Is the "Church of "Christ" the Real Church? #2 (Debate Highlights)

[uwique]

ask a church of christ member if a person on his deathbed can be saved??..they cant answer it..lol

[maxseke]

The ICOC has done horrible things, but all churches have. The loving community that the ICOC provides is incredible, and the church follows scripture very strictly. It is fortunate that it falls under so much persecution, because that is a righteous burden.

[CAnswersTV]

@maxseke Currently we have 405 theological videos posted on YOUTUBE on all types of religious topics including over 50 hours on "Church of Christ" Campbellism. I thought we had most of our Campbellism videos posted but thanks to you I now realize that we still haven't posted our 2 hour mini-series on the "International Church of Christ" also known as the "Boston Movement" - a Campbellite cult promoted by Chuck Lucas & absorbed by Kip McKean in 1979. This is just another "works" salvation group.

[uwique]

@maxseke they dont follow scripture,,they twist scripture.

[disciple177]

i have listened to some of these debates on the church of christ and bottom line this is my conclusion after being on this planet for 57yrs. of the 370 plus christiandoms on this planet i have never seen any baptist,catholic,presbyterian, etc etc even come close the the christian life we have in the churches of christ. at college where i have seen over 60 plus nations at my college in abilene, i have to say their hearts are the best i have seen my entire life.

[CAnswersTV]

@disciple177 It doesn't matter about their lifestyle since you're biased anyway. You condemn all the other religions yet you admit that you sit over in Abilene, Texas & say the students there are better than anyone else. If you're at a Campbellite college in Abilene how do you know students at other Baptist or Presbyterian colleges don't exhibit great Christian lifestyles? Have you attended these other colleges? You're just blowing Campbellite hot air trying to crow that your cult is superior.

[uwique]

@CAnswersTV ask them questions on how a person on their deathbed can be saved..they have no answer for it,,even though,according to their twisted doctrine,they are already condemmed to hell cuase they cant be baptised with water..lol

[uwique]

@disciple177 you see people,,,thats why church of christ people dont go to hospice to preach salvation to people,according to their twisted doctrine,a person is already condemmed to hell if he/she cannot be baptised in waterusually,,they will just answer you in anger when they dont have an answer,,truth is,,they dont preach to no body,they dont pray for the sick,,and they have no idea how to lead somone to christ,,this my freinds,,is a FALSE RELIGION!!

[kikyoC]

I will like to see the whole debate not just parts of it.

[CAnswersTV]

@kikyoC This video was put up back in 2009. At that time YOUTUBE would not allow us to post more than a 10 minute video. The debate itself lasted 1 hour but we were restricted to a 10 minute segment. As of February 2011 YOUTUBE finally allowed us to post our full length videos. At the time of this writing we are now up to 392 uploaded videos on YOUTUBE (channel CANSWERSTV) with hundreds more coming. Currently we have more than 50 hours on Campbellism posted with many debates included in that.

[Servantofchrist091]

Belief is not enough James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

[CAnswersTV]

@Servantofchrist091 James 2:19 is definitely correct & a lot of so-called "Christians" will be in for a rude awakening on judgement day (Matthew 7:13-29) who had "belief" & "wonderful works" but they still will go to hell. Salvation comes from God alone (Ephesians 1:1-11, Acts 13:48, Amos 3:2, 1 Thessalonians 1:4, etc) not our puny "works righteousness" & religious church attendance plus water baptism (Campbellites put their faith in these things for salvation). Galatians 2:16 refutes this.

[ydnar0591]

@crowdaddy1000

Acts 22:16 says "Call on the name of the LORD to wash away your sins. The baptism is in the HOLY SPIRIT. Jesus baptism .....NOT John's. The washing is the "BLOOD" 1John 1:7...., NOT WATER

See all you need to do is interpret correctly...and you'll be fine.

btw you sound like you LIKE the IDEA of folks going to HELL????

[ydnar0591]

@crowdaddy1000

Really? Then get a razor blade and cut Ezekiel 36:25-30 out of your Bible !!!

It sounds like you have more faith in YOUR DENOMINATION than you do in the LORD. That can be fixwed however. It only takes repentance {a change of mind or "Turning".}

[ydnar0591]

We are not saying that H2o baptism is hard, and we don't wanna do it, NO it's easy and we should be H2o baptized definately. That's not the point, we simply do not want to allow the works of men's hands to come into the pure Salvation by Faith alone in Christ which includes repentance. God gets the Glory as it is meant to be.

Jesus commands are wonderful and need to be followed but he knows about works of the Law {Commandments} and how it does NOT SAVE {Justify} Galatians 2:16.

[CAnswersTV]

@ydnar0591 Well said. The Campbellites however believe water baptism is how you're saved "conditionally" & once you have this "conditional" salvation you must work to keep it the rest of your life or you could lose it again. The ways Campbellites believe they can hold on to their salvation are: 1. by being a member of a local Campbellite congregation, 2. applying for the "second law of pardon," 3. singing without using musical instruments in the worship service (some of them), 4. good works, etc

[ydnar0591]

@CAnswersTV

Thanx

Yes I know their "Roman Catholic like" doctrine that the water Baptism helps you "touch the Blood", just as the RCs say the "Eucharist" or the "wine" turns into the "actual blood of Jesus" at ingestion.??? BUNK !!!

Are you kidding? "a cappella" singing to keep yourself "SAVED" that's even more farout than anything the WatchTower has ever come up with.

Don't know what on earth second "LAW" of pardon is but can't wait to read it. Definately WORKS.

Thanx again.

[ydnar0591]

Mr. Williams I believe is his name wants to know in what we are washed in 1Cor 6:11?

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and "washed us from our sins in his own blood", Rev. 1:5

So there you are we are "washed in the Blood of Jesus" as the old Christiaan Hymn goes. When we call on his name as in Romans 10:8-13. H2o baptism has nothing to do with it.

[tiairrahmaly1]

He's going to say..."Depart from me...I never knew you...." If you DID NOT follow his commandments! Matthew 7:13-14 says "Enter in the strait gate.....Few there be that find it" (paraphrase, please go read the entire text) More ppl will NOT obey than WILL obey...We know the Devil is the author of confusion...But the Bible solves all confusion! The Church belongs to CHRIST it's his and he commands what goes on in his Body! All the confusion is caused by MAN!! Romans 16:16!

[CAnswersTV]

@tiairrahmaly1 Your problem is you're trusting your "church of Christ" Romans 16:16 organization rather than the Lord Jesus Christ! Instead of living for & believing in the risen Saviour for your salvation through the indwelling Holy Spirit in your body (1 Corinthians 6:19-20, Romans 8:8-17, 1 Corinthians 3:16) you're trusting your church outfit, your water baptism & your good works (Ephesians 2:8-10) to earn your way into heaven (Galatians 2:16). You need God to save you because you can't.

[volcom84bait]

@CAnswersTV Jesus christ never aknowleged himself as God---he is the mediator between God and Men --what are you talking about ???

[CAnswersTV]

@volcom84bait Jesus claimed to be the "I Am" of Exodus 3:14 in John 8:21-59 (see verse 24 & verse 58) & to fail to believe that he is God will mean "ye shall die in your sins' (verse 24); thus the Jews recognized this & tried to kill him(verse 59 & cross-reference this with John 5:18, "the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only broke the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God." Type "LARRY WESSELS TRINITY" in the YOUTUBE search box for more.

[rdsweet]

@CAnswersTV Aww. Now what. You say he needs Jesus to save. How does this get done? Acts 2:38 is clear about it.

[CAnswersTV]

@rdsweet We just uploaded a video called, "REFUTATION OF THE UNITED PENTECOSTAL CHURCH (UPC) BOOK, "THE ONENESS OF GOD" BY DAVID K. BERNARD" dealing with "Oneness Pentecostal" heretics. According to you then, since you say Acts 2:38 is the solution, the "Oneness Pentecostals" must be right since to them Acts 2:38 is central to salvation. They say you must be baptized in Jesus' name only (not the name of the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit) or you're going to hell. Were you baptized this way?

[rdsweet]

@CAnswersTV Your group & Church of Christ which I am a mmbr spend 2 much time sending ea. other 2 hell. You & the church should focus on saving the lost instead of being right. You won't know until the trumpet sounds if you were right anyway. The Bible has been translated thru the yrs & who knows the real deal. Certainly, I don't know. And Mother Teresa in all that she did whether catholicism is right or not had her doubts as to God's existence. So don't be a know it all, because you are not.

[CAnswersTV]

@rdsweet You've just destroyed your own position while proving what I've been saying about the "Church of Christ" over the last 30 years. You just proved our 2 hour YOUTUBE video series entitled, "REPLACING THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WITH CAMPBELLITE (CHURCH OF CHRIST) RELIGIOUS DUTIES #1 & #2." Your "who knows" analogy is a logical fallacy. Just because you "don't know" doesn't mean everyone is like you. You don't even know if the Bible is true! You need the Holy Spirit then you'll know.

[nachis3]

If a person has not had an experience with the Lord Jesus prior to water baptism, all that person did is get wet.

[scarebear83]

@nachis3 I would agree, you don't baptize an atheist. But they have to hear the word first: Romans 10:13-17, THAT is how one has "an experience" prior to baptism.

[scarebear83]

Question, in order to believe and have faith, isn't that something *you* do? Christ doesn't believe for you, you have to do that on your own, so isn't that a work on your part? Even the demons believed, and trembled! James 2:14-26 and notice that in verses 17, 20, and 26 all say 'faith without works is dead.' Why such emphasis? Because it's not faith vs works it's both together. An atheist cannot get to heaven by doing good deeds neither a Christian who just believes and doesn't help his brother

[CAnswersTV]

@scarebear83 Acts 13:48, "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, & glorified the word of the Lord: & as many as were ORDAINED TO ETERNAL LIFE BELIEVED." Acts 16:14, "And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: WHOSE HEART THE LORD OPENED, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul." Also John 1:12-13. TRUE BELIEVERS are supernaturally impowered by God to BELIEVE & it is their FAITH by GRACE not WORKS.

[scarebear83]

@CAnswersTV Mark 16:16 He that believes AND is baptized shall be saved he that does not believe will be condemned. Believing Is essential for salvation but without baptism one cannot be saved. (You wouldn't baptize an unbeliever cause they'd only get wet!) Acts 2:38 calls for repentance AND being baptized. You forgot to mention in Acts 16:15 that her and her whole household were baptized. But I won't argue with you on believing, one must believe to be saved but that's not all.

[CAnswersTV]

@scarebear83 Spoken as a true Campbellite. No one has forgotten anything including your out of context verses which you twist to your own destruction to create a "gospel" where water baptism becomes a "saviour" in the same manner as the Virgin Mary becomes a "saviour" (small "s" not big "s") to Roman Catholics. Please reference our article entitled, QUESTIONS TO CONSIDER CONCERNING BAPTISM found on our website BIBLEQUERY ORG (click "EXPERIENCE" box on homepage & scroll down to CHURCH OF CHRIST).

[scarebear83]

@CAnswersTV I never stated baptism only saves. Let me ask you, in order to be saved, one needs to believe right? Well we both can agree on that. What about repentance? Is it needed in order to be saved? What about hope? (Romans 8:24)

[CAnswersTV]

@scarebear83 Baptism doesn't save "any" or "only" or any other way. God saves us, not baptism, repentance, belief, hope or anything else, get it? There is nothing that actually saves a person except for God Himself. Once God grants a person "repentance" (2 Timothy 2:24-26) & ordains them unto eternal life (Acts 13:48, see also Romans 9, John 6, etc) & they're indwelt by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19-20, Romans 8:8-17) then they have true faith, hope, love, belief, repentance, etc, get it?

[scarebear83]

@CAnswersTV so wait, what you're saying is, nothing at all you can do can save you? So that means that God picks and chooses who to save and who not to? Wouldn't that go against the teaching of the Bible? What about atheists, are they saved without believing?

[CAnswersTV]

@scarebear83 What you "think" the Bible teaches & what the Bible actually teaches are obviously two different things. Atheists are lost unless God saves them & then they will repent & believe, get it? John 1:12-13,"But as many as received Him, to them gave He POWER to BECOME the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name: which were born, NOT OF BLOOD, NOR OF THE WILL OF THE FLESH, NOR OF THE WILL OF MAN, BUT OF GOD." Rom. 9:11-22, "HATH HE MERCY ON WHOM HE WILL HAVE MERCY." God picks.

[scarebear83]

@CAnswersTV ok so God chooses who to save? Do we not have any say so at all in the matter? That goes against the whole teaching of the Bible. In fact the verse you just quoted says: "But as many as RECEIVED Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God.... they had to receive Him FIRST before they could do anything else. How can God possibly condemn human beings for evil if He Himself determines the choices they make?

[Doulos7608]

@scarebear83 To put it quite simply, because he can. If you don't like it, by all means, do something about it.

[scarebear83]

@Doulos7608 With all due respect, that's not really an answer. If God picks and chooses who to save then that makes Him a respecter of persons. That also means He chooses some for evil and others for good and that would mean He created evil would it not? Either He created man with the choice to good/evil or He created evil and created certain people to be evil. 2 Peter 3:9 gives us the answer.

[Doulos7608]

@scarebear83 Or it means, as written in the prophet Daniel (4:35), all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?” Concerning your statement about him being the creator of evil, so? Because he ordains evil, that doesn't make him guilty for it. Will he stand before you on the day of judgement? A potter crafts a pot from

[Doulos7608]

@scarebear83 a lump of clay, but he is not the thing he created and should never be confused with the thing he created or what it does. And if he created certain people to be evil, will you answer back your maker? As it is written (Proverbs 16:4), The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.

Notice also in beginning of chapter 3 of 2 Peter, and even at the beginning of the letter, exactly who the epistle is addressed to. Who is Peter speaking to and of?

[scarebear83]

@Doulos7608 So God created Satan to be evil or did He give him a choice? If God created evil then God would be evil and we know that's not true. However God created choice and man and even angels have choice. You mentioned Proverbs 16, might I mention reading past verse 4? (specifically verse 6) Then read 2 Peter 3:9 again. He created us all but He did not create us evil (which would mean that children are born evil!) He is not willing that any should perish! If He is not willing any should...

[Doulos7608]

@scarebear83 I'll answer your questions and comments in order. Yes, Satan was created to be evil. The book of Proverbs is just that, a book of proverbs (plural), not one long proverb or a few long proverbs. The "you" in 2 Peter 3:9 is addressed to the believers, not the heathen. Read the context. Men are evil and estranged from God, not just from birth, but from the womb (I actually have a video that talks about this and much, much Scripture to back it up).

[scarebear83]

@Doulos7608 So God creates evil, therefore God is evil. That's basically what position you're indicating here. The reason I mentioned verse 6 of Proverbs was to show how it tied in with verse 4. 2 Peter 3:9 coupled with 1 Timothy 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth, shows clearly that God wants ALL men to be saved. I can't see how both verses indicate in any way that it is only the elect being referred to. It's just not there.

[Doulos7608]

@scarebear83 Ah, so you're a Pelagian. That makes sense now. You're not a Christian at all, but a heretic. Proverbs 16:4 and 16:6 are two separate proverbs. You get that, right? The Greek word used in 1 Timothy 2:4 translated as people is ἀνθρώπους (anthrōpous) which is a generic word which means mankind, specifically an accusative plural masculine noun. Salvation is now for the Jew and the Greek (all mankind). That doesn't mean every human being from Adam to Zelda.

[scarebear83]

@Doulos7608 Matthew 18:2-4 states we must be like little children or we will not enter the kingdom of heaven... if children are born evil then what was Christ talking about here? Ezekiel 18:20 indicates that sin is upon those who commit it, the sins of the father are not upon his son. So original sin cannot be true. Romans 10:17 indicates a person must hear the word, while a baby can certainly hear they can't understand.

[Doulos7608]

@scarebear83 "...unless you turn and become like children...". That is to be born again, as he said to Nicodemus in John 3:3, and drop all grand contentions of primacy and to humble yourself. Or are you telling me that in the great flood in the days of Noah, not a single child was on the whole earth? Are you saying, then, that you believe abortion is morally acceptable? Why not? If that is the case, then it is by far the quickest way to pack heaven with fresh souls, is it not?

[scarebear83]

@Doulos7608 Let me ask you, why did Jesus take a child and set him in the midst and tell them to become like little children if children are born evil? Because of man's sin unfortunately death happens and it happens to those who are good and bad. (God sends the rain on the just and unjust!) Abortion is not acceptable by any means. But according to the position presented here would it not be acceptable considering the view is that children are born evil?

[scarebear83]

@Doulos7608 If you pack heaven with fresh souls who would be left to spread the gospel here on earth? Ezekiel 18:20 specifically states that the sins of the father do not carry over to the son. The son is responsible for his own sins. No one can live a perfect life but let me ask you something, can a baby willingly and willfully murder someone? Are they capable of knowing what sin means at such a young age? Do they know what sin is while in the womb?

[Doulos7608]

@scarebear83 And yes, if you killed all the infants in the entire world, that wouldn't slow down the spread of the Gospel even one bit. As the Lord Jesus Christ, very God of very God, said in Matthew 3:9, God can raise up children of Abraham out of stones. Don't think yourself so important that God has any need of you, or anyone else for that matter.

[scarebear83]

@Doulos7608 Genesis 6:5 I believe Ephesians 4:18 explains about those who have given themselves over to sin. Gen. 8:21 doesn't mention anything about before his youth. Let me ask you, how can a baby confess and believe? (Rom. 10:9-10) Psalm 51:5- Read vs 8, if vs 5 is to be taken literally then vs 8 means his literal broken bones would be rejoicing. He's not saying he literally sinned at conception but felt as though he had sinned from the start. His guilt was that great he exaggerated it.

[Doulos7608]

@scarebear83 Before his youth? Are you kidding? Are you telling me that an infant isn't young? And you're falsely representing my position and David's words. He was brought forth in iniquity (tainted by it, made in it), not that he sinned right when the sperm hit the egg. Babies can't confess, but to be honest, I don't buy the position that infants automatically go to heaven when they die. The Apostle Paul says in (c)

[scarebear83]

@Doulos7608 Sin comes in the youth of one's life and not at the point of conception. Should Psalm 51:5 & 58:3 be taken literally we would have a conflict. Psalm 51 would suggest that one is a sinner at the point of conception whereas Psalm 58 would point out that the infant doesn't “go astray” until he's born. So which is it? It should also be noted in Psalm 58:3 it is impossible for a baby to speak lies at the moment of birth. So either Psalms is poetry and can be figurative or all literal.

[Doulos7608]

@scarebear83 Romans 3:10, "καθὼς γέγραπται ὅτι οὐκ ἔστιν δίκαιος οὐδὲ εἷς," (as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one;). It doesn't say, "none but children". According to the Word of God, there is not even one on earth who is righteous. Not you, me, or the youngest infant. A baby cannot "willingly and willfully murder someone", but are you so stupid that you can't see this is because they don't possess the strength and ability? Do you have to teach a child lying, stealing, or violence?

[scarebear83]

@Doulos7608 What sin can a newborn babe commit that would condemn them? We have another problem here, if Romans 3:10 is taken completely literal, then by that interpretation Christ was also a sinner and we know that's not true. Christ was also brought forth by a human mother so if sin is inherited that would mean He had it. But if one should suggest that depravity comes from the father then that blows Psalm 51 out of the water for David mentions his mother!

[Doulos7608]

@scarebear83 In Ezekiel 18:20, as in the entire chapter, the prophet is speaking of adults and of temporal punishment, not eternal. What did Paul mean in 1 Corinthians 15:22 when he said, "For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive"? And likewise in Romans 5:12,14? And if we are born sinless, then do you believe that everyone ever born was capable of doing what Jesus did; living a perfect life without sin and atoning for the sins of others? Why or why not?

[Doulos7608]

@scarebear83 What does Genesis 6:5, or better yet, Genesis 8:21 mean? Or Psalm 51:5, "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me." Or again, Psalm 58:3, "The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray speaking lies."

You do not submit to Scripture, rather you twist it to try and ammend the Creator who made you and will judge you because you trust your reason, feelings, experience, and faith rather than the Word of God.

[CAnswersTV]

@scarebear83 You're really SQUIRMING now aren't you? You're UNCOMFORTABLE with God having the CHOICE in your salvation RATHER than you, aren't you? You don't like a God like that, do you? You want a God YOU can control, don't you? Why do you try to HIDE in 2 Peter 3:9 when 1 & 2 Peter are written only to the ELECT (1 Peter 1:2)? 2 Ptr 3:9 is talking to the ELECT, not everybody, get it? God does NOT want the ELECT to perish, get it? You need to ASK God to save you, NOT your water baptism, get it?

[scarebear83]

@CAnswersTV Not squirming one bit. 2 Peter 3:9-...not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance. I don't see mention of only the elect. Reading this verse again I notice the words "should come to repentance" Well, who should come to repentance? All, indicating humankind. Isn't that a command given to us and not something God does for us? I agree we cannot make our own rules or our own salvation but we are to obey God's commands.

[CAnswersTV]

@scarebear83 As usual you are TOTALLY WRONG because you are FORCING your own EMOTIONAL HOPINGS into this text here in 2 Peter 3:9. You DENY that Peter was writing this text to the church (the elect, verse 1 in 2 Peter 3 says "beloved", while the very verse 9 is saying the "all" is "us-ward", get it?) so you can INSERT your bogus "all" means "humankind" DESPITE Jesus clearly saying in John 6:44 that NO ONE CAN COME to Him UNLESS God the Father DRAWS them (& God DOES NOT draw everyone, get it?).

[scarebear83]

@CAnswersTV I don't deny he was writing to the elect but that doesn't mean he can't make a general statement about the world as well. If salvation is only for the elect then can you explain 1 John 2:2, John 1:29, Titus 2:11, 1 Timothy 2:4? John 6:45 tells exactly how one is drawn to Him and Romans 10:14-17 backs that up. In fact if you back up to verse 12 is this "all" only the elect?

[CAnswersTV]

@scarebear83 Just as any Pelagian will do, as soon as you see you've lost the argument here in 2 Peter 3:9 you RUN to other misapplied texts to DENY the SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD in CHOOSING SOME to salvation. Why? You know you haven't been SUPERNATURALLY INDWELT by the Holy Spirit so you're looking for "a way" to get yourself into heaven by your own Campbellite WORKS. For reference (& to save time) all the verses you mention are dealt with in our 4 hr debate "Did Jesus Die for Everybody?"(CANSWERSTV)

[scarebear83]

@CAnswersTV I think what we have here is a misunderstanding. I never said nor do I believe a person can get themselves into heaven by their own rules. Salvation is from God but it requires obeying HIS rules & not your own. If God tells me through His inspired word I should be baptized then I will obey His command to do so. It's God's love and grace and obedience to His will that we are saved. (Not *My* will but Thine be done!) Noah is a good example of this. He obeyed God's commands not his own

[CAnswersTV]

@scarebear83 The only MISUNDERSTANDING is on your part because it's obvious by your many heretical comments throughout this section to me & to DOULOS7608 that you deny ORIGINAL SIN (Romans 5:12,19 cf 1 Corinthians 15:44-47). You follow that by stating a man can "obey" his way by his own works of baptism, etc. into the Kingdom of God. You preach a FALSE GOSPEL (Galatians 1:6-9) because you replace the GRACE OF GOD (Eph 2:8-10) with your CAMPBELLITE/PELAGIAN "obediences" to FORCE God's acceptance.

[scarebear83]

@CAnswersTV As I have stated before, the commands we follow are not our own. If God told us we should be baptized then it's not a man made rule. It's a command given by the Almighty for us to follow. When God told Noah to use gopher wood for the ark would he have been saved if he said, "naw I'll let you do all the work Lord." This isn't an either/or issue it's both/and. God's grace and obedience to His will. (Rom. 5:19; 6:16, Heb. 5:9, 2 Thes. 1:8, 1 John 2:3-4; 3:22; 5:3, Rev. 22:14)

[nachis3]

I was a catholic and so lost. Then one day I surredered my entire life to Jesus IN MY LIVING ROOM, and I met Jesus. He then opened my understanding of the scriptures and 2 weeks later I was water baptized in a CoC and then they were trying to confuse me by saying that I was saved only because they baptized me. O, belive me, the CoC is a big ole cult just like the JW's, run fast if you are in it. ONly Jesus saves. Water baptism is an outward expression of an inward change.

[CAnswersTV]

@nachis3 Great comment brother! You hit the theological nail right on the head! Campbellite water baptism does not save but a supernatural act by the power of the Holy Spirit does (Titus 3:5-7, Jn 3:3-8, 1 Corinthians 6:19-20, Rom 8:8-17, & on & on the verses can go)! Campbellites, because they don't know what a true supernatural "born again" conversion is by a sovereign God, have invented a water baptism gospel so they can invite themselves into heaven (Matt 22:12-14) but they'll be kicked out.

[Will4fun]

I liked this until I did more research and discovered that two of these Baptists had a tremendous squabble over money. Do your research. The Church of Christ ministers look pretty good after doing my research.

[CAnswersTV]

@Will4fun In logic you have committed two logical fallacies known as GENETIC FALLACY (assumption that an idea is invalid because of its origin, namely the origin is assumed to be dubious) & the RED HERRING (going off on a tangent that has nothing to do with the point or topic under discussion). This debate is not about money. Peter denied Christ 3 times, does that mean that 1 Peter & 2 Peter cannot be used in the Bible? Your "research" is worthless in regard to water baptism salvation issues.

[Will4fun]

@CAnswersTV

Reread my comment...it has nothing to do with water baptism.

[CAnswersTV]

@Will4fun Man, are you dense or what?! This video debate is about the necessity of water baptism for salvation in relationship to the history & teachings of the Campbellism cult (otherwise known as the "Church of Christ," "Disciples of Christ," "Christian Church," etc.). This is only one short 10 minute segment of a 2 hour plus debate & for some strange reason you're talking about money?! We know you're talking about money ninny but you should be arguing about Campbellite water baptism, get it?

[thepride724]

I totally and fully agree with the guys on the right of this video. As long as you and your church are following the word of God, that's all that matters, not the name that is on your church sign.

[thepride724]

They will reject all other Christian groups who do not believe what they believe. You don't hear Baptists rejecting Methodists, Pentacostals rejecting Lutherans, etc. because they all see each other as brothers in Christ.

Even if baptism is necessary for salvation, if a person who believes, repents, confesses, nad is baptized goes to a Baptist church, is he not a Christian? He's baptized, which is what COC believes, so he must be a Christian.

[thepride724]

What I don't like about these COC preachers is that they think that they are the only true church. What bothers me is they say Baptist church members are xaved according to what the Baptist church preaches. Who are they to say the Baptist church doesn't use the Bible for their source? They say that Baptists aren't Christians, Methodists aren't Christians, etc. This is the problem I have with most Churches of Christ. 

[catonic]

CoC is simply a name meaning Christ's church. It's NOT name specific. The translation of the word "Christ" can be in many literary forms. As long as the name is referenced to jesus and not some man it's okay

Most of you cult denomination followers (baptist etc) choose nicknames for a church and follow the teachings of men.

When did Jesus say you can call him by another name?

[CAnswersTV]

@catonic See our 22 hour debate with the Campbellites on YAHOO VIDEO entitled CHURCH OF CHRIST WEEK LONG DEBATE (type into the YAHOO VIDEO homepage search box) between Bob Ross & Bill Jackson. "Church of Christ" is a preferred Campbellite designation for a church building sign, not that the Bible commands that every Christian assembly have the same "church" sign out in front of the building. Here on YOUTUBE search RISE OF THE CULTS! ARE YOU IN ONE?; see how Campbellism is the mother of cults.

[catonic]

So what is a plausible name for a church that Jesus is the head of? I'm looking in my Bible I don't see the name anabaptist, Methodist, presbytarian, catholic in there. Tell me the book chapter in verse because I can't find it, unless you reading the Koran.

You sure your book doesn't say I ching or manifest destiny? How can you call Jesus' church a cult? This must be a devil worshipping page or something.

[CAnswersTV]

@catonic Where in the Bible are we commanded to wear the name "Church of Christ," "Disciples," or "Christian Church"? Book, chapter & verse please; not opinions or theories. If we look at the Greek text in Romans 16:16 for instance the word (church) is best translated "assembly" or "congregation" into English. Even your cult leader whom you follow, Alexander Campbell, said the verse should read "The congregations of Christ salute you."  Is that the name of your "church" & is it commanded?

[catonic]

What do you mean by works? You talk of works like a checklist.

Did The disciples or Paul just sit on their butt and nothing after they were saved?

Name these specific "works" that you say members of Christs church have to do? This is not catholic doctrine.

[CAnswersTV]

@catonic Hear + Belief + Repentance + Confession + Baptism + Local Congregation + Lord's Supper on First Day + Giving on the First Day + Singing (non-instrumental) + Prayer + Benevolence + Bible Study + No Creed + Bible Name + Second Law of Pardon + Obedience to Elders + Good Morals + Whatever the Evangelists Preach as the Word of God + on the list goes. Like Romanists, Campbellites have to do works in order to stay saved. Go to YAHOO VIDEO, search REPLY TO A CAMPBELLITE FIVE-STEPPER for more.

[catonic]

So prayer, giving, and attending church is a mere work?

How is one to get saved without doing a work?

Did Jesus not to say keep his commandments. According to your logic everyone is saved because that would constitute as a work and works are sin. What type of devil worshipping church do you attend?

You sure you not Wiccan or something?

[CAnswersTV]

@catonic You're so ignorant of what the Bible teaches you think Biblical teaching is devil worship?! You are a true Campbellite! Here's what the Bible says, "For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, NOT OF WORKS ... Jacob have I LOVED, but Esau have I HATED." (Romans 9:11-13). Thus God HATES people BEFORE they have done anything or LOVES them BEFORE they have done anything at all (see Ephesians 1:4-11).

[catonic]

What Are you teaching that's Biblical? According to you everything the Bible commands us to do is a work and therefore we shouldn't do it. That has to be that new age Wiccan studies teaching you were taught.

Are we not to pray without ceasing? In word or deed do all in the name of the lord. Give of our means? Again what type of church do you attend?

What are you studying Gods word for? You know that's a work. You're full of contradictions.

[CAnswersTV]

@catonic You're an idiot Biblically speaking! You do good works NOT to get saved like Campbellites like you are trying to do (you want to be saved BECAUSE of your good works) but AFTER you have been supernaturally "born again" (John 3:3-8, 1 Cor 6:11,19, Titus 3:5-8) by the power of the Holy Spirit. In other words, you are FIRST SAVED by God spiritually (Romans 9:11-13, Ephesian 1:4-11) THEN you do good works NOT to get saved BUT BECAUSE you ALREADY are saved, get it? Your works won't save you.

[jamesglory1]

Hallelluia! Brilliant and informative.

Nice one brother L.

James.

[melissayc]

You guys need to listen to Geno Jennings.

[mrscutie23]

Its just really amazing how there are soooo many different beliefs and every single one of them refer to themselves as "the truth" or "the real deal". Please just love God and stop the silly bickering. There is one heaven and it is for all true saved, holy-ghost filled Christians and it is not determined by what "church" you are a part of. smh....

[CAnswersTV]

@mrscutie23 Your comment made no mention of the need for studying the Bible (2 Timothy 3:14-17) & by doing so you can put to the test false prophets (Revelation 2:2, 1 John 2:1-21, Jude 3, etc.). It's only by studying what the Bible says, through the supernatural indwelling of the Holy Spirit, that a man can know what real truth is (1 Corinthians 2:10-16). The Bible says to "earnestly contend" (Jude 3) against false prophets.The Bible expects a fight for truth (Philippians 1:7,17).

[Smashmouthj]

@mrscutie23 You argue love God? Here is the fact of the matter in order to love God you must know and keep his commandments. SOooooooooooooooo..........the debate is of good cause to see if certain things are commanded of God 1st thessolonians 5:21

[CAnswersTV]

@singerandmoviestar Looking at your Youtube channel it's easy to see that you know a lot more about Michael Jackson & Elvis Presley than you do about what the Bible teaches. Based on what we definitely know about these two singers it is easy to say they did not make it to heaven, Biblically speaking (unless they had a last second, deathbed conversion, but that's not likely either). You've made an Etymological Fallacy in logic here. The Campbellite "Church of Christ" is not the Bible's church.

[OKSteve]

Is obedience a work? Jesus said obedience is a condition of salvation. It is also the difference in the the devils that believe but will not be saved and those that believe and will be saved. "Even the devils believe..."

"Go unto the whole world, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit for the remission of sins." A strange command indeed if it wasn't as He said - "for the remission of sins."

[CAnswersTV]

@OKSteve Spoken like a true "works righteousness" Judaizer straight out of the epistles to the Galatians & the Philippians. Obedience is a work that cannot save your soul & that's where you are making your fatal (& eternal) mistake (Ephesians 2:8-10).  Throw away your Campbellite "works" Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9) & trust in Christ alone for your salvation (John 3:18). Paul thought his "obedience" (read "works") were nothing but "dung" (Philippians 3:2-14). Obedience, if trusted, leads to hell.

[OKSteve]

@CAnswersTV By your reasoning one can do anything he wants and be saved without ever obeying God - i.e., without a clean conscience toward God - sorry but this is not what the Bible says. It warns against falling away, therefore one is not always saved and must OBEY to stay there. This isn't a work. "Baptism does also now save us..." not the water for Christ alone saves - but a clean conscience for having obeyed the great commission.

[CAnswersTV]

I can see "OKSteve" that you're desperate to hold on to your "works" & your "baptism" which is what every good Campbellite tries to do. Alas, your works & baptism gospel is simply a vain exercise on your part to get yourself into heaven. If you depend on this false Campbellite gospel you'll find yourself the uninvited guest in Matthew 22:11-14. Christians OBEY because they are ALREADY SAVED, not to GET SAVED or STAY SAVED. When you are supernaturally indwelt by the Holy Spirit you are SAVED.

[gateroadmusic]

I will trust "the obedience of one" for my salvation (Ro.5:19) . Religion can never distinguish between justification ( what Jesus does) and sanctification ( what man does) and this is simply one more example of religious humanism (I get to heaven by my own works).

[OKSteve]

@gateroadmusic I submit for consideration that any true faith requires obedience. Else the devil's that believe would be saved. Yes, Jesus saves me, my obedience to Him is my acceptance of the salvation and not a good work of my own. Adam and Eve certainly believed in God but did not obey him; the result was death - not the eternal life they gave up as a result.

[CAnswersTV]

OKSteve your reply to "gateroadmusic" is a good demonstration of exactly what "gateroadmusic" is talking about. Let's analyze your statement, "Yes, Jesus saves me... (it screams out here "BUT"!) my obedience to Him..." You're really saying, "Yes Jesus saves me BUT MY OBEDIENCE [contributes to my salvation]. This is works righteousness plain & simple & is cursed by Paul throughout the entire epistle of Galatians. You're making the fatal error of believing obedience establishes your salvation.

[OKSteve]

@CAnswersTV That reasoning says BELIEF is a work. You and I both know that belief is no more a work than trusting/obeying is. "...made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto ALL OF THEM THAT OBEY HIM;" Hebrews 5:9. ".. taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of ..Christ..;" 2 Thes 1:7-9".. what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said, Why callest thou me good?..if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

[CAnswersTV]

OKSteve you have committed a logical fallacy in your latest comment called THE STRAW MAN (an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position). You are "putting words in our mouth which we have not said or agree with" then quoting misapplied texts.

[OKSteve]

@CAnswersTV No fallacy in my logic or Biblical texts. Your continued argument has been that one must do absolutely NOTHING to be saved and does not have to obey the Gospel which clearly contradicts the Word. By the way, the "church of Christ" is not a building anywhere or a group teaching a certain thing. It is the body of Christ composed of believers. There is a semantics issue at work here that causes argument and misunderstanding among the churches of Christ and the other believers.

[CAnswersTV]

@OKSteve Your denial of your faulty use of logic & the Biblical texts doesn't absolve you of being a member of this Judaizing Campbellite religious system that exalts "works" & "water baptism" to a place of idolatry. You cannot understand what I'm talking about because you have no concept of what being supernaturally indwelt by the Holy Spirit means (1 Corinthians 2:14). Since you're without the Spirit of God you try to offset that with "works" & "baptism" to earn your salvation into heaven.

[OKSteve]

@CAnswersTV One receives the GIFT (not gifts) of the Spirit (indewlling them) when one is baptized and ADDED to (not joined) the body of Christ. It's very easy to tell if someone has the (gift of) The Holy Spirit indwelling them: Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version) 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

[CAnswersTV]

OKSteve, The "gifts" of the Spirit are dealt with in Romans 12, 1 Corinthians 12 & 14, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about when someone is saved by the Holy Spirit & they become Christians for all eternity (like Cornelius & those with him before they were BAPTIZED, Acts 10). Baptism is something saved Christians do AFTER THEY ARE ALREADY SAVED BY THE SPIRIT, NOT TO GET SAVED, get it? Cornelius & them had the Spirit BEFORE they were baptized! God decides who gets saved, not baptism!

[pumbah007]

Why are people constantly fighting what the bible says? Act 2:38, Mark 16:15,16

Are these passages figurative or literal?Peter continued to teach what Jesus instucted him. He that believeth and IS baptized shall be saved. Repent and BE baptized for the remission of your sins. Don't fight the bible accept it

[CAnswersTV]

What did Peter say in 2 Peter 3:16 "pumbah007"? Does it say, "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned & unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction"? Don't you understand how important it is to interpret the Bible ACCURATELY because if you don't, it'll lead to DESTRUCTION? You have to fight over what the Bible says for your own safety (1 Corinthians 11:19)!

[titan1676]

I Peter 3:21

[CAnswersTV]

@titan1676 A favorite Campbellite passage to have people believe that they are saved by WATER BAPTISM. The problem is the Campbellite WATER BAPTISM god is a false god & a false hope (Exodus 20:3). 1 Peter 3:19-21 is not talking about water baptism saving you (see Ephesians 5:26) but rather what actually saves is "the answer of a good conscience toward God." Baptism is used metaphorically here by Peter to symbolize a conscience clear before God (Heb 10:22, Titus 3:5, Rev 1:5, Rom 3:28, etc).

[How2BecomeAChristian]

Thank you for the work you do

[CAnswersTV]

Thanks for that kind comment "How2BecomeAChristian!" We battle false cults & world religions on all fronts just to present the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ in this day & age. I'm happy to report that our 3 websites: BIBLEQUERY ORG, HISTORYCART COM & MUSLIMHOPE COM get over 100,000 combined hits a month. Our 230+ videos on GOOGLE VIDEO & YAHOO VIDEO(search LARRY WESSELS on their respective homepages) & CANSWERSTV receive fewer than our websites but nevertheless get some attention too.

[How2BecomeAChristian]

Your welcome Larry. I have been enjoying your work for a few years since the CoC invaded a forum I was involved in and I had to learn how to defend against them. Some of the debates you have at google are the best out there. The CoC work is especially needed as they are the most deceitful of cults out there. And they are no fun to debate against. And here you are all these years later. still doing it. SO THANKS AGAIN

[CAnswersTV]

@How2BecomeAChristian Thank you once again. It's good to have a fellow warrior in the faith out there battling for the truth (Jude 3). God has allowed us to do this sort of apologetics evangelism for decades now & we intend to go on until either the Lord comes back or we go to meet the Lord (Revelation 22:20).

[hegler2]

These people are a waste of time... the christians need to find people who are interested in being saved...It is not about who is right and who is wrong for we know God is right and the bible is right therefore if you don't believe God inspired the Bible then there isn't any common ground for Christians to stand on..as far as those who oppose them...each person has to make up his own mind what he will or not believe..Jesus said because str8 is the gate and narrow is the way there be few find it

[CAnswersTV]

Interesting comment "hegler2" as Jesus did say, "Give not that which is holy unto dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, & turn again & rend you" (Matthew 7:6). False prophets like Campbellite preachers are a "waste of time" but we as Christian evangelists & apologists (Jude 3) must do theological battle with them for the sake of others that may be confused about the issues being discussed (see also Phi. 1:17, Titus 1:9, Rev 2:2, 1 Thess 5:21).

[hegler2]

Even more interesting is ..what Jesus said in John 16:1-3 about people thinking that they are doing God service..because they are confused...Some will never see the truth because the devil have blinded their minds..John 12:39-43..Paul reiterated this thought in 2 Cor 4:1-6..Even more interesting is verse 13 of the same chapter..Acts 5:38-39 let's us know the danger of being wrong about those supposedly Campbellite preachers (no one calls themselves that by the way, they are just Christians)

[CAnswersTV]

"hegler2," now we're getting somewhere. In our "Satan in Your Nose" Youtube video I quoted John 16:2 in the comments section under the video to a Muslim who had just given me a death threat because he thought he was doing God a service. In the case of "works salvation by water baptism" & "free will" gospelism by Campbellite preachers, their "restored gospel" is just as false as a Papist's "gospel (Galatians 1:6-9) & thus they are not real Christians. Most "Christians" are lost (Matt 7:15-29).

[hegler2]

Practically all those people that you think are Christians are lost..Just because some one threatens you because of your religious beliefs doesn't mean that you are a Christian..Jesus statement in Matt 7:21-23 referred to those Jews who at that time were God's chosen ppl; but he chose them, but they didn't choose to serve him..they served satan...They are unlike us in that they didn't need baptism to become children of God: we however do. John's baptism was for repentance..Acts 19:3-4

[hegler2]

One more thing, I will probaly not reply back to anymore of your comments because as 2 Tim 3-9 says

1. You seem to be trying to get attention for yurself 2. Some one who does not know enough of the Bible will become more confused. 3. Time will reveal what's right and what's wrong...

[CAnswersTV]

I appreciate hegler2 that you have chosen to "run for the hills" in this theological discussion. As usual you're wrong, this time saying I'm trying to get attention for myself. The only attention I'm trying to get is for the truth of what the Bible teaches over against false prophets such as yourself. You're wrong on # 2 since when God choses a man to be saved then he will understand Biblical issues with the guidance of the Spirit (1 Cor 2:15-16) & you're wrong on #3, the Bible reveals right.

[CAnswersTV]

I'm not sorry to disappoint you hegler2 since you're obviously depending on your "water baptism" god to save you along with your own "free will" god as well. These "works" gods will not save your soul from the wrath to come (Exodus 20:3). You're also wrong in your interpretation of Matt 7:21-23 (better brush up your hermeneutic with the Parable of the Sower & Matt 25 for starters). Unless you're supernaturally/spiritually "born again" apart from water baptism & works you're lost (Rom 9:11ff).

[andersonwire]

few will find the way. thats why the truth needs to be taught by those who see christ as one choice and not many. we have no choice what church but his. The Church of Christ since thats where the church came from anyway. problem is....man has given choices to man and we go choosing all day long. this is why people now have so many faithd to defend not seeing the oneness in christ.i am called a christian based on acts 11:26. in this debate...the debater said , "we call ourselves baptist"

[CAnswersTV]

Your problem "andersonwire" is you at this point in your life have not been "ordained unto eternal life" (Acts 13:48) & therefore you cannot understand the "things of God" (1 Corinthians 2:14). You trust in your "water baptism" god rather than the Lord Jesus Christ because you have never been spiritually born again by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6). We are talking about a supernatural, spiritual work of God on a chosen few not your "work of water baptism" (Romans 9:11-33).

[squirrelmaster4life]

this videos have been edited to show favoritism to bob ross and larry wessels

[CAnswersTV]

"squirrelmaster4life" that was a "squirrelly" thing to say. This video is meant to get people to go over to Yahoo Video (search Larry Wessels once on their homepage) & watch the entire debate. There is not meant to be an "equal opportunity" deal. Right now we have a 22 hour debate series concerning Campbellite baptism & history & a 13 hour debate series concerning the Campbellite doctrine of the work of the Holy Spirit (Campbellites believe water baptism + works buys them a ticket to heaven).

[andersonwire]

shame you wont be in heaven by your own ignorance of the lords church. the way is easy! christ even showed the importance of water baptism and did it himself! "it doeth now saves" remember that when you're being sent somewhere you dont want to be on judgement day

[CAnswersTV]

The "shame" is on you "andersonwire" since you're preaching a false Campbellite gospel that can only lead to your eternal destruction (Galatians 1:6-9). Just as the Romanists depend on their Pope & the rituals of the Catholic "church" for their salvation you too depend on your Campbellite "water baptism" god for your salvation which is patented idolatry (Exodus 20:3). Christians are baptized according to Romans 6 not for salvation like you believe. All your "water" works will not save you.

[shaolinwarriorusa]

Jesus Christ is the ONLY one who took away sin (John 1:29)! He didn't out-source salvation to water baptism, church membershiip, or anything else!

[CAnswersTV]

Well said "shaolinwarriorusa"! Good job! John 14:6.

[Levrone2006]

Mark 16:16

Acts 2:38

Keep twisting the scriptures around but the new covenant of salvation is clear, baptism washes away sin and we are commanded to do so for salvation. No where in the New Testament does it say that we are saved without it, in fact everywhere we see that the men in it our baptized and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

James 2

[CAnswersTV]

Your problem Levrone2006 is that you need to forget about Alexander Campbell's interpretation of Mark 16, Acts 2:38 or James 2 & start worrying as to whether you were ever "born again" by the Spirit of God (John 3:3-8, John 6:29,37,44,63,65-66). The scribes & the Pharisees supposedly kept the law of Moses but in the end Jesus condemned them to hell (Matthew 23, John 8:44). The thief on the cross was not baptized & neither was Cornelius & his household yet they received the Spirit (Acts 10).

[Levrone2006]

That still doesn't change what they say. If you know the scriptures and are not baptized you do not have salvation. It's a commandment and if you love God you keep his commandments. And no where does it say that the theif was not baptized. And in Acts 10 they were baptized. In fact all throughout Acts every conversion has baptism in it and was required for salvation. Going back to the theif, Jesus was God and forgive and pardon sins. All those before and after were covered in His blood for sins.

[CAnswersTV]

Unfortunately Levrone2006 you've revealed that you really don't believe what the Bible actually teaches. This, however, does prove my point. Anyone analyzing your comments about the thief on the cross or Cornelius in Acts 10 can already see how you are making new suppositions up just to justify your presupposition that "baptism" is a saviour. You have replaced faith alone in Christ alone with a baptism idol. God does not look favorably on idolaters who replace His grace with works. Eph 2

[Levrone2006]

One last thing, I don't go by interpretation of another. I go by what the whole Bible says. And baptism is an act (work, see James 2 again) of faith that is commanded by Jesus, not men, for the remission of sins and salvation through works of the Holy Spirit.

[CAnswersTV]

Once again Levrone2006 your "interpretation" of baptism will easily agree with Campbellite "restorers" Alexander & Thomas Campbell, Barton W. Stone & Walter Scott. We've already established that you do not believe the "whole Bible" based on your comments about Acts 10 & the thief on the cross. You will not be able to see the truth of this unless God grants you repentance (2 Tim 2:24-26). Take for example Jacob of the Old Testament, God loved him before he was ever baptized (Romans 9:10-16).

[Levrone2006]

Your avoiding the scriptures. Find a verse that does not contridict the Bible where it says"You don't have to be baptized"or"Baptism is not required". You will not not find them. I'm not replacing anything but will do what the Bible says. And I know that if I am a christian and am not baptized I am not obeying Christ. You can keep twisting scriptures all you want and say what you want. Anybody who reads the New Testament will tell you they must be baptized for the remission of sins Acts 2:38.

[CAnswersTV]

Levrone2006 you have refused to repent of your "water baptism as my saviour" heresy instead of turning to complete faith & trust in the Lord Jesus Christ alone. Water idolatry will only lead you to the wrong place (Galatians 1:6-9). It is interesting that you brought up Acts 2:38. Please check out our Youtube video "Debate with Campbellite Preachers #4: Acts 2:38 & Baptism" as well as YAHOO VIDEO (search Larry Wessels) where we deal Biblically with that verse. Forsake your Campbellism.

[KentuckyLane1984]

baptism isnt a work sheesh

[CAnswersTV]

Mormonism comes directly from "Church of Christ" Campbellism. One time, dealing with several Mormon missionaries, I asked if it was possible to be saved if I were stuck on a desert island & all I had was a Book of Mormon. The Mormons said no because I still needed to be baptized & I also needed all the other "ordinances" of the Mormon church along with a living Mormon prophet for today. I asked, "What happened to salvation by grace alone without all these works, Ephesians 2:8-10?"

[KentuckyLane1984]

mormonsim comes from the chruch of Christ ?? wow dude u really r tripping...

[CAnswersTV]

Kentucky Fried you are only revealing your complete ignorance of the theological subjects being discussed. You need to spend more time studying the Bible. Then you would learn from going out to do evangelism work as we have at college campuses, TV & radio call-in shows, streets, Jehovah's Witness conventions, Mormon wards, etc. for the last 30 years what some of the histories of these groups is. Go to YAHOO VIDEO (search LARRY WESSELS on their homepage) & get an education. Life is short.

[How2BecomeAChristian]

It is a fact that Sidney Rigdon took baptismal regeneration and other restoration principles to the Mormons.

It is a fact that Joseph Smith named his church "the church of Christ" at least 8 years before the CoC took the name.

[4570sharps]

The Gospel = I am accepted therefore I obey

Religion of Works = I obey therefore I am accepted

Simple question KentuckyLane, are you fully and completely acceptable in God's sight through faith alone in Christ alone before you are baptized? Also, ask yourself this question; Who is "the blessed man" of Romans 4:7-8 and for what reason alone is he called "blessed" in the context of Romans 4?

(Larry this is Brad)

[CAnswersTV]

Excellent questions & analysis 4570sharps! If only everyone would ask questions like these. For others reading this please remember we have long version videos available on YAHOO VIDEO & GOOGLE VIDEO (search Larry Wessels on their respective homepages) on numerous subjects (128 vids on Google & 161 vids & counting on Yahoo Video).  Feel free to check out our websites as well: BibleQuery org, HistoryCart com & MuslimHope com. Ephesians 2: 8-10.

[KentuckyLane1984]

edited in a very one sided way

[CAnswersTV]

Time limitations to 10 minutes restrict the opportunity to show the program in its entirety. Please go to YAHOO VIDEO & once on their homepage type "Larry Wessels" in the search box to get complete one hour television shows on the subject of Campbellite salvation doctrines & religion. Free newsletters & information are also available to assist people who have been brainwashed by cultic doctrines created by Alexander & Thomas Campbell, Walter Scott & Barton W. Stone. Beware of false prophets.

[KentuckyLane1984]

false doctrines and prophets ... yeah ok

[CAnswersTV]

The question you need to ask yourself if you are indeed sincere about wanting to know how you are to be saved from the coming wrath of God as described in the Bible is what are false doctrines preached by false prophets? The terseness of your comments reflect a lack of knowledge and concern as to what truth or falsity really is. Placing yourself in a theological landscape that you do not belong, besides the fish out of water motif, simply means you need to return to your secular sports page.

[KentuckyLane1984]

I know my bible thank you ... ur post are an attack on the body of Christ while promoting the false doctrine of ur denomination

[CAnswersTV]

KentuckyLane1984 or is that Kentucky Fried? Claiming to know your Bible and actually knowing it are two totally different things. It could be that you know your Bible as far as Alexander Campbell has interpreted it for you thus you feel secure in a dangerous theological world much in the same way as a Jehovah's Witness feels secure with their Bible understanding provided by their Watchtower organization. The same goes for the Mormons who trust their prophet Joseph Smith Jr. Matt. 7:15

[How2BecomeAChristian]

Another CoC member claiming the CoC is the body of Christ. LOL

And you guys wonder why your classified as a cult?

All cults have their "one true church" rhetoric and most cults believe in water baptism for salvation.