Escuchen yo soy punk, ustedes marchan y hacen rolas, pero a diferencia de ustedes yo hago un trabajo que si rendira frutos, estoy estudiando derecho y me metere al ejercito, porque? para hacer un verdadero cambio, entren a la politica, entren a la policia o al ejercito, hagan el cambio. UNA LEY CAMBIA MEJOR AL MUNDO QUE UNA ROLA
They "want everyone to live in shacks like them"?!
What they want is to be left alone. What they want is what is rightfully thiers. Fuck you. They are forcing NO ONE to do anything. The state and the military are forcing THEM to live a certain way. Are they holding guns to YOUR head forcing you to build a shack and live in it?
It's pretty simple to see who is wrong and who is right here. You are brainwashed.
right, they attack 8 towns in chiapas, they tell the citizens of those towns that they are claiming their land, but its okay? do you also support the taliban? these guys also attacked oil pipelines in mexico, which was a terrorist atatck in mexico, do you support terrorists then? you live in USA, and you say i am brainwahed? please. i am with the mexican military 100%. they are to protect the stability of mexico, while the US military is there to attack small nations and take their resources.
I agree that the US military is imperialist. I never said otherwise. I am a big critic of the US. Just because I live here doesn't mean I believe the lies of the politicians, corporations or the media.
Indigenous people have had thier land stolen from them. Just like here with the Native Americans/American Indians.
They "attacked" oil piplines and this makes them terrorists? Who did they murder? Their protests have been largely nonviolent.
if their protests where non violent, why do they feel the need to try to provoke mexican soldiers ? why did they carry weapons in chiapas in 1994 if they where going to perform a "peaceful protest"?
When unjust treaties between governments to make transnational corporations even wealthier, and the state is kicking YOU off your land backed by the military, you can expect that the ELZN will be there to back you. Not that you'd deserve it.
What if still to this day The Native Americans or a group of discruntled southerners "in their opinion" thought land arangements were unjustified. Would it be jusified to rutinely attack a Federal Building or farms that should be Native American property. You wouldnt like that would you. These people are no different. They use any excuse to kill and still and its just a few people in this world who believe them. Mostly decieved leftist college students and wako professors teaching this nonsense
Steve, in my view the Native Americans had every right to this land. There were millions of them here and they had their own established complex cultures and countless tribes.
The Europeans cam in and decided that they had no right to there own land, their homes, their livelihood. Frankly, I wouldn't care if they attacked government buildings as long as they didn't kill or injure anyone. They've been done an injustice that is incomprehensible. They have watched their own holocaust.
And Steve, these visionaries in our society you speak of are disgusting. They use their power and wealth to control and destroy anything in the way of their profits. How can you look up to them?
We only have a finite set of resources and they are eating the world and its people alive. They think they are entitled to anything and everything.
And I am not being deceived by anyone. I give my support to all indigenous people fighting for their right to exist.
the mexican government would rather set all its nuclear reactors to melt down and let the cartels in control of mexico before they ever let a foreign nation take the land of mexico. you are a stupid american, i bet you also believe israel blew up the 9/11 towers.
I don't understand why you keep assuming things about me. I don't think Israel blew up the towers. What are you talking about?
What foreign nation is trying to take Mexican land? If you're talking about the Zapatistas I can't help but laugh since they are INDIGENOUS to the land. Meaning they have been occupying Chiapas since BEFORE Mexico became Mexico. The land is theirs, they are part of it.
I still can't understand why you'd support a State (which is a "thing") rather than human beings.
all of your arguments are basically saying that mexico is in a high scheme conspiracy out to whore its lands to usa as part of some "new world order", honestly, i do belive you are a stupid fucking american, and that all i can say. because tis the truth. once you stop using conspiracys to back your arguments, i can stop calling you a stupid americunt
There is no "conspiracy." It's an agreement, simple and plain for the world to see. I'm getting tired of re-explaining everything. Seriously, just look up what NAFTA is about. It's not hidden or secret or an "evil" plot. It just is what it is. Its good for business, bad for people. Same old, same old.
Simply put, those with power will always seek more power. Those people with no power suffer. It's not a conspiracy that this always happens. It's just a fact of modern life.
I'm really sick of you stereotyping me. Besides the fact that we disagree, what exactly makes me stupid? Just being American?
I don't consider myself a patriot of any country. I'm a citizen of the world. I don't like American culture, I don't go to the mall, I don't watch FOX, MSNBC, CNN etc...seriously what is it that makes me the stereotypical stupid American? Americans think I'm weird because I say "people before profits" & fight 4 human rights instead of shopping constantly. So.....?
really? i dont know any of my relatives that still live in mexico that are being displaced and being harmed by the evil entity of "NAFTA", tell me, who was really hurt by nafta? no body. it seems like your just an american who wants to do less with mexico, i understand, americans have a superiority complex and makes you feel too good to do anything with mexico. even if it did hurt mexico, why would it matter to you? no body goes around talking about politics of usa.
Who is being harmed by NAFTA? THE ZAPATISTAS. Indigenous people of Mexico who are being kicked off the land because of this agreement. Like I said, its pretty simple.
Again I'm NOT some stupid blindly proud American who thinks she is better than everyone else. We human beings are all the same no matter where we live. That's why I don't consider myself a patriot of any country. I don't even belive in state borders
I'm anti-xenophobic. So again, your assumtions and stereotypes of me are wrong.
these arent indignant people they those who will kill cheat and steal in the name of liberation. They have to hold on to something because they hate working so badly it is worth it for them to die a glorious death for their illusive beleif thatswhat it boils down to WISE UP TINK No truer words have ever been spoken
I can assure you, the Zapatistas are INDIGENOUS to the land of Chiapas. They were there before Mexico became Mexico. Now Mexico wants to force them off THEIR land. They aren't looking to take over the Mexican government. They just want to be left alone, yes to WORK and support themselves and sustain their community like they have always done.
"What it boils down to" is you are not listening just like al3xt3hl0nly.
really? the only people who say the people of mexico are being hurt by nafta are conspiracy theorist's like you. i have yet to see ONE person in mexico being kicked off land, in fact, last yeard in june i went to oaxaca, and i did not see the evil mexican soldier from hell beating and raping "indiginous" people . nor has any body who does not wear silly tinfoil hats seen this either.
Did I say the soldiers were "evil" rapists? No. I have cousins, an uncle and friends in the military. I'm not talking about individual people. I'm talking about the Mexican government. Did the soldiers come up with NAFTA? No. They are doing what they're ordered to do
Look, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm a human rights advocate. Conspiracy theorists believe in the illuminati and UFOs. I don't
The only reason you don't see people getting kicked off land is because theyre holding their ground
its amazing, i , that was actually born in mexico, and travel to mexico every year, have never seen the government abusing "human rights", Ever. i have heard of these " protests" on the military of mexico because of supposed human rights abuses, but an investigation into the protests determined that the protests where funded by drug cartels and narcos.
So you don't see it and therefore it doesn't exist? Who did the investigation of the protests?
I know we aren't going to agree on this. You believe in authority of the State over people and I believe in autonomy. You're a statist and I'm an anarchist.
I just want to understand WHY you think ANY state (doesn't have to be Mexico or the US) or corporation has the right to claim land that is already inhabited. Does might make right?
i am still waiting for you to prove to me that the zapatistas are being punished by the evil nazi devil worshping soldiers of mexico. the zapatistas did not loose any land, you stupid american. on january 1, 1994, mexico stopped HANDING OUT LAND. not takeing it away, you americans just become stupider everyday, "the right wing is stupid as fuck, the left wing is stupid as fuck" you keep claiming that evil nazi devil worshiping "corporations of nazi mexico" and the mexican soldiers are takeing
I never said "corporations of nazi mexico." Who are you quoting?
I NEVER once accused soldiers of Mexico to be nazis! In fact I don't recall saying ANYTHING about soldiers. They are just doing their job. I'm not blaming them, I never called them evil or rapists or nazis.
Some of the comments here respond to you and some are for stevemtc1. But either way I never said those things.
If we can't have discourse without wild accusations and constant assumptions then I don't think we can carry on.
"the mexican government would rather set all its nuclear reactors to melt down and let the cartels in control of mexico before they ever" blah blah blah
Wow Mexico (the State) sounds pretty suicidal/homicdal there. They would rather let their people die in agony from cancer and disease from radioactive waste than let their indigenous people alone in peace?
Sounds like every other hegemonic State in the world. Good for them. They just might catch up to the imperialist first world nations.
Tink do you have a computer or a telephone or a chair to sit in. It was done by visionries lovely people who risked and ceated jobs by building factories and people there can do the same without these 'fruit cakes" trying to hide behind their machine guns and mask. Your being indoctorinated by a bunch of nutty proffessors at your community college. You need to learn the true American love and bravery despite our few short commings. Look at the world we have created. I love you should two
I don't want these created jobs. Who wants to work in a factory? Do u?
Yes I have all these "benefits" of modern civilization that are poisoning the world with toxins that cause cancer. The same luxuries that are made through the stripping of natural resources of third world countries making them poor
Steve, don't worry about my "indoctrination." Stop being condescending I'm not some little girl you have to take care of.
Yes lets look at the toxic, unjust, war driven world "we" have created
I want freedom. This is something I can never have BECAUSE of the world these "visionaries" have created
I don't want to see billboards I hate fluorescent lights, shopping malls, Wall Street, Walmart, politicians, nuclear waste, stupid gadgets that we really don't need taking up space in the landfill
I can't live a self-sustainable life free of all this because the land is poisoned and depleted. There's no more wildlife The knowledge of native cultures is gone because they've been killed off
by the way, if you hate stupid gadgets, unplug your computer and send it to some one in chiapas, so everyone can hear this bullshit coming from his/ her mouth. i doubt you need the computer (stupid gadget) anyways
I wouldn't need the computer& would gladly give it up if I could live a free life & not be dependent on it for work and information in modern society
I don't blame people for driving cars either. It's not the people's fault that their jobs are far away. This is the way our society is set up. I wish I could change it but I don't have a magic wand
I would prefer to live the way 99% of human beings have lived throughout all of history--hunter gatherer. But that's not possible. The earth is paved.
@tink037 I know you dont need to be taken care Im not being condescending. Yes You and I both know how I feel about Wall Mart and stupid gadgets. I mourn the loss of native cultures and the knowledge but there comes a time when you have to maintain and atribute to your own culture not by berating it every chance you get. We dont live in a toxic waste dump either, indoctornated one!
Steve, you are being condescending when you say "Your being indoctorinated by a bunch of nutty proffessors at your community college."
And who said I go to community college? My professors aren't teaching me about anarchism, indigenous struggles, anti-consumerism, or environmentalism. When I criticized capitalism to my philosophy professor the other day he told me "but don't forget about communism in your critique."
You act as if all college professors are pinko commies out to recruit. Not so.
I have seen taken classes from these nutty professors I am friends with people who see the world similar to you. I have even shown them your page and they always say how cool your page is. Im surprised they havent befriended you. Your also always doing papers you said you went to school to study that world injustice and so on subjects. I thought you went to a small college. I didnt know you went to anything like Syracuse or big $ school But why didnt you critique commies first? Hmmmmmm!!!!!!
When someone says "community college" I assume they mean a 2 year technical school. I go to a state school so its not big $ but you can get a bachelors or masters or doctorate
I know 2 professors who are leftists all my others aren't. Some don't even let on what they are. I've had many professors and I don't take everything they say as gospel. I study sociology not just injustice
Why don't you critique capitalists first? The idea of Communism (big C) only came about in response to capitalism
and Steve, I could go into detail about our toxic waste dump of a planet. I'm just not sure it pertains to this video and isn't as relevant to this discussion (although I could make the case). Maybe another time.
So now we are all reliant on a system that the ruling class benefits from and the first world benefit from but only in the short term. In the long term, we are hurting ourselves. And we are hurting the poor right now as well.
These "fruit cakes" know more about how to live and work and enjoy life than we do. But now they are being forced out of their CHOSEN way of life. So they're fighting back. What's wrong with that?
@tink037 if they are posibly going to shoot a soldier it is fair to assume they may or can be a threat Be a proud American we cant change the past but we can control the future Hoding a gun while soldeirs policing an area is a threat
Steve, the Zapatistas are being forced off their land. How can I be a "proud American" if I don't stand up for thier rights? How is this fair? This is happening is because of NAFTA. So the USA had a part in it.
you are an american, you have no idea what these EZLN have done, and what they are willing to do. you are just a stupid american who likes to judge books by their cover.
Yeah I'm stupid because of my social location and nation of origin. Great argument.
By the way, if I was one of the people that did "judge books by thier cover," I'd be inclined to think the same things the media are telling me and mainstream society tells me: these people are bad becuase they're bad for the government and bad for capitalist interests. But I actaully looked into the situation instead of judging.
what does a fee trade agreement have to do with anything? OH your bullshit media said that the nafta would kill many people to make a high way? pretty fucking stupid thing to bring up, because no body is affected by nafta. but of course, you are an american so you canot comprehend
Like I said before I don't listen to mainstream America media. They are swayed by the State and corporate interests. No real journalism there.
NAFTA: enforced January 1, 1994. Guess what else happened on that day?
Mexican government wants to remove the Zapatistas off their land so they can sell it to international companies who, in turn, want to exploit the resources of the land.
In other words, it has everything to do with NAFTA.
you are actually the one sounding like the typical American capitalist, statist, right wing nut, tea bagger who follows the propaganda of the ruling class. It shows. You love your masters and defend them at every turn. Whatever they say is golden gospel.
but its a fact that you have much more common ground with the Zapatistas than you do with all these fascist politicians and CEO clowns you protect. I just have one question: what have they done for you?
the fact that i have a job, that pays me, ? do i get payed for going around throwing riots over shit i dont know about? you do no know what the "zapatistas' have done, you do not know what the are willing to do, you are an american, and ceo clowns,? where did that come from? how far up your ass did you reach for that comment?
So you kiss the ass of CEOs and other elitists because they enslave you in exchange for paper money so you can buy things supplied by them?
youre happy to be dependent on this arrangement? Without them you'd be free. But some people feel freedom is scary or insecure and so beg at the feet of their oppressors.
And you assume I'm American based on what? My hatred for the US? My disdain for its policies? I can see from reading your comments you like the word "americunt." Nationalist sexist pig.
what teh fuck are you talking about? if i didnt work, i would not have money, if i would have money, i coudlnt get food, if i cant get food or pay for other basic needs, i canot survive. you either live in some forest or in a desert in amerifuck or you live off of your parents. and the CEO of the small buisness i work with is my brother, so i dont see how i am being enslaved. if i where ensalved i would not have the option of quiting, i always have that option, stupid american
I mean that if industrial capitalism didn't exist and this system wasn't in place human beings would still be free like they were before modern civilization.
You don't have the option to quit since you need to look for another job. You can't ever quick working at a job. I work but not in a "job." I support myself and my friends in other ways like growing our own food, medicine and harvesting water systems. I'm not tied down by a job. I don't need money The government needs my money for taxes.
if everybody who works for big companys are slaves, why do they get payed and have the right to quit whenever they want? you grow your own food? do you grow your own internet aswell?
You cannot quit whenever you want. If you do you will have to get another job. Do you think people would choose to work in an office or factory because that's how they love to spend their lives?
Yeah we grow a lot of our own food. We're working on getting more people in our community so we can become more self-sustainable and not rely on jobs we hate. Its going to take a while and a lot more work but its what we love to do.
you hatw working because evil componies are sucking your blood or some shit and forcing you to be a slave, like i have said last time, with slavery, you do not get choice, you do not get paid, you do not get to rest until you are let to be rest. yet, i am payed, i have the right to go home if i do not want to be at work, and i am able to quit. comparing a job to slavery is ignorant on your part
It IS slavery because you MUST get a job in this society or you will starve.
It IS slavery because we don't have a choice to get a job or to not get a job. It doesn't matter if you can quit one job, you MUST get another one.
It IS slavery because we are forced to work for companies who don't care wether or not people are paid enough to feed their children. They also don't care that they are destroying life with oil production, clearcutting forests, poisoning rivers, displacing people etc.
dont start with that bullshit, the only country doing any of that is your pathetic homeland of amerikkka. i have yet too see a black helicopter and thousands of ufo's fly over my house and saying to me to go to work or i will be put in a americunt concentration camp, you have a lot of imagination. besides, you live off of your parents, why are you worried about a job?
Yes amerikkka is based on slavery and it has spread through the world.
So you don't have to get a job to get money necessary to buy food and shelter etc in this society? I thought that you said that's why we should be thankful to corporations for providing things for us?
Who said concentration camp?
Who said ufo?
Who said I live with my DEAD parents?
All you do is personally attack.
You obviously don't have the reading comprehension of a 9 year old. A very confused 9 year old.
slavery is SLAVERY. there is no modern illuminati conspiracy hidden way, quit saying their is. i can quit whenever i feel it necesary, you dont even work, you say you dont work, and that you grow your stuff with your friends, do you grow your electronics as well? do you get your internet from the wind god? i honestly belive you still live with your parents, you and your friends are both conspiracy theorists claiming the governments of the world and companys are evil and . stupid americans
@fightfascistpigs that is odd, i thought you gre everything you owned, your clothe electronics, your food, why do you work if you grow everything and work is slavery? work is not slavery, everyone needs to work, you cant expect to grow everything from the ground, like you do. you are not a revolutionary marxist for not wanting to work, you are lazy, and pathetic. i hope you dont use socialism in any of you arguments, you make it look bad. fuck your country, i hope 9/11 happens again.
to continue what I was saying wage slavery is different than plain slavery. Its more hidden but that doesn't mean we all don't have masters. Without our labor, wealth accumulation just wouldn't happen. There wouldn't be such huge disparities in wealth. There wouldn't be rich and poor only community.
Helping the family business is different than working for a multinational corporation. Profits are made off the backs of workers because they produce more than what they're paid in wages.
@tink037 if theyre not prepared to surrender the weopon. You dont think the soldeirs are just going to roll on past a possible enemy combattant. Quit making excuses for the enemy If they are a threat they gotta go
Tink the visionaries of these societies are trying to have free market enterprise to expand and share their own talents Our government sends these corporate execs to share their talent so these poor people can tradeand, these thugs are ruining it for everyone. There doctorine is to lie cheat and steal using terms like liberation anti oppresion equality. Thheir proven to be murderers and liars like CHE. Their equality is everyone is poor and dirty.Your being decieved STOP IT & Still ILU2D
Anarcho Communist revolutionaries, show your solidarity!
We're fucking sick of the hierarchical structures of the exploitative, capitalistic and oppressive system that shits out corporate politicians who use propaganda to convince the mass society that they are free..
Too right. Regardless of our nationality, we need to show solidarity with the EZLN, by adhering to the Sixth Declaration.
Incidentally I'm making a 'zine to highlight the important information for those who don't speak Spanish, and are wary of long, poorly translated blocks of text. (No offence to the translator intended).
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LONG LIVE ZAPATISTA!!!!!
LONG LIVE COMANDANTE CHE GUEVARA !!!!
LONG LIVE COMANDANTE MARCOS!!
LONG LIVE COMANDANTE ABDULLAH ÖCALAN !!
LONG LIVE KURDISTAN !!!
PEACE AND FREEDOM FOR ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD!!!
sirincane 6 months ago
Long live EZLN!
mrdubcrazy 11 months ago
viva los zapatistas saludos desde croatia . nuestra palabra es nuestra arma !!!!
Sarmaisterz 1 year ago
@Sarmaisterz viva zapata viva ezln
1970Vaios 1 month ago
Escuchen yo soy punk, ustedes marchan y hacen rolas, pero a diferencia de ustedes yo hago un trabajo que si rendira frutos, estoy estudiando derecho y me metere al ejercito, porque? para hacer un verdadero cambio, entren a la politica, entren a la policia o al ejercito, hagan el cambio. UNA LEY CAMBIA MEJOR AL MUNDO QUE UNA ROLA
TheQfe 1 year ago
viva la autonomia
punkermanie 1 year ago
como se llama la cancion compañeros
??
thecasualtiesoioi 1 year ago
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FitoDauber 1 year ago
what the name of the song?? como se llama la cancion????
jesselakerr 1 year ago
whats the name of the song??
jesselakerr 1 year ago
(A) and (E)!!!!!!!!!!!
jesselakerr 1 year ago
yep i only can say too
SOLIDARITY from Germany! (A) nice song
royberer 1 year ago 3
ADLENATE LOS 500 anos y la rebeldia!
Amantillad0 2 years ago
whats this song and whos the band?
berdoDRUNK 2 years ago
anarquia es conciencia no a a la mili
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fuck EZNL
they will never defeat the mexican military, and the people of mexico. they want everybody to live in shacks like them.
EJERCITO MEXICANO, Siempre leal!
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
They "want everyone to live in shacks like them"?!
What they want is to be left alone. What they want is what is rightfully thiers. Fuck you. They are forcing NO ONE to do anything. The state and the military are forcing THEM to live a certain way. Are they holding guns to YOUR head forcing you to build a shack and live in it?
It's pretty simple to see who is wrong and who is right here. You are brainwashed.
tink037 2 years ago 7
right, they attack 8 towns in chiapas, they tell the citizens of those towns that they are claiming their land, but its okay? do you also support the taliban? these guys also attacked oil pipelines in mexico, which was a terrorist atatck in mexico, do you support terrorists then? you live in USA, and you say i am brainwahed? please. i am with the mexican military 100%. they are to protect the stability of mexico, while the US military is there to attack small nations and take their resources.
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
I agree that the US military is imperialist. I never said otherwise. I am a big critic of the US. Just because I live here doesn't mean I believe the lies of the politicians, corporations or the media.
Indigenous people have had thier land stolen from them. Just like here with the Native Americans/American Indians.
They "attacked" oil piplines and this makes them terrorists? Who did they murder? Their protests have been largely nonviolent.
I don't support the killing of innocent people.
tink037 2 years ago 2
if their protests where non violent, why do they feel the need to try to provoke mexican soldiers ? why did they carry weapons in chiapas in 1994 if they where going to perform a "peaceful protest"?
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
Holding a gun is not a violent act. They were prepared to defend themselves and thier land if the military fired on them.
You must have heard of NAFTA right? And the role it plays in this?
tink037 2 years ago 4
@tink037 THEY. WAGED. WAR. AGAINST. MEXICO. Understand?
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
When unjust treaties between governments to make transnational corporations even wealthier, and the state is kicking YOU off your land backed by the military, you can expect that the ELZN will be there to back you. Not that you'd deserve it.
tink037 2 years ago 2
What if still to this day The Native Americans or a group of discruntled southerners "in their opinion" thought land arangements were unjustified. Would it be jusified to rutinely attack a Federal Building or farms that should be Native American property. You wouldnt like that would you. These people are no different. They use any excuse to kill and still and its just a few people in this world who believe them. Mostly decieved leftist college students and wako professors teaching this nonsense
stevemtc1 2 years ago
Steve, in my view the Native Americans had every right to this land. There were millions of them here and they had their own established complex cultures and countless tribes.
The Europeans cam in and decided that they had no right to there own land, their homes, their livelihood. Frankly, I wouldn't care if they attacked government buildings as long as they didn't kill or injure anyone. They've been done an injustice that is incomprehensible. They have watched their own holocaust.
tink037 2 years ago 9
And Steve, these visionaries in our society you speak of are disgusting. They use their power and wealth to control and destroy anything in the way of their profits. How can you look up to them?
We only have a finite set of resources and they are eating the world and its people alive. They think they are entitled to anything and everything.
And I am not being deceived by anyone. I give my support to all indigenous people fighting for their right to exist.
tink037 2 years ago 10
the mexican government would rather set all its nuclear reactors to melt down and let the cartels in control of mexico before they ever let a foreign nation take the land of mexico. you are a stupid american, i bet you also believe israel blew up the 9/11 towers.
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
I don't understand why you keep assuming things about me. I don't think Israel blew up the towers. What are you talking about?
What foreign nation is trying to take Mexican land? If you're talking about the Zapatistas I can't help but laugh since they are INDIGENOUS to the land. Meaning they have been occupying Chiapas since BEFORE Mexico became Mexico. The land is theirs, they are part of it.
I still can't understand why you'd support a State (which is a "thing") rather than human beings.
tink037 2 years ago 2
How many times can you call someone a "stupid American" without countering any of my "stupid American" arguments?
tink037 2 years ago
3 times.... and counting.....
tink037 2 years ago
all of your arguments are basically saying that mexico is in a high scheme conspiracy out to whore its lands to usa as part of some "new world order", honestly, i do belive you are a stupid fucking american, and that all i can say. because tis the truth. once you stop using conspiracys to back your arguments, i can stop calling you a stupid americunt
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
There is no "conspiracy." It's an agreement, simple and plain for the world to see. I'm getting tired of re-explaining everything. Seriously, just look up what NAFTA is about. It's not hidden or secret or an "evil" plot. It just is what it is. Its good for business, bad for people. Same old, same old.
Simply put, those with power will always seek more power. Those people with no power suffer. It's not a conspiracy that this always happens. It's just a fact of modern life.
tink037 2 years ago 3
I'm really sick of you stereotyping me. Besides the fact that we disagree, what exactly makes me stupid? Just being American?
I don't consider myself a patriot of any country. I'm a citizen of the world. I don't like American culture, I don't go to the mall, I don't watch FOX, MSNBC, CNN etc...seriously what is it that makes me the stereotypical stupid American? Americans think I'm weird because I say "people before profits" & fight 4 human rights instead of shopping constantly. So.....?
tink037 2 years ago
really? i dont know any of my relatives that still live in mexico that are being displaced and being harmed by the evil entity of "NAFTA", tell me, who was really hurt by nafta? no body. it seems like your just an american who wants to do less with mexico, i understand, americans have a superiority complex and makes you feel too good to do anything with mexico. even if it did hurt mexico, why would it matter to you? no body goes around talking about politics of usa.
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
Who is being harmed by NAFTA? THE ZAPATISTAS. Indigenous people of Mexico who are being kicked off the land because of this agreement. Like I said, its pretty simple.
Again I'm NOT some stupid blindly proud American who thinks she is better than everyone else. We human beings are all the same no matter where we live. That's why I don't consider myself a patriot of any country. I don't even belive in state borders
I'm anti-xenophobic. So again, your assumtions and stereotypes of me are wrong.
tink037 2 years ago 4
these arent indignant people they those who will kill cheat and steal in the name of liberation. They have to hold on to something because they hate working so badly it is worth it for them to die a glorious death for their illusive beleif thatswhat it boils down to WISE UP TINK No truer words have ever been spoken
stevemtc1 2 years ago
Steve. Stop. Think.
I can assure you, the Zapatistas are INDIGENOUS to the land of Chiapas. They were there before Mexico became Mexico. Now Mexico wants to force them off THEIR land. They aren't looking to take over the Mexican government. They just want to be left alone, yes to WORK and support themselves and sustain their community like they have always done.
"What it boils down to" is you are not listening just like al3xt3hl0nly.
This IS about liberation. WAKE UP. PLEASE.
tink037 2 years ago 2
really? the only people who say the people of mexico are being hurt by nafta are conspiracy theorist's like you. i have yet to see ONE person in mexico being kicked off land, in fact, last yeard in june i went to oaxaca, and i did not see the evil mexican soldier from hell beating and raping "indiginous" people . nor has any body who does not wear silly tinfoil hats seen this either.
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
Did I say the soldiers were "evil" rapists? No. I have cousins, an uncle and friends in the military. I'm not talking about individual people. I'm talking about the Mexican government. Did the soldiers come up with NAFTA? No. They are doing what they're ordered to do
Look, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm a human rights advocate. Conspiracy theorists believe in the illuminati and UFOs. I don't
The only reason you don't see people getting kicked off land is because theyre holding their ground
tink037 2 years ago
its amazing, i , that was actually born in mexico, and travel to mexico every year, have never seen the government abusing "human rights", Ever. i have heard of these " protests" on the military of mexico because of supposed human rights abuses, but an investigation into the protests determined that the protests where funded by drug cartels and narcos.
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
So you don't see it and therefore it doesn't exist? Who did the investigation of the protests?
I know we aren't going to agree on this. You believe in authority of the State over people and I believe in autonomy. You're a statist and I'm an anarchist.
I just want to understand WHY you think ANY state (doesn't have to be Mexico or the US) or corporation has the right to claim land that is already inhabited. Does might make right?
tink037 2 years ago
i am still waiting for you to prove to me that the zapatistas are being punished by the evil nazi devil worshping soldiers of mexico. the zapatistas did not loose any land, you stupid american. on january 1, 1994, mexico stopped HANDING OUT LAND. not takeing it away, you americans just become stupider everyday, "the right wing is stupid as fuck, the left wing is stupid as fuck" you keep claiming that evil nazi devil worshiping "corporations of nazi mexico" and the mexican soldiers are takeing
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
I never said "corporations of nazi mexico." Who are you quoting?
I NEVER once accused soldiers of Mexico to be nazis! In fact I don't recall saying ANYTHING about soldiers. They are just doing their job. I'm not blaming them, I never called them evil or rapists or nazis.
Some of the comments here respond to you and some are for stevemtc1. But either way I never said those things.
If we can't have discourse without wild accusations and constant assumptions then I don't think we can carry on.
tink037 2 years ago
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"the mexican government would rather set all its nuclear reactors to melt down and let the cartels in control of mexico before they ever" blah blah blah
Wow Mexico (the State) sounds pretty suicidal/homicdal there. They would rather let their people die in agony from cancer and disease from radioactive waste than let their indigenous people alone in peace?
Sounds like every other hegemonic State in the world. Good for them. They just might catch up to the imperialist first world nations.
tink037 2 years ago 4
I don't understand why someone would flag this comment as spam. Someone obviously didn't want this comment to be read.
@tink037, you're right on target.
fightfascistpigs 2 years ago
Tink do you have a computer or a telephone or a chair to sit in. It was done by visionries lovely people who risked and ceated jobs by building factories and people there can do the same without these 'fruit cakes" trying to hide behind their machine guns and mask. Your being indoctorinated by a bunch of nutty proffessors at your community college. You need to learn the true American love and bravery despite our few short commings. Look at the world we have created. I love you should two
stevemtc1 2 years ago
I don't want these created jobs. Who wants to work in a factory? Do u?
Yes I have all these "benefits" of modern civilization that are poisoning the world with toxins that cause cancer. The same luxuries that are made through the stripping of natural resources of third world countries making them poor
Steve, don't worry about my "indoctrination." Stop being condescending I'm not some little girl you have to take care of.
Yes lets look at the toxic, unjust, war driven world "we" have created
tink037 2 years ago 2
I want freedom. This is something I can never have BECAUSE of the world these "visionaries" have created
I don't want to see billboards I hate fluorescent lights, shopping malls, Wall Street, Walmart, politicians, nuclear waste, stupid gadgets that we really don't need taking up space in the landfill
I can't live a self-sustainable life free of all this because the land is poisoned and depleted. There's no more wildlife The knowledge of native cultures is gone because they've been killed off
tink037 2 years ago 2
by the way, if you hate stupid gadgets, unplug your computer and send it to some one in chiapas, so everyone can hear this bullshit coming from his/ her mouth. i doubt you need the computer (stupid gadget) anyways
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
I wouldn't need the computer& would gladly give it up if I could live a free life & not be dependent on it for work and information in modern society
I don't blame people for driving cars either. It's not the people's fault that their jobs are far away. This is the way our society is set up. I wish I could change it but I don't have a magic wand
I would prefer to live the way 99% of human beings have lived throughout all of history--hunter gatherer. But that's not possible. The earth is paved.
tink037 2 years ago 2
@tink037
I would ask you to marry me... if I believed in that statist institution rooted in sexism ;)
fightfascistpigs 2 years ago 2
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"I would ask you to marry me... if I believed in that statist institution rooted in sexism ;)"
lol Aww... :) That's probably one of the best complements I've gotten in a while. Good to "see" you here. And you rock! as always.
tink037 2 years ago 2
@tink037 I know you dont need to be taken care Im not being condescending. Yes You and I both know how I feel about Wall Mart and stupid gadgets. I mourn the loss of native cultures and the knowledge but there comes a time when you have to maintain and atribute to your own culture not by berating it every chance you get. We dont live in a toxic waste dump either, indoctornated one!
stevemtc1 2 years ago
Steve, you are being condescending when you say "Your being indoctorinated by a bunch of nutty proffessors at your community college."
And who said I go to community college? My professors aren't teaching me about anarchism, indigenous struggles, anti-consumerism, or environmentalism. When I criticized capitalism to my philosophy professor the other day he told me "but don't forget about communism in your critique."
You act as if all college professors are pinko commies out to recruit. Not so.
tink037 2 years ago
I have seen taken classes from these nutty professors I am friends with people who see the world similar to you. I have even shown them your page and they always say how cool your page is. Im surprised they havent befriended you. Your also always doing papers you said you went to school to study that world injustice and so on subjects. I thought you went to a small college. I didnt know you went to anything like Syracuse or big $ school But why didnt you critique commies first? Hmmmmmm!!!!!!
stevemtc1 2 years ago
When someone says "community college" I assume they mean a 2 year technical school. I go to a state school so its not big $ but you can get a bachelors or masters or doctorate
I know 2 professors who are leftists all my others aren't. Some don't even let on what they are. I've had many professors and I don't take everything they say as gospel. I study sociology not just injustice
Why don't you critique capitalists first? The idea of Communism (big C) only came about in response to capitalism
tink037 2 years ago
and Steve, I could go into detail about our toxic waste dump of a planet. I'm just not sure it pertains to this video and isn't as relevant to this discussion (although I could make the case). Maybe another time.
But it didn't use to be this way.
tink037 2 years ago
continued..
So now we are all reliant on a system that the ruling class benefits from and the first world benefit from but only in the short term. In the long term, we are hurting ourselves. And we are hurting the poor right now as well.
These "fruit cakes" know more about how to live and work and enjoy life than we do. But now they are being forced out of their CHOSEN way of life. So they're fighting back. What's wrong with that?
tink037 2 years ago 2
@tink037 if they are posibly going to shoot a soldier it is fair to assume they may or can be a threat Be a proud American we cant change the past but we can control the future Hoding a gun while soldeirs policing an area is a threat
stevemtc1 2 years ago
Steve, the Zapatistas are being forced off their land. How can I be a "proud American" if I don't stand up for thier rights? How is this fair? This is happening is because of NAFTA. So the USA had a part in it.
tink037 2 years ago
you are an american, you have no idea what these EZLN have done, and what they are willing to do. you are just a stupid american who likes to judge books by their cover.
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
Yeah I'm stupid because of my social location and nation of origin. Great argument.
By the way, if I was one of the people that did "judge books by thier cover," I'd be inclined to think the same things the media are telling me and mainstream society tells me: these people are bad becuase they're bad for the government and bad for capitalist interests. But I actaully looked into the situation instead of judging.
Still haven't acknowledged NAFTA by the way.
tink037 2 years ago
what does a fee trade agreement have to do with anything? OH your bullshit media said that the nafta would kill many people to make a high way? pretty fucking stupid thing to bring up, because no body is affected by nafta. but of course, you are an american so you canot comprehend
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
Like I said before I don't listen to mainstream America media. They are swayed by the State and corporate interests. No real journalism there.
NAFTA: enforced January 1, 1994. Guess what else happened on that day?
Mexican government wants to remove the Zapatistas off their land so they can sell it to international companies who, in turn, want to exploit the resources of the land.
In other words, it has everything to do with NAFTA.
tink037 2 years ago 5
@al3xt3hl90nlyl;s490udjf8dcnv
you are actually the one sounding like the typical American capitalist, statist, right wing nut, tea bagger who follows the propaganda of the ruling class. It shows. You love your masters and defend them at every turn. Whatever they say is golden gospel.
but its a fact that you have much more common ground with the Zapatistas than you do with all these fascist politicians and CEO clowns you protect. I just have one question: what have they done for you?
fightfascistpigs 2 years ago
the fact that i have a job, that pays me, ? do i get payed for going around throwing riots over shit i dont know about? you do no know what the "zapatistas' have done, you do not know what the are willing to do, you are an american, and ceo clowns,? where did that come from? how far up your ass did you reach for that comment?
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
So you kiss the ass of CEOs and other elitists because they enslave you in exchange for paper money so you can buy things supplied by them?
youre happy to be dependent on this arrangement? Without them you'd be free. But some people feel freedom is scary or insecure and so beg at the feet of their oppressors.
And you assume I'm American based on what? My hatred for the US? My disdain for its policies? I can see from reading your comments you like the word "americunt." Nationalist sexist pig.
fightfascistpigs 2 years ago
what teh fuck are you talking about? if i didnt work, i would not have money, if i would have money, i coudlnt get food, if i cant get food or pay for other basic needs, i canot survive. you either live in some forest or in a desert in amerifuck or you live off of your parents. and the CEO of the small buisness i work with is my brother, so i dont see how i am being enslaved. if i where ensalved i would not have the option of quiting, i always have that option, stupid american
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
I mean that if industrial capitalism didn't exist and this system wasn't in place human beings would still be free like they were before modern civilization.
You don't have the option to quit since you need to look for another job. You can't ever quick working at a job. I work but not in a "job." I support myself and my friends in other ways like growing our own food, medicine and harvesting water systems. I'm not tied down by a job. I don't need money The government needs my money for taxes.
fightfascistpigs 2 years ago
if everybody who works for big companys are slaves, why do they get payed and have the right to quit whenever they want? you grow your own food? do you grow your own internet aswell?
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
You cannot quit whenever you want. If you do you will have to get another job. Do you think people would choose to work in an office or factory because that's how they love to spend their lives?
Yeah we grow a lot of our own food. We're working on getting more people in our community so we can become more self-sustainable and not rely on jobs we hate. Its going to take a while and a lot more work but its what we love to do.
Yea I have the internet we share a computer.
fightfascistpigs 2 years ago
you hatw working because evil componies are sucking your blood or some shit and forcing you to be a slave, like i have said last time, with slavery, you do not get choice, you do not get paid, you do not get to rest until you are let to be rest. yet, i am payed, i have the right to go home if i do not want to be at work, and i am able to quit. comparing a job to slavery is ignorant on your part
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
It IS slavery because you MUST get a job in this society or you will starve.
It IS slavery because we don't have a choice to get a job or to not get a job. It doesn't matter if you can quit one job, you MUST get another one.
It IS slavery because we are forced to work for companies who don't care wether or not people are paid enough to feed their children. They also don't care that they are destroying life with oil production, clearcutting forests, poisoning rivers, displacing people etc.
fightfascistpigs 2 years ago
dont start with that bullshit, the only country doing any of that is your pathetic homeland of amerikkka. i have yet too see a black helicopter and thousands of ufo's fly over my house and saying to me to go to work or i will be put in a americunt concentration camp, you have a lot of imagination. besides, you live off of your parents, why are you worried about a job?
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
Yes amerikkka is based on slavery and it has spread through the world.
So you don't have to get a job to get money necessary to buy food and shelter etc in this society? I thought that you said that's why we should be thankful to corporations for providing things for us?
Who said concentration camp?
Who said ufo?
Who said I live with my DEAD parents?
All you do is personally attack.
You obviously don't have the reading comprehension of a 9 year old. A very confused 9 year old.
Good luck
fightfascistpigs 2 years ago
slavery is SLAVERY. there is no modern illuminati conspiracy hidden way, quit saying their is. i can quit whenever i feel it necesary, you dont even work, you say you dont work, and that you grow your stuff with your friends, do you grow your electronics as well? do you get your internet from the wind god? i honestly belive you still live with your parents, you and your friends are both conspiracy theorists claiming the governments of the world and companys are evil and . stupid americans
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
Wow. Who would've thought I'd have to repeat myself to you?
I don't believe in the illuminati or ufos
If you must push the issue my father died when I was 5 in a work related accident and my mom died of breast cancer a few years ago. Asshole.
Again we share a computer bought by someone here who has a steady job. And I WORK. I just don't have a steady "job"
Try expanding your vocabulary to include more than "stupid americans."
Fuck America and fuck ignorant statist pigs like you.
Good luck
fightfascistpigs 2 years ago
@fightfascistpigs that is odd, i thought you gre everything you owned, your clothe electronics, your food, why do you work if you grow everything and work is slavery? work is not slavery, everyone needs to work, you cant expect to grow everything from the ground, like you do. you are not a revolutionary marxist for not wanting to work, you are lazy, and pathetic. i hope you dont use socialism in any of you arguments, you make it look bad. fuck your country, i hope 9/11 happens again.
al3xt3hl0nly 2 years ago
We'll try this ONE more time.
WE (21 of us) grow FOOD in our community. WE own ONE computer. We don't buy electricity, we create power. WE ALL WORK.
WORK doesn't always have to mean a JOB that you drive to everyday.
WE WORK HARD at supporting ourselves, growing food, educating, building, and helping each other.
I am not a marxist. I'm an anarchist. You don't know the difference
Before you respond, read this again. You always miss something
Fuck my country? Well that's one thing we agree on
fightfascistpigs 2 years ago 2
to continue what I was saying wage slavery is different than plain slavery. Its more hidden but that doesn't mean we all don't have masters. Without our labor, wealth accumulation just wouldn't happen. There wouldn't be such huge disparities in wealth. There wouldn't be rich and poor only community.
Helping the family business is different than working for a multinational corporation. Profits are made off the backs of workers because they produce more than what they're paid in wages.
fightfascistpigs 2 years ago
@tink037 if theyre not prepared to surrender the weopon. You dont think the soldeirs are just going to roll on past a possible enemy combattant. Quit making excuses for the enemy If they are a threat they gotta go
stevemtc1 2 years ago
"Quit making excuses for the enemy If they are a threat they gotta go"
That's just the point! There aren't the enemy they are the victims of oppresion. If you are forced off your land, would you fight back?
tink037 2 years ago
Tink the visionaries of these societies are trying to have free market enterprise to expand and share their own talents Our government sends these corporate execs to share their talent so these poor people can tradeand, these thugs are ruining it for everyone. There doctorine is to lie cheat and steal using terms like liberation anti oppresion equality. Thheir proven to be murderers and liars like CHE. Their equality is everyone is poor and dirty.Your being decieved STOP IT & Still ILU2D
stevemtc1 2 years ago
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tink037 2 years ago
Respect from the Greek Anarchists.Anarchy for a better humanity!
outpka 2 years ago 4
Respect to Greek Anarchists. The best organized in Europe :)
VIVA LA REVOLUCION
apsurdian 2 years ago 4
viva zapata
viva chiapas
viva mexico
viva la revolucion!!!!!
pacobrujo1 2 years ago 2
PLEASE! what's the name of the song in the background??
skitsystem77 2 years ago
nice soundtrack ! salute from Java anarcho punx
dyahswastantika 2 years ago
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son una bola de pendejos pinche zapatista
spydrack 2 years ago
de ke revolucion hablan?
loko4ever69 3 years ago
esta muy chido el video y la secuencia de imagenes...
saludos
naibafdogaga 3 years ago
VIVA LIBERTAD Y JUSTICIA
ANONONJEWTUBE 3 years ago 5
EZLN! viva la revolution
lotorius 3 years ago 5
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Anarcho Communist revolutionaries, show your solidarity!
We're fucking sick of the hierarchical structures of the exploitative, capitalistic and oppressive system that shits out corporate politicians who use propaganda to convince the mass society that they are free..
..Free to obey
Viva liberty, viva equality!
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
KenCat1337 3 years ago 6
Too right. Regardless of our nationality, we need to show solidarity with the EZLN, by adhering to the Sixth Declaration.
Incidentally I'm making a 'zine to highlight the important information for those who don't speak Spanish, and are wary of long, poorly translated blocks of text. (No offence to the translator intended).
Ya Basta!
PhylNotCharles 3 years ago 3
Sorry mi friend I put another Button
luischezapata 2 years ago
he remids me of banksy
GangstaThug15 3 years ago 2
mas de 500 anos de resistencia.
i know enough for that to mean something.
mikezephyr 3 years ago
hey, what's the name of this band?
GremlinMayer 3 years ago
hiya gremlin
hoped you enjoyed the vid
band name is
fallas del sistema
peace out
jose
planetjose 3 years ago
hey man, thanks alot!
this is really great!
if only the rest of the world new about the things goin on, maybe stuff wouldn't be as bad as it is!
peace out
amelia
GremlinMayer 3 years ago
If the Italians had 0.001% of our dignity, Italy would be free from a Mafioso and Faschist like me.
SiIvioBerIusconi 3 years ago
of "your" dignity......
blostier 3 years ago
Nice ! Vive Zapata !
drecksnazi 3 years ago 3
This is superb!
Great imagery.
PoliticalAnalysis 3 years ago
well edited !
BARYE 3 years ago