Thanks for being a THIRD person to correct 7undreissig's lies, but
YOU QUOTED THE UN ITSELF regarding Israel's GC status, and...7undreissig still doesn't believe you (as if UN.ORG is just "stuff other people right on internetsites"): he's insane, mentally-incompetent.
Are youtube readers going to believe 7undreissig or your easy-to-find (goo.gIe) quote of the UN itself ? (7undreissig IS the idiot making-up "stuff...on internet sites" and not referencing ANY of his claims/lies.)
yep. if gaza was on the moon you might be right. its no need proving im right go check for yourself. look it up. dont rely on stuff other people right on internetsites. its just a code of ones and zeros, it wont tell anything about reality. watch videos of gaza, compare to hague and GC. then again tell me im wrong.
answer me, why change hague? why wont they sign it if almost half of the leading western countries signed? why doesnt us gov sign kioto? because they dint want to.
The U.N. “found that Israel’s blockade of Hamas-ruled Gaza is LEGAL" ...and that ISR "owes no apology or reparation to Turkey.”
~~THE TELEGRAPH 7-7-11 online~~
also "justified in stopping vessels even OUTSIDE ITS TERRITORIAL WATERS."
So, sorry to shit on the parade of lies from propagandists, & all those who think they know more than they actually know about international law like 7undreissig ("doesnt have a single right to stop...on interntational waters.") :-) Okay I'm not sorry, hahahaha!
how can israel so schizophrenic to make use of GC but wont sign its law (Hague Convention respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land) ?? please find out for me if you can. hahaha. youre so stupid you probably kissed a heap of poo if stuck a picture of your girlfriend on it. wich should mean that everything that glitters mustnt be gold. and not everybody how claims to be your friend and helper is necessarily a good guy.
im not sorry to blow your triumph you were masturbating on for weeks.
lets sum this up. you still are not able to tell me why israel does not sign the law of the GC though they accept the GC.every lawyer will tell you that this is a mistake put out by politicians on purpose if you ask anyone.how can a nation profit of a convention when it does not accept its laws?this i fundamental fail of the system.the blockade can only be legal because israel didnt sign hague.get it?
@7undreissig they indeed killed 7 people with pistols they were carrying in their bags. it was after they got fired. in the begining they only had paintball guns, and you can see that in the movie (around 2:55). i'm not that stupid.
and about the missing scenes? it's army material. i don't know who got to put his hands on it, but obviously an army don't public everything they film.
its from haaretz,no criticism against israel allowed!
you forgot this:
1.The report says Israeli commandos used excessive force against the Mavi Marmara's passengers.
2.Israel would have been better off waiting until the flotilla was closer to the blockade line and was 20 miles from shore.
3.The comission still has not decided over compensations to be payed by israel. Should it choose to, it could put money into a special humanitarian fund set up for this purpose, Palmer added.
so why should they be thinking of compensations to be payed if israel hasnt done anything bad? germany had to pay huge amounts of compensations after WW1 and WW2 and it was their right to do a war. but was it the best choice?
israel doesnt have a single right to stop any ship on interntational waters. ive wouldve kicked any idf soldier trying to bother my of the ship! thats what i call justice, now you dirty idf mofos know know how it is getting assaulted when not beeing able to defend one self !!
the idf soldiers can call themselves lucky they were attacked by activists and not by palestinians. no jew wouldve survived.
CLAIM: "israel doesnt have a single right to...in int'l waters"
In Geneva Conv's, one DOES have a right to self-defense which includes occupying & SECURING areas from which you're attacked: e.g. INSPECT to keep weapons from the enemy, Hamas
But in Maritime Law there's no right to board 3rd-party (Turk) in INT'L water (unless crew became "combatants" by aiding war-effort, etc)
So we have 2 conflicting laws: it's subject to interpretation & both sides predictably interp it in their own favor.
ok, i got another view of that, but i dont think its usefull arguying with you about it. so lets focus on other things.
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU ??? by aiding war effort??? what kind of war effort? giving sling shots to palestanians? handing out metal tubes and wooden sticks? your kidding!!! silly.
and last but not least israel doesn't aggree with genevas convention. did you know that? they ever signed it and never will. you got lowest morale if trying relate to it.
@7undreissig Gazans launch shells, & use bombs & guns, so you sound...reality-challenged: "war effort? giving sling shots to palestanians? ... your kidding!!! silly."
Israel DID sign the GC's (and RATIFIED em), as ICRC & BBC will confirm if you search "Israel Geneva Conventions": reality-challenged AGAIN.
ISR noted,as they signed, that GC's give certain rights ONLY FOR OTHER GC NATIONS.
Turkey never signed Rome Statute (Kurds/Armen/Cyprus :-) ) so good luck capturing IDF soldiers for trial LOL
yes your right, my mistake. i meant haager landkriegsordnung (german) i dont know whats i t in english but we both know that that GC is only a convention, and not binding law such as a constution or the "HAAGER LANDKRIEGSORDNUNG". which is the codyfied LAW of the GC. so why sighn GC but not its law? eh tell me that smart guy. anyway for example US & ISRAEL didnt sign the haager landkriegsordnung because then both would make themselves guilty in war crimes.
you seem to have dementia. your answering to my comment but fail to relate to my content. once again for you, clear and simple.
you said: war-aiding effort on flottile. that was the reason and the right for IDF to attack the ship. what was on the ship? sling shots and sticks? now you are talking about gazans shooting shells and using bombs? cmon. drugs are bad!
Learn English, then maybe I'd understand your point and you'd stop putting words into my mouth that I never said:
What I said gave IDF a right to INSPECT (not to "attack") the ship was that GC's allow any nation to keep weapons out of a region they were attacked from. I already agree they weren't re-arming Hamas w/this small amount of weapons...but what the flotilla DID use was deadly weapons...not enough to re-arm Hamas with, but enough that IDF then needed to defend their own bodies.
my english us fine, ur capability of understanding is ignorant in its best case.your the first one to complain about not understanding me. stop clowning around.
whats so diificult in understanding that a convention is not the same like a constitution. aggreeing to it has got no consequences in contrary to law. you know?a treaty is not the same like a contract? you get it? ah just dont answer please this is my last answer to your nonsense. i hope youll change your consiousness.
naive kid... are so stupid to believe the idf came to inspect the flotille?they attacked the ship as soon as possible! and you think you saw all of the video material?
police attackes people at G8, militia in africa, and for example the idf. they attack àctivists massively so they know they might die. but honest people dont let them scare away with such primitive means.
besides that your saying israel was attack out of the water? a region theyre attacked from? haha rediculous.
@7undreissig you argue like an ass. who said something about arming gaza??they didn't go there to arm gaza, as well as to bring aid. they only came to create another provocation.
see the paintball guns the soldiers have (2:55). and the activists are not stupid like you, swallowing shit propaganda. they knew exactly what's going to be. that the IDF will fight them with kids paintball guns. and they arrived well ready for these "guns", don't you think?
asses cant argue. your comparation is stupid and your comprehension is weak. i didnt claim the flotille tried to arm gaza. i argued against that point but youre too stupid to read and understand.
and yes of course they tried to provoke this is one powerful instrument of pulling publics attention. it did you think jews are the only ones who found out about it? no. silly.
ok smart guy. if the idf only used paintball guns how did they manage to kill 15 people (or like israel says 9) ?? with gotcha guns? cmon!!!! you cant be that stupid.
ever wondered why there are no pictures of dead bodies? ever wondered why there is only 7minutes video material of the complete action? dont wonder about missing szenes? no? youre simply too dumb!
@shooshoobob1 hmm let me think if they had real guns, their intention was to kill you and they came by suprise yes. But in this case they were armed with paintball guns, had warned the ship in advance and told people to turn around or they would be boarded.
@salobeans why else would they attack with elite commandos in the middle of the night if their intention wasn't to harm people? and in international waters, this was no more an act of self defense than bp is environmentally friendly. they could have easily stopped the boat in the daytime hours without elite commandos
@shooshoobob1 becxause they are the best trained to handle the situation and have specialty in naval warfare. at night because it gives them the advantage of surprise.
@salobeans why did they need to suprise them? why would they need people who specialize in naval warfare for a civilian vessel? in any other country it would have been the coast guard. the israelis shot themselves in the foot when they decided to suprise them with commandos
@shooshoobob1 why didnt they kill evey person onn every ship? Not just the mavi marmara but the other ships along with the mavi marmara? why didnt they just send a missles to the ships to blow them up instead of risking the lives of their soldiers?
@shooshoobob1 true, they could have done that, Israel is quite addicted to using military force when it is comepletely unnecessary, or overkilling...all in the name of its security fetish
@shooshoobob1 it was standard protocol. Gaza is under a blockade and thus meaning every thing that goes in must be checked. Israel does not have a coast gaurd or any kind of large navy. the only people trained for this was the shayetet 13 who were the commandos who took over the ship. they came with armed paintball guns. If they truley intended to kill people would they have come with uzis or tavors or even m16s
@shooshoobob1 Botched raid. No it was a sucess. the ship did not accomplish the goal of reaching gaza. The only thing shocking was that the people on the ship were ready to kill. They thought they were getting on a ship with hippies not terrorists. dont change the subject about settlements. You want to talk about settlements that is a totally different subject.
@salobeans well israel attacked in international waters, that's an act of piracy, so the people weren't hippies, that doesn't mean everyone who takes a stand against israeli arrogance is a terrorist...and i'm not trying to change the subject, just saying netanyahu needed a good distraction
@shooshoobob1 it is also allowed to board a ship on international waters to prevent a ship breaching a blockade as long as you warn the ship before hand it will be boarded. How many times do you see somali pirates warning they will board a ship?
@salobeans "How many times do you see somali pirates warning they will board a ship?" thats nothing about somalis? this whole debacle shows how israel's addiction to military force is basically shooting themselves in the foot
@shooshoobob1 no one on the other ships were hurt they had no intention to kill and you can tell that by what the soldiers themselves said the video proves it. Pirates dont warn people they are going to board a ship. Israel warned the ship to turn or they would be boarded.
@salobeans actually, there were some serious injuries on some of the other ships, they just weren't as publicized as the mavi marmara, because an american citizen got shot about five times (at least once in the head) aboard the marmara, and because it was the lead ship
@shooshoobob1 really i would be interested in seeing it. If israel did wrong and it is clearly a violation i will condemn it but as far as the facts I have seen the IDF acted apropriately on the ship of the Mavi Marmara. If there were situations on the other ship people were beaten just for the sake of it than there is a serious problem. Show me the evidence.
@shooshoobob1 well let me see hundreds of people on a boat and you are just one of 30 commandos. All the people have bats, and weapons on the ship trying to kill you. Obivious you will act to save yourself.
@salobeans he was down after the first shot, why was it necessary to shoot him five more times? i would say given Israel's track record it was a blatant violation of international law
@shooshoobob1 there is terrorits under that age, in gasa part of the kids learnd to hate Israel and to die for kiling other peaple cinse they 6 years old, they talking about getting enter to heaven' about giha'ad, and they realize it arount the ages 15-25, this is how it was until Israel stoped it-before five-four years.
@shooshoobob1 i didn't said something like that at all! On the contrary, I know some palestinias-very good guys. I belive that most of the palestinias are good men and women, but there is group of peaple that appropriate to what I described. that 19's years old may be one of them. man that threated on human's life. The solider stayed without any option.
@zimakmuk the kid was an apsiring doctor studying in Turkey, and given Israel's track record for violence against civilians i'd say he was right to defend himself
@shooshoobob1 from what? a paintball gan? belive me, I played paintball and survived it. the soliders had a real personal guns for self defending, they used it just when they were in risk of life, at very selective way, you are talking here about young men that part of them had families. you thimk that thise peaple, that they are number of the most humanty soliders in the IDF, they grandparents were in
the holocaust, you think that this peaple will kill without any reason? he had right to defend himself, but I think that it's mutch more logical to think that he made that human's life will be in danger. don't forget, so he was a doctor? so what? terrorist can't be a doctor? maybe he also watch the TV shows of ASHAF when eh was ten
years old. there micki mouse talked about die in Jihad and how US and Israel are evil. If we are the strong side in the story it isn't make us evil and cruel, how could you forget the intifada before tow years? maybe that boy learnd to be like that...
@shooshoobob1 our military is the last place that will be conncted to religious extremism, you should know that the religious extremism (if we really can call it like that, after all, it's very not judaistic to be extermism) is against the army in most of the cases.
@zimakmuk true, that is a good point, but the government itself is very in favor of those people (settlers and the like) and also doesn't represent the people (then again, when does ANY government?)
@salobeans maybe you should take the time to see other points of view than this right wing nationalist propoganda, if what Israel did was in self defense then BP is an environmental company
@shooshoobob1 dude look they were provactors. They came looking for a fight and they got what they deserved end of story. They had bats and knives and soldiers were stabbed. they came to kill. so israel fought back
@salobeans they came with supplies, the weapons they used were pipes and sticks and whatever was on the boats, they knew Israel's policy is to shoot civilians so they defended themselves, then Israel had the nerve to label them terrorists
@shooshoobob1 pipes and sticks are a weapon. the commandos had paintball guns and a pistol as last resort. you heard them say so yourself. if you were the soldiers what would you do? Also if israel policy is to kill civilians than why are there arabs alive in gaza and the west bank alive and well.
@salobeans they're not conducting any major operation, during operation cast lead they targeted civilians, used children as vanguards and sniper bait and dropped white phosphorous on people, that's a campaign of terror if i ever saw one, and how come they didn't use the paintball guns? how come they shot people multiple times, and if these people on the boat were really terrorists how come they were treating wounded soldiers?
@shooshoobob1 they took out several terrorists reduced rocket attacks on sderot that sounds like a major operation. Everything else was collateral damage. It happens ever war there are civilian causualties its part of war. Hamas used those kids as shields. White phosphorus was meant to be used as cover because the IDF was going to land roof to roof on the buildings to take out hamas. /the white phospurus fell on the ground it was an accident.
@shooshoobob1 they were treating the soldiers so they could keep them hostage so when they filmed them it would appear they were safe and use them as a bargaining chip to lift the blockade. Terrorists do this all the time.
@salobeans what constitutes a terrorist? killing civilians? IDF has that in the bag. using human shields? what do ya know, IDF does that as well. kidnappings? hmm IDF does that too, IDF are full blown terrorists, the only difference between them and groups like Hamas is that IDF has American tax payer money funding it, and no these people aren't terrorists they were people who made a stand
@shooshoobob1 a terrorist is someone who kills people to change the politcal or social sphere of the country they live in. in terms of hamas they want to kill all jews and destroy israel. as for hamas they also get funding from the US, europe, iran and other countries as well.
@salobeans and in terms of Israel, they seek to undermine the peace process to get "greater israel" Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by the West, including the US, so no they dont get funding from America
@salobeans and none of the 8 democratic parties want peace, they only want to displace the indigenous people. and true hamas is a plague, secular is the only way to go
@shooshoobob1 oh really. What about meretz, what about kadima, what about Labor, Balad, hadash, or Ta'al. Before you spute nonsense why dont you research these parties than get back to me
@salobeans then why has Israel refused it's responsibilities on the road map? PLO filled its obligation by recognizing Israel, in exchange for what? recognition of limited autonomy? and the government refuses to halt the settlements and denies Palestinians access to water in the West Bank, even if a state is created there it'll be like dozens of Gaza Strips. Likud is the absolute worst
@shooshoobob1 plo did not fullfill it. They did not stop incitement. Israel gave them autonomy and recognized the plo as representatives of the arabs in the west bank. If anything the arabs take the water from the settlers. they drill holes in the pipe lines, they dont even have proper water conservation. The israelis have to put special things on focets and reduce thier water usage. For your information the government has already put a freeze on settlements which is horrible and anti jewish
@salobeans Israel never stopped the incitement, lack of goodwill on Israel's part is met with lack of trust on the Palestian part. The IDF is either complacent or joining in when the settlers attack wells and farms and anything else the Palestinians have left. the Israelis are being anti semitic against the Palestinians. and how is stopping land theft anti Jewish?
@shooshoobob1 Israel has never incited against arabs. How can you trust the PA government when they themselves try to kill jews. Joining in when settlers attack. those settlers are acting in self defense. Those settlers bar up their homes from arab terrorists. They attack wells? Farms they do because the arabs push them to do it. No the israelis are being anti semitic against jews because they destory jewish homes in the west bank. Arrest jews and destory their homes even deporting them
@salobeans the settlements are an incitement. and now who's the one spewing nonsense, self defense? are you kidding, the squatters are terrorists, shooting palestinians and building illegal outposts, if what they do is in self defense then iran is a democracy. why is the military not doing anything about the price tag terrorist tactic? the squatters get no canisters in the face, they don't get any kind of punishment
@shooshoobob1 they get them of the road because of the danger they pose to jewish drivers. Secondly they get so much water that they steal a lot of water from the settlements and from israel that they are the major problem to the country's water issue
@salobeans i'd say the squatters are a bigger threat, they even attack their fellow countrymen. the palestinians throw stones, the squatters shoot. its not stealing when the the settlement is illegal, the israeli government should just throw the squatters out
@shooshoobob1 those setlters buy the land from the arabs. and the settlers shoot in self defense the palestinians kill just to kil and they use rocks, guns and axes. They kill countless jews every day. And yet the government evicts the settlers.
@salobeans oh yeah? countless jews? that would mean Israel would be depopulated. please stop repeating whatever bibi says. look at what the gov't does to the Bedouin, who are loyal and join the IDF, i don't think the Israeli government will soon respect an Arabs right to live on his own land
@shooshoobob1 many of those beduins are building illegal homes in the negev without permits NOt all join the idf. Many volunteer. Even so many steel cars and commit crimes. Are you a jew? Not many nonjews use the word bibi.
@salobeans the indigenous Bedouin have claim to the land they've lived on for thousands of years, they should get priority over the Polish immigrants displacing them. the government is trying to force them to give up their lifestyle, in the process alienating a loyal part of their population, and you act as if they're the only ones who commit crimes, there are also poorer Jews who commit crimes, but Jews get priority over everyone else and there lies the problem
@shooshoobob1 Jews are indigineous to that land. there havent been polish immigrants since world war two. No jews committ crimes too and the majority of jews live in poverty compared to all the arabs in israel. Those beduins broke the law in building homes without a permit. thus they broke the law and had to have the homes distroyed. they are welcomed to move to beer sheba and live in a nice apartment
@salobeans the government is trying to force them to give up their lifestyle, of course they're not gonna stop. they're nomads and the government is wrong to force them to become sedentary, they risk losing the loyalty of that population. and there is no Jewish race, Israel is white country, most are decended from eastern Europeans who came after the holocaust I.E. Polish people with Hebrew sounding names. Jews live in poverty compared to Arabs? some Jewish state then
@shooshoobob1 all jews come from the same place it is in our genes. And the majority of israelis are from arab countries. Those European jews you speak about have the same genetic makeup as their brethern from arab countries. These beduins must get use to living in the 21 century and they cant function properly in society if they continue living how they did for centuries. It is an epidemic in israel with many jews going hungry every day. There are many social problems like any other nation
@salobeans the Bedouin can adapt to the 21st century while maintaining their traditional ways, there's an old Lakota saying, "force no matter how concealed begets resistance" if the government keeps trying to force them to become sedentary, it''l end bad. and Israel has its problems true, but if you're trying to say the Jews are worse off than the Arabs there i say show me your proof, look at an Arab neighborhood or Bedouin village, then look at a Jewish one and tell me which has it better
@shooshoobob1 can't even provide for it's own people, or are you just saying that to try and have an argument? Israel is a developed country and its Jews live in comfort, but it's a society just for Jews, everyone else is second class citizens, even indigenous Bedouin, sorta like how indigenous Americans have been for over a hundred years and relegated to land not suitable for habitation
@shooshoobob1 maybe its the fact arabs dont pay taxes. There are a million jewish children who go hungry every day in israel. I have never seen an arab beg from money in Israel. There are only jewish beggers on the street. Accorrding to Haaretz 24 percent of israel are poor half are jews the rest are arabs, and non jewish russians
@salobeans where are you getting all this information? in case you haven't noticed Israel is a fully developed country where its Jewish majority live in comfort, Jews also have a huge advantage in employment, 36 of the 40 least employed towns in Israel are Arab majority towns, that and wages for Jews are higher than for Arabs, all citizens pay taxes, and if you see a Jewish neighborhood next to an Arab one the Jewish one is usually way better off
@shooshoobob1 Of course there is more employment in jewish cities than arab cities. Where do you think all the arabs work? In Israel there are more arabs in colleges and universities than jews and growing. Not all citizens pay taxes the arabs get away with it. They have for years. That is not true that the jewish nieghborhoods are better off than arabs because I have walked through jerusalem, safed, tiberias and haifa I have never seen an arab begger on the street.
@salobeans you're saying Arabs in Israel are better off than Jews, that's like saying Blacks and Hispanics in America are better off then Whites, though i can understand the Arabs university population being bigger because they have a much younger population.
@shooshoobob1 jews are also a pretty young population but many are stuck in army service while arabs avoid the army and go straight to college. Many jews today are more religious than the past 20 years and decide to go to yeshiva intsead. There is also affirmative action so an arab has a better chance of going to college than a jew. Besides they are more educated and there are many successful arabs in israel. If that wasnt so they wouldnt have a problem going to ramalah to live with other arabs
@shooshoobob1 I have seen jewish children begging for money all the time. The only jewish neighborhood that truly has no real issues is Tel Aviv and that is because it is the wealthest city in israel with a very high price for real estate. Israel is going through the same problem as other developed countries which is the big division between the rich and poor and a shrinking middle class.
@salobeans the minority population is usually worse off than the majority, with the exception being apartheid South Africa, in Israel the government puts priority in in Jewish citizens and so naturally the Jewish population is gonna be better off than the Arabs who are second class citizens in Israeli society, Beta Israel are also heavily discriminated against on i side note
@shooshoobob1 israel is filled with several different minorities. the one who really is priviledged is ashkanazi jews who have been in israel for 5 or 6 generations. but to say jews have it better than arabs is wrong and inaccurate. For your information the Ashkanzim are the minority both among the jews and the rest of the israeli population.
@salobeans but to say Jewish citizens have it worse than non Jewish citizens is just a complete farce, show me proof of this, look at Tel Aviv then look at Nazareth
@salobeans also, since you allege that Arabs generally have it better than Jews in Israel, would you also say that the Blacks and Hispanics over there in Florida generally have it better than the Whites?
@salobeans but would you say theyre generally better off than the whites? go to miami or opa locka and look at the neighborhoods there and tell me who's better off
@salobeans my point is that when you say that Jews in Israel have it worse than Arabs, that's like saying Whites in the USA have it worse than Blacks and Hispanics
@salobeans except for south africa, which is still facing the aftermath of apartheid, and all of the settler countries displace their indigenous populations, the only difference with israel is that its still going on and can be stopped but bibi doesnt want peace and is trying to piss of the bedouin
@salobeans judaism isn't an ethnicity, its a religion, if i converted right now i'd be a jew. the jews in israel are just polish/german/other eastern european people with hebrew sounding names, the palestinians represent a genetic population thats been there before judaism. as for the bedouin, in the negev not just bibi but every successive government has been forcing them to give up their lifestyle, and in the jordan valley their land is declared a live fire zone
@shooshoobob1 no judaism is a nation not a religion. Genetic tests show the jews are all linked by DNA. Most beduins themselves where jews who converted to islam.The majority of jews are from middleastern countries not european
@salobeans actually, put together Mediterranean and middle eastern jews are the majority, but they aren't one group, Ashkenazi are the single largest ethnic group not only in Israel but all of Jewry. and if such is the case for the Bedouin, why are the Israelis expelling them and forcing them to assimilate...its a lot like how wherever Jews went they themselves were forced to assimilate
...and actually Palestinians don't have significant DNA that is pre-Judean:
e.g. Oppenheim (often quoted by pro-Palestinians) showed Pali's have even more negroid DNA (than DNA of pre-Judeans like Canaanites). So, will Palestinians also claim Native Rights to sub-Sahara next?? They should be claiming it THERE, BEFORE "WEST OF THE JORDAN RIVER," since more of their DNA is sub-Saharan...
BUT Arabian Peninsula is their true Ancestral Homeland
@ThalamusMinimus Going by your logic, the Jews have no ancestral right since the OVERWHELMING majority of modern Jews are descended from converts, so a Polish Jew is just that....Polish, Persian Jews are Persian and so on...going by your logic of course. Your own source (Oppenheim) shows that Palestinians are overall and indigenous Levantine people with varying degrees of admixture, so actually read the whole thing instead of picking and choosing what's coneveniant to you.
@shooshoobob1 That's quite a leap away from my own logic, which is that only the NON-convert Jews have Native rights, and then (as with any nation) were allowed to set their own migration policies which means they may or may not allow in converted-Jews as they see fit. They have seen fit.
(I'll speak for myself so you don't ever need to put false words in my mouth again, k thx.)
Where do you get the "fact" that an "overwhelming majoirty" today are converts? And what do you consider "modern"?
@ThalamusMinimus Except only a few Jews aren't descended from converts, most of the worlds Jews are European (Ashkenazi), and most Israeli Jews are from elsewhere in the Middle East, who descended from Middle Eastern converts. I never said that all Jews are converts, when the Jews dispersed way back when, they intermarried with the people of whatever country they settled, to the point where Hebrew heritage is negligible in todays Jewish people.
"most of the worlds Jews are European (Ashkenazi)"
...and DNA of Ashkenazi is mostly-Judean/MEast according to:
* Hammer et al 2000
* and various Oppenheim et al studies
(and Sephardi+Mizrahi outnumber the Ashken, so they aren't "most" as you claim)
"I never said that YOU said "all Jews are converts"; I QUOTED you saying "overwhelming majority" are, now you're trying to deflect from the fact u were BS'ing again
P.S. Armenian DNA is also moot: Armnians went to Judea not vice-versa
"Your own source (Oppenheim) shows that Palestinians are overall and indigenous Levantine people..."
A.) No, Oppenheim says "PART OF the Arab-Israeli / Palestinian pop is mainly descended from local CHRISTIANS (not even native) and Jews 'who had converted..." You must drop the "part of" & include the Christians to arrive at your MANGLING of her work (so YOU should read ALL she wrote) & Oppenheim goes on to expose that it's a small part of the (to quote you) "overall" Pali DNA.
@ThalamusMinimus "One DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim concluded that genetic evidence coincides with historical accounts that at least part of the Arab Israeli and Palestinian population is mainly descended from local Christians and Jews "who had converted [to Islam] after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century A.D." continued in part 2
@ThalamusMinimus Also, Oppenheim goes even further to say that on the genetic level, Jews are more related to Kurds and other fertile crescent people, so again it's a good idea to actually read your source instead of picking out conveniant spots.
@shooshoobob1 "Jews are more related to Kurds..." It's well-noted in history books (and IIRC, even Oppenheim herself notes this...) that a powerful prince from their region went to Judea & was welcomed (and yes it was before many Arabs even got there), so --as with many of the other distortions & half-truths you just made, not to mention the outright fabrications e.g. regarding the DNA & population of Ashkenazi versus other Jews-- you should look at the BIG PICTURE of DNA **coupled to** HISTORY.
@ThalamusMinimus A.) So one prince had put his seed in every single Jew in the region?
B.) "Although in the 11th century, they composed only 3 percent of the world's Jewish population, at their peak in 1931, Ashkenazi Jews accounted for 92 percent of the world's Jews. Today they make up approximately 80 percent of Jews worldwide."
B.) You're getting the 80% from a "not in citation given" on Wikipedia; check the source which Wikipedia gives, then contrast it to (search for the below quote plus "simpletoremember dart com"):
"Europe, including [the FSU] and Turkey, accounts for about 12 percent of the total...United States (20.1), Canada (11.9)" so I'd say I was also wrong for accepting salobeans' claim just b/c you hadn't disputed it. ;-)
A.) U were proven wrong on 5-10 DNA issues, so pls excuse for not believing you on this unsupported claim. Small pop millennia ago compared to today means it is POSSIBLE, but how PROBABLE you nor I have expertise to say.
B.) Already had ur citation, searched it for "80%" & "80 percent": not in citation given & like I showed, similar Jewish websites disagree --markedly-- with 80%.
Isn't nearly as important as our earlier posts anyway, b/c Hammer shows Ashkenaz ARE mostly MEast DNA.
@salobeans they sent the best because they felt they would be able to get the job done with no causaulties or problems. They used commandos the other time when another ship tried to break the blockade without incident because no one fought them.
Yeah nice! There really are people who believe in this Compilation of Fairytales, suitable to an Emperors policy, of concentrating power into one spot.
The funniest thing about this is, it's the same with all of the religions based upon the old testament.
All those books where written down to be suitable to a certain situation and a certain man or small group of people.
And still.... there are morons who kill in the name of this bullshit, just because there are frightend by the real world.
It's Jews (sons of Israel) who killed Jesus, as you know! So think agan who you support wheather your god jesus or his murderers.
They killed Jesus, now they kill children and innocent people.
USA spends trillions of dollars on Israel while US citizen lose their homes, have no healthcare. Think again Israelis have already been killing your nation by anti-nation taxation, healthcare and ecology policies.
@roustem1 Hey stupid fuck.You call yourself Christian? If you were then you would know the Jews did EXACTLY as the BIBLE said they would towards the Messiah.
They played the role God set for them back then.Every thing that happened to Jesus did so according to prophacy.
The fromation of isreal and this unrest???? also prophecised...
you afraid from all your Arabs citizen on yours country ? ok. Israel is the only little country that don't afraid from terror. the dark time is come on all world.
and if the world want a WW3 ok.. but remember if Israel will be destroyed all this fucking world will be destroyed SHALOM
reminding all world the blockade in Gaza begining after we go out from Gaza and still the hamas terror organization send on Israel 4000 rockets.. Gaza can receive all humanitarian needs thru Israel and Egypt border so is no humanitarian blacked only weapon blockade. and to remained all this " humanitarian country" like Turkish or Iran
when the Arab understand they can't take Israel by force they start to send all this rockets on Israel land . this is the first time in history a state is bean attack by so many rockets . but this don't brake Israel .so they start a new trick to lie all the world for humanitarian needs and send all this ships for break the blockade in Gaza.
For all world.who forgot the history. ... ONU devide the land of Israel betewin arabs and jews .the Arabs don't want the partition and start war . they lose.. Israel all this years want to change peace for land .. but Arabs opposed. they want all Israel land and start a new war and lose again.. .. they try all the time take the land by force . and start to build terror organizations like , hamas, hisbala and more.
Whay the turkish don't send a Umanitarian ships to Kirgistan there are 100,000 refugee so far , you have 2 faces and hypocritical people fuck you all , where its all yours war ships ? come to gaza COME. YOU FUCKING stupid people.
This is most ridicilous propoganda out here. I was on the Mavi Marmara, and there is one thing I can be sure of is that there were no guns on board. The Israeli commandos started shooting live rounds from the apache's before any commando was sent down, the passengers were acting in self defense. On top of that Israeli commandos shot at least 2 people dead after the the white flag was raised and everybody stopped resisting. Commandos shot and threw passengers into the sea. Israel you cannot lie!
This is most ridicilous propoganda out here. I was on the Mavi Marmara, and there is one thing I can be sure of is that there were no guns on board. The Israeli commandos started shooting live rounds from the apache's before any commando was sent down, the passengers were acting in self defense. On top of that Israeli commandos shot at least 2 people dead after the the white flag was raised and everybody stopped resisting. Commandos shot and threw passengers into the sea. Israel you cannot lie!
"The Israeli commandos started shooting live rounds from the apache's before any commando was sent down, the passengers were acting in self defense"
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Let me see what would I do (PrviMajPirot1),
Scenario:
The most elite unit is jumping out of the Apache's helicopter and is well armed. I'm a peace activist, and I'm not a violent person, and I'm not armed. I hear shooting, I don't even know are they shooting live rounds or not but I hear shooting.
i wonder how these shameless people trying to defend and justify the unlawful MEDIEVEL blocakade of gaza.palestinians are being punished of voting for the people they wnted to rule.for example if we didnt wnt obama to be the president,,and by him becoming the president,USA is surrounded from all the four sides vd no inflow of food, water and medic..pity on such a cruel and reckless world...shame of the world community for defending SHITRAEL...SHITRAEL WILL HAVE TO LIFT THE BLOCKADE..FUK israel
One Serbin journalist that was on the ship said "the treatment of the captured people was brutal"... I am Serbian AND according to the video shown I belive that Israeli were the victims... By the way, the Serbian journalist said that before he saw the video and nobody asked him questions after that... Peace to the middle east...
Israel is risking the sympathies of the world. May it's on of the most powerful militaries... but without it's supporters it's just a bunch aggressive Megalomaniacs. Israel WILL go down, if it continues to give a shit about the rest of the world.
@r1e2e3m4t5e6 you stupid .Palestine was not ever a state. on this land live Arabs with Jews many generations . this land was colonies occupation by Turkish or England . when they go ONU give us and Palestinian a state dividing in 2 but arabs want ALL ,and start the WAR . 6 Arabs state against few Jews. Arabs lose the war . LEARN after you want to to throw us to sea don't CRY.
Still...our Bundestag is talking about Israel just now. And as long Israel doesn't let an international Commission judge about the incident, Germany will turn away from Israel..... sooner or later. Israel has to learn, it has to change it'spolicy, or it will be alon AND will go down afterwards! Try some reason, for once!
@Bioscilentist
Thanks for being a THIRD person to correct 7undreissig's lies, but
YOU QUOTED THE UN ITSELF regarding Israel's GC status, and...7undreissig still doesn't believe you (as if UN.ORG is just "stuff other people right on internetsites"): he's insane, mentally-incompetent.
Are youtube readers going to believe 7undreissig or your easy-to-find (goo.gIe) quote of the UN itself ? (7undreissig IS the idiot making-up "stuff...on internet sites" and not referencing ANY of his claims/lies.)
MrsJanetLaughs 7 months ago
@Bioscilentist
yep. if gaza was on the moon you might be right. its no need proving im right go check for yourself. look it up. dont rely on stuff other people right on internetsites. its just a code of ones and zeros, it wont tell anything about reality. watch videos of gaza, compare to hague and GC. then again tell me im wrong.
answer me, why change hague? why wont they sign it if almost half of the leading western countries signed? why doesnt us gov sign kioto? because they dint want to.
7undreissig 7 months ago
The U.N. “found that Israel’s blockade of Hamas-ruled Gaza is LEGAL" ...and that ISR "owes no apology or reparation to Turkey.”
~~THE TELEGRAPH 7-7-11 online~~
also "justified in stopping vessels even OUTSIDE ITS TERRITORIAL WATERS."
So, sorry to shit on the parade of lies from propagandists, & all those who think they know more than they actually know about international law like 7undreissig ("doesnt have a single right to stop...on interntational waters.") :-) Okay I'm not sorry, hahahaha!
ThalamusMinimus 7 months ago 6
@ThalamusMinimus
and you are still not answering to my MAIN POINT.
how can israel so schizophrenic to make use of GC but wont sign its law (Hague Convention respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land) ?? please find out for me if you can. hahaha. youre so stupid you probably kissed a heap of poo if stuck a picture of your girlfriend on it. wich should mean that everything that glitters mustnt be gold. and not everybody how claims to be your friend and helper is necessarily a good guy.
7undreissig 7 months ago
@ThalamusMinimus
im not sorry to blow your triumph you were masturbating on for weeks.
lets sum this up. you still are not able to tell me why israel does not sign the law of the GC though they accept the GC.every lawyer will tell you that this is a mistake put out by politicians on purpose if you ask anyone.how can a nation profit of a convention when it does not accept its laws?this i fundamental fail of the system.the blockade can only be legal because israel didnt sign hague.get it?
7undreissig 7 months ago
@7undreissig they indeed killed 7 people with pistols they were carrying in their bags. it was after they got fired. in the begining they only had paintball guns, and you can see that in the movie (around 2:55). i'm not that stupid.
and about the missing scenes? it's army material. i don't know who got to put his hands on it, but obviously an army don't public everything they film.
yaabraun 7 months ago
@ThalamusMinimus
its from haaretz,no criticism against israel allowed!
you forgot this:
1.The report says Israeli commandos used excessive force against the Mavi Marmara's passengers.
2.Israel would have been better off waiting until the flotilla was closer to the blockade line and was 20 miles from shore.
3.The comission still has not decided over compensations to be payed by israel. Should it choose to, it could put money into a special humanitarian fund set up for this purpose, Palmer added.
7undreissig 7 months ago
@ThalamusMinimus
so why should they be thinking of compensations to be payed if israel hasnt done anything bad? germany had to pay huge amounts of compensations after WW1 and WW2 and it was their right to do a war. but was it the best choice?
7undreissig 7 months ago
israel doesnt have a single right to stop any ship on interntational waters. ive wouldve kicked any idf soldier trying to bother my of the ship! thats what i call justice, now you dirty idf mofos know know how it is getting assaulted when not beeing able to defend one self !!
the idf soldiers can call themselves lucky they were attacked by activists and not by palestinians. no jew wouldve survived.
7undreissig 9 months ago
CLAIM: "israel doesnt have a single right to...in int'l waters"
In Geneva Conv's, one DOES have a right to self-defense which includes occupying & SECURING areas from which you're attacked: e.g. INSPECT to keep weapons from the enemy, Hamas
But in Maritime Law there's no right to board 3rd-party (Turk) in INT'L water (unless crew became "combatants" by aiding war-effort, etc)
So we have 2 conflicting laws: it's subject to interpretation & both sides predictably interp it in their own favor.
ThalamusMinimus 8 months ago
@ThalamusMinimus If that was self defense, then Iran is a secular democracy that respects human rights....
shooshoobob1 8 months ago
@ThalamusMinimus
ok, i got another view of that, but i dont think its usefull arguying with you about it. so lets focus on other things.
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU ??? by aiding war effort??? what kind of war effort? giving sling shots to palestanians? handing out metal tubes and wooden sticks? your kidding!!! silly.
and last but not least israel doesn't aggree with genevas convention. did you know that? they ever signed it and never will. you got lowest morale if trying relate to it.
7undreissig 8 months ago
@7undreissig Gazans launch shells, & use bombs & guns, so you sound...reality-challenged: "war effort? giving sling shots to palestanians? ... your kidding!!! silly."
Israel DID sign the GC's (and RATIFIED em), as ICRC & BBC will confirm if you search "Israel Geneva Conventions": reality-challenged AGAIN.
ISR noted,as they signed, that GC's give certain rights ONLY FOR OTHER GC NATIONS.
Turkey never signed Rome Statute (Kurds/Armen/Cyprus :-) ) so good luck capturing IDF soldiers for trial LOL
ThalamusMinimus 8 months ago 2
@ThalamusMinimus
yes your right, my mistake. i meant haager landkriegsordnung (german) i dont know whats i t in english but we both know that that GC is only a convention, and not binding law such as a constution or the "HAAGER LANDKRIEGSORDNUNG". which is the codyfied LAW of the GC. so why sighn GC but not its law? eh tell me that smart guy. anyway for example US & ISRAEL didnt sign the haager landkriegsordnung because then both would make themselves guilty in war crimes.
7undreissig 8 months ago
@ThalamusMinimus
you seem to have dementia. your answering to my comment but fail to relate to my content. once again for you, clear and simple.
you said: war-aiding effort on flottile. that was the reason and the right for IDF to attack the ship. what was on the ship? sling shots and sticks? now you are talking about gazans shooting shells and using bombs? cmon. drugs are bad!
7undreissig 8 months ago
Learn English, then maybe I'd understand your point and you'd stop putting words into my mouth that I never said:
What I said gave IDF a right to INSPECT (not to "attack") the ship was that GC's allow any nation to keep weapons out of a region they were attacked from. I already agree they weren't re-arming Hamas w/this small amount of weapons...but what the flotilla DID use was deadly weapons...not enough to re-arm Hamas with, but enough that IDF then needed to defend their own bodies.
ThalamusMinimus 7 months ago
@ThalamusMinimus
my english us fine, ur capability of understanding is ignorant in its best case.your the first one to complain about not understanding me. stop clowning around.
whats so diificult in understanding that a convention is not the same like a constitution. aggreeing to it has got no consequences in contrary to law. you know?a treaty is not the same like a contract? you get it? ah just dont answer please this is my last answer to your nonsense. i hope youll change your consiousness.
7undreissig 7 months ago
@ThalamusMinimus
naive kid... are so stupid to believe the idf came to inspect the flotille?they attacked the ship as soon as possible! and you think you saw all of the video material?
police attackes people at G8, militia in africa, and for example the idf. they attack àctivists massively so they know they might die. but honest people dont let them scare away with such primitive means.
besides that your saying israel was attack out of the water? a region theyre attacked from? haha rediculous.
7undreissig 7 months ago
@7undreissig you argue like an ass. who said something about arming gaza??they didn't go there to arm gaza, as well as to bring aid. they only came to create another provocation.
see the paintball guns the soldiers have (2:55). and the activists are not stupid like you, swallowing shit propaganda. they knew exactly what's going to be. that the IDF will fight them with kids paintball guns. and they arrived well ready for these "guns", don't you think?
you people are lenin's useful idiots..
yaabraun 7 months ago
@yaabraun
asses cant argue. your comparation is stupid and your comprehension is weak. i didnt claim the flotille tried to arm gaza. i argued against that point but youre too stupid to read and understand.
and yes of course they tried to provoke this is one powerful instrument of pulling publics attention. it did you think jews are the only ones who found out about it? no. silly.
7undreissig 7 months ago
@yaabraun
ok smart guy. if the idf only used paintball guns how did they manage to kill 15 people (or like israel says 9) ?? with gotcha guns? cmon!!!! you cant be that stupid.
ever wondered why there are no pictures of dead bodies? ever wondered why there is only 7minutes video material of the complete action? dont wonder about missing szenes? no? youre simply too dumb!
7undreissig 7 months ago
iSRAEL SHOULD OF CAME WITH LIVE FIRE AS A 1ST RESORT not last cuz there dealing with wild animals
MrYitsy 11 months ago 4
@MrYitsy
why don't you help them filty jewish bitch!!!
ParlakOglanCocugu 9 months ago
They really need a better writer.
The production quality on these propaganda pieces is piss poor.
Couldn't they get Spielberg?
PantsThatDontFit 1 year ago
if someone was repelling into your house to shoot you, you would fight back would you not?
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 hmm let me think if they had real guns, their intention was to kill you and they came by suprise yes. But in this case they were armed with paintball guns, had warned the ship in advance and told people to turn around or they would be boarded.
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans so you wouldnt defend yourself from masked commandos coming to harm you?
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 I would do exactly what they told me. Get on the ground with my hands on my head showing i mean no harm
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans well knowing the israeli policy of killing civilians, i would defend myself
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 oh really is that so? Then why did they ony kill nine people on the ship
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans why else would they attack with elite commandos in the middle of the night if their intention wasn't to harm people? and in international waters, this was no more an act of self defense than bp is environmentally friendly. they could have easily stopped the boat in the daytime hours without elite commandos
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 becxause they are the best trained to handle the situation and have specialty in naval warfare. at night because it gives them the advantage of surprise.
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans why did they need to suprise them? why would they need people who specialize in naval warfare for a civilian vessel? in any other country it would have been the coast guard. the israelis shot themselves in the foot when they decided to suprise them with commandos
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 in the case of homocidal maniacs wielding knives and weapons it is very nessary
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans they wouldnt have attacked if they hadnt been attacked in international waters by commandos who only know how to kill
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 why didnt they kill evey person onn every ship? Not just the mavi marmara but the other ships along with the mavi marmara? why didnt they just send a missles to the ships to blow them up instead of risking the lives of their soldiers?
salobeans 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 true, they could have done that, Israel is quite addicted to using military force when it is comepletely unnecessary, or overkilling...all in the name of its security fetish
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 it was standard protocol. Gaza is under a blockade and thus meaning every thing that goes in must be checked. Israel does not have a coast gaurd or any kind of large navy. the only people trained for this was the shayetet 13 who were the commandos who took over the ship. they came with armed paintball guns. If they truley intended to kill people would they have come with uzis or tavors or even m16s
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans they shouldnt have sent their best given israel's history of overreacting
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 if they wanted to kill everyone on board they would have started shooitng since they where coming from the helicopter
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans but it's also a good distraction from the settlements, to get everyone pissed off about a botched raid
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 Botched raid. No it was a sucess. the ship did not accomplish the goal of reaching gaza. The only thing shocking was that the people on the ship were ready to kill. They thought they were getting on a ship with hippies not terrorists. dont change the subject about settlements. You want to talk about settlements that is a totally different subject.
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans well israel attacked in international waters, that's an act of piracy, so the people weren't hippies, that doesn't mean everyone who takes a stand against israeli arrogance is a terrorist...and i'm not trying to change the subject, just saying netanyahu needed a good distraction
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 it is also allowed to board a ship on international waters to prevent a ship breaching a blockade as long as you warn the ship before hand it will be boarded. How many times do you see somali pirates warning they will board a ship?
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans somalis aren't starving their barely distinguishable neighbors
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@salobeans and now whos changing the subject?
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 i never said anything about somalis
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans "How many times do you see somali pirates warning they will board a ship?" thats nothing about somalis? this whole debacle shows how israel's addiction to military force is basically shooting themselves in the foot
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 no one on the other ships were hurt they had no intention to kill and you can tell that by what the soldiers themselves said the video proves it. Pirates dont warn people they are going to board a ship. Israel warned the ship to turn or they would be boarded.
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans actually, there were some serious injuries on some of the other ships, they just weren't as publicized as the mavi marmara, because an american citizen got shot about five times (at least once in the head) aboard the marmara, and because it was the lead ship
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 really i would be interested in seeing it. If israel did wrong and it is clearly a violation i will condemn it but as far as the facts I have seen the IDF acted apropriately on the ship of the Mavi Marmara. If there were situations on the other ship people were beaten just for the sake of it than there is a serious problem. Show me the evidence.
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans so why would it be necessary to shoot a 19 year old kid five times, or was he just another "terrorist"?
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 well let me see hundreds of people on a boat and you are just one of 30 commandos. All the people have bats, and weapons on the ship trying to kill you. Obivious you will act to save yourself.
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans that soldier must have REALLY hated that kid to single him out among the hundreds of people
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 its in the heat of the moment the kid was a threat and he took him out
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans he was down after the first shot, why was it necessary to shoot him five more times? i would say given Israel's track record it was a blatant violation of international law
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
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shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 there is terrorits under that age, in gasa part of the kids learnd to hate Israel and to die for kiling other peaple cinse they 6 years old, they talking about getting enter to heaven' about giha'ad, and they realize it arount the ages 15-25, this is how it was until Israel stoped it-before five-four years.
zimakmuk 1 year ago
@zimakmuk you're generalizing, that would be like me saying every jew in israel is taught to not want peace
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 i didn't said something like that at all! On the contrary, I know some palestinias-very good guys. I belive that most of the palestinias are good men and women, but there is group of peaple that appropriate to what I described. that 19's years old may be one of them. man that threated on human's life. The solider stayed without any option.
zimakmuk 1 year ago
@zimakmuk the kid was an apsiring doctor studying in Turkey, and given Israel's track record for violence against civilians i'd say he was right to defend himself
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 from what? a paintball gan? belive me, I played paintball and survived it. the soliders had a real personal guns for self defending, they used it just when they were in risk of life, at very selective way, you are talking here about young men that part of them had families. you thimk that thise peaple, that they are number of the most humanty soliders in the IDF, they grandparents were in
zimakmuk 1 year ago
the holocaust, you think that this peaple will kill without any reason? he had right to defend himself, but I think that it's mutch more logical to think that he made that human's life will be in danger. don't forget, so he was a doctor? so what? terrorist can't be a doctor? maybe he also watch the TV shows of ASHAF when eh was ten
zimakmuk 1 year ago
years old. there micki mouse talked about die in Jihad and how US and Israel are evil. If we are the strong side in the story it isn't make us evil and cruel, how could you forget the intifada before tow years? maybe that boy learnd to be like that...
zimakmuk 1 year ago
@zimakmuk maybe, in the same way religious extremism is taking over the military and Israel is becoming a police state
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 our military is the last place that will be conncted to religious extremism, you should know that the religious extremism (if we really can call it like that, after all, it's very not judaistic to be extermism) is against the army in most of the cases.
zimakmuk 1 year ago
@zimakmuk true, that is a good point, but the government itself is very in favor of those people (settlers and the like) and also doesn't represent the people (then again, when does ANY government?)
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 bs he deserved what he got
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans maybe you should take the time to see other points of view than this right wing nationalist propoganda, if what Israel did was in self defense then BP is an environmental company
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 dude look they were provactors. They came looking for a fight and they got what they deserved end of story. They had bats and knives and soldiers were stabbed. they came to kill. so israel fought back
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans they came with supplies, the weapons they used were pipes and sticks and whatever was on the boats, they knew Israel's policy is to shoot civilians so they defended themselves, then Israel had the nerve to label them terrorists
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 pipes and sticks are a weapon. the commandos had paintball guns and a pistol as last resort. you heard them say so yourself. if you were the soldiers what would you do? Also if israel policy is to kill civilians than why are there arabs alive in gaza and the west bank alive and well.
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans they're not conducting any major operation, during operation cast lead they targeted civilians, used children as vanguards and sniper bait and dropped white phosphorous on people, that's a campaign of terror if i ever saw one, and how come they didn't use the paintball guns? how come they shot people multiple times, and if these people on the boat were really terrorists how come they were treating wounded soldiers?
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 they took out several terrorists reduced rocket attacks on sderot that sounds like a major operation. Everything else was collateral damage. It happens ever war there are civilian causualties its part of war. Hamas used those kids as shields. White phosphorus was meant to be used as cover because the IDF was going to land roof to roof on the buildings to take out hamas. /the white phospurus fell on the ground it was an accident.
salobeans 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 they were treating the soldiers so they could keep them hostage so when they filmed them it would appear they were safe and use them as a bargaining chip to lift the blockade. Terrorists do this all the time.
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans what constitutes a terrorist? killing civilians? IDF has that in the bag. using human shields? what do ya know, IDF does that as well. kidnappings? hmm IDF does that too, IDF are full blown terrorists, the only difference between them and groups like Hamas is that IDF has American tax payer money funding it, and no these people aren't terrorists they were people who made a stand
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 a terrorist is someone who kills people to change the politcal or social sphere of the country they live in. in terms of hamas they want to kill all jews and destroy israel. as for hamas they also get funding from the US, europe, iran and other countries as well.
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans and in terms of Israel, they seek to undermine the peace process to get "greater israel" Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by the West, including the US, so no they dont get funding from America
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 israel is more complicated. they have 8 parties and are democratic. hamas uses all the money in aid they recieve
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans and none of the 8 democratic parties want peace, they only want to displace the indigenous people. and true hamas is a plague, secular is the only way to go
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 oh really. What about meretz, what about kadima, what about Labor, Balad, hadash, or Ta'al. Before you spute nonsense why dont you research these parties than get back to me
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans then why has Israel refused it's responsibilities on the road map? PLO filled its obligation by recognizing Israel, in exchange for what? recognition of limited autonomy? and the government refuses to halt the settlements and denies Palestinians access to water in the West Bank, even if a state is created there it'll be like dozens of Gaza Strips. Likud is the absolute worst
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 plo did not fullfill it. They did not stop incitement. Israel gave them autonomy and recognized the plo as representatives of the arabs in the west bank. If anything the arabs take the water from the settlers. they drill holes in the pipe lines, they dont even have proper water conservation. The israelis have to put special things on focets and reduce thier water usage. For your information the government has already put a freeze on settlements which is horrible and anti jewish
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans Israel never stopped the incitement, lack of goodwill on Israel's part is met with lack of trust on the Palestian part. The IDF is either complacent or joining in when the settlers attack wells and farms and anything else the Palestinians have left. the Israelis are being anti semitic against the Palestinians. and how is stopping land theft anti Jewish?
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 Israel has never incited against arabs. How can you trust the PA government when they themselves try to kill jews. Joining in when settlers attack. those settlers are acting in self defense. Those settlers bar up their homes from arab terrorists. They attack wells? Farms they do because the arabs push them to do it. No the israelis are being anti semitic against jews because they destory jewish homes in the west bank. Arrest jews and destory their homes even deporting them
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans the settlements are an incitement. and now who's the one spewing nonsense, self defense? are you kidding, the squatters are terrorists, shooting palestinians and building illegal outposts, if what they do is in self defense then iran is a democracy. why is the military not doing anything about the price tag terrorist tactic? the squatters get no canisters in the face, they don't get any kind of punishment
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 have you ever been to a settlement? have you ever met a settler?
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans have you ever been walled off from your own land? have you ever been denied access to a road or water on the grounds of your race?
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 they get them of the road because of the danger they pose to jewish drivers. Secondly they get so much water that they steal a lot of water from the settlements and from israel that they are the major problem to the country's water issue
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans i'd say the squatters are a bigger threat, they even attack their fellow countrymen. the palestinians throw stones, the squatters shoot. its not stealing when the the settlement is illegal, the israeli government should just throw the squatters out
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 those setlters buy the land from the arabs. and the settlers shoot in self defense the palestinians kill just to kil and they use rocks, guns and axes. They kill countless jews every day. And yet the government evicts the settlers.
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans oh yeah? countless jews? that would mean Israel would be depopulated. please stop repeating whatever bibi says. look at what the gov't does to the Bedouin, who are loyal and join the IDF, i don't think the Israeli government will soon respect an Arabs right to live on his own land
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 many of those beduins are building illegal homes in the negev without permits NOt all join the idf. Many volunteer. Even so many steel cars and commit crimes. Are you a jew? Not many nonjews use the word bibi.
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans the indigenous Bedouin have claim to the land they've lived on for thousands of years, they should get priority over the Polish immigrants displacing them. the government is trying to force them to give up their lifestyle, in the process alienating a loyal part of their population, and you act as if they're the only ones who commit crimes, there are also poorer Jews who commit crimes, but Jews get priority over everyone else and there lies the problem
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 Jews are indigineous to that land. there havent been polish immigrants since world war two. No jews committ crimes too and the majority of jews live in poverty compared to all the arabs in israel. Those beduins broke the law in building homes without a permit. thus they broke the law and had to have the homes distroyed. they are welcomed to move to beer sheba and live in a nice apartment
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans the government is trying to force them to give up their lifestyle, of course they're not gonna stop. they're nomads and the government is wrong to force them to become sedentary, they risk losing the loyalty of that population. and there is no Jewish race, Israel is white country, most are decended from eastern Europeans who came after the holocaust I.E. Polish people with Hebrew sounding names. Jews live in poverty compared to Arabs? some Jewish state then
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 all jews come from the same place it is in our genes. And the majority of israelis are from arab countries. Those European jews you speak about have the same genetic makeup as their brethern from arab countries. These beduins must get use to living in the 21 century and they cant function properly in society if they continue living how they did for centuries. It is an epidemic in israel with many jews going hungry every day. There are many social problems like any other nation
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans the Bedouin can adapt to the 21st century while maintaining their traditional ways, there's an old Lakota saying, "force no matter how concealed begets resistance" if the government keeps trying to force them to become sedentary, it''l end bad. and Israel has its problems true, but if you're trying to say the Jews are worse off than the Arabs there i say show me your proof, look at an Arab neighborhood or Bedouin village, then look at a Jewish one and tell me which has it better
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 can't even provide for it's own people, or are you just saying that to try and have an argument? Israel is a developed country and its Jews live in comfort, but it's a society just for Jews, everyone else is second class citizens, even indigenous Bedouin, sorta like how indigenous Americans have been for over a hundred years and relegated to land not suitable for habitation
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 there are more jews in poverty than arabs in israel its a fact
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans prove it
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 maybe its the fact arabs dont pay taxes. There are a million jewish children who go hungry every day in israel. I have never seen an arab beg from money in Israel. There are only jewish beggers on the street. Accorrding to Haaretz 24 percent of israel are poor half are jews the rest are arabs, and non jewish russians
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans where are you getting all this information? in case you haven't noticed Israel is a fully developed country where its Jewish majority live in comfort, Jews also have a huge advantage in employment, 36 of the 40 least employed towns in Israel are Arab majority towns, that and wages for Jews are higher than for Arabs, all citizens pay taxes, and if you see a Jewish neighborhood next to an Arab one the Jewish one is usually way better off
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 Of course there is more employment in jewish cities than arab cities. Where do you think all the arabs work? In Israel there are more arabs in colleges and universities than jews and growing. Not all citizens pay taxes the arabs get away with it. They have for years. That is not true that the jewish nieghborhoods are better off than arabs because I have walked through jerusalem, safed, tiberias and haifa I have never seen an arab begger on the street.
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans you're saying Arabs in Israel are better off than Jews, that's like saying Blacks and Hispanics in America are better off then Whites, though i can understand the Arabs university population being bigger because they have a much younger population.
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 jews are also a pretty young population but many are stuck in army service while arabs avoid the army and go straight to college. Many jews today are more religious than the past 20 years and decide to go to yeshiva intsead. There is also affirmative action so an arab has a better chance of going to college than a jew. Besides they are more educated and there are many successful arabs in israel. If that wasnt so they wouldnt have a problem going to ramalah to live with other arabs
salobeans 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 I have seen jewish children begging for money all the time. The only jewish neighborhood that truly has no real issues is Tel Aviv and that is because it is the wealthest city in israel with a very high price for real estate. Israel is going through the same problem as other developed countries which is the big division between the rich and poor and a shrinking middle class.
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans the minority population is usually worse off than the majority, with the exception being apartheid South Africa, in Israel the government puts priority in in Jewish citizens and so naturally the Jewish population is gonna be better off than the Arabs who are second class citizens in Israeli society, Beta Israel are also heavily discriminated against on i side note
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 israel is filled with several different minorities. the one who really is priviledged is ashkanazi jews who have been in israel for 5 or 6 generations. but to say jews have it better than arabs is wrong and inaccurate. For your information the Ashkanzim are the minority both among the jews and the rest of the israeli population.
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans but to say Jewish citizens have it worse than non Jewish citizens is just a complete farce, show me proof of this, look at Tel Aviv then look at Nazareth
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@salobeans also, since you allege that Arabs generally have it better than Jews in Israel, would you also say that the Blacks and Hispanics over there in Florida generally have it better than the Whites?
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 i live in florida. And yes hispanics are the majority here in florida and they are pretty well off and so are the african americans.
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans but would you say theyre generally better off than the whites? go to miami or opa locka and look at the neighborhoods there and tell me who's better off
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 i have been to miami and i was almost robbed in opa locka. most of them are immigrants. Whats your point
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans my point is that when you say that Jews in Israel have it worse than Arabs, that's like saying Whites in the USA have it worse than Blacks and Hispanics
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 so are you saying that a majority is always in a better position in a democratic country
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans except for south africa, which is still facing the aftermath of apartheid, and all of the settler countries displace their indigenous populations, the only difference with israel is that its still going on and can be stopped but bibi doesnt want peace and is trying to piss of the bedouin
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 jews are the indigenous people to the land of israel. How is he trying to piss off the bedouins please tell me?
salobeans 1 year ago
@salobeans judaism isn't an ethnicity, its a religion, if i converted right now i'd be a jew. the jews in israel are just polish/german/other eastern european people with hebrew sounding names, the palestinians represent a genetic population thats been there before judaism. as for the bedouin, in the negev not just bibi but every successive government has been forcing them to give up their lifestyle, and in the jordan valley their land is declared a live fire zone
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@shooshoobob1 no judaism is a nation not a religion. Genetic tests show the jews are all linked by DNA. Most beduins themselves where jews who converted to islam.The majority of jews are from middleastern countries not european
salobeans 1 year ago 5
@salobeans actually, put together Mediterranean and middle eastern jews are the majority, but they aren't one group, Ashkenazi are the single largest ethnic group not only in Israel but all of Jewry. and if such is the case for the Bedouin, why are the Israelis expelling them and forcing them to assimilate...its a lot like how wherever Jews went they themselves were forced to assimilate
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@salobeans
...and actually Palestinians don't have significant DNA that is pre-Judean:
e.g. Oppenheim (often quoted by pro-Palestinians) showed Pali's have even more negroid DNA (than DNA of pre-Judeans like Canaanites). So, will Palestinians also claim Native Rights to sub-Sahara next?? They should be claiming it THERE, BEFORE "WEST OF THE JORDAN RIVER," since more of their DNA is sub-Saharan...
BUT Arabian Peninsula is their true Ancestral Homeland
(big empty desert, but Saudis/etc reject em)
ThalamusMinimus 8 months ago
@ThalamusMinimus Going by your logic, the Jews have no ancestral right since the OVERWHELMING majority of modern Jews are descended from converts, so a Polish Jew is just that....Polish, Persian Jews are Persian and so on...going by your logic of course. Your own source (Oppenheim) shows that Palestinians are overall and indigenous Levantine people with varying degrees of admixture, so actually read the whole thing instead of picking and choosing what's coneveniant to you.
shooshoobob1 8 months ago
@shooshoobob1 That's quite a leap away from my own logic, which is that only the NON-convert Jews have Native rights, and then (as with any nation) were allowed to set their own migration policies which means they may or may not allow in converted-Jews as they see fit. They have seen fit.
(I'll speak for myself so you don't ever need to put false words in my mouth again, k thx.)
Where do you get the "fact" that an "overwhelming majoirty" today are converts? And what do you consider "modern"?
ThalamusMinimus 8 months ago
@ThalamusMinimus Except only a few Jews aren't descended from converts, most of the worlds Jews are European (Ashkenazi), and most Israeli Jews are from elsewhere in the Middle East, who descended from Middle Eastern converts. I never said that all Jews are converts, when the Jews dispersed way back when, they intermarried with the people of whatever country they settled, to the point where Hebrew heritage is negligible in todays Jewish people.
shooshoobob1 8 months ago
(part 2)
I already acknowledged that some --just not "overall", <10% of Pali's-- are former-Jews... before you even challenged me about that.
B.) "Levantine" DNA includes non-Judean areas, so your point of bring up "Levantine" is moot.
ThalamusMinimus 8 months ago
@ThalamusMinimus A.) Where did you get 10%?
B.) Nice straw man
shooshoobob1 8 months ago
@shooshoobob1
"most of the worlds Jews are European (Ashkenazi)"
...and DNA of Ashkenazi is mostly-Judean/MEast according to:
* Hammer et al 2000
* and various Oppenheim et al studies
(and Sephardi+Mizrahi outnumber the Ashken, so they aren't "most" as you claim)
"I never said that YOU said "all Jews are converts"; I QUOTED you saying "overwhelming majority" are, now you're trying to deflect from the fact u were BS'ing again
P.S. Armenian DNA is also moot: Armnians went to Judea not vice-versa
ThalamusMinimus 8 months ago
"Your own source (Oppenheim) shows that Palestinians are overall and indigenous Levantine people..."
A.) No, Oppenheim says "PART OF the Arab-Israeli / Palestinian pop is mainly descended from local CHRISTIANS (not even native) and Jews 'who had converted..." You must drop the "part of" & include the Christians to arrive at your MANGLING of her work (so YOU should read ALL she wrote) & Oppenheim goes on to expose that it's a small part of the (to quote you) "overall" Pali DNA.
(cont'd in part 2)
ThalamusMinimus 8 months ago
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@ThalamusMinimus "One DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim concluded that genetic evidence coincides with historical accounts that at least part of the Arab Israeli and Palestinian population is mainly descended from local Christians and Jews "who had converted [to Islam] after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century A.D." continued in part 2
shooshoobob1 8 months ago
@ThalamusMinimus Also, Oppenheim goes even further to say that on the genetic level, Jews are more related to Kurds and other fertile crescent people, so again it's a good idea to actually read your source instead of picking out conveniant spots.
shooshoobob1 8 months ago
@shooshoobob1 "Jews are more related to Kurds..." It's well-noted in history books (and IIRC, even Oppenheim herself notes this...) that a powerful prince from their region went to Judea & was welcomed (and yes it was before many Arabs even got there), so --as with many of the other distortions & half-truths you just made, not to mention the outright fabrications e.g. regarding the DNA & population of Ashkenazi versus other Jews-- you should look at the BIG PICTURE of DNA **coupled to** HISTORY.
ThalamusMinimus 8 months ago
@ThalamusMinimus A.) So one prince had put his seed in every single Jew in the region?
B.) "Although in the 11th century, they composed only 3 percent of the world's Jewish population, at their peak in 1931, Ashkenazi Jews accounted for 92 percent of the world's Jews. Today they make up approximately 80 percent of Jews worldwide."
shooshoobob1 8 months ago
@shooshoobob1
A.) Prince brought entourages...
B.) You're getting the 80% from a "not in citation given" on Wikipedia; check the source which Wikipedia gives, then contrast it to (search for the below quote plus "simpletoremember dart com"):
"Europe, including [the FSU] and Turkey, accounts for about 12 percent of the total...United States (20.1), Canada (11.9)" so I'd say I was also wrong for accepting salobeans' claim just b/c you hadn't disputed it. ;-)
ThalamusMinimus 8 months ago 2
@ThalamusMinimus A.) Still not enough to make that big of an impact on the genetic level. They aren't Genghis Khan :P
B.) I'll PM you the citation, Youtube comment section and links don't mix.......
shooshoobob1 8 months ago
@shooshoobob1
A.) U were proven wrong on 5-10 DNA issues, so pls excuse for not believing you on this unsupported claim. Small pop millennia ago compared to today means it is POSSIBLE, but how PROBABLE you nor I have expertise to say.
B.) Already had ur citation, searched it for "80%" & "80 percent": not in citation given & like I showed, similar Jewish websites disagree --markedly-- with 80%.
Isn't nearly as important as our earlier posts anyway, b/c Hammer shows Ashkenaz ARE mostly MEast DNA.
ThalamusMinimus 8 months ago 2
@ThalamusMinimus A.) Actually nothing was proven
B.) I guess you ignored where it said Ashkenazi outnumber Sephardic 4 to 1.
Hammer also shows that Jews and Palestinians also have common ancestry.
shooshoobob1 8 months ago
@salobeans i'm pretty sure the Israeli government would label even the anti-defamation league as terrorists if they criticized Israel
shooshoobob1 1 year ago
@salobeans they sent the best because they felt they would be able to get the job done with no causaulties or problems. They used commandos the other time when another ship tried to break the blockade without incident because no one fought them.
salobeans 1 year ago
amcikaaazli seni asker diye orduya alani sikiyim once bi ense trasi ol pic
gangstaBJK 1 year ago
WATCH ON YOUTUBE! "Muslim Demographics"
SorryDidNotDoYourMom 1 year ago
Yeah nice! There really are people who believe in this Compilation of Fairytales, suitable to an Emperors policy, of concentrating power into one spot.
The funniest thing about this is, it's the same with all of the religions based upon the old testament.
All those books where written down to be suitable to a certain situation and a certain man or small group of people.
And still.... there are morons who kill in the name of this bullshit, just because there are frightend by the real world.
repulse42 1 year ago
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dvora11 1 year ago
It's Jews (sons of Israel) who killed Jesus, as you know! So think agan who you support wheather your god jesus or his murderers.
They killed Jesus, now they kill children and innocent people.
USA spends trillions of dollars on Israel while US citizen lose their homes, have no healthcare. Think again Israelis have already been killing your nation by anti-nation taxation, healthcare and ecology policies.
roustem1 1 year ago
@roustem1 jesus was a jew.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@roustem1 Hey stupid fuck.You call yourself Christian? If you were then you would know the Jews did EXACTLY as the BIBLE said they would towards the Messiah.
They played the role God set for them back then.Every thing that happened to Jesus did so according to prophacy.
The fromation of isreal and this unrest???? also prophecised...
shellback1970 1 year ago
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mor29il 1 year ago
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you afraid from all your Arabs citizen on yours country ? ok. Israel is the only little country that don't afraid from terror. the dark time is come on all world.
and if the world want a WW3 ok.. but remember if Israel will be destroyed all this fucking world will be destroyed SHALOM
ZBETAHROM1 1 year ago
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you can send all your ships . until hamas Gaza don't stop all the terror again Israel will be weapon blockade
what happened with all Europe country's ? Spain ? England ? you have terror attack on you land by Arabs terror so what happened with you ?
ZBETAHROM1 1 year ago
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reminding all world the blockade in Gaza begining after we go out from Gaza and still the hamas terror organization send on Israel 4000 rockets.. Gaza can receive all humanitarian needs thru Israel and Egypt border so is no humanitarian blacked only weapon blockade. and to remained all this " humanitarian country" like Turkish or Iran
ZBETAHROM1 1 year ago
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when the Arab understand they can't take Israel by force they start to send all this rockets on Israel land . this is the first time in history a state is bean attack by so many rockets . but this don't brake Israel .so they start a new trick to lie all the world for humanitarian needs and send all this ships for break the blockade in Gaza.
ZBETAHROM1 1 year ago
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For all world.who forgot the history. ... ONU devide the land of Israel betewin arabs and jews .the Arabs don't want the partition and start war . they lose.. Israel all this years want to change peace for land .. but Arabs opposed. they want all Israel land and start a new war and lose again.. .. they try all the time take the land by force . and start to build terror organizations like , hamas, hisbala and more.
ZBETAHROM1 1 year ago
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Whay the turkish don't send a Umanitarian ships to Kirgistan there are 100,000 refugee so far , you have 2 faces and hypocritical people fuck you all , where its all yours war ships ? come to gaza COME. YOU FUCKING stupid people.
ZBETAHROM1 1 year ago
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This is most ridicilous propoganda out here. I was on the Mavi Marmara, and there is one thing I can be sure of is that there were no guns on board. The Israeli commandos started shooting live rounds from the apache's before any commando was sent down, the passengers were acting in self defense. On top of that Israeli commandos shot at least 2 people dead after the the white flag was raised and everybody stopped resisting. Commandos shot and threw passengers into the sea. Israel you cannot lie!
abzattackabz 1 year ago
This is most ridicilous propoganda out here. I was on the Mavi Marmara, and there is one thing I can be sure of is that there were no guns on board. The Israeli commandos started shooting live rounds from the apache's before any commando was sent down, the passengers were acting in self defense. On top of that Israeli commandos shot at least 2 people dead after the the white flag was raised and everybody stopped resisting. Commandos shot and threw passengers into the sea. Israel you cannot lie!
abzattackabz 1 year ago
@abzattackabz said:
"The Israeli commandos started shooting live rounds from the apache's before any commando was sent down, the passengers were acting in self defense"
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Let me see what would I do (PrviMajPirot1),
Scenario:
The most elite unit is jumping out of the Apache's helicopter and is well armed. I'm a peace activist, and I'm not a violent person, and I'm not armed. I hear shooting, I don't even know are they shooting live rounds or not but I hear shooting.
What will I do?
-I will RUN!
PrviMajPirot1 1 year ago
i wonder how these shameless people trying to defend and justify the unlawful MEDIEVEL blocakade of gaza.palestinians are being punished of voting for the people they wnted to rule.for example if we didnt wnt obama to be the president,,and by him becoming the president,USA is surrounded from all the four sides vd no inflow of food, water and medic..pity on such a cruel and reckless world...shame of the world community for defending SHITRAEL...SHITRAEL WILL HAVE TO LIFT THE BLOCKADE..FUK israel
skanian2007 1 year ago
One Serbin journalist that was on the ship said "the treatment of the captured people was brutal"... I am Serbian AND according to the video shown I belive that Israeli were the victims... By the way, the Serbian journalist said that before he saw the video and nobody asked him questions after that... Peace to the middle east...
PrviMajPirot1 1 year ago
Israel is risking the sympathies of the world. May it's on of the most powerful militaries... but without it's supporters it's just a bunch aggressive Megalomaniacs. Israel WILL go down, if it continues to give a shit about the rest of the world.
repulse42 1 year ago
@r1e2e3m4t5e6 you stupid .Palestine was not ever a state. on this land live Arabs with Jews many generations . this land was colonies occupation by Turkish or England . when they go ONU give us and Palestinian a state dividing in 2 but arabs want ALL ,and start the WAR . 6 Arabs state against few Jews. Arabs lose the war . LEARN after you want to to throw us to sea don't CRY.
ZBETAHROM1 1 year ago
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Still...our Bundestag is talking about Israel just now. And as long Israel doesn't let an international Commission judge about the incident, Germany will turn away from Israel..... sooner or later. Israel has to learn, it has to change it'spolicy, or it will be alon AND will go down afterwards! Try some reason, for once!
repulse42 1 year ago