@ARKIEX Might be the case. F-18 E/F could surely sneak in. Its an inside feeling to me. As it can be later modified or second tranche can be ordered for Navy also. They are the serious Dark-Horses in the Race here. Watch out for F-18E/F, Americans can goto any extent to sell their products, i smell some serious lobbying going on for it.
@ARKIEX True. But the Americans are providing us with F-18E/F with AESA in an upgrade.
MiG-35 will make IAF with all Russian dimension in our force, rather shape our force in multi-national way to get experience on American and European jets too.
Between Rafale and EF2000, i would definitely want IAF to gor for Rafales.
@chex29 no way f18 if we buy f18 consider iaf as cripled ...ef 2000 is the best buy the only thing good about rafales is its defence meaciacanism ,we might get it re gard less of which fighter we get..
@pakifucker999999999 the EF would be the ultimate choice that i would love to see in IAF, but the Americans can go to any extent to sell their super hornets.
@chex29 we dont trust anation that tryied to nuke just 20 years ago , probely us fighters in the future not now at that scale 125+ no way pluss they dint offer the best ..its their second best ...pluse they have proved they are not relibale in the our of need.....they can sell it to pore porks but navy might get f35...for sure for the future
@ARKIEX mig 35 is not being used by even russia ,its that new and there are only prototyps avalible ..........untile some of these aircraft enter servis we wont know how they work in the maintaince depamarnt and how relibile they are
@blackpearl098 no we have a llot of russion fighters that athe reson we dont want mig 35......second mig 29 ovt is better than any of the european fighters ....we have enough migs ,+the idea is get fighters from other nation,
@blackpearl098 no we have a llot of russion fighters that athe reson we dont want mig 35......second mig 29 ovt is better than any of the european fighters ....we have enough migs ,+the idea is get fighters from other nation,biggest problem with mig 35 is its not in sevirce any were in the world not even in russia
@pakifucker999999999 Dude, I am not talking about the analysis of military political doctrine.
If this could have been the case, Mig35 could not have been offered to propose a tender.
The test flight summary report submitted to ministry of defense has indicated about Mig-35 being failed in most of IOC parameters being set as benchmark by IAF.
The engine is being claimed to have thrust/weight ration of 1.14 however the actual tests revealed 0.91 which was a huge shame (lowest of all in MRCA)
@pakifucker999999999 Apart from that, Mig35 is a heavy weight fighter which doesn't really fill the current gaps in IAF defence/offence capabilities (thats why it failed in most of parameters set by IAF)
by 2020, IAF's vison is to have FGFA (PAK-FA) and SU-30MKI as long range deepstrike/air superority mission aircrafts + MRCA/Tejas/Mig29K SMT/Mirage 2K's as multirole fighters as interceptor/bombers/escorts.
Mig35 fits in Su-30MKI catagorie (with improved thrust-weight ratio) thus not an MRCA
@blackpearl098 your right ,ef is all was the best option,it would have been nice if usa had offered f18 with f119 engine with tvc......that would have been worth the optrional risk that comes when buying usa made products ,on the other hand if dilivery was posible we could have orded further su 30 mki ...but have excisting orders in complet that not right
@pakifucker999999999 Dude, what are you talking?? USA itself doesn't has F/A 18's fitted with F119's and TVC's. How would they give to us?
F-117 has been designed specifically for F-22 to cater super cruise abilities without use of afterburners.
Engines like F-117 are required for long range interceptors/bombers rather than medium range combat aircraft (MRCA) and this is not a selection criteria for India's M-MRCA competition.
India never requested F/A 18's with F117 and TVC for M-MRCA..!!
we dont want US arms ; those people always ve strings attached . su-30 wont do for medium comabat role; we need to speed up MCA project and be ready to service any foriegn tech ourselves like HAL is doing right now for anyother crafts . we cant depend on any nation except russia for that matter
@shrey2smart From reports that I've heard, Russia sells weapons but gives little in ancillary support. In fact, one of the reasons that the MRCA competition exists was the chronic inadequate supply of crucial MiG-29 parts from Russia. What makes anyone think that if India buys the MiG-35 that things are going to change?
@Amar7605 no mig 29 is an older class of fighter we have the most resent ones for the navy the k series mig 35 is better and a new fighter russia gives a good after sales with no strings attached................and are secont to non in this part of the deal.
@pakifucker999999999 Um... please re-read what I wrote. I never said that the MiG-35 was a bad plane. All I said was that India's recent experience with MiG-29 support from Russia has been poor. Yeah, Russia sells weapons, but no support along with it.
That's like buying a car and not being able to get the oil changed because there's no one manufacturing the filter.
@Amar7605 like i said there is no problem with russia in delivering sparis ,we had problem in delivery of new hardware which was delayed by various reasons ,and as for mig 29 ,along with the older mig 29 which are being uppgraded ,the navy has recived 16 mig 29ks ,and has orded 29 more mig 29ks............
@Amar7605 yes mig 29 k is a naval version but it was never desined for india ,we brought it because its the best...........we did have problem withe sparies but those were from other sovith countrys but not from russie we only importde mig 21 parts from and had qulity problems
@pakifucker999999999 MiG-29 is NOT the best. Once again, please re-read what I wrote. India had to buy the MiG-29K because it was designed for the Admiral Gorshkov, and really no other reason. The Su-33 is far superior, if you want to talk about which plane is the best. And still, India had trouble obtaining MiG-29 spares and support from Russia post-Soviet Union as well.
@Amar7605 su33 is a heavy combat naval muilty role combat fighter ,indian dos not opprat this cattogory fighter ,mig 29ks was the best medium muilty role combat fighter avalible to the indian navy ..............mig 35 are in oppration limitid number in russia .............it was not avalibile when deal for admiral gorshkov along 16 mig29ks were signed......the problem with russia is delay in delivery,not spares
@pakifucker999999999 So you're saying that India has already chosen the MiG-35 over the other MRCA competitors?!?!? Please get your facts straight. And where are the your sources that say that Russia's problem is deliveries and not spares?
@Amar7605 i said mig 35 were not in servise or for sale when mig 29 ks were brought...........as for the mmrca i dont think mig 35 is best contender ............and i think your retarded because i have been saying agaian and agaian ,russia has delayed delivers new hardware /not spares ............go check it out your self ..........
@Amar7605 Service is not really the case of concern for Mig 29 Fighters in IAF. IAF got a element of surprise when they came to know that Russia has stopped inducting any more Mig29 fighters in its airforce/navy fleet, reason being identified as low shelve life of the composite material being used to manufacture tail section fuselage of the Mig29 fighter.
IAF is upgrading all its Mig29's to SMT standard which will solve the fuselage problem along with radar,weapons and avionics upgrades.
@Amar7605 Amar, you are highly mistaken with the spare parts information you have.
Mig 29 is used extensively among best air force's around the world. The spares are not a problem with mig29's.
India experienced spare parts issues for its largest fleet of mig19,21 and 27 series of fighters/bombers((and not mig29 and su-30MKI), only because there was no induction of new generation aircrafts in IAF for almost 2 decades and we kept relying on out of support/service life aircrafts.
@Amar7605 India was hopeful of getting Tejas ready by early 1990's which never happened. By all this window phase period, India started manufacturing crucial spares of Mig series at home. The parts were never certified by MIG corporation because India was still using obsolete and out of service/support life aircrafts.
This resulted in several and frequent air crashes of mig series of air crafts causing loss of many aircrafts and pilots.
Delay in Tejas urged India for M-MRCA procurement.
@Amar7605: hw can u say that bro. russians upgraded the entire fleet of iAF mig-29, Added later as "BAAZ" in Squadron of "Tuskers". They provided smerch MBRLs later India developed into Pinaca with Additional Salvos & range. AK-47s are still the best rifles in the world. They provided T-90 with full TOT. Tunguska M1, first line of Air defense. Every indian destroyer is equipped with Russian Cruise missile System partially modified by Israel. russians are not Bad. they helped us without betrayin
@vaibhav371 remember russia has helped us when we were at war ,three times ,they steped in and kept usa ,and britten nuke ships whish were treatning to nuke us .....if it were for russia back dore helping in the previous wars we would have not won ...in the past..
@pakifucker999999999: thatz y i always say..India should see her interest first rather than just being carried away with US regime. I wish India should develop more lethal weapon systems with russia. Indian govt. is just putting their feet in the shoes of USA. thatz not good. they ought to see who has been their all weather friend. Long live Indo-russia friendship. Long Live Indo- Israel. Russia is the best. I would look forward to Induct SU-25BM rather than MMRCA....
Americans will sell F-16 IN to India then they would try to balance the power in S Asia by giving them the same to Pakistan. more over they would threaten to Give Maintenance if a war is seen between Ind n Pak. and Still lickin Indian Asses for the deal. its good to buy another lot of Su-30 MKI or Mig-35 Fulcrum as the maintenance would not be a problem and Russians are tested frnds of India even in Fragile times. i bet Mig-35 Fulcrum is better than its rivals
@vaibhav371 Open up eyes dude.. the India-pakistan-america game has shifted after end of cold war.
Americans have got only one hope in south-west asia, and that is India.
Americans supported Pakistan in 1965/1971 war only because India was close ally of soviet union.
After fall of Soviet Union in 1989, Americans had no interest in supporting Pakistan. America is maintaining its ties to pakistan only because of its dependency on pakistan for war on terror in afghanistan.
@vaibhav371 Can't you see, americans have denied pakistan of any weapons/technology from last decade?
Cant you see americans supported india intentionally during Kargil war? Pakistan lost its face during 1999 kargil war because it had too high expectations from US and US ditched them during kargil war.
Can't you see, Pakistan has shifted its focus on China for weapons/economy and infrastructure from last 2 decades?
@blackpearl098: americans have a long history of betraying their best allies. Americans can never be trusted. They insulated our Air force Pilots in Red flag, They misbehaved with our Ambassador in New york. Again putting 3 Bn US$ on pakistan with 13 F-16 Block 50/52, Wotz all this. russia never betrayed india. had russian quality been poor, we would have been attacked much before. China has poured 800 Bn US$ in America bought their Bonds. US would think 2wice before Indulging india 2 China
@vaibhav371 Well America has never betrayed any of its allies however there is no friend no foe in politics.
Parties with similar geopolitical interests tend to align and this alignment shifts with time.
Israel and India were official rivals during cold war. Israel and India established close defense and political ties only after 1991 and that was because of geopolitical interests.
America is a super power so there has to be some immunity to them and so does every other superpower expects.
@vaibhav371 Americans never insulted Indian pilots. Listen to the conversation properly. He was making fun of su-30 MKI fighters and Russian electronic warfare suite. so in fact he was making fun of Russian supplied technology and thats quite obvious for a american pilot to make fun of non US made aircrafts.
Real test results revealed after red flag was that American f-15's are no match for Su-30MKI with BVR turned off. It was proposed in US senate to make better fighters to counter russian tech
@vaibhav371 Actually a real full scale war scenario not a possibility for any either India or China.
Both countries are gigantic in size and impossible to invade and control. India-China may experience small scale skirmishes at north-eastern border. US would be very much aligned to India as US is being and has always supported democratic reforms rather than conservative communist regimes.
Americans broke USSR, they will break china as well. China's most neighbors have american bases settled.
@vaibhav371 regarding F-16's deal to pakistan, check again carefully.
After 1998 nuclear tests, Pakistan was denied of further more F-16's (existing order) and all the spares by US congress.
Pakistan has ageing F-16's which have been left with less than 10 years life. Pakistan again reversed engineered F-16's with help of China and named it as JF-17.
Pakistan has turned to China for its military equipment as US denied to Pakistan, all the weapons and technology upgrades.
@blackpearl098: Americans gave pakistan Stinger missiles, Tomakawk cruise missiles, Snipper rifles, for the fight against terrorism & every1 knows when it would be used & against whom. they are blindly supporting pakistan who still continues to stock enriched plutonium. Russian policy is very clear, they dont mess with business & relationship. Even israelis are better allies of India than US. these brits and US wants their jobs back. i wish the MMRCA deal goes to either Mig or French Raffale.
@vaibhav371 Dude please check again the source of information as its all wrong.
America never gave tomahawk cruise missiles to Pakistan. once a tomahawk cruise missile got crashed in Afghanistan and Pakistan reversed engineered the crashed tomahawk missile with help of china and named the missile as Babur. Pakistani's have no tomahawk cruise missiles in their arsenal.
Americans have not turned a blind eye in Pakistan. India has got civil nuclear deal from US congress and Pakistan was denied.
@blackpearl098: Thanks for the information & sharing, but i still doubt on US. They are super power no doubt. They sent 7th fleet in bay of bengal in 71, They black listed ISRO, BHEL, Bharat Dynamics, DRDO. they refused super computer, They refused advanced metallurgical theory that could have been suited for the development of Arjun Tank, They put sanctions on procurements of 155 mm Field howitzer guns, They refused AWACS, They even refused LGB in Kargil. Thanks to russia again for supplyn LGB
@vaibhav371 Its fine dude, even if you're doubtful about US. They sent USS Enterprise in bay of bengal and urged Chinese to attack India because, USSR and US were in cold war at that time and India was ally of USSR. US didn't want soviet influence until all the way to southeast asia, thats why they didn't want Indians to win the war. As I mentioned earlier, Its all past 1989. They blacklisted Indian defence companies only after 1998 nuclear tests. Bans are common for all new nuclear countries.
@vaibhav371 The have been refusing the latest potent technology to all the non-NATO countries NATO believes in unipolar world order.
All the sanctions, hurdles etc you're talking about was placed only after 1998 nuclear tests. Similar bans have been imposed on Iran, Pakistan, Libya, North Korea etc.
However all the bans on Indian defence organisations have been lifted recently.
US also drove India to become the ONLY country allowed to do business with NSG countries without signing CTBT.
@vaibhav371 They refused AWACS and LGB but they provided C-130J super Hercules and weakened pakistan's stand on kargil war by favoring India openly in UN assembly. They DIRECTED musharraf to withdraw forces with immediate effect.
By the way, Russia didn't provided LGB's during Kargil war. It was Israel who provided american LGB's (Paveway III - GBU 24) to India.You know that Americans refused India for AWACS but you dont know even russia and france too denied AWACS to India.
@vaibhav371 And regarding M-MRCA deal, buying MIG 35 will not solve purpose of tendering M-MRCA as MIG 35 is nothing more than MIG-29 SMT/UPG which India already has. Rafale would be good choice however performance wise, Eurofighter Typhoon proved much better in IOC test results.
@vaibhav371 New world order is China vs US and US sees rising India as its close ally against rising China.
Russia is no longer an aligned entity as its struggling with collapsing economy and growing internal issues.
for the next 30 years, US main focus will be on supporting India/South Korea/Japan and Taiwan politically and militarily so as to counter growing threat from rising China.
No one is a friend to another in this world. Changing world order makes alignment forever changing.
@blackpearl098: India should not get carried away with US. & i dont Think China & India would ever come close to war as their exists a business of 60 Bn US$. obama has a clear vision, they were in india for jobs. whenever any of the president travels to india they keep on barking good things much before their visit is realized. They just want to sell their products and create jobs there. its not the case with russia. They helped India develop technology.
@vaibhav371 Can you name any technology for which Russia helped India to develop?
Please don't name BrahMos as it was co-developed.
For the records, Russia has always supported India in political matters, because India used to be the biggest arms importer of Russian defense equipment (now Israel) and India was USSR ally during cold war.
Infact Israel and France has helped India to develop new technology and russia just did the technology transfer and license to create replicas.
@blackpearl098: Russian Helped india in nuclear tech. BARC is with russian help only. They established Tehri Hydro Power Station in Uttarakhand 200MW. gave india fast breed reactors. Enriched Uranium. and m not gonna name it though u can see urself PAKFGFA- developed mainly by Russians project being funded by MoD. design, airframe, engines, TVC all developed by Russia. The computers and command control is being designed by Samtel india, TCS & DRDO
@vaibhav371 Dude, there is a difference between tendering/acquiring a military hardware/project and helping to develop it. You talked about "helping to develop it".
All that stuff you mentioned is being developed by Russia apart from software modification by DRDO and HAL to make systems compatible with other Indian hardware control points and manforce.
PAK-FA(Parent model of FGFA) has already been developed by Russia. FGFA is variant of PAK-FA with different airframe being announced by HAL.
@blackpearl098: well dear i will once again say, americans can never be trusted, nor the brits. there is an evidence a Programme "Strike force" in russian language available on youtube, see it how US & Brits came in the indian ocean to nuke us. Richard nixon turned off his eyes from Genocide that was being done by paki forces in 71. Mrs. gandhi even went to the US for support, but they refused and called her a wicked lady. they r born stabbers & cheaters. India should'nt overlook its frnd Rusia
@vaibhav371 I would furnish your statement further. You said americans can never be trusted. Perhaps if India could have tried to vote against USSR during soviet invasion of afghanistan in 1979 and things could have been different altogether by now.
No one is a friend or foe in world order. Its just mutual geo-political interests which form alignments.
India has always stood up with neutral stance thats why indians are welcomed to do business with all factions around the globe.
@blackpearl098: for MMRCA, the necessity was felt when LCA project continued to delay and ageing Mig-21s were labelled as coffins, now since LCA has been inducted, we have upgraded Mig-29 "BAAZ", Su-30MKI and upgradation of Mirage-2000 is going on, then india must look out for Su-35 BM super flanker/ or Su-37 with Israeli electronics and Russian Zhuk-AESA. a total Air superiority Fighter with unmatched characteristics. no match of any of the MMRCA contender. True 4+++ fighter
@vaibhav371 no there is little difference between su 30mki,and the su 27,35,37,su 35 is russia first fly by wire fully composite fighter this was made only after india started putting more composite parts on su 30mki,and the new su30mki are fully composite made india asea raders on uppgrade program for older su 30mki,the new ones will have them too i would happy if we could get mpre su 30mki than mmrca,problem production lines ,buying mmrca we will have more planes in less time.
@vaibhav371 Su-35 is just a normal su-30MKI with AESA. when we are already upgrading our SU-30MKI's with AESA by 2012, why do we need su-35??
su-35 sits in a separate class bro. IAF is looking moreover for multiroles which will be used with dedicated roles (based on squadrons) and since the aircrafts will be multiroles, they can be used in case of change in military doctrine during crisis management.
for eg : changing from strike to ground attack or air superiority and so on.
@blackpearl098: if US really wants to make a healthy strategic partnership, they could have sold us USS kitty hawk and Additional FA-18/SH navy version. ha ha..just kiddin. but yes it could have been a better deal rather than going for a gorshkov. though gorshkov when it would be inducted will be a marvel. wot r u comments on acquisitions of USS kitty Hawk CVN class Carrier though it does not fit in indian budget & requirements but who knows hw inportant it could be.
@vaibhav371 i totally agrey with you ,with su type in full production,ef in full production ,then the navy buy ing f18 [100] which they plan to order buying usa is sencible ,it will be realy good if they are willing to sell a brand new super carrier ,india can afford that in the next defence budget ...that wont be a problem...then again why buy what we can build in a few years ....
@vaibhav371 FYI.. MIG-35 failed miserably in IAF specifications and IOC test conducted in may 2007.
The engines failed to impress (Thrust/Weight claimed 1.14 and actual tests revealed 0.92).
and why are you talking foolish? Su-35/37 are not MMRCA contenders, sit in heavyweight class and India already has SU-30MKI and more are ordered. Why we need to by SU-35/37 which are variants of su-30, based on same airframe of su-27 same engines ??
@blackpearl098: i m not only aware of facts, but also concerned that the deal could be bagged by Americans and then they will show their real characteristics to indians. in any contingency if IAF needed to attack, the spares would not be available coz US has a parliamentary sanction policy (not to sell weapon systems other than NATO nations or US allies). UFT could be a good choice if not Mig-35. i m shattered that Mig-35 failed in IOC tests.
The F-16IN offers the highest thrust engine in the competition, the General Electric F110-132A. It has 32,000 pounds of thrust with an unprecedented record of safety, reliability, maintainability and durability.The F110 incorporates the latest technology, including full authority digital engine control, for maximum fuel efficiency and performance.
@USAAIRPOWER Dude, doesn't matter how much thrust F-16 would provide as what all matters is thrust/weight ratio for any aircraft.
F-16 stands at 1.09 which is quite ok. and not a eye catcher.
Other reason is the old airframe. No matter how much you upgrade a old variant. A vigorously upgraded ford mustang wil not be chosen if offered ferrari/lamborghini.
Who told you, F16IN has the highest thrust/weight ratio among other MRCA contenders?
@USAAIRPOWER Thrust/Weight ratio for M-MRCA contenders F-16IN : Claimed - 1.10 IOC test results - 0.98 F/A -18 Super Hornet : Claimed - 0.97 IOC test results - 0.92 MIG 35 : Claimed - 1.14 IOC test results - 0.92 Eurofighter Typhoon : Claimed - 1.15 IOC test results - 1.13 Dassault Rafale : Claimed - 1.10 IOC test results - 1.14 SAAB JAS39 Gripen: Claimed - 0.97 IOC test results - 0.93 Dont ask me the sources, Someone I know from IAF told me the figures from IOC tests held in 2007.
Raytheon's combat-proven EW systems are deployed on F-16 aircraft worldwide. Superior agility and excellent pilot situational awareness reduce vulnerability to attack, while critical systems redundancy and shielding enhance survivability.
@blackpearl098 money, why hav'nt usaf/gov built a f-16 true block 70 model w/ full matv (3D thrust vectoring) with small canards,5th gen engine? why hav'nt usa fixxed the f-22 w/ updates it so so much needs. the f-22 has lost it's edge from only because of lack of funding,to fund so called frontline fighters f-16-f-18. but if there was a mass attack from 2 side which could happen (these things happen when your at your weakest and the usa is at its weakest sence 1930's)f-22 is a red headstepchild
The low radar signature of the F-16IN reduces detection by enemy radars. Its single-engine design has smaller infrared and visual signature than twin-engine fighters. The internal electronic warfare and towed decoy systems, provided by Raytheon, avoid or defeat the most advanced threats.
Data integrates through all phases of the mission from mission planning, navigation, communication and target prosecution to return to base transforming the pilot from an aircraft system manager to a tactician. The F-16IN is the most reliable, maintainable and safest multirole fighter in the world based on more than 13 million flight hours in peacetime and combat operations. Also, our support approach provides the lowest life-cycle cost and is consistent with existing IAF maintenance practices.
The fusion of net-centric operations and onboard data provides a total battle space picture and optimizes mission accomplishment. The F-16 was the first multi-role fighter to incorporate a data link capability, and the IAF's Operational Data Link (ODL) can be integrated onto the F-16IN when available, ensuring interoperability with other IAF aircraft.
Pilots receive easy-to-interpret information via the all-digital cockpit and helmet -mounted cueing system. The large color displays are capable of fusing data from on- and off-board sensors, reducing the workload and enabling the pilot to focus on the mission.
The F-16IN is a unique new fighter sharing a heritage with the world's only 5th Gen. fighters the F-35 and the F-22. Evolutionary integration of 5th Gen. technologies makes the F-16IN the most advanced 4th Gen. fighter in the world today.
F-16IN APG-80 AESA radar provides outstanding situational awareness and detection; ultrahigh-resolution synthetic aperture radar mapping, fully interleaved modes of operations with automatic terrain following; and air-to-air tracking of multiple targets.
@USAAIRPOWER Its very difficult to justify the generation and the capabilities in fighter aircrafts when there is little or no participation in actual war.
I have nothing against USA but just want to remind you about the fact that world's first 5th generation bomber /ground attack aircraft, USAF F-117 Nighthawk was shot down in 1999 during kosovo war by Yugoslavian army's obsolete 1st generation vehicle launched SAM system S-125 Pechora designed by Soviet Union in 1960's.
F-16IN Super Viper Block 70 is good choice of IAF. F-16IN Super Viper Block 70 could beat China J-10B Vigorous Dragon, FC-1 Fierce Dragon, Pakistan FC-20 Vanguard, & JF-17 Thunder. F-16IN Super Block 70 is advance F-16.
How can you say that F-16IN would beat China's J-10B Vigorous Dragon, FC-1 Fierce Dragon, Pakistan FC-20 Vanguard, & JF-17 Thunder ?? Is there any logic you can provide on basis of what you have been claiming all this?
JF-17 is chinese version of F-16 block 52 with little upgradations. J-10 is considered even more advanced than JF-17 and FC-20 (known as J10B for PLAAF) is even more advanced version of J10.
You are just talking crap without any sources or logic.
@blackpearl098 what the engine life ect of these chinese made jets? poor at best when conparing to u.s there raw russian stuff copies, like all the other stuff, china is a copy machine
The better manouverability will be countered by the ASRAAM with its Lock on after launch capability, which is one reason the IAF has chosen the ASRAAM over the other missiles for WVR combat .
asraam with its lock on after launch is better than existing misiles ,airodynamics for a misile and fighter aircraft are diffirent ,missile can out fly a fighter when it comes to spead but fighters manouverability is the missile disadvantage as fighters can out fly them hear .............
A short range missile typically can bear 40+ to 50+ G loads & it is not limited by the human element.
Current air superiority or high performance fighters typically can bear 8 to 9 g's but cannot sustain them due to the human limits and huge drop of airspeed
It's actually the fighters counter-measure systems like jammers, chaff, flares and anti-missile missiles/guns which can give them more protection than just manouverability....
yes they can take a lot of g loads ,they dont have large wings for them to turn ,ther turn radius is very large but a fighters turn radius is very small ,,and yes counter measures do work too.........
i would like you to do some research about what i have said .........
Dude, consider the fact why the next generation (6th generation) of military combat aircraft will probably be unmanned and it will be pretty clear to you on who needs to do his research.
you still havent got the point ,missils and fighters work differently ,but its true about ucavs.........ita more practical to have unmaned fighters ,boambers
Trust me, i know the difference (and similarities) between the flying characteristics of combat aircrafts & AAMs.
Most WVR AAMs today are almost as maneuverable as the aircraft they are supposed to bring down AND they have the advantage of not being limited by the human element.
AND AAMs are now getting fitted with TVC
The light powerful AAMs also bleed speed at a much lower rate than the more manuverable but larger but heavier aircraft, which starts tilting the advantage in re-engage mode..
They are getting very very good.. and very smart !
India needs to get on with the UCAV program without any delay.. perhaps even at the cost of toning down the 5th gen Fighter program with Russia or converting the 5th gen manned stealthy fighter program to a 6th gen unmanned stealthy UCAV program
It will bring down the pilot attrition rate which is plaguing the IAF and maybe even attract thousands of current college students and avid gamers to join up with the IAF as UCAV operators :-)
the fifth gen russian and tejus and mca ,lakshya un maned drone ,nissant ,and rustam ,india medium endurance un maned program are going on but cant say anything about ucav for the time beining but it will happen
As far as i know the honors were shared with the Eurofighter having the edge in BVR combat.
The DoD didnt release the details about the Indradhanush 2007 exercise to the general public but you can read some details by googling Indra Dhanush 2007 Su 30MKI vs Eurofighter
no way ,the best fighter in europ is the euro fighter ,su 30 mki can take on rafal but not the tyfoon......like i have said before its a wast of money to go for the gripen and f 16 ,what this fighters can do tejus can do why buy what we can make ,pluss they are not the fighters of tommrow
half of it is american ,if we want american ,we will buy american ,anything gripen,can do tejus can do it better ,pluss why should we buy somhing that we can produce ,pluss sweden could stop supply under presure ..........buy ing the gripen or f16in is dumb est thing india could ,tell me is the gripen better the eurofighter....or the f 18 ,of the mig 35....give me an honest anwser.......... gripen is not the boforse of the skies ....
we allready have a better fighter than the gripen,f16,j10 ,mirage,mig21,25,27 ,jagure,or any other light combate fighter in the world ,its the best in its class ,iam not bosting because its indian ,because its the best ,and yes we had the problem with engin,but its has been solved .....read my other comments and you will know why gripen is not the best offered
other nations dunt want jf-17 is going to go big when we get the right AESA AND EVERYTHING GO LOOK AT THE NATIONS WHO ARE INTRESTED IN IT ALOTTTTT!! AND INDIA LCA NOT READY AHHAHAHAAH!
hahhahaahkf17 is so good china has disided not to induct it into its armd forcesshahahhahahahahahachina dos not have aesa russia has developed and just finished testing and wewill be the first to get it ,...........
wow 4 real then who is going to replace all the aQ 5 fantas f-7 andold air crafts aun ka baaap?!?!? ur an idot they are going to waite for settings high standards for them selves ;
r u retarded ?? china is going for the jf 17 how do i know? they have a q 5 fantas, f7,old planes dont they need a much modern plane which can fill in the needs for china i think yes! the spended soo much money in it and jsut to tell u it is going throught evulations ritee now they iddent finalized the dead yet so stfu
pice of shit your jf 17 is so bad china disided not to induct in in their forcess hahahahahaahhahaah only shity porkistani airforce will have shit jf17 hahaha go do reserch first and then bark hahhaah
lol they are going to induct it idot? all the f-7 and q-5 fantas where they going to go they shurley dont want flying coffins which your conutry proudly displays .. LOOOL
you fuckin idiot mig 21 ,is still in production in russia and its is the best and the most produced mordean fighter in the world 12,000 or more have been produced by mig.........hahahhhha
looooool and that why it falls out of the sky ..hmmmm reminds me of a whole bunch of months that surround the light out side my house i get a fly swatter and start swinging and they fall out from the hundereds .... same example of the MIG.21
just remember this ,indian mig 21 can take out your f16 ,but your f is cannot do any thing to our mig21 as the have isreal made jammers ,paki f16 shoots a missile but it cant hit indian mig21 hahhaahhah pluss we have mirage,mig 23,25,27, 29 ,hahah su 30mki i know its over kill for porkistan ,we also have jagvauor.........harrier tejus next year ,tu 50 in 2/3 years mmrca in 2 years ,mca in five years hahahahhaha jsf in 5 years hahahah ,and you have chinese junk ,and out dated /old shit haha
ummm ok ... like wut ever... tell me wut hapend after mumbai attacks? u told us air strikes in pak did it happen? no why? beacuse we deployed our army all of it reserved and active no offence u guys backed down sir. iam jsut saying and i should not say flying coffins beacuse the pilots in them have familys iam sorry for that ... mig-21 bisons i dunt think they can jam a radar of f-16 mlu .... yes f-7 ohh yes they can and fantas... but any thang else maybe not.
you fool ,you cant jam rader you can jam rader signals ,the jammers were made by israel ,specaily for india they have been tested on israly f 16 hahhahahaha
they can also jam chinese junk ...... you have if not today than later but rest assured your history...............
did you know that flying coffins[mig 21 ]that india has are uppgraded to carry air to air missiel ,have israle made jammers ,this makes your paki f 16 useless...pluss we have 300 of those hahahahahahha
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we fucked the england ,pakistan was born ,when we fucked pakistan ,bangladesh was born ,this when we fuck pakistan ,who knows ,boloch istan ,.or who knows what will be born hahhahaahhahahah
everything the gripen and f16 can do hal lca tejus can do so why buy ,when we can build it our self pluss we need fighters to fly to bejing if neded......gripen and f 16 are light combate fighters
I am sooo impressed by the French videos with Rafale pilots sitting and drawing lines on a map with a pencil and ruler. That's French tactics for you, the tactics that formed the system architecture on the Rafale. 30 years behind.
30 years behind the Gripen that is.
Do you want to fight brainless 1 on 1's with PAF's dirt cheap JF-17 which will have support from China ? The PAF wants you to. They count on you BEING STUPID.
Buy the Gripen, or you will be losing 1 expensive plane for 1 JF-17.
rest assured we are not like porkistan to suck at china ,yes russia is a bigger and better friend .............we will buy the best
fighter avalible rest assured what we buy will be the best ,we dont care if you dont have the rest ,but can porkistan afford gripen ,rafael,mig 35 ,f16in ,f18 in ,or the eurofighter , the only reason you have f 16 i becaue f35 is not ready and usa dont want to close the production line that too you have outdated f 16 hahahahhhahahaha
well if u aint dunt know yet we did deals for gripen and rafael but we droped them why? beaucse we want to see ur finalization or mrca we aint that stupied ja know? and f-16 out dated we are ghetting them upgraded MLU STANDARD 50/52 soo itll be a match for sukimos we train our pilots to the max soo trust if an indian mig pilot know how to fly a fighter aircraft he can take down a f-22 legit ..... it dosent matter abt how much u buy in bulk it matters abt exp which we pak air force have boie.
rafal hahah mirrage 2000 was not offered to pork and why would usa let gripen being sold to you when their f16 plant is oppen because no body wants it not even us pilots ,your uppgraded f16 are still out dated ...............................the best f 16 tilldate is f16in which we wont buy ..........we will buy somthing better than that.............
lol f 16 IN is not a regular f 16 its highly capeabel fighter better than block 50 52 and block 60 !! its called super viper........and f18 they only ghonnna giv u the boeing not the super hornet
zaga-actually we're being offered the F-18IN (equal to US naval E/F) Super Hornet. Its the only fighter in the tender with AESA radar plus this version has never been sold/offered to any other country. Short of getting the F-35, this is the best of the bunch in the competition.
the teq in side the air craft might be the same the air frame ,hard points ,cappsity of the f18 is suppiour a true midium combat aircraft ,f16 is more a light combat air craft ,i mave seeit fly over my house its sick ,fighter of the past not the future aesa rader has been offered for f16/f18 grippn and mig35 only if the f 35 was in production
pf-agreed, that's why I'm for the F18. Ya man, wish the F35 was available already, its be so kickass-but it will be offered to India in the future. Too bad India couldn't have waited a few more years.
Trouble is China is back to its old tricks and India has only 1/3 the aircraft China has so they need new planes immediately.
I think India should work very hard to making more indigenous aircraft so we can be self-reliant and not at the mercy of western powers.
su 30 mki at lest 100 ,and more miduem combat aircraft ,and lots of naval version tejus along with the harrier....jump jet
each su 30 can carry two bramos that means it can take out two ship from three hundred km.............with the bramos with nuke warhead it can take out an entire battle fleet.......
definitely-India has awesome potential but its corrupt leftist leadership fails to use it fully sadly. But at least its coming along-I'm all for lca, mca, fgfa, as long as we can beat our main rivals and match western jets.
That'd be pretty awesome-right now there is no effective countermeasure for the supersonic brahmos.
Once we get our carriers, SSBNs, build a multi-layered BMD and get our ICBMs online, modernize the airforce/army/navy, India will be a real powerhouse-we're getting there.
well f-16IN if u get it ull ge tthe f-35 also in da future soo i think u guys will be accuieing f-16IN AND F-18IN good luck ..... but we pak might have a counter measure fc-20 and j-11b or rafael or gripen
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I think Rafale is better in price and their operations.
MIG, Sukhoi n PAK T-50 are supirior but IAF should b ready for every threats so don believe in just some type fighter.
Jai HInd.
babaaj 4 months ago
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hotrod4you2 6 months ago
Fuck pakistan terrorist state with these fighters
silverthunderable 1 year ago
shitty music!!
shashair 1 year ago
Whats finalised ? what we buying ?
ARKIEX 1 year ago
@ARKIEX eurofighter ,f18,mig 35, have cleared i gues,mig35 is the cheapest,followed by f18,then the eurofighter
pakifucker999999999 1 year ago
@pakifucker999999999
domeone from Inside told me that F18 is getting the entire deal !?
ARKIEX 1 year ago
@ARKIEX Might be the case. F-18 E/F could surely sneak in. Its an inside feeling to me. As it can be later modified or second tranche can be ordered for Navy also. They are the serious Dark-Horses in the Race here. Watch out for F-18E/F, Americans can goto any extent to sell their products, i smell some serious lobbying going on for it.
chex29 1 year ago
@chex29
Im not sure why the Mig35 lost its the flagbearer of the legendary Mig29 ..
F-18 is good but we must not take the de-graded versions of it... !
and the problems with Rafale and Eurofighter is that they havent prooven themselves yet !
ARKIEX 1 year ago
@ARKIEX True. But the Americans are providing us with F-18E/F with AESA in an upgrade.
MiG-35 will make IAF with all Russian dimension in our force, rather shape our force in multi-national way to get experience on American and European jets too.
Between Rafale and EF2000, i would definitely want IAF to gor for Rafales.
chex29 1 year ago
@chex29 no way f18 if we buy f18 consider iaf as cripled ...ef 2000 is the best buy the only thing good about rafales is its defence meaciacanism ,we might get it re gard less of which fighter we get..
pakifucker999999999 1 year ago
@pakifucker999999999 the EF would be the ultimate choice that i would love to see in IAF, but the Americans can go to any extent to sell their super hornets.
chex29 1 year ago
@chex29 we dont trust anation that tryied to nuke just 20 years ago , probely us fighters in the future not now at that scale 125+ no way pluss they dint offer the best ..its their second best ...pluse they have proved they are not relibale in the our of need.....they can sell it to pore porks but navy might get f35...for sure for the future
pakifucker999999999 1 year ago
@ARKIEX mig 35 is not being used by even russia ,its that new and there are only prototyps avalible ..........untile some of these aircraft enter servis we wont know how they work in the maintaince depamarnt and how relibile they are
pakifucker999999999 1 year ago
@ARKIEX Dude the main reason for Mig35 to be placed behind its European contenders was the low thrust-weight ratio.
Mig35 engines are powerful but not enough to prevent a stall while the aircraft performs vertical altitude climbing at high angle of attack.
The MIG-35 engines failed to meet any single parameter being set by IAF IOC requirements.
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@blackpearl098 no we have a llot of russion fighters that athe reson we dont want mig 35......second mig 29 ovt is better than any of the european fighters ....we have enough migs ,+the idea is get fighters from other nation,
pakifucker999999999 1 year ago
@blackpearl098 no we have a llot of russion fighters that athe reson we dont want mig 35......second mig 29 ovt is better than any of the european fighters ....we have enough migs ,+the idea is get fighters from other nation,biggest problem with mig 35 is its not in sevirce any were in the world not even in russia
pakifucker999999999 1 year ago
@pakifucker999999999 Dude, I am not talking about the analysis of military political doctrine.
If this could have been the case, Mig35 could not have been offered to propose a tender.
The test flight summary report submitted to ministry of defense has indicated about Mig-35 being failed in most of IOC parameters being set as benchmark by IAF.
The engine is being claimed to have thrust/weight ration of 1.14 however the actual tests revealed 0.91 which was a huge shame (lowest of all in MRCA)
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@pakifucker999999999 Apart from that, Mig35 is a heavy weight fighter which doesn't really fill the current gaps in IAF defence/offence capabilities (thats why it failed in most of parameters set by IAF)
by 2020, IAF's vison is to have FGFA (PAK-FA) and SU-30MKI as long range deepstrike/air superority mission aircrafts + MRCA/Tejas/Mig29K SMT/Mirage 2K's as multirole fighters as interceptor/bombers/escorts.
Mig35 fits in Su-30MKI catagorie (with improved thrust-weight ratio) thus not an MRCA
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@blackpearl098 + everything the mig 35 can do ,mig 29 upgraded ones can do it....
pakifucker999999999 1 year ago
@pakifucker999999999 perhaps Mig29SMT (being upgraded at the moment)
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@blackpearl098 your right ,ef is all was the best option,it would have been nice if usa had offered f18 with f119 engine with tvc......that would have been worth the optrional risk that comes when buying usa made products ,on the other hand if dilivery was posible we could have orded further su 30 mki ...but have excisting orders in complet that not right
pakifucker999999999 1 year ago
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blackpearl098 1 year ago
@pakifucker999999999 Dude, what are you talking?? USA itself doesn't has F/A 18's fitted with F119's and TVC's. How would they give to us?
F-117 has been designed specifically for F-22 to cater super cruise abilities without use of afterburners.
Engines like F-117 are required for long range interceptors/bombers rather than medium range combat aircraft (MRCA) and this is not a selection criteria for India's M-MRCA competition.
India never requested F/A 18's with F117 and TVC for M-MRCA..!!
;-)
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@1987naren we have enough mula to get the entire 200pluss fighters in the next ten years................or more ef...........
pakifucker999999999 1 year ago
@1987naren
India isn't interest F-18E/F Super Hornet because the lack of the performance.
USAAIRPOWER 1 year ago
we dont want US arms ; those people always ve strings attached . su-30 wont do for medium comabat role; we need to speed up MCA project and be ready to service any foriegn tech ourselves like HAL is doing right now for anyother crafts . we cant depend on any nation except russia for that matter
shrey2smart 2 years ago
@shrey2smart From reports that I've heard, Russia sells weapons but gives little in ancillary support. In fact, one of the reasons that the MRCA competition exists was the chronic inadequate supply of crucial MiG-29 parts from Russia. What makes anyone think that if India buys the MiG-35 that things are going to change?
Amar7605 1 year ago
@Amar7605 no mig 29 is an older class of fighter we have the most resent ones for the navy the k series mig 35 is better and a new fighter russia gives a good after sales with no strings attached................and are secont to non in this part of the deal.
pakifucker999999999 1 year ago
@pakifucker999999999 Um... please re-read what I wrote. I never said that the MiG-35 was a bad plane. All I said was that India's recent experience with MiG-29 support from Russia has been poor. Yeah, Russia sells weapons, but no support along with it.
That's like buying a car and not being able to get the oil changed because there's no one manufacturing the filter.
Amar7605 1 year ago
@Amar7605 like i said there is no problem with russia in delivering sparis ,we had problem in delivery of new hardware which was delayed by various reasons ,and as for mig 29 ,along with the older mig 29 which are being uppgraded ,the navy has recived 16 mig 29ks ,and has orded 29 more mig 29ks............
pakifucker999999999 1 year ago
@pakifucker999999999 That's only because the MiG-29K was designed for the new aircraft carrier.
Amar7605 1 year ago
@Amar7605 yes mig 29 k is a naval version but it was never desined for india ,we brought it because its the best...........we did have problem withe sparies but those were from other sovith countrys but not from russie we only importde mig 21 parts from and had qulity problems
pakifucker999999999 1 year ago
@pakifucker999999999 MiG-29 is NOT the best. Once again, please re-read what I wrote. India had to buy the MiG-29K because it was designed for the Admiral Gorshkov, and really no other reason. The Su-33 is far superior, if you want to talk about which plane is the best. And still, India had trouble obtaining MiG-29 spares and support from Russia post-Soviet Union as well.
Amar7605 1 year ago
@Amar7605 su33 is a heavy combat naval muilty role combat fighter ,indian dos not opprat this cattogory fighter ,mig 29ks was the best medium muilty role combat fighter avalible to the indian navy ..............mig 35 are in oppration limitid number in russia .............it was not avalibile when deal for admiral gorshkov along 16 mig29ks were signed......the problem with russia is delay in delivery,not spares
pakifucker999999999 1 year ago
@pakifucker999999999 So you're saying that India has already chosen the MiG-35 over the other MRCA competitors?!?!? Please get your facts straight. And where are the your sources that say that Russia's problem is deliveries and not spares?
Amar7605 1 year ago
@Amar7605 i said mig 35 were not in servise or for sale when mig 29 ks were brought...........as for the mmrca i dont think mig 35 is best contender ............and i think your retarded because i have been saying agaian and agaian ,russia has delayed delivers new hardware /not spares ............go check it out your self ..........
pakifucker999999999 1 year ago
@pakifucker999999999 India already has 83 MIG29's. (Initial order was for 60 raised now to total of 112)
Indian Air Force - 69 MIG-29's all being upgraded to UPG standard.
Indian Navy - 14 MIG-29K's all being upgraded to SMT standard + 29 more on order (will come with SMT upgrades)
UPG/SMT will enable all Indian MIG-29's to fall in 4.5 gen category + additional life of 15-20 years.
(Upgrades - ZHUK-ME radar/in-flight refueling/extra fuel/HOTAS/Extra weapons store/radar absorbent paint coating)
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@Amar7605 Service is not really the case of concern for Mig 29 Fighters in IAF. IAF got a element of surprise when they came to know that Russia has stopped inducting any more Mig29 fighters in its airforce/navy fleet, reason being identified as low shelve life of the composite material being used to manufacture tail section fuselage of the Mig29 fighter.
IAF is upgrading all its Mig29's to SMT standard which will solve the fuselage problem along with radar,weapons and avionics upgrades.
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@Amar7605 Amar, you are highly mistaken with the spare parts information you have.
Mig 29 is used extensively among best air force's around the world. The spares are not a problem with mig29's.
India experienced spare parts issues for its largest fleet of mig19,21 and 27 series of fighters/bombers((and not mig29 and su-30MKI), only because there was no induction of new generation aircrafts in IAF for almost 2 decades and we kept relying on out of support/service life aircrafts.
contd..
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@Amar7605 India was hopeful of getting Tejas ready by early 1990's which never happened. By all this window phase period, India started manufacturing crucial spares of Mig series at home. The parts were never certified by MIG corporation because India was still using obsolete and out of service/support life aircrafts.
This resulted in several and frequent air crashes of mig series of air crafts causing loss of many aircrafts and pilots.
Delay in Tejas urged India for M-MRCA procurement.
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@Amar7605: hw can u say that bro. russians upgraded the entire fleet of iAF mig-29, Added later as "BAAZ" in Squadron of "Tuskers". They provided smerch MBRLs later India developed into Pinaca with Additional Salvos & range. AK-47s are still the best rifles in the world. They provided T-90 with full TOT. Tunguska M1, first line of Air defense. Every indian destroyer is equipped with Russian Cruise missile System partially modified by Israel. russians are not Bad. they helped us without betrayin
vaibhav371 1 year ago
@vaibhav371 remember russia has helped us when we were at war ,three times ,they steped in and kept usa ,and britten nuke ships whish were treatning to nuke us .....if it were for russia back dore helping in the previous wars we would have not won ...in the past..
pakifucker999999999 1 year ago
@pakifucker999999999: thatz y i always say..India should see her interest first rather than just being carried away with US regime. I wish India should develop more lethal weapon systems with russia. Indian govt. is just putting their feet in the shoes of USA. thatz not good. they ought to see who has been their all weather friend. Long live Indo-russia friendship. Long Live Indo- Israel. Russia is the best. I would look forward to Induct SU-25BM rather than MMRCA....
vaibhav371 1 year ago
Americans will sell F-16 IN to India then they would try to balance the power in S Asia by giving them the same to Pakistan. more over they would threaten to Give Maintenance if a war is seen between Ind n Pak. and Still lickin Indian Asses for the deal. its good to buy another lot of Su-30 MKI or Mig-35 Fulcrum as the maintenance would not be a problem and Russians are tested frnds of India even in Fragile times. i bet Mig-35 Fulcrum is better than its rivals
vaibhav371 2 years ago
yep true ,if not the tyfoon ,if mig 35 aint that good ,then we can waight for fgfa
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
@vaibhav371 Open up eyes dude.. the India-pakistan-america game has shifted after end of cold war.
Americans have got only one hope in south-west asia, and that is India.
Americans supported Pakistan in 1965/1971 war only because India was close ally of soviet union.
After fall of Soviet Union in 1989, Americans had no interest in supporting Pakistan. America is maintaining its ties to pakistan only because of its dependency on pakistan for war on terror in afghanistan.
contd..
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@vaibhav371 Can't you see, americans have denied pakistan of any weapons/technology from last decade?
Cant you see americans supported india intentionally during Kargil war? Pakistan lost its face during 1999 kargil war because it had too high expectations from US and US ditched them during kargil war.
Can't you see, Pakistan has shifted its focus on China for weapons/economy and infrastructure from last 2 decades?
Contd..
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@blackpearl098: americans have a long history of betraying their best allies. Americans can never be trusted. They insulated our Air force Pilots in Red flag, They misbehaved with our Ambassador in New york. Again putting 3 Bn US$ on pakistan with 13 F-16 Block 50/52, Wotz all this. russia never betrayed india. had russian quality been poor, we would have been attacked much before. China has poured 800 Bn US$ in America bought their Bonds. US would think 2wice before Indulging india 2 China
vaibhav371 1 year ago
@vaibhav371 Well America has never betrayed any of its allies however there is no friend no foe in politics.
Parties with similar geopolitical interests tend to align and this alignment shifts with time.
Israel and India were official rivals during cold war. Israel and India established close defense and political ties only after 1991 and that was because of geopolitical interests.
America is a super power so there has to be some immunity to them and so does every other superpower expects.
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@vaibhav371 Americans never insulted Indian pilots. Listen to the conversation properly. He was making fun of su-30 MKI fighters and Russian electronic warfare suite. so in fact he was making fun of Russian supplied technology and thats quite obvious for a american pilot to make fun of non US made aircrafts.
Real test results revealed after red flag was that American f-15's are no match for Su-30MKI with BVR turned off. It was proposed in US senate to make better fighters to counter russian tech
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@vaibhav371 Actually a real full scale war scenario not a possibility for any either India or China.
Both countries are gigantic in size and impossible to invade and control. India-China may experience small scale skirmishes at north-eastern border. US would be very much aligned to India as US is being and has always supported democratic reforms rather than conservative communist regimes.
Americans broke USSR, they will break china as well. China's most neighbors have american bases settled.
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@vaibhav371 regarding F-16's deal to pakistan, check again carefully.
After 1998 nuclear tests, Pakistan was denied of further more F-16's (existing order) and all the spares by US congress.
Pakistan has ageing F-16's which have been left with less than 10 years life. Pakistan again reversed engineered F-16's with help of China and named it as JF-17.
Pakistan has turned to China for its military equipment as US denied to Pakistan, all the weapons and technology upgrades.
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@blackpearl098: Americans gave pakistan Stinger missiles, Tomakawk cruise missiles, Snipper rifles, for the fight against terrorism & every1 knows when it would be used & against whom. they are blindly supporting pakistan who still continues to stock enriched plutonium. Russian policy is very clear, they dont mess with business & relationship. Even israelis are better allies of India than US. these brits and US wants their jobs back. i wish the MMRCA deal goes to either Mig or French Raffale.
vaibhav371 1 year ago
@vaibhav371 Dude please check again the source of information as its all wrong.
America never gave tomahawk cruise missiles to Pakistan. once a tomahawk cruise missile got crashed in Afghanistan and Pakistan reversed engineered the crashed tomahawk missile with help of china and named the missile as Babur. Pakistani's have no tomahawk cruise missiles in their arsenal.
Americans have not turned a blind eye in Pakistan. India has got civil nuclear deal from US congress and Pakistan was denied.
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@blackpearl098 Stringer was given during cold war and yes, Americans are not supporting Pakistanis blindly.
Have you have heard of blackwater agency?(check google)
Americans have already planted their private mercenaries to dig Pakistan's nuclear arsenal locations.
Russia has a lot of mess with other countries, if not India, so its not a generic statement that russia doesn't mess.
As I said before, Russia is struggling with internal political-economical crises unlike china
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@blackpearl098: Thanks for the information & sharing, but i still doubt on US. They are super power no doubt. They sent 7th fleet in bay of bengal in 71, They black listed ISRO, BHEL, Bharat Dynamics, DRDO. they refused super computer, They refused advanced metallurgical theory that could have been suited for the development of Arjun Tank, They put sanctions on procurements of 155 mm Field howitzer guns, They refused AWACS, They even refused LGB in Kargil. Thanks to russia again for supplyn LGB
vaibhav371 1 year ago
@vaibhav371 Its fine dude, even if you're doubtful about US. They sent USS Enterprise in bay of bengal and urged Chinese to attack India because, USSR and US were in cold war at that time and India was ally of USSR. US didn't want soviet influence until all the way to southeast asia, thats why they didn't want Indians to win the war. As I mentioned earlier, Its all past 1989. They blacklisted Indian defence companies only after 1998 nuclear tests. Bans are common for all new nuclear countries.
blackpearl098 11 months ago
@vaibhav371 The have been refusing the latest potent technology to all the non-NATO countries NATO believes in unipolar world order.
All the sanctions, hurdles etc you're talking about was placed only after 1998 nuclear tests. Similar bans have been imposed on Iran, Pakistan, Libya, North Korea etc.
However all the bans on Indian defence organisations have been lifted recently.
US also drove India to become the ONLY country allowed to do business with NSG countries without signing CTBT.
blackpearl098 11 months ago
@vaibhav371 They refused AWACS and LGB but they provided C-130J super Hercules and weakened pakistan's stand on kargil war by favoring India openly in UN assembly. They DIRECTED musharraf to withdraw forces with immediate effect.
By the way, Russia didn't provided LGB's during Kargil war. It was Israel who provided american LGB's (Paveway III - GBU 24) to India.You know that Americans refused India for AWACS but you dont know even russia and france too denied AWACS to India.
blackpearl098 11 months ago
@vaibhav371 And regarding M-MRCA deal, buying MIG 35 will not solve purpose of tendering M-MRCA as MIG 35 is nothing more than MIG-29 SMT/UPG which India already has. Rafale would be good choice however performance wise, Eurofighter Typhoon proved much better in IOC test results.
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@vaibhav371 New world order is China vs US and US sees rising India as its close ally against rising China.
Russia is no longer an aligned entity as its struggling with collapsing economy and growing internal issues.
for the next 30 years, US main focus will be on supporting India/South Korea/Japan and Taiwan politically and militarily so as to counter growing threat from rising China.
No one is a friend to another in this world. Changing world order makes alignment forever changing.
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@blackpearl098: India should not get carried away with US. & i dont Think China & India would ever come close to war as their exists a business of 60 Bn US$. obama has a clear vision, they were in india for jobs. whenever any of the president travels to india they keep on barking good things much before their visit is realized. They just want to sell their products and create jobs there. its not the case with russia. They helped India develop technology.
vaibhav371 1 year ago
@vaibhav371 Can you name any technology for which Russia helped India to develop?
Please don't name BrahMos as it was co-developed.
For the records, Russia has always supported India in political matters, because India used to be the biggest arms importer of Russian defense equipment (now Israel) and India was USSR ally during cold war.
Infact Israel and France has helped India to develop new technology and russia just did the technology transfer and license to create replicas.
blackpearl098 1 year ago
@blackpearl098: Russian Helped india in nuclear tech. BARC is with russian help only. They established Tehri Hydro Power Station in Uttarakhand 200MW. gave india fast breed reactors. Enriched Uranium. and m not gonna name it though u can see urself PAKFGFA- developed mainly by Russians project being funded by MoD. design, airframe, engines, TVC all developed by Russia. The computers and command control is being designed by Samtel india, TCS & DRDO
vaibhav371 1 year ago
@vaibhav371 Dude, there is a difference between tendering/acquiring a military hardware/project and helping to develop it. You talked about "helping to develop it".
All that stuff you mentioned is being developed by Russia apart from software modification by DRDO and HAL to make systems compatible with other Indian hardware control points and manforce.
PAK-FA(Parent model of FGFA) has already been developed by Russia. FGFA is variant of PAK-FA with different airframe being announced by HAL.
blackpearl098 11 months ago
@blackpearl098: well dear i will once again say, americans can never be trusted, nor the brits. there is an evidence a Programme "Strike force" in russian language available on youtube, see it how US & Brits came in the indian ocean to nuke us. Richard nixon turned off his eyes from Genocide that was being done by paki forces in 71. Mrs. gandhi even went to the US for support, but they refused and called her a wicked lady. they r born stabbers & cheaters. India should'nt overlook its frnd Rusia
vaibhav371 1 year ago
@vaibhav371 I would furnish your statement further. You said americans can never be trusted. Perhaps if India could have tried to vote against USSR during soviet invasion of afghanistan in 1979 and things could have been different altogether by now.
No one is a friend or foe in world order. Its just mutual geo-political interests which form alignments.
India has always stood up with neutral stance thats why indians are welcomed to do business with all factions around the globe.
blackpearl098 11 months ago
@blackpearl098: for MMRCA, the necessity was felt when LCA project continued to delay and ageing Mig-21s were labelled as coffins, now since LCA has been inducted, we have upgraded Mig-29 "BAAZ", Su-30MKI and upgradation of Mirage-2000 is going on, then india must look out for Su-35 BM super flanker/ or Su-37 with Israeli electronics and Russian Zhuk-AESA. a total Air superiority Fighter with unmatched characteristics. no match of any of the MMRCA contender. True 4+++ fighter
vaibhav371 1 year ago
@vaibhav371 no there is little difference between su 30mki,and the su 27,35,37,su 35 is russia first fly by wire fully composite fighter this was made only after india started putting more composite parts on su 30mki,and the new su30mki are fully composite made india asea raders on uppgrade program for older su 30mki,the new ones will have them too i would happy if we could get mpre su 30mki than mmrca,problem production lines ,buying mmrca we will have more planes in less time.
pakifucker999999999 1 year ago
@vaibhav371 For MMRCA, you're not getting the point. Indian airforce defence/offense doctrine is based on 3 elements.
defence - Lightweight fighters with dedicated/multirole capability (Mig 19, 21, 27, jaguars etc)
Offence heavyweight - deepstrike/strategic - Heavy multiroles with deep strike capabilities (FGFA, SU30MKI)
Offense/Defence multiroles (MMRCA) - Tejas, MMRCA finalist, Mig29OVT/UPG/
blackpearl098 11 months ago
@vaibhav371 Su-35 is just a normal su-30MKI with AESA. when we are already upgrading our SU-30MKI's with AESA by 2012, why do we need su-35??
su-35 sits in a separate class bro. IAF is looking moreover for multiroles which will be used with dedicated roles (based on squadrons) and since the aircrafts will be multiroles, they can be used in case of change in military doctrine during crisis management.
for eg : changing from strike to ground attack or air superiority and so on.
blackpearl098 11 months ago
@blackpearl098: if US really wants to make a healthy strategic partnership, they could have sold us USS kitty hawk and Additional FA-18/SH navy version. ha ha..just kiddin. but yes it could have been a better deal rather than going for a gorshkov. though gorshkov when it would be inducted will be a marvel. wot r u comments on acquisitions of USS kitty Hawk CVN class Carrier though it does not fit in indian budget & requirements but who knows hw inportant it could be.
vaibhav371 11 months ago
@vaibhav371 i totally agrey with you ,with su type in full production,ef in full production ,then the navy buy ing f18 [100] which they plan to order buying usa is sencible ,it will be realy good if they are willing to sell a brand new super carrier ,india can afford that in the next defence budget ...that wont be a problem...then again why buy what we can build in a few years ....
pakifucker999999999 11 months ago
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blackpearl098 11 months ago
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@vaibhav371 FYI.. MIG-35 failed miserably in IAF specifications and IOC test conducted in may 2007.
The engines failed to impress (Thrust/Weight claimed 1.14 and actual tests revealed 0.92).
and why are you talking foolish? Su-35/37 are not MMRCA contenders, sit in heavyweight class and India already has SU-30MKI and more are ordered. Why we need to by SU-35/37 which are variants of su-30, based on same airframe of su-27 same engines ??
Are you even aware of IAF requirement?
blackpearl098 11 months ago
@blackpearl098: i m not only aware of facts, but also concerned that the deal could be bagged by Americans and then they will show their real characteristics to indians. in any contingency if IAF needed to attack, the spares would not be available coz US has a parliamentary sanction policy (not to sell weapon systems other than NATO nations or US allies). UFT could be a good choice if not Mig-35. i m shattered that Mig-35 failed in IOC tests.
vaibhav371 11 months ago
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USAAIRPOWER 2 years ago
Enhanced High Thrust Engine
The F-16IN offers the highest thrust engine in the competition, the General Electric F110-132A. It has 32,000 pounds of thrust with an unprecedented record of safety, reliability, maintainability and durability.The F110 incorporates the latest technology, including full authority digital engine control, for maximum fuel efficiency and performance.
USAAIRPOWER 2 years ago
@USAAIRPOWER Dude, doesn't matter how much thrust F-16 would provide as what all matters is thrust/weight ratio for any aircraft.
F-16 stands at 1.09 which is quite ok. and not a eye catcher.
Other reason is the old airframe. No matter how much you upgrade a old variant. A vigorously upgraded ford mustang wil not be chosen if offered ferrari/lamborghini.
Who told you, F16IN has the highest thrust/weight ratio among other MRCA contenders?
Contd..
blackpearl098 1 year ago
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blackpearl098 1 year ago
Raytheon's combat-proven EW systems are deployed on F-16 aircraft worldwide. Superior agility and excellent pilot situational awareness reduce vulnerability to attack, while critical systems redundancy and shielding enhance survivability.
USAAIRPOWER 2 years ago
when it comes to agility, rader sinature etc tejus is better than f 16......
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
@USAAIRPOWER Why US not induction F-16 block 70 in its airforce anymore? Why its only available for export?
Why USAF is relying on F-15's and F-18's is F-16 block 70 could do the job?
blackpearl098 11 months ago
@blackpearl098 money, why hav'nt usaf/gov built a f-16 true block 70 model w/ full matv (3D thrust vectoring) with small canards,5th gen engine? why hav'nt usa fixxed the f-22 w/ updates it so so much needs. the f-22 has lost it's edge from only because of lack of funding,to fund so called frontline fighters f-16-f-18. but if there was a mass attack from 2 side which could happen (these things happen when your at your weakest and the usa is at its weakest sence 1930's)f-22 is a red headstepchild
hotrod4you2 6 months ago
Advanced Survivability Features
The low radar signature of the F-16IN reduces detection by enemy radars. Its single-engine design has smaller infrared and visual signature than twin-engine fighters. The internal electronic warfare and towed decoy systems, provided by Raytheon, avoid or defeat the most advanced threats.
USAAIRPOWER 2 years ago
tejus has better than f 16 heare too
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
Data integrates through all phases of the mission from mission planning, navigation, communication and target prosecution to return to base transforming the pilot from an aircraft system manager to a tactician. The F-16IN is the most reliable, maintainable and safest multirole fighter in the world based on more than 13 million flight hours in peacetime and combat operations. Also, our support approach provides the lowest life-cycle cost and is consistent with existing IAF maintenance practices.
USAAIRPOWER 2 years ago
see its an old fighter .....when it comes to flight time mig 21 is better pluss indias mig 21 can take on paki f 16......any day
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
Net-Centric Warfare Capability
The fusion of net-centric operations and onboard data provides a total battle space picture and optimizes mission accomplishment. The F-16 was the first multi-role fighter to incorporate a data link capability, and the IAF's Operational Data Link (ODL) can be integrated onto the F-16IN when available, ensuring interoperability with other IAF aircraft.
USAAIRPOWER 2 years ago
tejus can do that to.....
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
Modern, Full-Color, All-Digital Glass Cockpit
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USAAIRPOWER 2 years ago
so is the tejus
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
The F-16IN is a unique new fighter sharing a heritage with the world's only 5th Gen. fighters the F-35 and the F-22. Evolutionary integration of 5th Gen. technologies makes the F-16IN the most advanced 4th Gen. fighter in the world today.
F-16IN APG-80 AESA radar provides outstanding situational awareness and detection; ultrahigh-resolution synthetic aperture radar mapping, fully interleaved modes of operations with automatic terrain following; and air-to-air tracking of multiple targets.
USAAIRPOWER 2 years ago
why buy f 16 when we can afford f35.our navy plans to get them
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
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blackpearl098 1 year ago
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@USAAIRPOWER Its very difficult to justify the generation and the capabilities in fighter aircrafts when there is little or no participation in actual war.
I have nothing against USA but just want to remind you about the fact that world's first 5th generation bomber /ground attack aircraft, USAF F-117 Nighthawk was shot down in 1999 during kosovo war by Yugoslavian army's obsolete 1st generation vehicle launched SAM system S-125 Pechora designed by Soviet Union in 1960's.
blackpearl098 1 year ago
F-16IN Super Viper Block 70 is good choice of IAF. F-16IN Super Viper Block 70 could beat China J-10B Vigorous Dragon, FC-1 Fierce Dragon, Pakistan FC-20 Vanguard, & JF-17 Thunder. F-16IN Super Block 70 is advance F-16.
USAAIRPOWER 2 years ago
@USAAIRPOWER Dude.. lol
:D
How can you say that F-16IN would beat China's J-10B Vigorous Dragon, FC-1 Fierce Dragon, Pakistan FC-20 Vanguard, & JF-17 Thunder ?? Is there any logic you can provide on basis of what you have been claiming all this?
JF-17 is chinese version of F-16 block 52 with little upgradations. J-10 is considered even more advanced than JF-17 and FC-20 (known as J10B for PLAAF) is even more advanced version of J10.
You are just talking crap without any sources or logic.
blackpearl098 11 months ago
@blackpearl098 what the engine life ect of these chinese made jets? poor at best when conparing to u.s there raw russian stuff copies, like all the other stuff, china is a copy machine
hotrod4you2 6 months ago
The better manouverability will be countered by the ASRAAM with its Lock on after launch capability, which is one reason the IAF has chosen the ASRAAM over the other missiles for WVR combat .
paimanish 2 years ago
asraam with its lock on after launch is better than existing misiles ,airodynamics for a misile and fighter aircraft are diffirent ,missile can out fly a fighter when it comes to spead but fighters manouverability is the missile disadvantage as fighters can out fly them hear .............
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
A short range missile typically can bear 40+ to 50+ G loads & it is not limited by the human element.
Current air superiority or high performance fighters typically can bear 8 to 9 g's but cannot sustain them due to the human limits and huge drop of airspeed
It's actually the fighters counter-measure systems like jammers, chaff, flares and anti-missile missiles/guns which can give them more protection than just manouverability....
paimanish 2 years ago
yes they can take a lot of g loads ,they dont have large wings for them to turn ,ther turn radius is very large but a fighters turn radius is very small ,,and yes counter measures do work too.........
i would like you to do some research about what i have said .........
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
Dude, consider the fact why the next generation (6th generation) of military combat aircraft will probably be unmanned and it will be pretty clear to you on who needs to do his research.
And next time on, try and spell correctly....
paimanish 2 years ago
you still havent got the point ,missils and fighters work differently ,but its true about ucavs.........ita more practical to have unmaned fighters ,boambers
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
Trust me, i know the difference (and similarities) between the flying characteristics of combat aircrafts & AAMs.
Most WVR AAMs today are almost as maneuverable as the aircraft they are supposed to bring down AND they have the advantage of not being limited by the human element.
AND AAMs are now getting fitted with TVC
The light powerful AAMs also bleed speed at a much lower rate than the more manuverable but larger but heavier aircraft, which starts tilting the advantage in re-engage mode..
paimanish 2 years ago
yep this is true ,but they day they get real good ,fighters are history..
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
They are getting very very good.. and very smart !
India needs to get on with the UCAV program without any delay.. perhaps even at the cost of toning down the 5th gen Fighter program with Russia or converting the 5th gen manned stealthy fighter program to a 6th gen unmanned stealthy UCAV program
It will bring down the pilot attrition rate which is plaguing the IAF and maybe even attract thousands of current college students and avid gamers to join up with the IAF as UCAV operators :-)
paimanish 2 years ago
the fifth gen russian and tejus and mca ,lakshya un maned drone ,nissant ,and rustam ,india medium endurance un maned program are going on but cant say anything about ucav for the time beining but it will happen
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
-SU-30mki ahd an excercise with typhoon and it won.
taylorbanned 2 years ago
As far as i know the honors were shared with the Eurofighter having the edge in BVR combat.
The DoD didnt release the details about the Indradhanush 2007 exercise to the general public but you can read some details by googling Indra Dhanush 2007 Su 30MKI vs Eurofighter
paimanish 2 years ago
All that was admitted was mki has wayy better manouverability.
taylorbanned 2 years ago
Gripen has advantage of being able to take off from 800m runways.BUt mig-35 and rafale are the only real contenders.
taylorbanned 2 years ago
no way ,the best fighter in europ is the euro fighter ,su 30 mki can take on rafal but not the tyfoon......like i have said before its a wast of money to go for the gripen and f 16 ,what this fighters can do tejus can do why buy what we can make ,pluss they are not the fighters of tommrow
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
by the way mig 29 can do it in 400m.........
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
LCA Tejas SUCKS cant do much at all.
foxinterspecial 2 years ago
the only 4.5 gen single engine fighter in the world ,your sourcess are rong .........
get right info dont stick to propaganda
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
What about Gripen ??? 4.5 And it acctually in service
foxinterspecial 2 years ago
half of it is american ,if we want american ,we will buy american ,anything gripen,can do tejus can do it better ,pluss why should we buy somhing that we can produce ,pluss sweden could stop supply under presure ..........buy ing the gripen or f16in is dumb est thing india could ,tell me is the gripen better the eurofighter....or the f 18 ,of the mig 35....give me an honest anwser.......... gripen is not the boforse of the skies ....
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
India doesn't have the skills to build a good modern fighter and gripen is a good choce
foxinterspecial 2 years ago
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fuck u man
goyaljames 2 years ago
we allready have a better fighter than the gripen,f16,j10 ,mirage,mig21,25,27 ,jagure,or any other light combate fighter in the world ,its the best in its class ,iam not bosting because its indian ,because its the best ,and yes we had the problem with engin,but its has been solved .....read my other comments and you will know why gripen is not the best offered
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
other nations dunt want jf-17 is going to go big when we get the right AESA AND EVERYTHING GO LOOK AT THE NATIONS WHO ARE INTRESTED IN IT ALOTTTTT!! AND INDIA LCA NOT READY AHHAHAHAAH!
zagahaga 2 years ago
hahhahaahkf17 is so good china has disided not to induct it into its armd forcesshahahhahahahahahachina dos not have aesa russia has developed and just finished testing and wewill be the first to get it ,...........
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
wow 4 real then who is going to replace all the aQ 5 fantas f-7 andold air crafts aun ka baaap?!?!? ur an idot they are going to waite for settings high standards for them selves ;
zagahaga 2 years ago
porkistan is buying jf17 not china idiot this aircraft is so bad china dosent want to use it but only want sell it to porkistan and other losers
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
r u retarded ?? china is going for the jf 17 how do i know? they have a q 5 fantas, f7,old planes dont they need a much modern plane which can fill in the needs for china i think yes! the spended soo much money in it and jsut to tell u it is going throught evulations ritee now they iddent finalized the dead yet so stfu
zagahaga 2 years ago
pice of shit your jf 17 is so bad china disided not to induct in in their forcess hahahahahaahhahaah only shity porkistani airforce will have shit jf17 hahaha go do reserch first and then bark hahhaah
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
lol they are going to induct it idot? all the f-7 and q-5 fantas where they going to go they shurley dont want flying coffins which your conutry proudly displays .. LOOOL
zagahaga 2 years ago
you fuckin idiot mig 21 ,is still in production in russia and its is the best and the most produced mordean fighter in the world 12,000 or more have been produced by mig.........hahahhhha
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
looooool and that why it falls out of the sky ..hmmmm reminds me of a whole bunch of months that surround the light out side my house i get a fly swatter and start swinging and they fall out from the hundereds .... same example of the MIG.21
zagahaga 2 years ago
just remember this ,indian mig 21 can take out your f16 ,but your f is cannot do any thing to our mig21 as the have isreal made jammers ,paki f16 shoots a missile but it cant hit indian mig21 hahhaahhah pluss we have mirage,mig 23,25,27, 29 ,hahah su 30mki i know its over kill for porkistan ,we also have jagvauor.........harrier tejus next year ,tu 50 in 2/3 years mmrca in 2 years ,mca in five years hahahahhaha jsf in 5 years hahahah ,and you have chinese junk ,and out dated /old shit haha
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
india want sum air force for the next generations of flying coffins
zagahaga 2 years ago
before that hapens porkistan will be history
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
ummm ok ... like wut ever... tell me wut hapend after mumbai attacks? u told us air strikes in pak did it happen? no why? beacuse we deployed our army all of it reserved and active no offence u guys backed down sir. iam jsut saying and i should not say flying coffins beacuse the pilots in them have familys iam sorry for that ... mig-21 bisons i dunt think they can jam a radar of f-16 mlu .... yes f-7 ohh yes they can and fantas... but any thang else maybe not.
zagahaga 2 years ago
you fool ,you cant jam rader you can jam rader signals ,the jammers were made by israel ,specaily for india they have been tested on israly f 16 hahhahahaha
they can also jam chinese junk ...... you have if not today than later but rest assured your history...............
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
giv me a source that that they did that and ill belive and let it be one that is reliable not from sum pro isrealie sit or indian sit ok
zagahaga 2 years ago
hahah your some dum ass
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
ME DUMASS LOL...... jiv me a source mig-21 jammer .jamming a f-16 i want to see that eh lollllll u speechless
zagahaga 2 years ago
did you know that flying coffins[mig 21 ]that india has are uppgraded to carry air to air missiel ,have israle made jammers ,this makes your paki f 16 useless...pluss we have 300 of those hahahahahahha
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ejecthunter 2 years ago
we fucked the england ,pakistan was born ,when we fucked pakistan ,bangladesh was born ,this when we fuck pakistan ,who knows ,boloch istan ,.or who knows what will be born hahhahaahhahahah
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
gripen it makes better sense.
bharati270 2 years ago
everything the gripen and f16 can do hal lca tejus can do so why buy ,when we can build it our self pluss we need fighters to fly to bejing if neded......gripen and f 16 are light combate fighters
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
I am sooo impressed by the French videos with Rafale pilots sitting and drawing lines on a map with a pencil and ruler. That's French tactics for you, the tactics that formed the system architecture on the Rafale. 30 years behind.
30 years behind the Gripen that is.
Do you want to fight brainless 1 on 1's with PAF's dirt cheap JF-17 which will have support from China ? The PAF wants you to. They count on you BEING STUPID.
Buy the Gripen, or you will be losing 1 expensive plane for 1 JF-17.
Laccodel 2 years ago
if i where india i would go 4 mig 35 beacuse india is russia butt buddy so u ghotta support ur butt buddy
zagahaga 2 years ago
rest assured we are not like porkistan to suck at china ,yes russia is a bigger and better friend .............we will buy the best
fighter avalible rest assured what we buy will be the best ,we dont care if you dont have the rest ,but can porkistan afford gripen ,rafael,mig 35 ,f16in ,f18 in ,or the eurofighter , the only reason you have f 16 i becaue f35 is not ready and usa dont want to close the production line that too you have outdated f 16 hahahahhhahahaha
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
well if u aint dunt know yet we did deals for gripen and rafael but we droped them why? beaucse we want to see ur finalization or mrca we aint that stupied ja know? and f-16 out dated we are ghetting them upgraded MLU STANDARD 50/52 soo itll be a match for sukimos we train our pilots to the max soo trust if an indian mig pilot know how to fly a fighter aircraft he can take down a f-22 legit ..... it dosent matter abt how much u buy in bulk it matters abt exp which we pak air force have boie.
zagahaga 2 years ago
rafal hahah mirrage 2000 was not offered to pork and why would usa let gripen being sold to you when their f16 plant is oppen because no body wants it not even us pilots ,your uppgraded f16 are still out dated ...............................the best f 16 tilldate is f16in which we wont buy ..........we will buy somthing better than that.............
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
lol f 16 IN is not a regular f 16 its highly capeabel fighter better than block 50 52 and block 60 !! its called super viper........and f18 they only ghonnna giv u the boeing not the super hornet
zagahaga 2 years ago
zaga-actually we're being offered the F-18IN (equal to US naval E/F) Super Hornet. Its the only fighter in the tender with AESA radar plus this version has never been sold/offered to any other country. Short of getting the F-35, this is the best of the bunch in the competition.
transversa0 2 years ago
the teq in side the air craft might be the same the air frame ,hard points ,cappsity of the f18 is suppiour a true midium combat aircraft ,f16 is more a light combat air craft ,i mave seeit fly over my house its sick ,fighter of the past not the future aesa rader has been offered for f16/f18 grippn and mig35 only if the f 35 was in production
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
pf-agreed, that's why I'm for the F18. Ya man, wish the F35 was available already, its be so kickass-but it will be offered to India in the future. Too bad India couldn't have waited a few more years.
Trouble is China is back to its old tricks and India has only 1/3 the aircraft China has so they need new planes immediately.
I think India should work very hard to making more indigenous aircraft so we can be self-reliant and not at the mercy of western powers.
transversa0 2 years ago
along the airforce the navy should buy
su 30 mki at lest 100 ,and more miduem combat aircraft ,and lots of naval version tejus along with the harrier....jump jet
each su 30 can carry two bramos that means it can take out two ship from three hundred km.............with the bramos with nuke warhead it can take out an entire battle fleet.......
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
definitely-India has awesome potential but its corrupt leftist leadership fails to use it fully sadly. But at least its coming along-I'm all for lca, mca, fgfa, as long as we can beat our main rivals and match western jets.
That'd be pretty awesome-right now there is no effective countermeasure for the supersonic brahmos.
Once we get our carriers, SSBNs, build a multi-layered BMD and get our ICBMs online, modernize the airforce/army/navy, India will be a real powerhouse-we're getting there.
transversa0 2 years ago
this can happen withen the next two three
years ,only problem like you said dum ,currupt ,stupied leadership with out balls
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
noo man harriers suck deyy too old if i where u u should get f-18 super hornets naval versions
zagahaga 2 years ago
harriers for the navy ,after the airforce has its 125 fighter orded than it will be the navys turn
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago
well f-16IN if u get it ull ge tthe f-35 also in da future soo i think u guys will be accuieing f-16IN AND F-18IN good luck ..... but we pak might have a counter measure fc-20 and j-11b or rafael or gripen
zagahaga 2 years ago
the f22 raptor is the best today fgfa is to confrent f22 what match is these chinese junk .......................
pakifucker999999999 2 years ago