Rape vs Abortion

[PALOMITA694]

If a rape victim keeps the rapist baby that surely means that she feels guilt because she some how might have provoked the rape or that she was not really raped but likes rough sex with guys. Let's be honest about it no rape victim is willing to have her rapist bastard.

[leiapeison]

@PALOMITA694 im with you. how scary is it that women cant even choose who fathers their children. i refuse to be reproductive chattel for criminals

[dragonpat666]

abortion is legal and women will not become incubaters for rapists!! we will NEVER allow it. no sane, righteous society would.

[leiapeison]

@dragonpat666 sadly, that is what these radicals want. we cannot allow these people to win. for if they do, women will never see freedom.

[dragonpat666]

@leiapeison these people are crazy!! women in american be damned if they allow our country to degrade to the point where it becomes another el salvador and philiphines.

[juliewashere88]

Forced birth is much like rape as herein one person's body is use by another against the will of the former. That goes for anyone, whether they were sexually raped or not. In the case of rape victims, forcing them to give birth only makes their rape last 9 more months. It's disgusting that anyone would even consider this.

[leiapeison]

@juliewashere88 it doesnt just make it last for 9 months. it makes it a permanent part of her life in a whole new way. giving rights to an embryo is stupid intellectually and practically for it makes the born into nothing but slaves to biological forces that oftentimes they cant control. there is nothing pro life about forcing a child on its mother. it is a vile sentiment and one that needs to be fought. hopefully you and i will have the strength to keep fighting

[juliewashere88]

@leiapeison This :)

[summerdowling87]

I'm pro-life

I know both men and woman can and are raped but a male can't get pregnant the victiim has to carry the child

[leiapeison]

abortion was legalized to prevent unwanted births. abortion was legalized to prevent rape victims especially from being forced to produce children against their will. adoption is not a cure all. it has consequences of its own. rape victims have had their dignity stolen once. to be then forced into motherhood by being denied choice is degrading and archaic.

[AceofDimonds0]

but when it comes right down to it, it comes to CHOICES. and why should another persons choice influence the mothers choice.

before the baby is born it is basicly a parasite.

even when the baby is born the mother still has the right to make choices for the baby, why not before the baby is born?

[leiapeison]

"if you're pregnant, you'll live"

live with what though? having your attacker in your life forever because you were denied an abortion? having permanent gynecological problems from an illegal abortion? carrying an unwanted child for 9 months just to give it to strangers then having it show up on your doorstep 20 years later bringing it all back? being called a murderer for having an abortion? perhaps some things are not worth living through.

[RVqueen]

Thank you for encouraging women to rise up with dignity in life's most difficult situations.

I agree with castrating rapists.

[leiapeison]

"if you're pregnant you'll live"

a woman dies from pregnancy related complications every minute somewhere in the world, 780 annually in the US alone. pregnancy is not a benign condition even when it is wanted and it is not something that can be casually forced without serious repercussions to all parties involved.

[lovelydovey715]

Thank you for your concern of rape, when i was eight i got raped by a 16 year old and it always stuck with me

[dallasboy1117]

If u get raped i know it hurts but it hurts even more when u kill ur own child

[Headhunter004]

You think that the girl getting raped sees that bastard rapist seed as "hers" (or even half hers)?!?!?! I don't think so. And you think she will regret aborting it if she sees it as a painful reminder of the violence against her? I don't think so there, either. It's her body, it's her right to choose, forcing your beliefs on her for your own satisfaction after she was already a victim of a horrible crime is selfish beyond words.

[dallasboy1117]

so its still her son or daughter and its half of ur blood. if u dont want him or her u could have him or her adopted not kill him or her

[Headhunter004]

And by that so-called "logic", so is all of the junk mail that I get. I didn't choose to have it or subscribe to any of the bastards who send it to me, but it's still mine, that still doesn't change the fact that it's junk mail and completely worthless to me and I wouldn't hesitate to get rid of it. That "it's still your son" argument is a fucking cop out, and so is that adoption excuse, that still doesn't change the fact that you're gonna put through 9 months of hell to raise the damn thing.

[Headhunter004]

Seriously, that's just a lame excuse. So she gets raped and knocked up by some perverted asshole, she should be forced to keep it even if it destroys her life forever "just because it's half hers'"?!?! That's the most idiotic thing I've ever heard! That's a big fucking cop out, and so is the adoption excuse. You're gonna dismiss adding to her torture for 9 months and then force her to give birth to the damn thing, which is EXTREMELY PAINFUL, so she can put it up for adoption? Lame.

[BabiesWearDiapers]

@dallasboy1117

its not *still* her son or daughter

its a clump of cells..no bones or lungs

its not a fucking person

[dallasboy1117]

it is life ,it is a person!! u fucking idiot!!! ur just killing them before them come out! its a human in its early form!!!!!! ur just sayin that as an excuse!! only a sick mind would kill. ppl r such stupid idiots these days!!! god!! why so much education if u dont use it in ur life!!!

[BabiesWearDiapers]

moron....its so sad that you're so willfully ignorant..spewing misinformation and having the audacity to believe/post that its OTHERS that are ignorant

it should hurt to be as stupid as u

...i see why you're antichoice

[dallasboy1117]

lmao...you are the ignorant,your arrogance blinds you. Athiest douche!

[BabiesWearDiapers]

dally boy...religions are faiths, not facts...LOL as if my lack of belief in a myth makes me ignorant?!?!??

btw...i does NOT come before e in atheist MORON

[dallasboy1117]

lol ur such a bitching loser....hahaha u make my day...u make me feel so smart and blessed man ahahahaha . Go do research on abortion b4 u start talkin bullshit on the internet....nice life BITCH!

[BabiesWearDiapers]

and what makes me a loser in your book? the fact that i win and live in a prochoice country? if u want to see a loser...check a mirror out sometime

*bitching loser....feel blessed..*

typical fundy...wolf in sheep clothing

pure unadulterated hatred followed by a *blessed*

i like playing with fundies like u...you never know shit about your cult

[dallasboy1117]

no ur a loser...all u do is say shit on the internet,ur a coward. u wouldnt say ur insults in ppls face irl .

[sulkow82]

@BabiesWearDiapers its a clump of cells...no bones or lungs

Do you believe these things (ie. bones, lungs) develop after birth?

[LadyLeStrange3]

@Headhunter004 Since when does being raped give you the right to brutally murder an innocent child that had done nothing wrong?

[Headhunter004]

Yeah, way to forget that it's also the bastard child of the guy who brutally raped her. Even if the child is okay with knowing that it's father was a rapist (doubtful), do you honestly think the mother would appreciate living with the fact that the father of her child was the guy who brutally raped and violated her and not her would-be husband or boyfriend (which is what birthing was DESIGNED for in the first place)? I doubt it. So no, that's no excuse. Her body, her choice, plain and simple.

[LadyLeStrange3]

@Headhunter004 More often than not the woman does not care who the childs father is. it does not matter. There are women who bore children for husbands who beat them. Yet thier children are the only things thatkeep them going. It is proven that going through the prengancy after rape is much better for the woman than if she gets an abortion.Even if the mother feels that she cant take care of the child, she can still give it to someone who will. Your excuses are ridiculous.

[LadyLeStrange3]

Too bad many of the women who get abortions still don't realize what they have done, or are too proud to say they were wrong. Unlike you who were humble enough to admit you were wrong and is now reaching out to others in hopes they will not make the same mistakes. We need alot more of You. Thank you for standing up for the unborn and not backing down even when it feels like the world is against you.

[XxLuciferousxX]

Also comparing if I would save a child from the enemy, yes I would. But you cannot compare an unborn child to a child that is already born and alive in this world, and unfortunately I was a victim to this rape so I know what I'm talking about, I was also a little girl and it makes you see the world differently after a weird and dramatic situation like that.

[XxLuciferousxX]

Wait, your saying they should have the rape child? Hmm... I don't think so, If a child gets rape age 12 and becomes pregnant by an adult man she should have the child? It seems like women don't understand the effect of pregnancy, is a very psychological dramatic thing, so having this child and giving it away wont change to help the pain heal of carrying the bastard child of the man who took your innocence.

[prolifeinternational]

Undoubtedly the best video message I`ve ever seen on this topic..just BRILLIANT!

[leiapeison]

for the ones that still do not want to go throught the pregnancy we can develope the technology to be able to transfer the fetus to another body. they already have embryo adoption for embryos left over from in vitro fertilization where a woman can be implanted with them so they arn't destroyed. think of it as an abortion that does not result in the death of the fetus.

[kate33fl]

I wrote a report on this topic. While it seems futuristic...it is an ideal solution to this controversial issue. And donations to this type of research might be a better investment for pro-lifers than picket signs.

Too bad it's not an immediate solution...and it's somewhat far-fetched (IVF is much different than removing and transplanting embryos).

[kate33fl]

I love the idea of EC, but the truth is..most rapes go unreported...and, by the time a woman finds out she is pregnant...it is too late for EC.

"for the 4000 that remain we can counsel them and encourage them to bring the child to term."

why? if they do not want to continue that pregnancy...please do not make them feel guilty about ending it!

[dallasboy1117]

Abortion is wrong. It is killing human beings! Thousands of babies die everyday by abortion!This should stop!

[kate33fl]

wrong...millions of unwanted babies never come into existence because abortion is legal...thank God.

[kate33fl]

A fetus is not a person. It does not "stand on its own." It is attached to the woman and develops into a baby eventually.

[jaces227]

Not true. The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb." Definition of fetus from merriam webster: "a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth"

[kate33fl]

I should have said an embryo/fetus. But, you proved my point anyway. A fetus is a developing human. It is developing into a person who will have thoughts and feelings and rights. Why spend so much time worrying about an embryo that has no ability to even contemplate its own existence...let alone the end of its existence. It does not feel..nor comprehend any pain. There is no point to defending the stance to allow it to completely develop into a human.

[dallasboy1117]

life of a human being starts at the moment of conseption

[leiapeison]

remembersodom: i agree that in some cases having an abortion could cause more trauma and make it worse for the woman. but no matter how you spin it some women would benefit in the long term by not being forced to carry a pregnancy that was forced upon them violently. i have personally met women including a friend of mine who if they had been forced to carry to term it would have destroyed them mentally.

[shmellow420]

next they will be saying im murdering innocent lives when i fire off some knuckle children every Sunday morning :) lol

[TruthChamp]

Rapist should be castrated and incarcerated.

But what crime does the child commit that warrants their brains to be sucked out?

[12170712]

Indeed!

[leiapeison]

the brains being sucked out only refers to late term abortions which are only done for limited reasons. the child did no crime but neither did the mother. what is a crime is subjecting a rape victim to a 9 month long rape so a fetus can become viable. what women would not fight that? what person would want to be born forcefully against someone else? what crime did the women do to warrant having her personhood stripped from her for a non established life form?

[remembersodom]

Another thought.....an abortion doesn't "unrape" a woman, it will only further tramatize her, both physically, emotionally, and spiritually.

[roevswade]

very good point!

remembersodom, thank you for your comment there!

[neillob11]

but something like seeing the product of a rape everyday, might hurt too. but none the less good point.

[ilikefire1515]

Wait an abortion is more physically and emotional tramaitizing then carriing your rapists child, yeah you live in a fantasy land.

[roevswade]

Should the child be held to the death penalty for the crimes of his or her father? A crime that her father would just spend jail time for. What about adoption? The women can adopt out too if she does not want to parent this child.

[xlovexothersxalsox]

I was molested by a cousin. Although I never told anyone. Why should the mother be punished for 9 more months with an unwanted pregnancy?

[leiapeison]

@roevswade so in one moment you say to any woman watching this "im not your judge' but in the next call her an executioner for 'enacting the death penalty" on her rapists fetus. which is it? and im pretty sure your comment about "im not your judge" isnt gonna help her feel better when she is sitting in a jail cell with a colostomy bag from a failed self abortion because of a law you helped pass

[leiapeison]

@roevswade and im confused as to why you are even saying such a thing when the video you are responding to even addressed the fact that adoption is not always a viable solution to the case of rape. and yes, adoption is ONE choice! but as you stated in other videos, each choice has its up and downs. and only the woman can choose what is right for her

[xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx]

I just want to thank all of you for wishing I had died. That's real nice of you.

[leiapeison]

@xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx straw man. no one is wishing that. you are doing self imposed victimization. we are saying the potential that a zygote or embryo might have to experience and participate in life someday does not override the pre existing rights of a woman especially one who has just survived the unthinkable. your life is no more irreplacable as mine. just because a woman has the choice to abort doesnt mean she will and if she does abort it is her choice not yours or mine

[remembersodom]

Very few pregnancies are a result of rape, but for those that do occur, the child is the innocent party, and shouldn't be given a death sentence for the sins of his father. Punish the rapist, let the baby live. If you can't keep the child, do the most loving thing and give him to a loving two parent home.

[leiapeison]

the baby is the innocent one? this reeks of victim blaming. so the woman isnt the innocent one? really man. there is no way that any woman should be controlled for 9 months against her will because she was the victim of a heinous offense. rape victims want their bodies cleansed of the act committed against them not to be further dehumanized by having to breed for their attacker.

[jgcrr]

im am writing an argumentive piece for my writing class and im doing it on abortion and i was really struggling with the rape issue your video really put things into perspective for me.. thank you

[roevswade]

let me know how it turns out.

[leiapeison]

most definetly too many people are being forced into abortions. i think many women in these situations make snap judgements without thinking things through. many women who got pregnant this way abort and then later regret it.

[leiapeison]

but i also know of women that have kept the child and that helped them to heal. so it really depends on the woman. and you are right. the child is innocent also. god bless

[roevswade]

thank you for commenting on this issue.

[leiapeison]

my friend got pregnant from rape and became suicidal as a result. she was able to go for an abortion and it helped her to heal. she would not be alive today if she had been forced to carry that child.

[roevswade]

Yes! I agree there is not easy answer in this one, but only 2% of abortions are done over the issues of rape, and the rest are birth control.

[roevswade]

I know also that there is poor counseling in these issues of rape and pregnancy along with other issues that including incest.

[roevswade]

I had a client one time at was a impregnated for m her step father and he drove her to the abortion clinic and forced her into an abortion, she was 15yrs old and when I talk with her, she just sat and cried and kept stating that her baby was innocent and a part of her that he also took that away, along with her innocents too, she need help and the abortion client just covered the crime, where they should have reported it.

[prolifediaries]

From my knowledge of feminist legal issues, the authorities are more likely to prosecute a sex offender like that step-father or a rapist if the pregnancy is carried to term. Their feet are put to the fire when they see a pregnant tummy walking around from rape. The authorities don't want that to become a common occurrence, so they go after the guy so hard if the girl/woman refuses an abortion.

[leiapeison]

" if a girl refuses an abortion." how can she refuse something if choice isn't involved? so bringing life into the world so it can be used as evidence is a noble idea? i can only imagine knowing the only reason i was born was to send my father to jail. even if she does carry to term, what if there is still no conviction? what then? i dont want pregnant tummys from rape to be common either which is why i support choice.