Todd Friel's "Bullhorn Guy" Response (Part 2)

[SuperSoaker7000]

Loving? What was done? A hand shake? Really? .....? Are you seeing a theme here??????

[mrmscott1661]

this guy is awful

[Bluesnaggs]

Todd Friel cracks me up! He's awesome! He shows the problem with the nonconfrontational therapeutic gospel that exists in Purpose Driven and Emergent "churches."

[thedoctorisin13]

children of the devil??? did lucifer create the heavens and the earth??? did saten create the first man and woman??

[AirdrieRPCS]

@thedoctorisin13

"For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does." John 8:44

[jlee106]

Thanks, Todd Friel!

[zachafrey]

your kind of a jackass

[lucy9359]

My husband is a street preacher. The bullhorn guys are rude and condemning. My husband brings food to the homeless. Love in action. We are not ignorant when we tell the truth and neither is this guy. I don' t believe we should be offensive or obnoxious about how to talk to people!

[Brucev7]

@lucy9359 God bless your ministry of Jesus Christ. Rom 10:14

[Palindrome700]

Once agen Todd Friel is speaking sum Gospo truth

[dhenry531]

did this guy watch the same bullhorn video i did?

[jamichelash]

is this the same guy who does the steak knife commercials

[pull75]

you erased my comment WOW! Great defense

[worldsworstjukebox]

This makes me ill. Be good for goodness sake. Todd, stop telling everyone else how miserable they are. Misery loves company and you, sir, are miserable.

[chapteredout]

Ok im not a huge fan of arguing about theories but the way he approached people right there wasnt through a bullhorn and yelling that they were going to burn in hell if they didnt become a believer, no1 would have stopped to talk to him if he approached them that way. us as christians should just preach the gospel to the lost. theres no " proper" way to do it.with some people u just have to yell, and some u just talk to. its all love if its from the heart, and if the heart is pure! mat. 28 19

[JBC1214]

I understand the idea of getting to knowa person before you evangelize them, but you're not going to see most people ever again. What if there is only one chance.

I like Rob Bell's idea, in theory, but I don't see how it can work in most cases on a day to day basis.

I believe both Rob's and Todd's hearts are in the right place, but I don't think Rob's method is the best for saving.

Just a thought...

[servingtheKing89]

Todd Friel is awesome!!

[justinswhite11]

He sure is! I just wish that maybe he would quite going after other Christians all the time (i.e. Rick Warren, Rob Bell, etc.) If there theology is completely incorrect that is one thing ( T.D. Jakes, Joel Olsteen) but it's constant and you know what they say about pointing fingers. When you point one you have 3 pointing back at you!

[worldsworstjukebox]

"I just wish that maybe he would quite going after other Christians all the time..."

Further evidence that no one can come to a firm agreement on what Christianity is. Atheists take a lot of flack from born again fundies, but fundies save their biggest attacks for each other.

[Rhuanjl]

The point is that many who claim to be chrsitian have just made up their own ideas, if we head back to the bible and take it at it's word we're not left with any questions on the core issues.

[worldsworstjukebox]

"Take it at its word"? Do you mean stoning children and homosexuals to death? Stoning people for collecting sticks on the Sabbath? Praising a god who sends two wild bears to kill 42 children after they make fun of a bald man?

[Rhuanjl]

Nope, taking the Bible at it's word won't lead to stoning anyone, unless you believe that you're living in the theocracy of ancient israel (note, that ceased to exist quite some time ago), Sending wild bears to kill young men who were mocking God's servant, and oposing the teaching of righteousness, I can fully understand, you always have to read the context for passages...

[worldsworstjukebox]

If we're dismissing Old Testament rules then let's start with the 10 Commandments, shall we?

If I'm not mistaken, the god you believe in is supposed to be unchanging, constant, eternal. He never changes his mind, right? Why, then, would it not be OK to still throw rocks at children for misbehaving until they're dead? Would it still be OK to have 2 bears rip little kids to shreds for the "crime" of mocking someone? Is your god so petty that he murders children (like in the flood)?

[Rhuanjl]

..... *facepalm* Regarding OT laws, there are various categories, some of them are ceremonial and were pointing to Jesus and are therefore relevant today only in helping us to understand him, others were not ceremonial and are just as valid today as ever, these are generally all affirmed in the NT. However, even when a law from the OT is still valid, the punishments for failign to keep them are not to be practised because those were for the theocratic Israel.

[Rhuanjl]

We all deserve to die and go to hell for all eternity for the way we have rebelled against God. Start from that point and the fact that anyone is breathing at the moment is a sign of incredible mercy and love from God, work it up from there.

[worldsworstjukebox]

That is one of the most shocking, disturbing things I've ever read. I'm very sorry for whatever events have lead you to believe something so horrible. I don't mean that in a condescending way, really I don't. I hope you do a little investigating and look into your worldview some more and find out just how far your perception's been twisted. I wish you the best, but I can't keep entertaining such nonsense if that's how you really see the world.

[Rhuanjl]

Think about the idea of a holy God, think about everything you have being from him, and then think that you've broken every one of his laws.

[worldsworstjukebox]

Think about the idea that you've been completely conned into believing such nonsense. Has it ever crossed your mind that you could be wrong? I have to ask: Outside of what you've read in the Bible, do you have any reason at all to believe the Bible is true? I've read a lot of it, and I find it utterly laughable.

[Rhuanjl]

I have examinded my faith as critically as I can, I ahve found no holes. Historically, analyse the 1st centuary, the New Tetsament stands up.

[worldsworstjukebox]

Well if you've seriously and honestly examined your faith as critically as you can then I can't fault you for that. I did the same thing, beginning 5 years ago, and ended up as an atheist. Often times people can make the same effort yet come to different conclusions. I have reached a point where I'm done debating theists; it's time for me to move on. I know where I stand and there's no use spending my time debating people with opposing views.

All the best to you!

[Rhuanjl]

I thank you for the good wishes, and I return them. I hope however that you will in time come to look again at the gospel.

[Rhuanjl]

Rob Bell's book the velvet elvis is full of heresy. It suggests that the Christian religion is more about works than faith, it suggests that christianity is about the religous experience rather than about knowing God. (for a few starting points, it gets worse and worse)

[worldsworstjukebox]

What's so good about faith? Wouldn't you rather have belief based on evidence and facts? Faith is absolute trust in something, even when the evidence points in the other direction. You don't live your life that way, do you?

"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." -Mark Twain

[jrbostian]

this approach is great, but none of these guys got saved. rob bell just means that we love people for who they are, learn their story, build a relationship with them so that they aren't being talked to by some stranger who knows nothing about them and wants them to be saved. there is nothing wrong with that! i wish this guy could have made better use of his time and energy to reach the lost instead of making a video to hate on rob bell

[yebkamin]

the type of preaching he does at the end isn't what rob bell was talking about, he is talking about the bullhorn approach of passing judgment in a loud shouting voice to the masses. I'm sure he has no problems with the approach in the video

[solapower4100]

I never realised Jesus talked so much about hell .

seems he only talked a few verses on it

[tool2scream05]

You know, Friel would do very well for himself to show that he's actually interested in this type of Gospel presentation more often than he does. In most videos and radio talks, he sounds greatly opposed to this type of thing.

Bravo Todd Friel, Bravo. Now PLEASE, stop misinterpreting different Emerging/Emergent guys and actually get interested in what they're saying. They are NOT the way you describe them in the beginning of part 1. Some, sure, but the majority? No, not by a long shot.

[redmattuk]

IDK man, he's really accepting and gentle when people make concessions on their theology when they're wrong. He's trying his best from what I can gather. You can't blame him for getting a little frustrated, there is ALOT of crazy stuff out there and MANY people are big into it.

[tool2scream05]

"he's really accepting and gentle when people make concessions on their theology when they're wrong"

What is your point? Anyone can be gracious when someone else admits they're wrong. My problem is when Todd is wrong as often as he is, and he's NEVER gracious about that. He has NO clue what "emerging church" even really means, but yet he runs his mouth about it constantly. It's SO irritating. You can tell he hasn't read a single book by an emerging author with any serious attention.

[redmattuk]

I haven't read Rob Bells books but I have read a few pages and what he has said is enough to disqualify myself from listening to him.

[tool2scream05]

For one, Rob Bell is not every emerging christian... secondly, that doesn't change the fact that Todd Friel is often wrong or one-sided... he often shortchanges the gospel and christianity, waters it down.

I haven't come to defend Rob Bell, he's not a source for me on theology or biblical study either. My point had to do with Todd Friel's usual poor theology, poor arguments, and terribly wrong understanding of emerging Christians... and how i was surprised that he was right and loving here.

[sansysaysa]

eeeee.... you remind me of my shrink,you pity nonbelievers. news flash! god loves us no matter what,we are always children of god. you know, i dont care how you treat nonbelievers, i just think your a moron. i see "christen people" in my youth group judging my sister just because she has a mohawk, they judge my brother because he's big.your one of those people,you wanna force people into loving god.

[melaniestevens]

♥♥♥♥ love Todd Friel

[melaniestevens]

♥

[jerro19711971]

What if you've never commited any sin. Ever! Do you get top floor in Lords house?

[Fisherofmen92]

everyone's sinned. There is none righteous. Not one. we have all turned away from God. Check out 1 John 1:10.

[lmcash1]

Great video! We need to realize that the Gospel is the power of God for salvation. The real impetus behind the other view is that we give ourselves a chance to establish ourselves as "cool" with the other person before we share the gospel, thereby minimizing the risk of rejection and embarrassment.

[lmcash1]

The problem is that a person can never come to Christ until they are cognizant of their own sinfulness and resultant need for a saviour. Christ didn't die primarily to make us "whole people" in the pop-psychology sense, but to save us from eternal death.

When we try to get into people's heads and figure out how we think they'll respond or feel if I say this or that, we are trying to take over the role of the Holy Spirit. It's the Spirit's job to make the gospel result in salvation.

[lmcash1]

All we have to do is give them the Gospel, in a loving manner of course, but with every part intact. Remember in all of this, the wisdom of God is foolishness to the world. If you use the world's way of thinking to figure out how to do evangelism, you'll end up with a powerless gospel that fails to make true disciples. Be a fool and trust God for the results!

[girliving4god]

...or maybe ppl r created 2 have different views of who God is, so that each of us can sho others a different aspect of God. cuz i mean.. can any 1 person perfectly imitate the characteristics of who God is?

its like the different parts 2 the "body of Christ." bullhorn guy might b the mouth, but maybe dr. love is the heart.

[girliving4god]

maybe theres a "happy medium" between these 2 ideas. maybe theres a step 1 and step 2. ppl r more open 2 hear the message preached by some1 who actually gives a rats ass about them...

[girliving4god]

the difference between rob bells view, and this doods view, is that rob sees evangelism on a personal level. this dood condemned these guys 2 hell, and they listened... but did any of them accept Christ as their personal Savior? ppl might b polite and listen 2 wut bullhorn guy has 2 say, but that doesnt mean that bullhorn guy did any good...

[crazydisciple]

oi,....whoever did this video. why cant you get on with your own life? loser

[gtrjunky]

Somewhere along the way(within the past 50 years or so) modern preachers began to forsake the use of God's law in evangelism.

There is an equal balance of elements used in evangelism, but for some reason, someonne along the way decided to abandon some of these elements. Nowadays we have a "new gospel"(Gal.1:6-9). One that only speaks about "nice","positive" things that people want to hear(2Tim.4:3,4)in an attempt to try and make an offensive message non offensive.

[gtrjunky]

People should come to Christ for His kindness and His goodness. But His kindness is only truely revealed in light of God's judgement and God's view of the exceeding wickedness of sin.

Hell, Judgement, Sin, Righteousness...these are all part of the big picture that all need to know and understand.

[newsong40]

When Friel makes the gospel about going to heaven it plays not only on their fears, but on their narcissism. So the approach uses sin to bring someone to repentance. My other problem is that Friel is taking the easy way out. Anyone can spend an afternoon sharing the gospel with strangers. It takes sacrifice to share your life with people who don't know God. This is the way Jesus did it, He poured His life into 12 individuals, only to be denied by one and betrayed by another. Praise HIM!

[gtrjunky]

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Proverbs 1:7

also Pr.3:7

[RainyEden]

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, not the fear of HELL. That's why this approach to evangelism is wrong. Asking a child to respect, obey, and "fear" their parents out of love is different than telling him to fear the punishment of going against their will. I would hate to be a member of that family.

[gtrjunky]

Who decided we can't talk about Hell?

[gtrjunky]

If there were no consequences or justice from God then why would anyone fear Him? He would just be a big pushover.

[RainyEden]

Of course He would! That's why there are consequences in the first place. We can talk about Hell all we want- but if non-Christians don't even believe it exists, then how can they be afraid of it? It's like telling children to love and obey their parents or the Bogey Man under their bed will take them away forever. But God does exist (unlike the Bogey Man), and it's our mission to let them in on the secret of love, not the consequences of not having it.

[gtrjunky]

The Word says that men are without excuse (Rom.1) and also God has put eternity in the hearts of men (Ecc.3:11) So just because people "say they don't believe" does not mean anything.

People say they don't believe in God or Jesus or miracles.....does it really matter?

[newsong40]

First, I'd like to say praise God for people like Todd Friel AND Rob Bell for telling others about Jesus. That being said, I think that Friel (and many other American Christians) got the main purpose of the gospel wrong. Jesus came to reconcile us to God (Romans 5:10). Part of that reconciliation is heaven, but to think that is the entirety of it is to miss the point. The Creator and Sustainer of the Universe wants to have a love relationship with us! (continued)

[originalperthling]

Todd, I can understand why this approach may sit uncomfortably with some Christians. There are different ways to evangelise, and a 'confrontational' style may not be everyone's strength.

However often we limit ourselves for fear of offending those we witness to, but your interviewees demonstrated this concern is not always justified.

The approach sounds familiar to Ray Comfort's "Hell's Best Kept Secret" - a good starting point for other viewer's whose attention was really caught by this video.

[Bassani22]

This is loving people with an agenda...how is that love? These random strangers aren't going to be real with you, they dont know you. you dont have a relationship with these people. This is bothersome.

[feedbackdude]

I love this guy's theology. God is so loving that he'll save us from himself and of course he does this by "sacrificing" (it's not much of a sacrifice if he's only dead like 40 to 50 hours) his son. And all we have to do is believe. Sounds simple enough until it comes in contact with reality.

I couldn't have come up with something so sick and twisted if I tried. Maybe I should invent my own cult too so I can be remembered for thousands of years.

[NoWorries88]

Oh how I wish this had more than 7,000 views!

[PinkandPurpleCrayons]

ok, i don't really agree with this, God's love for us is eternal, and he does want us to repent from our sins and he rejoyces when we do. But i think that your method of converting is a little to intence and to harsh. We need to be gentle with them, and not try and force faith on them. Because think about it kids don't want to do things when forced they become unwilling to do them, and thats how it would be like when forcing faith and God on people.

Well,thats just my opinion

[mlc2537]

In what way was he forcing faith on them though?

[Hawkestonian]

Very interesting. True love for the neighbor (2nd greatest commandment) means that we are willing to tell the truth in love. God uses the preaching of His word to save people from their sins. If we approach evangelism with candy flavoured messages thinking that we can entice someone we are dead wrong! Only the Lord can open an empty and dead heart! We are dead in our sins until God in His mercy and grace saves us through Christ alone. The TRUTH is the most important thing.

[NoStrawDog]

Heck yeah this guy rocks!

Jesus wasn't smart enough to avoid the man.

[bloewen36]

so i agree that Jesus wanted us to warn people, but what i dont agree with is when he just said that The bible never says God loves people just the was they are. HeDoes! It says, even while we were sinners, Christ died for us becuase he loved us. Also if you ask a complete stranger about their personal life, of course they wont just tell you everything. What rob bell was saying is that you can convert people just to do it. Love and realationships with people first are more impportant....

[mcanthony84]

This is a true perspective,bloewen36. Glad to see someone has some God given wisdom.

[gkm66]

YAWN

[rockthecasbah12345]

matt 18:15 "if there is a brother in sin show him his fault" Hell and stuff makes people uneasy but its truth but be careful how you do it if you judge a person for sin you are being a hypocrite Share your faith share the truth but dont be silent Martin Luther King said "there comes a time when silence is betrayal"

yes blowing a bullhorn in someone's face is probably not the best thing, but neither is sitting and being silent.

[rockthecasbah12345]

there is a difference between being obnoxious and being honest being loving and being silent and allowing evil. 1 cor. 13 "love is patient, love is kind"

[Bluedragon094]

IMHO, on terms of how loving each approach, they were about the same. Now which one got the message across better, obviously the latter of the 2.

I just wish that conversions to christianity didn't involve emotional appeal to a fear of eternal damnation, though.

[TheFantomLord]

Them going to hell is not your choice.

John 3:17 "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."

Matthew 6:33-34

"But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."

Do not worry about Jesus' second coming.

[wishyouwerehere21]

funny how god never mentions hell in the old testament or the need for atonement,try finding the word hell or original sin in the old testament you wont, you will find the word sheol which means grave,also jesus could not of been the messiah OT says he build 3rd temple,bring world peace,and be a man not the son of god,you christians just make it fit when it doesnt

[TheFantomLord]

we are the third temple, he brought peace to the world, not world peace. he was a man, flesh and blood.

[Skaball]

Whatever happened to I Corinthians 13? If God is love(I John 4:8), and I Corinthians 13 is the definition of love, doesn't God, then, possess those qualities and desire for us to embrace those qualities in our own lives?

[philippians121]

yes thats 100% true.

Todd is just arguing the truth that without God's Law, his love doesn't make too much sense.

We have to know we are sinners and bound for hell before God's free gift of salvation means anything to us. If our life is going great and someone says "God really loves you and has a great plan for your life",

[philippians121]

will only give people a strange view of God's love without the law. We have to know we are saved from DAMNATION for his incredible love to mean what it is.

Paul agrees in Romans 7:7

For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet."

[Skaball]

I understand where you're coming from, but isn't it the work of the Holy Spirit to convict the hearts of the wicked?

[Nootlebot]

the idea isn't to not tell people about sin and things because it's "unfriendly". it turns people away immediately. . Rob bell is saying to love them first. Show them what it means to be a follower of christ. then they will understand, and when their heart is ready you can tell them all the other information. Then they will repent because they want to, not because they were scared into it. God sees our hearts and he knows if we are repenting for superficial reasons.

[wishyouwerehere21]

i dont see how you couldnt be turned away still, ive read the bible and its very disgusting,

who would wanna worship a god like that who is obsessed with his ego obedience,torture human sacrifice, we dont need God's forgiveness if he exists he needs ours,if we are all sinners then it because he made us that way, salvation is for losers

[Nootlebot]

you've read the bible? were you reading it because you were honestly searching for the truth or because you wanted to be able to speak badly about it later?

I believe God made me in his image to follow a path that he planned out for me. He wants me to live like Jesus did - not sinning and loving everyone. I try to be more like him each day, but it is hard for me (because im not perfect. The bible says that Jesus faced every temptation that we do) and I do need forgiveness for my shortcomings.

[DMhessian17]

Except Rob Bell DOES give the salvation message. Every video tells people how much God loves them no matter what wrongs they've committed and that He is always there, and what a surprise, you can do it without the condemnation! This guy acting like he's actually using Christ's methods is sad and pathetic, and he ought to reconsider how much his supposed methods are helping people.

[philippians121]

DMhessian17, you don't understand how important the Law (condemnation) is to show people they will die and be in hell without Jesus.

The most loving way to tell people the salvation message is the TRUTHFUL ONE with the fact that without Jesus they will be in hell!

1 Cor. 13 says love rejoices with the truth. We need to share the truth!

[DMhessian17]

1 John 3:18; "Dear Children, let us not love with words or tongue, but with actions and in truth."

People don't give a rip about what you have to say until you've demonstrated to them that you love them entirely (and not just because you wanna witness to them). Of course love rejoices with the truth, because if you love someone truly, they notice it!

[jesusfreakrkg]

you are very pragmatic. you think you can convince someone to be saved?? lol. salvation is a work of CHRIST ALONE. If you do something that really affects the person's eternal destiny, then you would get some of the glory. Thankfully, the wind blows where it wishes. John 3:8

[DMhessian17]

Was this supposed to be directed at my comment? Because it really doesn't apply to what I said.

[douglashlane]

So, how much time do you spend convincing them that you love them? Should we spend a minute, an hour, a day, a week, a month, a year? How long before they feel loved enough by us that we can share the Gospel with them? And what happens if they die while we are trying to show them love before we share the Gospel? Then, as they go to Hell unwarned, have we been loving?

[DMhessian17]

How long is not yours to worry. God will give you the opportunity to SPEAK the Gospel, but LIVING the Gospel is something you should do without question. Todd Friel's method really only gives credit to the individual, another notch on the belt for winning souls for God. Instead of getting people into heaven, how about we try and bring a piece of heaven to them? Who's really being pragmatic here?

[douglashlane]

Romans 10:14-17

[DMhessian17]

What's in question here isn't whether or not you preach, but how you preach. How beautiful can the message of the Gospel be if you aren't showing it? Guarantee you, Paul made a point to demonstrate the love of Christ before preaching it. I really don't see Todd Friel doing that.

"Preach the Gospel at all times, and, when necessary, use words." - St. Francis of Assisi

[douglashlane]

Interestingly enough, apparently, St. Francis never actually said that. Furthermore, words are always necessary. True, they must be accompanied by action, but how can they hear unless someone preaches?

[DMhessian17]

Also...

John 3:17; "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might live through Him."

If Christ didn't come to condemn, why do you condemn? How is the salvation message untruthful without condemnation when the Bible says that Christ's motives weren't condemnation?

[makehimnum1]

I do share Jesus. He changed my whole life. I give of myself constantly, and when I finish school I'm headed overseas for him. That is the truth right? Jesus is the truth.

[harrystaab]

As much as I love Rob Bell's preaching of love and the idea of restoration (people DO need to know that message) I have always had a problem with his lack of a salvation message. No one wants to be yelled at or condemned, however, like Todd explains, there is no need for a savior if you don't know you need saving.

[makehimnum1]

Jesus came to restore what was broke right? What was the point, the cross or resurrection? (note I consider both to be important, but what was the point?)

[giarmoj]

Dude...Ok... that's called blaspheme... dude

[wishyouwerehere21]

yeah JESUS CHRIST!! GOD DAMN!! Jesus is a Megalomaniacal piece of crap

[alienjesus2012]

children of the devil?!?

o noes !

[theSouliLLUSION]

It's always troubled me that fear is the prime motivator in most forms of Christianity. The message is be a christian, not for the love of fellow man but for the fear of what will happen if you arn't a christian. Fear and shame are the hammer and sickle of Christianity time and time again.

[makehimnum1]

Fear of hell is not the prime motivator. Otherwise, God put us on the earth to turned conditionally to him because we are so afraid of hell, not really because we want to. I wouldn't want that kind of bride.

[BudhagRizzo]

It seems like the answers the kids gave which weren't favorable were edited out and only the choice ones were left in. Typical...

[makehimnum1]

I see how Rob Bell's theology defines the way he lives, and I like what I see. I see how is critics theology define how they live, and it scares me.

[jdcs1528]

that means you would have been scared of he way John the Baptist preached and Jesus and Paul and the other apostles... which makes me worry about you makehimnum1

[makehimnum1]

The only people Jesus yelled at (for the most part) were the religious people. the temple incident might be an exception. John yelled at the Religious people too. When they would've talked on corners and called people to repentance it was different that the "generalized" bullhorn guy Bell is speaking of. Also, Paul mostly talked to diaspora (Jews -religious people- who never returned from exile). The greeks discussed things like he did with them. etc.

[nathaningold]

Todd Friel has met his match...

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[CovanentFilms]

wow. i wonder what God is thinking right now...looking at all this. we are so weak, so useless,so full of ourselves,so insignificant,and yet we bicker and argue, we are not afraid to scold or judge or scare. And the worst part is we do all this in the name of God. Preach love, pray for wisdom, live in peace. Thats the best you can do. The Holy Spirit will do the rest.

[rdgage]

HAHA! Those guys off the street had no idea what they were walking into. Ten bucks says they didn't understand half the stuff Todd was saying.

[luchohasbon]

luk 15 , 11-32.God as a father is always waiting with his loving arms wide open.nye fear. nye condemnation, nye pain.obedience is just a consequence of loving God.and knowing God is a consequence of God's love to human kind.that in our natural state of sinners he gave his only child, isnt it the most important thing to teach first?

[xxOctavariumxx]

Friel must not know the Bible too well. God wants the tired and the broken. The not good enoughs. Peter couldn't even read, and Christ wanted him as a desciple.

OF COURSE Christ meets us where we are. He doens't even understand what Rob Bell was trying to say.

[jdcs1528]

what are you trying to say xxOctavariumxx ? as fare as i know that anyone who breaks the 10 commandments is "not good enough" so whats your point?

[luchohasbon]

rob and this guy are right.... but this guy is so agressive...please understand... you obey easier by loving trully more than fearing... if you show to ppl a doctrine of fear... they wont come back...you must first teach Gods love...then you will obey

[jdcs1528]

i know you believe that because its easy and less offensive but if you read scripture you will find the complete opposit when it comes to witnessing, go through scripture and look at every time Jesus, Paul, John the Baptist witnessed to people and read Acts and Romans, then tell me do you want to witness the way that you think is right or the way the scripture shows

[luchohasbon]

gal 5, 19.fear isnt there.isaiah 41,10 jhon 3:16..gen 18:24. love.love jesus didnt called peter or luke to obey because of his power.first he knows each one of them.. they become friends.he teaches.

[jdcs1528]

uchohasbon, you have made a grave mistake, you assume those verses are talking to everyone, some advice to the wise, when studying scripture make sure you know some backround, like whats going on during this time period, who is doing the talking and who is he or she talking to, then you will know what to say to Christians and to sinners, they are drastically different

[luchohasbon]

thanks for the advice.but as you understand the deep part of those verses.the purpose.you may see some of my point.this week in isaiah 48.God spoke to me and in isaiah 41, 10.what im trying to say is God.the main quality is love.not anger.not punishment.

[luchohasbon]

Jhon 3:16.... please you must let them understand God loved them first... and I know I have my failures. Im just 18 . knowing God like for just 2 years, its easier to involve someone with God when u say ..hey God loves you.. he has a plan with you ..he gave his only child... is different from starting like hey u r going to hell.. the most of ppl is living hell daily..

[jdcs1528]

im glad you are reading and studying scripture, that in itself is encouraging, if you have time you should do a study in scripture on every time Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, or any other deciples witnessed to people, the pattern you will see is they alwasy gave the law to the proud and grace to the humble, also if you are a new Christian i would recomend a study of Romans

[jdcs1528]

Psalm 19:7, Galatians 3:24, and in 1 Timothy 1:9,10 gives a list of who the law is for, these are just a few verses to start with but like i said before this look at all the times preachers witnessed to people and you will see the Biblical way to share the Gosple, grace to the humble and law to the proud

[luchohasbon]

thanks... I know I have to study... well its hard at beginning..because I dont have the habit still...but thanks for the advice... Ill try it... God bless you

[TheFantomLord]

talking was not the first way that Jesus and his disciples witnessed to people. the first way was in their actions and they way they treated people, i.e. showing God's love, before they even said anything about heaven and hell.

[gtrjunky]

So they went into the cities and walked around for a few days,weeks,months, loved on people and then preached the Gospel?

[lb10128]

The ten commandment are an example of gods perfection.

commandments #9-10, Exodus 34:26 "You shall bring the first of the first fruits of your ground to the house of Yahweh your God. "You shall not boil a young goat in its mother's milk." Sorry your God is mythical and petty.

[jamesbeyer]

He doesn't understand what Rob Bell was trying to say. You can't approach everyone the same way. In all of his examples they had a Christian background so they were more receptive to the gospel. When Evangelizing people are either Jews or Greeks, if their jews you can start with the gospel, Greeks you have to go all the way back to Genisis and start with who God is.

[macman13]

God created everything that exists, evil exists, ergo, god is evil.

[jamesbeyer]

God did not create evil. God is good. When we choose to live without God we are living in evil. Ask a scientist.Does cold exist. No. Cold does not exist, cold is merely the absence of heat. Only heat exists.We merely put a name on the absence of God--Evil.

[macman13]

then god failed to put "heat" there and therefore created the absence of "heat," aka cold.

remember, heat=good cold=bad

[joeysforza]

Todd Friel = the man, but no where nearr Jesus!

[sheatheman]

21 to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law; 22 to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23 Now this I do for the gospel's sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.

[johnny07652]

Great, great, great point. While I admire and support people like Friel for doing what they do, I think too often they put things out there as being much simpler than they are, and I think this doesn't help the rest of us.  I think it's misleading how they talk with us.

[sheatheman]

finally someone here who can see what I am trying to say.

it is also really bad when people like Friel have "followers." followers that are unwilling to look at other people. there isn't a formula for witnessing. Look at Paul and Barnabas.

[sheatheman]

Look at what Paul says in 1 Corinthians.

19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; 20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law,that I might win those who are under the law; (continued in next comment)

[sheatheman]

i agree that you cant leave out the hell part of the Gospel. and i know that the poster of this video probably want see this, but look at how a lot of people respond to this video.

they would not respond that way to Bullhorn Guy.

witnessing to some people isnt as easy as just laying it out for them like this and some people WILL find it offensive if you tell them that because of what they have done they are going to hell.

[hrmoore41]

Ive witnessed to hundreds in the way Friel did, and honestly at least 9 out of every 10 people shake my hand and thank me, not because Im a personable or cool guy (im not either), but because what I said made sense and they could tell I cared.

[hrmoore41]

The truth is, the gospel will always be offensive to some people. Peter wasnt crucified upside-down for nothing. Its not important what we think is "effective" or "loving". The question is what is biblical? Jesus, his disciples & apostles preached repentance, sin, righteousness, and judgement to come. These things can & should be preached in a loving way, but the gospel will always be offensive to many.

[sheatheman]

what about people who just do not believe that the bible has any authority. most people I talk to dont. They think that it can be interpreted in many ways. This is todays generation of intellectuals. Relativism or Pluralism. All religions are roads that lead to ultimate truth. so when you share the Gospel with this method, they just smile and say, well I dont think that is what it means.

[davidthebravid]

I am the Way the Truth and the life, No one comes to the father except through me. John 14:6

[sheatheman]

yes I know that. but they don't and scripture has no authority in their mind. you cannot just say "the bible says..." and call it a day.

I am not saying that there is more than one way to God, Jesus is the only way, yes. my point is the way of the master method does not work on every person you meet. Some of my friends at the community college are atheists, and showing them scripture doesn't do anything.

[iamannahearmeroar]

Your ignorance continues to amaze me.

[CCRunner524]

The issue is what way is more effective. I believe relational is the most effective nowdays. Not just going up to people and telling them about Jesus. Be intentional and become friends with them over time (more than just that day) and then tell them...in my experience its much more effective. We have to realize its not the only way...its a way. And for us to argue about it goes against the Bible also.

[CCRunner524]

This wasnt effective either...why? sure both sides are loving...but thats not the issue. He isnt bullhorning. He isnt standing on the corner yelling to people.

[pash777]

That's why i think our due is to "doorbell ditch" so people will finally hear and they will come and open to see who is waiting. Jesus our precious Friend.. If i'm yelling at the bullhorn it's like i'm breaking the door and making my way in, so you see making MY WAY in. I am a tool in his hand, ready to be use. Lord here i am send me...

(sorry for my english, i'm french)

[pash777]

The way i see it, its more like God is standing at the door and He is knocking. The noises we make in our lives can keep us from hearing Him at the door. We have free will; we can choose not to open, but if we want Him in our lives, we must listen for Him.

[pash777]

I means God wants us to take part of his will. Our job is not to convince people is to show them the way to take. If i yell to everyone that their going to hell or if their gay they won't go to heaven, thats not the way that we'll be able to touch them. love will....

[pash777]

Yeah you guys don't get it, Rob Bell never said that talking to people ,having a time to listen to what they have to say , and talking to them about God, wera bad things. He just said that, yelling to everyone around with a bullhorn won't prove anything.

[BrynnNicole]

the real point rob bell was trying to make, is that as Christians, we are not going to disciple to other Christians through messages of wrath and fire, but through love, just as Jesus did.

[jesslehmandown]

why are we as Christians fighting against each other? i respect you sir but we need to stand together despite our differences. there is so much injustice, disease, and hurt in this world...why haven't we learned to fight against those things instead of each other?

[gnatural]

why should we fight against those things, im not saying they are not important, but people are going to hell over false teaching, at that is far more important thn fighting disease and injustice. For it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God.believ it. If you dont repent of your sin and trust in the savior, your in trouble.

[jesslehmandown]

Matthew 9:12 "When Jesus heard this, he said, 'Healthy people don't need a doctor—sick people do.'"

[djallfiredup]

Yep saw the Bullhorn guy from Rob Bell, horrible stuff. Pretty slimy stuff. What kind of "love" would only listen to people as they are going to hell? That's not love, that's...just plain sick. You can talk to people about sin, judgement, hell, righteousness, wickedness, wrath without insulting them.

[redemptionishere]

amen!

[ImImaginary]

thanks for posting these videos!

[goonole]

Ugghhhhhh. He does the opposite of what most street preachers do. Most don't sit down with people. They yell in their face, raise their voice and hold signs that are meant to offend.

Plus, the guys he talks to are set up to begin with. It's not your average person on the street.

[copealope]

By the way, are you seriously making attacks on Rob Bell's personal appearance? Wow. Love Wins man.

[djallfiredup]

Copealope, you don't get it do you?

Rob Bell is making such a gross stereotype on people's appearance. If you can't see that then you're pretty blind.

God's love was demonstrated on the Cross! He hates all who are wicked and act wicked. He gives everyone a chance to be saved - THROUGH THE CROSS. There is no other way. Rob Bell prefers to just listen to people as they go to hell rather than pointing them to be saved through the cross.

[copealope]

Have you actually seen the Nooma Bullhorn? Because it doesn't sound like it. What is the "good news" that Jesus teaches - hell and judgment? Isn't it the kingdom of God being available to us here and now? The gospel isn't about getting my butt into heaven, that's such a narrow focus. And actually listen to Rob Bell, read his books, download his sermons, before you make sweeping judgments.

[gnatural]

The good news, is Jeus Death on the cross which saves us, but me must realize, that we are vile sinner, and God sees our works as filthy rags, we must repent because we have broken his holy law, it makes sense, what a love Jesus had, that he died for me that even though i sinned and deserve death, he loved me enough to die for me and save me.

[OfficerBob62]

While we often need a counter-point on complex issues to strong voices within our society, it should be a moderated one that aims at the center rather than a strongly slanted attack on the straw-man version of another's argument.

[OfficerBob62]

Secondly, I definitely agree with the above comment that Rob Bell does not want to just hide our fallenness from us. Countless sermons at Mars Hill and his books negate that. While I feel that sometimes Rob Bell is reacting against misconceptions within Christianity and may swing out too far in emphasizing a point, Todd's response I feel is an even harder swing in the other direction. In trying to make his point he has thrown out the baby with the bath water.

[OfficerBob62]

...I don't even know where to start... First off, his attempt at the love approach was hallow because they didn't know him or have any reason to trust him. Of course they are just going to say they are fine. People are moved when they experience true love in a relationship that is steady and in a situation where the other person graciously sticks with them regardless of what happens (though this doesn't mean approves of sin - ex. Jesus with the prostitutes and tax collectors).

[stevenrussell]

Nobody ever got argued into the ams of Christ. Nobody gets brow beaten or humiliated into a relationship whose very foundation is mercy and grace. And I know there are still many preachers behind too many pulpits around the world who are still trying to scare the hell (quite literally) out of people and those people into the kingdom of God,but I don't buy it.

[delmerdarion]

i wouldn't be offended by the conversatio, either, but i probably would avoid this guy if i ever saw him again.

[Tmacster]

again, i think the point has been missed in bell's video, in no way did he mean leave out the fact that we have sinned, i agree the first way shown here would be completely inaffective bc they dont even know there is a problem, but im pretty sure that wasnt what bell had in mind

[atheistvoices]

Now this is a person that is obsessed with death. He is so afraid of death or can not imagine a world without him that he believes anything that will make him eternal. Had he been raised in a Muslim environment he'd probably been flying a plane into the towers on 9/11.