Michael Moore is short for Michael Moron. Jesus was not big on telling Ceasar how to run the government. His attitude was "Render unto Ceasar the things that are Ceasars and unto God the things that are Gods'. If he saw someone needing healing, He just did it himself, he did NOT make demands of Ceasar. Seems to me Michael Moron has become (shall I say) filthy rich selling BS to stupid people. Perhaps if he is interested in following Jesus's example, he could give all that money to hospitals.
@jrkidd3 Perhaps all those rich Republicans should do what Jesus said and sell all that they have and give it to the poor. Remember, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
@HufflepuffPrince If you will read the full context of the verse you refer to, you will see that with men it is impossible, with God, all things are possible. If you will just think for a moment and consider human beings for what they really are, you will see that for every 'rich' person who goes to hell, not for being wealthy, but for failing to love God and his neighbor, there will be thousands of narrow minded, griping, complaining, envious, covetous failures in life right behind them.
@jrkidd3 I'll tell you one thing; Republicans are probably the most un-Christ-like Christians walking. Besides, hell doesn't even exist, so...And I am indifferent to the rich.
@HufflepuffPrince Un-Christ like Christians are every where. I think If you believe our politics could use more "Christlike" christains, you should consider the democrat party for a place to start making changes. Having said that, yep, some republicans will fit that picture, too. If you don't believe in God, why quote his book to make your point? That is not a very original way to make a point. Then again, you point is also not original. It is as old as mankinds' capacity to envy his brother.
@jrkidd3 I was quoting the Bible because it seems to be the only thing Christians listen to. But, thankfully, I don't envy anyone, I have no reason to. Material wealth is fleeting but that is something the rich can't comprehend.
@HufflepuffPrince Oh, I think a LOT of rich people have begun to comprehend that under Obamas' presidency. I'm a Christian and I'm listening to you. Perhaps you are referring to the same un-Christ like Christians you mentioned before. They are no more or less subject to human nature as the non-Christian, although perhaps they do try to be. If you do not envy and you recognize the fleeting nature of riches, then what is your point and why bother to make it?
@jrkidd3 My point is that hypocritical Republicans should not judge others with such a holier-than-thou attitude when they themselves cannot live by the standards that they preach.
@HufflepuffPrince But your original comment was directed at me. I am neither rich nor republican. Also, you seem to think that 'republican' and 'rich' are synonymous. They most certainly are not. When you quote Jesus and call them hypocrites, you are also assuming they are all Christians, or claim to be. That also is not true. Given the errors of your assumptions, while you call them "holier than thou" in their attitudes, what does that make you and on what basis are you qualified to judge?
@HufflepuffPrince Well, I suppose that except for rich people, Republicans, and Christians,you would certainly never deny that free will is a right. When it comes to rich people, republicans and Christians, you side with Michael Moore, they have no such right. "Lets impose and enforce socialism upon them, and if they don't like it, that's ok, we give ourselves the right".
@HufflepuffPrince Sure it is. The ONLY way to maintain a socialistic society is by government force, by confiscation which must occur before redistribution is possible. The problem with socialism is that no one can rise above the common misery (unless politically connected) The United States is far from perfect, but when we become a socialist society, hope for betterment is as dead as the freedoms of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
My great-grandfather was one of the old-school Attlee-type socialists, back before we got like the Americans and started to confuse socialism with communism.
My great-grandfather always used to say that Jesus was a socialist. I'm inclined to agree. I think if Jesus was alive back in 1948, he would shake Nye Bevan by the hand.
@BasilFawlty4444 Jesus is the son of God, transcending politics of this world. It is one thing to give from the heart and quite another to governmentally mandate according to political purposes. Jesus is king in the hearts of Christians, yes. But he refused to be made a king in this world. Socialism is evil, masquerading itself as good. Jesus would give his own life us all,, but he would forcefully take nothing from any one. Those who claim to do so in his name only dishonor him.
@BasilFawlty4444 It is true that western nations do in the attempt to create a safety net do engage in socialism However when socialism becomes the dominate economic philosophy it can only be sustained by government force because it is contrary to human nature A socialist will lie to achieve his ends a communist will kill outright That is the greatest difference between the two One is the greater of two evils and the other is the lessor, but still evil. I confess a bit of ignorance. What is NHS?
@jrkidd3 The NHS is the National Health Service, a state-controlled establishment (regulated by the Minister of Health) and provider of free healthcare at the point of use, regardless of residency, in the UK.
The NHS costs over 10% of British GDP and is the largest employer in Europe.
It was established by Aneurin Bevan in 1948 under the socialist Labour government of Clement Attlee and remains the dominant feature in British politics and elections.
@BasilFawlty4444 Bevan began by attacking their leaders (doctors) as a small group of politically 'poisonous' men (a little harmless character assassination) a squalid political conspiracy (demonizing) dividing and cajoling (spreading dissent) and a bit of bribery here and there. Precisely what Americans already have seen to much of in our politics, compliment of liberal socialist and communist wannabes. I suppose you can make a hero out of a man like that. But he is no relation to Jesus Christ.
@jrkidd3 I guess you could call Bevan a national hero. He certainly is thought of highly, as is the NHS. I never said that Jesus was related in any way to Bevan, only that what Bevan did was inspirational and I reckon Jesus would have approved. The BMA, which was the main body of medical professionals that opposed Bevan, today gives it's full support to the NHS.
Bevan was decribing opposition of the BMA as "a squalid political conspiracy," which indeed it was. He used this term in Parliament.
@jrkidd3 Furthermore, I see your comment "A socialist will lie to achieve his ends." Well, don't all politicians lie and let the people down? Especially American politicans.
The very existence of the Attlee government, and it's status as a landmark reforming government in British history sneers in the face of the concept that socialism is incompatible with democracy and freedom.
I support the fusion of capitalism and socialism. I am thankful for the Attlee government. I am proud of the NHS.
@BasilFawlty4444 I suppose Jesus would indeed approve of rendering medical aid to any who need it, regardless of their ability to pay. But I doubt very much that he would approve of Bevans methods of character assassination, demonization, lying and bribery. For what it's worth, I don't know why you would single out American politicians, but I don't believe Jesus would have much esteem for most of them either. I do not think He would agree that the end results justifies any means what so ever.
@jrkidd3 I doubt if Jesus would disapprove of the way Bevan conducted things. The BMA was traditionally reactionary in the face of health reform. It WAS a political conspiracy. Besides, it's just politics - you should see the brutality of the House of Commons!!
To clarify, when Bevan stated that he "stuffed their mouths with gold," he actually made concessions to the doctors. Specifically, instead of a steady wage, doctors would be paid as in private practice - by volume of patients registered.
@BasilFawlty4444 Honestly, I don't think I can think of a political party anywhere in the world that Jesus would concern himself with overmuch either in support or against. Things of this world he said himself would happen and that there would be tribulation, but He has overcome the world. His concern was the saving of souls, not bodies.
Respond to this video... So, politics aside, to bring Jesus into the conversation is absurd which ever stance one takes on socialized medicine. Socialist like to use his name as a tool for propaganda. Again, to a socialist, the end results justifies any means. I imagine that if Jesus were to read this conversation he would be more concerned with your soul and mine than who 'wins' this discussion. LOL
@jrkidd3 I'm not talking about winning the discussion, I'm just saying that my great-grandfather had a point - Jesus cared about the poor, about equality, about caring for others. I know Jesus is above petty human politics, but you must accept that he had a point:
Attlee said
"If a rich man wants to help the poor, he should pay his taxes gladly, not dole out money at a whim,"
Jesus said
"it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
@BasilFawlty4444 "If a rich man wants to help the poor, he should pay his taxes gladly," assuming that govt. is responsible in it's spending and not overbearing in it's taxation, I agree. Socialist governments are notorious doling out other peoples money on a whim. . As to the quote of Jesus, if you read context a little more you will find that he also said that with man it is impossible but with God all things are possible. Jesus also said it is the heart that defiles a man not his bank account
@BasilFawlty4444 LOL, in my country, conservatives are described by the socialist as nazis, warmongers, child haters, racist, homophobic bigots, mean spirited, more dangerous than Al Queda terrorist, idiots, religious nuts, gun toting sexist haters and about a million other disparaging names. This is my personal primary reason for believing that they are evil to the core and I want nothing to do with anything they want.
@jrkidd3 Don't think ill of me; I'm not comparing Jesus to Attlee, I'm not trying to bring Jesus down to our level. I'm just saying that the socialism of Attlee and Bevan is very Christian.
Again:
Bevan said
"No society can legitimately call itself civilised if a sick person is denied medical aid because of lack of means,"
Jesus said
"But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you."
@BasilFawlty4444 I have no reason to think ill of you. So far, you have not made a single personal insult or assault (very rare from any one who would support socialism) It may interest you to know that America does not have a 1948 health care system. Not only do we not turn people away from emergency rooms, we spend millions on people who are not even in our country legaly. We have for decades. The current "obamacare' thing is not really about health care, it is about taking over our economy.
@jrkidd3 As does Britain. The difference is, I don't at all mind paying for the care of all people, whether or not they are British citizens.
Now you say a "wolf in sheep's clothing," but did you know that Churchill described Attlee as "a sheep in sheep's clothing"?
And that's what it was all about. We've never had a real socialist government since, but the Attlee government just reflects the huge overhaul of values that the Second World War brought to the UK - and the optimism for the future.
Respond to this video... I do not think ill of you. I just disagree with the idea that socialism has anything at all in common with 1st century Christianity. A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf no matter how he tries to make himself look like a sweet little lamb.
@BasilFawlty4444 "But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you." ... a Christian does that as an individual because it is his nature to do so. Jesus spoke these words to common people, not to governors and rulers of his day as something they should implement as government policy. Why? corruption runs rampant when politicians begin to play Christ.
@jrkidd3 I doubt if Attlee or Bevan either considered themselves to be playing the role of Christ (only following Jesus' teachings), and I seriously doubt if they were corrupt. It was their intention to make a better society. As Bevan said:
"The purpose of getting power is to be able to give it away."
Respond to this video... Hey, sorry to break this off, but I have to go for the evening. I will grant you one thing: you have proven yourself capable of civil discourse. You don't have to read very much on you tube post that involve politics to see that is rare. Thank you for that, good night, and God bless.
@jrkidd3 I understand that in the US socialism is a dirty word. But on this side of the pond, it is more acceptable. The Labour Party - which gave us Tony Blair - is VERY moderately socialist, and is one of the top two parties in the country. The current leader, Ed Miliband, is openly socialist.
There is confusion about what socialism means. It is NOT communism. It's about public spending, looking after the average working and middle classes. I think the NHS and the Welfare State show this.
@jrkidd3 You Americans also seem to have an irrational phobia of socialised medicine; we have it here in Britain and it is a great system. Why do you fear it so much? Why is healthcare for all regardless of wealth and position such a frightening prospect for you?
@HufflepuffPrince I am sure it is a great system for those who get the freebies, if not for those who are forced to pay for them. Socialists provide only 3 things to the world: Lies, more lies and damn lies. They do this like children playing 'pin the tail on the donkey' (branding people opposed to them with some moralistic supremacy claim) and their favorite tail used to pin others down under their thumbs is "irrational phobia". But for all that, it the tail doesn't fit,it will be rejected
@jrkidd3 hey, this has been interesting. In you, I find that you are at least not as nuts as Michael Moore. I have enjoyed this, but I have things to do. If you wish to continue later, just post and I will reply when I get back to the house. For now, I have to go.
@jrkidd3 Nobody gets freebies. Everyone pays their National Insurance and this ensures that everybody gets the care they need without having to worry about crushing medical bills. But I'm not going to try and chnge your mind on Socialism, you're quite obviously very convicted.
@HufflepuffPrince I just prefer freedom to oppression, and socialized medicine is like a toe in the door of a nations economy that will allow for more and more socialization and oppression to come in until everything is controlled by the government. The reality is that money does not grow on trees. It must be created and there are principles that cannot be overturned for the continued creation of it. Socialism has failed destroyed freedom in every nation that has tried it. gotta go, later
@jrkidd3 Believe that if you want ut we are in no way "oppressed" by the NHS. But this will be my last comment to you; I do not wish to discuss this issue with a person who is so set on demonising nationalised healthcare. You have listened to your media far too much, I'm afraid.
@HufflepuffPrince I do not listen to our mainstream media and if you did, you would know that their propagandizing is on your side, not mine. And you, while commenting on your own disdain of Christians because they do not listen to anything but the Bible, have just passed judgement on me from a holier than thou standpoint and refused to hear anything I might say. Does the word HYPOCRITE ring any bells for you? But, you are right, conversation over.
@HufflepuffPrince Out of curiosity though, in your righteous judgement, which do you find most despicable, rich people who have things you do not, or republicans who would like to see them keep what they have earned?
@yadig2012 Harry Potter 26:24-54, Quoting from provably fanciful fairy tales makes you appear stupid. (Hint....if it has unicorns in it IT'S NOT REAL!)
@yadig2012 Willful charity is rewarded. NOT the government taking what I earn at gunpoint. The stupid Libs always forget that that part. Hey Micheal, where is my share of your movie money??
@TheDukeljk "The day that this fat fuck has a heart attack and dies America will be better for it.", ah the land of the free...love it free speech is so well defended by people like you.
Zennis1 no i dont know what Socialism means so please educate me. And please explain to me how socialism worked for you in your country? The people that normally talk good about it are those who have not lived in a socialist country so, I would like to know.
We wil be asked "when I was hungry did you feed me" not "when I was hungry to your force someone else at the barrel of a gun (enforced tax code) to hand over their property, keep some for yourself, and give me the rest"
@zennus1 Socialism - The stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
@zennus1 Thats the definition from the Webster's dictionary. Most people use the dictionary to learn and teach what words mean. I also noticed you had no logical response. Just a straw man arguement attacking the poster not the content. Typical of someone favoring the evils of socialism. However feel free to argue the meaning of words with the dictionary if you must. LOL!
Great documentary. FOX & even CNN could not find one thing wrong with it - cnn even went as far as making something up (have dr. gupta saying that moore screwed up the numbers w/cuba's paying into their health care) - then when moore called them out on it - they had to appologize (they did so at a much lower viewer time slot). Hey Stefan, watch it once b4 u lie about it. And then find anything in it that is not correct.
Sicko is nothing but a movie for a stupid audience. The fact that Moore could shame us Americans into thinking that by going to a Cuban Communist Potemkin village and extolling the virtues of Socialism with this farce propaganda movie is preposterous. The fact of the matter is that Cuba is a Fascist country and a one part police state. What we Americans have is far far better than the average $20 a month wage. Only the idiot Democrats could be duped by this two bit Communist, Michael Moore.
I believe doing for others in any capacity is a personal/individual choice. This act is called CHARITY. Charity is NOT a government mandate with a penalty of imprisonment/fines for lack of compliance. So, sorry Michael Moore...youre wrong, and a false teacher. Government imposed confiscation of one's personal property to redistribute to others is NOT charity...its tyranny. To all those liberals out there, give of YOURSELF and stop concerning yourself with what the next guy does.
@SeaWolfe59 He isn't talking about charity; he's talking about rights. There isn't a day that passes where I am not thankful for being Canadian. Of course, I don't believe our health care is perfect.. there is always room for improvement, but I would MUCH rather be Canadian, where seeing a doctor when I'm sick (for free at point of use) is an actual protected and guaranteed right.
Right. Hes talking about forcing people into a system that a majority of Americans do not want to be a part of. Hes talking about taking away choice and forcing folks to pay into a system where lack of compliance is punishable by fines and imprisonment. What a wonderful "right".
I have a right to health care in my free market.
Two other points:
1. People in Canada often come to the U.S. for medical treatment.
2. Being a Canadian, this in none of your business sir.
@SeaWolfe59 No, you do not have a "right to health care in your free market".. your so-called right is conditional. It is based on whether you have money and how much of it. What a wonderful "right". Also, "the majority" of Americans being against/for it, is a matter of poll-taking, some say one thing, while others say the opposite, and they are all reliable, credible polls. so in truth you have no way of knowing..all you know is what YOU and those you know want, and that is a TINY fraction.
You believe everyone should have a government-enforced right to healthcare, making it someone elses responsibility to provide it...penalized by imprisonment for non-compliance. Liberals never want to talk about this part of the argument. If I dont want to participate then I am called a selfish, uncompassionate hater and the goal then is to force me into the system. The end justifies the means. Who cares if I just want to provide for myself. My individual choice is clearly meaningless.
@SeaWolfe59 Also, it IS my business, as it is a video on youtube. It's a global public forum and dialogue, where everyone is entitled to expressing their opinion/views/beliefs which they are (usually entitled to have (as a Canadian, I certainly am).
Sure, youre allowed to express your opinion here. But, just as I, out of respect for your sovereign country, have no moral right to affect your politics and culture, you have no moral right to do the same in MY country.
You didnt comment on my point #1. That point says a lot about your country's "right" to health care. Google: "Canadian Premier comes to US for heart surgery". If its so great, why did this man come to my "right-denying" country? There are failures in your system.
There aren't many conservatives anymore. The term itself is an Orwellian euphemism for various shades of rightwing personalities (authoritarians, fascists) who seek to legislate their particular brand of prejudice and hatred while enforcing a vast, powerful Police State that is a welfare state for the rich only. What's amazing to see in the US is how routine exposure to corporate "news" has duped so many poor people to rabidly support and defend interest$ that seek to exploit and crush them.
@SeaWolfe59 - Factual, objective analysis of the American empire, coupled with historic perspective, isn't tantamount to 'throwing stones' ... it only seems that way to those I alluded to in my original posting. And yes, for clarification, within the current lexicon, I am most definitely a liberal/leftist, and have been since my formative yrs.
"Germany lost the second World War, fascism won it." - George Carlin
So, I identify myself as a Conservative. Show me how I am prejudiced and hateful...and support a vast welfare state for rich people.
And a question that mirrors your statement "there arent many conservatives anymore." Are there any liberals remaining? I dont think so. Your group has been infiltrated by socialists/Marxists/communists. Your side seeks to turn this country into another Europe. Do you not agree?
@SeaWolfe59 Being against universal, Single Payer health care is, in my estimation, indicative of prejudice/immorality. Jesus would be in favor of it, yet so many flag wavin', bible thumpers of today spew venom over the current "health" reform bill (it's a corporate giveaway) that could only be touted as "socialism" in a demented empire dead set against providing basic social safety nets.
As for Libs...yes, but Profit$ Over People culture has shifted many rightward w/o their realizing it.
Jesus would have been in favor of forcing one to help another via threat of a Roman spear? Would He have condoned using the powerful, forceful hand of the Roman government to force people to comply? Or would He have taken the position that charity is defined as an individual choice made from the heart out of faithfullness to God? I believe the answer is quite clear. I think youre wrong. Btw, are you Christian? And what do you know of the bible?
@SeaWolfe59 We could've avoided ins companies & govt mandates w/Single Payer, but the fascists weren't about to put people ahead of profit$. And even though Jesus didn't live in a corporate state, he would've championed a healthcare system that put people ahead of profits and offered the most to the greatest percentage of the least. Try and dance around that basic fact all you want, but that's the long & short of it, and that's how I perceive Jesus i.e. Cleansing the Temple/Money Changers. Bye..
Interesting that you have no direct comment on my viewpoint.
Cleansing the temple was to separate money changers from God's house.
I dont believe in socialism as an answer. It enslaves people. There are other solutions that maintain individual liberty.
If youre concerned about the poor, do what we all should do...give. This is what Jesus wants. If you have an extra coat, give it to the naked. If you have extra food, give it to the hungry. Etc.
Amen! But, that fact doesnt help the Marxist agenda at hand, now does it. Freedom gives us the power to exercise charity and help others. Government mandates and penalties forcing redistribution of property takes our power away. This argument cannot be broken.
@SeaWolfe59 Well said. Universal healthcare may begin with providing basic healthcare to those who can't afford to pay free-enterprise prices, but it will end with people like you and me dead in a gulag.
jesus would do it under god not under the govt! and the reason christians dont want it because when govt steps in it makes the problem worse! the only reason every one gets healthcare in socailized healthcare is because then every one is controled by the govt!
WHat an idiot yes Yeshuah (Jesus non-pagan name) would give everyone free healthcare BUT! he would do it through his power of God not through the human bureaucratic government and besides its the GOVERNMENTS fault healthcare is so expensive with inflation lawsuits and price fixing i say we get rid of governments and lawyers AND LEAVE IT TO THE DOCTORS AND PACIENTS!
@killzonerome Because when 100% of the rest of worlds companies don't have to pay for insurance, they can out price American companies. Our spending on health care keeps becoming a bigger and bigger portion of GDP and makes our economy inefficient. Instead of giving 1 lazy piece of shit preventative medicine we now have 100 broke unemployed people who generate no tax revenue. Good job you dumb piece of shit.
@killzonerome Wow, you are generalizing everyone in lower class or with money troubles into one simple minded category ("lazy, do nothing to better themselves"). Congratulations, you are now a discompationate selfish 'human' being.
Uh, really? Why? It's the same reason no one should go to your house to cook and eat you alive. Its not very nice. However, as long as you're saying we all have the freedom to be as big a dick as we want, well, I am feelin a little peckish...
jesus was essentially a communist that is exactly why christianity is regressive. it does not embrace individualism. that is why christians who are politically opposed to socialism creeping in cannot defend it on the basis of christianity. Individualism is the way nature works. Moore is just selling socialism making emotional appeals in the name of jesus. Why can't liberals look at things unemotionally? and they say theirs is an argument based on logic when it is just based on emotions.
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What is it with Socialists and Communists that they aren't content with having miserable countries run by Socialist and Communist governments that they could go to and enjoy the fruits of those tenets, but instead are compelled to attack and attempt to take away freedom from the U.S. citizen.
If you want Socialism or Communism, go find it. It's out there for you. Leave and don't let the door hit you on the way out. But leave the United States alone.
Some people seem to think that people in UK have no choice. That is totally wrong. There is private and public though by far the majority of people, given this choice, choose the NHS. It is very highly regarded by the public and no party dares to suggest that we do away with "socialized" NHS and force everyone to buy health care or health care insurance privately. It would be political suicide.
He never shows the bad sides of the other systems, as usual, he is biased and political. I'd prefer if documentaries were less ideological and just showed what's out there, the advantages and disadvantages. I'd really like to know what actually makes health care so expensive. Doctors are expensive, but apparently they account for little of the price.
@richardcadbury you are another lip christian. no other xtian nation that can afford it has not socialised medicine. americans are lip christians. what america really worships is money. most of the 9/11 murderers where saudis. what have you done about them?
@richardcadbury please can you point to an example in western europe where the poor have as bad a treatment as the usa. why is primary and secondary education the police, socialised in the usa? your system costs twice as much as the next most expensive per capita. it reminds me of the gas guzzlers that your countrymen love so much. the basic healthcare is paid for through taxation and most europeans would never countenance your system because of it's wastefulness.
@obaokan4 Those are interesting questions, and you deserve a full and detailed set of answers. They can't fit on a comment, so if it's ok with you I'll send you a pm.
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@richardcadbury Exactly. The free market is the only way to deliver medicine to the poor. Libtards like to make a big deal that there were many people without coverage. But what do they know? And yes, studies show that universal healthcare (socialism) (communism) will retard progress by forfty percent. In the US 10% of the population controls 70% of the wealth - that is the way we like it & that is the way we are going to keep it. And the sooner those goddamn librols realise that the better.
@shakeystevensVIII were the hell did you get those figures. and if the free market is so good at delivering healthcare then why are so many without it in the good ole u s of a and if thats the way you like then you are a compleat and utter moron. no wonder your country is so fucked up you sad greedy little person.
@richardcadbury IF this is true, where is your evidence.Jesus requires" Proper righteous action".You deceive yourelf and appear delussional if markets make some people wealthy and many stay sick and die!! Thankyou
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@juanlmesl Yes I have seen sicko twice. It misportrayed the NHS (the healthcare i get as an englishman) and didn't show any of the downsides.
On the plus side, it highlighted a lot of flaws with the American status quo (all of which were the result of unintended consequences of well meaning politicians). On the downside, Moore portrayed these as "market" failures, and recommended yet more unintended consequences.
@amsplg so if you got really sick and couldnt afford your medical bills and wasnt covered by your insurance you think its right for hospitals not to help you?
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It would be nice if he didnt make things up to make his movies :/
Michael Moore is a hack, he is after his "own piece of the pie" and this a lucriative way for him to get it. Instead of mugging in some alley way, he lurks in lies and deceit waiting for fools to pay to see his movies.
Now on corruption, always has been always will be. Nothing new under the Sun, that is what God as said.
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He's such a liar. All of these people are liars and crooks and thieves. None of their sick control over our lives has anything to do with either Christianity or anything virtuous.
The costs went up because the gov't took over the market. They prevent us from buying and selling freely. They steal from us to make us poor, then give the money to their donors and friends.
Moore plainly lies over and over again. It's disgusting and pathetic. But I guess people love to worship stupidity.
Costs went up because Kaiser Permanente established a revolutionary health care system that allowed them to trim expenses by denying care-- they called them "incentives."
The Government had not touched the system before this. It happened under Nixon, and its been that way ever since.
Privately owned insurance companies have turned the system of health care into a for-profit one. This is simply wrong and backwards. Healthcare should be non-profit. Period.
Also, both Blue Cross and Blue Shield started in 1929 as tax-exempt insurers of teachers and miner/lumber yard works respectively. In political jargon, that means "socialized."
Basically, only a few decades ago we had "socialized medicine" and, surprise surprise, it worked.
No, that would be voluntary association. The political means of organization is by force and fraud. When edicts are issued to everyone with threats of violence and punishment attached, THAT is "socialized medicine".
Do you understand the difference between liberty and coercion?
In a free society, you are FREE to form mutual insurance or other non-profit institutions by voluntary means.
The state, however, uses brute force *against* you.
Problem being that in an economically free society non-profit and for-profit health insurance cannot coexist. Why? Because the for-profits buy out the non-profits. =\
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Insurance is not rocket science. The profit margin would fall like a rock with free entry into this niche. Thus, it would most likely be the other way around!
Investment money will seek higher returns elsewhere, and this health insurance business will be nothing more than a large club with benefits for dues paying members.
But God forbid that people should be free and find better uses for all those trillions of dollars, right? : )
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Why would all jobs go to India or China if we had a free market? I don't really understand what you're trying to say. You mean health related jobs in particular or are you trying to make a general statement about economics?
A free society is always more prosperous than those who are subjugated precisely because they are free and unburdened by tyrannical forces. The division of labor explodes when people are allowed to keep the fruit of their labor and engage in voluntary exchange.
@MillionthUsername I understood you as you will have a free market without regulations so you can sell your stuff as you like.
But a free market is also to enable import of stuff from low cost countries without regulations, and if that happens you can close down all your factories.
You are right about the driving force (profit) , but some regulations is needed to stop it from running out of control due to greed.
And USA can't compete in labor cost so you need import regulations.
There is a worldwide division of labor. That is why exports and imports exist. It doesn't matter who is best at making what. It only frees up other people to provide other goods and services.
Markets are self-regulating. The only "greed" to be feared is the greed of those who use illegitimate gov't power to attack the free market in order to enrich themselves and their friends. Gov't regulation is designed to do precisely this. Banking and health care are two of the most egregious examples.
@MillionthUsername I don't know enough about whats going on inside USA to argue with you on all details, but what I have seen, your banks really fucked up and was on the brink of bankrupt, so the Government had to save their greedy asses.
The self regulation is a factor you will not see, since it means that the dollar will drop in value until there is balance between import/export.
You can't just trust gov't issued monopolies like patents forever to hold competition away. (and extreme prizes)
The banking system is a gov't created cartel. It is not a free market institution. It's a legalized counterfeiting ring. The gov't is able to steal from people by devaluing the currency, and the banks reap profits from the scheme by charging interest on credit they create out of nothing.
I meant that self-regulation is a feature of FREE markets. When gov't "regulates," it uses monopoly power to control and redistribute wealth production. If any fiat currency faced competition, it would fold.
@bbatnorsborg that's not true you piece of shit. in china they use hundreds of workers on a production line and pay them like crap. in america we use 1 machine which costs less to run and is operated by a highly skilled worker who is worth infinately more than a chinese motherfucker.
@raptor2391 Since you call me "piece of shit" , you show you are a useless motherfucker that can't argue..
What make you think an American worker have more skill then a Chinese.
Are you talking about the mass of fat per person or what they really learn excluding bible readings. You seems to think USA is the only developed country that are using machines. Your country has far to many IP-lawyers and religious cults to have a chance in the new time where research and development must go very fast.
Guess this jackass doesn't understand that you don't rob Peter to pay Paul. There is nothing funnier than a godless liberal trying to invoke scripture into a debate. Just ask Nancy Pelosi and her made up bible verse she tries to pass off to "guilt" Christians. Liberals are such morons and mocking them is just soooo easy.
Actually redistribution of wealth is a Capitalist concept. Adam Smith argued in the Wealth of Nations in book 1 chapter 8 that the wealthy need to pay a greater % of their wealth to society than the average person
You realize that Adam Smith was niether creator nor definor of capitalism, right? Smith just wrote a book on it. Capitalism existed since the moment someone said, "Give me spear! Me give basket!" In fact, a quick wiki search shows me Greko-Roman Capitalism, and a host of different capitalist theories, including that of Smith, Rand, Keynes, etc. Cpitalism is just, "an economic system based on private ownership of capital." If Smith really said that % thing, he wasn't advocating Capitalism.
oaguardian 2 questions: 1: why is ok for UK taxpayers to fund US Kraft foods to take over UK confectioner Cadburys..7 billion quid.
2: place i live is privatey owned so no repairs and health safety breaches making me ill..i saw a doctor today concerned about my health..he never sent me a bill..how ironic..
In order to get Canadian heath care at the Canadian cost, they'd have to get a provincial health card, and that means living in that porvince. Which, in turn, means they're leaving the US permanently, and as such, I think there's bigger reasons than just helth care for why they come to Canada.
And if they really move to Canada, then they're paying taxes, and that means they're still paying for care.
yeah its like US food giant Kraft foods buying up UK company Cadbuty and getting Royal Bank of Scotland ie UK taxpayer to fund the takeover..thats what the us has been doing for years..
michael moore for president!!!!
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*Proverbs 14:31 - "He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. "
yadig2012 3 months ago
Michael Moore is short for Michael Moron. Jesus was not big on telling Ceasar how to run the government. His attitude was "Render unto Ceasar the things that are Ceasars and unto God the things that are Gods'. If he saw someone needing healing, He just did it himself, he did NOT make demands of Ceasar. Seems to me Michael Moron has become (shall I say) filthy rich selling BS to stupid people. Perhaps if he is interested in following Jesus's example, he could give all that money to hospitals.
jrkidd3 3 months ago
@jrkidd3 Perhaps all those rich Republicans should do what Jesus said and sell all that they have and give it to the poor. Remember, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
HufflepuffPrince 3 months ago
@HufflepuffPrince If you will read the full context of the verse you refer to, you will see that with men it is impossible, with God, all things are possible. If you will just think for a moment and consider human beings for what they really are, you will see that for every 'rich' person who goes to hell, not for being wealthy, but for failing to love God and his neighbor, there will be thousands of narrow minded, griping, complaining, envious, covetous failures in life right behind them.
jrkidd3 3 months ago
@jrkidd3 I'll tell you one thing; Republicans are probably the most un-Christ-like Christians walking. Besides, hell doesn't even exist, so...And I am indifferent to the rich.
HufflepuffPrince 3 months ago
@HufflepuffPrince Un-Christ like Christians are every where. I think If you believe our politics could use more "Christlike" christains, you should consider the democrat party for a place to start making changes. Having said that, yep, some republicans will fit that picture, too. If you don't believe in God, why quote his book to make your point? That is not a very original way to make a point. Then again, you point is also not original. It is as old as mankinds' capacity to envy his brother.
jrkidd3 3 months ago
@jrkidd3 I was quoting the Bible because it seems to be the only thing Christians listen to. But, thankfully, I don't envy anyone, I have no reason to. Material wealth is fleeting but that is something the rich can't comprehend.
HufflepuffPrince 3 months ago
@HufflepuffPrince Oh, I think a LOT of rich people have begun to comprehend that under Obamas' presidency. I'm a Christian and I'm listening to you. Perhaps you are referring to the same un-Christ like Christians you mentioned before. They are no more or less subject to human nature as the non-Christian, although perhaps they do try to be. If you do not envy and you recognize the fleeting nature of riches, then what is your point and why bother to make it?
jrkidd3 3 months ago
@jrkidd3 My point is that hypocritical Republicans should not judge others with such a holier-than-thou attitude when they themselves cannot live by the standards that they preach.
HufflepuffPrince 3 months ago
@HufflepuffPrince But your original comment was directed at me. I am neither rich nor republican. Also, you seem to think that 'republican' and 'rich' are synonymous. They most certainly are not. When you quote Jesus and call them hypocrites, you are also assuming they are all Christians, or claim to be. That also is not true. Given the errors of your assumptions, while you call them "holier than thou" in their attitudes, what does that make you and on what basis are you qualified to judge?
jrkidd3 3 months ago
@jrkidd3 I am qualified to judge simply because I can; isn't that what free will is all about after all?
HufflepuffPrince 3 months ago
@HufflepuffPrince Well, I suppose that except for rich people, Republicans, and Christians,you would certainly never deny that free will is a right. When it comes to rich people, republicans and Christians, you side with Michael Moore, they have no such right. "Lets impose and enforce socialism upon them, and if they don't like it, that's ok, we give ourselves the right".
jrkidd3 3 months ago
@jrkidd3 Socialism isn't as scary as you think, you know.
HufflepuffPrince 3 months ago
@HufflepuffPrince Sure it is. The ONLY way to maintain a socialistic society is by government force, by confiscation which must occur before redistribution is possible. The problem with socialism is that no one can rise above the common misery (unless politically connected) The United States is far from perfect, but when we become a socialist society, hope for betterment is as dead as the freedoms of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
jrkidd3 3 months ago
@jrkidd3 Socialism is the absolute antithesis of freedom
jrkidd3 3 months ago
@jrkidd3
I am Christian. I use the NHS.
My great-grandfather was one of the old-school Attlee-type socialists, back before we got like the Americans and started to confuse socialism with communism.
My great-grandfather always used to say that Jesus was a socialist. I'm inclined to agree. I think if Jesus was alive back in 1948, he would shake Nye Bevan by the hand.
BasilFawlty4444 2 months ago 5
@BasilFawlty4444 Jesus is the son of God, transcending politics of this world. It is one thing to give from the heart and quite another to governmentally mandate according to political purposes. Jesus is king in the hearts of Christians, yes. But he refused to be made a king in this world. Socialism is evil, masquerading itself as good. Jesus would give his own life us all,, but he would forcefully take nothing from any one. Those who claim to do so in his name only dishonor him.
jrkidd3 2 months ago
@jrkidd3 I never said anything about force.
Socialism is not a bad thing. Every Western nation runs on a fusion of socialism and capitalism, even if they don't know/accept this.
All I can say is that the NHS is a bloody brilliant product of good socialism, and I would never see it gone.
BasilFawlty4444 2 months ago
@BasilFawlty4444 It is true that western nations do in the attempt to create a safety net do engage in socialism However when socialism becomes the dominate economic philosophy it can only be sustained by government force because it is contrary to human nature A socialist will lie to achieve his ends a communist will kill outright That is the greatest difference between the two One is the greater of two evils and the other is the lessor, but still evil. I confess a bit of ignorance. What is NHS?
jrkidd3 2 months ago
@jrkidd3 The NHS is the National Health Service, a state-controlled establishment (regulated by the Minister of Health) and provider of free healthcare at the point of use, regardless of residency, in the UK.
The NHS costs over 10% of British GDP and is the largest employer in Europe.
It was established by Aneurin Bevan in 1948 under the socialist Labour government of Clement Attlee and remains the dominant feature in British politics and elections.
Watch this video clip:
watch?v=mCrHlAemaFw
BasilFawlty4444 2 months ago
@BasilFawlty4444 Bevan began by attacking their leaders (doctors) as a small group of politically 'poisonous' men (a little harmless character assassination) a squalid political conspiracy (demonizing) dividing and cajoling (spreading dissent) and a bit of bribery here and there. Precisely what Americans already have seen to much of in our politics, compliment of liberal socialist and communist wannabes. I suppose you can make a hero out of a man like that. But he is no relation to Jesus Christ.
jrkidd3 2 months ago
@jrkidd3 I guess you could call Bevan a national hero. He certainly is thought of highly, as is the NHS. I never said that Jesus was related in any way to Bevan, only that what Bevan did was inspirational and I reckon Jesus would have approved. The BMA, which was the main body of medical professionals that opposed Bevan, today gives it's full support to the NHS.
Bevan was decribing opposition of the BMA as "a squalid political conspiracy," which indeed it was. He used this term in Parliament.
BasilFawlty4444 2 months ago
@jrkidd3 Furthermore, I see your comment "A socialist will lie to achieve his ends." Well, don't all politicians lie and let the people down? Especially American politicans.
The very existence of the Attlee government, and it's status as a landmark reforming government in British history sneers in the face of the concept that socialism is incompatible with democracy and freedom.
I support the fusion of capitalism and socialism. I am thankful for the Attlee government. I am proud of the NHS.
BasilFawlty4444 2 months ago
@BasilFawlty4444 I suppose Jesus would indeed approve of rendering medical aid to any who need it, regardless of their ability to pay. But I doubt very much that he would approve of Bevans methods of character assassination, demonization, lying and bribery. For what it's worth, I don't know why you would single out American politicians, but I don't believe Jesus would have much esteem for most of them either. I do not think He would agree that the end results justifies any means what so ever.
jrkidd3 2 months ago
@jrkidd3 I doubt if Jesus would disapprove of the way Bevan conducted things. The BMA was traditionally reactionary in the face of health reform. It WAS a political conspiracy. Besides, it's just politics - you should see the brutality of the House of Commons!!
To clarify, when Bevan stated that he "stuffed their mouths with gold," he actually made concessions to the doctors. Specifically, instead of a steady wage, doctors would be paid as in private practice - by volume of patients registered.
BasilFawlty4444 2 months ago
@BasilFawlty4444 Honestly, I don't think I can think of a political party anywhere in the world that Jesus would concern himself with overmuch either in support or against. Things of this world he said himself would happen and that there would be tribulation, but He has overcome the world. His concern was the saving of souls, not bodies.
jrkidd3 2 months ago
Respond to this video... So, politics aside, to bring Jesus into the conversation is absurd which ever stance one takes on socialized medicine. Socialist like to use his name as a tool for propaganda. Again, to a socialist, the end results justifies any means. I imagine that if Jesus were to read this conversation he would be more concerned with your soul and mine than who 'wins' this discussion. LOL
jrkidd3 2 months ago
@jrkidd3 I'm not talking about winning the discussion, I'm just saying that my great-grandfather had a point - Jesus cared about the poor, about equality, about caring for others. I know Jesus is above petty human politics, but you must accept that he had a point:
Attlee said
"If a rich man wants to help the poor, he should pay his taxes gladly, not dole out money at a whim,"
Jesus said
"it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
BasilFawlty4444 2 months ago
@BasilFawlty4444 "If a rich man wants to help the poor, he should pay his taxes gladly," assuming that govt. is responsible in it's spending and not overbearing in it's taxation, I agree. Socialist governments are notorious doling out other peoples money on a whim. . As to the quote of Jesus, if you read context a little more you will find that he also said that with man it is impossible but with God all things are possible. Jesus also said it is the heart that defiles a man not his bank account
jrkidd3 2 months ago
@jrkidd3 Just look:
watch?v=5xUy2inkGHQ
As you can see, British politics IS brutal. In all honesty, Bevan describing the BMA as hosting "a squalid political conspiracy" is LIGHT.
BasilFawlty4444 2 months ago
@BasilFawlty4444 LOL, in my country, conservatives are described by the socialist as nazis, warmongers, child haters, racist, homophobic bigots, mean spirited, more dangerous than Al Queda terrorist, idiots, religious nuts, gun toting sexist haters and about a million other disparaging names. This is my personal primary reason for believing that they are evil to the core and I want nothing to do with anything they want.
jrkidd3 2 months ago
@jrkidd3 Don't think ill of me; I'm not comparing Jesus to Attlee, I'm not trying to bring Jesus down to our level. I'm just saying that the socialism of Attlee and Bevan is very Christian.
Again:
Bevan said
"No society can legitimately call itself civilised if a sick person is denied medical aid because of lack of means,"
Jesus said
"But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you."
BasilFawlty4444 2 months ago
@BasilFawlty4444 I have no reason to think ill of you. So far, you have not made a single personal insult or assault (very rare from any one who would support socialism) It may interest you to know that America does not have a 1948 health care system. Not only do we not turn people away from emergency rooms, we spend millions on people who are not even in our country legaly. We have for decades. The current "obamacare' thing is not really about health care, it is about taking over our economy.
jrkidd3 2 months ago
@jrkidd3 As does Britain. The difference is, I don't at all mind paying for the care of all people, whether or not they are British citizens.
Now you say a "wolf in sheep's clothing," but did you know that Churchill described Attlee as "a sheep in sheep's clothing"?
And that's what it was all about. We've never had a real socialist government since, but the Attlee government just reflects the huge overhaul of values that the Second World War brought to the UK - and the optimism for the future.
BasilFawlty4444 2 months ago
Respond to this video... I do not think ill of you. I just disagree with the idea that socialism has anything at all in common with 1st century Christianity. A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf no matter how he tries to make himself look like a sweet little lamb.
jrkidd3 2 months ago
@BasilFawlty4444 "But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you." ... a Christian does that as an individual because it is his nature to do so. Jesus spoke these words to common people, not to governors and rulers of his day as something they should implement as government policy. Why? corruption runs rampant when politicians begin to play Christ.
jrkidd3 2 months ago
@jrkidd3 I doubt if Attlee or Bevan either considered themselves to be playing the role of Christ (only following Jesus' teachings), and I seriously doubt if they were corrupt. It was their intention to make a better society. As Bevan said:
"The purpose of getting power is to be able to give it away."
BasilFawlty4444 2 months ago
Respond to this video... Hey, sorry to break this off, but I have to go for the evening. I will grant you one thing: you have proven yourself capable of civil discourse. You don't have to read very much on you tube post that involve politics to see that is rare. Thank you for that, good night, and God bless.
jrkidd3 2 months ago
@jrkidd3 Yes, goodnight and God bless.
BasilFawlty4444 2 months ago
@jrkidd3 I understand that in the US socialism is a dirty word. But on this side of the pond, it is more acceptable. The Labour Party - which gave us Tony Blair - is VERY moderately socialist, and is one of the top two parties in the country. The current leader, Ed Miliband, is openly socialist.
There is confusion about what socialism means. It is NOT communism. It's about public spending, looking after the average working and middle classes. I think the NHS and the Welfare State show this.
BasilFawlty4444 2 months ago
@jrkidd3 You Americans also seem to have an irrational phobia of socialised medicine; we have it here in Britain and it is a great system. Why do you fear it so much? Why is healthcare for all regardless of wealth and position such a frightening prospect for you?
HufflepuffPrince 3 months ago
@HufflepuffPrince I am sure it is a great system for those who get the freebies, if not for those who are forced to pay for them. Socialists provide only 3 things to the world: Lies, more lies and damn lies. They do this like children playing 'pin the tail on the donkey' (branding people opposed to them with some moralistic supremacy claim) and their favorite tail used to pin others down under their thumbs is "irrational phobia". But for all that, it the tail doesn't fit,it will be rejected
jrkidd3 3 months ago
@jrkidd3 hey, this has been interesting. In you, I find that you are at least not as nuts as Michael Moore. I have enjoyed this, but I have things to do. If you wish to continue later, just post and I will reply when I get back to the house. For now, I have to go.
jrkidd3 3 months ago
@jrkidd3 Nobody gets freebies. Everyone pays their National Insurance and this ensures that everybody gets the care they need without having to worry about crushing medical bills. But I'm not going to try and chnge your mind on Socialism, you're quite obviously very convicted.
HufflepuffPrince 3 months ago
@HufflepuffPrince I just prefer freedom to oppression, and socialized medicine is like a toe in the door of a nations economy that will allow for more and more socialization and oppression to come in until everything is controlled by the government. The reality is that money does not grow on trees. It must be created and there are principles that cannot be overturned for the continued creation of it. Socialism has failed destroyed freedom in every nation that has tried it. gotta go, later
jrkidd3 3 months ago
@jrkidd3 Believe that if you want ut we are in no way "oppressed" by the NHS. But this will be my last comment to you; I do not wish to discuss this issue with a person who is so set on demonising nationalised healthcare. You have listened to your media far too much, I'm afraid.
HufflepuffPrince 3 months ago
@HufflepuffPrince I do not listen to our mainstream media and if you did, you would know that their propagandizing is on your side, not mine. And you, while commenting on your own disdain of Christians because they do not listen to anything but the Bible, have just passed judgement on me from a holier than thou standpoint and refused to hear anything I might say. Does the word HYPOCRITE ring any bells for you? But, you are right, conversation over.
jrkidd3 3 months ago
@HufflepuffPrince Out of curiosity though, in your righteous judgement, which do you find most despicable, rich people who have things you do not, or republicans who would like to see them keep what they have earned?
jrkidd3 3 months ago
*Proverbs 14:31 - "He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. "
yadig2012 7 months ago 9
@yadig2012 I am afraid that they simply do not see the truth in that . :(
The more they oppose jesus. The greater the Christian they profess rto be,. Shameful
RoomMonitor 6 months ago
@yadig2012 Harry Potter 26:24-54, Quoting from provably fanciful fairy tales makes you appear stupid. (Hint....if it has unicorns in it IT'S NOT REAL!)
alienlifeform11 6 months ago
@alienlifeform11 you making this comment makes you appear that you completely missed his point
MrSimon117 6 months ago
@yadig2012 If it was up to Michael Moore, he would oppress the entire country.
jrkidd3 3 months ago
@yadig2012 Willful charity is rewarded. NOT the government taking what I earn at gunpoint. The stupid Libs always forget that that part. Hey Micheal, where is my share of your movie money??
michellelovelace1 2 months ago
The day that this fat fuck has a heart attack and dies America will be better for it.
TheDukeljk 7 months ago
@TheDukeljk
At least if he has a Heart Attack he'll be able to afford the treatment. But FUCKS like you won't.
thomasnasl 7 months ago
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@TheDukeljk "The day that this fat fuck has a heart attack and dies America will be better for it.", ah the land of the free...love it free speech is so well defended by people like you.
bakersteven3 7 months ago
Please stop talking about socialism, trust me, Canada is NOT a "soviet style communist country" and they have universal healthcare coverage.
MrDan401k 7 months ago
Socialist Jesus LOL
As Jesus said, "feed the poor. Or I will send in my diciples with swords and take it by force".
DreamTeamFlims 7 months ago
He should move to Cuba if he had guts.
Ibringthetruth1 8 months ago
@Ibringthetruth1 At least he would get free health care, how about you! Dave a concerned Canadian who gets Health Care!
goleafbudsgo 8 months ago
Zennis1 no i dont know what Socialism means so please educate me. And please explain to me how socialism worked for you in your country? The people that normally talk good about it are those who have not lived in a socialist country so, I would like to know.
javiquin125 9 months ago
We wil be asked "when I was hungry did you feed me" not "when I was hungry to your force someone else at the barrel of a gun (enforced tax code) to hand over their property, keep some for yourself, and give me the rest"
wmh1982 10 months ago
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wmh1982 10 months ago
HA HA I love it how Americans are so fearful of "Socialism" when you know they don't really know what it means!
zennus1 10 months ago
@zennus1 Socialism - The stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
DreamTeamFlims 7 months ago
@DreamTeamFlims Copy & paste from the internet doesn't mean you know what it means.
zennus1 7 months ago
@zennus1 Thats the definition from the Webster's dictionary. Most people use the dictionary to learn and teach what words mean. I also noticed you had no logical response. Just a straw man arguement attacking the poster not the content. Typical of someone favoring the evils of socialism. However feel free to argue the meaning of words with the dictionary if you must. LOL!
DreamTeamFlims 7 months ago
@DreamTeamFlims Wow the aggressive way in which you reply makes my think you have a real chip on your shoulder about this issue, Relax.
zennus1 7 months ago
Great documentary. FOX & even CNN could not find one thing wrong with it - cnn even went as far as making something up (have dr. gupta saying that moore screwed up the numbers w/cuba's paying into their health care) - then when moore called them out on it - they had to appologize (they did so at a much lower viewer time slot). Hey Stefan, watch it once b4 u lie about it. And then find anything in it that is not correct.
Echdrum 10 months ago
Sicko is nothing but a movie for a stupid audience. The fact that Moore could shame us Americans into thinking that by going to a Cuban Communist Potemkin village and extolling the virtues of Socialism with this farce propaganda movie is preposterous. The fact of the matter is that Cuba is a Fascist country and a one part police state. What we Americans have is far far better than the average $20 a month wage. Only the idiot Democrats could be duped by this two bit Communist, Michael Moore.
StefanZ17 10 months ago
I believe doing for others in any capacity is a personal/individual choice. This act is called CHARITY. Charity is NOT a government mandate with a penalty of imprisonment/fines for lack of compliance. So, sorry Michael Moore...youre wrong, and a false teacher. Government imposed confiscation of one's personal property to redistribute to others is NOT charity...its tyranny. To all those liberals out there, give of YOURSELF and stop concerning yourself with what the next guy does.
SeaWolfe59 11 months ago
@SeaWolfe59 He isn't talking about charity; he's talking about rights. There isn't a day that passes where I am not thankful for being Canadian. Of course, I don't believe our health care is perfect.. there is always room for improvement, but I would MUCH rather be Canadian, where seeing a doctor when I'm sick (for free at point of use) is an actual protected and guaranteed right.
ammarios 11 months ago
@ammario
Right. Hes talking about forcing people into a system that a majority of Americans do not want to be a part of. Hes talking about taking away choice and forcing folks to pay into a system where lack of compliance is punishable by fines and imprisonment. What a wonderful "right".
I have a right to health care in my free market.
Two other points:
1. People in Canada often come to the U.S. for medical treatment.
2. Being a Canadian, this in none of your business sir.
SeaWolfe59 11 months ago
@SeaWolfe59 No, you do not have a "right to health care in your free market".. your so-called right is conditional. It is based on whether you have money and how much of it. What a wonderful "right". Also, "the majority" of Americans being against/for it, is a matter of poll-taking, some say one thing, while others say the opposite, and they are all reliable, credible polls. so in truth you have no way of knowing..all you know is what YOU and those you know want, and that is a TINY fraction.
ammarios 11 months ago
@ammarios
You believe everyone should have a government-enforced right to healthcare, making it someone elses responsibility to provide it...penalized by imprisonment for non-compliance. Liberals never want to talk about this part of the argument. If I dont want to participate then I am called a selfish, uncompassionate hater and the goal then is to force me into the system. The end justifies the means. Who cares if I just want to provide for myself. My individual choice is clearly meaningless.
SeaWolfe59 11 months ago
@SeaWolfe59 Also, it IS my business, as it is a video on youtube. It's a global public forum and dialogue, where everyone is entitled to expressing their opinion/views/beliefs which they are (usually entitled to have (as a Canadian, I certainly am).
ammarios 11 months ago
@ammarios
Sure, youre allowed to express your opinion here. But, just as I, out of respect for your sovereign country, have no moral right to affect your politics and culture, you have no moral right to do the same in MY country.
You didnt comment on my point #1. That point says a lot about your country's "right" to health care. Google: "Canadian Premier comes to US for heart surgery". If its so great, why did this man come to my "right-denying" country? There are failures in your system.
SeaWolfe59 11 months ago
RIGHT WING EVANGELICAL POLITICAL MACHINE USES THE BIBLE TO SCARE THE PEOPLE.
WorldIslamicOrder 1 year ago
There aren't many conservatives anymore. The term itself is an Orwellian euphemism for various shades of rightwing personalities (authoritarians, fascists) who seek to legislate their particular brand of prejudice and hatred while enforcing a vast, powerful Police State that is a welfare state for the rich only. What's amazing to see in the US is how routine exposure to corporate "news" has duped so many poor people to rabidly support and defend interest$ that seek to exploit and crush them.
TheeUnidentified 1 year ago
@TheeUnidentified
Are you a Leftist/Liberal? If so, many negatives can be said about your side of the aisle sir. Check your house before you throw those stones.
SeaWolfe59 11 months ago
@SeaWolfe59 - Factual, objective analysis of the American empire, coupled with historic perspective, isn't tantamount to 'throwing stones' ... it only seems that way to those I alluded to in my original posting. And yes, for clarification, within the current lexicon, I am most definitely a liberal/leftist, and have been since my formative yrs.
"Germany lost the second World War, fascism won it." - George Carlin
TheeUnidentified 11 months ago
@TheeUnidentified
So, I identify myself as a Conservative. Show me how I am prejudiced and hateful...and support a vast welfare state for rich people.
And a question that mirrors your statement "there arent many conservatives anymore." Are there any liberals remaining? I dont think so. Your group has been infiltrated by socialists/Marxists/communists. Your side seeks to turn this country into another Europe. Do you not agree?
SeaWolfe59 11 months ago
@SeaWolfe59 Being against universal, Single Payer health care is, in my estimation, indicative of prejudice/immorality. Jesus would be in favor of it, yet so many flag wavin', bible thumpers of today spew venom over the current "health" reform bill (it's a corporate giveaway) that could only be touted as "socialism" in a demented empire dead set against providing basic social safety nets.
As for Libs...yes, but Profit$ Over People culture has shifted many rightward w/o their realizing it.
TheeUnidentified 11 months ago
@TheeUnidentified
Jesus would have been in favor of forcing one to help another via threat of a Roman spear? Would He have condoned using the powerful, forceful hand of the Roman government to force people to comply? Or would He have taken the position that charity is defined as an individual choice made from the heart out of faithfullness to God? I believe the answer is quite clear. I think youre wrong. Btw, are you Christian? And what do you know of the bible?
SeaWolfe59 11 months ago
@SeaWolfe59 We could've avoided ins companies & govt mandates w/Single Payer, but the fascists weren't about to put people ahead of profit$. And even though Jesus didn't live in a corporate state, he would've championed a healthcare system that put people ahead of profits and offered the most to the greatest percentage of the least. Try and dance around that basic fact all you want, but that's the long & short of it, and that's how I perceive Jesus i.e. Cleansing the Temple/Money Changers. Bye..
TheeUnidentified 11 months ago
@TheeUnidentified
Interesting that you have no direct comment on my viewpoint.
Cleansing the temple was to separate money changers from God's house.
I dont believe in socialism as an answer. It enslaves people. There are other solutions that maintain individual liberty.
If youre concerned about the poor, do what we all should do...give. This is what Jesus wants. If you have an extra coat, give it to the naked. If you have extra food, give it to the hungry. Etc.
Pease to you.
SeaWolfe59 11 months ago
Christianity and Capitalism should be mutually exclusive events
wangsta25 1 year ago
and christians have helped the poor more than our govt has ever dreamed of doing!
nlnkorsel 1 year ago
@nlnkorsel
Amen! But, that fact doesnt help the Marxist agenda at hand, now does it. Freedom gives us the power to exercise charity and help others. Government mandates and penalties forcing redistribution of property takes our power away. This argument cannot be broken.
SeaWolfe59 11 months ago
@SeaWolfe59 Well said. Universal healthcare may begin with providing basic healthcare to those who can't afford to pay free-enterprise prices, but it will end with people like you and me dead in a gulag.
shakeystevensVIII 11 months ago
@shakeystevensVIII
Why would someone keep a dead person in a gulag?
prez58 11 months ago
jesus would do it under god not under the govt! and the reason christians dont want it because when govt steps in it makes the problem worse! the only reason every one gets healthcare in socailized healthcare is because then every one is controled by the govt!
nlnkorsel 1 year ago
WHat an idiot yes Yeshuah (Jesus non-pagan name) would give everyone free healthcare BUT! he would do it through his power of God not through the human bureaucratic government and besides its the GOVERNMENTS fault healthcare is so expensive with inflation lawsuits and price fixing i say we get rid of governments and lawyers AND LEAVE IT TO THE DOCTORS AND PACIENTS!
wtfjaftw 1 year ago 3
why should i feed a lazy piece of shit and give him welfare and free medicine when he does nothing to better himself?
killzonerome 1 year ago
@killzonerome Because when 100% of the rest of worlds companies don't have to pay for insurance, they can out price American companies. Our spending on health care keeps becoming a bigger and bigger portion of GDP and makes our economy inefficient. Instead of giving 1 lazy piece of shit preventative medicine we now have 100 broke unemployed people who generate no tax revenue. Good job you dumb piece of shit.
felizpuga 1 year ago
@killzonerome By the same token, why should you pay for the fire brigade to put out a fire in a strangers house?
zoso7889 1 year ago
@killzonerome Wow, you are generalizing everyone in lower class or with money troubles into one simple minded category ("lazy, do nothing to better themselves"). Congratulations, you are now a discompationate selfish 'human' being.
emylleigh 1 year ago
@killzonerome
Uh, really? Why? It's the same reason no one should go to your house to cook and eat you alive. Its not very nice. However, as long as you're saying we all have the freedom to be as big a dick as we want, well, I am feelin a little peckish...
JoeNietzsche 1 year ago
i wish moore would shut his fat ugly whiney fucking mouth
killzonerome 1 year ago
jesus was essentially a communist that is exactly why christianity is regressive. it does not embrace individualism. that is why christians who are politically opposed to socialism creeping in cannot defend it on the basis of christianity. Individualism is the way nature works. Moore is just selling socialism making emotional appeals in the name of jesus. Why can't liberals look at things unemotionally? and they say theirs is an argument based on logic when it is just based on emotions.
Rajputpride 1 year ago
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What is it with Socialists and Communists that they aren't content with having miserable countries run by Socialist and Communist governments that they could go to and enjoy the fruits of those tenets, but instead are compelled to attack and attempt to take away freedom from the U.S. citizen.
If you want Socialism or Communism, go find it. It's out there for you. Leave and don't let the door hit you on the way out. But leave the United States alone.
Omnicronimous 1 year ago
After watching Sicko in the theater i was so distraught and sad with what I saw I actually walked out of the theater and threw up.
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@fxm8kr "After watching Sicko in the theater i was so distraught and sad with what I saw I actually walked out of the theater and threw up."
Did you go to a hospital then? If so, do you have insurance?
bapyou 9 months ago
Some people seem to think that people in UK have no choice. That is totally wrong. There is private and public though by far the majority of people, given this choice, choose the NHS. It is very highly regarded by the public and no party dares to suggest that we do away with "socialized" NHS and force everyone to buy health care or health care insurance privately. It would be political suicide.
hauskalainen 1 year ago
He never shows the bad sides of the other systems, as usual, he is biased and political. I'd prefer if documentaries were less ideological and just showed what's out there, the advantages and disadvantages. I'd really like to know what actually makes health care so expensive. Doctors are expensive, but apparently they account for little of the price.
pppaulo1 1 year ago
@pppaulo1 healt care isn't expensive if you live in europe or australia or canada or any western country. except the usa it seems.
bonza150 1 year ago
Right on!!! You will know them through their works!!!
groovysherrie65 1 year ago 5
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THEValleyGurl16 1 year ago
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is,
the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
- John Kenneth Galbraith
hackit12 1 year ago 36
@hackit12 thats a very good quote, thanks for introducing it to me
maosef 1 year ago 3
@maosef ....
your welcome ... *_*
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-“There’s class warfare, all right,”- Warren Buffett said,
-“but it’s my class, the rich class,
that’s making war, and we’re winning.”-
hackit12 1 year ago 5
I now this guy :) 911 movie the best. true only true
TheTadalafilgenerico 1 year ago 2
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I care about the poor and the weakest in society, just like Jesus.
That's why I'm against socialized medicine!
richardcadbury 1 year ago
@richardcadbury you are another lip christian. no other xtian nation that can afford it has not socialised medicine. americans are lip christians. what america really worships is money. most of the 9/11 murderers where saudis. what have you done about them?
obaokan4 1 year ago 4
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@obaokan4 I'm an atheist and have never been a christian, lip or otherwise.
The scientific method is the only route to medicine that works.
The free market is the only way to deliver the best medicine to the poor.
Socialism seems like it will help, but it actually retards the process.
richardcadbury 1 year ago
@richardcadbury please can you point to an example in western europe where the poor have as bad a treatment as the usa. why is primary and secondary education the police, socialised in the usa? your system costs twice as much as the next most expensive per capita. it reminds me of the gas guzzlers that your countrymen love so much. the basic healthcare is paid for through taxation and most europeans would never countenance your system because of it's wastefulness.
obaokan4 1 year ago 4
@obaokan4 Those are interesting questions, and you deserve a full and detailed set of answers. They can't fit on a comment, so if it's ok with you I'll send you a pm.
richardcadbury 1 year ago
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@richardcadbury Exactly. The free market is the only way to deliver medicine to the poor. Libtards like to make a big deal that there were many people without coverage. But what do they know? And yes, studies show that universal healthcare (socialism) (communism) will retard progress by forfty percent. In the US 10% of the population controls 70% of the wealth - that is the way we like it & that is the way we are going to keep it. And the sooner those goddamn librols realise that the better.
shakeystevensVIII 1 year ago
@shakeystevensVIII were the hell did you get those figures. and if the free market is so good at delivering healthcare then why are so many without it in the good ole u s of a and if thats the way you like then you are a compleat and utter moron. no wonder your country is so fucked up you sad greedy little person.
MrStewart149 1 year ago
@shakeystevensVIII
Socialism communism! lol Your an idiot. You don't even know why you are afraid of those words. Just go's to show you know nothing.
So happy that I do not live in America for where the health insurance is more invested in your money than your own health. $ ;)
tekkamanraven 1 year ago 3
@shakeystevensVIII Many of us Americans don't like that 10% control 70% of the wealth. And if you do, I have no idea why. Unless you're in that 10%.
fuckthedumb1 1 year ago 7
@richardcadbury IF this is true, where is your evidence.Jesus requires" Proper righteous action".You deceive yourelf and appear delussional if markets make some people wealthy and many stay sick and die!! Thankyou
777bal 1 year ago 2
@richardcadbury have yo seen sicko?a nd you should see it it will change your mind!
juanlmesl 1 year ago
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@juanlmesl Yes I have seen sicko twice. It misportrayed the NHS (the healthcare i get as an englishman) and didn't show any of the downsides.
On the plus side, it highlighted a lot of flaws with the American status quo (all of which were the result of unintended consequences of well meaning politicians). On the downside, Moore portrayed these as "market" failures, and recommended yet more unintended consequences.
richardcadbury 1 year ago
Ok..Let's stop working, Government will take care of US. Thanks, liberalism is cool. "God wants US to be free loaders"
amsplg 1 year ago
@amsplg That is not liberalism xD
henkie666666 1 year ago
@amsplg so if you got really sick and couldnt afford your medical bills and wasnt covered by your insurance you think its right for hospitals not to help you?
K5GIXX 1 year ago
the best thing about youtube is the bickering between the people who comment. haha! Too funny, especially those last two guys. :-D
JeanySullivan 1 year ago
Cool! We all really liked the record
MrTadalafil 1 year ago
Yes...we will all go to heaven because we will be forced to be charitable...
Lilbalitzu 1 year ago
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It would be nice if he didnt make things up to make his movies :/
Michael Moore is a hack, he is after his "own piece of the pie" and this a lucriative way for him to get it. Instead of mugging in some alley way, he lurks in lies and deceit waiting for fools to pay to see his movies.
Now on corruption, always has been always will be. Nothing new under the Sun, that is what God as said.
Yes, we are moving to a NWO, already here.
Satan will rule over that soon.
Jesus is Lord of all. Amen.
ighforever 1 year ago
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He's such a liar. All of these people are liars and crooks and thieves. None of their sick control over our lives has anything to do with either Christianity or anything virtuous.
The costs went up because the gov't took over the market. They prevent us from buying and selling freely. They steal from us to make us poor, then give the money to their donors and friends.
Moore plainly lies over and over again. It's disgusting and pathetic. But I guess people love to worship stupidity.
MillionthUsername 1 year ago
Jesus never insinuated that the Roman government was suoposed to provide health insurance for anyone.
1P2abc 1 year ago
Hmmm.... Jesus wasn't exactly a fan of the Roman government. In case you forgot, you know, the killing him thing.
ZacksEnder 1 year ago
@MillionthUsername
YOU LIE
ITS ALL LIES
LIES I TELL YOU, LIES!
iloveinfantiphagia 1 year ago
Costs went up because Kaiser Permanente established a revolutionary health care system that allowed them to trim expenses by denying care-- they called them "incentives."
The Government had not touched the system before this. It happened under Nixon, and its been that way ever since.
Privately owned insurance companies have turned the system of health care into a for-profit one. This is simply wrong and backwards. Healthcare should be non-profit. Period.
ZacksEnder 1 year ago
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"The Government had not touched the system before this."
On which planet?
"Healthcare should be non-profit. Period."
If you lived in a free country you could establish such an institution with people who were like-minded.
MillionthUsername 1 year ago
Also, both Blue Cross and Blue Shield started in 1929 as tax-exempt insurers of teachers and miner/lumber yard works respectively. In political jargon, that means "socialized."
Basically, only a few decades ago we had "socialized medicine" and, surprise surprise, it worked.
ZacksEnder 1 year ago
"In political jargon, that means "socialized."
No, that would be voluntary association. The political means of organization is by force and fraud. When edicts are issued to everyone with threats of violence and punishment attached, THAT is "socialized medicine".
Do you understand the difference between liberty and coercion?
In a free society, you are FREE to form mutual insurance or other non-profit institutions by voluntary means.
The state, however, uses brute force *against* you.
MillionthUsername 1 year ago
Problem being that in an economically free society non-profit and for-profit health insurance cannot coexist. Why? Because the for-profits buy out the non-profits. =\
ZacksEnder 1 year ago
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Insurance is not rocket science. The profit margin would fall like a rock with free entry into this niche. Thus, it would most likely be the other way around!
Investment money will seek higher returns elsewhere, and this health insurance business will be nothing more than a large club with benefits for dues paying members.
But God forbid that people should be free and find better uses for all those trillions of dollars, right? : )
MillionthUsername 1 year ago
Do you really think any company in USA can compete in a free market?
If you really had a free market all your jobs should go to India or China, except low pay jobs for immigrants, they who can't pay the doctors.
bbatnorsborg 1 year ago
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Why would all jobs go to India or China if we had a free market? I don't really understand what you're trying to say. You mean health related jobs in particular or are you trying to make a general statement about economics?
A free society is always more prosperous than those who are subjugated precisely because they are free and unburdened by tyrannical forces. The division of labor explodes when people are allowed to keep the fruit of their labor and engage in voluntary exchange.
MillionthUsername 1 year ago
@MillionthUsername I understood you as you will have a free market without regulations so you can sell your stuff as you like.
But a free market is also to enable import of stuff from low cost countries without regulations, and if that happens you can close down all your factories.
You are right about the driving force (profit) , but some regulations is needed to stop it from running out of control due to greed.
And USA can't compete in labor cost so you need import regulations.
bbatnorsborg 1 year ago
There is a worldwide division of labor. That is why exports and imports exist. It doesn't matter who is best at making what. It only frees up other people to provide other goods and services.
Markets are self-regulating. The only "greed" to be feared is the greed of those who use illegitimate gov't power to attack the free market in order to enrich themselves and their friends. Gov't regulation is designed to do precisely this. Banking and health care are two of the most egregious examples.
MillionthUsername 1 year ago
@MillionthUsername I don't know enough about whats going on inside USA to argue with you on all details, but what I have seen, your banks really fucked up and was on the brink of bankrupt, so the Government had to save their greedy asses.
The self regulation is a factor you will not see, since it means that the dollar will drop in value until there is balance between import/export.
You can't just trust gov't issued monopolies like patents forever to hold competition away. (and extreme prizes)
bbatnorsborg 1 year ago
The banking system is a gov't created cartel. It is not a free market institution. It's a legalized counterfeiting ring. The gov't is able to steal from people by devaluing the currency, and the banks reap profits from the scheme by charging interest on credit they create out of nothing.
I meant that self-regulation is a feature of FREE markets. When gov't "regulates," it uses monopoly power to control and redistribute wealth production. If any fiat currency faced competition, it would fold.
MillionthUsername 1 year ago
@bbatnorsborg that's not true you piece of shit. in china they use hundreds of workers on a production line and pay them like crap. in america we use 1 machine which costs less to run and is operated by a highly skilled worker who is worth infinately more than a chinese motherfucker.
raptor2391 1 year ago
@raptor2391 Since you call me "piece of shit" , you show you are a useless motherfucker that can't argue..
What make you think an American worker have more skill then a Chinese.
Are you talking about the mass of fat per person or what they really learn excluding bible readings. You seems to think USA is the only developed country that are using machines. Your country has far to many IP-lawyers and religious cults to have a chance in the new time where research and development must go very fast.
bbatnorsborg 1 year ago
Guess this jackass doesn't understand that you don't rob Peter to pay Paul. There is nothing funnier than a godless liberal trying to invoke scripture into a debate. Just ask Nancy Pelosi and her made up bible verse she tries to pass off to "guilt" Christians. Liberals are such morons and mocking them is just soooo easy.
Renagle2005 2 years ago
Actually redistribution of wealth is a Capitalist concept. Adam Smith argued in the Wealth of Nations in book 1 chapter 8 that the wealthy need to pay a greater % of their wealth to society than the average person
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
You realize that Adam Smith was niether creator nor definor of capitalism, right? Smith just wrote a book on it. Capitalism existed since the moment someone said, "Give me spear! Me give basket!" In fact, a quick wiki search shows me Greko-Roman Capitalism, and a host of different capitalist theories, including that of Smith, Rand, Keynes, etc. Cpitalism is just, "an economic system based on private ownership of capital." If Smith really said that % thing, he wasn't advocating Capitalism.
Shreger 1 year ago
He is one intelligent motherfucker
MsTommyknocker 2 years ago
The wonders of the patriot act... Michael Moore is a patriot who acts!
KyndestKid 2 years ago
oaguardian 2 questions: 1: why is ok for UK taxpayers to fund US Kraft foods to take over UK confectioner Cadburys..7 billion quid.
2: place i live is privatey owned so no repairs and health safety breaches making me ill..i saw a doctor today concerned about my health..he never sent me a bill..how ironic..
radicalsystems 2 years ago
if its a joke then why do us citizens go to canda for healthcare
radicalsystems 2 years ago
They come to Canada for healthcare?
In order to get Canadian heath care at the Canadian cost, they'd have to get a provincial health card, and that means living in that porvince. Which, in turn, means they're leaving the US permanently, and as such, I think there's bigger reasons than just helth care for why they come to Canada.
And if they really move to Canada, then they're paying taxes, and that means they're still paying for care.
Just slightly less money...
For a whole lot worse care...
Shreger 2 years ago
yeaj that syatem that dumps people onto streets when they cant pay the hospital bills
radicalsystems 2 years ago
its all about why sgould give a damn about someone else..and consumerism but its not....
radicalsystems 2 years ago
because healthcare isnt a product...
radicalsystems 2 years ago
yeah its like US food giant Kraft foods buying up UK company Cadbuty and getting Royal Bank of Scotland ie UK taxpayer to fund the takeover..thats what the us has been doing for years..
radicalsystems 2 years ago
hahaha..ive heard this crap too..check this:
"The United States is a fair society. We guarantee equal opportunity to everyone. What we
don't guarantee is equal results. That isn't fairness, that's socialism." so fairness is ok in principle as long as it dont happen as its evil.
so democracy=fairness=socialism=evil
radicalsystems 2 years ago
care is what its all about..care NOT profit...
radicalsystems 2 years ago
yes agree..long live NHS
radicalsystems 2 years ago
long live NHS...
radicalsystems 2 years ago
well said...
radicalsystems