Russian OTs-14 Groza Assault Rifle

[MsDjessa]

Cool weapon and a good russian lesson. : 3

[darkscurion]

Hey guys!

Can anyone translate something to russian for me?

It's for a good cause!

If there's anyone available, please pm me... thanks for your time!

[kertaspaper94]

From what I see here the Groza looks like its just a bullpup conversion kit for the AK. Tell me if I'm wrong, if it's really a different weapon.

[Metalicalypse]

Seens its for mid & close range. and what about when you shoot in full auto? is it accurate like the aek 971 ?

[Rexor1980]

Get out of here, stalker.

[TheLigitGamerrrrr]

all americans here: Круто, хуле

all russians here: stupid americans, communism will rain again, kill David Hasslehoff!

[Valetudo141]

ну мужик повезло, из автомата пострелял и из гранатомета дунул

[rabbitfourone]

This gun is strictly business. Gotta love the Russians, no screwing around.

[DannFex]

You got skis in the Russian army?! Sign me up.

[LeGeNdDdArYable]

чоткий автомат! пендосы сосут хуи!

[TheManinMoscow45]

...offficially the coolest bull-pup ever. Russian weapon design for the epic fucking win.

[Gunluver1]

lol what a piece of shit. I would just keep my krinkov they it was

[chazly0413]

thought this thing shot 9x39

[ComradeWeilda]

@chazly0413 9mm?...nah too small. This weapon is comparable to ak-74u also at 2:14 it looks like 7.62's

[chazly0413]

@ComradeWeilda i think those are 9x39s look how large the bullet is in comparison to the casing and the very short shoulder. look at the wikipedia page for 9x39, compares that to 7.62x39

[Moosezorz]

@ComradeWeilda What are you talking about? First of all, the fact of the matter is that he is right in suggesting that this weapon fires the 9x39 round. Secondly, 9X39mm is larger than both the 7.62x39 and the 5.45x39mm rounds used by the AK47 and AK74 (And variants) respectively.

[HACKandSLASHukraine]

@ComradeWeilda dude, its not 9*19, its 9*39- which is a weak SNIPER caliber

[schifty1]

@ComradeWeilda The 9x39 is anything but small. It is a specially designed 9mm, subsonic armor piercing bullet in a necked-up 7.62x39 case, inside a range of 100 meters, it will beat any standard assault rifle caliber.

[Gerlokh]

@ComradeWeilda It fires 5,45 mm. The narrator mentions it at around 1:55.

[dakiler2028]

@ComradeWeilda he doesn't mean the 9x19mm pistol, but the 9x39mm subsonic rifle round. the Groza uses the 9x39mm(with silencer) and the 7.62x39 mm

[Gigaherzkebab]

@ComradeWeilda Arent there 2 versions of this gun out there? One being the 9x39 SP-6 and the other 7.62x39 M43?

[porrsmurfen]

@ComradeWeilda You realise that a 9x39 is larger than the 7.62x39, and the 5.45x39 ...

[SKSeoul828]

@ComradeWeilda The AK74 uses a 5.45mm x39mm cartridge and as mentioned earlier a 9x39mm cartridge is bigger than a 7.62mm. This rifle actually comes in both calibers. Ps: the 9mm by 39mm cartridge is subsonic

[MsDjessa]

@ComradeWeilda Accordin to a ceratin web site, it fires both, depending of the version.

[Hatinonthehaters]

@ComradeWeilda AK74 uses 5.45x39 but yes, 2:14 is 7.62

[williamwissian]

@ComradeWeilda 9x39mm isn't a pistol cartridge, just so you know.

[Removes]

@chazly0413 Too much time in the zone?

[ArgieGamer]

@chazly0413 Yes... I played stalker too.

[MrSkakyn]

Какой Полезный Чемоданчик...

[kozak317]

Garbage. You need to be objective in your evaluations. Just buy German mp5s and enjoy.

[AD18472]

Suitcase dreams!))Это Вам не в тапочки срать!!

[coletrainatec]

its the worlds most lethal nerf gun

[mcjagermech]

not too innovative, a short ak-47 in bullpup config. although it has a better way to mount optics

[NIKUS871]

Горжусь Тульскими оружейниками!!!

[pankratoff67rus]

Круто, хуле....

[kvasnekola]

@pankratoff67rus

нутк.......

[loly617]

It's a bullpup AK-47. Simple.

[Zach9898]

i wana buy that now and place on my wall next to my A-91, how the fuck did i not buy this already x.x

[stfuplz13]

A gun that's a jack-of-all-trades but a master of none.

[elvensbane]

So, its pretty much a bullpup stock for a AK 47u?

[CounterClaws]

@elvensbane this shoots a different bullet than the ak 74u

[1lostinspace]

It looks like a regular AK I don't see the advantage, besides the over all length.

I wonder why they ditched the 74 comp. Either way it's an AK and will work and work.

I don't get why they have not created a gun with an AK action an M4/M16 ergonomics.

[MaxVault101]

Русское оружие всегда было самым мощным, а вы Америкосы завидуйте молча, пока вам жопу не надрали. Кстати недавно программа была показывали как создавались американские оружия, они все делались на основе русских, и никак не могли добиться лучшего результата чем наши люди. РОССИЯ РУЛИТ, РУССКОЕ ОРУЖИЕ САМОЕ МОЩНОЕ.

[SpySolidLiquid]

@MaxVault101 прикольно бы было посмотреть на эту программу. Как хоть называлась? на ютубе есть она?

[MaxVault101]

@SpySolidLiquid К сожалению про YouTube не знаю, но шла она на канале Звезда, канал второсортный но все же есть передачи интересные, по выходным там утром выходили передачи рассказывающие историю оружия, как оно создавалось, где впервые применили, первые выпуски о оружии Второй Мировой войны, от русского ППШ - 41 до Английского Sten, после постепенно шли к более современным видам вооружения, кстати яркий пример М4А1, многие нарободки были взяты с нашего АК74 и бельгийского P90.

[angryasian2]

Coolest gun ever

[IggyHazard]

OC-14 Groza (aka OTs-14) = 9x39mm.

Groza-1 = 7.62x39mm.

Either version can accept the multiple configurations.

[FriedrichHecker1848]

@IggyHazard

But there's another version in the caliber 5.45X39 Russian.

[IggyHazard]

@FriedrichHecker1848 How many were produced in that caliber? I heard that never made it past the prototype phase. Seems like they might as well have made a universal weapon complex with variations in all prevalent calibers.

[Viper1982Sniper]

Какой там П-90??????????П-90 это оружие ближнего боя!!!!А это стрелковый комплекс!!!!1

[fred96ful]

ots-14= 9x39mm

p90= 5.7x28mm

[IggyHazard]

@biggboysouth Technically, there was no production version of the Groza in 5.45, though it was considered. I've been told there was at least a prototype model in that caliber.

[Mirind0R]

@biggboysouth UR WRONG

[biggboysouth]

@Mirind0R yeah I know, someone corrected me like a month ago

[maestroxzero]

I, for one, think it's quite beautiful. I love this style. tell me you wouldn't like seeing this fine russian lady under the christmas tree XD

[nzigen31]

Russian shopping channel...

[ymcablabla]

this is still ak... in bulpup system

[fred96ful]

russian p90

[geopara76]

@fred96ful you can't compare with p90!it shot a rifle bullet not a pistol one!

[greenpooter]

That is the ugliest piece of shit

[ITSbigwillystyle]

ew, this thing looks really ugly.

[Sagramorbald]

@ITSbigwillystyle Yeah, cause weapons are designed for looks :)

[ITSbigwillystyle]

@Sagramorbald Well for some, yes. The AK is a sexy looking rifle. This thing looks like a retarded-dwarf version of a FAMAS :T

[izzy2129]

it looks like its a regular ak just with a body kit

[BitnikGr]

@izzy2129 It is not a regular AK. It's the first attempt of bullpup design for AKM.

[izzy2129]

@BitnikGr idk if you take off all the accessories it has im sure it look like a regular ak but i could be wrong

[BitnikGr]

@izzy2129 how can a bullpup design look like a regular AK? :)

Magazine is behind the trigger.

Take a look...

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[theblackarrow66]

wow..



[lordcakedude75]

FINALLY! russia copies china. it was about time!

[AbyssalHunt3r]

@lordcakedude75 The OC-14-4A is a small arms weapon system based on the 5.45 x 39 mm AKS-74U carbine. It is a selective fire, air-cooled magazine-fed rifle with a gas-actuated piston operating system and a rotary bolt locking mechanism. In short it is not based off of Chinese shit.

[aids289]

@lordcakedude75 what was the sample?

Чукча не читатель, чукча - писатель, сказал хуйню и забыл. xD

[StG45m]

@lordcakedude75

Read your books, or Wikipedia at least, dummy.

[Vadim3343]

АМЕРИКАНЦЫ ХУЕВЫ ИЛИ КТО ВЫ ТАМ ОДИН ХЕР ЕБЛАНЫ КАРОЧЕ ВАМ СЛОВАНЕ ДОВАЛИ НАУЧИТЕСЬ ХОТЬ ЧТО ТО ДЕЛАТЬ ВАША М16 М4А1 ГОВНО ТО ЕЩЁ НАШ АК47.АК74 И ГРОЗА САМОЕ ЛУЧШЕЕ ОРУЖИЕ НА ЗЕМЛЕ С НИМ СРАВНИТЬСЯ НЕКОМУ. А ВЫ ЧМО КОСОРУКОЕ БЕЗ ТУАЛЕТНОЙ БУМАГИ НЕКУДА ХЕХЕЕ

[StG45m]

@Vadim3343

Диванный теоретик - пройди нахуй.

[pro100dim]

@Vadim3343 долбаеб ты себе представляеш ак 47 школоло

[GordonFreeMANness]

"7.62mm"? Nah, it's 9x39.

[combine002]

this is the best gun in the game s.t.a.l.k.e.r

[WoobooRidesAgain]

My vote for the ugliest gun on Earth still in use today.

Still, it's awesome. And that ugliness sort of endears it as distinctly Russian.

[Bhethar]

Russian weapons rulez 

[Knarta]

Is that the 9mm version? It seems so small...

[alisa7979]

люди а подарите мне такой чемоданчик на день рождения

[darkscurion]

I laughted when i saw the two russian soldiers shooting a tank with an ak lool

[xPBTx]

@darkscurion Yes, only Russian can take out a tank with a simple assault rifle ... ;D xD

[darkon112]

@darkscurion It wasn't a tank but an IFV.

[darkscurion]

@darkon112 i don't know, buy anyway it's armoured so ak's won't do shit against it :b

[darkon112]

@darkscurion Of course especially from the front. But that wasn't what they where aiming to do. It's just general training for soldiers in a defensive line not to be afraid of vehicles coming towards them and engaged them if they have the means or support the troops who do. which would likely be under fire from the opposition's infantry.

[SovietBear91]

@darkscurion you have no idea about infantry training. i only can laugh about nato. some weeks ago i saw a documentaion about german army. they had to be in a hole and than a tank is going to drive over the hole. the big part of this piss heads were scared like little girls and that fucking hole was about 2 meters depp and had a ladder to climb out. in red army you had to lay down and than a tank would drive over you to loose your fear about tanks and AFV.

[darkscurion]

@SovietBear91 whatever...

[Spork888]

Where can I get this?

[class3hotbox]

sa80 rip off

[13thmistral]

@class3hotbox how ?

[class3hotbox]

@13thmistral the whole chamber design mimics the sa80

[13thmistral]

@class3hotbox is that all ?

[class3hotbox]

@13thmistral for the most part but thats like 75 percent of the rifle

[13thmistral]

@class3hotbox stock, barrel, barrelaction, opperation of the rifle, handguard, if it has them, upper and under receiver, bolt, butstock, muzzle.....

[class3hotbox]

@13thmistral pretty much

[13thmistral]

@class3hotbox you call that 25 % ?

[class3hotbox]

@13thmistral no i call it a cheap stamped russian version

[13thmistral]

@class3hotbox ah, let me gues

prejudicted 14-18 year old guy from a nato coutry, probably british or american, thinking russia only makes shit, and likes to troll

interesting, if it wasnt so predictable

[class3hotbox]

@13thmistral actually 28,american army ranger,russians dont make shit i never said that they just took the concepts of the sa80 bulpup and added their own shit i was just gratifying that

[13thmistral]

@class3hotbox the concept ?

what is the concept then ?

that its a bulpup assautl rifle ?

[darkon112]

@class3hotbox Eh, no the Groza was based on soviet NA-4 assault rifle then anything else. Soviets/Russians made tons of bullpup design for your information. First ever bullpup assault rifle was Soviet TKB-09 No. 1 assault rifle

[class3hotbox]

@darkon112 of course i now about the numerous other attempts at a new bulpup assault rifle done either by the soviets or the chinese which were based on similar designs this one just caught my eye because it somewhat resmbles an sa80 and plus it uses a short stroke piston like the sa80 thats what i origionally meant to point out

[darkon112]

@class3hotbox Fair enough.

[DrHavoc1]

@class3hotbox dude, sa80 is relatively new compared to the first russian bulpup rifles. Google TKB 408, that gun dates to 1946.

[darkon112]

@DrHavoc1 Technically the TKB-09 No. 1 was.

[seanyboyo1969]

@DrHavoc1 sorry the first british bullpup desighn dates to 1943-5 also germans had a simmilar bullpup concept in 1942 so they both pre-date the tkb408, plus at the end of the day the austrian styer aug and sa80 family of weapons where the first standard bullpup millitary rifels in general service so britain and austria led the way.

[DrHavoc1]

@seanyboyo1969 Would you be so kind and provide links to these "concepts" or at least names i can google?

[seanyboyo1969]

@DrHavoc1 i got the info from a large book of modern fire arms and their history but if you google bullpup rifels the history of youll find the examples the british example was identicle to the l85-a1/and 2(sa8o) but used wood where the sa80 has plastic i was astounded at the prototypes date with testing at royal ordenance enfeild taking place 1943-45 its calibre was also ahead of its time , 4.35 mm i think not sure exact now the german was rheinmetal-borsig around43-45 this was a mp44 type

[seanyboyo1969]

@DrHavoc1 just wikipediad and found that bullpups go back to 1901 a french and british rifle, the british one is called em1-2 it was a desighn started ww2 and addopted by british army 1951 then canceled so go and have a look mate its mental such modern concepts so long ago the russians seem to have used a german engineer on the rifel you mentioned so he may have worked on the experimental rhienmetal-borsig weapon? anyway fella go look ,its pretty good write up.

[SovietBear91]

@class3hotbox chamber design is from the AK-74u and the chamber design of the AK-74u is the same like the AK-47

[biloxipilot]

its just a bullpup AK.......

[virus922]

@biloxipilot nope there are considerable differences. such as a new bullet the 9x39 mm. much more accurate and penatrative (even to light armor APC's such as M113 and BTR). The bullet is even used as a sniper (see VSS vintorez) and there is less or same amount of recoil from what you get from an AK for a some-what sniper capability so its a good trade

[TDNSLEDANG]

I think the gun looks pretty cool!

[111murder111]

this thing shoots 7 gram rocks

[HamTheDog]

its a nice bull pup..but its so short if you loose your grip you can blow your own head off...I like with suppressor on it made longer...

[TheAzkrouz]

is it just me or can the russian not make a gun that looks as the ak? i mean i want a new russian gun ;D

[Targetpopper]

@TheAzkrouz We're the same way with the M16.... at least the Russians picked a reliable design to build off.

I guess if it works.... go with it.

[Spetsnazovets]

The only drawback of this weapon is its unsuitability for left-handed shooters. The ejection port is right next to the face so leftie wouldn't be using that weapon.

[kissmyasssuckers]

I really like "the old look" of the russian weapons!....

[ColdCoffeePaintball]

GET OUT OF HERE STALKER!

[Arbiter11723]

@ColdCoffeePaintball I said come in, dont stand there!

[SpiritWanderer91]

@ColdCoffeePaintball good one xD knowing that at elast 50% of the people here know this gun and learned to love it from stalker days ^_^

[AznLoserWin]

this gun looks kickass

[MrJivePirate]

I wonder what the trigger pull is like when it has to be for a bullpup and a grenade launcher and its made by russia.

[ricemaster2008]

Get out of here, S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

[gapanlilio33]

holy shit, they've done everything in russia

[motlencore89]

thats one ugly fucking gun, but it beats the hell out of anything ive ever held.

[mackobudapest]

Oh, I like it ! Give me one of those! :)

[stanleythedoggy]

Dear Santa...

[VlamStalker]

I love how 43% of all the comments here are written by the same american guy trolling russia.

[903strikerunit]

@VlamStalker no.? really?

[VlamStalker]

@903strikerunit

That comment was from three months ago. Back then there was another argument about russian guns and ofcourse there was a american talking trash about russian weapons (I don't hate america, i actually like the country. But nobody likes web extremists.) and he posted a whole newspaper to express his rage. I'm sure this argument has been solved. (And if not, there must really be something wrong with that guys life.)

[skydreamerXIII]

Thats one ugly bullpop rifle...

[GordonFreeMANness]

@skydreamerXIII It's beautiful.

[903strikerunit]

@skydreamerXIII it may look ugly but its one of the best and only bullpup weapon designed by russia

[skydreamerXIII]

@903strikerunit one of the best among russian weapons mayby, but surly when it comes to international competition.

[lmnCode]

кириллица:)

[davism4a1]

thats kinda cool, just an ak bullpup from the ground up u lefties are fuct on this one though

[xTheWarlordx]

Russian weapons =Cheap, simple, but Reliable

American Weapons = Expensive, complicated, somewhat Reliable

Chinese weapons = Copies of the upper two.

[TotalflushRoyal]

@xTheWarlordx Couldnt agree more there pal. sad that the world is so unbalanced tho.

[iChayce]

@xTheWarlordx

More like a fusion of the upper two. Have you seen the QBZ-95G?

[xTheWarlordx]

@iChayce Nop not really, isnt it a chinese weapon?

[cct17]

@xTheWarlordx no russian

[miha0804]

@iChayce QBZ-95G was invented after OTS-14 "Groza"

QBZ-95G был изобретён уже после оц-14"гроза"

[savage495]

@xTheWarlordx you must admit that American Weapons are very acurate also.

[Tamatoy]

@xTheWarlordx hhahahaaha so true xD

[ahunkofspam]

@xTheWarlordx German Weapons= Every possible good thing about a gun. lol

[stunngun99]

@xTheWarlordx and what the hack´s about the stuff coming from Europe??

AUG

Famas

Fn FAL or F2000

Don´t forget us !! =0

^^

[Hawkeye323232]

@xTheWarlordx M16's aren't very expensive, nor are they that complicated. Someone can learn to strip and clean one in about 2 hours, unless they are a complete numpty's mired in their own inadequacy.

[IronDeath]

@xTheWarlordx not exactly true. Russian weapons are cheap simple and reliable, but they are usually not practical.

American Weapons are also cheap, they are simple with more moving parts, and reliable, but the advantage they have is that they are practical weapons.

Example: AK-47 has a lot of firepower, rarely jams, but its inaccurate as all hell.

M-16: moderate firepower, jams more than the AK (special adaption models or M16A3/A4s don't have the same problems) but is super accurate!

[xTheWarlordx]

@IronDeath why do you need accuracy when if the moment comes it jams, or dosnt fire. The Ak isnt accurate i agree, but you can spray supressive fire non stop one bullet finds always your target ;-) also lets not compare a 7.62 bulelt with a nato 5.56, i saw what the 7.62 is capable to do, its what makes the AK a hell of a weapon.

[IronDeath]

@xTheWarlordx American weapons are not guaranteed to jam or misfire. The chances are higher, but in testing the M16 and M4's passed through over 12,000 rounds without a stoppage, AK did 20K. Which means that the M16 and M4's jam less than 1/2 as much, and considering how precise those things operate, I'd say thats damn good!

AK is NOT a true 7.62, a true 7.62 is the 7.62x51mm or the 7.62x54mm. The AK is a 7.62x39mm which means its traveling WAY slow. 5.56 is more lethal if it hits the target!

[Southern661]

@IronDeath No weapon is guarenteed not to malfunction. Recent army testing found over 800 catastrophic failures of the M4 which could not have been fixed in the field.

7.62x39mm is .311 caliber, and it packs quite a whallop with 125 grains moving long at 2300 fps. Studies in handgun lethality show "fight stopping" capability when a round is at or above 1350 fps, so the AK has more than enough velocity to be deadly out to realistic distances.

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[Southern661]

@IronDeath Many people believe that veolcity is a stand alone incapacitator ever since the introduction of the 5.56 in the 1960s, which is a fallacy.

The .223 or 5.56mm cartridge has less of an effective range than the 7.62x39mm, mainly because it requires alot more velocity for its wounding effects as the result of a small, light bullet, and the consequence is that it looses 500 fps per 100 yards, that is a significant loss because the round loses its effectiveness below 2500 feet per second.

[Southern661]

@IronDeath The heavier 125 grain bullet of the 7.62x39mm cartridge allows enough momemtum for decent preformance even out to longer distances, as it looses velocity slower and it does not rely on velocity for wounding, as long as its above 1350 feet per second like any bullet of substantial diameter and weight, of which the 5.56 is not. It does excell in some places the x39 does not, however, like capacity, accuracy, and over penetration is not in its nature. Making it versitile within 100 yrds

[briantotse3]

@xTheWarlordx

American weapons= ALWAYS built by the lowest bidder.

[weerd2normal]

@xTheWarlordx Western european weapons : crap or extrmely high quality. fairly good reliability

[USAAIRPOWER]

@xTheWarlordx

Your fucking stupid this is should how it be stupid.

Russian Weapons = Cheap, Garbage, and reliable.

American Weapons = Accurate, Big Bang, and Reliable (HK 416)

Chinese weapons = Eating you Russian weapons shits away for good.

[xTheWarlordx]

@USAAIRPOWER Shows how much you know about weapons, HK an american weapon? hahahaha

[AGeekWithAShotgun]

@xTheWarlordx

The HK416 was designed by HK FOR american forces so....

and it's based on the original AR-15 design, so credits go to USA

[xTheWarlordx]

@AGeekWithAShotgun credits go to usa for what?

[AGeekWithAShotgun]

@xTheWarlordx

For creating the weapon that the HK-416 is based on, the Armalite-15.

Being that the Armalite-15 is one of the most lightest, most accurate and most modular assault rifles every made.

The HK-416 is really nothing more than a pistoned AR-15.

[xTheWarlordx]

@AGeekWithAShotgun the AK47 is based on the Stg44 too does for that go the credits of the ak47 to the germans?