Don't Look To The Bible For Morality - Atheist Experience 367

[raspberrymuffin]

I love how they point out a great argument I never thought of...the Bible condones and condemns everything, so when people pick out verses, they're picking out what they prefer. I've thought for awhile many anti-homosexual Christians are anti-gay to begin with, and this further serves as evidence for the theory.

[dkthg]

witness pure idiocy below me.

[dejesusluisx]

God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe must had been powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. Therefore is plausible God exists.

[TheGeneralCritic]

@dejesusluisx Evidence, please.

[dejesusluisx]

@TheGeneralCritic The definition and attributes of God are in the Bible, and I didn't made up the definition of energy either. It's too much of a coincidence that the only thing in the universe capable of making matter was defined scientifically the same way God is defined biblically. I'm just putting 2+2 together. When you consider ancient goat herders didn't have a clue of what they were talking about, the coincidence is awesome, that knowledge must have come from God.

[TheGeneralCritic]

@dejesusluisx The Bible also has scientifically incorrect ideas in it, such as:

-The Firmament, a supposed dome in the sky in which the stars were place, put in place by God to keep...

-The waters above, what the ancient Jews believed space to be, separate from the waters below. (Genesis 1:6-8)

-That Pi is 3 instead of 3.14 (1 Kings 7:23)

-Rabbits do not chew cud (Leviticus 11:6)

-Bats are not birds (Deuteronomy 14:11-18)

[dejesusluisx]

@TheGeneralCritic True, but the Bible isn't intended to be a science text, is just intended to be a guide for your soul...

[TheGeneralCritic]

@dejesusluisx You can't cherry-pick the few accurate statements from the Bible and hold them up as proof that only an all-powerful God could have inspired it. You have to take into account the inaccuracies as well, and when you do so, it destroys any credibility that a claim of divine authorship could have had.

[dejesusluisx]

@TheGeneralCritic The Bible isn't one book, is a collection of many books, written in different times by different authors, more like a library. Cherry pick will apply to something homogeneous, the Bible isn't. Even within the same book, some passages are metaphors and others are factual statements, so you must interpret all passages or you will get a distorted message.

[TheGeneralCritic]

@dejesusluisx Cherry-picking is simply the act of picking out the best from a group or list, in order to gain a rhetorical advantage. There is nothing in the definition of cherry-picking stating anything about a work being homogenous.

When you go down the 'Bible is both literal and symbolic/metaphor/allegory'' route, you end up digging your own rhetorical grave in that there is no good reason to STOP labeling things in the Bible as symbolic...including God.

[dymchurch1]

Did Ashley borrow a shirt from Matt?

[WayOfTheMaster454]

Look to the Bible for morality: "Produce good fruits as evidence of your repentence" "Take care to guard against all greed, for though one may be rich, ones life life does not consist of possessions" "Flee from sin as from a serpent" Go not after your lust, but keep your desires in check" "A wise son loves correction, but the fool heeds no rebuke" "Pray for those that persecute you" "No matter the wrong, do no violence to your neighbor"

[ndrthrdr1]

@WayOfTheMaster454 said "Look to the Bible for morality: "Produce good fruits as evidence of your repentence"

(etc.)

You forgot to mention the parts telling people to kill witches, gays, those caught working on the Sabbath day, rebellious teens, non-virgins on their wedding nights, nonbelievers, etc.

What a surprise that you have to cherry-pick the bible to make it look good. It's a horrible bit of ridiculous cult fiction.

[WayOfTheMaster454]

@ndrthrdr1 --Im a Christian and therefore not under the Law of Moses.

[ndrthrdr1]

@WayOfTheMaster454 So the Ten Commandments don't apply to you?

[WayOfTheMaster454]

@ndrthrdr1 --The Decalogue is different from the Law of Moses, so yes we are under the 10 Comm.

[airman122469]

@WayOfTheMaster454 The ten commandments are part of the Law of Moses you retard.

[WayOfTheMaster454]

@airman122469 -- Jesus said we are still obligated to perform the Decalogue even though he came to fulfill the whole Law; this tells me there is a dif between the Mosaic Law and the Decalogue.

[ndrthrdr1]

@WayOfTheMaster454 A book claims that Jesus said that. That same book says that Earth was created before the stars.

We can see light from stars 13.2 billion light years away. That means that those stars were there 13.2 billion years ago. Earth is only 4.54 billion years old.

The Bible is just plain wrong.

[WayOfTheMaster454]

Look to the Bible for morality: "Love your neighbor as yourself" "Hate that which is evil" "A gentle answer turns away wrath" "Keep far from an adultress" "Let not your hand be open to recieve and clenched when it is time to give" "Religion that is pure and undefiled is this: the care of orphans and widows..." "Strive for peace with all men" "Supress every desire to sin and break Gods commandments" "Do not drink wine till you become drunk"

[tranquility4all]

@WayOfTheMaster454 The BUY BULL is filled with Contradictions & condones Atrocities such as Rape, Torture, Slavery, Misogyny & Genocide. It also condemns people of different faiths or without faith. It also condemns people because of their Sexual Orientation. The BUY BULL is NOT the source of Morality !

Don't cheery pick the passages of the BUY BULL which make You feel good & Ignore the Atrocities it condones.

[dutchpuppy2]

I meant that as an inference that God IS the same God but the actions, etc, from the Old T are hard to understand, lots of rules, for example, where legalism is shown not to bring salvation. The New T is much easier to understand what God would like us to try to be.

[airman122469]

@dutchpuppy2 No, the New Testament really isn't any better. There's less about killing gays and such, but it's still a load of nonsense.

[dutchpuppy2]

Christ's teaching do NOT conflict, the basis of the New Testament. Village Idiot, you STILL haven't pointed out to me the claimed countless murders committed by God in the New Testament. I'm waiting.... "A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing." You've been influenced to your view of God, through an evil entity's half-truths and through pride of intelligence. WWJD is all about living with your fellow man, not from the Bible but an idea that has sprung from Jesus' teachings.

[Imaginefree69]

@dutchpuppy2

Actually, WWJD is all about letting your IMAGINATION rule your life.

Very few Xians even know what Jesus DID do;

none at all know what he "would do"

if he were a rich business man or a poor college student

or a middle-aged unwed mother.

Like all religion, it is created in the imagination and failed in the flesh.

[simcult]

@dutchpuppy2 Are you saying the God of the new testament is not the same God as the old testament?

[dutchpuppy2]

@simcult I would say that God is easier to understand in the New Testament. Jesus' example is one that could be seen and lived by.

[simcult]

@dutchpuppy2 My question was "Are you saying the God of the new testament is not the same God as the old testament?" and your answer was "I would say that God is easier to understand in the New Testament". Sorry there must be a communication problem here, you didn't answer my question.

[crxpunkb16]

no but do look to the Bible for the key to eternal life!!

[simcult]

@crxpunkb16 Many have looked, none have found...