(continued), and companies that go out and build something should be more prevalent than companies that trick the government into large transfers of wealth via privatization. The Neoliberal's own theories would come around to this if they were more introspective. For example, Milton Friedman once said, whatever a society rewards, it finds it get's more of. This profit habit is all you need to know in order to realize that there will never be a privatization sale via public IPO.
It is pretty obvious that for free market capitalism to work, companies need to be motivated in such a way that their best outcomes are outcomes the rest of us would find acceptable. By way of analogy, society should reward better the person who saves up and buys a VCR more than the person who breaks a window and takes one. Similarly, companies who use safe mining techniques that don't drop arsenic in drinking water should find that's a competitive advantage.
The funny thing is Friedrich Hayek was a welfare sponger, who used the wlefare systems he claimed to despise.
When the Kochs invited him to America Hayek worried that he wouldn't get any medical benefits, so they sent him a pamphlet about the wonders of US social welfare.
Hayek sponged off Austrian and US taxpayers, what a hypocritical scumbag.
@bapyou Throughout its bloodsoaked history, has been led by twisted, hateful, ruthless ideologues full of the same hate for others of a different view point and the same propensity to demonize capitalism in a far from a rational manner as you can get in as you are, in order to try to bring about some unobtainable socialist utopia. You people are sick fantasists. And the bitterness bought about by the defeat of your wolly headed communist ideas never ceases, as your ad hom shows.
@Itoh2Itoh ''Provide some evidence to support your claim that Harvey is laying out a Utopian project?''
There's an interview with a woman from the BBC on yt somewhere. He openly talks about the utopia he envisions. It's pretty sad watching a clearly intelligent man turn a blind eye to the inescapable reality of life and chose some fantasy life we everyone lives by utopian ideas. Wishful thinking.
I live in reality. A free society. And accept that the leftist idea of 'equality' is nonsense..
@Underground906 Why, then, were the bankers bailed out? Why does the US taxpayer fund Lockheed Martin (the failed aviation company)?Why does the US government subidise oil?Why are cheaper foreign import medicines not allowed in America?Why is Monsanto subsidised by the US taxpayer and allowed to bully American farmers?Why are government contracts handed out to companies without bids?
I believe that private corporations should not be given a dime of US taxpayer's money.
@Itoh2Itoh Fucking nonsense in fact. And I see that because I'm humble enough to look at the world and know there are people better at things at me. I'm not eaten up and consumed with hatred that they do far better than I do. The left are pathological liars anyway. Living conditions and the inequality gap has shrunk in the west. Capitalism has made todays 'poor' far better off. This giant totalitarian paranaoia of capitalism is absurd, and indicative of the nuerosis that is modern leftism.
As much as I admire the reasoned approach and am sympathetic to howards position because he's intelligent enough to articulate his view well, I don't agree with the conclusions, and I recognize him as a utopianist. "If it looks like class war, and it feels like class war, why don't we call it class war? And why don't we engagde in it back?"
Marxists have. Many times. And it failed dismally at the cost of many millions of lives. That's the truth. The promise of Utopia knows no deterrent.
@Underground906 "Marxists have [engaged in class war] and it failed dismally at the cost of many millions of lives."
You have a selective view of history.1. Capitalism is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions across the globe: Ex: The Vietnam War killed between 2-4 million SE Asians. So get off your goddamned high horse as if capitalism is guiltless. 2. The US has overthrown NUMEROUS leftist governments/movements.
I fucking loathe you right wing vermin. U R scum of the Earth.
@bapyou Yes you would loathe people that oppose you pathetic and debunked fantasies. You would be the typical, hatetful to a an almost psychotic state, bigoted left winger communist who can only resort to emotive and hate filled ad homs, while distorting what is the truth about the situation if you didn't. Not, you fool, the US wasn't overthrowing 'leftist' governements, they have one now, but fighting the muderous ideology of communism, the only ones who did, thank god. You need to grow up.
@Underground906 "Yes you would loathe people that oppose you pathetic and debunked fantasies. "
No, you scum, I oppose ruling-class scum & their supporters who stand in the way of societies functioning for their people and not for the rulers.
"US wasn't overthrowing 'leftist' governements, they have one now"
The fact that you think Obama is left wing is proof that you are a propagandized assfucking assfuck. The US has overthrown NUMEROUS leftist governments, you stupid fuck scum fuck.
@bapyou The Democrats are leftwing. You're a spastic. Mentally handicapped. And a deeply vile individual. The kind of freak who believes one hundred per cent that everything would be perfect if ther was no social hierarchy and that those at the top of it are the ones in the way of that perfect society. You sad little man. Imagine if demented leftist morons like you really were on an equal footing to those higher up the social ladder. Society would crumble. Its just reality you pea brained cunt.
Look: Little boy: Allow me to explain something: Becky Glenn & his mad chalkbaord rants are a comedy show. Becky wouldn't know a real left-winger if his fat-assed life depended on it.
The members of both mainstream parties are composed of corporate whores doing the bidding of the Military Industrial Complex. Becky Glenn (who makes $23 million per year) tells you scary things about Dems to keep you fighting with other working class people.
@bapyou It makes me laugh when you fucking clowns say ''they're not left-wing!!!1!!''. I swear I've never seen a (secular) group of people so completely deluded. It's part of the personality disorder your ilk invariably have. ''If they were really left wing they'd crush big business altogether and redsitribute the wealth''. What you mean is they are not communist/marxist/idealistic enough. Go fuck yourself you imbecil and stop wasting my time. Your lefty sanctimony is odius and nauseating.
@Underground906 Yes, the Democrats are NOT left-wing. Sorry to burst your bubble, you right-wing dolt. The Democrats are as much a capitalist party as the Republicans. True left-wing is anti-capitalist; always has been the true definition of left-wing. The fact that right-wing dolts like you brand Democrats as "left-wing" is a tactic which limits possibilities, i.e. the Democrats are already left-wing, therefore there isn't anything that needs to be done beyond electing more Democrats. Fuck you.
@bapyou You fucking jumped up little turd. You don't get to decide the definition of Left-wing you fucking cock. You're talking specifically about Socialism/Communism and saying that is 'left-wing', and nothing else is. Which is ridiculous. ''True'' Left-Wing? You just go on to repeat and reaffirm what I said in my earlier post to you. There is a reason why all anti-capitalist governments have murdered so many dissenters. They are full of hateful nutcases like you.
@Underground906 "You don't get to decide the definition of Left-wing"
And who decides? Right-wingers? What a stupid fuck you are.
"Socialism/Communism . . . that is 'left-wing', and nothing else."
Correct. And throw in the anarchists as well. Those constitute left-wing; not pro-capitalist Democrats. In Europe these are the parameters that are understood.
In America propgandized dolts like you -- incapable of farting crosswise in the dark -- think they actually know something.
@bapyou ''And who decides? Right-wingers? What a stupid fuck you are.'' The fact that the only alternative to you in who gets to decide must be right-wingers, and that fact that you assume I meant that shows what a complete fucking idiot you are. Like every single other postering lefty moron I have come across, you think in stereotypes and mischaraterization when it comes to people who disagree and never the real reality for why they do. I'm from the UK. You know nothing you cliche.
Long despised Lefties. But listened to Mr Harvey and felt that injustice again and understood where they were coming from. Then I read a straightfaced comment like this ''Are we ever going to have utopia?'' And I realize Neoliberalism was more of a reaction against the communists who wanted to bring them down based on a real belief that a socialist utopia can exist, and immediate any revolutionary fervour I may have for the class war evaporates and I remember the slaughter in previous pursuits.
Is he saying that US imperial policies would not exist if the foreign country's elite did not envoke US intervention? There is documentation that US CEOs were very influential with Kissinger and Nixon in the planning of the Chilean coup. Pepsi's CEO Donald Kendall and ITT's board member John McCone pressed for action against Allende, for example
The state promoting "free markets" in "neoliberalism" is like the church promoting sex in marriage. Just like sex the "free market" is an exchange between parties. In the former or latter, the state or church controls the exchange by the enforcement of regulation or dogma. We can't leave out the global banks, for those exchanges that require financing; if the bank says no, the party is over. Now the state is the church, banks are God, and we still have sinners. Are we ever going to have utopia?
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Capitalist class? What is that? Are the capitalists making less than $30000? Oh of course not, because everyone uses the Marxian term. So capitalism is a compete farce. It doesn't exist. State-capitalism is just another term for neo-feudalism.
DAMN AMERICA, wake up! I have been preaching this for decades! Organize now to take action against elites stealing our tax dollars which steals our education, pensions, public security, health,etc.. PLEASE DON'T LET ME DOWN. I am leaving for a better country however I will stay if it changes here
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MarxistMuzzieMarly61 you really are full of shit. You don't live in the USA. QUIT LYING AND BEGGING.
You are a complete MORON...
Reagan was the GREATEST PRESIDENT OF THE 20th CENTURY.....now go back to what ever it is that you do in that turdworldtoilet of a country you live in...most likely a pig herder.
stfu you dumb piece of right wing shit. You're obviously a retard who would support going against his own interests, unless you happen to be one of those wealthy Americans, which you probably aren't any. You're probably just a dumbass. Reagan wouldn't have given two shits about you.
(continued), and companies that go out and build something should be more prevalent than companies that trick the government into large transfers of wealth via privatization. The Neoliberal's own theories would come around to this if they were more introspective. For example, Milton Friedman once said, whatever a society rewards, it finds it get's more of. This profit habit is all you need to know in order to realize that there will never be a privatization sale via public IPO.
sfjeff1089 1 week ago
kids, kids, settle down.
It is pretty obvious that for free market capitalism to work, companies need to be motivated in such a way that their best outcomes are outcomes the rest of us would find acceptable. By way of analogy, society should reward better the person who saves up and buys a VCR more than the person who breaks a window and takes one. Similarly, companies who use safe mining techniques that don't drop arsenic in drinking water should find that's a competitive advantage.
sfjeff1089 1 week ago
The funny thing is Friedrich Hayek was a welfare sponger, who used the wlefare systems he claimed to despise.
When the Kochs invited him to America Hayek worried that he wouldn't get any medical benefits, so they sent him a pamphlet about the wonders of US social welfare.
Hayek sponged off Austrian and US taxpayers, what a hypocritical scumbag.
Relugus 2 months ago
Go Communism whoop whoop!!
simonoconnor6 5 months ago
@bapyou Throughout its bloodsoaked history, has been led by twisted, hateful, ruthless ideologues full of the same hate for others of a different view point and the same propensity to demonize capitalism in a far from a rational manner as you can get in as you are, in order to try to bring about some unobtainable socialist utopia. You people are sick fantasists. And the bitterness bought about by the defeat of your wolly headed communist ideas never ceases, as your ad hom shows.
Underground906 10 months ago
Why don't we call it "class war"? Why don't we call it the NWO.
Good talk though.
suddenlyitsobvious 11 months ago
@underground - Provide some evidence to support your claim that Harvey is laying out a Utopian project?
He is suggesting that those being manipulated by a small, powerful and ruthless kleptocracy resist.
There again you may be happy living under The Divine Right of the Filthy Rich ...
Itoh2Itoh 11 months ago
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LondonLawyers 10 months ago
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LondonLawyers 10 months ago
@Itoh2Itoh ''Provide some evidence to support your claim that Harvey is laying out a Utopian project?''
There's an interview with a woman from the BBC on yt somewhere. He openly talks about the utopia he envisions. It's pretty sad watching a clearly intelligent man turn a blind eye to the inescapable reality of life and chose some fantasy life we everyone lives by utopian ideas. Wishful thinking.
I live in reality. A free society. And accept that the leftist idea of 'equality' is nonsense..
Underground906 10 months ago
@Underground906 Why, then, were the bankers bailed out? Why does the US taxpayer fund Lockheed Martin (the failed aviation company)?Why does the US government subidise oil?Why are cheaper foreign import medicines not allowed in America?Why is Monsanto subsidised by the US taxpayer and allowed to bully American farmers?Why are government contracts handed out to companies without bids?
I believe that private corporations should not be given a dime of US taxpayer's money.
End all corporate welfare.
Relugus 2 months ago
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@Itoh2Itoh Fucking nonsense in fact. And I see that because I'm humble enough to look at the world and know there are people better at things at me. I'm not eaten up and consumed with hatred that they do far better than I do. The left are pathological liars anyway. Living conditions and the inequality gap has shrunk in the west. Capitalism has made todays 'poor' far better off. This giant totalitarian paranaoia of capitalism is absurd, and indicative of the nuerosis that is modern leftism.
Underground906 10 months ago
As much as I admire the reasoned approach and am sympathetic to howards position because he's intelligent enough to articulate his view well, I don't agree with the conclusions, and I recognize him as a utopianist. "If it looks like class war, and it feels like class war, why don't we call it class war? And why don't we engagde in it back?"
Marxists have. Many times. And it failed dismally at the cost of many millions of lives. That's the truth. The promise of Utopia knows no deterrent.
Underground906 1 year ago
@Underground906 "Marxists have [engaged in class war] and it failed dismally at the cost of many millions of lives."
You have a selective view of history.1. Capitalism is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions across the globe: Ex: The Vietnam War killed between 2-4 million SE Asians. So get off your goddamned high horse as if capitalism is guiltless. 2. The US has overthrown NUMEROUS leftist governments/movements.
I fucking loathe you right wing vermin. U R scum of the Earth.
bapyou 10 months ago
@bapyou Yes you would loathe people that oppose you pathetic and debunked fantasies. You would be the typical, hatetful to a an almost psychotic state, bigoted left winger communist who can only resort to emotive and hate filled ad homs, while distorting what is the truth about the situation if you didn't. Not, you fool, the US wasn't overthrowing 'leftist' governements, they have one now, but fighting the muderous ideology of communism, the only ones who did, thank god. You need to grow up.
Underground906 10 months ago
@Underground906 "Yes you would loathe people that oppose you pathetic and debunked fantasies. "
No, you scum, I oppose ruling-class scum & their supporters who stand in the way of societies functioning for their people and not for the rulers.
"US wasn't overthrowing 'leftist' governements, they have one now"
The fact that you think Obama is left wing is proof that you are a propagandized assfucking assfuck. The US has overthrown NUMEROUS leftist governments, you stupid fuck scum fuck.
bapyou 10 months ago
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LondonLawyers 10 months ago
@bapyou The Democrats are leftwing. You're a spastic. Mentally handicapped. And a deeply vile individual. The kind of freak who believes one hundred per cent that everything would be perfect if ther was no social hierarchy and that those at the top of it are the ones in the way of that perfect society. You sad little man. Imagine if demented leftist morons like you really were on an equal footing to those higher up the social ladder. Society would crumble. Its just reality you pea brained cunt.
Underground906 10 months ago
@Underground906 "The Democrats are leftwing."
Look: Little boy: Allow me to explain something: Becky Glenn & his mad chalkbaord rants are a comedy show. Becky wouldn't know a real left-winger if his fat-assed life depended on it.
The members of both mainstream parties are composed of corporate whores doing the bidding of the Military Industrial Complex. Becky Glenn (who makes $23 million per year) tells you scary things about Dems to keep you fighting with other working class people.
bapyou 10 months ago
@bapyou It makes me laugh when you fucking clowns say ''they're not left-wing!!!1!!''. I swear I've never seen a (secular) group of people so completely deluded. It's part of the personality disorder your ilk invariably have. ''If they were really left wing they'd crush big business altogether and redsitribute the wealth''. What you mean is they are not communist/marxist/idealistic enough. Go fuck yourself you imbecil and stop wasting my time. Your lefty sanctimony is odius and nauseating.
Underground906 10 months ago
@Underground906 Yes, the Democrats are NOT left-wing. Sorry to burst your bubble, you right-wing dolt. The Democrats are as much a capitalist party as the Republicans. True left-wing is anti-capitalist; always has been the true definition of left-wing. The fact that right-wing dolts like you brand Democrats as "left-wing" is a tactic which limits possibilities, i.e. the Democrats are already left-wing, therefore there isn't anything that needs to be done beyond electing more Democrats. Fuck you.
bapyou 7 months ago in playlist David Harvey
@bapyou You fucking jumped up little turd. You don't get to decide the definition of Left-wing you fucking cock. You're talking specifically about Socialism/Communism and saying that is 'left-wing', and nothing else is. Which is ridiculous. ''True'' Left-Wing? You just go on to repeat and reaffirm what I said in my earlier post to you. There is a reason why all anti-capitalist governments have murdered so many dissenters. They are full of hateful nutcases like you.
Underground906 7 months ago
@Underground906 "You don't get to decide the definition of Left-wing"
And who decides? Right-wingers? What a stupid fuck you are.
"Socialism/Communism . . . that is 'left-wing', and nothing else."
Correct. And throw in the anarchists as well. Those constitute left-wing; not pro-capitalist Democrats. In Europe these are the parameters that are understood.
In America propgandized dolts like you -- incapable of farting crosswise in the dark -- think they actually know something.
Go F urself.
bapyou 7 months ago
@bapyou ''And who decides? Right-wingers? What a stupid fuck you are.'' The fact that the only alternative to you in who gets to decide must be right-wingers, and that fact that you assume I meant that shows what a complete fucking idiot you are. Like every single other postering lefty moron I have come across, you think in stereotypes and mischaraterization when it comes to people who disagree and never the real reality for why they do. I'm from the UK. You know nothing you cliche.
Underground906 7 months ago
Long despised Lefties. But listened to Mr Harvey and felt that injustice again and understood where they were coming from. Then I read a straightfaced comment like this ''Are we ever going to have utopia?'' And I realize Neoliberalism was more of a reaction against the communists who wanted to bring them down based on a real belief that a socialist utopia can exist, and immediate any revolutionary fervour I may have for the class war evaporates and I remember the slaughter in previous pursuits.
Underground906 1 year ago
Is he saying that US imperial policies would not exist if the foreign country's elite did not envoke US intervention? There is documentation that US CEOs were very influential with Kissinger and Nixon in the planning of the Chilean coup. Pepsi's CEO Donald Kendall and ITT's board member John McCone pressed for action against Allende, for example
canaan1967 1 year ago
Another great lecture by David Harvey. No war but class war.
@ProFreeSpeech Could you give me the source? When and where was it held? Thanks!
Thias81 1 year ago 2
Lets get up and start the class war.
ANTIDALLARD 1 year ago 2
enlightening, thanks so much for posting
rhythmofchains 2 years ago
Fourth time posting here:
I listen to this talk every few months or so. Every time I listen it gives me strength .
bapyou 2 years ago
The state promoting "free markets" in "neoliberalism" is like the church promoting sex in marriage. Just like sex the "free market" is an exchange between parties. In the former or latter, the state or church controls the exchange by the enforcement of regulation or dogma. We can't leave out the global banks, for those exchanges that require financing; if the bank says no, the party is over. Now the state is the church, banks are God, and we still have sinners. Are we ever going to have utopia?
Mike10four 2 years ago
I hope this gem of clarity will reach many on youtube.
GodlessXVIII 2 years ago 2
Great post PorFreeSpeech! Thanks!
brawnsley 2 years ago
FUCK THE POLICE!!
im off to push some suits over!
djboony 2 years ago
"If it looks like class war, and it feels like class war why don't we call it that, and engage in it back?" thanx for posting these clips.
P A Z
anthropographer 2 years ago
Well said, Mr. Harvey. Well said.
bapyou 2 years ago 3
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Capitalist class? What is that? Are the capitalists making less than $30000? Oh of course not, because everyone uses the Marxian term. So capitalism is a compete farce. It doesn't exist. State-capitalism is just another term for neo-feudalism.
motina10 3 years ago
Thanks for posting:)!!! this helped me a lot!
zumwane 3 years ago
LETS MUTINY!
BigOrang10 3 years ago 4
why don't you mutiny and let us know how it works!
mthomas1776 2 years ago
Thanks for posting!
uea978 3 years ago
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NO to the temporary contract labour laws!
NO to the temporary workers trading societies
(adecco,manpower,etc) -the modern slave traders!
NO to worker displacement without a right cause!
NO to the Friedman-Chicago University's Neoliberalism totalitarism!
Up with workers solidarity
Up with May Day!
oddcoupple 3 years ago 10
if it looks like class war, and it feels like class war......
Bigmartinno1 3 years ago 3
Never mind the class war. Did you see the video of a bunny eating a bannana? Oh, my cell phone is ringing, gotta go.
noliketoregister 3 years ago 6
LOL!
bapyou 3 years ago
it seems like a few gamble with the resources and lives of many
bewambay 3 years ago 3
Read the New Imperialism by David Harvey and make sense out of what is happening in the world !
nickglais 4 years ago 2
Sweden is a good example into European Union to break Social Democracy something that could not be done at the national level.
nickglais 4 years ago 2
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Hahahahahaha LOL :D
bearsy4usa 4 years ago
DAMN AMERICA, wake up! I have been preaching this for decades! Organize now to take action against elites stealing our tax dollars which steals our education, pensions, public security, health,etc.. PLEASE DON'T LET ME DOWN. I am leaving for a better country however I will stay if it changes here
Marly61 4 years ago 5
Thanks for hintning me to Harvey. I would never found this lecture. Great. No conspiricy theory, but a concious upper-class strategy.
Chappuisat 4 years ago 4
Welcome, please keep me informed if you see anything interesting. Thanks,
Marly61 4 years ago
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MarxistMuzzieMarly61 you really are full of shit. You don't live in the USA. QUIT LYING AND BEGGING.
You are a complete MORON...
Reagan was the GREATEST PRESIDENT OF THE 20th CENTURY.....now go back to what ever it is that you do in that turdworldtoilet of a country you live in...most likely a pig herder.
bearsy4usa 4 years ago
stfu you dumb piece of right wing shit. You're obviously a retard who would support going against his own interests, unless you happen to be one of those wealthy Americans, which you probably aren't any. You're probably just a dumbass. Reagan wouldn't have given two shits about you.
quixotic115 3 years ago 12
q,
well said brah.
HA HA fucking HA
roundnround1 3 years ago
I just say the truth haha
quixotic115 3 years ago
@quixotic115 I fapped to this.
delusivex 1 month ago
"If it looks like class war, and it feels like class war, why don't we call it class war? And why don't we engagde in it back?"
Awesome vid. Remember Anticonsumer.
vforvoltaire 4 years ago 26
Wow! This is an incredible story. Thank you so much for posting this video.
pickitupp 4 years ago 4
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Yes it is a STORY...PURE FICTION. Don't be so gullible folks. MarlytheMarxistMuzzie is a LIAR.
bearsy4usa 4 years ago
"Don't be so gullible folks"
No one so gullible as those who would stick up for the wealthy. That means YOU, son.
bapyou 2 years ago 3