wow keep preaching the truth Billy Crone u are so amazing i love hearing and listening to your sermons u have such a grate gift from God Holy Spirit Jesus Christ u are a mighty men of God Holy Spirit Jesus Christ yea i have got so much out of your teaching i have faith and a believing hart God Holy Spirit Jesus Christ is using u for grate things in the kingdom of God i have shared your amazing video teachings with me friends family members what u are doing has being such blessing to me Amen
"4 Some people CANNOT be broght back AGAIN to a changed life. They WERE ONCE in God light. They ENJOYED heaven`s gift, and they SHARED in Holy Spirit. 5 They FOUND out how good God`s word is, and they RECEIVED the powers of his new world. 6 And they FELL AWAY from Crist! It is NOT POSSIBLE to keep on BRINGING THEM BACK to a changed life AGAIN. For they are nailing the Son of God to a cross again and are shaming him in front of others.
hebrews 10 :26 to 27 is clear. you can lose your salvatiion by willfuly sinning and sinning and sinning. trying one's best not to sin is not works. can a professing christian man carry on an adulterous affair for years refuse to end and when he dies while having sex with his mistress expect to go to heaven?? it is one thing to sin on occasion while trying not to sin. it is another to sin and sin and say " God's grace will cover my sins so i will carry on sinning and not even try to stop"
What?Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have SEPARATED you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear.
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice... "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Mark 15:34 if God left His only Sun alone on the cross because of our sin (that was the hardest moment for Jesus ), how can sin have no negative effect on us?? sin is the only thing that can destroy our relationship with God!!!
@keeyk118b and Hebrews 6 and 10 arent directed at us but at the Hebrews who were almost becoming Christians but were tempted to return to Judaism.And Paul said to them in those letters that there is no other way, meaning Christ wont die second time for you,so come and trust him now.They werent even saved yet.
(1 Pet. 1:3-5) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (4) to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, (5) who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Dan Corner claims to have faith in Jesus, yet he does not believe that Jesus can keep believers saved 1 Peter 1:3-5, John 10:27-31..Romans 8:38-39 etc etc.
Dan cannot have ANY faith in Jesus as our defense attorney before God...1 John 2:1 ..as Dan says Peter, David, and others lost their salvation... SO Jesus in Dan's mind lost all those cases before God and those like Peter who lost salvation, had to get it back by works, by ReREPENTing.. NOT by Jesus our Lawyer {Avaocate} in God's court.
If a Christian is in bed with a whore committing adultery, and during the very act of intercourse a stray bullet from the gun of a drive-by shooter strikes him in the head and kills him instantly, will he go to heaven or hell?
If a Christian "forgive not every one his brother their trespasses" will he go to heaven or hell?
If a Christian "shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost" will he go to heaven or hell?
not saved by works means you do not have to bulid large temples donate vast monies or perform physically demanding riutals , bring thousands to christ. trying one best not to sin is not works!hebrews 6:2to29 is crystal clear. willfully continuing to sin = salvation lost. can a married christian man carry on an adulterous affair for years refuse to end it despite warnings and when he dies while having having sex with his mistress expect to be in heaven??
@keeyk118b "Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith APART FROM WORKS OF THE LAW." Romans 3:27-28
It say 'works of the law', that means the 10 Commandments and all the commandments that follow it. Hebrews 6:2-29 is actually not all that clear, it's one of the most debated passages in scripture. Romans 8, however, is crystal clear and I would suggest people read it.
@Altonahk Incorrect. "Works of the law" does not refer to the law of Moses at all. It refers to the legal traditions of men above and beyond the law and the prophets. There is clear evidence for this in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Search Google "works of the law dead sea scrolls"
"Once saved always saved" is a lazy man doctrine and is false. A person can be saved from their sins and then turn from God (Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26-29; 2 Peter 2:2-22).
Another fast talking jolly false teacher. Read the two articles herewww.ipertisalithias.gr/page5.htmland pass it on. May God keep you in His truth.
"For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God." (Romans 10:3) Eternal life is eternal, or else God would have called it, "eternal life, if you do good works and obey me"
This pastor is a false teacher. Father Yahuah sent His Son, Yahusha Ha'Mashiach to die for our sins. But Yahusha WARNED that we MUST endure to the end. Hell is a place for LIARS!
@Vainslain Thats a works salvation which cannot save,Ephesians2:8-9 is clear,SAVED BY GRACE,Nothing of ourselves.Salvation is different than ones walk with the Lord.
@Snoopy4406 Just because i believe one can lose his salvation doesn't mean it is work salvation. I believe we can lose it because of biblical grounds. Dont you know that the ephesian christians are also told that they wont inherit the kingdom of God if they delve in immorality? Eph. 5:5-7. True Grace tell us to say "no to ungodliness" titus. 2:11-12
@Vainslain Where do you see that these are saved people? In the verses you gave,where do you see they are saved?Looking at these verses I would say these are NOT saved people Paul is telling us about.In Titus where do you see salvation can be lost in the verses you gave?In fact show me the verses that say SALVATION CAN BE LOST IF? How does a person get UNBORN again?If you say you know Christians who do the sins you put in scriptures I would hope you are not of them.
@Snoopy4406 How do i know those people in the verse i gave are saved? Well paul address them as "saints" and "believers", "who has faith in Christ", "fellow citizen in God's household" in ephesians 1,1:15; 2:19. Would paul call them like that if they were not saved? They are the same people to whom the warning of "not inheriting the kingdom" was given IF THEY partake in sinful activities. In Titus i simply state what true Grace is all about
@Vainslain If Jesus says In John 19:30,It is finished. Can YOU or I add to this.Wasnt it ALL of Christ doings to save us?This is what I mean by Gods grace.We (YOU & I) had nothing to do with this.It was all Gods doing to redeem man.Through his only son.So Gods saving grace,How can salvation be lost? Why get saved if you can still end up in hell? Makes no sense. Refute Romans 5:9-11.
@Snoopy4406 The finished work of christ has nothing to do with believer's security. For instance the writer in hebrew believe in finish work of christ in Heb 7:27; 9:26; 10:11-14 BUT at the same time he wrote this: Heb 3:12;-14; 6:4-6; 10:26-31! Same goes with paul: Rom 6:10; THEN he also wrote this 8:13; Gal 5:19-21; 1 Tim 3:6; 2 Tim 2:12. Read them all pls
@Vainslain Reading all these verses you looked up is clear you do not know how to rightly divide the word of God.The book of Hebrews is a future book written to the Jews not written to the Church. Books written to the Church and we are to Apply them to us are books from Romans-Pfilemon.Books after Philemon are future books written to the Jews.God is Dispensations,Ages.So breaking Gods word down rightly dividing it makes more sense.We are in the AGE OF GENTILES.Once this ends,(cont)
@Hunter8074 Please specify what you mean. I sure know the book of Hebrew is written to the jews. But in what way i err in understanding the word with regards to christ sacrifice for our sins and the believer's security under this or that dispensation. What this got to do with possibility of ones losing their salvation or having salvation for that matter. So what is the difference. Pls specify and not generalize
@Vainslain When a person gets saved their sins are judged at the cross.Being born again and ones walk with God AFTER they are born again are two different events.A person cannot get unborn once saved.Romans5:9 from Snoop is of many verses that say we are justified by the Blood of Christ.If I am Justified by the Blood of Christ and saved by Christ,How is salvation lost?Its not not based on how or what you do.Its based on what Christ and God did for you.Hence,Saved by Grace.
@Hunter8074 I agree that a person is saved on the spot and Christ blood covered our sins when we put our faith in him. I fully understand this truth. But i differ in many ways from here. First i believe Salvation is REALLY an ongoing process in the life of a christian. Eternal life will always be eternal but the Possesion of it is different. How??? Well Becos eternal life was ALSO promised for the future not just when you first believed! Mk 10:30; Rom 2:7; Gal 6:8,9; Titus 3:7 Jude 21...
@Vainslain I see it like you . But I think salvation is being born again. And Now you no longer walk TO the CROSS,We walk from the cross now that we are saved.Our walk is important.How so,We put off the old nature and put on the new right?Why serve God and choose to sin? First of all who wants to live a life of being convicted all the time being in sin?
@Hunter8074 I also believe that salvation is being born again. It's the same with getting saved or believing in jesus Jn 3:3,15-18. You ask why serve God and choose to sin and adds who wants to live a life being convicted all the time? Because sin still has a great PULL on christians otherwise the epistles wont be written to straighten out the church. Also Pls read Heb 12:1-12 on this matter
@Vainslain i am well verse in these passages.I do agree with you on salvation being an on going the whole time we are on earth.I love the book of Hebrews.I have studied it many times.I know sin is still in my members but I can also confess my sins to God who for one will NEVER throw them in my face like a man would do.He forgives my sin.Oh yea,He scolds me when I am OUTSIDE his will.Yea I hate getting spanked!Trust me on this! LOL.
@Hunter8074 Yea these spanking serves to get us back on the line and no one finds it really cool. God's hand can be hard sometimes. But it's very loving and kinda like a reality check. He could snuff your life just like that but he gives us many chance to change cos he really means business. I'm reminded not to abuse his sacrifice. Heb 10:26 is a strong indication of that
@Hunter8074 I know your assurance is based on your past moment of faith. Mine is on present tense believing. Jn 6:47 says he who believes has everlasting life. In greek 'believes' is present tense! I cant stress this enuf. In 1john 5:12 it says he who has the son has life; he who does not HAVE the son of God does not HAVE life. For you you exhibit present tense believing even when you anchor your assurance in the past when you got saved
@Vainslain Have you heard of Dispensations and AGES? This is how I was taught.Not all books in the Bible are written to the Church.Take the 4 Gospels.Are they to the Church? No,Matthew10:5-6.We are in the grace age right?
@Hunter8074 The 4 Gospels were made AFTER the events. Historically they were written TO the church. Mattw for jewish christians, Mark for gentile roman believers, Luke for an individual christian and greek christians. John to the general believers. Matt 10:5 is a past record saying jesus wants his msg to go to the jews first because the LAW was still binding then, but after that- the world Matt 24:14
@Hunter8074 I did mention we are in the age of Grace. Simply because we no longer under the OT laws. The epistles, to whom paul write those warnings of not inheriting the kingdom, what age is that? Grace right? How about the Book of Hebrews? Cant be before or during christ ministry. Same Grace period! Yet carry similar warnings like in the epistles. So no matter what dispensation you believe those warning still exist
@Vainslain No I dont believe this here.Books written after Philemon are future books to come with one exception,Revelation.The first 3 chapters are to the church.Hebrews is a future book written to the Jews.It would contridict Pauls Epistles.This is how I was taught. Yes 2 Tim3:16 is for ALL scripture but what Books are to the Church.These are the books,Romans-Philemon.And yes I was told a few times about how and who the Gospels are written to.
@Vainslain Glad we agree on the Grace age.I am most impressed with your knowledge of the Bible.Where and who did you study from?I am blown away by it.I enjoy this conversation more then you will ever know.Fran,I am being very serious here.How did you know about the Gospels? do you own a Charles Ryrie study bible?Question to you.I want to see if you can answer this,Look at Ezekiel18:4 and verse 20 as well.The Soul that sinneth,It shall die. Whats he saying here?
@Hunter8074 Thanks.. and take your time brother. God bless too. Perhaps we can talk something else next time...Like prophecy? Particularly who is the new antichrist? Lol!! this topic has been hot lately :)
@Hunter8074 Thanks. I dont carry much knowledge on other issues, but i made a strong stand years ago on this topic so i have a fair take on it. If anything i've learn from some teachers is the idea of letting the bible speak for itself and the rule of 'scripture interpreting scripture' and the saying that if the verse make sense then seek no other sense. Simple but powerful. I got to know the gospels gradually from different sources
@Vainslain I agree with you 100 percent! I know pretty much very little about worldly things but I study very much the Bible.I would love to know the Greek and Hebrew text.
@Hunter8074 I'm not really heavy in discussing systematic theology. I did learn a lot from the works of both persuasion. They are all sound in some areas. although i realized that one camp rely too much on traditions when it comes to salvation. Too much filtering in my opinion when explaining simple passage. No i dont own study bible. I just rely online if i want to see commentaries and dictionaries just to crosscheck. It's free anyway lol
@Vainslain Growing up Roman Catholic I learned a great deal of traditions! LOL!Pretty much NOTHING else.Yea I agree lets talk about end times.I like to compare notes with others.Snoop has tons of Good stuff on end times but hes not on as much as I would like.Hes only on when hes chatting with his boys or girls.Anyways I think we are in the last days.I do not think we are in the tribulation yet.
@Hunter8074 Yeah i used to be a roman catholic too. But i wanna know what ur your position regarding the rapture? How about the beast? U think he's from eu or islam? I believe we only have less than 20 yrs before he comes. One of the reason why is that the preaching of the gospel of the kingdom to every tribe is almost complete. Study says almost all ethnic tribes on earth has been reached with the gospel. Only few remain . I think we can talk about this in one of his videos
@Vainslain Im a PRE-TRIB man.Heres why.Looking at Matthew 24,Who is Jesus talking to? The nation of Israel right? So this cannot be the Church.So I take Matt 24 as a warning but do not apply it to the Church.I think when rightly dividing Gods word you can see it better.Whats your take on it?I think we are much closer then 20 years.They are starting to print a one world money system but cannot decide on how it should look.Anti Christ I think will be a Roman,Like as in Pope!
@Hunter8074 I hate to bust in here, my friend:)...especially since you haven't been feeling well, but you guys are kind of missing the point of Matthew 24. It's easily understood in history. Have you ever read Josephus "Wars of the Jews"? Look at the context of that chapter. Jesus left the temple and was walking away, the disciples called his attention to the buildings. Jesus tells them what will be happening to those buildings at the coming judgment on Israel. Cont...
The disciples ask him when this will happen, and what will be the sign of his coming, and the end of the age. That would be the end of the age of the Mosaic Law, not the end of the world. The end of the Mosaic Law didn't happen at the cross...the sacrifice was made, he hadn't gone yet to perform the duties of the priest in presenting it even.The temple wasn't destroyed for another 40 years...a generation away. Notice "this generation will certainly not pass away..." Cont...
That isn't the generation at the end of the world, that is the generation they were living in. All these
things he foretold came to pass just as he said they would. In the meantime, even the Jewish Christians still practiced the Jewish Mosaic Law. That dynamic was in place, with both covenants so to speak, during that time. But the New Covenant could not be put into place until the Old Covenant was done away with...cont...
which happened at his coming "on the clouds" (an old testament study on the meaning of this is very helpful) in judgment on Jerusalem. The reason I mention Josephus' book...he was an eyewitness to the event, and even though he tends to probably exaggerate about his own exploits (who knows?) he does give us a historical view of what happened.
Including a mother eating her son because the famine was so bad, and the abomination that causes desolation. His description was accurate enough that the Jewish Christians recognized it, and were able to flee Jerusalem just in time to Pella, where they stayed in caves during the siege. In the end, the temple was
destroyed, and the Roman soldiers bowed down to the symbol on their staffs...an eagle representing Nero. I can present many through history who understood this.
It wouldn't have been Nero at the time, since Nero had committed suicide by this time, but it represented the Roman emperor, who set himself up as their god. Sorry I misspoke that.
@TheLawFulfilled2 John 16:12-15 12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you
@TheLawFulfilled2 Yes I am Thank You. Enough to tell you what the Word Of God says. Listen to the Sermon. It's The Word Of God and if you reject it you reject God. Who's Josephus? Is Josephus from the Word Of God? NO! sure isn't. Therefore I just told you the truth because anyone who rejects this message rejects God and Jesus which makes you a what? According to The Word Of God a fool. You know nothing about the Love of Christ for you do not know Christ.
@Evangelist7777 The sermon is the Word of God? I don't think so, it's the word of a man...likely a Pharisee type. I can reject any teaching that isn't true, I don't have to take your word for it, there's plenty of people spreading all sorts of disinformation about Christ on youtube especially. So, how is it love to go around calling people idiots because you don't agree with them? Scripture says you're in danger of hellfire calling people fools and idiots, yet you didn't hesitate.
So what exactly didn't you understand when the Lord said all those things would come to pass before that generation passed away? How do you not understand that he was talking about the destruction of the temple when he was saying not one brick would be left on another? How do you not understand the end of the Mosaic age and the passing of the torch that he was talking about here, if you know your scriptures like you say you do?
@TheLawFulfilled2 Better read that scripture again. It says if you call your brother a fool you are in danger of Hell Fire. Your noy my brother you do the works of your Father the devil.Matthew 5:22 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.
@Evangelist7777 Wow. I'd laugh but this is sad. 1) You don't have a clue about my works if you're judging me from my doctrine and beliefs. Jesus is my Lord, so if I'm not your brother than who are you? 2) God desires that EVERY man be saved, so whether they are or not, you are to show the love of God to them ALL...that is the entire purpose of His people while they are here. So because I hold Preterist understandings of scripture, how exactly does that make me of the devil?
@Evangelist7777 "You are not my brother, so this doesn't apply to me." What kind of logic is this? Why not say, "You are not my brother, so I can be as mean and cruel as I want to you." What ever happened to "Love your enemy?"
@Vainslain Hey if you wanna bust on Snoop,Just ask him how his Pats are doing in the Playoffs! Tell him you are a Jets fan! LOL. Im now laughing my head off.I think anti christ will be a Roman and yes I think hes here but not in power.I think he CANNOT come to power untill after the Rapture.Mind if I put it in a PM and send you why?
@Hunter8074 Actually the whole ezekiel 18 is very telling about the possibility of righteous falling to spiritual death. This was reiterated as well on Ezekiel 33:12-20. And If thats not enough Romans 8:13 and Gal 6:8 parellels ezekiel's! Please Check it out! A BIG indication that God never change his mind about the conditional security of the righteous
@Hunter8074 To add to this comment about ezekiel 18; 33:12-20 and Romans 8:13 the objections that it's only a physical death can be dismantled by the fact that BOTH righteous and unrighteous will die physically anyway, same in the case of Romans 8:13: the christians and unsaved will eventually die physicaly so the word 'die' cant be refering to physical death but spiritual death
@Vainslain I found and look on my channel its a reference to the fall of Adam and Eve.Question,Its just what you might think,If ,ok,re word it.They had NOT sinned till they ate the fruit right? So would that make them immortal? Once they ate the fruit they became mortal right? Noting to make them sick,no cancer,no pain as we know it?
@Hunter8074 I havent yet study this issue of whether adam and eve were immortal before they sinned. We believe they are. But some say they were really created mortals but minus the curse and suffering. I find it interesting and would love to chew on this one. It's a big issue in itself. But we know the facts right? Sin entered and death came. Regardless if mortality was one them spiritual death definitely was brought forth
@Vainslain My question to you on this subject is just to see if you had anything on it.My bible is opened to Romans 5.Start in verse 12 and finish the Chapter.Thats if you arent sure of it.You will see what I mean.It goes to what you are saying.I think the later part of your statement is true.As sin entered in they fell from Grace.Yes We both know the facts,lol.Yea I would say you know them well.But in Eze 18,:4 and 20 this is what I think hes talking about.
@Vainslain I'm still digging the truth about these nephilim. Yeah, what we know about them and the Sons of god that came down were based on Genesis 6:4 and also in the book of Enoch. I think these group of angels are the same ones reffered to in jude 6. These stories are historically Interesting but not much of a big deal. I chose to put the video in my channel cuz it has good music intro that i feel match the background :)
@Vainslain Hey Brother,Sorry and forgive me,I had a relaps of some form of flu.It put me down since we last talked.I never read the book of Enoch.But I have studied Gen6:4-6 and found it a bad road to go down for me that is.My mind started wondering and you know why.It was hard to get away from that type of studying,for me it was.It grabbed ahold of me like my pit and wouldnt let go.Ya it was scary.Thats another reason why I stay away from other books.
@Hunter8074 Cont... 2nd The word "believes" in John 3:16 and other places in the bible that has to do with salvation is actually a continous tense in greek. Study it and you will be suprised. 3rd Only our past sins were forgiven when we got saved 2 Pet 1:9; Col 2:13; 2. Our future sins are not automatically forgiven. Thats why Math 6:14,15 made sense.
@Hunter8074 Cont.... 4th Works by biblical definition is connected to the obedience to the mosaic laws (Gal 5:1-4) NOT to the moral aspect of the commands. Thats why you see Paul preaching Grace and at the same time often warns christians to DO something like avoiding immorality or they will miss heaven!! Gal 5:19-21; Eph 5:5-7. We are not under the law BUT we still are not permitted to steal, get drunk or be sexual immoral! Holy living is not optional even in the age of Grace
@Vainslain Heres how I see works.And you may or may not agree.I have faith in Christ to save me. With that faith,I will have works. The more I mature from a babe in Christ the more works I will have.I love the Lord and choose to serve him.In doing so I have works.This is not a works salvation,Its based on my Faith on Christ.
@Hunter8074 You are referring to the "good works" done thru faith in jesus Eph 2:10 compare to the "works" thru the mosaic law spoken by paul Rom 3:21-24; 28 to which we refer as being Work Salvation people get confused from. There is no work salvation when one believes that salvation can be lost. It's never a work salvation when paul warns us of not inheriting the kingdom if we commit immoralities? Eph 5:5-7; Gal 5:19-21
@Vainslain The works I am saying is out of love to God the Father and Jesus Christ.I look at it like this,I am eternally secure,Therefore I do not worry about my salvation.I worry when I see a person when being led by the Holy Spirit to witness to that person.My main goal sense I been saved is to soul win. Thats the most important thing in my life now.But my works are simply out of love for God for he loved me first.Try this,Look at King David.Did he ever fall from Grace?
@Hunter8074 Yes i understand, the works you display is out of love for God, a gratitude to what he has done. I share that too. I dont worry about my salvation either esp when i'm remaining IN christ and not straying away from him. Again that isn't work salvation. Work salvation always refers to the obedience to the mosaic law
@Hunter8074 About David he commited geievous sin and live unrepentant for at least 9 months. The question is not whether he repents later but whether he is still SAVED in those sinful period. Remember he commited a bible define sins condemn even in paul's writting 1Cor 6:9. If you say yes then your belief unwittingly allows wickedness in Grace and thats licence to sin Jude 1:4. There can be no other
@Vainslain Ok,Its my turn,Now go read Hebrews 12,lol.Heres why.Did God walk away from David?Did God Change his feelings for what David did?Or Did God act like a Father to him and Punish him for the sin he did?David was not cast away from him.I see your point you are saying but its like,Im saved now but if I sin Im not saved.It doesnt work that way,Maybe I misunderstood you.Rephrase it another way so I can understand it.I do not look for a way for sin to stay in my life.
@Hunter8074 Remember when i told you about God's dicipline in Heb 12 that i'm reminded Not to abuse his sacrifice anymore? I then point to you Hebrew 10:26. Have you read that? Because that passage say that if WE KEEP ON SINNING there will be NO MORE sacrifices left but only a FEARFUL judgment that will consume us. If our persistent sins caught us til death then this words holds true
@Hunter8074 No brother,i dont think you look for way to sin in your life. What i mean is when a saved person start to live a life of sin (esp when that sin leads to spiritual death 1Jn 5:16,17, like Sins that bar us from the kingdom and rob us of eternl life- 1Cor 6:9;1; 1Jn 3:15, like the ones king david was guilty of Adultery/Murder) .. AND you believe that they are still SAVED then it's not Grace. Thats a false Grace which Jude 1:4 is talking about. Pls read it
@Hunter8074 About Adoptiom ' 'Huiothesia' It's not an 'action' the way we understood it. It is NOT synonymous with salvation (entrance into the family). Adoption is the Right of a son. Adoption is the "inheritance", "promise", or "reward" that the son receives as an heir. In other words full adoption can be recieved after death! It still not done yet. See Romans 8:23 it speaks of believers who WAIT for their adoption.
@Snoopy4406 There's nothing to refute in Romans 5:9-11 because it says nothing about being reconciled with jesus blood even under gross sins. You also ask why get saved if we can still end up in Hell? It's becos there's a possibility? otherwise there's no point of Paul's drawing conclusion of the consequence of these type of sinning 1 Cor 6:9; Eph 5:5-7; Gal 5:19-21
@Vainslain How can you say theres no justification by Christ blood in Romans 5:9?Was I justified before I Got saved? No,I was a enemy of God.I was alive to sin.But accepting Christ as my savior I am now dead to sin seeing I died like Christ and I now live because he lives in me.So by Christ work on the cross how am I not Justified by his death?Cant wait to see how snoop responds to this. I would say study Roman adoption Romans8:14-17.
@Hunter8074 Please read carefully my response to snoop. I didn't say there's no justification by christ blood. I'm contending that one can lose his salvation if he strays to sins mention in Ephesian 5-5-7; Gal 5:19-21. Snoop just throw Romans 5:9 for me to refute. And i dont find anything there to refute. I understand the passage but has nothing to do with i'm saying
@Vainslain How can you say theres nothing to reconcile With Christ Blood?Either you are saved or you are not.Did Christ work on the cross save us or not?Did he pay the sin debt in full or was it half paid?I really do not think you know what the Blood of Christ is.If you did you would know we are eternally secure.Ephesians1:7,In whom we have redemption through his BLOOD ,The forgiveness OF SINS, according TO THE RICHES OF HIS GRACE.So hows salvation lost?
@Vainslain What part of this verse do you not get?2 Cor 12:9And he said unto me,My grace is sufficient for thee;for my strength is made perfect in weakness, What part are you not getting?You are saved by GODS GRACE nothing of yourself.By saying God cant keep you eternally secure Jesus work on the cross is not finished.What sin is not covered by Christ blood?
@Snoopy4406 2 Cor 12:9 is talking about Paul's thorn NOT salvation so it doesn't refute my case. The bible told me i'm saved by grace but the bible also told me to "persist in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life." (Rom 2:7)● Bear good fruit or get thrown into the fire (Jn. 15:6; Mt. 7:19; 3:10).● Sow to please the Spirit to reap eternal life (Gal. 6:8).● Stand firm through hatred to the end to be saved (Mt. 10:22)
@Vainslain Yes I would agree but at the same time you are saying hes ONLY talking to Paul?I would not agree with just Paul.Heres why.You and I are still in our human bodies. Are we not?So we are weak being in these bodies.So is NOT Jesus Grace still sufficient for us? i am not saying at any time its ok to sin,I do not EVER try to justify sin in my life or another persons life.I look at the Bible and see we are weak even though we are saved.
@Snoopy4406 But this is a missaplication of verse. From God's Grace being sufficient to Paul's suffering to God's Grace sufficiency in covering up for our weakness to sin! That is no grace but licence to sin Jude 1:4 I know you dont justify sin but your belief unwittingly allows it. You dont see Grace teacher Paul believing that. In fact he beat his body to make it his slave 1 Cor 9:27
If a Christian can lose their salvation then I'll be first in line because I've done more to disrespect God more than any other believer in the history of the world
Right off the bat you can see this guy is a loud mouth egotistical snake oil salesman. I never saw Jesus depicted as a slick obnoxious con man. I got a headache after 6 minutes of his hyper yelling and condescending attitude towards the congregation.
Everything about his demeanor says I’m in love with myself, I can talk so good.
There eating out of my hand. Oh and if your not a hyper loud mouth ass like me for Jesus then your not HOT and he will spit you out of his mouth.
Great vid it seems that very few grasp the truth that salvation is through one person & one person only ( JESUS ) . Also that once you have salvation you can not loose it in any way shape or form ie: (1 John 5:13) (John 5:24) (John 1:12,13) (Hebrews 10:10,14) Hebrews 7:25: (1 John 2:1-2) John 6:37 "The one who comes to me I will certainly NOT cast out !!! Jn.10:27-30: I give unto them ETERNAL life, & NEVER PERISH. Rom 6:23 gift of God is ETERNAL, Heb.5:9:, 2 Timothy 2:13 .
@pisbond Did you actually listen to the pastors vid or have you just clicked onto it to make your comment. With what you have said I would surmise its the latter, as if you had have watched these 4 vids its all covered & covered using nothing but the Bible. I would watch them if I was you, you may well learn something.
There are a lot of scriptures which seems to say that you can lose your salvation. One example is the parable of the 10 virgins.
I personally think it is dangerous to teach OSAS because there are a lot of scriptures which seem to contradict it. People should live as if you can lose your salvation. It's better safe than sorry.
I do believe in eternal security. On the other hand, I often think both Salvation losing has the same goal as eternal security. Most see grace as an occasion to sin and take advantage of God's grace while those of us who disagree see adding works to grace. For whatever reason-I think many have the same goal but a different way to understand-salvation from sin by the blood of Christ.
This is the danger of the easy apeasement preachin. Its not the Gospel, but simply the easy non-offending message of apeasement. Many preachers today are more concerned with large crowds, than they are with the souls of men.
The TV evangelist, preaching about the benefits of money, instead of consecration. Now the young studs are trying to get on TV jut like the Copelands, and the Creflos, becuase it seemed to worked so well for them.
@signalcorp4 ok first of all idk what listening to metallica has to do with anything. second the reason why I dont go to "church" anymore is because of all the bull crap they teach. prosperity gospel, losing salvation etc. Church is waking up every Sunday at 8 AM and sitting in pews listening to a preacher teach. The church is the people and being around ppl who help you with your walk with God. I've found that small Bibles studies are 10x more beneficial then "church" today.
I liked the hiss when the cross came up, reminds me of Revelation 3:9.
Everyone gets saved, this is the good news, Yay, but (spooky organ music) would you like to be a good boy doing Christ works in this world, or would you like a backpackers hostel in the next?
I'm heading for a castle next to a beautiful river with peacocks, and pomegranates, and bananas. Oh! and don't forget the blueberry muffins. mmmmm Blueberry muffins.
i've seen enough, the bible says those who are of God sinneth not or do not make practice of sinning in two translations his love endures forever but we can walk away from it an sin serparates us which is walking away. salvation cannot be lost, but we can walk away from it or reject it (if a man is in the ocean and a raft is thrown to his, but as he get closer to the boat he pops the raft and is stuck in the water, no one stop loving him he just rejected it by his actions)
this church is the prime example of what God warned would manifest ..sounds very similar to calvinism ,,seminary infiltrated satanism. no-one wants to hear the truth just like these people in this church are the ones who thru stones at Jesus on his walk with the cross ..Judas was legit in the beginning but fell away as hebrews warns yet he didnt repent & the rest is history..i was raised on this crone preaching but found after the years of indoctrination having the ears to come out of the lie.
Read what Jesus said to the church of Samaria in Revelation 3:5.... Then, re-think of this doctrine. I truly love and appreciate Billye Crone, but I totally disagree with this doctrine. Too many Scriptures go against it..
counterfeits? what about Simon the sorcerer in Acts 8? He was saved, the passage clearly says he was. And the passage clearly states he lost it and how he can regain it.
Saint Paul saith that if the saved recieve circumcision, they are "severed from Christ, fallen from grace". -How much more can be said on the subject?
Hebrews 6:11 We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure. Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,, but only a fearful expectation of judgement and of a raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Jo 16:33 In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.
@signalcorp4 Ur taking all these verses out of context. Hebrews 10:26 is saying that if u keep on sinning after knowing that something is wrong, then you will lose those rewards in heaven. Everyone is going to b judged for what they have done. But the wrong we do in this life after we are saved don't send us to hell.
@thatkidwithADHD No your trying to put new words in Gods mouth. The greasy grace slope trys to imply that you dont have to REPENT of your sins. The Bible says come out form among them, and "I am Holy, therefore be ye Holy". Christ calls all to repent from thier sin, not just confess one time Once saved always saved.
We have been given the Holy Spirit to be OVERCOMERS, not under acheivers. Christ said" I have overcome the world, and you will to throught long suffering.
@thatkidwithADHD Your espousing a do nothing gospel, which is nothing to do with God or his Holy word. The operative word is OBEDIENCE. Otherwise the work that Christ completed on the cross would become cheap and unnecessary. The only thing eternally secure is Gods word and his glory. We are falliable sinfull men, in need of repentance and a regenerating work on going in our lives to complete us. He that endures to the end shall be saved. Matt 10:22
@signalcorp4 That verse in matthew is irrelevant to today because this was something that was said BEFORE Jesus died on the cross. so that verse shouldnt even b mentioned. where in the Bible does it say that I have to believe AND do good works to b saved. Did u even read the verse I put out. NOT BY WORKS so that no one can boast. If i can do things to earn salvation then I can also do things to lose it. but that wouldnt make salvation a gift then would it?
@thatkidwithADHD I know that you dont really like the word but I give you some scrpt.
Ez 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damed. KJV
Is 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth; but the word of our God shall stand forever.
@signalcorp4 You are calling Jesus death on the cross a lie because he died FOR our sins. there was no way that we could save ourself. so you're faith by works teaching is crap and you ARE calling God a liar wether u see it or not. Salvation IS a gift and you dont take back gifts that you give to someone. once they accept it its theirs.
@thatkidwithADHD More? 2 chor. 2:9 For to this end also did I write , that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.
Jesus said; Mat 10:38 He that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me is not worthy of me.]
Ro 6:1,3 What shll we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
@signalcorp4 what does the verse in 2 chor have to do with this? another mat verse. r u even listening to anything im saying? the Romans verse doesnt say that you lose salvation. And I love the word. I however hate when people take the verses out of context such as you are doing. not to mention u threw in verses that arent even related. Answer me this question. what is your defenition of being saved?
@thatkidwithADHD You may very well be in the crowd that believes that you can go out and commit a multitude of sins and then waltz right into Heaven. That is completely contrary to any Bible doctrine. You have to endure to the end in order to be saved Mat 10:22. I give you these sciptures that help define Gods stance on salvation and running the race and the good fight. Jesus wouldnt have told us to endure and to be overcomers, unless that is what he meant.
@signalcorp4 alright dude here is where the problem is. All those verses that u just gave me are things that jesus said BEFORE he died on the cross. the Acts verse......how does that even apply to this? He had not paid the price for our sins yet and during that time people were under law. this is a concept that you dont seem to under stand so let me help u understand better. Before Jesus death: people were judged under the law. After Jesus died: salvation by faith.
@thatkidwithADHD You just defined your problem exactly. You dont believe. You dont believe that Gods word is usful for correction and that it will lead us unto righteousness. You dont believe that Gods word is forever settled in Heaven. You dont believe that all the scriptures that i just laid out or relevant for the modern church today. Jesus said, He would rather we be hot or cold, if we were lukewarm he would spit us out. The Bible is a completed writing.
@signalcorp4 I have the problem? you are the one who just completely overlooked everything I just said and instead of adressing my points you attacked what you think is wrong with me. While I can think of 2 or 3 different things that the verses you gave me mean u cant even come up with 1 for the 1 simple verse I sent you. And your outlook on being saved is mere opinion. give me one verse that backs up your defenition of being saved.
@signalcorp4 so with that in mind let me use a verse that is "up to date" for lack of a better term. Ephesians 2:8-9 "for it is by grace that you have been saved through FAITH. and thay NOT of yourselves. it is the gift of God. NOT BY WORKS so that no man can boast." Not to mention the greek translation for when Jesus said "it is finished" was translated to "it is forgiven past present and future."so you are calling God a liar. =/ just thought u might wanna know that
@thatkidwithADHD This is the second time you have used this one scripture to back up the philosophy of greasy grace. Jesus commanded all men to Repent. Follow peace with all men and holiness, without which, no man will see the Kingdom. These are not optional commandments. Christ expects everyone that has an adult mind to adhere to, and follow the Bible always. If we do not, then we can fearfully expect a just reward. Hell is very real and will be filled with half hearted.
@signalcorp4 Alright so the word of God is grease therefore we should all just use logic comming from our sinful minds. thats basically what you just said. wow dude really? He gave us the ten commandments so that we would know right from wrong. And we broke them. Y do you think he sent his son? there was no way that we could keep the ten commendments so what makes now any different? if we get into heaven by doing good works, then y did Jesus die for us? answer that for me if you can.
@thatkidwithADHD You see what you just said here is that since Christ died upon the cross of Calvary, you no longer have to obey the Ten Commandments? You call yourself a son, but act like a bastard by refusing to follow the simple instructions that your Heavenly Father has asked of you.
I think that in CONCLUSION your denial of Gods Complete word as the devine instruction manual, is futile and immature. Endless questioning and geneologies. From such a person depart.
@signalcorp4 And when did I ever say that I didnt obey God? And we have free will. When ur parents asked you to do thing did u ALWAYS obey them or did you u disobey sometimes? we break the fellowship with God and lose blessings when we sin but we do NOT lose our salvation. Wether you see it or not you ARE calling God a liar when you say you can lose your salvation. Give me those verses if you dont think I can correctly interpret them.
@signalcorp4 and yes I do call myself a son. and I know that im not perfect but God still loves me and no matter what sin I commit I WILL go to heaven when I die. nice way to defend your position by calling names and making accusations you cant even back up. your stand point is pitiful. you are misinterpreting these verses. this is just mere speculation but I think that people who claim that you can lose your salvation go around telling people this because they feel....
@signalcorp4 unworthy and because they r mislead. you cant honestly in your right mind try and make the Bible meet ur agenda. look at ephesian 2:8-9 one more time and tell me that this verse doesnt explain all it takes to be saved. NOT BY WORKS but by faith. You still cant think of anything else that this verse is saying therefore it is as mentioned. works is something you do to please not. NOT to get into heaven
@thatkidwithADHD David your 21 years old and you like to listen to metallica. Your young and have a long road ahead of you. If you desire to learn more about the Bible I would suggest that you do so. Find a Bible based church, Full Bible, Open Bible, Pentecostal, or AG. One of these churches would begin to teach you how to begin to understand Gods word, and how to follow Christ. You have many years as a man ahead of you. Dont waste them with no Bible reading.
@thatkidwithADHD Luke 13:24 (Jesus speaking) Strive to enter at the strait gate: for many I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 26)Then shall ye begin to say, we have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught us in our streets. 27)But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28) There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see the kingdom of God and you yourselfs be thrust out.
@signalcorp4 and you arent even listening to anything I'm saying anymore so I'm not going to bother unless you are goin to actually adress my points. one of them being that any verse before Jesus died is law.You are saying that Jesus death on the cross was not enough. What sin is greater than the blood of the lamb? answer that. besides Luke13:24 is talking about people who claim to know Jesus JUST because they have partaken in things such as communion, going to church etc.
@signalcorp4 No where in that verse does it say that you lose salvation. I am actually 20, but dont you dare base my relationship with God off my age. Age has nothing to do with it. Look at Jesus. he was showing up elderly pastors as a child. My walk with God has been the best it's been so far and God told me that the loss of salvation is a lie and thats y im here today. I cant make you believe the truth because thats the conviction of God.
@thatkidwithADHD since you are going to b a child about this whole issue by calling my names, insulting my character, claiming things you cant prove with scripture, and ignoring my question I'm going to leave you with something.I question wether you really are saved and here is y. 1 Corinthians 1:18 "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."
@thatkidwithADHD I have been preaching the word of the cross many times in this argument and not only do u not agree with any of it, but you teach who God isnt. your view on salvation is very carnal. You ARE saying that Jesus death was not enough. You Are calling God a liar, and you ARE teaching a faith by works concept which is NOT Biblical. So by this verse I dont think you are saved. you dont acknowledge that Jesus paid the FULL PRICE for our sins. you might want to really think about is.
@signalcorp4 and since you are so eager to hear more bible verses heres another one for you to chew on. Galatians 4:4-7."But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those under the law, that we might recieve thef full rights of sons. Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his son into our hearts, the spirit who calls out "Abba, Father." So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir."
@thatkidwithADHD Can anyone claim this verse no matter how they live? Can a murderer, or homosexual, or a satanic follower claim this verse as proof that they are sons as well? You see you misunderstand the Biblical message. You have to ENDURE to the end of your LIFE in order to be saved from HELL and the second death. You have to follow Gods 10 commandments, and all of his Biblical directives for our lives in order to see the kingdom. Refusal or denial is death, not life.
@signalcorp4 I misunderstand. lol alright give me the verses that you are talking about and I'll tell you what they are saying. Cuz I know which verses you are talking about but they dont in any way say that you lose your salvation. and you are correct. people who refuse or deny Jesus will go to hell BECAUSE they have not accepted Jesus. But if I am already saved then that would b like your father denying you just because you denied him. that is NOT God's character and you know it
@signalcorp4 if your view on this is so correct then I dare you to back up what you are saying with scripture. something you still fail to do and I've already asked you twice
@thatkidwithADHD Being saved? Salvation to most churches nad doctrines, is a process. Many ministers have used that term over and over again. Even some of the name and claim it crowd.
A person sees the need to seek God, through the ministry of the Holy Ghost. Understanding that we are sinners, and we are in need of a savior Jesus Christ. Following all of Gods commandments for the duration of each persons life. Water baptism, Holy Spirit baptism. Jo 3:5, Act 2:39
Mr Crone,, I'm afraid laid his trap. A sinner cannot (1) loose his salvation, that he never had to begin with. (2)Only a person that had something, {salvation} could loose it, or be in fear of being without it. (3) A sinner cannot backslide, only one that has come to the knowledge of truth and has tasted salvation. Those that are lost, cannot be accused of departing from, or turning cold or luke warm. They are already condemmed, and lost in there trespasses.
If salvation is based on works,how did anyone receive it in the first place? For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Once a son always a son. My relationship may change because of behavior,but my Sonship never changes.
yes you can lose your salvation
danielefsot 2 months ago
wow keep preaching the truth Billy Crone u are so amazing i love hearing and listening to your sermons u have such a grate gift from God Holy Spirit Jesus Christ u are a mighty men of God Holy Spirit Jesus Christ yea i have got so much out of your teaching i have faith and a believing hart God Holy Spirit Jesus Christ is using u for grate things in the kingdom of God i have shared your amazing video teachings with me friends family members what u are doing has being such blessing to me Amen
Dale65378 3 months ago
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Dale65378 3 months ago
Hebrew 6:4-8
"4 Some people CANNOT be broght back AGAIN to a changed life. They WERE ONCE in God light. They ENJOYED heaven`s gift, and they SHARED in Holy Spirit. 5 They FOUND out how good God`s word is, and they RECEIVED the powers of his new world. 6 And they FELL AWAY from Crist! It is NOT POSSIBLE to keep on BRINGING THEM BACK to a changed life AGAIN. For they are nailing the Son of God to a cross again and are shaming him in front of others.
blackbk18 6 months ago
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Harold Camping was RIGHT about May 21, click on my channel to see...
youneekk 7 months ago
hebrews 10 :26 to 27 is clear. you can lose your salvatiion by willfuly sinning and sinning and sinning. trying one's best not to sin is not works. can a professing christian man carry on an adulterous affair for years refuse to end and when he dies while having sex with his mistress expect to go to heaven?? it is one thing to sin on occasion while trying not to sin. it is another to sin and sin and say " God's grace will cover my sins so i will carry on sinning and not even try to stop"
keeyk118b 7 months ago
@keeyk118b No.It doesnt talk about that.No sin can separate u from God.Look at Romans 8:38-39
MrUrosSrb 5 months ago
What?Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have SEPARATED you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear.
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice... "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Mark 15:34 if God left His only Sun alone on the cross because of our sin (that was the hardest moment for Jesus ), how can sin have no negative effect on us?? sin is the only thing that can destroy our relationship with God!!!
blackbk18 3 months ago
@MrUrosSrb BTW in Romans 8:38-39 it say nothing about the SIN!!
blackbk18 3 months ago
@keeyk118b and Hebrews 6 and 10 arent directed at us but at the Hebrews who were almost becoming Christians but were tempted to return to Judaism.And Paul said to them in those letters that there is no other way, meaning Christ wont die second time for you,so come and trust him now.They werent even saved yet.
MrUrosSrb 5 months ago
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(1 Pet. 1:3-5) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (4) to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, (5) who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
christisking21 8 months ago
Dan Corner claims to have faith in Jesus, yet he does not believe that Jesus can keep believers saved 1 Peter 1:3-5, John 10:27-31..Romans 8:38-39 etc etc.
Dan cannot have ANY faith in Jesus as our defense attorney before God...1 John 2:1 ..as Dan says Peter, David, and others lost their salvation... SO Jesus in Dan's mind lost all those cases before God and those like Peter who lost salvation, had to get it back by works, by ReREPENTing.. NOT by Jesus our Lawyer {Avaocate} in God's court.
ydnar0591 8 months ago
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If a Christian is in bed with a whore committing adultery, and during the very act of intercourse a stray bullet from the gun of a drive-by shooter strikes him in the head and kills him instantly, will he go to heaven or hell?
If a Christian "forgive not every one his brother their trespasses" will he go to heaven or hell?
If a Christian "shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost" will he go to heaven or hell?
wezand2 9 months ago
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Go and sin no more.
Holy2theName 9 months ago
not saved by works means you do not have to bulid large temples donate vast monies or perform physically demanding riutals , bring thousands to christ. trying one best not to sin is not works!hebrews 6:2to29 is crystal clear. willfully continuing to sin = salvation lost. can a married christian man carry on an adulterous affair for years refuse to end it despite warnings and when he dies while having having sex with his mistress expect to be in heaven??
keeyk118b 10 months ago
@keeyk118b "Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith APART FROM WORKS OF THE LAW." Romans 3:27-28
It say 'works of the law', that means the 10 Commandments and all the commandments that follow it. Hebrews 6:2-29 is actually not all that clear, it's one of the most debated passages in scripture. Romans 8, however, is crystal clear and I would suggest people read it.
Altonahk 10 months ago
@Altonahk Incorrect. "Works of the law" does not refer to the law of Moses at all. It refers to the legal traditions of men above and beyond the law and the prophets. There is clear evidence for this in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Search Google "works of the law dead sea scrolls"
Holy2theName 9 months ago
"Once saved always saved" is a lazy man doctrine and is false. A person can be saved from their sins and then turn from God (Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26-29; 2 Peter 2:2-22).
ChristopherMillz 11 months ago
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The ONLY Salvation Plan in God's Law Book, the Holy Bible:
1) Lord CHOOSES whom to save (Election), before Creation.
2) Lord GIVES the Elect a new, eternal soul (now 'born again'), sometime between conception and death.
3) Lord GIVES the Elect a new, eternal body, at the Rapture-May 21, 2011
WARNING: Man is passive in the Salvation process.
WitnessoftheTruth 11 months ago
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Another fast talking jolly false teacher. Read the two articles herewww.ipertisalithias.gr/page5.htmland pass it on. May God keep you in His truth.
outofthebox7 1 year ago
"For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God." (Romans 10:3) Eternal life is eternal, or else God would have called it, "eternal life, if you do good works and obey me"
disciplesofthecross 1 year ago
This pastor is a false teacher. Father Yahuah sent His Son, Yahusha Ha'Mashiach to die for our sins. But Yahusha WARNED that we MUST endure to the end. Hell is a place for LIARS!
Thanks for listening,
777denny
Killzonesblood 1 year ago
A believer who strays away can lose his salvation. As rightly points out Eternal life is eternal but the possession of it is not
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain Thats a works salvation which cannot save,Ephesians2:8-9 is clear,SAVED BY GRACE,Nothing of ourselves.Salvation is different than ones walk with the Lord.
Snoopy4406 1 year ago
@Snoopy4406 Just because i believe one can lose his salvation doesn't mean it is work salvation. I believe we can lose it because of biblical grounds. Dont you know that the ephesian christians are also told that they wont inherit the kingdom of God if they delve in immorality? Eph. 5:5-7. True Grace tell us to say "no to ungodliness" titus. 2:11-12
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain Where do you see that these are saved people? In the verses you gave,where do you see they are saved?Looking at these verses I would say these are NOT saved people Paul is telling us about.In Titus where do you see salvation can be lost in the verses you gave?In fact show me the verses that say SALVATION CAN BE LOST IF? How does a person get UNBORN again?If you say you know Christians who do the sins you put in scriptures I would hope you are not of them.
Snoopy4406 1 year ago
@Snoopy4406 How do i know those people in the verse i gave are saved? Well paul address them as "saints" and "believers", "who has faith in Christ", "fellow citizen in God's household" in ephesians 1,1:15; 2:19. Would paul call them like that if they were not saved? They are the same people to whom the warning of "not inheriting the kingdom" was given IF THEY partake in sinful activities. In Titus i simply state what true Grace is all about
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain If Jesus says In John 19:30,It is finished. Can YOU or I add to this.Wasnt it ALL of Christ doings to save us?This is what I mean by Gods grace.We (YOU & I) had nothing to do with this.It was all Gods doing to redeem man.Through his only son.So Gods saving grace,How can salvation be lost? Why get saved if you can still end up in hell? Makes no sense. Refute Romans 5:9-11.
Snoopy4406 1 year ago
@Snoopy4406 The finished work of christ has nothing to do with believer's security. For instance the writer in hebrew believe in finish work of christ in Heb 7:27; 9:26; 10:11-14 BUT at the same time he wrote this: Heb 3:12;-14; 6:4-6; 10:26-31! Same goes with paul: Rom 6:10; THEN he also wrote this 8:13; Gal 5:19-21; 1 Tim 3:6; 2 Tim 2:12. Read them all pls
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain Reading all these verses you looked up is clear you do not know how to rightly divide the word of God.The book of Hebrews is a future book written to the Jews not written to the Church. Books written to the Church and we are to Apply them to us are books from Romans-Pfilemon.Books after Philemon are future books written to the Jews.God is Dispensations,Ages.So breaking Gods word down rightly dividing it makes more sense.We are in the AGE OF GENTILES.Once this ends,(cont)
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 Please specify what you mean. I sure know the book of Hebrew is written to the jews. But in what way i err in understanding the word with regards to christ sacrifice for our sins and the believer's security under this or that dispensation. What this got to do with possibility of ones losing their salvation or having salvation for that matter. So what is the difference. Pls specify and not generalize
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain When a person gets saved their sins are judged at the cross.Being born again and ones walk with God AFTER they are born again are two different events.A person cannot get unborn once saved.Romans5:9 from Snoop is of many verses that say we are justified by the Blood of Christ.If I am Justified by the Blood of Christ and saved by Christ,How is salvation lost?Its not not based on how or what you do.Its based on what Christ and God did for you.Hence,Saved by Grace.
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 I agree that a person is saved on the spot and Christ blood covered our sins when we put our faith in him. I fully understand this truth. But i differ in many ways from here. First i believe Salvation is REALLY an ongoing process in the life of a christian. Eternal life will always be eternal but the Possesion of it is different. How??? Well Becos eternal life was ALSO promised for the future not just when you first believed! Mk 10:30; Rom 2:7; Gal 6:8,9; Titus 3:7 Jude 21...
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain I see it like you . But I think salvation is being born again. And Now you no longer walk TO the CROSS,We walk from the cross now that we are saved.Our walk is important.How so,We put off the old nature and put on the new right?Why serve God and choose to sin? First of all who wants to live a life of being convicted all the time being in sin?
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 I also believe that salvation is being born again. It's the same with getting saved or believing in jesus Jn 3:3,15-18. You ask why serve God and choose to sin and adds who wants to live a life being convicted all the time? Because sin still has a great PULL on christians otherwise the epistles wont be written to straighten out the church. Also Pls read Heb 12:1-12 on this matter
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain i am well verse in these passages.I do agree with you on salvation being an on going the whole time we are on earth.I love the book of Hebrews.I have studied it many times.I know sin is still in my members but I can also confess my sins to God who for one will NEVER throw them in my face like a man would do.He forgives my sin.Oh yea,He scolds me when I am OUTSIDE his will.Yea I hate getting spanked!Trust me on this! LOL.
Hunter8074 1 year ago
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@Hunter8074 Yea these spanking serves to get us back on the line and no one finds it really cool. God's hand can be hard sometimes. But it's very loving and kinda like a reality check. He could snuff your life just like that but he gives us many chance to change cos he really means business. I'm reminded not to abuse his sacrifice. Heb 10:26 is a strong indication of that
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 I know your assurance is based on your past moment of faith. Mine is on present tense believing. Jn 6:47 says he who believes has everlasting life. In greek 'believes' is present tense! I cant stress this enuf. In 1john 5:12 it says he who has the son has life; he who does not HAVE the son of God does not HAVE life. For you you exhibit present tense believing even when you anchor your assurance in the past when you got saved
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain Have you heard of Dispensations and AGES? This is how I was taught.Not all books in the Bible are written to the Church.Take the 4 Gospels.Are they to the Church? No,Matthew10:5-6.We are in the grace age right?
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 The 4 Gospels were made AFTER the events. Historically they were written TO the church. Mattw for jewish christians, Mark for gentile roman believers, Luke for an individual christian and greek christians. John to the general believers. Matt 10:5 is a past record saying jesus wants his msg to go to the jews first because the LAW was still binding then, but after that- the world Matt 24:14
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 I did mention we are in the age of Grace. Simply because we no longer under the OT laws. The epistles, to whom paul write those warnings of not inheriting the kingdom, what age is that? Grace right? How about the Book of Hebrews? Cant be before or during christ ministry. Same Grace period! Yet carry similar warnings like in the epistles. So no matter what dispensation you believe those warning still exist
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain No I dont believe this here.Books written after Philemon are future books to come with one exception,Revelation.The first 3 chapters are to the church.Hebrews is a future book written to the Jews.It would contridict Pauls Epistles.This is how I was taught. Yes 2 Tim3:16 is for ALL scripture but what Books are to the Church.These are the books,Romans-Philemon.And yes I was told a few times about how and who the Gospels are written to.
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Vainslain Glad we agree on the Grace age.I am most impressed with your knowledge of the Bible.Where and who did you study from?I am blown away by it.I enjoy this conversation more then you will ever know.Fran,I am being very serious here.How did you know about the Gospels? do you own a Charles Ryrie study bible?Question to you.I want to see if you can answer this,Look at Ezekiel18:4 and verse 20 as well.The Soul that sinneth,It shall die. Whats he saying here?
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 Thanks.. and take your time brother. God bless too. Perhaps we can talk something else next time...Like prophecy? Particularly who is the new antichrist? Lol!! this topic has been hot lately :)
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 Thanks. I dont carry much knowledge on other issues, but i made a strong stand years ago on this topic so i have a fair take on it. If anything i've learn from some teachers is the idea of letting the bible speak for itself and the rule of 'scripture interpreting scripture' and the saying that if the verse make sense then seek no other sense. Simple but powerful. I got to know the gospels gradually from different sources
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain I agree with you 100 percent! I know pretty much very little about worldly things but I study very much the Bible.I would love to know the Greek and Hebrew text.
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 Thanks for the reference. Brainout will be a great help if i have questions someday
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 I'm not really heavy in discussing systematic theology. I did learn a lot from the works of both persuasion. They are all sound in some areas. although i realized that one camp rely too much on traditions when it comes to salvation. Too much filtering in my opinion when explaining simple passage. No i dont own study bible. I just rely online if i want to see commentaries and dictionaries just to crosscheck. It's free anyway lol
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain Growing up Roman Catholic I learned a great deal of traditions! LOL!Pretty much NOTHING else.Yea I agree lets talk about end times.I like to compare notes with others.Snoop has tons of Good stuff on end times but hes not on as much as I would like.Hes only on when hes chatting with his boys or girls.Anyways I think we are in the last days.I do not think we are in the tribulation yet.
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 Yeah i used to be a roman catholic too. But i wanna know what ur your position regarding the rapture? How about the beast? U think he's from eu or islam? I believe we only have less than 20 yrs before he comes. One of the reason why is that the preaching of the gospel of the kingdom to every tribe is almost complete. Study says almost all ethnic tribes on earth has been reached with the gospel. Only few remain . I think we can talk about this in one of his videos
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain Im a PRE-TRIB man.Heres why.Looking at Matthew 24,Who is Jesus talking to? The nation of Israel right? So this cannot be the Church.So I take Matt 24 as a warning but do not apply it to the Church.I think when rightly dividing Gods word you can see it better.Whats your take on it?I think we are much closer then 20 years.They are starting to print a one world money system but cannot decide on how it should look.Anti Christ I think will be a Roman,Like as in Pope!
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 I hate to bust in here, my friend:)...especially since you haven't been feeling well, but you guys are kind of missing the point of Matthew 24. It's easily understood in history. Have you ever read Josephus "Wars of the Jews"? Look at the context of that chapter. Jesus left the temple and was walking away, the disciples called his attention to the buildings. Jesus tells them what will be happening to those buildings at the coming judgment on Israel. Cont...
TheLawFulfilled2 1 year ago
The disciples ask him when this will happen, and what will be the sign of his coming, and the end of the age. That would be the end of the age of the Mosaic Law, not the end of the world. The end of the Mosaic Law didn't happen at the cross...the sacrifice was made, he hadn't gone yet to perform the duties of the priest in presenting it even.The temple wasn't destroyed for another 40 years...a generation away. Notice "this generation will certainly not pass away..." Cont...
TheLawFulfilled2 1 year ago
That isn't the generation at the end of the world, that is the generation they were living in. All these
things he foretold came to pass just as he said they would. In the meantime, even the Jewish Christians still practiced the Jewish Mosaic Law. That dynamic was in place, with both covenants so to speak, during that time. But the New Covenant could not be put into place until the Old Covenant was done away with...cont...
TheLawFulfilled2 1 year ago
which happened at his coming "on the clouds" (an old testament study on the meaning of this is very helpful) in judgment on Jerusalem. The reason I mention Josephus' book...he was an eyewitness to the event, and even though he tends to probably exaggerate about his own exploits (who knows?) he does give us a historical view of what happened.
TheLawFulfilled2 1 year ago
Including a mother eating her son because the famine was so bad, and the abomination that causes desolation. His description was accurate enough that the Jewish Christians recognized it, and were able to flee Jerusalem just in time to Pella, where they stayed in caves during the siege. In the end, the temple was
destroyed, and the Roman soldiers bowed down to the symbol on their staffs...an eagle representing Nero. I can present many through history who understood this.
TheLawFulfilled2 1 year ago
It wouldn't have been Nero at the time, since Nero had committed suicide by this time, but it represented the Roman emperor, who set himself up as their god. Sorry I misspoke that.
TheLawFulfilled2 1 year ago
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Evangelist7777 1 year ago
@TheLawFulfilled2 Your an Idiot
Evangelist7777 1 year ago
@Evangelist7777 Wow aren't you just full of the love of Christ.
TheLawFulfilled2 1 year ago
@TheLawFulfilled2 John 16:12-15 12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you
Evangelist7777 1 year ago
@TheLawFulfilled2 Yes I am Thank You. Enough to tell you what the Word Of God says. Listen to the Sermon. It's The Word Of God and if you reject it you reject God. Who's Josephus? Is Josephus from the Word Of God? NO! sure isn't. Therefore I just told you the truth because anyone who rejects this message rejects God and Jesus which makes you a what? According to The Word Of God a fool. You know nothing about the Love of Christ for you do not know Christ.
Evangelist7777 1 year ago
@Evangelist7777 The sermon is the Word of God? I don't think so, it's the word of a man...likely a Pharisee type. I can reject any teaching that isn't true, I don't have to take your word for it, there's plenty of people spreading all sorts of disinformation about Christ on youtube especially. So, how is it love to go around calling people idiots because you don't agree with them? Scripture says you're in danger of hellfire calling people fools and idiots, yet you didn't hesitate.
TheLawFulfilled2 1 year ago
So what exactly didn't you understand when the Lord said all those things would come to pass before that generation passed away? How do you not understand that he was talking about the destruction of the temple when he was saying not one brick would be left on another? How do you not understand the end of the Mosaic age and the passing of the torch that he was talking about here, if you know your scriptures like you say you do?
TheLawFulfilled2 1 year ago
@TheLawFulfilled2 Better read that scripture again. It says if you call your brother a fool you are in danger of Hell Fire. Your noy my brother you do the works of your Father the devil.Matthew 5:22 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.
Evangelist7777 1 year ago
@Evangelist7777 Wow. I'd laugh but this is sad. 1) You don't have a clue about my works if you're judging me from my doctrine and beliefs. Jesus is my Lord, so if I'm not your brother than who are you? 2) God desires that EVERY man be saved, so whether they are or not, you are to show the love of God to them ALL...that is the entire purpose of His people while they are here. So because I hold Preterist understandings of scripture, how exactly does that make me of the devil?
TheLawFulfilled2 1 year ago
@Evangelist7777 "You are not my brother, so this doesn't apply to me." What kind of logic is this? Why not say, "You are not my brother, so I can be as mean and cruel as I want to you." What ever happened to "Love your enemy?"
TheLawFulfilled2 1 year ago
@Vainslain Hey if you wanna bust on Snoop,Just ask him how his Pats are doing in the Playoffs! Tell him you are a Jets fan! LOL. Im now laughing my head off.I think anti christ will be a Roman and yes I think hes here but not in power.I think he CANNOT come to power untill after the Rapture.Mind if I put it in a PM and send you why?
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 Actually the whole ezekiel 18 is very telling about the possibility of righteous falling to spiritual death. This was reiterated as well on Ezekiel 33:12-20. And If thats not enough Romans 8:13 and Gal 6:8 parellels ezekiel's! Please Check it out! A BIG indication that God never change his mind about the conditional security of the righteous
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 To add to this comment about ezekiel 18; 33:12-20 and Romans 8:13 the objections that it's only a physical death can be dismantled by the fact that BOTH righteous and unrighteous will die physically anyway, same in the case of Romans 8:13: the christians and unsaved will eventually die physicaly so the word 'die' cant be refering to physical death but spiritual death
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain I found and look on my channel its a reference to the fall of Adam and Eve.Question,Its just what you might think,If ,ok,re word it.They had NOT sinned till they ate the fruit right? So would that make them immortal? Once they ate the fruit they became mortal right? Noting to make them sick,no cancer,no pain as we know it?
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 I havent yet study this issue of whether adam and eve were immortal before they sinned. We believe they are. But some say they were really created mortals but minus the curse and suffering. I find it interesting and would love to chew on this one. It's a big issue in itself. But we know the facts right? Sin entered and death came. Regardless if mortality was one them spiritual death definitely was brought forth
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain My question to you on this subject is just to see if you had anything on it.My bible is opened to Romans 5.Start in verse 12 and finish the Chapter.Thats if you arent sure of it.You will see what I mean.It goes to what you are saying.I think the later part of your statement is true.As sin entered in they fell from Grace.Yes We both know the facts,lol.Yea I would say you know them well.But in Eze 18,:4 and 20 this is what I think hes talking about.
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Vainslain I'm still digging the truth about these nephilim. Yeah, what we know about them and the Sons of god that came down were based on Genesis 6:4 and also in the book of Enoch. I think these group of angels are the same ones reffered to in jude 6. These stories are historically Interesting but not much of a big deal. I chose to put the video in my channel cuz it has good music intro that i feel match the background :)
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain Hey Brother,Sorry and forgive me,I had a relaps of some form of flu.It put me down since we last talked.I never read the book of Enoch.But I have studied Gen6:4-6 and found it a bad road to go down for me that is.My mind started wondering and you know why.It was hard to get away from that type of studying,for me it was.It grabbed ahold of me like my pit and wouldnt let go.Ya it was scary.Thats another reason why I stay away from other books.
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 Cont... 2nd The word "believes" in John 3:16 and other places in the bible that has to do with salvation is actually a continous tense in greek. Study it and you will be suprised. 3rd Only our past sins were forgiven when we got saved 2 Pet 1:9; Col 2:13; 2. Our future sins are not automatically forgiven. Thats why Math 6:14,15 made sense.
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain In my PM to you I looked up the WRONG verse.You put 2:7 which makes sense.
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 Cont.... 4th Works by biblical definition is connected to the obedience to the mosaic laws (Gal 5:1-4) NOT to the moral aspect of the commands. Thats why you see Paul preaching Grace and at the same time often warns christians to DO something like avoiding immorality or they will miss heaven!! Gal 5:19-21; Eph 5:5-7. We are not under the law BUT we still are not permitted to steal, get drunk or be sexual immoral! Holy living is not optional even in the age of Grace
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain Heres how I see works.And you may or may not agree.I have faith in Christ to save me. With that faith,I will have works. The more I mature from a babe in Christ the more works I will have.I love the Lord and choose to serve him.In doing so I have works.This is not a works salvation,Its based on my Faith on Christ.
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 You are referring to the "good works" done thru faith in jesus Eph 2:10 compare to the "works" thru the mosaic law spoken by paul Rom 3:21-24; 28 to which we refer as being Work Salvation people get confused from. There is no work salvation when one believes that salvation can be lost. It's never a work salvation when paul warns us of not inheriting the kingdom if we commit immoralities? Eph 5:5-7; Gal 5:19-21
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain The works I am saying is out of love to God the Father and Jesus Christ.I look at it like this,I am eternally secure,Therefore I do not worry about my salvation.I worry when I see a person when being led by the Holy Spirit to witness to that person.My main goal sense I been saved is to soul win. Thats the most important thing in my life now.But my works are simply out of love for God for he loved me first.Try this,Look at King David.Did he ever fall from Grace?
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 Yes i understand, the works you display is out of love for God, a gratitude to what he has done. I share that too. I dont worry about my salvation either esp when i'm remaining IN christ and not straying away from him. Again that isn't work salvation. Work salvation always refers to the obedience to the mosaic law
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 About David he commited geievous sin and live unrepentant for at least 9 months. The question is not whether he repents later but whether he is still SAVED in those sinful period. Remember he commited a bible define sins condemn even in paul's writting 1Cor 6:9. If you say yes then your belief unwittingly allows wickedness in Grace and thats licence to sin Jude 1:4. There can be no other
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain Ok,Its my turn,Now go read Hebrews 12,lol.Heres why.Did God walk away from David?Did God Change his feelings for what David did?Or Did God act like a Father to him and Punish him for the sin he did?David was not cast away from him.I see your point you are saying but its like,Im saved now but if I sin Im not saved.It doesnt work that way,Maybe I misunderstood you.Rephrase it another way so I can understand it.I do not look for a way for sin to stay in my life.
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 Remember when i told you about God's dicipline in Heb 12 that i'm reminded Not to abuse his sacrifice anymore? I then point to you Hebrew 10:26. Have you read that? Because that passage say that if WE KEEP ON SINNING there will be NO MORE sacrifices left but only a FEARFUL judgment that will consume us. If our persistent sins caught us til death then this words holds true
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 No brother,i dont think you look for way to sin in your life. What i mean is when a saved person start to live a life of sin (esp when that sin leads to spiritual death 1Jn 5:16,17, like Sins that bar us from the kingdom and rob us of eternl life- 1Cor 6:9;1; 1Jn 3:15, like the ones king david was guilty of Adultery/Murder) .. AND you believe that they are still SAVED then it's not Grace. Thats a false Grace which Jude 1:4 is talking about. Pls read it
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain Im off line till Tuesday ok..God Bless you and stay safe.
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 About Adoptiom ' 'Huiothesia' It's not an 'action' the way we understood it. It is NOT synonymous with salvation (entrance into the family). Adoption is the Right of a son. Adoption is the "inheritance", "promise", or "reward" that the son receives as an heir. In other words full adoption can be recieved after death! It still not done yet. See Romans 8:23 it speaks of believers who WAIT for their adoption.
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain Read my PM to you on this one ok.
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 Thanks for the sub. I can only response to the msgs i see from my mailbox. My ipod cant access YT inbox for some reason
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain Ok I will only reply here.
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Snoopy4406 There's nothing to refute in Romans 5:9-11 because it says nothing about being reconciled with jesus blood even under gross sins. You also ask why get saved if we can still end up in Hell? It's becos there's a possibility? otherwise there's no point of Paul's drawing conclusion of the consequence of these type of sinning 1 Cor 6:9; Eph 5:5-7; Gal 5:19-21
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain How can you say theres no justification by Christ blood in Romans 5:9?Was I justified before I Got saved? No,I was a enemy of God.I was alive to sin.But accepting Christ as my savior I am now dead to sin seeing I died like Christ and I now live because he lives in me.So by Christ work on the cross how am I not Justified by his death?Cant wait to see how snoop responds to this. I would say study Roman adoption Romans8:14-17.
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Hunter8074 Please read carefully my response to snoop. I didn't say there's no justification by christ blood. I'm contending that one can lose his salvation if he strays to sins mention in Ephesian 5-5-7; Gal 5:19-21. Snoop just throw Romans 5:9 for me to refute. And i dont find anything there to refute. I understand the passage but has nothing to do with i'm saying
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain How can you say theres nothing to reconcile With Christ Blood?Either you are saved or you are not.Did Christ work on the cross save us or not?Did he pay the sin debt in full or was it half paid?I really do not think you know what the Blood of Christ is.If you did you would know we are eternally secure.Ephesians1:7,In whom we have redemption through his BLOOD ,The forgiveness OF SINS, according TO THE RICHES OF HIS GRACE.So hows salvation lost?
Snoopy4406 1 year ago
@Vainslain What part of this verse do you not get?2 Cor 12:9And he said unto me,My grace is sufficient for thee;for my strength is made perfect in weakness, What part are you not getting?You are saved by GODS GRACE nothing of yourself.By saying God cant keep you eternally secure Jesus work on the cross is not finished.What sin is not covered by Christ blood?
Snoopy4406 1 year ago
@Snoopy4406 2 Cor 12:9 is talking about Paul's thorn NOT salvation so it doesn't refute my case. The bible told me i'm saved by grace but the bible also told me to "persist in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life." (Rom 2:7)● Bear good fruit or get thrown into the fire (Jn. 15:6; Mt. 7:19; 3:10).● Sow to please the Spirit to reap eternal life (Gal. 6:8).● Stand firm through hatred to the end to be saved (Mt. 10:22)
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain Yes I would agree but at the same time you are saying hes ONLY talking to Paul?I would not agree with just Paul.Heres why.You and I are still in our human bodies. Are we not?So we are weak being in these bodies.So is NOT Jesus Grace still sufficient for us? i am not saying at any time its ok to sin,I do not EVER try to justify sin in my life or another persons life.I look at the Bible and see we are weak even though we are saved.
Snoopy4406 1 year ago
@Snoopy4406 Why not ask them Snoop if Jesus saves,How can one get unsaved?
Hunter8074 1 year ago
@Snoopy4406 But this is a missaplication of verse. From God's Grace being sufficient to Paul's suffering to God's Grace sufficiency in covering up for our weakness to sin! That is no grace but licence to sin Jude 1:4 I know you dont justify sin but your belief unwittingly allows it. You dont see Grace teacher Paul believing that. In fact he beat his body to make it his slave 1 Cor 9:27
Vainslain 1 year ago
@Vainslain Where does it say in the bible a backslidden person is no longer saved?What did Christ do?Died for ALL sin not just some.
Hunter8074 1 year ago
If a Christian can lose their salvation then I'll be first in line because I've done more to disrespect God more than any other believer in the history of the world
fasteddie847 1 year ago
@fasteddie847 I hear ya on that.I am ashamed of some of the things I have done.
Hunter8074 1 year ago
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@cannotfindavoice so what if you backslid and start living in sin and you don't come back. your saying you'll still go to heaven????
pisbond 1 year ago
Right off the bat you can see this guy is a loud mouth egotistical snake oil salesman. I never saw Jesus depicted as a slick obnoxious con man. I got a headache after 6 minutes of his hyper yelling and condescending attitude towards the congregation.
Everything about his demeanor says I’m in love with myself, I can talk so good.
There eating out of my hand. Oh and if your not a hyper loud mouth ass like me for Jesus then your not HOT and he will spit you out of his mouth.
NWOisherenow 1 year ago
Great vid it seems that very few grasp the truth that salvation is through one person & one person only ( JESUS ) . Also that once you have salvation you can not loose it in any way shape or form ie: (1 John 5:13) (John 5:24) (John 1:12,13) (Hebrews 10:10,14) Hebrews 7:25: (1 John 2:1-2) John 6:37 "The one who comes to me I will certainly NOT cast out !!! Jn.10:27-30: I give unto them ETERNAL life, & NEVER PERISH. Rom 6:23 gift of God is ETERNAL, Heb.5:9:, 2 Timothy 2:13 .
cannotfindavoice 1 year ago
@cannotfindavoice so what if you backslid and start living in sin and you don't come back. your saying you'll still go to heaven????
pisbond 1 year ago
@pisbond Did you actually listen to the pastors vid or have you just clicked onto it to make your comment. With what you have said I would surmise its the latter, as if you had have watched these 4 vids its all covered & covered using nothing but the Bible. I would watch them if I was you, you may well learn something.
cannotfindavoice 1 year ago
@cannotfindavoice so what if you backslid and start living in sin and you don't come back. your saying you'll still go to heaven????
pisbond 1 year ago
can a christian lose his salvation? only if he is a priest giving it to an alter boy up the ass. shame but true.
TeslaDRay 1 year ago
There are a lot of scriptures which seems to say that you can lose your salvation. One example is the parable of the 10 virgins.
I personally think it is dangerous to teach OSAS because there are a lot of scriptures which seem to contradict it. People should live as if you can lose your salvation. It's better safe than sorry.
vizion24 1 year ago
I do believe in eternal security. On the other hand, I often think both Salvation losing has the same goal as eternal security. Most see grace as an occasion to sin and take advantage of God's grace while those of us who disagree see adding works to grace. For whatever reason-I think many have the same goal but a different way to understand-salvation from sin by the blood of Christ.
daveme7 1 year ago
I believe if you are a christian and you believe the one next to you is lost, should you not help your brother?
Proverbs 14:29 A patient man has great understanding, but a quick-tempered man displays folly.
Be patient with eachother! No man has seen God, so how can anyone debate his glory?
Hydrojen1 1 year ago
This is the danger of the easy apeasement preachin. Its not the Gospel, but simply the easy non-offending message of apeasement. Many preachers today are more concerned with large crowds, than they are with the souls of men.
The TV evangelist, preaching about the benefits of money, instead of consecration. Now the young studs are trying to get on TV jut like the Copelands, and the Creflos, becuase it seemed to worked so well for them.
signalcorp4 1 year ago
@signalcorp4 ok first of all idk what listening to metallica has to do with anything. second the reason why I dont go to "church" anymore is because of all the bull crap they teach. prosperity gospel, losing salvation etc. Church is waking up every Sunday at 8 AM and sitting in pews listening to a preacher teach. The church is the people and being around ppl who help you with your walk with God. I've found that small Bibles studies are 10x more beneficial then "church" today.
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
Babble, babble, babble Am_en.
I liked the hiss when the cross came up, reminds me of Revelation 3:9.
Everyone gets saved, this is the good news, Yay, but (spooky organ music) would you like to be a good boy doing Christ works in this world, or would you like a backpackers hostel in the next?
I'm heading for a castle next to a beautiful river with peacocks, and pomegranates, and bananas. Oh! and don't forget the blueberry muffins. mmmmm Blueberry muffins.
stoodOnAnArk 1 year ago
Salvation can NEVER BE Lost
737flyhigh 1 year ago
i've seen enough, the bible says those who are of God sinneth not or do not make practice of sinning in two translations his love endures forever but we can walk away from it an sin serparates us which is walking away. salvation cannot be lost, but we can walk away from it or reject it (if a man is in the ocean and a raft is thrown to his, but as he get closer to the boat he pops the raft and is stuck in the water, no one stop loving him he just rejected it by his actions)
invinceible75 1 year ago
this church is the prime example of what God warned would manifest ..sounds very similar to calvinism ,,seminary infiltrated satanism. no-one wants to hear the truth just like these people in this church are the ones who thru stones at Jesus on his walk with the cross ..Judas was legit in the beginning but fell away as hebrews warns yet he didnt repent & the rest is history..i was raised on this crone preaching but found after the years of indoctrination having the ears to come out of the lie.
dubvishun 1 year ago
Read what Jesus said to the church of Samaria in Revelation 3:5.... Then, re-think of this doctrine. I truly love and appreciate Billye Crone, but I totally disagree with this doctrine. Too many Scriptures go against it..
worldoutkast04 1 year ago
counterfeits? what about Simon the sorcerer in Acts 8? He was saved, the passage clearly says he was. And the passage clearly states he lost it and how he can regain it.
tgbotg 1 year ago
Saint Paul saith that if the saved recieve circumcision, they are "severed from Christ, fallen from grace". -How much more can be said on the subject?
AtomicMonster454 1 year ago
the password was jesus
calvinsaccount001 2 years ago
Hebrews 6:11 We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure. Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,, but only a fearful expectation of judgement and of a raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Jo 16:33 In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.
The race is not to the swiftest.
signalcorp4 2 years ago
@signalcorp4 Ur taking all these verses out of context. Hebrews 10:26 is saying that if u keep on sinning after knowing that something is wrong, then you will lose those rewards in heaven. Everyone is going to b judged for what they have done. But the wrong we do in this life after we are saved don't send us to hell.
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
@thatkidwithADHD No your trying to put new words in Gods mouth. The greasy grace slope trys to imply that you dont have to REPENT of your sins. The Bible says come out form among them, and "I am Holy, therefore be ye Holy". Christ calls all to repent from thier sin, not just confess one time Once saved always saved.
We have been given the Holy Spirit to be OVERCOMERS, not under acheivers. Christ said" I have overcome the world, and you will to throught long suffering.
signalcorp4 1 year ago
@thatkidwithADHD Your espousing a do nothing gospel, which is nothing to do with God or his Holy word. The operative word is OBEDIENCE. Otherwise the work that Christ completed on the cross would become cheap and unnecessary. The only thing eternally secure is Gods word and his glory. We are falliable sinfull men, in need of repentance and a regenerating work on going in our lives to complete us. He that endures to the end shall be saved. Matt 10:22
signalcorp4 1 year ago
@signalcorp4 That verse in matthew is irrelevant to today because this was something that was said BEFORE Jesus died on the cross. so that verse shouldnt even b mentioned. where in the Bible does it say that I have to believe AND do good works to b saved. Did u even read the verse I put out. NOT BY WORKS so that no one can boast. If i can do things to earn salvation then I can also do things to lose it. but that wouldnt make salvation a gift then would it?
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
@thatkidwithADHD I know that you dont really like the word but I give you some scrpt.
Ez 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damed. KJV
Is 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth; but the word of our God shall stand forever.
signalcorp4 1 year ago
@signalcorp4 You are calling Jesus death on the cross a lie because he died FOR our sins. there was no way that we could save ourself. so you're faith by works teaching is crap and you ARE calling God a liar wether u see it or not. Salvation IS a gift and you dont take back gifts that you give to someone. once they accept it its theirs.
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
@thatkidwithADHD More? 2 chor. 2:9 For to this end also did I write , that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.
Jesus said; Mat 10:38 He that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me is not worthy of me.]
Ro 6:1,3 What shll we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
signalcorp4 1 year ago
@signalcorp4 what does the verse in 2 chor have to do with this? another mat verse. r u even listening to anything im saying? the Romans verse doesnt say that you lose salvation. And I love the word. I however hate when people take the verses out of context such as you are doing. not to mention u threw in verses that arent even related. Answer me this question. what is your defenition of being saved?
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
@thatkidwithADHD You may very well be in the crowd that believes that you can go out and commit a multitude of sins and then waltz right into Heaven. That is completely contrary to any Bible doctrine. You have to endure to the end in order to be saved Mat 10:22. I give you these sciptures that help define Gods stance on salvation and running the race and the good fight. Jesus wouldnt have told us to endure and to be overcomers, unless that is what he meant.
signalcorp4 1 year ago
@signalcorp4 alright dude here is where the problem is. All those verses that u just gave me are things that jesus said BEFORE he died on the cross. the Acts verse......how does that even apply to this? He had not paid the price for our sins yet and during that time people were under law. this is a concept that you dont seem to under stand so let me help u understand better. Before Jesus death: people were judged under the law. After Jesus died: salvation by faith.
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
@thatkidwithADHD You just defined your problem exactly. You dont believe. You dont believe that Gods word is usful for correction and that it will lead us unto righteousness. You dont believe that Gods word is forever settled in Heaven. You dont believe that all the scriptures that i just laid out or relevant for the modern church today. Jesus said, He would rather we be hot or cold, if we were lukewarm he would spit us out. The Bible is a completed writing.
signalcorp4 1 year ago
@signalcorp4 I have the problem? you are the one who just completely overlooked everything I just said and instead of adressing my points you attacked what you think is wrong with me. While I can think of 2 or 3 different things that the verses you gave me mean u cant even come up with 1 for the 1 simple verse I sent you. And your outlook on being saved is mere opinion. give me one verse that backs up your defenition of being saved.
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
@signalcorp4 so with that in mind let me use a verse that is "up to date" for lack of a better term. Ephesians 2:8-9 "for it is by grace that you have been saved through FAITH. and thay NOT of yourselves. it is the gift of God. NOT BY WORKS so that no man can boast." Not to mention the greek translation for when Jesus said "it is finished" was translated to "it is forgiven past present and future."so you are calling God a liar. =/ just thought u might wanna know that
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
@thatkidwithADHD This is the second time you have used this one scripture to back up the philosophy of greasy grace. Jesus commanded all men to Repent. Follow peace with all men and holiness, without which, no man will see the Kingdom. These are not optional commandments. Christ expects everyone that has an adult mind to adhere to, and follow the Bible always. If we do not, then we can fearfully expect a just reward. Hell is very real and will be filled with half hearted.
signalcorp4 1 year ago
@signalcorp4 Alright so the word of God is grease therefore we should all just use logic comming from our sinful minds. thats basically what you just said. wow dude really? He gave us the ten commandments so that we would know right from wrong. And we broke them. Y do you think he sent his son? there was no way that we could keep the ten commendments so what makes now any different? if we get into heaven by doing good works, then y did Jesus die for us? answer that for me if you can.
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
@thatkidwithADHD You see what you just said here is that since Christ died upon the cross of Calvary, you no longer have to obey the Ten Commandments? You call yourself a son, but act like a bastard by refusing to follow the simple instructions that your Heavenly Father has asked of you.
I think that in CONCLUSION your denial of Gods Complete word as the devine instruction manual, is futile and immature. Endless questioning and geneologies. From such a person depart.
signalcorp4 1 year ago
@signalcorp4 And when did I ever say that I didnt obey God? And we have free will. When ur parents asked you to do thing did u ALWAYS obey them or did you u disobey sometimes? we break the fellowship with God and lose blessings when we sin but we do NOT lose our salvation. Wether you see it or not you ARE calling God a liar when you say you can lose your salvation. Give me those verses if you dont think I can correctly interpret them.
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
@signalcorp4 and yes I do call myself a son. and I know that im not perfect but God still loves me and no matter what sin I commit I WILL go to heaven when I die. nice way to defend your position by calling names and making accusations you cant even back up. your stand point is pitiful. you are misinterpreting these verses. this is just mere speculation but I think that people who claim that you can lose your salvation go around telling people this because they feel....
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
@signalcorp4 unworthy and because they r mislead. you cant honestly in your right mind try and make the Bible meet ur agenda. look at ephesian 2:8-9 one more time and tell me that this verse doesnt explain all it takes to be saved. NOT BY WORKS but by faith. You still cant think of anything else that this verse is saying therefore it is as mentioned. works is something you do to please not. NOT to get into heaven
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
@thatkidwithADHD David your 21 years old and you like to listen to metallica. Your young and have a long road ahead of you. If you desire to learn more about the Bible I would suggest that you do so. Find a Bible based church, Full Bible, Open Bible, Pentecostal, or AG. One of these churches would begin to teach you how to begin to understand Gods word, and how to follow Christ. You have many years as a man ahead of you. Dont waste them with no Bible reading.
signalcorp4 1 year ago
@thatkidwithADHD Luke 13:24 (Jesus speaking) Strive to enter at the strait gate: for many I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 26)Then shall ye begin to say, we have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught us in our streets. 27)But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28) There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see the kingdom of God and you yourselfs be thrust out.
signalcorp4 1 year ago
@signalcorp4 and you arent even listening to anything I'm saying anymore so I'm not going to bother unless you are goin to actually adress my points. one of them being that any verse before Jesus died is law.You are saying that Jesus death on the cross was not enough. What sin is greater than the blood of the lamb? answer that. besides Luke13:24 is talking about people who claim to know Jesus JUST because they have partaken in things such as communion, going to church etc.
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
@signalcorp4 No where in that verse does it say that you lose salvation. I am actually 20, but dont you dare base my relationship with God off my age. Age has nothing to do with it. Look at Jesus. he was showing up elderly pastors as a child. My walk with God has been the best it's been so far and God told me that the loss of salvation is a lie and thats y im here today. I cant make you believe the truth because thats the conviction of God.
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
@thatkidwithADHD since you are going to b a child about this whole issue by calling my names, insulting my character, claiming things you cant prove with scripture, and ignoring my question I'm going to leave you with something.I question wether you really are saved and here is y. 1 Corinthians 1:18 "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
@thatkidwithADHD I have been preaching the word of the cross many times in this argument and not only do u not agree with any of it, but you teach who God isnt. your view on salvation is very carnal. You ARE saying that Jesus death was not enough. You Are calling God a liar, and you ARE teaching a faith by works concept which is NOT Biblical. So by this verse I dont think you are saved. you dont acknowledge that Jesus paid the FULL PRICE for our sins. you might want to really think about is.
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
@signalcorp4 and since you are so eager to hear more bible verses heres another one for you to chew on. Galatians 4:4-7."But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those under the law, that we might recieve thef full rights of sons. Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his son into our hearts, the spirit who calls out "Abba, Father." So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir."
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
@thatkidwithADHD Can anyone claim this verse no matter how they live? Can a murderer, or homosexual, or a satanic follower claim this verse as proof that they are sons as well? You see you misunderstand the Biblical message. You have to ENDURE to the end of your LIFE in order to be saved from HELL and the second death. You have to follow Gods 10 commandments, and all of his Biblical directives for our lives in order to see the kingdom. Refusal or denial is death, not life.
signalcorp4 1 year ago
@signalcorp4 I misunderstand. lol alright give me the verses that you are talking about and I'll tell you what they are saying. Cuz I know which verses you are talking about but they dont in any way say that you lose your salvation. and you are correct. people who refuse or deny Jesus will go to hell BECAUSE they have not accepted Jesus. But if I am already saved then that would b like your father denying you just because you denied him. that is NOT God's character and you know it
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
@signalcorp4 if your view on this is so correct then I dare you to back up what you are saying with scripture. something you still fail to do and I've already asked you twice
thatkidwithADHD 1 year ago
@thatkidwithADHD Being saved? Salvation to most churches nad doctrines, is a process. Many ministers have used that term over and over again. Even some of the name and claim it crowd.
A person sees the need to seek God, through the ministry of the Holy Ghost. Understanding that we are sinners, and we are in need of a savior Jesus Christ. Following all of Gods commandments for the duration of each persons life. Water baptism, Holy Spirit baptism. Jo 3:5, Act 2:39
signalcorp4 1 year ago
Mr Crone,, I'm afraid laid his trap. A sinner cannot (1) loose his salvation, that he never had to begin with. (2)Only a person that had something, {salvation} could loose it, or be in fear of being without it. (3) A sinner cannot backslide, only one that has come to the knowledge of truth and has tasted salvation. Those that are lost, cannot be accused of departing from, or turning cold or luke warm. They are already condemmed, and lost in there trespasses.
signalcorp4 2 years ago
elementary errors on so many points.
false teaching.
brian9monty 2 years ago
If salvation is based on works,how did anyone receive it in the first place? For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Once a son always a son. My relationship may change because of behavior,but my Sonship never changes.
dasweener 2 years ago