Who ever made this video claiming the professor is responsible for the cheating is a sad sad loser. I had to laugh out loud at some of the subtext you added because you don't understand what he is stating.
Someone was able to trick the publisher into emailing them the test bank questions. That is dishonest and cheating. This video is truly an embarrassment.
When he says write an exam, he means pull from the test banks. Test banks are used in many classes at UCF, where there are many classes. And since this class has sttreaming video, we can deduct that its large. If you're going to have a problem with this professer using a test bank, then be consistant and have a problem with every teacher using a test bank.
Calling students cheaters for using an online resource that is PROVIDED BY THE PUBLISHER for STUDYING PURPOSES is like calling students cheaters for reading their textbooks. Anybody heard of the SAT or the ACT or the BAR? How do you study for these exams? By looking at previous tests. Why doesn't everybody ace these tests then? BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE TESTS ARENT TOO LAZY TO DO THEIR JOB AND WRITE A NEW TEST!
Fuck whoever posted this video. The professor is right to be upset. I bet the piece of shit who posted this video throws a goddamn party every time Lindsay Lohan gets a slap on the wrist when she should have been put in jail.
Listen up, people. He *claimed to write the exam*. Yeah, I'm sure everyone who says this is cheating would assume he's using a test bank and just compiling the questions into an exam! Whether or not you think the professor cheated is beside the point, and personally, I don't care. It's a test bank of 700 questions, and YES to those that doubt, most publishers DO make available a list of questions for their textbooks that students can use to study from.
Sour grapes much here? The professor is 100% in the right here. The only thing that even could potentially be an issue was stating that he wrote the exam. I VERY much doubt a 700 question test bank would be available to anyone who wanted it from the publisher's website, so I do not buy the story that this info was "freely available". As has been stated, not surprised rating has been disabled, this would be rated into the ground.
@Kabumpin So the whole basis of your thinking is that your opinion is that the information was not "freely available". What if it was "freely available"? Just wondering, because in the case that it is freely available, there is no way you could justify the students being in the wrong. If the professor wants to make the same test every quarter fine. But don't call students cheaters because they use online resources (often referred by the textbook itself)
The cheating in the US only adds to America's downfall. Out here in Asia cheating is much more common. Is this level of cheating new to America or is cheating just a reality of American culture that isn't projected through the mainstream media like that of America's foreign policy. What is the truth about this issue?
They didnt steal it dumb ass, it was made by a publisher and remember that many questions before a test is almost to impossible. They should keep changing answers to test more often than use an easy-to-get answer sheet.
i dont know if the maker of the video is making fun of the retarded old man,but,i really hate this old teacher,he is so lame,cheating is for the own person failure or success, if i ever see someone cheating,iwould tell on him only if he is my rival or something,but if its a random dude,its not my business to do anything, i dont give a flying fuck for the people who cheat,if they dont get caught theyre winners :D NOW IF YOU GET caught, you a re a fucking dumbass, and maybe bad luck got you, sorry
There could have been an interesting debate-- instead people from both sides reveal themselves to be so emotionally puerile that they resort to the vilest elementary school name-calling that just poisons the entire discussion. The lack of civility makes me nauseated. The minute any user resorts to name calling they discredit themselves as people even worthy of participating in the discussion. How sad.
@diamonddust22 hey bud thanks for that kind message you sent me on this shit...talking really tough for someone hiding behind a keyboard as well...no matter what you think, i still ended up graduating from the school and have made more money in the past two months than you probably will for the year
@ lionesskitty creating is 1. to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes.
2. to evolve from one's own thought or imagination, as a work of art or an invention.
I THINK YOU WERE THINKING OF REENGINEERING... go back to school
I honestly don't care whether you liked the teacher or not, or how the teacher created the final exam. The fact is that the students KNEW that the answers were available to them, and their decision to intentionally STUDY from the test bank automatically puts them in the wrong. Regardless of whether he makes up his own questions or uses the publisher's, it's the student's duty to dedicate time to studying for the final, not to find a shortcut and use the answer bank.
Seriously - stop whinning and own up. Students are not supposed to have the test bank and it IS CHEATING! I know that he implies that he writes the test, and you aparently interpret that to me that he writes every single question, but pulling some questions from a bank is totally reasonable. You're just ticked that you got caught and since this generation seems to be unable to except any consenquences for their own actions they have to whine about it. Pathetic.
I'm a UCF business student .... you as a professor need to write your own tests!! I graduate this year and for one it wasn't cheating... the publisher make their test banks available on the internet!! they studied over 700 questions for a 50 question test!! and they are in a testing lab without any materials at all!! u tell me how that is cheating!!! its because they had a horrible teacher that was lazy and want to blame the students on it!!! thats what they teach us gain a competitive adv!!
Hmm, YouTube seems to have eaten the second part of my message from last night. The basic idea was, using materials that could only have been obtained illicitly is quite obviously not within the understood boundaries of "open-book".
And frankly, I can't imagine an intelligent person of genuinely good will failing to understand that. What conclusion that leads me to about "gnookergi" is left as an exercise for the reader.
I assumed this was obvious, but since you apparently need it spelled out: 51-hour window = obviously not doing it under supervision, at least not in the form of standard exam invigilation = could have brought in anything they wanted.
Sorry for crediting you with enough intelligence to make that connection on your own. Won't happen again.
I have nothing against open-book tests (I give them myself), but using materials that could only have been obtained illicitly - and at least some of the
What do you want to bet this old dickhead cheated his way through college. This guy is living in a past age. There are no ethics in business anymore. Or politics. Or law enforcement. Or school. Or anything. Ethics are a thing of the past.
It's been replaced by "Do what thou wilt....just don't get caught".
Due to cheating, the class grade distribution is 1.5 letter grades higher than normal. So your recommended "solution" to the problem of 1/3 of the class cheating is give all students a whole letter grade *higher* on the test. How do you figure the logic there? Cheaters would then, on average, have a 2.5 letter bonus. Why? Yes, having to retake the exam is a pain in the butt, but at least it is fair.
"Creating" is not the same as writing the exam. Creating means, he chooses which question to put on the exam and in what order or fashion. He never claimed to write the questions.
Guess this explains why you had to cheat. You don't understand vocabulary at an elementary level!
Maybe if these whiny students spent as much time studying instead of miserably defending themselves online, they wouldn't be perceived as brainless twits who want the world handed to them. Open a damn book and read! Mommy and daddy won't be there to hold your hand. If you can't hack the real world, go home and play on Facebook and Twitter and leave life to adults.
Seriously, the sense of entitlement expressed by the "authors" of this gem is repugnant. You got busted cheating; deal with the consequences, you whiny, petulant, little children. You didn't pay for anything. An education from this class is a privilege, not a right. Also, I believe you meant to use "It's"; I don't suppose the difference between possessive and contractions was in the answer bank.
@Burbles195 - I fail to see the cheating. I took and passed the CPA exam. The AICPA released prior exams, creating banks of sample questions to study. These were usually attained through CPA courses like Becker & Kaplan. Many questions on the upcoming exams would come directly from this test bank. This teacher claimed to write his own questions and the students found a test bank to assist in their studies. It is the fault of a lazy teacher & not the students that he used this for his test.
It's really entertaining seeing people trying to deflect all this negative attention back to the professor and pass it off as legitimate criticism. I've never seen such transparently phony outrage before.
Unless the students a) knew the mid-tern questions were from a test bank AND b) knew their "study guide" was the actual test bank & not simply a list of study questions, then the students are not at fault. Educational research has shown that completing practice tests is a great way to get instant feedback & learn which topics you need to study more, & many textbook publishers provide study guides & practice tests for free. This prof should've talked to his students before jumping to conclusions.
STUDENTS:drop out, its not like ur going to learn anything if ur cheating ur way through school anyways.DIPLOMA MILL. Ican't believe theyre trying to say that b/c he said he created the exam they're innocent. LOL. Of course the professor CREATES an exam, whether from a book of questions or not. IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE TESTED LIKE THIS DONT GO TO A PUBLIC UNIVERSITY
YOU CHEATED. They obviously cheated and are trying to get sympathy. I've never cheated on a college exam and I got into a doctorate program ALL BY MYSELF. The only thing I disagree with is how major unis test. I don't think multiple choice is a proper way to measure intelligence and most research backs me up. You couldn't cheat at my uni b/c it was all essays or projects. We actually learned the material.
I appears that because they were caught, that now someone is looking for a way out of their long lasting mistake. They didnt just cheat on one test, they've cheated on one life. Now, they are scrambling for something or someway to turn it around on the professor for some form of redemption. Dude's, all of you that cheated, deal with the consequences and move on. Now that you have national attention, your just gonna get in bigger trouble. Think about it
people can bash this guy all they want. Truthfully, the kids are probably mad that they have to take a mid term that they can't cheat on. Sure he used a test bank, but he isnt failing everyone, he's giving everyone an opportunity to pass.
@sephmccarty my point about the use of test banks is that it allows this type of cheating problem. There *should* be a policy against it. Also, Quinn seems to be saying that he makes the questions. If that's the case looking at test bank questions is studying, not cheating.
What a lying dog. If this video is for this term, THE PROF PLAGIARIZED the questions from a test bank rather than writing the questions as he stated he would. Kids who went the extra mile to gather every resource to learn the material seven ways from Sunday are now accused of cheating because they used test bank questions to study that the PROF DIDN'T WRITE? Give me a break. Seriously, write 2000 test questions and let the kids study that.. they still have to learn the answers!
@mccheese0 "The extra mile"? If you truly believe that (illegally) getting copies of the test bank equates learning, you should have no problem passing the midterm again with that same test bank. After all, you're mastering the class by having all the answers, right? So get to it, Tiger; make your mama proud!
Oh please...I'm sure some student from a previous class realized that all of the professor's exam questions came from a test bankstudent study guide, and shared this information with others who shared it with other's, etc.
My question is..how did the professor figure it out?
It is unbelievable how many people are actually are actually defending the fact that those who tried out wit the course got caught now say "Well he didn't come up with the questions himself so he cheated too". Completely missing the point of why what they did was wrong.
@mabans since when is taking a practice test wrong? look at the the end of each chapter and the back of each text book printed in the united states. They all have practice tests. And nowadays students use online resources too. Its not hard to get a copy of a practice test from any publisher. Ask yourself a question, how were the students able to get the information so easily? Because the publisher provides it as a STUDY AID. Don't call people cheaters just because they utilitze their resources
@mabans I think you fail to see what actually happened. Students studied for the exam using an outside resource-looking at old test examples from other textbooks. Turns out that the teacher used those same questions to create his exam. Students that used that practice test to study therefore knew the answers to all the questions on the test. They didn't intentionally cheat, but the teacher perceived it as cheating because they knew the answers.
Sounds like plagierism to me. He's claiming that he's writing something that someone else wrote. I think the students got a bum deal. If they're being told the instructor writes the tests, how is studying a test on the same material that was written by the publisher of the book considered cheating on "his" exam? I think he got caught putting in less than the advertised effort for "teaching" this class and is shifting the blame. But the media love the "cheating scandal" angle, don't they?
It's a test bank you mutant, it's a service to provide professors with this kind of stuff. That's the point of it! Even if he did how does that justify them cheating. Imagine if you found out that the surgen that was about to open you up had no real education because he spent most of time partying and cheating on exams? Even if he was skilled would you want to take that chance? I know that isn't what this guy was teaching but imagine that. Much less, the fact people paid for this! LOL PAID!! LOL
Two quick comments - First, publisher test banks are developed for instructors to use to create exams, and are supposed to be password protected to allow only instructors to access them. If students misrepresented themselves as instructors to access them then it is indeed cheating on behalf of the students. Second, if the publisher created a study guide tool publicly available for students with the same questions as the test bank then this is entirely the publishers fault! Which is it?
Yes, this professor was wrong. Definitely. We have all been wrong for too long. We need to start failing students who cheat and reporting them to universities' academic integrity boards for expulsion. "Expelled for academic dishonesty" is a valuable comment to have on a transcript in today's job market. We've lowered standards and let cheaters slide because we care about individual students and don't want to ruin their lives. Maybe we should start placing the value of an actual education first.
UFSscam your comments here were deceptive. This is what was reported about the question bank:
-- the test bank, which contains all of an exam's questions and answers, was compromised by a third party website. Publishers release examinations that fit the learning modules within their text books, allowing instructors to use them. Sometimes, third-party websites acquire these keys and allow them to be purchased--
Not "provided" by publisher to students, nor was the Prof. wrong for using them.
Hey UFCscam- i noticed 200 some students came forward and fessed up to the cheating after the video. You think this is a "clever" debate, hiding behind a name online, but it's obvious you are in the minority.
And your point on "we paid for the class"? who gives a shit. A Prof doesn't owe you anything after the class.
and you want "an extra grade higher". what a lazy ass you are.
@hipstermi DUMB ass is more like it. The professor already knows with at least 95% certainty who are the guilty parties, and the vast majority of their classmates already confessed. "Demanding" an extra grade higher, I lol'd.
The people behind this vid have no leg to stand on. I recommend deleting the video and salvage what remains of your dignity, because it's sinking fast.
I think the professor is wrong for accusing 200 people for cheating! There are lots of students who got emails from their group memebers who didn't even open the emails until after the exam (like myself). Not only did I do worse on the second exam, but I also have to pay $25 for an ethics class. The teacher just saw who received the emails, not who opened them or when they opened them.. Apparently, he is not that concerned about who really cheated!
@kenney231 I agree. The professor was wrong to use test bank questions rather than make his own. That's just lazy. Whoever obtained the test bank and circulated it was also in the wrong. Fire the professor and expel that student.
I'm sure telling kids they have to take a test if they are having a baby is allowed in school policy too right? Jackass. You'll never be able to find out who cheated, nice try at scaring the kids, you should work for the gov instead.
In order for a student to get a test bank from a publisher they have to completely misrepresent themselves. It's CHEATING. You students are delusional. Professors write the test banks anyway, not the publishers.
I'm not so sure this is clear cut anymore. If the professor ON DAY 1 claimed HE WRITES the exam questions himself, then it was a complete shot in the dark for the students to use test bank questions. Based upon the representations made by the professor, I think students have a solid argument that they merely availed themselves of all the resources out there to prepare for the exam. It's quite possible students were surprised while taking the test that the questions looked familiar.
I completed a business law course at my college taught by a lawyer. He was notorious for always using roughly the same exams. One day, he ripped into us for studying old exams. He said he was writing all new tests from now one. He never took it to the dean or accused us of cheating. I believe this is because he knew (as a lawyer) that it isn't considered cheating. He was just pissed that we had caught on to his system.
Is the creator of this video a fucking moron? The professor is merely implying that he is organizing the test questions, not literally writing them. Obviously, someone with a brain as small as the video creators' might find that a little confusing. Maybe you should keep working on completing your GED before you try to accuse a longtime respectable professor of cheating his students.
@p0pkorn88 from what the professor said about making the exams I would have assumed he meant he creates the questions from scratch. I never had a professor who was so lazy that he didn't make the questions himself. Instructors make customized questions to avoid exactly this type of problem.
@tron81 That's BS. Test banks exist for a reason. I've had lots of teachers use shortcuts to make tests. One teacher I had even copied the unanswered questions out of the book once for a test. Sitting down and trying to be clever with questions doesn't work for everyone, especially those that are already bogged down in paperwork.
When he says "write his own.questions," I assumed he just select the ones he want on the test and hit print.
The only scam here is that so many people legitimately bust their asses earning degrees in subjects like science and engineering, and end up making less money than some well-connected frat boy with an MBA who couldn't get through a fucking MANAGEMENT CLASS without an answer key.
And then said fratboys have the nerve to whine to the rest of the world when the professor wises up and rewrites the tests.
Gonna be funny as hell when 400 students pass the new test and 200 fail. Dipshits.
@scarshapedstar Yes, the true tragedy of the nature of today's undergraduate education is how it devalues the work of intelligent, hard-working students who earn good grades. I've had excellent students in my classes. But now that social promotion has extended through the undergraduate level, the grades they earned do not demonstrate how academically superior they are. Good students everywhere should organize and protest the "pass everyone" attitude as unfair grading.
Sounds like maybe you have some personal issues to work through. An engineer cant be well connected? Regardless, engineers earn higher than average salaries compared to folks with business degrees (or anyone else). A survey by Pay Scale ranks the top 10 highest paying degrees for 2010. 7 out of the top 10 are engineering degrees.
This lazy professor should be fired. He says he writes the questions. He says he "writes" questions even he can't answer sometimes - now, doesn't that strike everyone as incredible? I can't fathom a "professor" saying such a thing in a class - why would he ever even think to say such a thing? Ah, we now know. TO cover his arse and hide any embarrassment if he is unable to answer the publisher's prewritten questions. The irony is that this "professor" is the one who is ethically challenged.
This hardly counts as cheating unless they had the test bank sitting in front of them while they were testing. The "professor" is in the wrong here. Of course, no other professor will admit the wrong doing of their kin. I mean, they're more educated and better than you, so your automatically wrong.
The fact that 200 students did this just goes to show that most didn't see this as "cheating." Teachers give practice tests all the time. I've even had some professors hint that certain questions will be on the test, word for word, and they were. If the professor didn't state that this was cheating before hand than he has no one to blame but himself.
"This hardly counts as cheating unless they had the test bank sitting in front of them while they were testing"
Yes it does. The questions were not available to the students. In the pre computer days, this would be equal to stealing the teacher's edition of the book or getting access to the possible list of questions.
why do you guys think being "clever" and debating is a substitute for just studying?
@hipstermi Because they don't want to accept responsibility for what they did. They knew it was wrong, but did it anyway. Now that they've been caught, they want to desperately deflect blame to others so they're not the ones at fault. Or worse, try to justify what they did was not only right but should be applauded, which a clear sign of a guilty conscience..
Really, the teacher is being way too graceful with his gesture. I would have let them all get expelled. Thank your professor profusely.
"This hardly counts as cheating unless they had the test bank sitting in front of them while they were testing"
Wrong. The test bank was not available to the students. You had to be the instructor with computer access. One cheater went to a 3rd party web site and gave it to everyone.
"no other professor will admit the wrong doing of their kin"
You seem to have a "problem" with professors and not lazy cheating students. other students in the class turned them in.
@gnookergi I guess UCF students are really stupid. That is cheating and you can not see it you are as dumb as UCF students. That is why a UCF student cannot get in UF or any respectable school.
@gnookergi It's entirely possible that they did have it in front of them. Given that they had a 51-hour window to do the makeup midterm - and the prof implies that that was unusually *short* - it clearly wasn't a case of sitting them all down in one room at one time with the exam.
Of course, checking your facts is, along with academic honesty apparently, viewed as a pointless waste of time by most of those attacking Dr. Quinn...
In what way does having a time frame to take a test imply that they have a test bank in front of them? That's the dumbest statement I've ever read. Also, 51 hours is not short in any way. You know what I get? I get a date and a time; take it or leave it.
Listen, I have absolutely nothing to do with this issue, I just came along it on Youtube. The difference between you and me is that I'm a realist. I look at and take things for what they are, not for what I want them to be.
Reality is, unless they had the answers in front of them while taking the exam, you cannot consider this as a lack of "academic honesty," unless you're a bias fool. 'Studying' is what you need to understand here. Using a set of questions to study from is not cheating.
Honestly though - and all reality and bias aside - you will get nowhere in life if you're always a goody two-shoe. If you want to be successful, then you're going to have to cheat and play dirty when the time calls for it.
I can't believe that these students feel such an overinflated sense of entitlement. It's embarrassing for them, for their school, and frankly for their generation. Wouldn't it be nice if that list of cheating students became public? Great way for potential employers to weed this group out of any recruitment processes at UCF or elsewhere.
Wow - I have to agree this guy got outed for taking some shortcuts and using information that made into the hands of a few students. When I was a grad student (late 1990's), nearly every prof had several versions of tests they had been using for years. Every year, they'd add a few and take out a few questions to make it nearly impossible for students who cheated to get higher than a "C" on the test. I'm surprised as long as this guy has been a prof, he's using someone else's test?
A friend of mine attended professor Quinn's class and he said that the students have an online assessment that allows them to share study grade materials. Morons like @elliesmall thinks those students cheated. What a fucking retard, why don't you go fuck yourself fag.
People, it's pretty clear elliesmall is a certified moron, lets embrace his mentally challenged state by marking his comments as spam. Clearly he thinks students cheated by a half-truth argument. You think I give a fuck if you like my language or not bitch?
@Zenome, this is really quite funny. You are doing whatever you can to provoke me, even getting your friends involved (or rather, yourself under a different userid). My comments must really bother you! Hahaha...
Now let me repeat myself again. It's not working! :D
@elliesmall ":D" smiling at your own ignorance? What's with the comma in front of my name? Did you not go to school to learn proper English? What a moron.
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Hey, stop your demagoguery! YOU have cheated and are shamelessly trying to cast blame on the professor for YOUR own moral failure. As a pedagogue myself, I have no sympathy for cheating weasels - especially the ones who try to demagogue their way through.
As a professional student, it's not "cheating" to use resources that is publicly available. After all, if you're STUDYING (despite the content being studied) you're still actually "studying".
Me thinks you're a bit of a presumptuous, pompous ass of a underemployed grammar teacher who gets off by belittling students who see through your uppity facade for the piece of trash that you are.
This professor is unbelievable... The publishers of the textbooks knowingly make those test banks available as a means of studying. They're suggestions as to how to test students and not meant to be actual exam questions.
@emilyj1987, the publishers of the text books make those test banks available to instructors only. Yes, they may also have seperate test banks available for students, but the one we are talking about here was definitely for instructors only. They are specifically intended as an aid to the instructor who's creating a quiz/test. They are meant to be exam questions.
It's people like @elliesmall that are a disgrace to this nation, he should jump off the bridge. Why don't you make a case where they actually took notes and read it during the test, anything they did before the test was fair play since the professor claimed he wrote the test so hard that even he could not answer. Now whether or not the students figure out he was using a test bank is his problem. He should have known this and actually did his job and make up some questions.
What dumb ass elliesmall does not know is that the students going to school today are an economic investment for future innovations. This idiot claims that the students cheated their education, when in fact they are only using the most innovative ways to study. Now as for the professor who used a test bank, shame on him and a second shame on him for calling them cheaters. When in fact, he did not do his job properly causing them to receive a poor education from lectures that have no relevance.
I'm a prof. All he is saying from 0:00 to 0:55 is that he creates the exam and he writes some of the questions. These claims are consistent with using a publisher-provided test bank. There is no evidence that he is lying or plagiarizing.
I have never taken questions from a test bank, but I happen to have the time to write my own questions. How many other courses is Quinn teaching? What administrative or other responsibilities does he have? Find out before accusing him of laziness.
@Hemul137 Typically what a prof will do is select most questions from previous exams or from a test bank, and write a few new ones for the new test. The questions are selected and written in order to cover all the topics covered in the course. This is consistent with all his comments.
The students were supposed to not have access to the test bank, which is why the prof used questions from it, and why accessing the test bank is cheating.
@Hemul137 Wrong. As a student you are honor bound to know what you shouldn't be getting into. The questions from the test bank and their answers, the teachers addition to the book, and other students homework are off limits.
You clearly misunderstood my point. Of course, just because you can doesn't mean it's right - no one argues with this.
If solutions are available - means: student can LEGALLY go get them...then it is equivalent as buying a practice booklet with sample questions.
If solutions are NOT available - means: only instructor is allowed to get the booklet then it is ILLEGAL and not allowed for student to he hands on one.
If I was a student I would demand the original score be accepted and sue if it is not. If you've done nothing wrong, why resit the test?
All this happened due to a lazy ass guy or faculty who won't write their own quetsions. At my college, they always wrote fresh new questions every time.
guarantee the account owner is one of the lazy fucks who cheated and is just pissed he got caught. publisher test banks aren't freely available, lol at calling your prof lazy for not making his own test when you are too lazy to study for the test
When publicly challenging someone with more education and social status, it's good to at least use an apostrophe when contracting "it is."
Even if your professor is an arrogant moron, I still haven't seen any proof that the test banks allegedly used to "cheat" were resources freely available from the publisher (which should be spelled with a lower-case "p"). Your sloppy writing does not help your credibility.
If I student questions I did not know were going to be on the exam then I am called a cheater when I take it because the professor assumes I cheated? I am automatically a cheater? Thats absurd. That's the kind of argument that people had int he old days, apparently some people still live in those "witch hunt" days. Take a look @elliesmall's argument. He's obviously a douche bag.
i'm relieved to know that Dr. Quinn reinforces gender inequality in business schools by insinuating that "giving birth" wouldn't even be a reasonable excuse for missing his exam. As a professor myself, I find his attitude totally appalling yet unsurprising
i'm relieved to know that Dr. Quinn reinforces gender inequality in business schools by insinuating that "giving birth" wouldn't even be a reasonable excuse for missing his exam. As a professor myself, I find his attitude totally appalling yet unsurprising.
well if all he is supposed to do is write the exams and he doesn't even do that, then what does he do? a lecture a week? the same lectures he's undoubtedly been giving for years?
All my text books links to these practice tests. I have trouble with scantron/multiple choice tests and this is the way I study. It really helps me during the tests and it helps me grasp the important points of the chapter. Afterall, isn't a midterm or final testing you to see if you learned the important points of the course? Surely they didn't expect every student to fully understand and be able to use every aspect of the course?
Strawman and ad hominem. Grow up and accept the fact you got caught cheating instead of grasping at straws in a vain attempt at dragging the professor down to help ease your embarrassment.
Wow, what a terrible debacle. I feel bad for everyone involved.
Speaking as a student myself, I would admit that I cheated regardless of whether I had actually cheated or not. It's the worst kind of prisoner's dilemma. Every student (the cheaters and non-cheaters alike) has no idea whether or not his or her name is on the list of cheaters: for example, the non-cheaters who studied hard and did well on the test would statistically be lumped in with the people who cheated.
Maybe if you students started caring more about the education you paid for, instead of the grades you so badly want (while putting in as little effort as possible), you wouldn't have to complain about this professor, as you would all have REAL grades by now.
Clearly the professor cares about your education more than you do.
You are in college to LEARN, not to do whatever is in your power to get good grades without earning them.
@elliesmall I am in college to get a degree, so I can buy food, avoid homelessness, and take care of my family. I don't give two shits about academic honesty, my alma mater, the other students in the class, the professors, or the ideal of knowledge. I used to buy into it all. I've since been rather brutally convinced that the school doesn't care about anything beyond keeping up appearances and sweeping the suicides and failures under the rug. It's a destructive system and all I want is out.
What's your point bitch? He didn't write the exam, he says all of the answers are out of a test bank. Oh snap he told you before the exam that he himself wrote the exam! That's your point?
Take your re-write and your 4 hour ethics class and like it bitch.
You are a giant douchebag. "People cheated? Just give everyone a higher grade!!!111!!11 lololol"
Really, you need to get over yourself. If I had to put my money somewhere, I'd bet you were on of the people that cheated, and now you're pouting because you got caught. Boohoo.
It sounds like the OP of this video needs to get over the fact that people cheated and they have to retake the test. If the OP didn't cheat and got a good grade they should be able to replicate the results. If the OP cheated, they are getting a once in a lifetime deal to get off scot-free and get to take the exam. In any event, the OP needs to stop whining and grow up. Life's not fair, learn to deal with it.
Sorry what. Have you ever gone to University or a College or a form of higher learning where exams are administered? If a professor tells me he is writing the exam, every piece of fucking material on the internet is fair game for me to study. If he lies and uses a test bank I grabbed to study from, that is his problem for being a lazy lying professor.
@dorfineer you can't always replicate a good exam score. You have good days and bad days, as least I do. I would have gone into a murderous rage if I'd been in that class and was told I had to retake an exam because a few people cheated. If he'd done his overpaid job and make his own exam questions like professors at good schools(not UCF) do none of this could have happened.
@tron81 given it would suck if you were one of the ones that cheated, but how could the University know who and who did not cheat? I think this is the most fair way to handle it. Generally, if you do well on an exam you will be able to do it again, or close enough. Also, regardless of how the prof makes the exam or how bad of teacher he is, it's still wrong to cheat. Those who didn't should be commended, for not, but sometimes life sucks and you just have to deal with it.
@dorfineer well you shouldn't punish those who didn't cheat by making them re-take the exam. If they can find those who did cheat then go after them for academic dishonesty. I think the fact that they're not doing that shows that what the students did with the test bank wasn't technically cheating.
This guy reminds me of the headline, "Boy kills parents; complains of being an orphan." What is astonishing is that other teachers are rushing to defend this lazy bore.
Just because he said he created the test does not mean he created it from questions he wrote himself. By create, he means assemble. Most professors use test questions from other professors, test banks, etc. The students knew he was going to use that test bank and they used that test bank despite it's intended exclusive use by professors. The students are still guilty of cheating and the "professor was lazy" argument has no merit.
I'm with the students on this one. What they did was not cheating. If anything, it was Quinn who cheated and certainly was dishonest with the class -- about his role in creating the exam. If he actually did create the exam, then there'd be no issue.
Quinn is the one that ought to be disciplined and forced to take classes in ethics. Personally, I'd fire him. Good thing he's not a tenured professor.
Once again the only thing this prove is that Professor Quinn has it good. He can do whatever he wants, let the "contract" Ph.D's pay for his mess. They'll work three times as hard and earn three times as less for his mistakes. Analogy for Mr.Quinn's famous quota, perhaps in the near future, "The days of tenured professors getting away with salaries they did not earn are over!"
@Zenome Quinn does not appear to be a tenured professor. His title is "instructor" rather than "professor." And he does not have a PhD -- more evidence that he's not a tenured professor. Nor should he be.
Who ever made this video claiming the professor is responsible for the cheating is a sad sad loser. I had to laugh out loud at some of the subtext you added because you don't understand what he is stating.
DeeJayOros 1 month ago
Someone was able to trick the publisher into emailing them the test bank questions. That is dishonest and cheating. This video is truly an embarrassment.
Rodrodrod6543 3 months ago
When he says write an exam, he means pull from the test banks. Test banks are used in many classes at UCF, where there are many classes. And since this class has sttreaming video, we can deduct that its large. If you're going to have a problem with this professer using a test bank, then be consistant and have a problem with every teacher using a test bank.
Tobino89 5 months ago
did he ever give a proper response to the double standard?
Tanith0709 6 months ago
He's the biggest cheat, liar and probably a stubborn bastard that won't admit his guilt.
spasticos 7 months ago
Calling students cheaters for using an online resource that is PROVIDED BY THE PUBLISHER for STUDYING PURPOSES is like calling students cheaters for reading their textbooks. Anybody heard of the SAT or the ACT or the BAR? How do you study for these exams? By looking at previous tests. Why doesn't everybody ace these tests then? BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE TESTS ARENT TOO LAZY TO DO THEIR JOB AND WRITE A NEW TEST!
Daytonkid11 8 months ago
Fuck whoever posted this video. The professor is right to be upset. I bet the piece of shit who posted this video throws a goddamn party every time Lindsay Lohan gets a slap on the wrist when she should have been put in jail.
musicalmike235 10 months ago
Listen up, people. He *claimed to write the exam*. Yeah, I'm sure everyone who says this is cheating would assume he's using a test bank and just compiling the questions into an exam! Whether or not you think the professor cheated is beside the point, and personally, I don't care. It's a test bank of 700 questions, and YES to those that doubt, most publishers DO make available a list of questions for their textbooks that students can use to study from.
SuaveTito 10 months ago
oh and you paid the class to LEARN no talk to the proffesor or CHEAT
skyline1259512595 11 months ago
if you didn't cheat why are you scared of taking another exam.. who knows you might score higher...
skyline1259512595 11 months ago 2
if i paid tuition to a school where teachers just reproduced tests from a bank of questions, i'd feel cheated
tickingtimebong 1 year ago
Sour grapes much here? The professor is 100% in the right here. The only thing that even could potentially be an issue was stating that he wrote the exam. I VERY much doubt a 700 question test bank would be available to anyone who wanted it from the publisher's website, so I do not buy the story that this info was "freely available". As has been stated, not surprised rating has been disabled, this would be rated into the ground.
Kabumpin 1 year ago
@Kabumpin So the whole basis of your thinking is that your opinion is that the information was not "freely available". What if it was "freely available"? Just wondering, because in the case that it is freely available, there is no way you could justify the students being in the wrong. If the professor wants to make the same test every quarter fine. But don't call students cheaters because they use online resources (often referred by the textbook itself)
Daytonkid11 8 months ago
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HUGE surprise that the "ratings" are disabled on this video. Losers!
shanusbohemus 1 year ago
HUGE surprise that the "rating" are disabled on this video. Losers!
shanusbohemus 1 year ago
The cheating in the US only adds to America's downfall. Out here in Asia cheating is much more common. Is this level of cheating new to America or is cheating just a reality of American culture that isn't projected through the mainstream media like that of America's foreign policy. What is the truth about this issue?
AudioIndi 1 year ago
They didnt steal it dumb ass, it was made by a publisher and remember that many questions before a test is almost to impossible. They should keep changing answers to test more often than use an easy-to-get answer sheet.
Wolffurrr 1 year ago
Was there a test bank? yes
Would the use of the test bank create an unfair advantage over the other students? yes
Was this test bank widely distributed? yes
Is this cheating? yes
Should people complain that their unfair advantage being revoked? no
mark84j 1 year ago
i dont know if the maker of the video is making fun of the retarded old man,but,i really hate this old teacher,he is so lame,cheating is for the own person failure or success, if i ever see someone cheating,iwould tell on him only if he is my rival or something,but if its a random dude,its not my business to do anything, i dont give a flying fuck for the people who cheat,if they dont get caught theyre winners :D NOW IF YOU GET caught, you a re a fucking dumbass, and maybe bad luck got you, sorry
Met0llicA 1 year ago
There could have been an interesting debate-- instead people from both sides reveal themselves to be so emotionally puerile that they resort to the vilest elementary school name-calling that just poisons the entire discussion. The lack of civility makes me nauseated. The minute any user resorts to name calling they discredit themselves as people even worthy of participating in the discussion. How sad.
ArgoLupus 1 year ago
@diamonddust22 hey bud thanks for that kind message you sent me on this shit...talking really tough for someone hiding behind a keyboard as well...no matter what you think, i still ended up graduating from the school and have made more money in the past two months than you probably will for the year
nyjets052003 1 year ago
@ lionesskitty creating is 1. to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes.
2. to evolve from one's own thought or imagination, as a work of art or an invention.
I THINK YOU WERE THINKING OF REENGINEERING... go back to school
loftyx 1 year ago
I honestly don't care whether you liked the teacher or not, or how the teacher created the final exam. The fact is that the students KNEW that the answers were available to them, and their decision to intentionally STUDY from the test bank automatically puts them in the wrong. Regardless of whether he makes up his own questions or uses the publisher's, it's the student's duty to dedicate time to studying for the final, not to find a shortcut and use the answer bank.
gtg4651 1 year ago
Seriously - stop whinning and own up. Students are not supposed to have the test bank and it IS CHEATING! I know that he implies that he writes the test, and you aparently interpret that to me that he writes every single question, but pulling some questions from a bank is totally reasonable. You're just ticked that you got caught and since this generation seems to be unable to except any consenquences for their own actions they have to whine about it. Pathetic.
Sammery 1 year ago
I'm a UCF business student .... you as a professor need to write your own tests!! I graduate this year and for one it wasn't cheating... the publisher make their test banks available on the internet!! they studied over 700 questions for a 50 question test!! and they are in a testing lab without any materials at all!! u tell me how that is cheating!!! its because they had a horrible teacher that was lazy and want to blame the students on it!!! thats what they teach us gain a competitive adv!!
loftyx 1 year ago
@loftyx That 'competitive advantage' comment is exactly why the cheaters are now required to take an ethics course.
frnknstn6474999 1 year ago
Hmm, YouTube seems to have eaten the second part of my message from last night. The basic idea was, using materials that could only have been obtained illicitly is quite obviously not within the understood boundaries of "open-book".
And frankly, I can't imagine an intelligent person of genuinely good will failing to understand that. What conclusion that leads me to about "gnookergi" is left as an exercise for the reader.
DungeonMasterJ 1 year ago
I assumed this was obvious, but since you apparently need it spelled out: 51-hour window = obviously not doing it under supervision, at least not in the form of standard exam invigilation = could have brought in anything they wanted.
Sorry for crediting you with enough intelligence to make that connection on your own. Won't happen again.
I have nothing against open-book tests (I give them myself), but using materials that could only have been obtained illicitly - and at least some of the
(TBC)
DungeonMasterJ 1 year ago
What do you want to bet this old dickhead cheated his way through college. This guy is living in a past age. There are no ethics in business anymore. Or politics. Or law enforcement. Or school. Or anything. Ethics are a thing of the past.
It's been replaced by "Do what thou wilt....just don't get caught".
This guy is a dickhead.
wakauai7wsxedcrfvqaz 1 year ago
Due to cheating, the class grade distribution is 1.5 letter grades higher than normal. So your recommended "solution" to the problem of 1/3 of the class cheating is give all students a whole letter grade *higher* on the test. How do you figure the logic there? Cheaters would then, on average, have a 2.5 letter bonus. Why? Yes, having to retake the exam is a pain in the butt, but at least it is fair.
mstmompj 1 year ago
"Creating" is not the same as writing the exam. Creating means, he chooses which question to put on the exam and in what order or fashion. He never claimed to write the questions.
Guess this explains why you had to cheat. You don't understand vocabulary at an elementary level!
lionessktty 1 year ago 2
@lionessktty Basic reading comprehension! Hooray! I was about to make the same point, it is heartening that someone already did it for me.
DungeonMasterJ 1 year ago
What was it that went from 7am Mon to midnight Weds?
ff2paladin 1 year ago
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Typical retarded UCF students. What do UF and UCF students have in common? They both got into UCF... Go Gators!
lacusftw 1 year ago
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Typical retarded UCF students. What do UF and UCF students have in common? They both got into UCF...
lacusftw 1 year ago
If I was in that class, knew I didn't cheat, and was forced to retake a test, I would have raised holy hell. Nobody said a frickin word.
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LoZoccolo 1 year ago
Maybe if these whiny students spent as much time studying instead of miserably defending themselves online, they wouldn't be perceived as brainless twits who want the world handed to them. Open a damn book and read! Mommy and daddy won't be there to hold your hand. If you can't hack the real world, go home and play on Facebook and Twitter and leave life to adults.
Zaxxxler 1 year ago 2
Richard Quinn probably cheated on his diploma too but will never admit it.
alliax 1 year ago
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KHELKHELMAINrg 1 year ago
Seriously, the sense of entitlement expressed by the "authors" of this gem is repugnant. You got busted cheating; deal with the consequences, you whiny, petulant, little children. You didn't pay for anything. An education from this class is a privilege, not a right. Also, I believe you meant to use "It's"; I don't suppose the difference between possessive and contractions was in the answer bank.
Burbles195 1 year ago
@Burbles195 - I fail to see the cheating. I took and passed the CPA exam. The AICPA released prior exams, creating banks of sample questions to study. These were usually attained through CPA courses like Becker & Kaplan. Many questions on the upcoming exams would come directly from this test bank. This teacher claimed to write his own questions and the students found a test bank to assist in their studies. It is the fault of a lazy teacher & not the students that he used this for his test.
joeglow 1 year ago 8
It's really entertaining seeing people trying to deflect all this negative attention back to the professor and pass it off as legitimate criticism. I've never seen such transparently phony outrage before.
zecraw 1 year ago
Unless the students a) knew the mid-tern questions were from a test bank AND b) knew their "study guide" was the actual test bank & not simply a list of study questions, then the students are not at fault. Educational research has shown that completing practice tests is a great way to get instant feedback & learn which topics you need to study more, & many textbook publishers provide study guides & practice tests for free. This prof should've talked to his students before jumping to conclusions.
virgquest 1 year ago
A video with this kind of disrespect and tactlessness wouldn't be surprising to see from people who are disrespectful and tactless cheaters.
Show me a student in this class who demonstrates poise and character, and I'll show you someone I'd actually believe didn't cheat.
mtotten2582 1 year ago
a bunch of UCF students pissed because they got caught. Grow up. Do the work.
werdchester 1 year ago 3
STUDENTS:drop out, its not like ur going to learn anything if ur cheating ur way through school anyways.DIPLOMA MILL. Ican't believe theyre trying to say that b/c he said he created the exam they're innocent. LOL. Of course the professor CREATES an exam, whether from a book of questions or not. IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE TESTED LIKE THIS DONT GO TO A PUBLIC UNIVERSITY
namasteinautumn 1 year ago
YOU CHEATED. They obviously cheated and are trying to get sympathy. I've never cheated on a college exam and I got into a doctorate program ALL BY MYSELF. The only thing I disagree with is how major unis test. I don't think multiple choice is a proper way to measure intelligence and most research backs me up. You couldn't cheat at my uni b/c it was all essays or projects. We actually learned the material.
namasteinautumn 1 year ago
I appears that because they were caught, that now someone is looking for a way out of their long lasting mistake. They didnt just cheat on one test, they've cheated on one life. Now, they are scrambling for something or someway to turn it around on the professor for some form of redemption. Dude's, all of you that cheated, deal with the consequences and move on. Now that you have national attention, your just gonna get in bigger trouble. Think about it
wmbosques 1 year ago
people can bash this guy all they want. Truthfully, the kids are probably mad that they have to take a mid term that they can't cheat on. Sure he used a test bank, but he isnt failing everyone, he's giving everyone an opportunity to pass.
Ghats212 1 year ago
Oh, you guys also got let off easy and still complain.
MatthewReel 1 year ago 5
This video is idiotic. Whine and complain, go ahead... You still cheated. That's all there is to it.
MatthewReel 1 year ago
3:10 lolz! uh-oh, this guy has really crossed the line!
now that the "prof" has god involved he is open game for the ACLU & any other legal group who wants to take him down!
get rid of this waste of living space.
punkrockefeller 1 year ago
As a teacher, I'd be happy if my students studied (studied) SEVEN HUNDRED questions because FIFTY might turn up in the exam.
Lacedaemonia 1 year ago
@sephmccarty my point about the use of test banks is that it allows this type of cheating problem. There *should* be a policy against it. Also, Quinn seems to be saying that he makes the questions. If that's the case looking at test bank questions is studying, not cheating.
tron81 1 year ago
I was one of the cheaters.....There small BITCH I said it.
bigtimejamal 1 year ago
What a lying dog. If this video is for this term, THE PROF PLAGIARIZED the questions from a test bank rather than writing the questions as he stated he would. Kids who went the extra mile to gather every resource to learn the material seven ways from Sunday are now accused of cheating because they used test bank questions to study that the PROF DIDN'T WRITE? Give me a break. Seriously, write 2000 test questions and let the kids study that.. they still have to learn the answers!
mccheese0 1 year ago
@mccheese0 "The extra mile"? If you truly believe that (illegally) getting copies of the test bank equates learning, you should have no problem passing the midterm again with that same test bank. After all, you're mastering the class by having all the answers, right? So get to it, Tiger; make your mama proud!
ChaosoneX 1 year ago
Oh please...I'm sure some student from a previous class realized that all of the professor's exam questions came from a test bankstudent study guide, and shared this information with others who shared it with other's, etc.
My question is..how did the professor figure it out?
yxals 1 year ago
@yxals he explains it in the video. The grade distribution was wrong.
tron81 1 year ago
@yxals Grade distribution was a grade and a half higher. Plus someone dropped a dime on the cheaters by leaving the test bank answers on his desk.
ChaosoneX 1 year ago
It is unbelievable how many people are actually are actually defending the fact that those who tried out wit the course got caught now say "Well he didn't come up with the questions himself so he cheated too". Completely missing the point of why what they did was wrong.
mabans 1 year ago 14
@mabans since when is taking a practice test wrong? look at the the end of each chapter and the back of each text book printed in the united states. They all have practice tests. And nowadays students use online resources too. Its not hard to get a copy of a practice test from any publisher. Ask yourself a question, how were the students able to get the information so easily? Because the publisher provides it as a STUDY AID. Don't call people cheaters just because they utilitze their resources
Daytonkid11 8 months ago
@mabans I think you fail to see what actually happened. Students studied for the exam using an outside resource-looking at old test examples from other textbooks. Turns out that the teacher used those same questions to create his exam. Students that used that practice test to study therefore knew the answers to all the questions on the test. They didn't intentionally cheat, but the teacher perceived it as cheating because they knew the answers.
ShadowChancellor 4 months ago
Sounds like plagierism to me. He's claiming that he's writing something that someone else wrote. I think the students got a bum deal. If they're being told the instructor writes the tests, how is studying a test on the same material that was written by the publisher of the book considered cheating on "his" exam? I think he got caught putting in less than the advertised effort for "teaching" this class and is shifting the blame. But the media love the "cheating scandal" angle, don't they?
Clearwater104 1 year ago
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Clearwater104 1 year ago
It's a test bank you mutant, it's a service to provide professors with this kind of stuff. That's the point of it! Even if he did how does that justify them cheating. Imagine if you found out that the surgen that was about to open you up had no real education because he spent most of time partying and cheating on exams? Even if he was skilled would you want to take that chance? I know that isn't what this guy was teaching but imagine that. Much less, the fact people paid for this! LOL PAID!! LOL
mabans 1 year ago
Two quick comments - First, publisher test banks are developed for instructors to use to create exams, and are supposed to be password protected to allow only instructors to access them. If students misrepresented themselves as instructors to access them then it is indeed cheating on behalf of the students. Second, if the publisher created a study guide tool publicly available for students with the same questions as the test bank then this is entirely the publishers fault! Which is it?
bwuether 1 year ago 4
Yes, this professor was wrong. Definitely. We have all been wrong for too long. We need to start failing students who cheat and reporting them to universities' academic integrity boards for expulsion. "Expelled for academic dishonesty" is a valuable comment to have on a transcript in today's job market. We've lowered standards and let cheaters slide because we care about individual students and don't want to ruin their lives. Maybe we should start placing the value of an actual education first.
debokey 1 year ago 3
UFSscam your comments here were deceptive. This is what was reported about the question bank:
-- the test bank, which contains all of an exam's questions and answers, was compromised by a third party website. Publishers release examinations that fit the learning modules within their text books, allowing instructors to use them. Sometimes, third-party websites acquire these keys and allow them to be purchased--
Not "provided" by publisher to students, nor was the Prof. wrong for using them.
hipstermi 1 year ago 3
Hey UFCscam- i noticed 200 some students came forward and fessed up to the cheating after the video. You think this is a "clever" debate, hiding behind a name online, but it's obvious you are in the minority.
And your point on "we paid for the class"? who gives a shit. A Prof doesn't owe you anything after the class.
and you want "an extra grade higher". what a lazy ass you are.
hipstermi 1 year ago 2
@hipstermi DUMB ass is more like it. The professor already knows with at least 95% certainty who are the guilty parties, and the vast majority of their classmates already confessed. "Demanding" an extra grade higher, I lol'd.
The people behind this vid have no leg to stand on. I recommend deleting the video and salvage what remains of your dignity, because it's sinking fast.
ChaosoneX 1 year ago
Apparently, according to this "professor", those students are to blame for his 20 years of failure.
SolarEXtract 1 year ago
I think the professor is wrong for accusing 200 people for cheating! There are lots of students who got emails from their group memebers who didn't even open the emails until after the exam (like myself). Not only did I do worse on the second exam, but I also have to pay $25 for an ethics class. The teacher just saw who received the emails, not who opened them or when they opened them.. Apparently, he is not that concerned about who really cheated!
kenney231 1 year ago
@kenney231 I agree. The professor was wrong to use test bank questions rather than make his own. That's just lazy. Whoever obtained the test bank and circulated it was also in the wrong. Fire the professor and expel that student.
tron81 1 year ago
I'm sure telling kids they have to take a test if they are having a baby is allowed in school policy too right? Jackass. You'll never be able to find out who cheated, nice try at scaring the kids, you should work for the gov instead.
jnberger 1 year ago
In order for a student to get a test bank from a publisher they have to completely misrepresent themselves. It's CHEATING. You students are delusional. Professors write the test banks anyway, not the publishers.
JMoff67 1 year ago 4
I'm not so sure this is clear cut anymore. If the professor ON DAY 1 claimed HE WRITES the exam questions himself, then it was a complete shot in the dark for the students to use test bank questions. Based upon the representations made by the professor, I think students have a solid argument that they merely availed themselves of all the resources out there to prepare for the exam. It's quite possible students were surprised while taking the test that the questions looked familiar.
Tobytuber 1 year ago
This is one of the funniest stories and videos I have seen this week, using text books test bank to study for an exam is now cheating.
jonnyp109 1 year ago
I completed a business law course at my college taught by a lawyer. He was notorious for always using roughly the same exams. One day, he ripped into us for studying old exams. He said he was writing all new tests from now one. He never took it to the dean or accused us of cheating. I believe this is because he knew (as a lawyer) that it isn't considered cheating. He was just pissed that we had caught on to his system.
Andy4Cincy 1 year ago
Is the creator of this video a fucking moron? The professor is merely implying that he is organizing the test questions, not literally writing them. Obviously, someone with a brain as small as the video creators' might find that a little confusing. Maybe you should keep working on completing your GED before you try to accuse a longtime respectable professor of cheating his students.
p0pkorn88 1 year ago 4
@p0pkorn88 from what the professor said about making the exams I would have assumed he meant he creates the questions from scratch. I never had a professor who was so lazy that he didn't make the questions himself. Instructors make customized questions to avoid exactly this type of problem.
tron81 1 year ago
@tron81 That's BS. Test banks exist for a reason. I've had lots of teachers use shortcuts to make tests. One teacher I had even copied the unanswered questions out of the book once for a test. Sitting down and trying to be clever with questions doesn't work for everyone, especially those that are already bogged down in paperwork.
When he says "write his own.questions," I assumed he just select the ones he want on the test and hit print.
ChaosoneX 1 year ago
The only scam here is that so many people legitimately bust their asses earning degrees in subjects like science and engineering, and end up making less money than some well-connected frat boy with an MBA who couldn't get through a fucking MANAGEMENT CLASS without an answer key.
And then said fratboys have the nerve to whine to the rest of the world when the professor wises up and rewrites the tests.
Gonna be funny as hell when 400 students pass the new test and 200 fail. Dipshits.
scarshapedstar 1 year ago 57
@scarshapedstar Yes, the true tragedy of the nature of today's undergraduate education is how it devalues the work of intelligent, hard-working students who earn good grades. I've had excellent students in my classes. But now that social promotion has extended through the undergraduate level, the grades they earned do not demonstrate how academically superior they are. Good students everywhere should organize and protest the "pass everyone" attitude as unfair grading.
debokey 1 year ago 2
@scarshapedstar
What do you mean? rewrite w/o ad hominem. the instructor is also only writing
the test for the first time, it's a test from a testbank. Your guessing is
humorous. The scam is paying increasing tuition for horrible instruction and
assessments that lack innovation. A professor needs to be a bit more involved
in the assessments, not just copy and paste questions.
willonline2010 1 year ago
@scarshapedstar
What do you mean? rewrite w/o ad hominem. the instructor is also only writing
the test for the first time, it's a test from a testbank. Your guessing is
humorous. The scam is paying increasing tuition for horrible instruction and
assessments that lack innovation. A professor needs to be a bit more involved
in the assessments, not just copy and paste questions.
willonline2010 1 year ago
@scarshapedstar
Sounds like maybe you have some personal issues to work through. An engineer cant be well connected? Regardless, engineers earn higher than average salaries compared to folks with business degrees (or anyone else). A survey by Pay Scale ranks the top 10 highest paying degrees for 2010. 7 out of the top 10 are engineering degrees.
civiliansam 1 year ago
@scarshapedstar One of those well-connected frat boys just spent 8 years as President of the United Fucking States. Go figure.
TheAle89515 1 year ago
This lazy professor should be fired. He says he writes the questions. He says he "writes" questions even he can't answer sometimes - now, doesn't that strike everyone as incredible? I can't fathom a "professor" saying such a thing in a class - why would he ever even think to say such a thing? Ah, we now know. TO cover his arse and hide any embarrassment if he is unable to answer the publisher's prewritten questions. The irony is that this "professor" is the one who is ethically challenged.
ArthurDentZaphodBeeb 1 year ago
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jmluceno 1 year ago
Ethics and honor might help you sleep at night, but anyone who didn't use the "easy way out" is the retard. Have a good time working for mediocrity.
B0bbyB4nk5 1 year ago
@B0bbyB4nk5
What an ignoramus....you obviously don't understand the point of laws in society.
Thank god you are not the president, otherwise we would all be doomed.
Hemul137 1 year ago
Here is Richard Quinn's email address write him emailto:rquinn@bus.ucf.edu
rquinn@bus.ucf.edu
rf11404 1 year ago
This hardly counts as cheating unless they had the test bank sitting in front of them while they were testing. The "professor" is in the wrong here. Of course, no other professor will admit the wrong doing of their kin. I mean, they're more educated and better than you, so your automatically wrong.
gnookergi 1 year ago 17
@gnookergi
You're*
The fact that 200 students did this just goes to show that most didn't see this as "cheating." Teachers give practice tests all the time. I've even had some professors hint that certain questions will be on the test, word for word, and they were. If the professor didn't state that this was cheating before hand than he has no one to blame but himself.
gnookergi 1 year ago
@gnookergi
"This hardly counts as cheating unless they had the test bank sitting in front of them while they were testing"
Yes it does. The questions were not available to the students. In the pre computer days, this would be equal to stealing the teacher's edition of the book or getting access to the possible list of questions.
why do you guys think being "clever" and debating is a substitute for just studying?
hipstermi 1 year ago 3
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ChaosoneX 1 year ago
@hipstermi Because they don't want to accept responsibility for what they did. They knew it was wrong, but did it anyway. Now that they've been caught, they want to desperately deflect blame to others so they're not the ones at fault. Or worse, try to justify what they did was not only right but should be applauded, which a clear sign of a guilty conscience..
Really, the teacher is being way too graceful with his gesture. I would have let them all get expelled. Thank your professor profusely.
ChaosoneX 1 year ago
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@gnookergi
"This hardly counts as cheating unless they had the test bank sitting in front of them while they were testing"
Wrong. The test bank was not available to the students. You had to be the instructor with computer access. One cheater went to a 3rd party web site and gave it to everyone.
"no other professor will admit the wrong doing of their kin"
You seem to have a "problem" with professors and not lazy cheating students. other students in the class turned them in.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@gnookergi I guess UCF students are really stupid. That is cheating and you can not see it you are as dumb as UCF students. That is why a UCF student cannot get in UF or any respectable school.
guillermobarthelmes 1 year ago
@gnookergi It's entirely possible that they did have it in front of them. Given that they had a 51-hour window to do the makeup midterm - and the prof implies that that was unusually *short* - it clearly wasn't a case of sitting them all down in one room at one time with the exam.
Of course, checking your facts is, along with academic honesty apparently, viewed as a pointless waste of time by most of those attacking Dr. Quinn...
DungeonMasterJ 1 year ago
@DungeonMasterJ
In what way does having a time frame to take a test imply that they have a test bank in front of them? That's the dumbest statement I've ever read. Also, 51 hours is not short in any way. You know what I get? I get a date and a time; take it or leave it.
Listen, I have absolutely nothing to do with this issue, I just came along it on Youtube. The difference between you and me is that I'm a realist. I look at and take things for what they are, not for what I want them to be.
gnookergi 1 year ago
Reality is, unless they had the answers in front of them while taking the exam, you cannot consider this as a lack of "academic honesty," unless you're a bias fool. 'Studying' is what you need to understand here. Using a set of questions to study from is not cheating.
Honestly though - and all reality and bias aside - you will get nowhere in life if you're always a goody two-shoe. If you want to be successful, then you're going to have to cheat and play dirty when the time calls for it.
gnookergi 1 year ago
@gnookergi The students STOLE the test before it was given. How is that not cheating?
TSGOTF 1 year ago
I can't believe that these students feel such an overinflated sense of entitlement. It's embarrassing for them, for their school, and frankly for their generation. Wouldn't it be nice if that list of cheating students became public? Great way for potential employers to weed this group out of any recruitment processes at UCF or elsewhere.
uberknarf1 1 year ago 4
Wow - I have to agree this guy got outed for taking some shortcuts and using information that made into the hands of a few students. When I was a grad student (late 1990's), nearly every prof had several versions of tests they had been using for years. Every year, they'd add a few and take out a few questions to make it nearly impossible for students who cheated to get higher than a "C" on the test. I'm surprised as long as this guy has been a prof, he's using someone else's test?
darksaga80 1 year ago
Rofl, you get your ass busted for cheating then make a video slandering your professor on youtube? Classy stuff, you belong in Business.
PKATrain 1 year ago 3
A friend of mine attended professor Quinn's class and he said that the students have an online assessment that allows them to share study grade materials. Morons like @elliesmall thinks those students cheated. What a fucking retard, why don't you go fuck yourself fag.
despitethosefears 1 year ago
People, it's pretty clear elliesmall is a certified moron, lets embrace his mentally challenged state by marking his comments as spam. Clearly he thinks students cheated by a half-truth argument. You think I give a fuck if you like my language or not bitch?
Zenome 1 year ago
@Zenome, this is really quite funny. You are doing whatever you can to provoke me, even getting your friends involved (or rather, yourself under a different userid). My comments must really bother you! Hahaha...
Now let me repeat myself again. It's not working! :D
elliesmall 1 year ago
@elliesmall There is no need to provoke ignorance.
Mr11943sc 1 year ago
@elliesmall ":D" smiling at your own ignorance? What's with the comma in front of my name? Did you not go to school to learn proper English? What a moron.
Zenome 1 year ago
@elliesmall Maybe you should work on your grammar skills.
johnhassle 1 year ago
yeah this mother fucker is the one who cheated
BACHINA123 1 year ago
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Hey, stop your demagoguery! YOU have cheated and are shamelessly trying to cast blame on the professor for YOUR own moral failure. As a pedagogue myself, I have no sympathy for cheating weasels - especially the ones who try to demagogue their way through.
alan7749 1 year ago
@alan7749 Mr. UCF Professor? is that you?
As a professional student, it's not "cheating" to use resources that is publicly available. After all, if you're STUDYING (despite the content being studied) you're still actually "studying".
Me thinks you're a bit of a presumptuous, pompous ass of a underemployed grammar teacher who gets off by belittling students who see through your uppity facade for the piece of trash that you are.
Fucking sesquipedalian asses. demagoguedemagoguedemagoguedem
phatric 1 year ago
This professor is unbelievable... The publishers of the textbooks knowingly make those test banks available as a means of studying. They're suggestions as to how to test students and not meant to be actual exam questions.
emilyj1987 1 year ago
@emilyj1987, the publishers of the text books make those test banks available to instructors only. Yes, they may also have seperate test banks available for students, but the one we are talking about here was definitely for instructors only. They are specifically intended as an aid to the instructor who's creating a quiz/test. They are meant to be exam questions.
elliesmall 1 year ago
It's people like @elliesmall that are a disgrace to this nation, he should jump off the bridge. Why don't you make a case where they actually took notes and read it during the test, anything they did before the test was fair play since the professor claimed he wrote the test so hard that even he could not answer. Now whether or not the students figure out he was using a test bank is his problem. He should have known this and actually did his job and make up some questions.
Zenome 1 year ago
What dumb ass elliesmall does not know is that the students going to school today are an economic investment for future innovations. This idiot claims that the students cheated their education, when in fact they are only using the most innovative ways to study. Now as for the professor who used a test bank, shame on him and a second shame on him for calling them cheaters. When in fact, he did not do his job properly causing them to receive a poor education from lectures that have no relevance.
Zenome 1 year ago
He's just a lazy ass. He's no folk hero.
kaachhimself 1 year ago
I'm a prof. All he is saying from 0:00 to 0:55 is that he creates the exam and he writes some of the questions. These claims are consistent with using a publisher-provided test bank. There is no evidence that he is lying or plagiarizing.
I have never taken questions from a test bank, but I happen to have the time to write my own questions. How many other courses is Quinn teaching? What administrative or other responsibilities does he have? Find out before accusing him of laziness.
jamieandrews 1 year ago
@jamieandrews
Sorry, that makes totally no sense.
You can interpret it that way, but that is not the literal meaning of the words.
By literal meaning he is stating he will write questions/create exam.
If he took all questions from the publisher, he didn't fulfill his promise.
If students memorize solutions to a test a year before because it was available
for studying, and the prof. decides to give the same questions the next year...
were students also cheating? No, they were just studying.
Hemul137 1 year ago
@Hemul137 Typically what a prof will do is select most questions from previous exams or from a test bank, and write a few new ones for the new test. The questions are selected and written in order to cover all the topics covered in the course. This is consistent with all his comments.
The students were supposed to not have access to the test bank, which is why the prof used questions from it, and why accessing the test bank is cheating.
jamieandrews 1 year ago 3
@jamieandrews
It is test banks fault then, not students.
If test bank allows students to access it, then the material is equivalent
to studying sample exam questions.
So blaming students for this is ridiculous.
Now if students got illegally test bank questions, that is different story.
If it is accessible, then prof. is the one stupid here for not checking if it
is accessible or not.
Hemul137 1 year ago
@Hemul137 Wrong. As a student you are honor bound to know what you shouldn't be getting into. The questions from the test bank and their answers, the teachers addition to the book, and other students homework are off limits.
Just because you can doesn't mean it's right.
Or allowed either.
psanf2 1 year ago
@psanf2
You clearly misunderstood my point. Of course, just because you can doesn't mean it's right - no one argues with this.
If solutions are available - means: student can LEGALLY go get them...then it is equivalent as buying a practice booklet with sample questions.
If solutions are NOT available - means: only instructor is allowed to get the booklet then it is ILLEGAL and not allowed for student to he hands on one.
There are solutions manuals for students.
Hemul137 1 year ago
One thing you can always count on from cheaters is all sorts of whining, finger-pointing, and excuses when they get caught.
goadtoad 1 year ago 3
@goadtoad, that is so, so true!
elliesmall 1 year ago
If I was a student I would demand the original score be accepted and sue if it is not. If you've done nothing wrong, why resit the test?
All this happened due to a lazy ass guy or faculty who won't write their own quetsions. At my college, they always wrote fresh new questions every time.
gp4nut 1 year ago
What degree was this for?
JihadOfTheSoul 1 year ago
guarantee the account owner is one of the lazy fucks who cheated and is just pissed he got caught. publisher test banks aren't freely available, lol at calling your prof lazy for not making his own test when you are too lazy to study for the test
theboarder410 1 year ago 3
Re: 3:40
When publicly challenging someone with more education and social status, it's good to at least use an apostrophe when contracting "it is."
Even if your professor is an arrogant moron, I still haven't seen any proof that the test banks allegedly used to "cheat" were resources freely available from the publisher (which should be spelled with a lower-case "p"). Your sloppy writing does not help your credibility.
SchmittyRKD 1 year ago 3
If I student questions I did not know were going to be on the exam then I am called a cheater when I take it because the professor assumes I cheated? I am automatically a cheater? Thats absurd. That's the kind of argument that people had int he old days, apparently some people still live in those "witch hunt" days. Take a look @elliesmall's argument. He's obviously a douche bag.
Zenome 1 year ago
i'm relieved to know that Dr. Quinn reinforces gender inequality in business schools by insinuating that "giving birth" wouldn't even be a reasonable excuse for missing his exam. As a professor myself, I find his attitude totally appalling yet unsurprising
kathrodeo 1 year ago
i'm relieved to know that Dr. Quinn reinforces gender inequality in business schools by insinuating that "giving birth" wouldn't even be a reasonable excuse for missing his exam. As a professor myself, I find his attitude totally appalling yet unsurprising.
kathrodeo 1 year ago
@kathrodeo This guy is a sexist and a liar. He should be fired.
Zenome 1 year ago
well if all he is supposed to do is write the exams and he doesn't even do that, then what does he do? a lecture a week? the same lectures he's undoubtedly been giving for years?
lautour 1 year ago
All my text books links to these practice tests. I have trouble with scantron/multiple choice tests and this is the way I study. It really helps me during the tests and it helps me grasp the important points of the chapter. Afterall, isn't a midterm or final testing you to see if you learned the important points of the course? Surely they didn't expect every student to fully understand and be able to use every aspect of the course?
rockyzee 1 year ago
Strawman and ad hominem. Grow up and accept the fact you got caught cheating instead of grasping at straws in a vain attempt at dragging the professor down to help ease your embarrassment.
twirmd 1 year ago 2
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BobaFettTDG 1 year ago
Therefore, it's better in any case for all students (cheaters and non-cheaters) to admit that they cheated.
wsl2107 1 year ago
Wow, what a terrible debacle. I feel bad for everyone involved.
Speaking as a student myself, I would admit that I cheated regardless of whether I had actually cheated or not. It's the worst kind of prisoner's dilemma. Every student (the cheaters and non-cheaters alike) has no idea whether or not his or her name is on the list of cheaters: for example, the non-cheaters who studied hard and did well on the test would statistically be lumped in with the people who cheated.
wsl2107 1 year ago
Maybe if you students started caring more about the education you paid for, instead of the grades you so badly want (while putting in as little effort as possible), you wouldn't have to complain about this professor, as you would all have REAL grades by now.
Clearly the professor cares about your education more than you do.
You are in college to LEARN, not to do whatever is in your power to get good grades without earning them.
elliesmall 1 year ago
@elliesmall I am in college to get a degree, so I can buy food, avoid homelessness, and take care of my family. I don't give two shits about academic honesty, my alma mater, the other students in the class, the professors, or the ideal of knowledge. I used to buy into it all. I've since been rather brutally convinced that the school doesn't care about anything beyond keeping up appearances and sweeping the suicides and failures under the rug. It's a destructive system and all I want is out.
Frankmuddy 1 year ago
@Frankmuddy, that is a really, really sad attitude.
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aquaknot 1 year ago
What's your point bitch? He didn't write the exam, he says all of the answers are out of a test bank. Oh snap he told you before the exam that he himself wrote the exam! That's your point?
Take your re-write and your 4 hour ethics class and like it bitch.
aquaknot 1 year ago
You are a giant douchebag. "People cheated? Just give everyone a higher grade!!!111!!11 lololol"
Really, you need to get over yourself. If I had to put my money somewhere, I'd bet you were on of the people that cheated, and now you're pouting because you got caught. Boohoo.
Roberteebertson 1 year ago 5
It sounds like the OP of this video needs to get over the fact that people cheated and they have to retake the test. If the OP didn't cheat and got a good grade they should be able to replicate the results. If the OP cheated, they are getting a once in a lifetime deal to get off scot-free and get to take the exam. In any event, the OP needs to stop whining and grow up. Life's not fair, learn to deal with it.
dorfineer 1 year ago
@dorfineer
Sorry what. Have you ever gone to University or a College or a form of higher learning where exams are administered? If a professor tells me he is writing the exam, every piece of fucking material on the internet is fair game for me to study. If he lies and uses a test bank I grabbed to study from, that is his problem for being a lazy lying professor.
iamtraviss 1 year ago
@dorfineer you can't always replicate a good exam score. You have good days and bad days, as least I do. I would have gone into a murderous rage if I'd been in that class and was told I had to retake an exam because a few people cheated. If he'd done his overpaid job and make his own exam questions like professors at good schools(not UCF) do none of this could have happened.
tron81 1 year ago
@tron81 given it would suck if you were one of the ones that cheated, but how could the University know who and who did not cheat? I think this is the most fair way to handle it. Generally, if you do well on an exam you will be able to do it again, or close enough. Also, regardless of how the prof makes the exam or how bad of teacher he is, it's still wrong to cheat. Those who didn't should be commended, for not, but sometimes life sucks and you just have to deal with it.
dorfineer 1 year ago
@dorfineer well you shouldn't punish those who didn't cheat by making them re-take the exam. If they can find those who did cheat then go after them for academic dishonesty. I think the fact that they're not doing that shows that what the students did with the test bank wasn't technically cheating.
tron81 1 year ago
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clarson0420 1 year ago 2
This guy reminds me of the headline, "Boy kills parents; complains of being an orphan." What is astonishing is that other teachers are rushing to defend this lazy bore.
gregerobbins 1 year ago
Just because he said he created the test does not mean he created it from questions he wrote himself. By create, he means assemble. Most professors use test questions from other professors, test banks, etc. The students knew he was going to use that test bank and they used that test bank despite it's intended exclusive use by professors. The students are still guilty of cheating and the "professor was lazy" argument has no merit.
TheTroll342 1 year ago 4
I'm an administrator at a university in Boston.
I'm with the students on this one. What they did was not cheating. If anything, it was Quinn who cheated and certainly was dishonest with the class -- about his role in creating the exam. If he actually did create the exam, then there'd be no issue.
Quinn is the one that ought to be disciplined and forced to take classes in ethics. Personally, I'd fire him. Good thing he's not a tenured professor.
jsarvey 1 year ago
Once again the only thing this prove is that Professor Quinn has it good. He can do whatever he wants, let the "contract" Ph.D's pay for his mess. They'll work three times as hard and earn three times as less for his mistakes. Analogy for Mr.Quinn's famous quota, perhaps in the near future, "The days of tenured professors getting away with salaries they did not earn are over!"
Zenome 1 year ago 2
@Zenome Quinn does not appear to be a tenured professor. His title is "instructor" rather than "professor." And he does not have a PhD -- more evidence that he's not a tenured professor. Nor should he be.
jsarvey 1 year ago 2