The LDS Mormon Church in the UK Faltering ?

[atdd22]

The real mormon membership in the UK is tiny compared to the picture the LDS tries to portray.

LDS inc spins its membership numbers to make it look palatable, I've see people comment on youtube "it can't be a lie its too big and growing" In reality its a big lie that's in decline, particularly in the UK.

Unfortunately LDS inc then spins this to use it as 'proof' that these are the latter days.

LDS inc - better at spinning than my washing machine.

[famousbum]

Any Mormon will be in very deep trouble when they die. Being a Mormon is an abomination.

[LDStothecore]

Wallace is a hypocrite. He tries to seem nice, and he, like all anti-Mormons, says we should do research. However, he cannot handle criticism. He blocks anyone that disagrees with him and he lies. Also, we keep people on the records so we can try to help them. If they remove their name then they are taken off.

[tattoodfreeek]

I made sure that once I'd made the decision to stop going that I had my name removed. The laughable thing is that the bishopric tried even harder to get my mother going back whilst they decided how to deal with my "resignation".

[1stcorinthians1vrs18]

Excellent video, Mormonism is extremely dishonest. Little kids who are much to young to actually have sudied to be able to KNOW anything factually about Mormonism, are trained to stand up and lie before their church and say :"I know this church is true, I know Joseph Smith was a true prophet, I know the current prophet is a prophet of God" etc. When any intellectual inquiry into any of these matters would show it all to be a total fraud. Mormonism has mastered the are of brainwashing.

[crewsayer]

Oh brother, every church has a bunch of members on their rolls who are not active participants, Catholics most of all. And just because somebody doesn't bother showing up a lot doesn't mean they are now opposed to the faith. I've met Mr. Price personaly when I served my mission in England, he is a creepy guy, and not at all intellectually honest. I wasn't surprised when I read back in 2004 that he had degenerated into a fanatical Mormon stalker that the courts had to reign in.

[ElderJoseph]

@crewsayer " he is a creepy guy, and not at all intellectually honest"

Guess he would make a perfect Mormon then. LDS has to be amongst one of the most dishonests faiths I've ever had the misfortune to have been duped with.

The lessons are a con and the Church and it's books outright deception. The Mormon Cult needs to realise that its deceptive prosletising campaign will not be taken lightly by the public.

Time you got your own hat and stone as well.

[crewsayer]

@ElderJoseph What makes you think that your accusations mean anything to me when I have a lifetime of experience in how false they are? I served a full time mission, that's how I met Mr. Price in the first place. I was never dishonest with anybody I taught, and I addressed their concerns and questions directly. Mr Price on the other hand, when you point out his quote is out of context and that the full quote actually contradicts his claim just switches to another line of attack.

[ElderJoseph]

@crewsayer " I was never dishonest with anybody I taught, and I addressed their concerns and questions directly"

You served two years as a missionary? You taught people about Joseph Smith Translating the Gold Plates.

How many people did you tell that he put his face in a hat and read from a garden stone where he claimed words appeared?

And you claim to be honest? Honesty has no place in Mormonism. The whole religion is grounded on dishonesty and even secrecy like the Temple oaths.

[crewsayer]

@ElderJoseph I told them that God gave him the means to translate it, which is the truth. What difference does it make how that was accomplished? Why this weird obsessing over meaningless details? It makes you sound kind of unbalanced. Bottom line is nothing I said was a lie, they prayed about it and found out from God that it was true, they didn't just blindly accept what I said.

[ElderJoseph]

@crewsayer " What makes you think that your accusations mean anything to me "

Actually I don't care anything about you. You are a cult recruit. You deserve the BS what you get in church much like JW's who are cult recruits and think their leaders speak personally with God. They are so stupid that I feel good knowing i'm not another sucker in a dumb cult.

I just wish it didn't take me many years to discover that cults pass on lies thay have been taught door to door.

[crewsayer]

@ElderJoseph "Actually I don't care anything about you." Again proving that nobody is an unchristian as an anti-Mormon.

[ElderJoseph]

@crewsayer " I taught, and I addressed their concerns and questions directly. "

Thats hard to believe. I have two years experience with LDS missionaries including tracting and they are full of innacurate bullshit for the most part. Uneducated in religion and especially their own LDS history and constantly stressed and pressured over reporting quotas to cult representative Mission President at Recruitment HQ.

I know the score so don't try bullcrap me.

[crewsayer]

@ElderJoseph Believe what you wish but it doesn't change the facts. Just as calling a personal goal you set for yourself a 'quota' doesn't make it so. You animosity clearly blinds you from really 'knowing the score' at all.

[savedbygrace1972]

@crewsayer Andrew Price is a friend of mine, he is not a creepy guy, he is a throroughly decnt chap!

[crewsayer]

@savedbygrace1972 Well, I suppose that creepy people are not creepy to each other. Certainly stalking people and texting them hundreds of times a day to harass them and all the other stuff he got in trouble with the law over is enough to prove to any reasonable mind more that he is a little bit off.

[tattoodfreeek]

@crewsayer It's laughable that LDS members seem to try and discredit anyone who tells the truth about Mormonism! Even more laughable when you see how they hang on every word from a false prophet and his false apostles. I'm glad I left, I couldn't believe in something that is so apparently based upon lies. The LDS church is nothing more than a business, charging people for forgiveness!!! You're disgusting!

[crewsayer]

@tattoodfreeek Mr. Price discredits himself. We exchanged a couple letters after I met him, I still have them (and a copy of my reply) because it is so amusing to see him duck and weave when cornered.

Oh, and I've been forgiven of plenty, all without having to pay anything for it. Stop spreading lies, it's a sin.

[ElderJoseph]

@crewsayer " Mr. Price discredits himself."

Not sure in what way but I am quite sure the LDS church is losing members as this video discusses as more and more discover it's a fraud and that they are being lied to.

Joe Smith, Brig Young and LDS leaders are just personality cult leaders who oversee a lying institution which brainwashes its youth from birth.

I remember members crying in sacrament meeting showing their allegiance to the LDS cult much like North Koreans do for their leader.

[crewsayer]

@ElderJoseph Well, if you google around a bit I'm sure you find some the news reports about his bizarre stalking and harassing of Mormons and the court orders placed against him because of it. It really isn't what people would call sane, rational behaviour.

[crewsayer]

@ElderJoseph For nearly 200 years people have been predicting our downfall and just doesn't happen, the UK has many more wards, temples, and warm bodies in the pews now than they did before, and the trend will continue. As per the parable of the sower, not ever seed lands on good ground, the harvest is still there.

[crewsayer]

@ElderJoseph What a shame that people being moved to tears by their love of God and gratitude to Christ disturbs you so much.

[tattoodfreeek]

@crewsayer Stop spreading lies?? This coming from someone whose faith is built on them? Thus every word you utter in defence of your man made faith is a lie! As for not paying for forgiveness, what do you think your tithing is allegedly for? Apart from lining the pockets of the LDS corporation!!!

Choose your words wisely, because the lies you speak are nothing but filth

[crewsayer]

@tattoodfreeek Wow, you really don't understand tithing or forgiveness at all if that is what you think.Tithing is used to fund the operation of the church, we have no paid clergy. There is no motive for personal profit. Also, what is required for forgiveness is repentance. Repentance is recognizing your sin, truly regretting it, admitting it and asking forgiveness from the offended and God, making restitution for it, and not doing it again. Nothing there about tithing.

[tattoodfreeek]

@crewsayer Tithing to fund the operation of the church, seeing as the church was worth only a couple years ago around $80 billion, with an annual income of $6 billion, so members still have to fund the church's activities?? What is one of the conditions of gaining a temple recommend? Paying tithing!

You people sicken me with your spin, your lies and your necrodunking! Heck, I find it disgusting that you've even necrodunked Hitler and the Pope! Sick people

[crewsayer]

@tattoodfreeek You numbers are nothing but guesses, but even if true, so what? What is bad about the true kingdom of God on earth being prosperous and financially independent? I am currently part of the Ward Council, and have been in times past as well, I know personally that the funds of the church are well used and are not wasted or used to fund somebody's excessive lifestyle.

[crewsayer]

@tattoodfreeek Yes, you need to be tithe payer to get a temple recommend, as well as keep the other commandments of God. Nowhere in the steps of repentance I posted however was a requirement made for paying tithing or getting a temple recommend. Except in extreme cases like adultery no church leader would even know what a person was repenting of or when they were repenting of it, it is between the sinner and God and tithing has nothing to do with it.

[crewsayer]

@tattoodfreeek I don't know if Hitler was sane and evil or insane, but if Hitler was insane and thus not accountable for his actions, do you believe God would still punish him the same as if he was sane and evil? Did Christ come to save all mankind, or just the people you approve of? Also, baptism for the dead doesn't change the fact that people are judged based on what they did in their life.

[tattoodfreeek]

@crewsayer actually, my numbers aren't guesses, they are published. A church worth that amount, that demands 10 percent of its worshippers income, then pays less that 1 percent to humanitarian causes. A prophet and apostles who are given "jobs" by church companies, thus giving them a more that comfortable income? And then claim you don't have paid clergy? Nothing but spin, and you're definitely old enough to know better

[crewsayer]

@tattoodfreeek A published guess is still a guess and while it wouldn't bother me if the church was doing that well, I seriously doubt the accuracy of the numbers you give. Most of the 'wealth' of the church is in the church buildings and land they are on, not an asset the church is able to spend, and in fact those assets require that money be spent on upkeep etc. Humanitarian aid is funded by other donations and our contribution in that area is no small thing.

[tattoodfreeek]

@crewsayer In November this year, the LDS church claimed to have 12 million active members, whilst in reality that number is some where between 2 and 4 million, 2 million are full tithe paying members, and there are currently 1 million who have had their names removed and yet are still counted as active, of which I'm guessing I'm possibly one of! The church is corrupt, unbiblical, based on lies, and people like you perpetuate the lie and sweep the bull shit under the rug!!!

[crewsayer]

@tattoodfreeek The church has never made any claim about how many members are active, there are over 13 millions members on record however. In the USA alone something like 3 or 4 million self-identify as Mormon, and the USA has less than half the members of the church. If active members are such a tiny group however, how come the church is as wealthy as you claim? Pick one story and try sticking with that.

[tattoodfreeek]

@crewsayer think you need to do your research. The church claims that it is the fastest growing church, and yet it's annual number of converts has dropped to around 2% per year! And to be honest, any self respecting individual who has stopped attending your false church would not call themselves Mormon.

[crewsayer]

@tattoodfreeek Feel free to link to the press release from the church where they claim to be the fastest growing church. I don't think it exists. With the 18-25 demographic shrinking in and outside of the church we naturally have fewer missionaries than in the past, the growth of the church is still very good however. We don't go around building more chapels and temples for the heck of it, they are being built because we need them.

[eeikman]

@crewsayer * We don't go around building more chapels and temples for the heck of it, they are being built because we need them. * It was Hinkley's proclamation to have 100 temples built by the year 2000 that drove much of the temple construction. How many temples does the Provo area have now? Two? Three? Yet the burned out Provo tabernacle will be yet another temple.

[eeikman]

@crewsayer Former LDS temple workers will tell you there isn't enough names being submitted, that the names are often recycled. Yes the LDS church does need temples. There are an number of things you must _do_ to earn entrance, so this is an excellent mechanism to control the membership. I thank God that Lubbock TX. did not have a temple when I was a member there, it would've made my life even more difficult.

[manderbos]

Thanks to the internet, Bible, Christians that keep talking, Shawn McCraney, all the evidence about Mormon history exposed online, videos on YT, ex-Mormons, the cult is hemorrhaging. Of course the cult will hide the evidence of the actual church growth, because they use numbers to somehow prove it is the true church. More and more will come out as time goes on, Praise God, the Truth will set them free.

[cuttlefisch]

The Mormon Ward in Oldham, Lancashire still seems to be quite active though. I was surprised recently though to be approached by two young Mormon women whilst waiting for a bus. I thought that Mormon women were'nt allowed to approach men without Elders present.

[Estaban333]

The LDS lie through their teeth about numbers. They claim over 5 million in the US but only 3.3 million described themselves in 2008 census and this includes other LDS 'denominations' and those who haven't been to 'church' for years. Their figures for the UK are clearly false because the amount of their tithes have to be published by law and these could not possibly be 10% of the income of 200,000 plus members even allowing for child members but are actually less than 50,000.

[MrUNIXman]

resign from the LDS Church by Email, its quicker easier and free dodgegw@ldschurch(dot)org

[savedbygrace1972]

contin.. I am in touch with a young man who is trying to get his name from the mombership roll. The Church is doing all it can to hinder this. He has repeatedly told them that LDs is a cult.

I too had terrible trouble trying to get my name off of the membersip

[savedbygrace1972]

I used to be Mormon, now I'm a Christian (according to the Bible), not the LDs Cult. Andrew is a friend of my husband and I. He is sincere and works tirelessly to reach Mormons, with the true biblical gospel.

When I was Mormon, hoards of people joined the Church but left within weeks or months. I used to go out with visiting teachers trying to get the inactive members back in.encourage

[crazy456eyes]

I used to be a Mormon in UK lol

My dad is ward clerk and he has a sheet of paper with like half a thousand members on. I don't know probably 3/4 of them on the sheet of paper

[ElderJoseph]

@crazy456eyes I used to investigate the church. Two whole years!  What a sucker I was.

[JasonEldur]

i'm not an "elder" lol

[Copachick]

Strange. We all exist in the universe hurling aimlessly through cold space anchored on a tiny blue ship where 75 percent of the people talk to an imaginary superhero. Samuel Beckett couldn’t add an ounce of absurdity to this stage. Google Doe’s Account.

[haldoi]

i paid millions to LDS - i could have built 3 churches in australia - why has money gone - for the missionaries to drive around

[Portubed]

Sadly they speak of Catholics here as a cult or a different religion that needs to receive the Gospel?

How wildly mistaken that is, since the truth is that they would have to know the Catholic Church to really know the depth of the Gospel instead of the apparently "evangelical" diluted religion.

[savedbygrace1972]

@Portubed The Pope is the anti Christ. Cartholicism is paganism

[Portubed]

@savedbygrace1972 I'm sorry, you're babbling from the historic anti-Catholic ignorance and prejudice typical of both LDS and "born-again" Protestants. Read history, it's good for ya. May God bless you and keep you.

[wachnathan]

@savedbygrace1972 How the hell do you know the pope is anti christ? Sure he isn't christian he has different ethics then maybe you do but that doesn't make him anti christ thats very stupid for a theist to call another theist anti christ when you both believe in a hell for those actions it makes no sense.

[poorgatsby]

wow! i would love to agree with you, i really would but what you have just written made absolutely no sense and cannot be accredited within my thought process. never the less i still enjoyed your unruly verbose and tangent.

[poorgatsby]

Andrew Price is one of my favorite schitzos to listen to. It is too bad that he has been diagnosed and asked to no longer speak publicly. I'm pretty sure that his next claim would have been that the sky is falling.

[ElderJoseph]

@poorgatsby

The LDS church is faltering and there are plenty of 'schitzos' joining and being asked to speak in the LDS church. They are one of the only few kind of people the missionaries are able to drag into the church on their lousy missions.

Schitzos don't worry about, Hat and rock peep stone seering scams or forcing girls into polygamous abuse with Old cult leaders via threats of Hell etc. They make ideal for converts.

[hernhillrebel]

@poorgatsby Mr. Price was ordered by the judge not to go within a certain distance (a 100 yards or something) of any mormon building and also not to contact mormon missionaries in The U.K. He was arrested at the Protest against the Preston Chapel back in 1998. I sort of admire his boldness but his antics will just strengthen the persecution complex of Mormons.

[hernhillrebel]

@poorgatsby He was ordered by the Judge not to go within a certain distance of any mormon building and not to contact mormon missionaries in The U.K. He was arrested at the 1998 protest at the Preston Chapel. I think his antics generally enforce mormon's persecution complexes. I admire him for his boldness though.

[THELDSLIFE]

Before it is all over, the gentiles as a whole will reject the restored gospel. All missionaries will withdraw from Europe and will be placed in more faithful areas and also be prepared to preach the gospel to the Jews in Israel because in the second coming of Jesus Christ, the Jews will be the primary recipients of the restored church through Christ. Christ will return to the Mount of Olives and Israel, as a nation, will become converted.

The signs of the times have begun to show themselves.

[mhatlie]

I don't get this stuff. First, there is the claim that they believe all manner of absurd things. But instead of exposing it as such, they are encouraged to instead believe another collection of absurd things. "Don't believe in a 19th century swindler and alien gods on a planet Kolob, but do believe in a talking snake and a 1st century zombie."

[justwannamakeluv]

LDS stands for living dead spiritually

[brian8793]

Haha, check out 2:24.LOL

That looks like a sign from God. You people are really brave attacking Christ's Church.

Good luck with that.......

[THELDSLIFE]

@brian8793

Acts 5: 39 39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

[brian8793]

The idea that Joseph Smith would blasheme God till the day he died(murdered), by making up The Book of Mormon is ludacris, IMO.

I've read his diaries, and he most certainly was a believer in Christ and God.

[ElderJoseph]

Smith was murdered because he was screwing around with women and lying about it.

he was murdered because he gave a death oath as a Mason never to reveal the Masonic Initiation Ceremony and two months later he used it for his own endowment ceremonial claim.

He died like any other criminal is at risk of who lies and cheats and sleeps with other mens wives.

[cagray05]

@brian8793 Except he believed God was really an exalted man that had to learn to be God. That does not sound like the Holy being that has been God from everlasting to everlasting. God testifies in the Bible that there are no other gods. Jos. Smith disagreed with God.

[TheLdsgal1]

Feel free to try and educate me further but I will be very surprised if you can actually convince me that what Joseph Smith has done is not from God at all!

I know that the church of Jesus Christ is the true church and that Joseph Smith was the Prophet who restored the gospel on the earth as it is today

[SisterSkeeba]

So is this from God?

1 Joseph Smith asking for other mens wives.

2 Joseph Smith marrying other mens wives.He even maried Apostle Orson Hydes wife while Orson was away on a mission.

3 Joseph Smith at age 38 teaching 14 year old girls that they must marry him for their own eternal benefit.

4 Joseph Smith lying to his church members all his life and denying he had anything to do with polygamy.

[brian8793]

What page in Doctrine in Covenants or Church History does it mention those silly lies you just spewed?

[SisterSkeeba]

Are you saying Doctrine and Covenants and church history has LIES in it?

[brian8793]

No lies whatsoever. BTW, your homepage is shady....LOL

Obsess much?

[SisterSkeeba]

brian8793 You obviousley have alot to learn about your stupid cult.

Did you not even know about those things?

No one bothered to tell you?

hahahah

[brian8793]

Well, your a stupid poopie face, and your breath stinks like shark manure. So what now?LOL

Doodie head.....

[SisterSkeeba]

Thank you for showing us all exactly how STUPID and JUVENILE MORmONS really are.

Do some research and use some brain cells if you have any.

Check in Journal Of Discourses and Official Church History. I'm sure you are quite capable of googling for the facts.

google wivesofjosephsmith

it will give you a great start.

[brian8793]

Joseph was commanded of God to have different wives. It was necassary for the establishment of Christ's Church.

Guess what? IT WORKED!

[ElderJoseph]

How did this tripe work? Its ridiculous. What possible cause did it serve as it only contributed to antagonsim of the church and his early death in Carthage jail.

Then the next twerp came along called Brigham Young and he threatened girls with HELL.

Who would command such nonsense? Are you blaming someone else for all this nonsense?

[brian8793]

There is Polygamy in The Old Testament. God allowed it back than, so I'm sure he would have allowed it in 1830. It was necassary in the old days to establish The Church, and that is exactly what Joseph and Brigham did in Western America.

God doesn't change.If he allowed it before,one must think he would allow it in the present or future.

When I say that it worked,I mean that The Church is growing,and bringing forth souls unto Christ like no other Organization on the planet

It's GLORIOUS

[ElderJoseph]

What exactly do you mean allowed?

Joseph Smith said he was FORCED into polygamy or be KILLED by an ANGEL with a FLAMING DRAWN SWORD.

Why was SMITH asking a married woman to marry him, he told her his life was threatened this way and she afterwards gave in and married SMITH despite already being married to her first husband. Her name is Zina Huntington.

Exactly where is it in the Old testament that its OK to marry OTHER mens wives?

[brian8793]

If he said it, than it's true. What part of PROPHET OF GOD don't you understand?LOL

And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; 8: And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things" (2 Sam. 12).

[ElderJoseph]

Those were handed down as ill gotten 'possesions' of Saul. Saul DISOBEYED, declined and lost everything. Its a lesson on how not to behave. Daivid also faltered.

These men are not examples for us to follow.

1 Timothy 3:2

'A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of ONE wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;.'

[ElderJoseph]

Joseph Smith polygamously married 10 or 11 other mens wives.

Where exactly is this in the old testament?

Smith maried ORSON HYDES wife Miranda while Orson was away on a mission?

Why? Where is this 'wife swapping' in the old testament?

PS The church growth is not happening anymore and it will likely start sinking now that we can easily find out the truth about its origins.

[brian8793]

Huh? The Church is dwindling? I think NOT. Just wait until China tears down the red curtain, and allows The Lord's Church to serve the people. You will see the most amazing change in the world that has ever taken place since God created it.

Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; (Matthew 5:17-18)

[ElderJoseph]

You haven;t addressed

1Joseph Smith marrying other mens wives.

2 LDS enforcing polygamy through threats of death supposedly from God.

3 If Christ had not abolished the Law, then why don't you stone people for working on the sabbath etc. Your biblical quotes are menaningless and juvenile.

[ElderJoseph]

Why are you waiting for China?

Whats happened to the USA, Europe etc?

You won't dupe any more Chinese than will The Watchtower Society, or AMWAY .

and McDONALDS will have a far greater impact.

The iron Curtain fell decades ago and where is the impac there?

The Red curtain will be no different. In fact they will be prepared with the Internet.

[brian8793]

Europe is a "wordly" Continent. The Great and Abominable Church has a strong grip on the inhabitants of that place, but I will never lose hope:)

[ElderJoseph]

What a rubbish excuse. Europe doesn't have time for LDS deception and lies. A silly stupid cult just like Jehovahs Witnesses.

Both are struggling in Europe because Information and facts get around quickly and efficiently via the Internet especially.

Organisations built upon liars and deceivers won't prevail longer term no matter how many abominable and deceptive PR stunts they try.

[brian8793]

You know The Church is fail proof. It's perfect.

Europeans don't have time? Maybe they should forget about "global warming."

Yeah, they don't have time to pro-create either. By 2040, the majority of Europe will be Muslim. Than you'll see what a Religion can do when it's TRULY OPRESSIVE.....

There's gotta be soemone else besides our Church to attack.LOL

[ElderJoseph]

I've seen religion when its truly oppressive by reading LDS history in the Journal Of Discourses, and its not a laughing matter.

Do you really think you have valid points? Am I supposed to let the LDS church run unchallenged because Muslims are gaining Political Power?

So let the JW's have a free reign then, at least I never found any violent opression in their histroy among all the lies and deception and Blunders.

They just SHUN and use psychological manipulation as does the LDS.

[brian8793]

Well, if I saw Mormons rioting in the streets like Muslims in Europe, than I might think there was a big problem with our Church. If authority in our Church spewed hate filled speeches against "infidels" and "sinners," than I might have a problem.

We don't.

What is The Church doing to harm people? How are they harming you? You can't just ignore them? You can't put up a no solicitor sign on your door?LOL

Come on man, your attacks on The Church are FUTILE. You've gotta see that......

[ElderJoseph]

I agree the LDS leaders do not spew hate filled speeches in public.

However they manage to indoctrinate the average member into beleiving that anyone who leaves the church has somehow been taken in by satan and this will result in a family split in the eternities.

The net effect of this in many cases is for HATE to be manifest from fellow family members who mistakenly are conditioned to believe the nonsense and resort to shunning.

I know from personal experience.

[ElderJoseph]

I have heard many Hate filled comments in my time in the LDS church, Attacks on Catholicism as somehow being blamed from these converts prior filthy drunken abusive lives ( of which the Catholic church should not be blamed as it teaches similar to LDS).

I've heard a few sacrament talks where HATE is manifest fro anyone who happened to leave the LDS church.

In fact Our Sunday School teacher once said that "Inactives WILL BE SORTED" when Christ returns and said it in threatening manner.

[brian8793]

Your Sunday School teacher was right.

'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. (Mark 12:28-30)

As far as all this "hate" your talking about, I don't see it. Jesus isn't down with hate.

You know, Jesus, the C.E.O. of our Church:)

[THELDSLIFE]

@brian8793

With Thomas S Monson as C.O.O. only.

[ElderJoseph]

''You know, Jesus, the C.E.O. of our Church:) ''

Yes he will be running the new $3 billion LDS shopping Mall.

[brian8793]

@ElderJoseph I'm sure he's not interested in shopping malls, but seeing what he's done with The Church, I'm sure he would be successful.

Peace Man...

[THELDSLIFE]

@SisterSkeeba

The wives of Joseph Smith have always been well known to me and never mis-understood.

I didn't learn about Joseph Smith via the commentary of secular opponents to the church (Ex-Mormon apostates or enemies from other faiths.) I've got all my information online just like everyone else and I prayed to understand all of it. Using some sights like "FAIRLDSdotORG" helped me gather information as well and I researched beyond that to make sure their facts were straight.

[ElderJoseph]

"FAIRLDSdotORG" is not an official church site.

They expressly claim that they DO NOT SPEAK FOR THE CHURCH.

[theminimumdog]

So..lets get this straight. Any Salt Lake LDS mormon prophet or GA speaks and its my brains closed, right? You have your mormon spiel down well enough. Sad fact is, it has no basis in truth.

[TheLdsgal1]

Hey believe me I have done all the research you can possibly think about this. I can understand why people think the way they do especially when there is so much anti mormon stuff written (i used to have a problem with this) HOWEVER if you really study all of this and what was happening at the time...what actually happend makes sence

[SisterSkeeba]

So it makes snese to teach us that Smith 'translated' with a biblical Urim and Thummim and then the eye witness records ( David Whitmer , Emma Smith)show that Smith actually used a garden rock in a hat and claimed the text for the Book of Mormon appeared inside the hat on the rock?

What happened to reading and translating Gold Plates? They were not in the hat were they?

[TheLdsgal1]

Your comments still lack actually foundations. None of what you say is actually truth...yes things were practiced but take time to actually think why these things happened and then you will realise that Joseph Smith is a prophet who restored the true gospel.

Most of what you say has to do with the Fundamentalist Mormons

We have choices and I will end it here and just chose to respect your opinion but i feel sorry that you have been blinded from seeing the truth

[SisterSkeeba]

TheLdsgal1 What are you claiming is with regard to Fundementalist mormons?

Joseph Smith was no more a prophet than Warren Jeffs claims to be.

Smith started the whole child bride thing when he coerced 14 year old Helen Marr Kimball to marry him and he was 38 years old at the time.

Why don't you do some research and find out for yourself if you are really sincere enough.

Fundamentalist Mormons follow Joseph Smith's revelations. The Utah Sect prefer to Hide Smiths Polygamy.

[SisterSkeeba]

TheLdsgal1 If you believe what Joseph Smith did was of God, then you need to explain why he was asking for other mens wives as EJ has already said and also why was Joseph Smith marrying other mens wives?

To avoid the issue is not a credible response.

Joseph Smith also married Orson Hydes wyfe Miranda amongst his marriages to other mens wives.

Check for yourself.

[TheLdsgal1]

I was sorry to watch this because the only people being deceived are you lot. Everything said in this video is attacks on the church which really have no foundation, truths or real understanding.

We are being proactive in bring out the gospel. That gospel being the true restored gospel on the earth and you can forget about reaching out to me because I know the Church of Jesus Christ to be the only pure true church on this earth and that will never change

[ElderJoseph]

What exactly has joseph Smith restored?

Asking for other mens wives?

Marrying other mens wives?

Marrying 14 year olds to old men?

Marrying other women behind Emmas back?

Threatening HELL to girls into marrying old men ( Brigham Young).

What is so pure about all this?

It still goes on in the Mormon FLDS church in the US.

[TrueSaintsLDS]

All You anti-mormons beat your chests, and wallow in your own hate. Pathetic.

this video is pathetic and so are your values, judgements, and you won't be partakers of the Wedding. NONE of you!

mark my words

[ElderJoseph]

TrueSaintsLDS Account is closed just like Mormon Brains are closed.

[IExposeMormonism]

TSLDS has more reincarnations than a Mormon god.

[Glorthac]

This video brought joy to my soul. The story Mr. Price gave about his secretary leaving Mormonism for Christianity was beautiful!

[Mr1afterlife]

The LDS Church has deceived the members for many years. In the early years they governed under a tyrannical theocracy of blood atonement and enforced polygamy. It must have been dreadful for those early trusting Saints who travelled to Nauvoo only to discover the awful snare they now found themselves in. The brutal rule of LDS leaders and the fear they engendered must have been like a hell on earth for the ordinary members. Lawlessness was rampant with JS being finally killed by fellow Mormons.

[ElderJoseph]

Yes and here in the UK, potential recruits were deceived in a despicable way( and still are ).

Back then the church published a newspaper here in the UK called Millenial Star.

It contained a denial of polygamy and asserted further that the church will NEVER do such a thing.

Those poor,trusting, naive British people were duped only to be trapped by lying deceiving LDS leaders recruiting for polygamy back in Nauvoo.

See my Mormon Leaders Lying Video.

[IExposeMormonism]

All this had to make a cynic psychopath like Brigham Young laugh like hell: strip a people of its wealth and its least meager personal belongings and then make them push hand carts thru the snow. For 1500 miles

[ElderJoseph]

Amazing how Brigham Young survived the journey . Guess he had priority for water and food and transport.

What did the Saints get when they got to Salt Lake?

Threats of HELL into polygamy with the old mormon leaders.

Despicable cult leader he was.

[Rocketermusic]

Christianity for your information has been dead for a long time, came from the Reform, continuity, we believe in RESTORATION instead as the scriptures mentions

[ElderJoseph]

'we believe in RESTORATION '

You haven't restored anything, but introduced liars and deceivers to the world.

[awolLDSasap]

The Pastor, "Jason Wallace" is one of the most honorable men that I have seen.

[GiftoAll]

EJ, I see that you found Anceint Paths. Did you find "Polygamy, what love is this"?

Both sites provide the facts and prove that mormon doctrine is anti Biblical. They also show the rest of the world the fruits and some of the hidden things in mormonism.

[ElderJoseph]

Yes I have been watching 'What Love is This', Thank goodness people like Doris Hanson are addressing and challenging the polygamist sects over their cruel and misleading teachings over Polygamy being required for 'Salvation' , which they got from Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.

Like you say, the LDS church can't escape being related/aligned closely to those Polygamous Sects they would prefer to distance themselves from.

No amount of LDS Public Relations or Spin is working for them.

[calivideoguy]

Real good video on the false figures on church growth. I would like to bear my testimony!

I do not believe Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God. I do not believe Joseph Smith saw God or ever had any gold plates. I do not believe the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is not a true church.

I was a missionary for the church and left my mission with only 6 months left. I had my name removed from the records of the church.

I have renounced the priesthood, Praise Jesus!

[GiftoAll]

I also have a new testimony, filled with truth and light! As God as my witness, "I KNOW, sound familiar?", that He has given me a free gift of salvation". As a mortal, I cannot buy or work my way into salvation. It is because of His perfection, His worthiness, His blood that has covered and paid for my sin.

"At this point in the testimony, most would be weeping" but I go boldly into the liberty and freedom and the gift of grace offered to us by the Savior.

[GiftoAll]

There never has been or never will be blood oaths or blood atonement necessary for anyones salvation. There is only 1 house of God. There has never been 3 heavens but many mansions in Gods house.

[omiolo]

This man is VERY dishonest. Free FALL is the Protestant religions in the UK. It is well documented. The reasons given are because of the dishonesty of people like him. The corruption does not help either.

All well documented. Something that this man has NOTHING of.

[tezkingkong]

If every inactive mormon had their name removed from the LDS records,they would have about 3 million members.

[inarisushifiend]

That is so true. I haven't been to the mormon church for several years and have no intention to ever again yet they still count me as a member of their religion.

[TrueSaintsLDS]

Well Gee its so obvious you have been decieved by people. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the ONLY true Church!

FAIRLDSdotORG

for the true gospel of Jesus Christ

[sanjayarulz]

Deceived by people? Isn't that what your mormon missionaries do day in and day out?

[VictorLepanto]

Insist on their taking you off their roles. Maybe if their leadership had a wake call on the number of defections they have, they would introduce some meaningful changes.

[calivideoguy]

Isn't this interesting here is omiolo the spambot for LDS inc. on here talking down on the vid, the info and to one star. I fave the vid 5 stars omi.

You are a real work of art omiolo you really need some mental help.

You are also a coward that starts too much crap with people. You are pond scum omiolo.

[GiftoAll]

No, he is not dishonest. This is your mormon mind unveiled, "he's lying because I don't agree with him".

His work has been proactive and dedicated to the members of the LDS church. His work consists of telling Mormons about the gospel "the unmerited gift, the grace of God".