What Would It Take For You To Fight For Your Liberty?

[slappeywack]

Pt 4 - There is no good excuse for standing idly by in an apathetic state of complacency to the increasingly barbaric dictates of this dystopian state. FREEDOM - use it or loose it!

[slappeywack]

Pt 3 - , learn about the strawman and your rights under common law vs maritime admiralty law (aka be the sovereign) invest your retirement accounts to boycott investments in monsanto and cargill and other evil corporations, the possibilities are endless and they don't have to be a burden. Do anything and everything you can and feel good about what you do, and dont feel bad about what you dont do. Start small and add more as you can adjust. There is no good excuse for standing idly by in an a

[slappeywack]

Pt 2, stop all unnecessary capital expenditures, stop shopping at big box stores, grow your own food, start neighborhood timebanks and other cooperatives, get your food directly from small local organic family farms through CSA's or farmers markets, buy organic and raw dairy, ask your grocers if their meat and dairy were humanely raised in non-CAFU and non-factory farms, home school your kids or have your neighborhood cooperative hire their own teachers, learn about the strawman and your rights

[slappeywack]

Thanks for all the great vids. With regards to this question, I would replace the word "fight" with some other word like "counter" or "overcome" or "transcend". It seems better to avoid instilling the vision of war and other physical means of resistance when we are so overmatched in that arena. Replace them with practical actions that are not intimidating and which will be unstoppable when enough people wake up and get with the program. Stop paying federal taxes, stop watching TV programmin

[TheSmackerlacker]

I'll be willing to fight if and when fighting becomes a viable option. As it stands, fighting would be suicide. There's no specific target to attack, and any targets that exist are eminently replaceable.

Even if you won, then what? There's no system in place for changing laws. There certainly isn't any method available to have a public vote.

Everything will collapse soon. It has to. This system is unsustainable. I'll fight then, but on a small scale. I can't fight the whole world.

[invertXtrogdor]

All these commeters complaining about corperations on the largest video-sharing website in world owned by a tech beheamoth. And they wonder why big businesses push them around.

[mazerrackham001]

For the record, I'm not advocating political violence. Any modern radical political change requires popular support, which clearly isn't coming any time soon.

[mazerrackham001]

Given all this and more, the fact that politicians and TSA agents aren’t being gunned down in the streets is amazing to me. It also suggests to me that this will never happen, no matter how many rights are taken away. If people were willing to put their lives on the line instead of just bitch on the internet, shit woulda gotten real-real by now. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but it certainly seems to indicate that the American people are no longer a force to reckon with.

[mazerrackham001]

The government can also force the courts to dismiss cases levied against the government by claiming such cases would reveal classified information, creating unlimited government immunity from judicial review or checks on government power.

And just to keep things light, you have to get permission from the government to marry someone, which is a total pisser.

[mazerrackham001]

The President gets to unilaterally decide if American citizens can be tried in a Federal court or by a military tribunal. The government can classify entire court cases, employ secret evidence, and even classify legal opinions to create secret courts, using secret evidence, supported by secret legal arguments. American citizens can be arrested without charge and sent to foreign countries for indefinite detention.

[mazerrackham001]

Citizens can now be legally arrested and held, without charge, indefinitely, by the military. Corporations can and do control our election process by dominating campaign financing. The Government, in turn makes it illegal not to buy insurance from corporations. TSA agents conduct warrantless searches and seizures, strip people naked and take nude pictures of people without restriction. It is now legal for the government to order the assassination of American citizens without charge or trial.

[stevegoff420]

Signage of NDAA >>> "When the People fear the Government, that is Tyranny. When the Government fear the People, that is LIBERTY!"~ Thomas Jefferson

You can not have a healthy society and economy w/out Habeas corpus and freedom of not only it's citizen but press and communications.

"Those who make peaceful REVOLUTION impossible also make violent REVOLUTION inevitable"~JFK

"DON'T EVER FORGET, that everything HITLER did, was LEGAL in Germany AT THE TIME he did it!"~ Dr Martin Luther King Jr.

[geehuckwow]

Taxation of necessities is slavery, slavery is not liberty. Slavery creates poverty, and that won't change until tax on necessity is eliminated. You can vote all you wish - never worked, never will.

[DracoPilamZ]

@61181crm It's worth a shot to hold him to his rhetoric, and I find it hard to believe that the userers would create a man with a solid voting record 40 years in advance just for one election. But whether Ron Paul is or isn't a fraud you can still get involved in politics. You can run a business, study law, and much much more. The collective solution is to vote sentators, congressmen, and even presidents that have libertarian ideas and hold them to it. If they don't, send them packing.

[trysometruth]

U.S. involvement in World War II was necessary and justified. U.S involvement in Vietnam and Iraq was unnecessary and unjustified. This professor being filmed in front of a greenscreen and then a college background placed behind him is completely unjustified.

[blazacwoot]

@trysometruth That really bothers you?

[jacobe888]

Liberty for USA = liberty to exploit, attack, wage war to any country that doesn't go with their big lie. 8-]

[DracoPilamZ]

Ron Paul is the Jesus-Christ of politics.

[PapaLuvTLC]

"I prefer liberty with danger than peace with slavery.” - Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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[lifeisaliewithoutaf]

National ID cards and which you have to carry on you at all times...thats my breaking point...thats when you know Big Brother and the NWO are on ur doorstep...1984 is happening as we speak

[midwestcharm]

As long as people have cable TV, they feel like they will be o.k.

If cable was lost people would wake up

[Panpiper]

I guess to properly answer the question, one would have to define what was meant by 'fight'. I do fight already with words, in person, in blog/forum posts, etc.. If fight means get out the guns and start killing people, I dare say it would take a complete absence of bread and circuses along side a government forcibly denying me the right to do what I need to do to make or earn my own such 'bread'.

[Joester41]

I believe Thomas Jefferson said it best: “Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.”

[davidbrd0071]

what will it take for people to notice there liberty no longer exist.

[Magicwillnz]

What exactly is this guy insinuating? I'd fight for democracy, sure, but everything on LearnLiberty is so anti-democratic I'd be frightened to know what sort of "liberty" they want to impose on the rest of us.

[deathclaw555]

@Magicwillnz They are not talking about fighting for liberty but about fighting for liberty. And as such, they HAVE TO be anti-democratic. Because you can have either democracy or liberty. But you cannot have both.

Democracy is just a tyranny of the majority.

[Magicwillnz]

@deathclaw555 If democracy is the tyranny of the majority, then "libertarianism" is the tyranny of the wealthy. I have much more power as an enfranchised voter than I have in a free-market society. It is the one thing that puts me on equal ground with wall-street billionaires and media moguls. Why would I ever give up the right to vote? How would that ever make me more free? What I want is true democracy, enfranchised solely by the people, not a republic.

[deathclaw555]

@Magicwillnz But you COULD be better of only as long as you would be a part of that majority. You could - only in theory. In reality, even the majority hardly ever benefits. Look up on google "the myth of the rational voter" and " public choice theory".

[deathclaw555]

@Magicwillnz And to the "democracy helps the common man to be protected against those greedy, rich people " myth - please watch this video on youtube "Why You Are Unemployed - Part 2" from 06:20. I used to think the same way you do, but after many, many hours of studying the history of statism and political power, I realized that it's always the rich who benefit from the government, not the poor.

[deathclaw555]

@Magicwillnz I am sorry for sending so many messages, but I would like to ask you one more question. How could the rich impose some kind of tyranny on the common people, if every kind of violence, being it rape, murdering, wars or taxation would be judged all as evil? Nowadays, only some of these are judged so and the others are even praised. And the rich can legally spoil others, just look at all those monstrous bailouts, for these too big to fail companies.

[Magicwillnz]

@deathclaw555 (1st post) Let me answer your question with a question: when has less democracy ever resulted in more freedom? Is democracy more or less arbitrary? Anyone in power who tells you democracy is no good has an agenda. The people in power have always consistently opposed democracy because it gives normal people a voice no matter who they are. Are you naive enough to believe that the elites would care if the poor couldn't vote?

[Magicwillnz]

@deathclaw555 (2nd post) Tyranny is not just about rape, murder, and so forth. It is about depriving people of options. People who have no access to education, to food, to security, to means of advancing themselves, to clean environment and to health are living under a tyranny. The wealthy will still have these options if they are taxed somewhat. The poor probably wouldn't. So even if all those things were considered universally wrong a tyranny would still be possible.

[deathclaw555]

Change the first word "liberty" for "democracy"

[Joester41]

@Magicwillnz democracy is majority rule, the majority can vote to take away your liberty, rights, property, etc etc. America is a republic, our politicians are democratically elected, but you can't put peoples rights and liberty to a vote. This is the main difference between a republic and democracy, a republic protects individual rights, a democracy does not, the founders warned of this, so they did everything in their power to make this a republic.

[Magicwillnz]

@Joester41 Of course republics don't protect individual rights. We had a republic, and we had slavery. How could you even say such a thing when so many people had no rights at all? An increase of individual rights has almost always come with democratic enfranchisement. If the Patriot Act and similar laws were put up to a vote by the American people, it would have never passed. You'd need a republic to deprive people of their liberty so effectively.

[Joester41]

@Magicwillnz democracies work, for a while, until everybody realizes they can just vote to take everybody else's property. Slavery definately isn't a shining moment in American history, but slavery also existed to a much greater extent in the democracies you speak of. Have you ever read the patriot act? The patriot act is one of the reasons we don't actually have a republic anymore. Democratic, Republican, democracy, republic, are all different things and are unrelated.

[Magicwillnz]

@Joester41 I know slavery existed in democracies, but I didn't make the claim that democracies protect individual freedoms. Now, you give those slaves the right to vote, what do you think happens? Do you think slavery would last long as an institution?

I don't really get your last point. I know political parties and governments are different. The patriot act was passed in a republican government, how is that not relevant? Does that not weaken your argument?

[Joester41]

@Magicwillnz that doesn't weaken my argument, that proves my point. Most Republican's actions don't really reflect what a republic stands for, and most Democrats defend democracy without really understanding it. People assume that the parties and forms of government are one. Both parties are pretty much the same now, both are tyrannical. Everybody argues left or right, what they don't understand is that there is an up and a down, libertarians and totalitarians.

[Joester41]

@Magicwillnz In the unlikely event that slaves were allowed to vote in a democracy, they would still remain slaves until they were able to gain the majority vote (51%). Giving slaves the right to vote? I'll do you one better, start a country with everybody free and make the government's only role to protect their freedom and liberty and you will see the most prosperous civilization that has ever existed.

[Magicwillnz]

@Joester41 A) There is no evidence that limited government makes civilization more prosperous, "civilization" being the operative word. B) There wouldn't need to be a majority of slaves, they'd just need to convince a majority to support them, which would be easy. If they fail, they can just do it over and over and over again. C) Of course it weakens your argument. You said that republics defend individual liberty. I demonstrated they don't.

[Joester41]

@Magicwillnz A) america was very prosperous and had many innovations while there was very limited government, the same can not be said for totalitarian governments. B) I didn't say the majority would be slaves, I merely stated they would have to GAIN the majority of votes. C) my argument is still sound, what you have actually demonstrated is that we don't actually have a republic, which is what I'm trying to tell you. I can name a cat "Dog" but that doesn't make it a dog...

[Joester41]

@Magicwillnz A) america was very prosperous and had many innovations while there was very limited government, the same can not be said for totalitarian governments. B) I didn't say the majority would be slaves, I merely stated they would have to GAIN the majority of votes. C) my argument is still sound, what you have actually demonstrated is that we don't actually have a republic, which is what I'm trying to tell you. I can name a cat "Dog" but that doesn't make it a dog...

[Magicwillnz]

@Joester41 A) The most prosperous times in our country had extensive government investment in education, infrastructure, science etc with very high taxes. B) I brought up the example as a demonstration of how people would rectify wrongs in a democratic way. Can you deny democracy gives no recourse to the dispossessed? C) How is our government not a republic?

[Joester41]

@Magicwillnz ownership of private property has been all but eliminated. To have rights you have to have property, whether that is your own life, your ability to travel, or your ability to own your land, etc. If you are forced to pay taxes, or need a permit or license to do any of these things, you don't actually have rights or liberty. If the government isn't protecting our rights, then technically it isn't a republic (the type our founders envisioned). watch "democracy, tyranny, and liberty"

[Magicwillnz]

@Joester41 I have no idea what you are talking about. How exactly has private property been eliminated? We still have private property. The Constitution makes no mention of taxes being a violation of property rights. Are you suggesting, for example, that having a driver's license or pilot's license infringes upon one's right to drive or pilot a plane?

[Joester41]

@Magicwillnz excise taxes are ok, they are voluntary. Taxes on your wages or labor like the income tax, especially when it is instituted by force or threat of force, indesputably violate rights. Drivers licenses, vehicle registration, marriage licenses, concealed weapon permits all infringe on rights. A right is something you don't need permission to do, a privilage is granted to you by whoever has the right. if you have a right to travel using your own property, you don't need a license.

[Magicwillnz]

@Joester41 That's not really a serious argument. What about the right to be safe on the road? The right to know that only sane people can have handguns? To NOT have driver's license and concealed weapon permits infringe on rights. You can take it to absurd degrees: do restrictions on nuclear weapons infringe on your rights? What about the rights of everybody around you? I've heard the income tax argument but I just don't see it. Excise taxes are much more regressive.

[Joester41]

@Magicwillnz You fail to see the responsibility that comes with rights. Owning a firearm or operating a vehicle require certain levels of responsibility. A right exists regardless of law, and safety is a poor basis to impose law. The definition of safety is different for every individual since everybody accepts a different level of risk. What should regulate action is the consiquence of that action. The only limitation on rights are the equal rights of others.

[Magicwillnz]

@Joester41 Exactly: it's about responsibility. Responsibility not to your own safety, but the safety of those around you. People who drive next to you want to know if you are qualified to drive a car, whether you have the vision for it, whether you suffer from sudden blackouts, whether you know and respect the rules of the road. Having no license is irresponsible not to yourself but people you drive with. Responsibility means nothing if those consequences are suffered by others.

[Joester41]

@Magicwillnz So what you are saying is without a license you would drive recklessly? Responsibility is the act of thinking about your actions and the consiquences, not only for yourself, but for others as well.

[Joester41]

@Magicwillnz your entire argument implies that people are inherently immoral, irresponsible, and ignorant, that they require permission or licensure to be moral, responsible, and intelligent.

[Magicwillnz]

@Joester41 No, it doesn't. It implies SOME people are immoral, irresponsible, and ignorant, and I didn't imply "inherent". Your philosophy seems to imply everyone is perfect and moral. I shouldn't need to give you examples of why they aren't. If we didn't have any rules, we'd have to invent them. Besides, YOU don't trust people enough to have democracy, why would you trust them for anything else? If we're inherently moral, why wouldn't democracy work?

[Joester41]

@Magicwillnz I'm not saying there shouldn't be rule of law, I just think that rights should not be licensed and regulated. When you regulate rights they are no longer rights, they are privileges. Nobody is perfect, but they also shouldn't be assumed to be immoral unless they prove otherwise, just like you wouldn't want to be considered guilty until proven innocent. I have much more confidence in a society educated about rights then one relying on democracy, democracy is a flawed system.

[Magicwillnz]

@Joester41 By asking people for qualifications I'm not assuming they're immoral, I just want a guarantee that they know what they are doing. When people are allowed into professions they know nothing about, they do malpractice and that hurts the professionalism and trust of everyone else. Yes, I can tell people I'm an earthquake engineer and that I will proof their house against earthquakes, but come the first earthquake I'll have their money and they'll be dead.

[Joester41]

@Magicwillnz I would choose a doctor with experience over a qualification anyday. When people start a profession they work their way up, gaining experience and reputation from coworkers and customers. If you are a crappy doctor, you aren't going to be a doctor very long. A system already exists to solve disputes, infringements on rights, and fraud cases, they are called courts. If somebody legitimately hurts you, take them to court, thats why we have them.

[Magicwillnz]

@Joester41 The system you describe is dangerous for a customer especially where one's life and livelihood is concerned. The point is not to arrest an incompetent driver after he kills someone, the point is to prevent the incompetent driver from being on the road in the first place. There's no guarantee of safety, but at least the guy was trained and passed exams. Historically, incompetent, untrained people have stayed in business fooling people... they got rich... isn't that obvious?

[bluefootedpig]

Sadly (i guess), i am a christian, and therefore meek. I would not fight for liberty. But as long as I can vote, or help out, I will. I just won't openly "fight"... maybe I misunderstood the question.

[CorrespondingReality]

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable. - John F. Kennedy

[frogman92981]

im really close right now



[avgleandt]

if free speech is taken away, then everyone will i have to fight, phsycially, that will be the only option left.

[PinkyWontWork]

@avgleandt So it'd be ok to let them take the 2nd amendment away and you wouldn't fight? Not until it gets to the 1st amendment? Well, when you get around to putting things into perspective you'll realize that there's nothing, no Bill Of Rights, no freedom..nothing without the 2nd amendment. It all came about due to the 2nd.

[PinkyWontWork]

@avgleandt So it'd be ok to let them take the 2nd amendment away and you wouldn't fight? Not until it gets to the 1st amendment? Well, when you get around to putting things into perspective you'll realize that there's nothing, no Bill Of Rights, no freedom..nothing without the 2nd amendment. It all came about due to the 2nd.

[kebabkungen90007]

Liberty is a precious gift... Not from the government! Anarcho-capitalism ftw

[Jotto999]

I'm willing to avoid/evade taxes as much as I can. Get to the root of the problem.

[LibertarianChristian]

For me was when I woke up that corporations and banks use government for gain and hurt the people through inflation and regulation.

Ron Paul 2012!

[Arcturistheballer]

@LibertarianChristian its the other way around, its the government using the banks/corps

[flyinbry]

good vid!!!!

[TheTacticalView]

I think we'll see as they get older and see more and more of how govt rips people off on a daily basis, the're feelings might change. And they will get sick of putting up with the parasites who infest our govt.

[CosmosPrivateer]

This is a professor? Liberty was given by the captain of a ship as the people left the ship.

Liberty by definition is not FREEDOM.

[greyson120]

@CosmosPrivateer Thats just one of 5 definitions I googled for liberty, Bro.

[nannyberries]

@CosmosPrivateer The captain gave the crew their freedom from the ship. No?

[WideWorldOfWisdom]

I guarantee if it got to this point, they'd start "thinking like that"...

/watch?v=SLZq2iaMpXY

[hartlib4]

Define fight. Also,my liberty isn't anyone elses to give to me.

[apalm20]

My mind is blown...........

[rockinandout]

My generation has been handed everything including freedom, so why defend that which we do not know the value of? I mean we didn't have to work for it so we don't know it's true value. Christ, I hate my generation.

[TheHossUSMC]

I reached my tipping point a long time ago, I'm just waiting for a few more to as well.

[HitmannDDD]

WinterXL, you shouldn't encourage anyone to join the military. Its nothing but a tool of the globalists controling our nation.

[HitmannDDD]

Travis, take a look at the occupy wall street vids being posted. I fear its too late for a peaceful retun of our republic. I pray to god I'm wrong.

[kylethebomber]

I would say that there were a lot of people that felt that way in 1776.  Luckily we had an irate and tireless minority.

/watch?v=O0J04iO2JGw

[StateExempt]

All it took for me was a realization that I and almost everyone else were not as free as they thought they were.

[sonofagunM357]

If a corporation hired me and payed me a decent pay to take your freedom away I would take that job and live well.

[CosmosPrivateer]

@sonofagunM357

Happens everyday it's either corporations or our government doing it. Shouldn't be hard for you to find employment.

[fieldninjai]

Its not that people today are different today than those in 1775, its simply that people today don't know the answer because they have never been faced with a blatant threat of any kind; if they were, the answers would become apparant immediately.

[BRINK00]

WOW - such a great question and yet such a sad answer from the students. I hope the professor did his best to persuade the students the value in Liberty. I guess it's hard for the generation that is "given" Liberty to fully appreciate and value it...."you don't know what you got, until it's gone"

[TravistheHuman]

At this point it should be peaceful resistance but King George III was violent. We should use peaceful resistance first.

[Opiateoftheone]

Liberty is already dying a death of a thousand cuts. We have been the frog in the gradually warming pot who suddenly has become uncomfortable and would love to hop out. Coming soon will be some sort of censorship of the internet and more years of dumbing down the populace. Devaluation of the dollar to keep the masses working longer and harder to bring the standard of living down closer to third world. Trying to confiscate the firearms would be final straw for many I think!

[duke1duke1]

I'm just moving from North America to Asia. Why should I fight? These seniors expect me to work my hand to the bone to pay for their luxurious retirements, when they own their own houses, cars, RV's, etc clear with no debt. They want to fleece the youth dry. Well to hell with them, hyperinflate your currency to pay for your leisure years, I'm out of here.

[wymx1]

Of all the things I want for my child (love, happiness, security, ect.) Liberty is the only thing worth fighting and dying for. We have a chance to secure this now and turn back the tide; if we miss this opportunity to do this peacefully all bets are off. I've had enough.

r3VO_| ution

[TacticalCitySlicker]

It only took 3% then to stand up and fight, and that was during highly religious closed off society.... Do your own math.

[mangoswiss]

The point at which I have to subject my son to state run healthcare and education.

Before my son was born politics was an interesting philosophical and intellectual exercise but at his birth I became acutely aware that the British infatuation and dogmatic reverence for the National Health Service and statism in general was a very real risk to his health, happiness and future prosperity. I'll carry on fighting like a gentleman but I'm no longer taking prisoners.

[USBankruptcy]

Does anyone really want liberty? No stupid sheep like being lead into the pen at night, back out to pasture & then to the shearing. Shear my ass with that thing.

[UltraConservative298]

I think our liberties have been destroyed for a century! Everyone should fight to dismember the IRS and Federal Reserve!

Ron Paul 2012!!!!

[ironhaas503]

if you fight for liberty you will die or end up in the prison industry. besides most humans despise freedom. look at a history book.

[leeknivek]

@frogsoda i do not think that america's education system is biased to the left or the right. at least, if it is, it's pretty subtle, and therefore insignificant.

@TheGac504 you don't need a career, just keep your eyes, ears, mouth and mind open.

[TheGac504]

what carreer is there that i can spend the rest of my life fightin tyranny and defending liberty

[boristhepython]

@TheGac504 ron paul has been doing it since the 70s

[WinterXL]

@TheGac504  marines.com

[nobody24601]

@WinterXL So I can fight tyranny by becoming a puppet of the state? Brilliant!

[nickdeb2]

@TheGac504 be a banker, if you're good you can earn enough money to support liberty.

[NOLAMarathon2010]

@TheGac504

The career of citizenship.

[crazykeith1087]

@TheGac504  The military

[manor1730]

@TheGac504 seasteading . org/

[WaagooshTheRedFox]

@TheGac504 1 2 3 4 we love the marine corps

[TheGac504]

what carreer is there that i can spend the rest of my life fightin tyranny and defending liberty

[tseawell90]

I just had the exact same conversation with a buddy of mine the other day. We are both undergraduate students studying at a university in Maryland. I was surprised when he said that he was willing to sacrifice personal liberty for a feeling of safety because I thought most people disagreed with this notion! My question is, at what point is it acceptable to sacrifice individual rights in order to have someone else take care of your needs?

[WhatAxBrit]

what liberty?

[frogsoda]

Our liberal education system trains them not to "think like that".

[kwl453]

Great video!

[MRSketch09]

@H1TMANactual LoL. Good point.