherds chapel home page you wouldnt need to say he doesnt put enough enfaces on Salvation oh and by the way check out the word TOUCH in Gen 3 as in neither shall ye touch it it is word H 5060 Naga and look at the euphemistsic use of the word ( to lie with women )

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

@SonsofOil

1ST thing so what did eve say i can H5060 to lie with a women """ but not you.

thats realy adding to Gods word man i know what that strongs number is,,,

2nd a Women does not have a "SEED" they hve a egg,,,, 3rd if all was killed in the flood how does cain have a seed line today,,,

and what that makes you and me what seed line are you and what im i

[RememberPaulRevere]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH "2nd a Women does not have a "SEED" they hve a egg"

Our Father calls it HER SEED....Gen 3:15

Seed Hebrew #2233 Zera, zeh-rah, from 2232 zara, zaw-rah: fruit, plant, posterity, child fruitful, seed, bear, conceive seed, set with, to sow

Progeny would be a good English word to use here and would apply in either male or female.

[SonsofOil]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH you are being a little to literal with the seed of the women , the seed was not eve's egg it was Seth seeing as how Abel was murdered by Cain ( emnity ) it was Seth that carried on the seedline through which Christ would be born and it was Cains seed ( progeny /offspring ) which saw to it Christ was mocked , hated , conspired against and finally crucified ( emnity) which is why Jesus called them the offspring of vipers and the children of the Devil in John 8

[RememberPaulRevere]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH "i think serpent seed doctrine is "demonic""

It is, that is the point and why it is called the serpent seed. Learning Father's Truth of His Word sets us free and brings the world events into focus and WHY we are here.

Our Heavenly Father loves His children and wishes that none should perish.

[2012IS1984]

@RememberPaulRevere HOW IS THE MAN OF SIN GOING TO COME ABOUT? HE WILL BE IN THE FLESH YOU KNOW. IS HE OF ADAMS SEED?

[SonsofOil]

@2012IS1984 The man of sin is of 2 thess 2 is Satan and he is called the Antichrist because he comes and stands in the place of Christ and claims to be Christ which is what antichrist means in Greek and he is called the Man of sin not because he is of the flesh nor dwells in it but because he is male example Gabriel is also an archangel but his name Gabriel means Man of God it only means they are male and Satan is supernatural which is why his deception will be so effective

[2012IS1984]

@SonsofOil i know,

[SonsofOil]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH Since it is impossible for Eve to have conceived by eating a peice of fruit then we know there is more to it , as God said to Satan in Gen ch 3 " I will put emnity between THY seed and the seed of the woman now count them that is TWO SEED one being the seed of Satan as just declared by God and the other seed (Eve with Adam) meaning Abel but since cain slew Abel it fell to Seth to carry Adam;s seed forth and all the the Bible we see the emnity between those two seedlines

[SonsofOil]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH how much simpler and plain can it be put ? I will take my imperfect Grammar over your believing and being convinced by things you have read on blog forums and your literalist english based understanding of biblical scipture anyday ,  whats my point you ask ? well no one can show you the point if you choose not too look objectively at it and never question yourself as to whether or not you could be wrong sure anyone can be wrong but this is such a simple concept

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

it seams people defend pastors,,,, more than the Bible. lol

theach people to be "Saved" more than fighting with each other.

TEACH SALVATION ?

[SonsofOil]

I went to your Fav's and looked at the video called the truth about serpent seed however if that is what you call a compelling argument to dispute the the Serpent seed then I think you better do some more work in the Hebrew and Greek language because all I saw there was opinion (which you are entitled too) but nothing that was powerful enough to challenge what I have learned from the original languages and did you read the definition and root of the greek word (expatio) tranlated as beguiled ?

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

GO TRU MY FAVS

AND SEE A FALSE PROPHET

[SonsofOil]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH oh and just for your info you need to make your video quality setting a little higher because the video was very grainy and fuzzy ( pixelated ) and some of the words were so small till they were hard to read even on full screen and pause you might try converting them to an AVI or MKV format which is much better quality

[RememberPaulRevere]

Pastor Murray is truly lead by the Holy Spirit. Thank you Heavenly Father for sending him to us during this troubled time to help us understand Your Will.

[ResurrectingYourSpir]

Praise the Lord I have been studying with Pastor Murray for over 14yrs, I was actually Baptized by Dennis Murray. Everything that he teaches is the proper Hebrew, Greek, manuscripts. I am Saphardic Hebrew I was brought up Christian my Dad and my Nona told me about Joseph of Aramatias tin mines and how Yeshua was a ladd when he travel to England with his uncle, one saturday I saw the documentary it was the same story I was told at 7yrs old. I know Shepherds Chapel id ordained by Father.

[patinacs]

pondering..

query 1: does our Father "know His children"?

query 2: are we mindless or can we discern truth?

query 3: where does "freedom to choose" come from?

query 4: shall we despise and war or "love one another"?

HINT: 'somebody' DOESN'T want us to get along.

reminder: only one person was tortured and killed for every thing we each have done wrong -

and lived again to talk about it.

[IshMelamaid]

Well, I have studied biblical languages and used to watch Murray. He often made odd or incorrect claims relative biblical languages. The most flagrant one that I remember being when he supported his peculiar take on Gen. 3 by claiming that the tree of knowlege is not called the typical word in Hebrew for tree ("ets") but is called something Murray pronounced "ah-tash" (I think). As it turns out, the tree is called an "ets" anytime it is mentioned in Gen. 2-3. So, Murry was painfully wrong here

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

@IshMelamaid

HE ALSO SAYS SATAN HAD SEX WITH EVE, chapter 4 says she knew her husband and had cain, and thank God for him, how can you thank God for a demon child, lol

[SonsofOil]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH In yoiur last comment you have shown what a literalist you are.. Cain was not a demon child he was a human being , just a human being who happened too be the son of Lucifer / Satan ( fallen archangel) which is why he does the works of his father and here is a good one for you why is cain NOT listed in Adam's Geneology ? in Gen Chapter 5 Seth is next in line after Adam not cain .. Abel was murdered so he couldnt continue the seedline of Adam so it went to seth

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

@SonsofOil

cain gots his own in gen 5

cain not listed in adams geneology because it has noting to do with jesus.

go look at jesus geneology in matt it goes to seth and to adam dont need cains. lol

that does not mean he is satans son.. murry is a heritick preacher.

go look at my favs. much to say about him but you been with him 14 years i know him on tv for a long time to. dont mean he is right

[SonsofOil]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH its interesting Gypsy that you do notice that cain has a geneology in the Bible yet you do not follow it through the Nethinim , the sons of Rechab , etc. who eventually became the scribes for the Temple You dont seem to see the connection with the Kenites and the Scribes, Jesus points it out so clearly in John ch 8 and in his Parables and woes but as I have said Believe as you feel lead too. I am not your Judge but then neither are you Pastor Murrays Judge yet you do

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

@SonsofOil

IF EVREY ONE DIED IN THE FLOOD what does his blood line mean any way

SHOW ME IN THE BIBLE CAINS BLOOD LINE WENT IN THE NT

i am not dening it but please show me were in a e mail

[hillbillybushcraft]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH In chapter 3:15 & 16 the pregnancy is discussed which is the beguiling that happened IN the Garden. Then Adam and Eve are both kicked out of the garden THEN Adam knows Eve. The thing you must realize is she was with child when Adam knew here. Look at Mat 13 parable of the tares. Christ explains this, AND who exactly do you think Christ is talking about in Rev 2:9? I can go ON and on but it really is pointless. God's the only one to open your eyes.

[kristosvt]

Thanks for this video... Good job.. See ya on fb.. Haha

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

God bless you,, i hate to sound like a smart guy,, but those people need to repent from there system of doctrine,,, and start understanding Gods word.

they need to pray for disernment when they read

[SonsofOil]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH I dont mean to sound like a know it all or to tell you what you should beleive or should not believe that is up to you and that is between you and Our Father but I do think you should look more deeply into these things and pray that you are receiving and understanding the truth as Our Father would have that which he gave us be understood , the world is full of Christians who now attack each other Christians verbally, in text , in forums,or blogs when the enemy is Satan

[RealJerusalem]

@SonsofOil Pastor Murray is so far One of the best Bible Study Teachers out there! I have learned so much with him and his ministry. I really don't understand why some people just don't see the truth out there, plain and simple the way he teaches it. Keep fighting the good fight Good Brother in Christ. We already have the victory in Jesus and I am thankful that God chose A. Murray to spread his word. chapter by chapter and verse by verse The Truth, is Always the TRUTH! God bless U all.

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

thats because you dont understan the Bible dude you need to read than understan

hes explaning after in better detail, doesent mean there was other people

what verse tells you that,, come on man only occults belive that

like serpent seed,, and jahovas withness.

[SonsofOil]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH You label Fellow Christians as nutcases or false teachers. these are Christians who believe in the same Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ that you do , ok so you dont agree on certain points or doctrines but even so you are attacking fellow Christians and that is work for disbelievers not bretheren who simply disagree . read some of the comments made on this video by people like TheAnarchyof Religion who is an athiest are you as he at war with your Christian bretheren ?

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

@SonsofOil

i dont agree with theses other people,, saying the belive in the same LORD the simpley do not bilive in the same God as i do. check it out for your self occults deny the (trinity) and the diety of Jesus,,

also plenty of other stuff..........

[SonsofOil]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH I fully endorse your right to believe as you see fit , I even endorse your right to debate your point among the bretheren but I do not think attacking fellow Christians just because they see things differently than you do is helpful in any way to the edification of Christianity , I think you are a Christian of mostly english only understanding who hasnt done enough study in the original languages or you wouldnt be at variance with what is actually written. ........

[SonsofOil]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH You make claims the only certain denominations or occultists believe such Doctrines as the serpent seed you are quick to say that I do not understand when I have spent 25 years studying hebrew, greek and chaldee have you ? and if you have how is it you do not understand that Genesis Ch 3 v14-15 who is God talking too ? The Serpent and what does he say in 15 ? And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between THY seed and her seed check out the word seed ----

[SonsofOil]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH and Have you never read St John ch 8 ? where Christ says to the Scribes and Pharisees v 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, or Matt ch 13 v38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one . who is the wicked one ? the Serpent ( Satan) the word seed means Generations/offspring /children

[SonsofOil]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH as I said if you dont see this or believe it that is fine , it is your right to believe as you are led too believe but attacking other Christians with insults is not doing anyone any good .Christians are already persecuted in this society which is ever more embracing secular ideology and the athiests are laughing it up as they see all this bickering between people of faith and it makes them think that Christians are hypocrites who turn on each other like wild dogs

[theanachyofreligion]

aronld murrey is a scum of the earth....and anyone that believes in an invisible sky daddy needs to seek mental healthcare.....this god of the bible...which one raped the 12 yr old virgin mary....god jesus or the holy spook?

[SonsofOil]

@theanachyofreligion well well sidney how nice to see you again. been a while I was wondering where you got off to I see you have a new Youtube screen name but the same old sidney attitude . so what happened to your original screen name? did you get too many comments you couldnt answer back at ? or did youtube kick you off  your usual venemous insults ?

[theanachyofreligion]

@SonsofOil although i dont remember you....i take it your still praying to the child molester...you really should consider meds for your illness....

[subaraptor]

@theanachyofreligion Why do you even care so much? Got some money invested somewhere? Are your feelings being hurt somehow? Does it make you cry at night? Maybe you are having trouble sleeping? I know of some people who believe in some crazy stuff, but it does not bother me at all. In fact I could care less about devoting any of my time to try to correct them. Why does it bother you to the point of caring so much? Exactly what are you afraid of? What is your agenda?

[theanachyofreligion]

@subaraptor why wouldnt i care? these nuts terrorize women right here under our noses and get by with it...they blow up abortion clinics..they promote hate...i do live on planet earth....thats why it concerns me...whats your story? and if you believe in a god....why?

[subaraptor]

@theanachyofreligion What nuts where and when? People who commit acts of terrorism are NOT Christians. Terrorism goes directly against the teachings of Christ. He said "Love your neighbor" not blow them up. Maybe you are confused, huh? So who is this that you believe raped a 12-year old virgin?

[ytaaccount]

@subaraptor I'm sorry I must point out that, yes, Christians do sin. They make "mistakes"; sometimes big time errors; but that does not mean they are not Christians. Christians are saved sinners. Thank the Lord most Christians, by far, do not commit horrendous acts, yet some few do.

[subaraptor]

@ytaaccount I am sorry I must point out that, no, your comment has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. I never said that Christians do not sin. Either you have totally distorted what I have said, or you need to read a little more carefully. I was referring to a few terrorists, not sinners, which includes ALL of us.

[ytaaccount]

@subaraptor you need to contact youtube cause someone using your handle said: "People who commit acts of terrorism are NOT Christians. " maybe they allow more than one person to use the same handle...i dont know, that is out of my hands; all i know is 'somebody' said the people hurting others at clinics and stuff are not christians and I say they are. christians do bad things too. if that wasn't you quoted above then contact utb...dont shuut the messanger...

[subaraptor]

@ytaaccount Yah, I'll look into that. I still maintain that like "Stupid is as stupid does", also "Christian is as Christian does", and "Non-christian is as non-christian does" regardless of the occasional minor mistake.

[SonsofOil]

@theanachyofreligion Oh SIDNEY !!!! you dont remember me ??? now that really hurts ! perhaps you should scroll down the comments of this video to see your own words . I Guess its that whole spirit of slumber thing huh ? must be all the smoke from the burning bibles finally got to you .either that or trying to keep up with the many people you have insulted and tried to get a rise out of . I suppose no one could keep up with all them but I dont suppose many of them remember you either

[subaraptor]

@theanachyofreligion Scum of the earth can't spell very well.

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

@theanachyofreligion i dont understan your message

[subaraptor]

@theanachyofreligion Sidney? what a faggot name.

[theanachyofreligion]

@subaraptor was your scumbag mother letting her pimp butt fuck you?

[subaraptor]

@theanachyofreligion Hey, I can tell that you are a really smart guy. And you are so cool, too. You also talk like a guy who has never touched drugs ever. You even look like such an outstanding citizen. Wow, if I could just be more like you...

[theanachyofreligion]

@subaraptor you still havent made a point....but....whats new im yet to see anything that you nuts say...that make any sense whatsoever.....so make a point...say something that means something...by the way if youve even read the stupid bible....what about it inspires you?

[Peattie61]

your video went to the heart of the matter,i went for years seing the bible the way dr Murry does,he confermed my understanding and deepened it ,is is a Godly man,and i would feel it if he wasn't ,some will understand what i mean,others will not

[theanachyofreligion]

@Peattie61 are you an idoit?

[wylynnc]

the word says in the latter days some will depart from the faith,( THE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE THAT PASTOR MURRAY HAS BEEN ANOINTED TO TEACH.) he teaches chapter by chapter and verse by verse and i think GOD for his anointing, he has been a blessing. GOD BLESS YOU PASTOR MURRAY I'VE LEARNED ALOT FROM YOUR TEACHING THAT LINES UP WITH THE WORD OF GOD AND NOT TRADITIONS OF MEN..

[reivillo1]

@StarOfJacob why cant he accept the challenge?...can he not translate it?....where is it written that Murray can call himself a pastor?..I would like to know that one first.

[SonsofOil]

@StarOfJacob well I am glad to know you study in depth and it doesnt matter that everyone doesnt agree on absolutely everything it is more important to study to show thyself approved . I feel God is more interested in those who make the effort even though they may not be exactly right about everything rather than those who do not care to seek the truth at all or those who despise the faithful bretheren just as they despise truth and God , I wish you luck in your studies

[willatelectforum]

I'll keep it short and sweet... Right on! Excellent rebuttal, great job!

[SonsofOil]

Exactly this crtic / challenger is not looking to correct , edfiy , or to share a truth rather this crtic / challenger is looking to tear down rather then to build up yet all he has really accomplished is to reveal his own ignorance of the word and the tools which are available to study it and it is a shame . we should all pray for this type because the key of david can be held in their hands yet they do not percieve how to use it to unlock

[PrinceWalter]

In other words, the challenger is taking Pastor Murray's statement way too literally.

I doubt that anybody who uses the term "original manuscripts" is actually referring to the actual basepher that Moses physically wrote in.

The challenger has grabbed on to something that everybody knows already and is proudly lifting it up as a great big "AH HA" and it's only because of the manner in which he has chosen to interpret the phrase.

[subaraptor]

@PrinceWalter EXACTLY!

[PrinceWalter]

I had an answer to this challenge before but took it down when I saw the weakness of the challenge.

I doubt very much that the original basepher that Moses wrote in is around for us to handle.

The fact should be well known enough to realize that the use of the term "original manuscripts" is figurative at best.

This means that his entire challenge is based on pure semantics, and it is therefore very weak.

[SonsofOil]

@StarOfJacob I think you should watch some of the NCN interviews of Pastor Murray because he is confronted by a Rapture doctrine believing woman and Dr Murray answers her and says " that she must believe as she sees fit and comfortable and he continues we should let no one change what we believe but that we should ALWAYS check them out " This I agree with I upload these studies so people can study chapter by chapter and verse by verse and make up their own minds not follow someone blindly

[SonsofOil]

@StarOfJacob That last statement made no sense " Second of all, Behemoth/Leviathan(Rabab/Drago­­n/Serpent) are not descriptions of dinosaurs or any flesh creature... yet it is flesh and what we and everything else on Earth is made from." while I dont agree with every single thing Pastor Murray says I do feel he is a very worthy teacher and as for leviathin/Behemoth what do your studies lead you to beleieve Leviathin is ? the description in the book of Job is not a metaphor or a hebraism

[zumadale]

@StarOfJacob As long as you're not promoting "Rapture" ... we're okay  ; )

[SonsofOil]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTRUTH Well then Gypsy can you explain how these people changed color ? from Adamic ruddy complected to black ? or where the oriental feature came from ? I think not because what you claim about african descended peoples and orientials is not biblical rather it is a demoninational doctine which is based on a theory not in reality. however it is your right to believe as you see fit regardless. I agree we ARE all brothers and sisters in the flesh because we are all Gods children

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

SETH'S genetic line (family) tree is traced in the Bible from Adam & Eve to Noah, to Shem, to Abraham, to Moses, to The Prophets, to King David, to Mary, to JESUS. The Black and Oriental races come from HAM, Noah's Third Son. The Moslem races come from a mix of Shem and Ham. So we are all brothers and sisters in the Flesh.

[subaraptor]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH You better read the book of Genesis a little closer again. ALL races were created on the 6th day. Adam's race was created after the 7th day. It's really that simple. Read it for yourself. Go ahead, you have permission.

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

@subaraptor

no i think your doctrine is wrong,, only serpent seed, jahovas witness, and all other, occults belive in stuff not biblical like that nut case,, dr murry,,, thats adding to the word of God.

[SonsofOil]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH The fact that you can claim that the serpent seed is not Biblical only shows that YOU are the one who needs to do more study in Gods Word because it it very Biblical and you need to cease making war of fellow Christians by labeling them as nutcases simply because you dont agree with all their teachings .there are plenty of Athiests who already do that Do you add youre voice to theirs in solidarity ? Christians are supposed to stick together we all believe upon Christ

[subaraptor]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH READ THE BIBLE and quit believing what some goofball clown says who has never even read the bible. My doctrine? It is not MY doctrine. READ THE BOOK. It really is that simple.

[subaraptor]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH READ THE BIBLE and quit believing what some goofball clown says who has never even read the bible. My doctrine? It is not MY doctrine. READ THE BOOK. It really is that simple. Genesis 1:26-28 What does it say? What day is that? The 6th! Then Gen2:2 describes the seventh day . And then, Gen 2:5-8 takes place after the 7th day. How ridiculously simple can that be? Seriously? Just frickin' read it already.

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

The Bible is very clear. The Israelites (Jews) are not the white, aryan nations today who are the descendents of Noah's Son, JAPETH. The Hebrew Race came from Noah's Second son, SHEM, who is traced back to Seth (Not Cain).

[zumadale]

@StarOfJacob Don't throw the baby out with the bath water : ) I think Bullinger was a rapture believer :P  But he did a great work, huh.

[zumadale]

BTW... I highly recommend the Ruth study provided here.... wonderful!

[zumadale]

I couldn't be prouder than to say I've had the privilege to study under Arnold Murray. What a wonderful privilege. I even drove out to his place and had Dennis baptize me. That's something to be proud of indeed. I even own one of the older Companion Bibles from back in the day just before they almost went out of print. Another thing I'm proud of. I'm damn glad to know the truth.

[zumadale]

Anyone who doesn't study with Arnold... answer this for me... where did the dinosaurs come from? Who did Cain marry? (His sister??) If I ever want to stump a so-called pastor, I ask those questions and never get an answer.

[zumadale]

Boy this is gonna attract a whole lot of attention! I dated a girl a while back who attended a local church that's kind of BIG in the Phoenix area. Once she found out I studied with SC boy she got down right mean to me! She sent me a bunch of nasty e-mails ... in ALL CAPS... telling me I was going to hell, etc... and how she wasn't... was actually expecting her head to spin and green soup to spew from her mouth at that point :P

[SonsofOil]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH Yes Gypsy we believe what is written and documentable from God's word and if you study the book of Genesis in Hebrew you may know it too hey lol if you wish but if you dont not then you have listened to someone but not read in depth for yourself and FYI Murray never said the world would definately end in 1981 he has made many guesses over the years but has never set a date as did the " Pastor" who said the world would end a few months back which turned out wrong

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

so you people belive in the serpent seed doctrine lol

how bout dr murry said the world will end in 1981 well i guess we all missed out on his doctrine

[zumadale]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH Yep ... Eve had sex with Lucifer... in his role as Serpent... you bet. Cain was his son, and the seedline continues to this day. They were the one's shouting, "Crucify him!" They are today most involved in the media and entertainment industries... and politics... Really, any industry with influence or money. If you watch modern movies, they put their symbols and signs in a lot of them. Rainbows and references to seedlines, etc.

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

@zumadale

this doctrine is satanic ok

the jews come from seth not from cains blood line study it

the real jews are not the white race like you want it to be

[zumadale]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH So ... all 12 tribes of Israel are JUDAH? That's only one tribe. 10 of them migrated north. History. Not all Israelites are Jews.

[zumadale]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH The 10 lost tribes migrated north over the Caucus Mountains and were called "Caucasians." Anglo-Saxon ... Saxon MEANS Isaac's Sons. :P The sting of truth! :P

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

The Bible is very clear. The Israelites (Jews) are not the white, aryan nations today who are the descendents of Noah's Son, JAPETH. The Hebrew Race came from Noah's Second son, SHEM, who is traced back to Seth (Not Cain).

[subaraptor]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH I think you have the wrong Seth.

[zumadale]

@GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH I never heard the one where he said that the world would end in 1981. If he did say that then I'd assume he knows he was wrong. Big deal. It's not like he invited his church down to Gravette for some koolaid and nice Nike shoes to put on... :P

[GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH]

so you people belive in the serpent seed doctrine lol

[charity2448]

Amen and Amen!

[Gizmologist09]

Well one thing is certain. Whoever compiled the response needs to seriously bone up on grammar, sentence structure, punctuation and basic essay composition.

[SonsofOil]

@StarOfJacob First of all even Dr Murray himself is the first to say " hey dont listen to this man or any other rather check these things out for yourself , second of all Behemoth Leviathin certainly could be translated as many things but the Dinosaur seems makes the most sense when one reads the description of this Animal but everyone is entitled to their own opinion , and while many SC'ers may call those who disagree liars or gnorant or whatever that is their opinion not Dr Murrays

[TheFarleyGordon]

You guys are a trip. I've been with Arnold Murray since day one and I've never heard him teach anything nothing the word of God teaches me not Arnold Merry. We read the bible.

[BludBaut]

Anyone who thinks this is an answer to the challenge is kidding themselves. The challenge itself was unreasonable and unrealistic for it presumed things that should not have been presumed, yet it should have been met with reason, candor and honesty. This is subterfuge and deceit.

This is worse than the challenge.

[SonsofOil]

@mannexx: As to the rest of your statement that there never was a Jesus this shows that your studies of History are selective at best or you watch too much NatGeo TV ,even the religions of Judaism and Islam recognize there was a Historical Jesus though they do not believe he was the Son of God , and almost 2000 years of history did begin somewhere plus there are many factual examples that prove Jesus did live which come from outside of the Bible and which can be proven in Historical evidence

[SonsofOil]

@mannexx : You simply dont see the forrest for the trees, what you claim was copied ( Genesis to Abraham ) are just other witnesss to the truth written before they were written by Moses likewise the epic of Gilgamesh which pre dates Moses writings Chronicles the great flood of noah before it was ever written down by Moses, even the chinese have records of this flood which pre date the Bible what you dont see is that these are other witnesses that the Bible is true ,not plagerisms as you imply

[Strong2256]

Thanks for this video. I've listened to Atnold Murry teach Gods Word for over 20 years and it still amazes me to see all the lies they say about him. I have been truly blessed by believing in our Father and doing the best to live by His Word. Arnold has truly been blessed as a true teacher of Gods Word.

[RACARNIE]

How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge? Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

[mannexx111]

All you stupid fucking Christians make me laugh. The bible from genesis to Abraham is copied directly from the ancient Sumerian tablets of creation . Which is thousands of yrs older than any so called biblical manuscript. And the rest is compiled from ancient pagan religions of the Mediterranean area. No fucking Jesus ever existed and there is no fucking Jesus coming back for anyone stupid fools weak minded fodder for those who have done there research....

[BludBaut]

@mannexx111 "From Genesis to Abraham"?

We've got a real scholar on our hands here boys. lol

I stopped reading at that stupid sentence and gave my response. Then I read it all.

Can someone who knows this person tell his doctor that he's mixed up his meds really badly?

[SonsofOil]

There is one universal truth regardless of belief in God or not and that is no one can show you anything when you are determined not to see it in the first place some can claim that God puts you situations where youll be abused but the fact is that its man that abuses and hurts others, it is only God has given man freewill to do whatever he wishes to do because God wasnt interested in making robots with no emotion or will of their own even if mans will is to do evil yet some still blame God

[RACARNIE]

@SonsofOil exactly :)

[RACARNIE]

@TheSidney1961 If God created us without the power to choose and we could only do the right thing always there would be no point creating us in the first place.It would be the same as having a programmed robot that says "I love you"...It wouldn't have any meaning.My father chose his path and has payed for it...He is a sad lonely bitter man who lives alone.I on the other hand have a great life.I havn't seen my dad in 20 years.His loss.I don't need mental healthcare bud I'm just fine.

[RACARNIE]

@TheSidney1961 Excuse me?...You seem not to understand alot of things...You sound more like my earthly father by the way you are talking...quick to anger,quick to judge and verbally abusive as well. That's sad. You do understand that our souls were created long before this earth age we are living in don't you? We all have a fair opportunity for salvation,Dr. Murray teaches that.If you want anyone to take you seriously I suggest cutting out the insults and accusations so a discussion is possible

[RACARNIE]

@TheSidney1961 I totally agree with what SonsofOil just said.You seem to be placing a different take on what Arnold Murray teaches rather than what he is actually saying.I am a person who's life has been changed for the better in so many ways since learning with the chapel.Understanding the deeper meanings and learning to follow the subject and translations from the root languages.I was born to a verry angry abusive father but that doesn't make me one.I don't blame God.His plan is perfect.

[Thestone3x]

I just came across this. It is about time the lies against Pastor Murray cease. Thank you and YAH Bless.

[SonsofOil]

Sydney1961 I have seen your vids and heard your words you seem to take the things Dr Murray says and only hear what you want to hear from them rather than what he actually says Cmon man youve got more brains than that if you would try actually reading the Bible WITH understanding rather then using them to heat your home and actually listen to Dr Murray rather than assuming you know it all from the english you might know for yourself what makes God the right one out of world of so many gods

[RACARNIE]

I sent him a message (the Mikes Christian corner guy) on u-tube.He wouldn't even aknowledge that Arnold Murray wasn't claiming to be a Prophet just a Bible teacher who was only giving an opinion about dates of Prophacies that WILL happen at some point but as all men he can be wrong.He claimed that the pastor hasn't repented for it.Mind you his statements were made 31 years ago.He seems to think among other things that he knows the pastors state of repentance with God.He then insulted me as well

[SonsofOil]

You are most welcome Mschief65 I have studied with Pastor Murray since 1988 and I have seen many You tube Liars and accusers over the years but none can back up their lies nor accusations ALL they can do is try to put a spin on what he says or make pathetic challenges as if Murray would endulge their ignorance and lend creedance to them by even acknowledging them , I doubt he ever even looks at YouTube , they know full well their challenges arent to him but are too try to fool the unlearned

[MsChief65]

Its all good sonsofoil! I have studied with Pastor Murray since '94 and it is very aggravating for me sometimes when I see these people post blatant lies about him. Then hide behind their computers . I have posted on his video in the past, and then he disabled all comments. Thank You for what you do sonsofoil!

[SonsofOil]

MsCheif65 I agree this challenger is no doubt affiliated with C.A.R.M and Matt Slick and uses the same feeble arguments as CARM with their english only understanding of the Bible , though they claim to be scholars of the languages if you look at their website you can clearly see they do not understand hebrew or greek idioms nor coloacialisms nor do they get the deeper meaning , I am sorry for miscontruing your remarks earlier , again sometimes it hard to tell if they are pro or con via blog

[SonsofOil]

I agree RACARNIE I do recall years ago in the 1980s that Dr Murray said he thought it was possible that the Anti Christ could come followed 5 months later by the True Christ before the year 2000 but he also said that was only his opinion at the time and by what was going on in the world it looked like Global Government was imminent even then and I am sure there are critics with old SC video tapes who look them over hoping for a gotcha moment so they can Say " LOOK LOOK MURRAY WAS WRONG "

[SonsofOil]

I am afraid I have misconstrude some of the comments left on this blog , I get so used to personal attacks about this video till sometimes I am not sure whether the comments left here are pro or con and to whom they are adressed meaning the $1000 challenger of Dr Murray or to myself in answer to that challenger LOL for my misunderstanding I do I most humbly apologize , any who teach the truth expect to have hatred flung at them as was even done to our Lord himself again I apologize

[RACARNIE]

Here is a good link for him to read concerning pastor Murrays statements in 1980

biblestudysite com/answers58.htm

[RACARNIE]

This critic "personal attacker" of Arnold Murray has a few other vids that claim to have proof of it but I see nothing in them that really do.I guess the one that even comes close is one that claims to be the pastor in his own words making prophecy claims that have been proven wrong where he names dates.

[MsChief65]

The so called challenger is a coward< he will not even allow someone to post on his lil video page. Like a snake, he likes to hide behind his computer screen. He is a coward and a liar! come out and show yourself "puff" if you are so filled with truth, why do you hide? We are calling you out! That is our challenge to you! Show yourself! any of our students will gladly take you on and win! allow us to reply on your pitiful challenge video...try to act like a man!

[tarzanda7]

Whoever made this video is Awesome , you just owned Mr.Scholar.Arnold Murray is one of the best out there .He is not afraid to stand up and tell the truth .If you would take time out of your busy busy schedual and actually listen to Arnold Murray and check everything he says out in Gods word you will see he is accurate! I used to think to myself that there was more to Gods word then what was taught , especially concerning "The Begining" , He made things clear and the bible piece together perfect

[SonsofOil]

so Dr Murray is a false teacher huh ? got any proof of that beyond your own personal opinion ? what does Pastor Murray teach thats false ? give scripture and verse, you of course are entitled to your opinion but unless you have some concrete proof that Murray teaches falsely which would come from study and from beyond an english only fair weather sunday school understanding of scripture then all you have is your opinion which you are entitled too .you can believe whatever you like

[tonyteb]

strong had a team of a 100 people and murray is a false teacher i listened to him for hears so you cant fool me and hes not the only one who teaches ch ch and vs by vs