I disagree strongly with the idea of 'good people bad people'.
You can make someone do bad thing without an ideology very very easily. Give them an easy opportunity to get ahead by stealing, cheating, lying etc. without repercussions and most will do it. Push someone a bit to hard and they might snap.
Humans are to complex to use labels like good and evil. Although I think they DO tend a little more towards what we'd call evil out of the two.
Fact is for humans to do evil what you need is a scott free opportunity, an emotional state, or simply an honest belief that they are doing the right thing (which can be given by any ideology, but also just be completely a personal idea not derived from an ideology.)
There are no 'good people' or 'bad people' (Although some will be more genetically inclined to be nasty or nice, that's not the same.)
"Prick" is actually the wrong word. Prick implies that god knows that what he's doing is dumb, but he does it anyway. Prick is synonymous with asshole. No, the more appropriate word is dickhead. Dickhead implies that god is a bumbler which seems a more apt description
God has manifested his glory and shown me wonderful things. God can do the same to you if you like. I have seen how God transform the life of others in a way impossible to reproduce by treatments, drugs or psychoanalysis. God had given me signs of things unknown to me that I have personally confirmed to be true after. God is conscious energy. There isn't a single argument to disprove his existence and many to support it. Your life will be better and you will be happier, then why not to believe?
@atheistram .. typical atheist, uneducated and can't read, can you? I'M NOT CHRISTIAN. That is the problem with idiot atheist. They only read what they want and anything else is irrelevant if it doesn't fit the stupid atheist point of view.
@atheistram .. "Your like one of the idiots who said germs, bacteria, & virus can't exist just because u can't see it & @ that time couldn't prove it. Then it was proven and idiots like you had to admit you are wrong. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist""
“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.” - Steven Weinberg
I don't believe in religion but I certainly believe in a higher power. I find it interesting that atheist actually believe something can be created out of nothing. That just doesn't happen. Let's say the big bang happened, something had to create the big bang. Something had to create the particles or energy that caused the big bang. I don't know why we exist or why anything exist but I hope there will come a time in my existence, whether this life or the next level, I will be enlightened.
Um, it's actually theists who believe something can be created from nothing. Atheists just say that they aren't sure.
"something had to create the particles or energy that caused the big bang" why? Why couldn't the energy just have simply always existed in one form or another?
@WitchHunter93 .. "why? Why couldn't the energy just have simply always existed in one form or another?" There had to be a beginning. Something had to start that energy.
Energy can't be created or destroyed, so it's safe to say that the energy wasn't created and could have just always existed in some form or another.
You were saying it's impossible for the energy to have always existed, and that therefore it must have been created. You made the claim. Now where's your evidence?
Read what I said. It's the law of conservation of energy
You're the one who claims that it's impossible for energy to have always existed, therefore you have a burden of proof that you refuse to fulfill. My stand point is that it's obviously very possible that energy could have always existed because it's consistent with the law of conservation of energy.
I have that law to justify my position, though I haven't made any claims yet.
@WitchHunter93 .. I keep forgetting you were alive billions of years ago. I keep forgetting that all throughout history, including modern history, scientist have been proven wrong. A true scientist admits their work has the potential of being proven wrong in the future. You say you have proven that energy has existed always. NO YOU HAVEN'T. You have proven nothing. To ask that someone else prove how everything exist when you were not alive when everything was created is STUPID.
I never said that I proved anything. If I could actually prove it then I would be earning millions of dollars. What I CAN do, however, is show that my position is very likely to be true. You said that there HAD to be a creator, but you refused to show evidence for that claim. I didn't say that energy HAD to always exist, I said that it probably did, since it's consistent with the law.
Those are absurdly ignorant points you made "scientists have been proven wrong" "We weren't there!"
You're trying to put me on the defense on a position that I loosely hold and several times I've mentioned that it's only a very possible theory that energy always existed. What YOU did when you said there HAD to be a creator, it means that energy wouldn't exist otherwise, and when I ask you for evidence for that claim then you ignore it and ask me for evidence back
Sorry, I didn't make a claim, I only asserted a possibility
You made a claim, so if you can't prove it then take it back
Please learn what the burden of proof actually is before trying to shift it back at anyone who disagrees with your claim, otherwise it just makes you sound stupid.
@WitchHunter93 .. that is funny. This video is making the first claim, which you support. Therefore, you are the first to make a claim, not I. Back it up or shut up.
Again, I didn't make a claim. I proposed an alternative explanation.
The reason I did that was as a response to YOUR claim that there HAD to be a creator that made the energy. I asked "why couldn't the energy just always exist in one form or another?", I never made the claim "Energy HAD to always exist in one form or another" I said that it is very POSSIBLE that the energy could always exist, thus challenging your claim that there must have been a creator.
The only thing that could be interpreted as a claim that I said was that it's very possible that the energy could always exist at least in some form. I already demonstrated that it's possible using the law of conservation of energy as a loose way to justify my belief. I don't have to demonstrate that it actually DID, since that wasn't my assertion, only that it's possible. That's exactly what I did, thus challenging your claim that there HAD to be a creator. Now back yours up.
@WitchHunter93 .. lol, my original comment which included "had" does not differ from your faith. Something "had" to. I don't know why you two keep trying to require proof when you have NO proof to back your faith? You can't prove your beliefs. You have faith in your beliefs. aka science.
You're just trying to shift the burden of proof by making an argument from ignorance
Please demonstrate why there had to be something that "made" energy, since that implies that energy couldn't exist otherwise. All I have to do is show why energy always existing is a very good possibility, since that's my position. That's exactly what I just did.
@WitchHunter93 .. I have faith in my belief that there is a higher power involved in our lives. Why can't you accept that we both have different faiths? You can't prove your faith anymore than I can prove mine, but you seem to think I should believe in your faith just because you don't like my faith.
I don't have faith because I'm not believing anything that doesn't have at least something to back it up. You are believing in a higher power with no evidence at all, that is your faith. My *trust* in science comes from the fact that the scientific method actually works, it's demonstrably accurate, and it is constantly sharpens itself as new information comes in.
What YOU have is a blind guess, which is worlds apart from what I have. At least I don't claim to know the answer, honesty
@WitchHunter93 .. you have faith in your god science. I have faith in mine. You believe in and trust your god science. I believe in and trust mine. Your science for how the universe was created has only theory and no actual tangible evidence to back it up. You go by individuals like Steven Hawkings as your prophet and yet even your prophet(s) only say it is a theory because just as religions (which I don't believe in) write down their theories of creation, so do your science prophet(s).
That phrase alone tells me everything I need to know. You don't understand what science is, you don't understand what faith is, you don't understand that scientific theories are required to have tons of evidence and I doubt you even know what a scientific theory is either. Science proves itself to be successful, it requires no faith, it always has evidence, your god does not.
So you take your holy book, I'll take my parachute, and I'll meet you at the bottom of the cliff.
You should also stop taking medicine, stop flying airplanes, stop using electricity, stop riding cars, and stop being held down by gravity.
Because according to you, that is all theory. You see, almost everything in science is scientific theory, but you compare it to religion which is absurd. The big bang theory does have evidence, plenty of it, but you don't care to learn. So stick to your holy book, because my parachute working is theory too
@WitchHunter93 . I have stated I don't believe in religion, so your holy book remark was another stupid "come back". I have never denied the realities of gravity, electricity, or science has been helpful. You are so wrapped up with your FAITH in the non existence of a higher power that you can't see that your FAITH has proven nothing about how the universe was created.
Faith is belief without evidence. I have no belief that doesn't have evidence, you do.
There is no such thing as having faith in the non-existence of something. That's like saying that you have faith that invisible pixies are real, that's absurd, what I have is a lack of faith in those things.
If you can't even wrap your mind around the definitions of a few simple terms like "faith" and "scientific theory" then it's no wonder you are so confused.
If you're going to define "faith" and just trust in something, then you might as well call it trust.
However, your "faith" in god is nothing close to my *trust* in science. Because science is demonstrably accurate and reliable. It has allowed us to have a better understanding of how the universe once was before it expanded into what it is now, though evidence of the big bang. Your faith is just guessing
@WitchHunter93 .. you have no evidence. Only assumptions. Change the parameters of the equation and the end result will change. Only an idiot, which I consider u2b, would conclude that current science has all parameters available. Your like one of the idiots who said germs, bacteria, & virus can't exist just because u can't see it & @ that time couldn't prove it. Then it was proven and idiots like you had to admit you are wrong. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist
Nobody said that just because you can't see it that therefore it didn't exist. However, because you don't have evidence for something, then there is no reason to believe that it does exist. What you're making is a strawman argument, typical fallacy.
Definition of Faith: 1. strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp without proof or evidence.
^ that is what YOUR faith is, not mine. I told you, if you're going to compare us by playing with a loose definition of faith, say trust.
@WitchHunter93 .. Definition of Faith: 1. Complete trust or confidence in someone or something. So IDIOT, your belief system and my belief system does fall under FAITH. Try again idiot.
But by your loose definition, yes I have that form of faith, I'll agree. With the definition where it is a strong belief in something without proof or evidence, then I do not have faith, only you do.
You can do the research yourself. Just wikipedia "Big Bang". If you don't like wikipedia then you can inbox me and I'll give you better cites that are more accurate and detailed about the theory and its evidence.
That is how this universe formed to its current state.
No faith or god is required so far. I already acknowledged the fact that you refuse to provide evidence for your claims, yet you question me for whatever reason.
@WitchHunter93 .. my first post " I don't know why we exist or why anything exist but I hope there will come a time in my existence, whether this life or the next level, I will be enlightened."
"Let's say the big bang happened, something had to create the big bang. Something HAD to CREATE the particles or energy that caused the big bang."
That's where I questioned you..
I asked you why couldn't the energy just have always existed in some form or another?
Then you fell into a puddle of confusion, trying to shift the burden of proof, as if I was making a claim. No, I wasn't making a claim, I was questioning yours. You still avoid it.
@atheistram .. Why don't you read up on NDEs and then reply. You have no proof it doesn't exist and I have many accounts from ALL walks of life to back up my view/opinion.
@atheistram .. really...what proof, other than someone else's OPINION, do you have for this view of yours? You don't seem to comprehend that the individual making the assumption you have chosen to put your FAITH in is just that, an assumption. An assumption only by an individual(s) who is biased in their opinion because that individual(s) does not want to see anything else. You criticize those who believe in a higher power when you have NO proof that your FAITH is fact.
@atheistram .. what evidence do you have that god does not exist? what evidence do you have that your view of how the universe was created is correct? YOU DON'T. All you have is OPINION regarding your choice of FAITH. Do you know the definition of theory? Your PROFITS only have theory based on their personal FAITH. You and all atheist are a bunch of MORONS.
@atheistram ..a previous post of mine that you obviously haven't read. "you have no evidence. Only assumptions. Change the parameters of the equation and the end result will change. Only an idiot, which I consider u2b, would conclude that current science has all parameters available."
@Gay4U1979 Wow, shifing the burden of proof. Look, you made the claim that God exists. Therefore the onus is on you.
And another logical fallacy in the same post? What is this Christmas?? Resorting to Ad Hominem attacks because you realize you don't have a leg to stand on.
I gave you my proof: lack of evidence of any God. What about your objective evidence for a God? Don't expect you to answer the question but if you do you'll make my day because you'll be the FIRST God-believer EVER to do so.
@atheistram .. also, this video made the 1st claim. This video claims those who believe in god are wrong. You agree with the video and therefore made the 1st claim. You are the one with the burden of proof MORON. As yet, you have not proven god/higher power does not exist. Only assumptions from those who do not believe in god/higher power.
@Gay4U1979 .. and....we are never going to agree. you are NEVER going to sway me to believe in your religion. Your profits are NO different than any other religious profits throughout history. Make big claims with no proof and their chosen belief.
@atheistram .. Shows how stupid you are. Atheism is a religion. You have FAITH. You have BELIEFS. You have PROPHETS. Atheism is a religion no different than any other religion. You have NO PROOF for your beliefs, yet you are FANATICS on your OPINIONS.
@atheistram .. Shows how stupid you are. Atheism is a religion. You have FAITH. You have BELIEFS. You have PROPHETS. Atheism is a religion no different than any other religion. You have NO PROOF for your beliefs, yet you are FANATICS on your OPINIONS.
@atheistram .. Atheist have FAITH. Read the definition. Atheist do have prophets. Atheist quote the works of "scientist" who put out theories that cannot be proven. Look up the definition of theory.
Evidence that a higher power exist is FACT. There is a beginning. There is always a beginning. No amount of crap Atheist try to spew will EVER change the fact that there is a beginning to EVERYTHING, including energy.
@atheistram .. Atheist have FAITH. Read the definition. Atheist do have prophets. Atheist quote the works of "scientist" who put out theories that cannot be proven. Look up the definition of theory.
Evidence that a higher power exist is FACT. There is a beginning. There is always a beginning. No amount of crap Atheist try to spew will NEVER change the fact that there is a beginning to EVERYTHING, including energy.
@Gay4U1979 Really?? A theory cannot be proven?? Maybe you need to look up the definition of "Scientific theory", not the layman's usage of the word theory. :
Maybe you should also look up the definition of Prophet. :P
And just because there is a beginning isn't evidence that a "higher power" caused it. And if you think it is... then you are speaking from a position of ignorance (i.e. argument from ignorance).
@atheistram .. lol Spoken like a true FANATIC. You are NO different than any other FANATIC spouting their religion expecting people to believe it on blind FAITH. Your PROPHETS using "scientific theory" cannot have all the variables. It isn't possible. Are you saying your PROPHETS have discovered ALL the possible elements in the universe? Are you saying that humans have reached their peak and have nothing new to discover? Whether you acknowledge it or not, you FANATICS are stating that.
@Gay4U1979 I'm the fanatic? You gotta be kidding me? Let me set this straight for you. I beleive in no God because of a lack of evidence. If you can provide ACTUAL evidence for your God's existence, I'm all ears. And if you can provide actual evidence I will convert on the spot.
You, on the other hand, if God were PROVEN to not exist would continue on in your delusion because YOU are the fanatic.
@Gay4U1979 I'm the fanatic? You gotta be kidding me? Let me set this straight for you. I beleive in no God because of a lack of evidence. If you can provide ACTUAL evidence for your God's existence, I'm all ears. And if you can provide actual evidence I will convert on the spot.
You, on the other hand, if God were PROVEN to not exist would continue on in your delusion because YOU are the fanatic.
@atheistram .. I will say this .. I find it interesting that you did not answer any of my most recent questions. Why? The answer is simple. You have no real evidence to support your case. That is why you are trying to label me with some religion. You can't handle the facts.
@Gay4U1979 Wow, shifing the burden of proof. Look, you made the claim that God exists. Therefore the onus is on you.
And another logical fallacy in the same post? What is this Christmas?? Resorting to Ad Hominem attacks because you realize you don't have a leg to stand on.
I gave you my proof: lack of evidence of any God. What about your objective evidence for a God? Don't expect you to answer the question but if you do you'll make my day because you'll be the FIRST God-believer EVER to do so.
@atheistram .. Why can't I be Muslim or Hindu or Buddhist? See, we both know that you have no valid reason to believe the way you do. Now your just trying to get under my skin by trying to associate me w/some bullshit religion so that you can feel better about your religious views. That is fine. You have to do whatever brings you comfort at the end of the day. I have proven that a higher power exist. You have chosen to follow your religious dogma and I am not going to argue w/you anymore.
@atheistram .. So your not going to answer the questions previously posted? Yes, I have proven the existence of a higher power. The FACT that there is ALWAYS a beginning, including ENERGY, is proof of a higher power. You only want to view a higher power through the eyes of Christians. Your very limited in your ability to critically think.
Also, I haven't retreated into a hole. You don't answer questions, only post stupid "comebacks". It isn't retreating when YOU refuse to backup your FAITH.
If you want to ask me where the big bang came from, then I'll give you an easy answer... I don't know.
I can speculate that the energy could have always existed, or it could have some outer source (which I find unlikely). I never claimed to know, but you claimed to know that it *must* have been created.
So you're the one claiming to know here, not me, now you show your evidence or admit that your claim is a guess without evidence.
@WitchHunter93 .. It is simple. There is always a beginning to everything. To say that energy always existed and then just one day decided to morph into a more complex energy is rubbish.
Energy doesn't "decide" to do anything. It merely reacts to other forces (reacting to matter, gravity, other energy... big bangs..) there doesn't need to be a wizard behind it. If you are confused as to how the big bang can lead to the formation of things like stars and planets, then any science book can easily explain it to you.
If you still think that's rubbish, then there is no hope for you. You simply don't care to learn.
@WitchHunter93 .. My stating "decide" was sarcasm. You obviously need to ponder on the issue for some time before you realize how stupid it sounds to say that energy just exist. I understand completely how your prophets have come to their conclusions. I have read a lot on the pro big bang subject. I find individuals who believe as you do to be delusional.
@WitchHunter93 .. We are never going to agree and your going to continue to twist my words to suit your reply even though sarcasm was obvious. I will not be replying to you again. You can make whatever ridiculous assumptions about the creation / beginning of the universe you want. At the end of the day, you are making assumptions and nothing is based on actual evidence or fact. I don't care.
At this point you're resorting to just calling it "stupid", which tells me that you are purposely close-minded and refuse to learn.
Scientists aren't prophets, they don't wait for the truth to come to them, they go look for it. That's how things get discovered, you should try to learn from it.
I was actually going along with your sarcasm, but you didn't seem to get that.
@Gay4U1979 Stephen Hawking's says it is the most likely answer that indeed positive energy can and does come from nothing or negative energy. Your god coming from nothing is still something coming from nothing. Why does this go over your head?
@scotttebben .. "most likely" means he doesn't know either. NONE of us was alive and you can't say for certain either way on your view. You have NO proof to support your view, so stop asking those who believe in god / higher power to provide proof for our views. If you cannot provide proof, how can you expect someone else to provide proof? You may not like it, but you are going on blind faith for your views just as those who believe in god / higher power go on blind faith for their view.
@Gay4U1979 The time to believe in a god is when there is proof one exists. It is those making the ridicules claims that bare the burden of proof. There may be werewolves and leprechauns too, but unless some one finds one you have to be dimwitted and a gullible fool to believe they are real.
@scotttebben .. same goes for anyone who believes there was and is no higher power behind the creation of the universe. To think something was created from nothing is ignorance, at best.
@Gay4U1979 As a result of digesting your comments, I conclude that your lack of intellect or cognitive skills simply implies further interaction would be of no interest.
StrangerInAStrangeLand's Wager : I wager that an omnipotent, sane loving god could not cause or allow anyone to suffer for eternity. I wager that if there is a god who causes or allows anyone to suffer for eternity, it cannot be relied upon to be omnipotent, sane & loving & simply cannot be trusted. If it cannot be trusted, it doesn't matter what humans do.
Why would you want a virgin? So she doesn't know you can't fuck very well, cause she can't compare it to anything else? Why don't women get promised 72 hotties in heaven?
@Serpico261 not forgetting IF Christianity was actually right there are 1000s of denominations of this single religion lol . but as Matt said , why would you beleive in a God who is a prick! haha
@theUKatheist you are so right! What drives me crazy and im serious, is the fact that people find it amusing that you or me would burn in hell....It just pisses me off, to know that some people have no problem with that, even i know that this will never happen
But what if there is a God, but this God only allows atheists into Heaven.
God: Well, you didn't believe and worship me. But that was the whole point of me making myself obscure. So you guys could just think about each other and help each other out without the promise a reward.
You christain guy. You only believed in me cause you hoped for an award. You turned your back on your brother because you thought I hated homosexuals. You go to hell now.
Also consider if you go to Heaven you'll be surrounded by Ned & Maud Flanders' and they'll always just wanna play pictionary. No thanks, save me a seat at the poker table in Hell with Nietzsche, George Carlin, Julius Caesar, and JFK(Lets be honest we know where the Bible says he went).
@schneke1 I believe man did not become what he is today (getting old and dying) until 6000~7000 years ago. Before that, man lived in the Garden of Eden. It's debatable how long man was in the Garden of Eden. It could have been billions of years. So, in my opinion, it is possible the Earth could be billions of years old but man, in the form he is in today, is not. I don't believe man has been in this state for millions of years because if he had been, we would have a lot more people on Earth.
Let's see if you are telling the truth, or if this is just another lie from a religitard.
Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them
Now, since you believe this to be true, all you have to do is make a short video of you drinking some sort of poison...Drano™ or some other holdhold cleaner should do nicely.
Once we're done with this one, I have a few more for ya. ;)
@Gooberlicious54 Again, you atheist love to take things out of context. I know you are probably tired of hearing it but it's the truth. That verse is referring to the disciples. Do you want me to spell if for you? OK. Here we go. Ready? D-I-S-C-I-P-L-E-S. Again? OK. D-I-S-C-I-P-L-E-S. Not yet? OK, again. D-I-S-C-I-P-L-E-S. If you don't get it by now, fuck off.
@YesYou123333 Calling someone an asshole? If you refer to your simpleminded phrase, WWJD. Just another argument toward Chistians and Hypocrisy going hand in hand unless jesus was an untillegent prick as well.
"Arguments cannot be answered by personal abuse.... Should it turn out that I am the worst man in the whole world, the story of the flood will remain just as improbable as before, and the contradictions of the Pentateuch will still demand an explanation."
He will deny ANYTHING, he is FAR too invested in his god-myth.
He has been brainwashed from the day he popped out of his mother.
His specific brain-pattern is not able to change from a few arguments.
His brain is physically formed by his parents and local priests. It's a lost fight, simply ignore these poor humans, who will never realize the real beauty of the universe. Or pity them
God will laugh at his argument "why didn't you provide enough evidence?". God will just answer, "see those people over there? To My right? They believed. Obviously I provided enough evidence for them". Like the Bible says, no one will have an excuse.
@crissxxx Or, how about Thor? You guys crack me up when you bring up these mythological gods. So, let's get this straight.....here's God sitting in the heavens and everyone is worshipping the "correct" god..let's say it's Zeus for arguments sake....and then the whole world moves either towards Islam or Christianity and God just sits there and does nothing? If Zeus or Thor will the "real" gods don't you think they would say something? Don't you think they would say "Hello...over here"?
Considering that the Egyptian pantheon has held since BEFORE 4,500 BC...Even if we assume that Judaic monotheism originated in 3,000 BC [when the first, still-predominately-POLYTHEISTIC Judaic texts actually originated], that's nothing compared to the Egyptian polytheism. And yet God seemed to have no issue with them.
Of course the Christian God didn't make a mention towards/against Islam. Nor the Judaic towards/against Christianity. So your own argument works against you.
@YesYou123333 So the texts and artifacts dated through many methods aside from Carbon-14 radiometric dating don't exist? So dinosaurs never existed, nor did homo erectus, nor any other organism that we have fossils of? So the over-6000-year-old trees that exist don't exist?
You then fail basic logic. But that aside, you forget about Judaism. And, ALSO, you fail to apply your own argument to the choices you present, which would admit Islam as "true" by your very argument.
@onijester56 We're talking about HUMANS!! Put your Atheistic-bias aside and think HUMANS!! Here I'll spell it for you H- come on spell along- U-M-A-N-S. Did you get it?? Good. Last time I looked a dinosaur or a tree is not a H-U-M-A-N. Here I'll spell it again. H-U-M-A-N. You know, those things you think came from apes. Now do you get it? There is NO evidence any humans lived 4300 years ago. NONE!!! Quit going to those Christian-Hating websites.
@YesYou123333 Miitochondrial Eve, the HOMO SAPIEN [read HUMAN] THAT ALL MODERN HUMANS ACQUIRED THEIR MITOCHONDRIAL DNA FROM has been dated to approximately 150,000 years ago.
Fossils place Homo sapiens in Ethiopia around 160,000 years ago.
Hell, approximately 12,000 years ago light skin is dated to have evolved IN HOMO SAPIENS.
And actual and unbiased scientific research cannot be claimed "Christian-Hating" unless Christian ideology conflicts with reality [hence making it false].
Additionally, the BIBLICAL CLAIMS make NO DISTINCTION between trees, dinosaurs, and man except on which DAY (read: days; there's two creation accounts) they were made.
And, even more important, the methods of dating the TREES and DINOSAURS applies to the same method as dating the TEXTS WRITTEN. So: for TEXTS written in KNOWN-HUMAN FONTS to date BEFORE 4,300 exist, there must be HUMANS TO WRITE THE TEXTS BEFORE 4,300.
But of course facts and evidence have no effect on you.
"In a world without religion, you would have good people doing good things, and bad people do bad things. To have a good person do bad things, it takes religion." - Steven Weinberg
The ancient Greeks had the right idea. They knew their gods were pricks and they would give offerings to calm them the hell down. They believed that the creatures which spawned the gods were bigger pricks so they tolerated them but war against the gods wasn't an impossible scenario if they got too far out of line.
Yes, religion and chruches have done SOME good. But Hitler did SOME good. I'm sure that Jeffery Dahlmer did SOME good. So what! It doesn't make up for all of the evil that religion does and has done.
does anyone believe in the possibility of a god that created all existing religions to test our rationality and to separate "greater" humans from "lesser" humans? I can't prove nor disprove this idea, but there is so much about the world we don't know.
@DefenitionBlack and much more that you dont know lol. people always wondered where did everything come from, god was the perfect answer. if all people lived in one big group, then there would probably be only one religion.
Hello to all please turn to God. He loves you. What more do you need than his love?
He loves you with His Infinitely Love and he wants to save you, but if you reject His Infinite Love you will be tortured forever. But he Loves you. It is your choice.
He loves me but since he has given me no reason to believe he exists he will torture me for relying on the 5 sense he supposedly gave me that don't allow to know anything past the natural world.
Fun Fact: Did you know that the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?
That is not free will. It is slave will. Do what I say or I will punish you. Just like when a slave disobeys his master he is punished.
If you loved someone would you EVER send them to be tortured eternally? Would you torture someone in your basement if they said they didn't love you? God says love me or be tortured forever. What an egotistical, shallow thing for someone, specially a god, to think. It's sadomasochism.
@J0EH3AD if he really loves me he wont care if i dont believe in him, we will just meet in heaven and have some holy sexy sex, cause you know, he loves me... ;) im all hot now... darn god..
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I disagree strongly with the idea of 'good people bad people'.
You can make someone do bad thing without an ideology very very easily. Give them an easy opportunity to get ahead by stealing, cheating, lying etc. without repercussions and most will do it. Push someone a bit to hard and they might snap.
Humans are to complex to use labels like good and evil. Although I think they DO tend a little more towards what we'd call evil out of the two.
'sides people can do bad things out of IGNORANCE
TheSkunkCat 1 month ago
@TheSkunkCat
Fact is for humans to do evil what you need is a scott free opportunity, an emotional state, or simply an honest belief that they are doing the right thing (which can be given by any ideology, but also just be completely a personal idea not derived from an ideology.)
There are no 'good people' or 'bad people' (Although some will be more genetically inclined to be nasty or nice, that's not the same.)
TheSkunkCat 1 month ago
EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE. FAITH IS NOT A PATHWAY TO TRUTH.
dkthg 2 months ago 6
"Prick" is actually the wrong word. Prick implies that god knows that what he's doing is dumb, but he does it anyway. Prick is synonymous with asshole. No, the more appropriate word is dickhead. Dickhead implies that god is a bumbler which seems a more apt description
Pigroota 3 months ago
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atheistram 4 months ago
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meant ever instead of never...
Gay4U1979 4 months ago
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God has manifested his glory and shown me wonderful things. God can do the same to you if you like. I have seen how God transform the life of others in a way impossible to reproduce by treatments, drugs or psychoanalysis. God had given me signs of things unknown to me that I have personally confirmed to be true after. God is conscious energy. There isn't a single argument to disprove his existence and many to support it. Your life will be better and you will be happier, then why not to believe?
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
@Gay4U1979 You can make all the assertions you like. Still doesn't make any of them evidence of your position.
atheistram 4 months ago
You idiots are boring me. Stop replying to me. If you want to post something, that is fine. Just stop replying to me with your idiocy.
Gay4U1979 4 months ago
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atheistram 4 months ago
@Gay4U1979 You have as yet to provide evidence that your faith in God is correct. So how exactly are we replying with "idiocy?"
Typical Christian. Using ad hominem attacks when you realize that your beliefs don't have a leg to stand on.
atheistram 4 months ago
@atheistram .. typical atheist, uneducated and can't read, can you? I'M NOT CHRISTIAN. That is the problem with idiot atheist. They only read what they want and anything else is irrelevant if it doesn't fit the stupid atheist point of view.
Gay4U1979 4 months ago
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@atheistram .. "Your like one of the idiots who said germs, bacteria, & virus can't exist just because u can't see it & @ that time couldn't prove it. Then it was proven and idiots like you had to admit you are wrong. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist""
Gay4U1979 4 months ago
Excellent soliloquy from Matt as usual
KrisBlueNZ 5 months ago
I don't know why people keep replying to me. I view it different than theist / atheist. That's just the way it is. Live with it.
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
"I don't wanna spend eternity with a God like that cos he's a prick." LOL! I burst out laughing at that golden line! :D
DeluxeSux 5 months ago
“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.” - Steven Weinberg
DastardlyDereK 6 months ago 4
I don't believe in religion but I certainly believe in a higher power. I find it interesting that atheist actually believe something can be created out of nothing. That just doesn't happen. Let's say the big bang happened, something had to create the big bang. Something had to create the particles or energy that caused the big bang. I don't know why we exist or why anything exist but I hope there will come a time in my existence, whether this life or the next level, I will be enlightened.
Gay4U1979 6 months ago
@Gay4U1979
Um, it's actually theists who believe something can be created from nothing. Atheists just say that they aren't sure.
"something had to create the particles or energy that caused the big bang" why? Why couldn't the energy just have simply always existed in one form or another?
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@WitchHunter93 .. "why? Why couldn't the energy just have simply always existed in one form or another?" There had to be a beginning. Something had to start that energy.
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
"Something had to start the energy"
No, there hadn't. You're just making false assertions without showing evidence
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@WitchHunter93 .. oh, please show your evidence :) .. You have just as much evidence for your point of view as I have for mine.
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
Energy can't be created or destroyed, so it's safe to say that the energy wasn't created and could have just always existed in some form or another.
You were saying it's impossible for the energy to have always existed, and that therefore it must have been created. You made the claim. Now where's your evidence?
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
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@WitchHunter93 .. oh, please show your evidence :) .. You have just as much evidence for your point of view as I have for mine.
I can keep posting the same request of you all day if that is what you want.
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@WitchHunter93 .. Where is your evidence that energy always existed?
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
Read what I said. It's the law of conservation of energy
You're the one who claims that it's impossible for energy to have always existed, therefore you have a burden of proof that you refuse to fulfill. My stand point is that it's obviously very possible that energy could have always existed because it's consistent with the law of conservation of energy.
I have that law to justify my position, though I haven't made any claims yet.
You made a claim, so what's your justification?
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@WitchHunter93 .. I keep forgetting you were alive billions of years ago. I keep forgetting that all throughout history, including modern history, scientist have been proven wrong. A true scientist admits their work has the potential of being proven wrong in the future. You say you have proven that energy has existed always. NO YOU HAVEN'T. You have proven nothing. To ask that someone else prove how everything exist when you were not alive when everything was created is STUPID.
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
I never said that I proved anything. If I could actually prove it then I would be earning millions of dollars. What I CAN do, however, is show that my position is very likely to be true. You said that there HAD to be a creator, but you refused to show evidence for that claim. I didn't say that energy HAD to always exist, I said that it probably did, since it's consistent with the law.
Those are absurdly ignorant points you made "scientists have been proven wrong" "We weren't there!"
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
You're trying to put me on the defense on a position that I loosely hold and several times I've mentioned that it's only a very possible theory that energy always existed. What YOU did when you said there HAD to be a creator, it means that energy wouldn't exist otherwise, and when I ask you for evidence for that claim then you ignore it and ask me for evidence back
Sorry, I didn't make a claim, I only asserted a possibility
You made a claim, so if you can't prove it then take it back
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
Please learn what the burden of proof actually is before trying to shift it back at anyone who disagrees with your claim, otherwise it just makes you sound stupid.
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@WitchHunter93 .. that is funny. This video is making the first claim, which you support. Therefore, you are the first to make a claim, not I. Back it up or shut up.
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
Again, I didn't make a claim. I proposed an alternative explanation.
The reason I did that was as a response to YOUR claim that there HAD to be a creator that made the energy. I asked "why couldn't the energy just always exist in one form or another?", I never made the claim "Energy HAD to always exist in one form or another" I said that it is very POSSIBLE that the energy could always exist, thus challenging your claim that there must have been a creator.
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@Gay4U1979
The only thing that could be interpreted as a claim that I said was that it's very possible that the energy could always exist at least in some form. I already demonstrated that it's possible using the law of conservation of energy as a loose way to justify my belief. I don't have to demonstrate that it actually DID, since that wasn't my assertion, only that it's possible. That's exactly what I did, thus challenging your claim that there HAD to be a creator. Now back yours up.
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@WitchHunter93 .. lol, my original comment which included "had" does not differ from your faith. Something "had" to. I don't know why you two keep trying to require proof when you have NO proof to back your faith? You can't prove your beliefs. You have faith in your beliefs. aka science.
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
You're just trying to shift the burden of proof by making an argument from ignorance
Please demonstrate why there had to be something that "made" energy, since that implies that energy couldn't exist otherwise. All I have to do is show why energy always existing is a very good possibility, since that's my position. That's exactly what I just did.
Now it's your turn to justify your position.
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@WitchHunter93 .. I have faith in my belief that there is a higher power involved in our lives. Why can't you accept that we both have different faiths? You can't prove your faith anymore than I can prove mine, but you seem to think I should believe in your faith just because you don't like my faith.
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
I don't have faith because I'm not believing anything that doesn't have at least something to back it up. You are believing in a higher power with no evidence at all, that is your faith. My *trust* in science comes from the fact that the scientific method actually works, it's demonstrably accurate, and it is constantly sharpens itself as new information comes in.
What YOU have is a blind guess, which is worlds apart from what I have. At least I don't claim to know the answer, honesty
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
If you still think I have "faith" that's anywhere close to your faith, then tell me exactly what I have faith in. I already covered science
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@WitchHunter93 .. you have faith in your god science. I have faith in mine. You believe in and trust your god science. I believe in and trust mine. Your science for how the universe was created has only theory and no actual tangible evidence to back it up. You go by individuals like Steven Hawkings as your prophet and yet even your prophet(s) only say it is a theory because just as religions (which I don't believe in) write down their theories of creation, so do your science prophet(s).
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
That phrase alone tells me everything I need to know. You don't understand what science is, you don't understand what faith is, you don't understand that scientific theories are required to have tons of evidence and I doubt you even know what a scientific theory is either. Science proves itself to be successful, it requires no faith, it always has evidence, your god does not.
So you take your holy book, I'll take my parachute, and I'll meet you at the bottom of the cliff.
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
You should also stop taking medicine, stop flying airplanes, stop using electricity, stop riding cars, and stop being held down by gravity.
Because according to you, that is all theory. You see, almost everything in science is scientific theory, but you compare it to religion which is absurd. The big bang theory does have evidence, plenty of it, but you don't care to learn. So stick to your holy book, because my parachute working is theory too
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@WitchHunter93 . I have stated I don't believe in religion, so your holy book remark was another stupid "come back". I have never denied the realities of gravity, electricity, or science has been helpful. You are so wrapped up with your FAITH in the non existence of a higher power that you can't see that your FAITH has proven nothing about how the universe was created.
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
Faith is belief without evidence. I have no belief that doesn't have evidence, you do.
There is no such thing as having faith in the non-existence of something. That's like saying that you have faith that invisible pixies are real, that's absurd, what I have is a lack of faith in those things.
If you can't even wrap your mind around the definitions of a few simple terms like "faith" and "scientific theory" then it's no wonder you are so confused.
Gravity is also theory, fyi
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@WitchHunter93 .. STOP REPLYING TO ME YOU STUPID IDIOT. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT FAITH IS AND HOW STUPID YOU SOUND WITH YOUR NONSENSICAL ARGUMENTS.
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
If you're going to define "faith" and just trust in something, then you might as well call it trust.
However, your "faith" in god is nothing close to my *trust* in science. Because science is demonstrably accurate and reliable. It has allowed us to have a better understanding of how the universe once was before it expanded into what it is now, though evidence of the big bang. Your faith is just guessing
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Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@WitchHunter93 .. your FAITH in science on how the universe was created is just guessing.
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
Except that science uses evidence, so it's not faith.
Try again.
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Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@WitchHunter93 .. you have no evidence. Only assumptions. Change the parameters of the equation and the end result will change. Only an idiot, which I consider u2b, would conclude that current science has all parameters available. Your like one of the idiots who said germs, bacteria, & virus can't exist just because u can't see it & @ that time couldn't prove it. Then it was proven and idiots like you had to admit you are wrong. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
Nobody said that just because you can't see it that therefore it didn't exist. However, because you don't have evidence for something, then there is no reason to believe that it does exist. What you're making is a strawman argument, typical fallacy.
Definition of Faith: 1. strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp without proof or evidence.
^ that is what YOUR faith is, not mine. I told you, if you're going to compare us by playing with a loose definition of faith, say trust.
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@WitchHunter93 .. Definition of Faith: 1. Complete trust or confidence in someone or something. So IDIOT, your belief system and my belief system does fall under FAITH. Try again idiot.
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
But by your loose definition, yes I have that form of faith, I'll agree. With the definition where it is a strong belief in something without proof or evidence, then I do not have faith, only you do.
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Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
You can do the research yourself. Just wikipedia "Big Bang". If you don't like wikipedia then you can inbox me and I'll give you better cites that are more accurate and detailed about the theory and its evidence.
That is how this universe formed to its current state.
No faith or god is required so far. I already acknowledged the fact that you refuse to provide evidence for your claims, yet you question me for whatever reason.
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@WitchHunter93 .. my first post " I don't know why we exist or why anything exist but I hope there will come a time in my existence, whether this life or the next level, I will be enlightened."
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
If you read a few sentences above that...
"Let's say the big bang happened, something had to create the big bang. Something HAD to CREATE the particles or energy that caused the big bang."
That's where I questioned you..
I asked you why couldn't the energy just have always existed in some form or another?
Then you fell into a puddle of confusion, trying to shift the burden of proof, as if I was making a claim. No, I wasn't making a claim, I was questioning yours. You still avoid it.
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979 You don't even have any reason to suppose there is a next level. :P
atheistram 5 months ago
@atheistram .. Why don't you read up on NDEs and then reply. You have no proof it doesn't exist and I have many accounts from ALL walks of life to back up my view/opinion.
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979 NDE's are caused by cerebral anoxia. Maybe you should do some reading up on NDE's and the purely natural explanations that explain them.
atheistram 4 months ago
@atheistram .. really...what proof, other than someone else's OPINION, do you have for this view of yours? You don't seem to comprehend that the individual making the assumption you have chosen to put your FAITH in is just that, an assumption. An assumption only by an individual(s) who is biased in their opinion because that individual(s) does not want to see anything else. You criticize those who believe in a higher power when you have NO proof that your FAITH is fact.
Gay4U1979 4 months ago
@Gay4U1979 I have lack of evidence of any God as evidence that my view is correct.
What evidence do you have to suggest that God exists?
atheistram 4 months ago
@atheistram .. what evidence do you have that god does not exist? what evidence do you have that your view of how the universe was created is correct? YOU DON'T. All you have is OPINION regarding your choice of FAITH. Do you know the definition of theory? Your PROFITS only have theory based on their personal FAITH. You and all atheist are a bunch of MORONS.
Gay4U1979 4 months ago
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@atheistram ..a previous post of mine that you obviously haven't read. "you have no evidence. Only assumptions. Change the parameters of the equation and the end result will change. Only an idiot, which I consider u2b, would conclude that current science has all parameters available."
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atheistram 4 months ago
@Gay4U1979 Medical doctors across the world agree that NDE's are caused by cerebral anoxia. What evidence do you have to prove that they are not??
atheistram 4 months ago
@atheistram .. Plz provide the PROOF that this is not just an assumption on their part?
Gay4U1979 4 months ago
@Gay4U1979 Wow, shifing the burden of proof. Look, you made the claim that God exists. Therefore the onus is on you.
And another logical fallacy in the same post? What is this Christmas?? Resorting to Ad Hominem attacks because you realize you don't have a leg to stand on.
I gave you my proof: lack of evidence of any God. What about your objective evidence for a God? Don't expect you to answer the question but if you do you'll make my day because you'll be the FIRST God-believer EVER to do so.
atheistram 4 months ago
@atheistram .. also, this video made the 1st claim. This video claims those who believe in god are wrong. You agree with the video and therefore made the 1st claim. You are the one with the burden of proof MORON. As yet, you have not proven god/higher power does not exist. Only assumptions from those who do not believe in god/higher power.
Gay4U1979 4 months ago
@Gay4U1979 .. and....we are never going to agree. you are NEVER going to sway me to believe in your religion. Your profits are NO different than any other religious profits throughout history. Make big claims with no proof and their chosen belief.
Gay4U1979 4 months ago
@Gay4U1979 I have no religion. I'm an atheist. (dull)
atheistram 4 months ago
@atheistram .. Shows how stupid you are. Atheism is a religion. You have FAITH. You have BELIEFS. You have PROPHETS. Atheism is a religion no different than any other religion. You have NO PROOF for your beliefs, yet you are FANATICS on your OPINIONS.
Gay4U1979 4 months ago
@atheistram .. Shows how stupid you are. Atheism is a religion. You have FAITH. You have BELIEFS. You have PROPHETS. Atheism is a religion no different than any other religion. You have NO PROOF for your beliefs, yet you are FANATICS on your OPINIONS.
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atheistram 4 months ago
@Gay4U1979 Atheist's don't have faith. Atheist's have no prophets.
So what if atheist's have beliefs. Everyone has them.
Nice try trying to conflate atheism with your religion. :P
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@atheistram .. Atheist have FAITH. Read the definition. Atheist do have prophets. Atheist quote the works of "scientist" who put out theories that cannot be proven. Look up the definition of theory.
Evidence that a higher power exist is FACT. There is a beginning. There is always a beginning. No amount of crap Atheist try to spew will EVER change the fact that there is a beginning to EVERYTHING, including energy.
Gay4U1979 4 months ago
@atheistram .. Atheism is a religion MORON.
Gay4U1979 4 months ago
@Gay4U1979 How exactly is the lack of belief in ANY God a religion?? Hmmmmmmmmm??
atheistram 4 months ago
@atheistram .. Atheist have FAITH. Read the definition. Atheist do have prophets. Atheist quote the works of "scientist" who put out theories that cannot be proven. Look up the definition of theory.
Evidence that a higher power exist is FACT. There is a beginning. There is always a beginning. No amount of crap Atheist try to spew will NEVER change the fact that there is a beginning to EVERYTHING, including energy.
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atheistram 4 months ago
@Gay4U1979 Really?? A theory cannot be proven?? Maybe you need to look up the definition of "Scientific theory", not the layman's usage of the word theory. :
Maybe you should also look up the definition of Prophet. :P
And just because there is a beginning isn't evidence that a "higher power" caused it. And if you think it is... then you are speaking from a position of ignorance (i.e. argument from ignorance).
atheistram 4 months ago
@atheistram .. lol Spoken like a true FANATIC. You are NO different than any other FANATIC spouting their religion expecting people to believe it on blind FAITH. Your PROPHETS using "scientific theory" cannot have all the variables. It isn't possible. Are you saying your PROPHETS have discovered ALL the possible elements in the universe? Are you saying that humans have reached their peak and have nothing new to discover? Whether you acknowledge it or not, you FANATICS are stating that.
Gay4U1979 4 months ago
@Gay4U1979 I'm the fanatic? You gotta be kidding me? Let me set this straight for you. I beleive in no God because of a lack of evidence. If you can provide ACTUAL evidence for your God's existence, I'm all ears. And if you can provide actual evidence I will convert on the spot.
You, on the other hand, if God were PROVEN to not exist would continue on in your delusion because YOU are the fanatic.
atheistram 4 months ago
@Gay4U1979 I'm the fanatic? You gotta be kidding me? Let me set this straight for you. I beleive in no God because of a lack of evidence. If you can provide ACTUAL evidence for your God's existence, I'm all ears. And if you can provide actual evidence I will convert on the spot.
You, on the other hand, if God were PROVEN to not exist would continue on in your delusion because YOU are the fanatic.
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@atheistram .. I will say this .. I find it interesting that you did not answer any of my most recent questions. Why? The answer is simple. You have no real evidence to support your case. That is why you are trying to label me with some religion. You can't handle the facts.
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Gay4U1979 4 months ago
proof *of* their chosen belief. Stop replying to my post.
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@Gay4U1979 Wow, shifing the burden of proof. Look, you made the claim that God exists. Therefore the onus is on you.
And another logical fallacy in the same post? What is this Christmas?? Resorting to Ad Hominem attacks because you realize you don't have a leg to stand on.
I gave you my proof: lack of evidence of any God. What about your objective evidence for a God? Don't expect you to answer the question but if you do you'll make my day because you'll be the FIRST God-believer EVER to do so.
atheistram 4 months ago
@Gay4U1979 IF you don't know "why" we exist then why believe in a higher power?? I think you're a Christian trying to convert people. :P
atheistram 4 months ago
@atheistram .. Why can't I be Muslim or Hindu or Buddhist? See, we both know that you have no valid reason to believe the way you do. Now your just trying to get under my skin by trying to associate me w/some bullshit religion so that you can feel better about your religious views. That is fine. You have to do whatever brings you comfort at the end of the day. I have proven that a higher power exist. You have chosen to follow your religious dogma and I am not going to argue w/you anymore.
Gay4U1979 4 months ago
@Gay4U1979 lol... you've PROVEN that a higher power exists. You haven't even laid the groundwork.
Have fun retreating into your hole.
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@atheistram .. So your not going to answer the questions previously posted? Yes, I have proven the existence of a higher power. The FACT that there is ALWAYS a beginning, including ENERGY, is proof of a higher power. You only want to view a higher power through the eyes of Christians. Your very limited in your ability to critically think.
Also, I haven't retreated into a hole. You don't answer questions, only post stupid "comebacks". It isn't retreating when YOU refuse to backup your FAITH.
Gay4U1979 3 months ago
@Gay4U1979
If you want to ask me where the big bang came from, then I'll give you an easy answer... I don't know.
I can speculate that the energy could have always existed, or it could have some outer source (which I find unlikely). I never claimed to know, but you claimed to know that it *must* have been created.
So you're the one claiming to know here, not me, now you show your evidence or admit that your claim is a guess without evidence.
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@WitchHunter93 .. It is simple. There is always a beginning to everything. To say that energy always existed and then just one day decided to morph into a more complex energy is rubbish.
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979
Energy doesn't "decide" to do anything. It merely reacts to other forces (reacting to matter, gravity, other energy... big bangs..) there doesn't need to be a wizard behind it. If you are confused as to how the big bang can lead to the formation of things like stars and planets, then any science book can easily explain it to you.
If you still think that's rubbish, then there is no hope for you. You simply don't care to learn.
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@WitchHunter93 .. My stating "decide" was sarcasm. You obviously need to ponder on the issue for some time before you realize how stupid it sounds to say that energy just exist. I understand completely how your prophets have come to their conclusions. I have read a lot on the pro big bang subject. I find individuals who believe as you do to be delusional.
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WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@WitchHunter93 .. We are never going to agree and your going to continue to twist my words to suit your reply even though sarcasm was obvious. I will not be replying to you again. You can make whatever ridiculous assumptions about the creation / beginning of the universe you want. At the end of the day, you are making assumptions and nothing is based on actual evidence or fact. I don't care.
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WitchHunter93 5 months ago
You obviously didn't read nearly enough.
At this point you're resorting to just calling it "stupid", which tells me that you are purposely close-minded and refuse to learn.
Scientists aren't prophets, they don't wait for the truth to come to them, they go look for it. That's how things get discovered, you should try to learn from it.
I was actually going along with your sarcasm, but you didn't seem to get that.
And I was right, you really don't care.
WitchHunter93 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979 And saying that something infinitely more complex than anything else existed before the simplest molecule isn't rubbish?
atheistram 5 months ago
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@WitchHunter93 .. Please provide proof for your version of how the universe was created? I would be happy to see this "proof".
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979 God is a non answer. Where did god come from? Nothing? It is a circular argument proposed by fools.
scotttebben 5 months ago
@scotttebben .. only a fool would believe something comes from nothing.
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979 Stephen Hawking's says it is the most likely answer that indeed positive energy can and does come from nothing or negative energy. Your god coming from nothing is still something coming from nothing. Why does this go over your head?
scotttebben 5 months ago
@scotttebben .. "most likely" means he doesn't know either. NONE of us was alive and you can't say for certain either way on your view. You have NO proof to support your view, so stop asking those who believe in god / higher power to provide proof for our views. If you cannot provide proof, how can you expect someone else to provide proof? You may not like it, but you are going on blind faith for your views just as those who believe in god / higher power go on blind faith for their view.
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979 The time to believe in a god is when there is proof one exists. It is those making the ridicules claims that bare the burden of proof. There may be werewolves and leprechauns too, but unless some one finds one you have to be dimwitted and a gullible fool to believe they are real.
scotttebben 5 months ago
@scotttebben .. same goes for anyone who believes there was and is no higher power behind the creation of the universe. To think something was created from nothing is ignorance, at best.
Gay4U1979 5 months ago
@Gay4U1979 As a result of digesting your comments, I conclude that your lack of intellect or cognitive skills simply implies further interaction would be of no interest.
scotttebben 5 months ago
@scotttebben .. back at you
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WitchHunter93 5 months ago
StrangerInAStrangeLand's Wager : I wager that an omnipotent, sane loving god could not cause or allow anyone to suffer for eternity. I wager that if there is a god who causes or allows anyone to suffer for eternity, it cannot be relied upon to be omnipotent, sane & loving & simply cannot be trusted. If it cannot be trusted, it doesn't matter what humans do.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
Why would you want a virgin? So she doesn't know you can't fuck very well, cause she can't compare it to anything else? Why don't women get promised 72 hotties in heaven?
666mamakoala 7 months ago
3:15 to 4:30 is absolutely, undeniably, indisputably brilliant.
TheSpartan2910 8 months ago
When Muslims become martyrs and are promised 72 virgins in the afterlife, Ive never heard that 72 FEMALE virgins would be there. Think about it ;)
screat 9 months ago
it doest matter what religio you hold to..at our current world population of ~6,9 billion, at least, AT LEAST four billion people would burn in hell
yeahhh baby
Serpico261 9 months ago
@Serpico261 not forgetting IF Christianity was actually right there are 1000s of denominations of this single religion lol . but as Matt said , why would you beleive in a God who is a prick! haha
theUKatheist 8 months ago
@theUKatheist you are so right! What drives me crazy and im serious, is the fact that people find it amusing that you or me would burn in hell....It just pisses me off, to know that some people have no problem with that, even i know that this will never happen
Serpico261 8 months ago
But what if there is a God, but this God only allows atheists into Heaven.
God: Well, you didn't believe and worship me. But that was the whole point of me making myself obscure. So you guys could just think about each other and help each other out without the promise a reward.
You christain guy. You only believed in me cause you hoped for an award. You turned your back on your brother because you thought I hated homosexuals. You go to hell now.
AntiTroll28 9 months ago 16
lol, Pascal's Wager is so debunked, and yet some people still think it's a great argument. Good example of how religion rots the brain.
dutchbb1979 9 months ago
Hallucinagenic mushrooms were actually responsible for people seeing sorcery and witchcraft.
ganados0 10 months ago
Also consider if you go to Heaven you'll be surrounded by Ned & Maud Flanders' and they'll always just wanna play pictionary. No thanks, save me a seat at the poker table in Hell with Nietzsche, George Carlin, Julius Caesar, and JFK(Lets be honest we know where the Bible says he went).
trajan74 11 months ago
@schneke1 I believe man did not become what he is today (getting old and dying) until 6000~7000 years ago. Before that, man lived in the Garden of Eden. It's debatable how long man was in the Garden of Eden. It could have been billions of years. So, in my opinion, it is possible the Earth could be billions of years old but man, in the form he is in today, is not. I don't believe man has been in this state for millions of years because if he had been, we would have a lot more people on Earth.
YesYou123333 1 year ago
@YesYou123333 Wow.
Do you also believe in dragons, unicorns, giants, wizards, witches, and magic spells?
They are all in the Bible.
And all just as fucking silly as "the Garden of Eden".
Gooberlicious54 1 year ago
@Gooberlicious54 Do I believe in dragons, unicorns, giants, wizards, witches and magic spells?
I believe everything in the Bible.
YesYou123333 1 year ago
@YesYou123333 "I believe everything in the Bible"
Really?
Let's see if you are telling the truth, or if this is just another lie from a religitard.
Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them
Now, since you believe this to be true, all you have to do is make a short video of you drinking some sort of poison...Drano™ or some other holdhold cleaner should do nicely.
Once we're done with this one, I have a few more for ya. ;)
Gooberlicious54 1 year ago
@Gooberlicious54 Again, you atheist love to take things out of context. I know you are probably tired of hearing it but it's the truth. That verse is referring to the disciples. Do you want me to spell if for you? OK. Here we go. Ready? D-I-S-C-I-P-L-E-S. Again? OK. D-I-S-C-I-P-L-E-S. Not yet? OK, again. D-I-S-C-I-P-L-E-S. If you don't get it by now, fuck off.
YesYou123333 1 year ago
@YesYou123333 "out of context"
LOL - I knew you were full of shit.
Thanks for admitting it on a public comment forum!
Gooberlicious54 1 year ago
@Gooberlicious54 You're welcome, asshole.
YesYou123333 1 year ago
@YesYou123333 I hope you at least learned one thing here...
One religious douchebag can turn more people off to their religion than a stadium full of atheists EVER could!
Gooberlicious54 1 year ago
@YesYou123333 Calling someone an asshole? If you refer to your simpleminded phrase, WWJD. Just another argument toward Chistians and Hypocrisy going hand in hand unless jesus was an untillegent prick as well.
brochill69 10 months ago
@brochill69 Hahahahaha. You're worried about me calling you names. You had better start worrying about WWJD because I don't think He likes you.
YesYou123333 10 months ago
@YesYou123333 "fuck off"
"Arguments cannot be answered by personal abuse.... Should it turn out that I am the worst man in the whole world, the story of the flood will remain just as improbable as before, and the contradictions of the Pentateuch will still demand an explanation."
Gooberlicious54 1 year ago
@schneke1 Not in the way you think.
YesYou123333 1 year ago
@schneke1 I'm not. Scary, huh?
YesYou123333 1 year ago
Great little diatribe at the end. Well put.
JesusSuckedGayPenis 1 year ago
Oh snap nigga!
Superhumanattack 1 year ago
Why do you guys care about answering this troll?
He will deny ANYTHING, he is FAR too invested in his god-myth.
He has been brainwashed from the day he popped out of his mother.
His specific brain-pattern is not able to change from a few arguments.
His brain is physically formed by his parents and local priests. It's a lost fight, simply ignore these poor humans, who will never realize the real beauty of the universe. Or pity them
tdjdk 1 year ago
God will laugh at his argument "why didn't you provide enough evidence?". God will just answer, "see those people over there? To My right? They believed. Obviously I provided enough evidence for them". Like the Bible says, no one will have an excuse.
YesYou123333 1 year ago
What if Zeus is there?Ops weren't expecting that right?
crissxxx 1 year ago
@crissxxx Or, how about Thor? You guys crack me up when you bring up these mythological gods. So, let's get this straight.....here's God sitting in the heavens and everyone is worshipping the "correct" god..let's say it's Zeus for arguments sake....and then the whole world moves either towards Islam or Christianity and God just sits there and does nothing? If Zeus or Thor will the "real" gods don't you think they would say something? Don't you think they would say "Hello...over here"?
YesYou123333 1 year ago
Neither did God!You answered yourself,Lol!!
crissxxx 1 year ago
@YesYou123333
Considering that the Egyptian pantheon has held since BEFORE 4,500 BC...Even if we assume that Judaic monotheism originated in 3,000 BC [when the first, still-predominately-POLYTHEISTIC Judaic texts actually originated], that's nothing compared to the Egyptian polytheism. And yet God seemed to have no issue with them.
Of course the Christian God didn't make a mention towards/against Islam. Nor the Judaic towards/against Christianity. So your own argument works against you.
onijester56 1 year ago
@onijester56 There were no humans around in 4500 BC. Enough said about that. The only choices are Islam or Christianity. Take your pick.
YesYou123333 1 year ago
@YesYou123333 So the texts and artifacts dated through many methods aside from Carbon-14 radiometric dating don't exist? So dinosaurs never existed, nor did homo erectus, nor any other organism that we have fossils of? So the over-6000-year-old trees that exist don't exist?
You then fail basic logic. But that aside, you forget about Judaism. And, ALSO, you fail to apply your own argument to the choices you present, which would admit Islam as "true" by your very argument.
onijester56 1 year ago
@onijester56 We're talking about HUMANS!! Put your Atheistic-bias aside and think HUMANS!! Here I'll spell it for you H- come on spell along- U-M-A-N-S. Did you get it?? Good. Last time I looked a dinosaur or a tree is not a H-U-M-A-N. Here I'll spell it again. H-U-M-A-N. You know, those things you think came from apes. Now do you get it? There is NO evidence any humans lived 4300 years ago. NONE!!! Quit going to those Christian-Hating websites.
YesYou123333 1 year ago
@YesYou123333 Miitochondrial Eve, the HOMO SAPIEN [read HUMAN] THAT ALL MODERN HUMANS ACQUIRED THEIR MITOCHONDRIAL DNA FROM has been dated to approximately 150,000 years ago.
Fossils place Homo sapiens in Ethiopia around 160,000 years ago.
Hell, approximately 12,000 years ago light skin is dated to have evolved IN HOMO SAPIENS.
And actual and unbiased scientific research cannot be claimed "Christian-Hating" unless Christian ideology conflicts with reality [hence making it false].
onijester56 1 year ago
@onijester56 That's BS. How were the bones aged?
YesYou123333 1 year ago
(cont)
Additionally, the BIBLICAL CLAIMS make NO DISTINCTION between trees, dinosaurs, and man except on which DAY (read: days; there's two creation accounts) they were made.
And, even more important, the methods of dating the TREES and DINOSAURS applies to the same method as dating the TEXTS WRITTEN. So: for TEXTS written in KNOWN-HUMAN FONTS to date BEFORE 4,300 exist, there must be HUMANS TO WRITE THE TEXTS BEFORE 4,300.
But of course facts and evidence have no effect on you.
onijester56 1 year ago
Oh, not just religion.
You can get good people to do bad things over ANY belief they hold, even ones that seem innocuous or universal.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
Love Matt's monologue at the end.
Geebsee 1 year ago 3
the biggest flaw in religion is all of it is written by man..
880330145789 1 year ago
@880330145789 The biggest flaw is that it isnt fucking true.
Serostern 1 year ago 4
@Serostern well we dont know that to 100% true, is what most religious people might say so my statement still stands.
880330145789 1 year ago
"In a world without religion, you would have good people doing good things, and bad people do bad things. To have a good person do bad things, it takes religion." - Steven Weinberg
spydertub3 1 year ago 4
The ancient Greeks had the right idea. They knew their gods were pricks and they would give offerings to calm them the hell down. They believed that the creatures which spawned the gods were bigger pricks so they tolerated them but war against the gods wasn't an impossible scenario if they got too far out of line.
jacksawild 1 year ago 4
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lost for words... i do have proof of God
02mrhifh 1 year ago
Yes, religion and chruches have done SOME good. But Hitler did SOME good. I'm sure that Jeffery Dahlmer did SOME good. So what! It doesn't make up for all of the evil that religion does and has done.
SmokeRingsPipeDreams 1 year ago
I only agree with Matt 110%.
HDaviator 1 year ago
does anyone believe in the possibility of a god that created all existing religions to test our rationality and to separate "greater" humans from "lesser" humans? I can't prove nor disprove this idea, but there is so much about the world we don't know.
DefenitionBlack 1 year ago
@DefenitionBlack and much more that you dont know lol. people always wondered where did everything come from, god was the perfect answer. if all people lived in one big group, then there would probably be only one religion.
bltnxkrw 1 year ago
Hello to all please turn to God. He loves you. What more do you need than his love?
He loves you with His Infinitely Love and he wants to save you, but if you reject His Infinite Love you will be tortured forever. But he Loves you. It is your choice.
J0EH3AD 1 year ago
@J0EH3AD
WoW , God is one fucked up assclown.
He loves me but since he has given me no reason to believe he exists he will torture me for relying on the 5 sense he supposedly gave me that don't allow to know anything past the natural world.
Fun Fact: Did you know that the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?
rattlehead66666 1 year ago
@rattlehead66666...no..god is not an assclown...god is imginary..and therefore...he is nothing.
ncPsychosis 1 year ago
@J0EH3AD
A choice? Choose god or go to hell....
That is not free will. It is slave will. Do what I say or I will punish you. Just like when a slave disobeys his master he is punished.
If you loved someone would you EVER send them to be tortured eternally? Would you torture someone in your basement if they said they didn't love you? God says love me or be tortured forever. What an egotistical, shallow thing for someone, specially a god, to think. It's sadomasochism.
In conclusion; Fuck you.
Averagegamer100 1 year ago
@J0EH3AD if he really loves me he wont care if i dont believe in him, we will just meet in heaven and have some holy sexy sex, cause you know, he loves me... ;) im all hot now... darn god..
Dreadfultime 1 year ago