heating home XOGEN

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth ANSWER THE QUESTION. *CAN* BOX #2 GIVE OFF MORE HEAT THAN BOX #1 ?

YES OR NO ?

ANSWER THE QUESTION !

NO EXCUSES ! NO DISTRACTIONS ! A SIMPLE YES, OR NOT, WHICH IS IT ?

WELL ?

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth This is what you wrote:

"the energy used to break the molecular bond is negligible and comes from the alternator"

With the word "negligible" you are implying that the energy that becomes available in the generated hydrogen, is more than the energy you had to spend making it.

You are with this, in fact, claiming that you are creating energy.

I can't seem to get you to confirm that you can not create or destroy energy, only convert it.

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth ... So, let's say box #1 has a $20 electric space heater from Walmart in it. Box #2 has an electrolyzer that splits the bonds of water into hydrogen and oxygen. That hydrogen is then burned again using that oxygen. This gives off heat. The water that comes back is used again in the electrolyzer.

Question: Does box #2 give off more heat than box #1 ?

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth ... so back on topic. You changed the subject. Answer me this:

Imagine an enclosed box with an electrical input. When applying electricity, if that box takes, say, 100W, then that box will give off a certain amount of heat.

Imagine another enclosed box like that. Inside can be anything. That box also takes 100W worth of electrical energy.

Question: do you think it is possible that box #2 can give off a different amount of heat than box #1 ?

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth ... see, you're not even answering questions or responsible to claims anymore. You simply reject and pretend the points weren't made. Yes, really very predictable.

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth You creepy quacky little pseudo science scam artists always end up saying that people that oppose them are "with the government", "agents", "shills for oil companies". You simply do not have the capacity to even BEGIN to consider the fact that what you got there simply can not work. No amount of explaining works. You shall and must defend your ridiculous ideas no matter what.

Your behavior I've seen countless of times before, you're really very predictable.

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth No it doesn't you lying quack! Burning hydrogen makes it hotter. Plus there is all that heat loss in the converting of kinetic to electricity to hydrogen. The overall heat output of a car with an HHO system goes *UP*, not down. THEREFORE, the efficiency is LOWER with one of those SCAM devices.

I, a1mint, hereby certify, in writing, you to be a bona fide in your face super moron !

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth Here is a bird's eye view why HHO systems do not work:

- You can not create or destroy energy, only convert it.

- A car converts the energy available in gasoline into kinetic motion plus heat.

- That means that the heat output determines the loss.

- That means that more heat output means less efficiency.

- That means that less heat output means more efficiency.

- The electrolyzer and the alternator output heat, therefore the overall total heat output is greater, less efficient

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth People that understand the actual science, KNOW that HHO systems can by definition NOT improve fuel economy!

This isn't about "renewable energy" btw. That's a whole other topic. Stay on topic please. We're talking about on-board on-demand HHO systems. They can NOT improve fuel economy PERIOD !

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth And again with the claim how "2 volts is miniscule". 2 volts at how many amps? What's the total Wattage? Do you know? You actually think you can measure energy by using a little multimeter? Energy is WATTAGE, which is Voltages M U L T I P L I E D by Amperage ! What part of that do you not understand?

An HHO system only will worsen the fuel economy.

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth Sure I understand the concept. I happen to have been debating HHO and various other topics for many years now. You have no idea who you're dealing with.

The alternator does not "create electricity". It *converts* kinetic motion energy into electric energy (plus heat which is lost). That energy is *taken* from the engine which requires now MORE gas to burn. What part of this do you not understand? Perhaps an oops-haven't-thought-of-that-m­oment...

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth A "shill". Really? You're THAT delusional? I'm one of those men-in-black undercover government agents that goes online on Youtube to help curb people getting "on to things"? Really? And you think you're not delusional and highly paranoid? Good grief man!

Oh wait... of course... the OIL companies.... that's it! Oh oh, you're on to me... I better go before I make it any worse... oh my freaking crap what the FUCK is WRONG with people like you !

What does it TAKE for crying out loud !

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth I think you're a liar. I think you really ARE delusional.

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth We'll leave the judgement of who is the moron to others. I'm not worried for a split second.

As for religion, I said that I'm finding that in most cases delusional people also tend to be religious. I didn't say that specifically applied to you. Are you *sure* you want to continue to go the who's-the-moron route?

Realize I've been mopping the floor with you.

Realize that sometimes you simply can not win, because you don't have any winning argument.

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth This is not about "electrical engineering" you tard! It's about pure science.

"replenished by the alternator"? Huh? The alternator converts motion kinetic energy into electricity (plus heat which is lost). There isn't any "replenishing" happening!

Yes, you really are so very very dumb indeed! Nothing so far is turning out to be correct. You're bringing absolutely NOTHING factual to the table so far. NADA !

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth I see that you "favor" a video about "Revelation 12". So you're religious and believe in things without any evidence or proof. You're just going on belief systems alone don't you? This SO figures. I have found now, that in most cases, people that buy into belief based systems and that oppose science, also happen to be religious as well.

Religion really does abuse and takes advantage of people ! Gullible ignorant uneducated superstitious fools, like you !

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth An on board on demand HHO generator in a car, can NEVER EVER improve fuel economy ONE TINY LITTLE BIT !

The *ONLY* people that claim it can, are either really very stupid, doing a favor for someone, or are in the business of selling HHO related parts. Which are you, you LYING QUACK !

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth Yes, your claims *ARE* crazy. You're claiming that perpetual motion is possible. You've ended up making a complete fool of yourself. And then you expect others to take your claim seriously, how your "truck" does "60 mpg". Rriigghhtt......

And *I*, "MOI*, is the "ignorant" one? That's rich !

Everything *I* have stated is 100% factual. Everything *YOU* have stated really *IS* rubbish.

Shall we invite an actual scientist and have him judge us? It'll be very embarrassing !

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth It violates the law of the conservation of energy, because you're claiming that more energy is released burning hydrogen than the energy needed to make that hydrogen.

In your system, which is impossible, you could take the output energy and use a part of it on its input to keep generating more hydrogen. Just keep filling more water. The "excess" energy could power the planet forever.

NOT POSSIBLE ! *NOW* do you get it?



[a1mint]

@seeker21truth Energy is in Wattage, not just Voltage and not just Amperage. Wattage = Voltage * Amperage.

Again, the amount of energy that is release burning hydrogen can NEVER EVER NEVER EVER be more than the amount of energy needed to generate that hydrogen.

PLEASE tell me you get this now. People can't be THAT dumb, can they? Can they?

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth So, in other words, the amount of energy released by burning hydrogen is *NEVER* more than the amount of energy used to break those water molecule bonds.

Seriously - PLEASE tell me you get this now.

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth No, you are distorting things. I did not say that breaking water molecules violates the laws of conservation. And *NO* the energy needed is NOT "negligible". I'm saying that you can not expect to generate more heat by break water molecules and then burning the hydrogen, than using a plain old electric space heater!

Every single Watt converts to heat. What part of that do you not understand? Seriously, is that so hard to grasp? Should I draw you a picture or something?

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth The natural law of the conservation of energy.

You can not create or destroy energy, only convert it.

In a heater, every single Watt of energy used, is converted to heat. Whether you do that using a $20 Walmart space heater, or do this through some overglorified neon lit Xogen scam device, the result is exactly the same.

THERE, take THAT you QUACK !

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth No, I'm NOT an ignorant fool. YOU are an ignorant fool! Making ridiculous claims like "my trucks does 60 mpg" completely and utterly shoots any respect you could ever hope to get, under a train. I mean, WTF!

I *KNOW* how about the natural law of the conservation of energy. I *KNOW* that you can not create or destroy energy. You, clearly, do not.

Go ask your mother about the conservation of energy.

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth No you do not have an HHO unit in your truck that makes your truck use only 60 mpg. You are, in fact, a bold, in your face, blunt, LIAR LIAR LIAR with your PANTS ON FIRE !

No, you do NOT have "extensive" knowledge about any of this! You don't even recognize the laws of nature. You don't even understand it, AT ALL !

Funny how you call yourself a "truth seeker" while you in fact LIE straight through teeth and with a straight face... amazing how people like you run loose like this.

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth

3) Same as (2). Every single electric space heater is always by definition 100% efficient. Claiming otherwise only shows complete and utter ignorance on your part.

4) Spending energy to break water into hydrogen and oxygen, does NOT yield more energy when you burn it again. Splitting water and burning it again in an attempt to make heat is NO more efficient than using a plain old electric space heater.

5) What's point 5? I only had 2 points to begin with....

[a1mint]

@seeker21truth A tamper tantrum, bitching and complaining, and insults, is not going to help anything.

1) The world having "shit" does not validate a scam that claims to violate the laws of nature. They're two entirely unrelated topics.

2) Noone can break the laws of nature of the conservation of energy. You can not create or destroy energy, only convert its form. Any electric space heater is by definition 100% efficient, because every kW used is converter to heat. You can NOT improve that.

[a1mint]

What scam, what a farce, what a deception, how disgusting!

First telling how the world is so miserable for so many, and then a completely in your face scam is supposed to make it all better.

A $20 electric space heater can heat the home just as well.

You can not create or destroy energy, you can only convert it.

A plain old electric space heater is by definition always 100% efficient.

Xogen is a roundabout way. What a waste.

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[ewmegoolies]

well, the website for xogen is shut, this is standard hho stuff, they could have used an HHO torch machine and produced more gas. The saving grace of the company was probably the ceramic household heater. Ceramic lit with the flame is extremely hot, they should have dumped trying to produce the gas and focused on the heat exchanger!

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