@NWG92 sorry, in my simply opinion Music is dead since such a long time.... This kind of "intellectual" just push Music much more inside the grave with their nonsenses... what have they have to speak about? after Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Verdi, Wagner, Puccini and so on...?
@gaemp Would you rather they just tread the same tired old ground year after year? Bach, Mozart, and the others you mentioned were interesting for their time, but music and our ideas surrounding it has progressed since then. We've come up with techniques and entire musical ideologies that simply didn't or even couldn't have existed then and we are elaborating on them. Stockhausen's Kontakte was very avant-garde at its time and while you may not enjoy it, it's undeniably innovative.
@NWG92 you are talking about "progress", "tecnique", "ideology", "avant-garde".... they have NOTHING to do with Music, but just with a modern way to give everything an unuseful intellectual side, when there is no need of it. Music is the highest expression of human soul and it is a fact that nowadays no one has anything new to add to the History of Music. In my simply opinion there is someone who tries to "use" this lack with a kind of academic "fiction", but telling nothing new...
@gaemp You're mentally challenged if you truly believe that nobody can add anything new to music. And you're also being ignorant if you write off the terms "progress" and "avant-garde" as pseudo-intellectual schlock. Sure, a lot of people use them as such, but by their very definitions they mean moving forwards and pioneering things that haven't been done before. Just because you're too musically conservative to give anything else a chance, doesn't mean it's not happening. Music isn't your thing
@NWG92 I see you are taking this matter personally... Maybe I'm conservative, but I don't think to be ignorant. I always wrote you my own opinion and I perfectly know that Music it's not mine. Probably it's better to end up here....
@gaemp Perhaps it's not your music and that is fine, but you cannot possibly say that it ISN'T music. Music is organized sound; no more, no less. Stockhausen's work fits under that description. Say it's not music at all is either ignorance or arrogance. And there's no need for either.
@NWG92, oh, not so. Things CAN be organized in ugly, harsh or repulsive ways, just like political and economic systems can be organized in violent, exploitative or unjust ways. Just because sound is organized doesn't mean it's not destructive. Science has already proven that sound can be used to destroy. And destruction is exactly what Stockhausen's harsh, ugly music accomplishes. I'm going to run an experiment with his music on plants and see if even one can survive three months.
@KhagarBalugrak Did your eyes gloss over when you looked at my comment or do you just like arguing points that nobody made? I was arguing that this is music (because it is), not whether it was beautiful or ugly. That's pure opinion. Nice try, though.
@NWG92, you're engaging in psychological projection when you say that the tonal system is "tired ground". YOU may be tired of it, but most classical musicians are not. Most classical musicians find inexhaustible enjoyment in tonal music, so the "tiredness" is nothing but your personal feelings. Just because you're tired of something doesn't make that something tiresome, in the same way that just because I dislike someone doesn't mean they are unlikable.
@NWG92, I am also astonished how proponents of atonal music like yourself pretend to revere the great composers of the past, all the while believing that the music of people like Stockhausen is superior. Stop using words like "progress", grow a pair of balls and just say what you really mean: that the music of Stockhausen is SUPERIOR to that of Bach. Just go out and say it and stop pretending to have respect for any other type of music.
@KhagarBalugrak Again, I never argued that tonal music being tiresome is fact... I personally find most it boring and formulaic in comparison to atonal pieces, but I'm not so naive as to think that I'm the arbiter of all musical taste and the only authority on the true quality of music. It's my opinion and I never claimed it was more than that. And again, it's got nothing to do with having balls, but more so with having a brain... I prefer Stockhausen, but that doesn't make him superior. Think.
@NWG92, another thing: atonal music has been proven to be harmful to living things. It's even more astonishing to be that musical "progress" has been defined by people like you to be progress toward ever more destructive forms of sounds. If you're familiar with George Orwell's book "1984", the main villain declares "Progress in our world will be progress toward more pain. Our world will become not less, but more merciless as it refines itself."
@nobodady1, the experiments of others who have duplicated Dorothy Retallack's studies on the effects of different types of music on plants. I did an experiment myself with plants when I was young, though sadly, I didn't include atonal music in the experiment. Hard rock killed the plants, but tonal classical (the Brandenburg Concertos) and classical Indian music made the plants grow much healthier than normal. Very soon, I'm going to do an experiment on plants - I'll make them listen to Webern
@KhagarBalugrak Thanks for your reply. Many of us have heard that plants respond to all sorts of interesting stimuli --- such as being spoken to, or gestured at, or having music of various types going on. What plants are "hearing" when we play music is a good question --- I would not suppose plants are too picky about which intervals they are hearing --- more likely grosser qualities such as amplitude or tempo would influence plants and account for different responses to rock vs classical..
@NWG92, so, having defined musical progress as progress toward more destructiveness (although you refuse to look at the studies which have proven this, of course), you feel proud and sophisticated.
Let me ask you this: what is the purpose of making music? Is it to create something that has a positive effect on people? Or is it to create "expended possibilities" for their own sake, even if it causes harm to living things? Clearly, the point of music is to create positive effects.
Anyone know where or when he learned English? He has virtually no accent, which is quite unusual for someone who didn't grow up speaking a particular language.
There is a very funny moment at 7:06 when somebody coughs in the public and Stocky just has to laugh because he hears that noise spectrum , just as he is explaining noise spectrums. Very serious , but capable to hear something funny at any time or occasio...my man !!!
For the non-synthesists and sound designers in the crowd here. The last two minutes of this lecture he inadvertently describes a method of combining signal analysis and synthesis, called Fourier Resynthesis.
In which, a sound is analysed, and broken up into a series of time and amplitude varying sine waves. In essence, a vectorized representation of the original sound. To play back, you would feed a massive series of sine wave oscillators and envelopes, divorcing speed and pitch simultaneously
This looks like an old episode of Star Trek where they land on a former Klingon colony now inhabited by a lone, deranged 19th century snake-oil salesman whose mind has been taken over by the reptilian twins Sinus and Cosinus. Beam me up Scotty.
I just think he gave his music the possibility to be like a godlike thing or whatever,
I think he wasnt that much open for new ideas, he just got stuck with the same thing he did in the 50s, I think if he would have been totally content with what he did he would have had probably an open mind for other things or maybe not. He had not any interest in other peoples music , but tried to convince them that only himself does the right thing, I think thats a bit ignorant
Beethoven and Stockhausen are not trying to make u comfortable.the point is to make music ad use forms & contents and to add to the vocabulary not to keep repeating harmonies,techniques and theories. Get a clue. This aint pop music anyway.If thats your background u have a lotta work to do!
An astonishing prediction of Ableton Live from a man who was so far ahead of his time that most folks only saw his back in the distance..... Check out his "Opus 1970" for more revelations
Partly he's right, but I think he took the abstraction of sound way to far, its sort of sad I think, if you are so extremely convinced by what you're doing, without noticing what aother great minds do. he's a genius maybe, but there are many that give a fuck about it ,for exam. aphex twin, SH should have been a bit more relaxed about his own work(like Aphex is) , in order to allow it , to become a bit more comfortable to people , a bit more emotional...
@iwannabeyourdog90 so you're essentially saying he should've been less himself and more like someone else? The mark of a great artist is that they go as far as they can. Why dilute?
Although I've got a comparable passion for sound design...I think I've been spoiled by Max/MSP. I can't imagine accomplishing the kind of granular time-stretching hes talking about with only analog tech. Props Stockhausen!
We are planning on using a small section from this lecture as a sample in one of our band's new songs,,,,,, We have looked for the copyright holders for this recording but cant seem to find any on the internet or whatever,,,,
Knowing stockhausen's history of not being very fond of copyright laws makes me wonder if any big label or publishing company own the rights to this recording,,,,
Much appreciated if anyone can help us out here....
@golfthewlis Thanks very much,,, I was right in the end,,, Much of the Stockhausen library is owned by The Stockhausen foundation and not by large record labels...
We have gotten in touch with the copyright owners to this recording,,, Thanks for replying back....
WoW... The "Compression" segment of the video was uncanny! What a fantastic idea. The Stock-man was unique. Now, I would love to get a taste of the lsd he was doing back then. Just a drop! Then you´ll hear Ludwng´s 9th compressed, believe me... =D
There are many people with both financial and political interests in ensuring that lectures like those by Christian composers such as Stockhausen are suppressed. Garbage made by the viacom corporation, and it's owner Murray "sumner redstone" Rothstein, is used to turn people into easily manipulated alcoholic idiots. Rothstein is the garbage bag that owns CBS, MTV, and about 75% of the garbage on cable TV.
my god! The hole posting from you all are more about me as about Stockhausen! So relax a bit, okay? Laugh and feel relaxed. Enjoy life. Enjoy sex and naked girls. Enjoy and be soft. I just have enough from media and mindcontrol. But life still is here and we all love life, right? So read David Icke if you want and learn more about mindcontrol, aliens and read the interviews from aphex twin to learn more about making music.
Very interesting talk. It must have been pretty amazing to have heard this guy speak during his time about concepts that hadn't been imagined yet. While I agree with what he tells us here, I just still can't get over the fact that his 'songs' aren't so much music as they are experimentations with sound. I can see how they may be music to some and I can certainly understand how they took much deliberation and thought, but even despite this, they lack severely in emotional motivation.
@aggrorulz shut up stupid ignorant. stockhausen never said what the stupid media published after 9/11. So, stop being a stupid parrot and grow up, moron.
In the late C20th it became fashionable to exclusively validate only new compositions
which rejected traditional musical language and aesthetics. However, many late great 20th century composers did not accept the new values. Their legacy should be validated as well as that of the followers of the late C20th art revolution. The point is equal validation for different concepts of art in modern composition education, instead of a monopoly on maths, shock novelty, ugliness and trauma.
Distinction means nothing when those who evaluate the music , namely the ones who award the composer, are taught mindless philosophy which justifies such awful and dehumanising trite
Whatever good Stockhausen may have done by getting people to re-examine the way they listen, he more than undid by validating a whole generation of talentless composition students, via disfuntional composition departments, who's staff hardly need be capable in basic musical skills such as harmony and counterpoint. His legacy is the misguided belief that synthesised rumbling sounds and unusual noises peppered all over some simplistic harmony are somehow profound or valuable musical compositions.
Most people don't have the same profound training and knowledge about tradition like you have (lol)
You should have tried to convince great performers like Rattle, Pollini, Bernstein, Kremer, Boulez, Mutter, Abbado, Gould and many others that they enjoy disfunctional simplistic music that lacks fundamental skills.
I'm surprised that you never wonder yourself who really lacks fundamental musical training.
@richtomes You have a strange theory about human evolution and the fine arts, when you think great performers like Rattle, Pollini, Bernstein, Kremer, Boulez, Mutter, Abbado, Gould and many others are unevolved.
I like listening to the compositions of Stockhausen, but he is so full of himself, i can't hardly bear it. I mean, he's got good ideas. Unlike the establishment, he was not only willingly to use synthetic sound but invent ways of making his own. But he just seems to bent on conveying his brilliance. And have you listened to 'Stockhausen and Evolution?' I mean, there are serious indications of the master race there and it's pretty obvious. I'm saying this despairingly because i like his music.
oh man i love this guy so much!!! it reminds me of my classical music composition course where we learned of that symphony (name escapes me atm) that just sat silent for about 20 minutes to illustrate that all sounds, be they the intentional sounds of instruments or the gentle hum of the air vents, were part of the musical composition that forms our daily lives. totally transformed the way I heard a stroll down the block. rip karlheinz.
@rebekahbirmingham I believe this concept come from John Cage and is rather a 4 minute and 33 second composition called 4'33''. Stockhausen, being a serialist, and thus a musical control freak (actually this isn't meant as mean as it sounds) would hardly embraced such thoughts about chance in music.
The right ideas in the wrong persona. I developed a love-hate for this composer... in humble opinion, serialism failed, although its remedies are actually valuable (there goes the love-hate again...)
I hope you one day manage to make that challenging breakthrough from ape to saint, when all will be revealed to you and you will see the error of your ways.
@richtomes They only one that needs some training is you. Probably also some toilet training, since you want equal validation of something that you compare with your own faeces with music of Stravinsky, Britten and Orff.
How little does a musician understand of Stravinsky when he wants equal validation with his own excrements.
You have strange fascinations!
The great performers of the 20th century however, understand what KS is about.
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Sounds - a better word than 'Music' for what Stockhausen created. No one can deny he was a prolific creator of sounds. Music is quite another matter however.
@richtomes You confuse the Cage concept of sound with the Stockhausen concept of music. A fundamental difference that you can hear and understand when you listen to their music.
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You confuse the joining together of sounds with the ancient and fine art of music. Get some musical training to help you distinguish between these two concepts.
@richtomes Inform yourself about the different concepts of Cage and Stockhausen and you won't make the same mistake again.
But since you think that Pollini, Rattle, Bernstein, Kremer and many others need extra musical training to have the same views on music as you have, I don't think we can take your call for 'more musical training' seriously. LOL
So when these brilliant artists understand why KS is an important composer, why can't you?
@richtomes Although I don't particularly agree with KS views on human evolution, I have to confess that after listening to your compositions, I find it hard to contradict KS views about people that aren't yet enough evolved to appreciate new music.
Maybe it is because your compositions lack all the qualities that make up traditional music: rich counterpoint, evolved harmonic processes, fascinating melodies and so on.
Your output is too easy to understand and makes it totally uninteresting
Instead of taking the easy option of theorising, and criticising, which anyone can do whether they have any ability or not why not create something of your own ?
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"When I started composing" he says! Dude, after you said: "9/11 is the greatest work of art ever", you can call yourself a composer? Or after you said: "I can feel when a virus attacks me. I have the ability to kill it and get it out through my ears!" Sick weirdo. You haven't even reached music, how dare you say you compose it!? Have you ever asked yourself why Chopin's music is rendered and yours is only commented about!? At least people know what is music and what is nonsence noise!!
And in fact, post-modernism can deconstruct only something already deconstructed. Could post-modernism deconstruct Stockhasuen? NO...so you have to raise the deads, only to "deconstruct" them. Call it an intelligent work...ahahah
Buauahuhauhahaua....postmodermism! Postmodernism-deconstructionism = ultra-conservatorism. The best way to "deconstruct" something is to destroy it completely, not to play with it like a spoilt child. So...the only real "post-modernist decostructionist" here is Mr. Stockhausen ;-) Others are only brainless boring academicians and grave-diggers.
I never thought I'd say this, however... SHUT THE FUCK UP.
It is the rhetoric of people like you that create a bad representation of people who enjoy modern music (and perhaps a bad representation of modern music in general). Your exceedingly narrow view is comparable with that of those who are completely intolerant of new music. Grow up.
@richtomes LOL I'd advice you to take your violin and put it in your kitchen blender, when you think kitchen blenders or violins automatically make interesting music ;-)
@richtomes yes, another fine contribution. Everybody that disagrees with you and knows a little bit more about contemporary music and art, plays this music brilliant, teaches contemporary music at universities or performs it in major concert halls in your eyes is probably a fool.
It is good that some people have no influence on the development on the history of music, simply because they don't know their history.
@richtomes Anybody that thinks that Kitchen Blenders or violins automatically make good music can't be held responsible for his opinions on art, music and everything else.
@richtomes For someone that calls himself a professor (LOL), you show very little intelligence when it comes to discussing the subjects you yourself have initialized
So I guess you are a professor in kitchen blenderism
@konjunktion26 I think this is very interesting, and you should be able to find much more stuff like this on TV. But don't take away the naked girls. It is not either/or, but rather both/and.
It is not ONE school of thought. When we only compare the electronic music that KS composed from the early fifties till his death (more than 5 decades), we hear completely different musical universes! And when we compare his music to those of others, it is even more different
'It is good mental health to be open-minded and sceptic at the same time! ;-) '
It is good mental health to be a good judge, to be able to trust yourself. An open mind is only a good means to an end, the closed mind, for the mind is limited. What you should have said is that it is good to have an active mind, not an open one. I am sick and tired of hacks like you who call this music mentally constructive when it is explicitly the opposite in its philosophy.
@clubsandwedge Music is music and not philosophy. An 'active' mind is indeed a better word than an 'open' mind. Active ears and an active mind will help everybody who wants to understand and enjoy contemporary music.
@annedegro Music is everything, and everything is music. Music is philosophy, work,sweat,math,anger,architecture,nature, the sound that your keyboard will make while you write a response... Music is the sound of a platoon opening fire, CPR on a drowned body, a basketball court in Boston, the car alarm that I am hearing now...
With an active mind, you can translate and extrapolate examples that seem unrelated. Then you will understand and enjoy. "Not philosophy"? Gimme a break...
@annedegro Yes? Well, go share your thoughs with Steve Reich, Luigi Nono or Helmut Lachenmann. You´ll hear music when they laugh at you! Where you raised in India? Sounds like you´re trying to imposse their caste system. No problem with that...
But music? And philosophy? You must be joking. I don´t want to start another six months discussion here. We both know a certain stupid YT user named rich"IsuckDick"tomes... You can be A, and you also can be B. Mix them both and maybe you´ll get C.
@Roswellsounds Please enlighten me about what the Indian Caste system has to do with the fact that Mozart was a composer and not a philosopher?
So you should know that the philosophers that Lachemann and Nono sometimes (!) refer to (Lukács, Merleau-Ponty, Nietzsche and Adorno) are of little to no interest to KS (maybe with the exeption of Adorno).
A clever guy - but not much of a musician. Like Cage and company.
lourak 1 week ago
ironically, his music is boring but he was a funny guy. lol
Setherian 3 weeks ago
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Setherian 3 weeks ago
Someone to be so kind of me ocontarme of speaking stockhausen,i want to know
me encantaria saber lo que dice si alguien me lo puede traducir o dar una idea de lo que dice,estaria muy agradecido,gracias saludos!
dereentis 1 month ago
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midierror 1 month ago
I genuinely love a lot of his stuff but he is in full blown pomposity here. It's a scream watching him.
BrunoMartelli 2 months ago
Ps you're full of crap
jiwilliams91 2 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak What on earth are you talking about.
jiwilliams91 2 months ago
excellent
hammercandy 2 months ago
praktisch jede musik wurde im lauf ihrer geschichte auf konsumierbarkeit und damit langeweile reduziert. seine nicht. das macht ihn einzigartig.
1533Montaigne 2 months ago
i'm a fan of his thoughts
glistenhorns 3 months ago
he sums it up the best
thefernspikes 3 months ago
i have never heard anyone go into such depth on sounds
and it has affected me deeply and with much wonder
therhinoguards 3 months ago
deep
rubberandsand 3 months ago
fabulously wonderful and this guy has made me think deeper than i ever have
theheavylens 3 months ago
i come back to this week after week
smokedyellowjackets 3 months ago
The most entertaining sound is the one made by Stockhausen sycophants as he farts into their ears.
MisterSimnock 6 months ago
Interesting document. Thanks for sharing.
tinsh0es 6 months ago
He speaks about sounds, organized sounds... but MUSIC is another matter!!!!!!!!!
gaemp 7 months ago
@gaemp No, no it isn't. It's one and the same.
NWG92 6 months ago
@NWG92 sorry, in my simply opinion Music is dead since such a long time.... This kind of "intellectual" just push Music much more inside the grave with their nonsenses... what have they have to speak about? after Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Verdi, Wagner, Puccini and so on...?
gaemp 6 months ago
@gaemp Would you rather they just tread the same tired old ground year after year? Bach, Mozart, and the others you mentioned were interesting for their time, but music and our ideas surrounding it has progressed since then. We've come up with techniques and entire musical ideologies that simply didn't or even couldn't have existed then and we are elaborating on them. Stockhausen's Kontakte was very avant-garde at its time and while you may not enjoy it, it's undeniably innovative.
NWG92 6 months ago
@NWG92 you are talking about "progress", "tecnique", "ideology", "avant-garde".... they have NOTHING to do with Music, but just with a modern way to give everything an unuseful intellectual side, when there is no need of it. Music is the highest expression of human soul and it is a fact that nowadays no one has anything new to add to the History of Music. In my simply opinion there is someone who tries to "use" this lack with a kind of academic "fiction", but telling nothing new...
gaemp 6 months ago
@gaemp You're mentally challenged if you truly believe that nobody can add anything new to music. And you're also being ignorant if you write off the terms "progress" and "avant-garde" as pseudo-intellectual schlock. Sure, a lot of people use them as such, but by their very definitions they mean moving forwards and pioneering things that haven't been done before. Just because you're too musically conservative to give anything else a chance, doesn't mean it's not happening. Music isn't your thing
NWG92 6 months ago
@NWG92 I see you are taking this matter personally... Maybe I'm conservative, but I don't think to be ignorant. I always wrote you my own opinion and I perfectly know that Music it's not mine. Probably it's better to end up here....
gaemp 6 months ago
@gaemp Perhaps it's not your music and that is fine, but you cannot possibly say that it ISN'T music. Music is organized sound; no more, no less. Stockhausen's work fits under that description. Say it's not music at all is either ignorance or arrogance. And there's no need for either.
NWG92 6 months ago 2
@NWG92, oh, not so. Things CAN be organized in ugly, harsh or repulsive ways, just like political and economic systems can be organized in violent, exploitative or unjust ways. Just because sound is organized doesn't mean it's not destructive. Science has already proven that sound can be used to destroy. And destruction is exactly what Stockhausen's harsh, ugly music accomplishes. I'm going to run an experiment with his music on plants and see if even one can survive three months.
KhagarBalugrak 6 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak Did your eyes gloss over when you looked at my comment or do you just like arguing points that nobody made? I was arguing that this is music (because it is), not whether it was beautiful or ugly. That's pure opinion. Nice try, though.
NWG92 6 months ago
@NWG92, you're engaging in psychological projection when you say that the tonal system is "tired ground". YOU may be tired of it, but most classical musicians are not. Most classical musicians find inexhaustible enjoyment in tonal music, so the "tiredness" is nothing but your personal feelings. Just because you're tired of something doesn't make that something tiresome, in the same way that just because I dislike someone doesn't mean they are unlikable.
KhagarBalugrak 6 months ago
@NWG92, I am also astonished how proponents of atonal music like yourself pretend to revere the great composers of the past, all the while believing that the music of people like Stockhausen is superior. Stop using words like "progress", grow a pair of balls and just say what you really mean: that the music of Stockhausen is SUPERIOR to that of Bach. Just go out and say it and stop pretending to have respect for any other type of music.
KhagarBalugrak 6 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak Again, I never argued that tonal music being tiresome is fact... I personally find most it boring and formulaic in comparison to atonal pieces, but I'm not so naive as to think that I'm the arbiter of all musical taste and the only authority on the true quality of music. It's my opinion and I never claimed it was more than that. And again, it's got nothing to do with having balls, but more so with having a brain... I prefer Stockhausen, but that doesn't make him superior. Think.
NWG92 6 months ago
@NWG92, another thing: atonal music has been proven to be harmful to living things. It's even more astonishing to be that musical "progress" has been defined by people like you to be progress toward ever more destructive forms of sounds. If you're familiar with George Orwell's book "1984", the main villain declares "Progress in our world will be progress toward more pain. Our world will become not less, but more merciless as it refines itself."
KhagarBalugrak 6 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak what evidence for biological harm of atonal music?
nobodady1 5 months ago
@nobodady1, the experiments of others who have duplicated Dorothy Retallack's studies on the effects of different types of music on plants. I did an experiment myself with plants when I was young, though sadly, I didn't include atonal music in the experiment. Hard rock killed the plants, but tonal classical (the Brandenburg Concertos) and classical Indian music made the plants grow much healthier than normal. Very soon, I'm going to do an experiment on plants - I'll make them listen to Webern
KhagarBalugrak 5 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak Thanks for your reply. Many of us have heard that plants respond to all sorts of interesting stimuli --- such as being spoken to, or gestured at, or having music of various types going on. What plants are "hearing" when we play music is a good question --- I would not suppose plants are too picky about which intervals they are hearing --- more likely grosser qualities such as amplitude or tempo would influence plants and account for different responses to rock vs classical..
nobodady1 5 months ago
@nobodady1, well actually, it turns out, from my own experiments and others, that there are three things that make music destructive:
1.) over-reptitiveness (a single tone played a few hours a day causes plants to die quickly)
2.) harshness of tone (hard rock kills plants), and
3.) harshness of harmony (atonal music kills plants)
So we need gentleness of the sound, a good amount of tonality, and some complexity to keep music constructive instead of destructive.
KhagarBalugrak 5 months ago
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DarkZekeX 2 months ago
@NWG92, so, having defined musical progress as progress toward more destructiveness (although you refuse to look at the studies which have proven this, of course), you feel proud and sophisticated.
Let me ask you this: what is the purpose of making music? Is it to create something that has a positive effect on people? Or is it to create "expended possibilities" for their own sake, even if it causes harm to living things? Clearly, the point of music is to create positive effects.
KhagarBalugrak 6 months ago
@NWG92, sorry for the typo. I meant to type "expanded possibilities".
KhagarBalugrak 6 months ago
Anyone know where or when he learned English? He has virtually no accent, which is quite unusual for someone who didn't grow up speaking a particular language.
Skybuddies 7 months ago
@Skybuddies His accent is slightly German all the same but he has probably been to the UK a lot as many of his words sound British.
MrShuggieTodd 6 months ago
STOCKHAUSEN ...XENAKIS... MESSIAEN... LIGETI... CAGE... AND OTHER GREATS...
ALL IN THE PANTHEON OF NEW MUSIC ! FOR THE PRESENT AND THE FUTURE OF MANKIND !
theo9952 7 months ago 12
A rare and beautiful intelligence...
xenakis9 9 months ago
How can 32 people dislike this video?? Wow.
Beatstylz 10 months ago
every step in your life is a beat, facinating speech!
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MRBORGHEAD 11 months ago
There is a very funny moment at 7:06 when somebody coughs in the public and Stocky just has to laugh because he hears that noise spectrum , just as he is explaining noise spectrums. Very serious , but capable to hear something funny at any time or occasio...my man !!!
FenderRhodesService 11 months ago 5
His speaking is music.
boobtube356 1 year ago 3
For the non-synthesists and sound designers in the crowd here. The last two minutes of this lecture he inadvertently describes a method of combining signal analysis and synthesis, called Fourier Resynthesis.
In which, a sound is analysed, and broken up into a series of time and amplitude varying sine waves. In essence, a vectorized representation of the original sound. To play back, you would feed a massive series of sine wave oscillators and envelopes, divorcing speed and pitch simultaneously
tschak909 1 year ago 2
Mr Stockhausen is quite fantastically mad! Not that theres anything wrong with that! :)
Andronicus2007 1 year ago
This looks like an old episode of Star Trek where they land on a former Klingon colony now inhabited by a lone, deranged 19th century snake-oil salesman whose mind has been taken over by the reptilian twins Sinus and Cosinus. Beam me up Scotty.
fremsley001 1 year ago
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I just think he gave his music the possibility to be like a godlike thing or whatever,
I think he wasnt that much open for new ideas, he just got stuck with the same thing he did in the 50s, I think if he would have been totally content with what he did he would have had probably an open mind for other things or maybe not. He had not any interest in other peoples music , but tried to convince them that only himself does the right thing, I think thats a bit ignorant
iwannabeyourdog90 1 year ago
@nikezooms
FUCK YOU hating piece of shit
Fuck off and leave your bullshit on comments , you are able to even understand you fuckin pussy
iwannabeyourdog90 1 year ago
genius
MokshaIS 1 year ago
What a prick!
oboistru 1 year ago
I don't like his "music" very much, but he has a lovely coat. I like that coat.
Schneider10101 1 year ago
thanks for posting
ladonnarama 1 year ago
Beethoven and Stockhausen are not trying to make u comfortable.the point is to make music ad use forms & contents and to add to the vocabulary not to keep repeating harmonies,techniques and theories. Get a clue. This aint pop music anyway.If thats your background u have a lotta work to do!
lovesGenet 1 year ago
An astonishing prediction of Ableton Live from a man who was so far ahead of his time that most folks only saw his back in the distance..... Check out his "Opus 1970" for more revelations
lfradkin 1 year ago
His English accent is very good. He doesn't sound very German at all. The man has ears.
WhiteAbenaki 1 year ago 3
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I meant "many that DONT give a fuck about it"
iwannabeyourdog90 1 year ago
Partly he's right, but I think he took the abstraction of sound way to far, its sort of sad I think, if you are so extremely convinced by what you're doing, without noticing what aother great minds do. he's a genius maybe, but there are many that give a fuck about it ,for exam. aphex twin, SH should have been a bit more relaxed about his own work(like Aphex is) , in order to allow it , to become a bit more comfortable to people , a bit more emotional...
iwannabeyourdog90 1 year ago
@iwannabeyourdog90 so you're essentially saying he should've been less himself and more like someone else? The mark of a great artist is that they go as far as they can. Why dilute?
dhype3 1 year ago
@iwannabeyourdog90 your a fucking idiot
nikezooms 1 year ago
I'm so tempted to sample this for a song. Would be the perfect intro to something
DeadWhiteButterflies 1 year ago
@DeadWhiteButterflies Do it!
bpwonderkid 1 year ago
do you know where i can get this original footage?
i have a cable access show this would be cool for.
thanks
JerstinCrosby 1 year ago 3
@JerstinCrosby check the description, there's a link to the Stockhausen's publishing company.
golfthewlis 1 year ago 3
do you know where to get the original film footage ?
i have a cable access show this would be cool for...
thanks
JerstinCrosby 1 year ago
"There we are..." -wanna hear more-
Jornev 1 year ago
Stockhausen, Es Ist Ihr Gehirn, Das Ich Suche
VinnieMerc 1 year ago
Although I've got a comparable passion for sound design...I think I've been spoiled by Max/MSP. I can't imagine accomplishing the kind of granular time-stretching hes talking about with only analog tech. Props Stockhausen!
RuneMasterJon 1 year ago
Im wondering if anyone can help me out here,,,,
We are planning on using a small section from this lecture as a sample in one of our band's new songs,,,,,, We have looked for the copyright holders for this recording but cant seem to find any on the internet or whatever,,,,
Knowing stockhausen's history of not being very fond of copyright laws makes me wonder if any big label or publishing company own the rights to this recording,,,,
Much appreciated if anyone can help us out here....
ELAVATORMUSIK 1 year ago
@ELAVATORMUSIK check out Stockhausen-verlag. There's a link in the description
golfthewlis 1 year ago
@golfthewlis Thanks very much,,, I was right in the end,,, Much of the Stockhausen library is owned by The Stockhausen foundation and not by large record labels...
We have gotten in touch with the copyright owners to this recording,,, Thanks for replying back....
ELAVATORMUSIK 1 year ago
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I had the same idea. Some of these samples are GOLD!
perkowskivonavich 1 year ago
The thoughts of Chairman Stockhausen.
fremsley001 1 year ago
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Thumbs up if you were baked watching this
Iooe99 1 year ago
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Iooe99 1 year ago
WoW... The "Compression" segment of the video was uncanny! What a fantastic idea. The Stock-man was unique. Now, I would love to get a taste of the lsd he was doing back then. Just a drop! Then you´ll hear Ludwng´s 9th compressed, believe me... =D
Roswellsounds 1 year ago
i respect what him and his modern collegues do but i don't refer to it as music...
mortalfrog0815 1 year ago
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stockhausen is fuckin asshole.
he thinks he is an artists, but hes just a damn piece of shit
assanderyeah 1 year ago
profoundly boring...
schlenzi 1 year ago
a really smart guy
xXscreamblupoxXx 1 year ago 2
There are many people with both financial and political interests in ensuring that lectures like those by Christian composers such as Stockhausen are suppressed. Garbage made by the viacom corporation, and it's owner Murray "sumner redstone" Rothstein, is used to turn people into easily manipulated alcoholic idiots. Rothstein is the garbage bag that owns CBS, MTV, and about 75% of the garbage on cable TV.
archdeaconmalli 1 year ago
What a Freak!
nimrodandhadas 1 year ago
my god! The hole posting from you all are more about me as about Stockhausen! So relax a bit, okay? Laugh and feel relaxed. Enjoy life. Enjoy sex and naked girls. Enjoy and be soft. I just have enough from media and mindcontrol. But life still is here and we all love life, right? So read David Icke if you want and learn more about mindcontrol, aliens and read the interviews from aphex twin to learn more about making music.
:-) Enjoy a hot pizza! I will - later! hehe
konjunktion26 1 year ago
Very interesting talk. It must have been pretty amazing to have heard this guy speak during his time about concepts that hadn't been imagined yet. While I agree with what he tells us here, I just still can't get over the fact that his 'songs' aren't so much music as they are experimentations with sound. I can see how they may be music to some and I can certainly understand how they took much deliberation and thought, but even despite this, they lack severely in emotional motivation.
TheRealOneEye 1 year ago 2
Thanx Satan he died.. twice!!
aggrorulz 1 year ago
@aggrorulz shut up stupid ignorant. stockhausen never said what the stupid media published after 9/11. So, stop being a stupid parrot and grow up, moron.
ODRADEK111 1 year ago 2
does anyone have the rest of this?
i need the 3rd criterion
Brooksman82 1 year ago
Bruce Willis?
nirvo25 1 year ago
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In the late C20th it became fashionable to exclusively validate only new compositions
which rejected traditional musical language and aesthetics. However, many late great 20th century composers did not accept the new values. Their legacy should be validated as well as that of the followers of the late C20th art revolution. The point is equal validation for different concepts of art in modern composition education, instead of a monopoly on maths, shock novelty, ugliness and trauma.
richtomes 1 year ago
Karlheinz Stockhausen: over 35 honors and distinctions bestowed upon him during his life.
Ignorants should only keep their mouths locked and learn something by this man.
MarcheseCadmio88 1 year ago 19
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Distinction means nothing when those who evaluate the music , namely the ones who award the composer, are taught mindless philosophy which justifies such awful and dehumanising trite
clubsandwedge 1 year ago
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Whatever good Stockhausen may have done by getting people to re-examine the way they listen, he more than undid by validating a whole generation of talentless composition students, via disfuntional composition departments, who's staff hardly need be capable in basic musical skills such as harmony and counterpoint. His legacy is the misguided belief that synthesised rumbling sounds and unusual noises peppered all over some simplistic harmony are somehow profound or valuable musical compositions.
richtomes 1 year ago
@richtomes
Most people don't have the same profound training and knowledge about tradition like you have (lol)
You should have tried to convince great performers like Rattle, Pollini, Bernstein, Kremer, Boulez, Mutter, Abbado, Gould and many others that they enjoy disfunctional simplistic music that lacks fundamental skills.
I'm surprised that you never wonder yourself who really lacks fundamental musical training.
revions 1 year ago 7
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How unevolved you are !
richtomes 1 year ago
@richtomes You have a strange theory about human evolution and the fine arts, when you think great performers like Rattle, Pollini, Bernstein, Kremer, Boulez, Mutter, Abbado, Gould and many others are unevolved.
Is that why they are famous and you are not?
revions 1 year ago 4
@richtomes you are still vomiting your bullshit all over youtube!!!
get a life.
ODRADEK111 1 year ago 3
I like listening to the compositions of Stockhausen, but he is so full of himself, i can't hardly bear it. I mean, he's got good ideas. Unlike the establishment, he was not only willingly to use synthetic sound but invent ways of making his own. But he just seems to bent on conveying his brilliance. And have you listened to 'Stockhausen and Evolution?' I mean, there are serious indications of the master race there and it's pretty obvious. I'm saying this despairingly because i like his music.
benmillerintx 1 year ago
oh man i love this guy so much!!! it reminds me of my classical music composition course where we learned of that symphony (name escapes me atm) that just sat silent for about 20 minutes to illustrate that all sounds, be they the intentional sounds of instruments or the gentle hum of the air vents, were part of the musical composition that forms our daily lives. totally transformed the way I heard a stroll down the block. rip karlheinz.
rebekahbirmingham 2 years ago 13
@rebekahbirmingham I believe this concept come from John Cage and is rather a 4 minute and 33 second composition called 4'33''. Stockhausen, being a serialist, and thus a musical control freak (actually this isn't meant as mean as it sounds) would hardly embraced such thoughts about chance in music.
duefriday0 5 months ago
The right ideas in the wrong persona. I developed a love-hate for this composer... in humble opinion, serialism failed, although its remedies are actually valuable (there goes the love-hate again...)
duefriday0 5 months ago
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I hope you one day manage to make that challenging breakthrough from ape to saint, when all will be revealed to you and you will see the error of your ways.
richtomes 2 years ago
@richtomes They only one that needs some training is you. Probably also some toilet training, since you want equal validation of something that you compare with your own faeces with music of Stravinsky, Britten and Orff.
How little does a musician understand of Stravinsky when he wants equal validation with his own excrements.
You have strange fascinations!
The great performers of the 20th century however, understand what KS is about.
So Sir Rattle needs the same training.
LOL: fool
revions 2 years ago 8
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Sounds - a better word than 'Music' for what Stockhausen created. No one can deny he was a prolific creator of sounds. Music is quite another matter however.
richtomes 2 years ago
@richtomes When you don't hear music between the sounds KS or other contemporary composers use, does not mean it is not music.
There are also a lot of people that only hear sounds when they listen to Stravinsky. In their opinion Stravinsky also would not be a composer.
And isn't Vivaldi as well a creator of sounds that before him or outside Venice were unheard?
revions 2 years ago 6
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Get some musical training - then you may begin to understand the difference between sounds and music
richtomes 2 years ago
@richtomes So Pollini, Rattle, Kremer and many others also need some musical training to understand this difference?
revions 2 years ago 7
@richtomes You confuse the Cage concept of sound with the Stockhausen concept of music. A fundamental difference that you can hear and understand when you listen to their music.
revions 2 years ago 7
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You confuse the joining together of sounds with the ancient and fine art of music. Get some musical training to help you distinguish between these two concepts.
richtomes 2 years ago
@richtomes Inform yourself about the different concepts of Cage and Stockhausen and you won't make the same mistake again.
But since you think that Pollini, Rattle, Bernstein, Kremer and many others need extra musical training to have the same views on music as you have, I don't think we can take your call for 'more musical training' seriously. LOL
So when these brilliant artists understand why KS is an important composer, why can't you?
Maybe you lack some musical training?
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richtomes 2 years ago
@richtomes Although I don't particularly agree with KS views on human evolution, I have to confess that after listening to your compositions, I find it hard to contradict KS views about people that aren't yet enough evolved to appreciate new music.
Maybe it is because your compositions lack all the qualities that make up traditional music: rich counterpoint, evolved harmonic processes, fascinating melodies and so on.
Your output is too easy to understand and makes it totally uninteresting
revions 2 years ago
Instead of taking the easy option of theorising, and criticising, which anyone can do whether they have any ability or not why not create something of your own ?
richtomes 2 years ago
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revions 2 years ago
@revions keep on taking the easy option - don't create anything of your own - just theorise - it's a safe bet
richtomes 2 years ago
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revions 2 years ago
It's funny how composers can appreciate the genius of the past century, and yet performers would rather lag 100 years behind...
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richtomes 2 years ago
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"When I started composing" he says! Dude, after you said: "9/11 is the greatest work of art ever", you can call yourself a composer? Or after you said: "I can feel when a virus attacks me. I have the ability to kill it and get it out through my ears!" Sick weirdo. You haven't even reached music, how dare you say you compose it!? Have you ever asked yourself why Chopin's music is rendered and yours is only commented about!? At least people know what is music and what is nonsence noise!!
aggrorulz 2 years ago
Dance, monkey; DANCE!
MusicaRicercata 2 years ago 3
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christopher hitchens kinda looks like stockhausen
nothingblue1 2 years ago
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if he didnt have that slow , slurred, nasally, drunken voice, maybe I would listen!
vergessenheit 2 years ago
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hmm 11 negatives - Revions and her split personality again...
richtomes 2 years ago
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spectralmusic 2 years ago
an infinite inspiration
BillainTV 2 years ago 9
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Grande! youtube: "Frammenti" music by Stefano Ottomano
MrSetticlavio 2 years ago
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And in fact, post-modernism can deconstruct only something already deconstructed. Could post-modernism deconstruct Stockhasuen? NO...so you have to raise the deads, only to "deconstruct" them. Call it an intelligent work...ahahah
ad80ad 2 years ago
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Buauahuhauhahaua....postmodermism! Postmodernism-deconstructionism = ultra-conservatorism. The best way to "deconstruct" something is to destroy it completely, not to play with it like a spoilt child. So...the only real "post-modernist decostructionist" here is Mr. Stockhausen ;-) Others are only brainless boring academicians and grave-diggers.
ad80ad 2 years ago
I never thought I'd say this, however... SHUT THE FUCK UP.
It is the rhetoric of people like you that create a bad representation of people who enjoy modern music (and perhaps a bad representation of modern music in general). Your exceedingly narrow view is comparable with that of those who are completely intolerant of new music. Grow up.
MusicaRicercata 2 years ago 8
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Kitchen Blender !
richtomes 2 years ago
@richtomes LOL I'd advice you to take your violin and put it in your kitchen blender, when you think kitchen blenders or violins automatically make interesting music ;-)
What a cliché
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richtomes 2 years ago
@richtomes yes, another fine contribution. Everybody that disagrees with you and knows a little bit more about contemporary music and art, plays this music brilliant, teaches contemporary music at universities or performs it in major concert halls in your eyes is probably a fool.
It is good that some people have no influence on the development on the history of music, simply because they don't know their history.
revions 2 years ago
fool
richtomes 2 years ago
@richtomes Anybody that thinks that Kitchen Blenders or violins automatically make good music can't be held responsible for his opinions on art, music and everything else.
revions 2 years ago
@richtomes thank you, you brilliant thinker, composer, violinist and kitchen blenderist
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richtomes 2 years ago
@richtomes For someone that calls himself a professor (LOL), you show very little intelligence when it comes to discussing the subjects you yourself have initialized
So I guess you are a professor in kitchen blenderism
and I am just an intelligent fool ;-)
revions 2 years ago
@richtomes dude FUCK OFF!!! quit saying fool on all the vids of him.
ROAHHHH 2 years ago 6
thank you for this!!
askthemailman 2 years ago 5
I learned about Stockhausen in college - he was an innovator and experimental in his music.
Marmalade000000 2 years ago 3
Beautiful
2081calp 2 years ago 6
Wow...I've never heard a German with an accent so good. Impressive, good old Karlheinz
Archimagister 2 years ago 7
this is immensely sampleworthy!
AppA 2 years ago 6
same here dude, but try to create new sounds... inovations is the key.
macizo25 2 years ago 3
Or layer existing sounds so they create fitting soundscapes, be it spectral or temporal.
Even though we only have roughly 20000 Hz at our disposal, sonic content is everything except limited :)
AppA 2 years ago 3
Great lecture.
bitachar 2 years ago 4
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maxchefbiff 2 years ago
why they never show stuff like this on tv? they just show naked girls and bullshit.
konjunktion26 2 years ago 44
so true
TheFreakSupper 2 years ago
naked girls are good sometimes, but yeah they to cut down on the mind numbing bullshit.
kepler101 2 years ago 4
try "arte" maybe?
piggybags 2 years ago 3
For konjunktion26:
TV is not for education any more,
it is for brainwashing.
vokshumana 2 years ago 25
@konjunktion26 Are the naked girls actually in the bullshit?
coolioto 1 year ago
@konjunktion26 I think this is very interesting, and you should be able to find much more stuff like this on TV. But don't take away the naked girls. It is not either/or, but rather both/and.
briteness 1 year ago
Sometimes I feel that he analyzed sound and music far too much. Analyzed to the point of cold and uninteresting abstraction/
That, and he would often take credit for the innovations many of his contemporaries would discover... Ligeti, Xenakis, etc.
emperorIng360 2 years ago 2
I agree. I'm kinda surprised he somewhat insulted Aphex Twin's work.
Soriphen 2 years ago
it is to say degenerated music, like A.H.....!!!!
hectorfprez 2 years ago
It is not ONE school of thought. When we only compare the electronic music that KS composed from the early fifties till his death (more than 5 decades), we hear completely different musical universes! And when we compare his music to those of others, it is even more different
annedegro 2 years ago 6
It is good mental health to be open-minded and sceptic at the same time! ;-)
But can you enlighten us what you mean with 'proto/pseudo' music?
I'm sure the KS agrees with you that music should be exalting and mentally constructive
annedegro 2 years ago 4
'It is good mental health to be open-minded and sceptic at the same time! ;-) '
It is good mental health to be a good judge, to be able to trust yourself. An open mind is only a good means to an end, the closed mind, for the mind is limited. What you should have said is that it is good to have an active mind, not an open one. I am sick and tired of hacks like you who call this music mentally constructive when it is explicitly the opposite in its philosophy.
clubsandwedge 1 year ago
@clubsandwedge Music is music and not philosophy. An 'active' mind is indeed a better word than an 'open' mind. Active ears and an active mind will help everybody who wants to understand and enjoy contemporary music.
annedegro 1 year ago
@annedegro Music is everything, and everything is music. Music is philosophy, work,sweat,math,anger,architecture,nature, the sound that your keyboard will make while you write a response... Music is the sound of a platoon opening fire, CPR on a drowned body, a basketball court in Boston, the car alarm that I am hearing now...
With an active mind, you can translate and extrapolate examples that seem unrelated. Then you will understand and enjoy. "Not philosophy"? Gimme a break...
Roswellsounds 1 year ago
@Roswellsounds Sorry, I always thought that Mozart was a composer and Aristotle a philosopher. Thanks for clearing that up to me ;-)
annedegro 1 year ago
@annedegro Yes? Well, go share your thoughs with Steve Reich, Luigi Nono or Helmut Lachenmann. You´ll hear music when they laugh at you! Where you raised in India? Sounds like you´re trying to imposse their caste system. No problem with that...
But music? And philosophy? You must be joking. I don´t want to start another six months discussion here. We both know a certain stupid YT user named rich"IsuckDick"tomes... You can be A, and you also can be B. Mix them both and maybe you´ll get C.
Roswellsounds 1 year ago
@Roswellsounds Please enlighten me about what the Indian Caste system has to do with the fact that Mozart was a composer and not a philosopher?
So you should know that the philosophers that Lachemann and Nono sometimes (!) refer to (Lukács, Merleau-Ponty, Nietzsche and Adorno) are of little to no interest to KS (maybe with the exeption of Adorno).
annedegro 1 year ago