I suppose the closest things would be self employed people, or perhaps professions such as artist, or things whereby your job and real life have blurred lines.
but the point isn't really whether you will have to work like that ever again but more if you need to during school years. I think the value of homework is to recap over things so you don't just do them once in class and then leave it over the weekend or all of a break
My g-daughter's school district has adopted a college curriculum. K. starts with homework every night, and weekend assignments. 1st g.: 2 books a night, and site words. But, she has to be able to spell them. She knows them by site. She is already getting burned out on school. And they will be ramping up as the year progresses. Pretty pathetic IMO. There is so much going on in class, the teachers all need a TA just to get it all in. Kids are gonna 'esplode' before they get in middle school.
As a teacher I completely disagree with other teachers who say that homework is for 'fitting in all of the other stuff they couldn't fit into lessons'. I teach Year 5 (9-10 year olds), and for me the purpose of homework isn't to learn anything new but for children to apply the learning they have done throughout the week to problems and challenges which allows them to work independently and check to see whether they really understand what they have learnt.
I droppedout of highschool in the begining of my senior year but only because I was bored of school. Never had any troubles with grades. In fact, when I worked, I did marvelous work. I just had the toughest time giving a fuck or finding a challenge. I could count on my fingers the hours I spent on homework in all my highschool and middleschool years. I think society over rates schools. I don't think graduates haven't accomplished anything but I just think it's over prioritised.
I don't like homework.... but it isn't busy work. Yes I agree there is such thing as too much. But i do not think that one hours worth of homework per class is too much. I will be honest.. if i did most of my homework, I would know the material better. So... i guess it's give and take.
You know, in China they focus on long hours of school, study, research, and homework, but in Finland, however, they focus on LESS hours of school-related work. Guess what? Finland is practically at the top of the list of all the countries in the world when it comes to overall education ranking.
@tobiosnmakky No, not at all. China has excellent scores, BUT a lot of that can be explained by the fact that it's not an evenly based education system. They determine the kids' education by how well they do in school. If you're not one of the kids in the top tier of the class, then you'll be working in the labor force. It's not just China, but other Asian countries adopt this method as well. The kids that make it are the "geniuses" who are completely inundated with schoolwork, which is a shame.
Dude, your videos deserve so many more views, They're the kind of videos that make people think about their own opinions on subjects you talk about, but you don't drag on what you're trying to say for like 8 minutes, so it's nice.
my professors in college said that for every hour of class time spent in the class (per week), five hours of studying per week should be expected and given to that class alone. Not to mention that i took seventeen credit hours. that would suck each week if that actually happened. :(
my professors in college said that for every hour of class time spent in the class (per week), five hours of studying per week should be expected and given to that class alone. Not to mention that i took seventeen credit hours. that would suck each week if that actually happened. :(
my professors in college said that for every hour of class time spent in the class (per week), five hours of studying per week should be expected and given to that class alone. Not to mention that i took seventeen credit hours. that would suck each week if that actually happened. :(
I agree that homework can be excessively assigned but I do still think it's really important. I just think people need to not over-assign it. Math is a great example. I did not excel at math until I committed to doing the homework required. Like in many other areas, there is simply no way to excel without practice (doing lots of different math problems) or preparation (like reading before going to class to discuss). So I don't object to homework in theory. I just object to it being excessive.
I disagree with your thought about homework when you said "It must be good or we wouldn't have done it in the first place". If that phrase was used on another topic it could be totally false. That being said, I do agree it's a good thing and I agree with there being too much and not being on times meant for rest.
I was home schooled, so life was homework. So I come from a different standpoint. My conclusion is this society is lazy and therefore teachers give more work out of class than in.
PFAHAHA at a minimum? I'm in one of those fancy rich neighborhoods, and I never did more than an hour a week, excluding my AP Lit papers, and getting into college wasn't a huge problem. I don;t think a solid ratio is possible to reach, but "required" homework should never exceed a few hours per week. It's not like we're not studying
i do online school so there are no pointless homework assignments. All of my assignments and quizzes are organized, straight to the point, and on topic thus i don't feel like any of my time is wasted.
@untikati most of my classes next semester are online, I'm hoping to have the same experience as you. I've never actually taken a class online before, so I'm jumping in with both feet having all but one class be online.
I'm in school for 9 and a half hours. I was told when I first came to my school that since I was in school for so long, I would have less homework than a typical school. I wish I had seen the fine lining. Though we don't have a 1-1 school to homework time ratio, I have about 3 hours of homework a night. Well, if I do all my homework I should have.... about an hour to do what I want. Then I have to go to bed, because school starts at 6:30 the next morning.
it's so funny to hear people say that teachers "just want to make it difficult for difficulties sake" i know many many people who teach, and not one of them feels this way. they understand students have lives, but they are trying to help the students meet goals, goals of the university, goals of the course, career goals, that many students may not even realize are in play.
and yeah, in my class, if you pay attention in lecture, you probably wouldn't need to read the book.
@anuitblanche1 in all likelihood it's not the teachers who are making it difficult for students, but rather the system at large which is imposing more rigorous educational goals without providing an *effective* framework and methodology to carry out and meet those goals.
I do think there are some teachers who needlessly unload their own ineptitude onto students via homework though, I've been privy to that sort of abuse in my past.
the only reason i think homework for gradeschool kids is good, is because it allows parents (or forces parents) to take a role in their kids education. i don't think they should be overloaded, but a little is good for them. plus,it will help build attention and individual working skills.
@anuitblanche1 I agree with the notion of having parents involved in the education process, but unfortunately I just don't see homework actually accomplishing this task. What I see more often is parents sending their children t their rooms to finish the homework assigned, and not even checking or going over things.
Our educational system has become an institutional babysitter for many kids, thereby allowing parents to be completely out of the loop without consequence.
Hey Bobby! I feel like i should comment on this, given i agree with the 1 hr per credit rule...actually i tell them for every credit you're signed up for, you should be doing 3 hours per week of reading... but that's for college, where many students sleep through lecture, or facebook during lecture, etc etc... if everyone was paying full attention, and really giving it their all for the whole lecture, I wouldn't need to put such emphasis on doing work at home.
@anuitblanche1 I guess I was never one of those people who could sleep through lecture, I always found that to be the most engaging portion of classes. Also, I feel that it really depends on the subject matter, the professor that told me that was teaching technical theatre, a class which didn't actually HAVE a reading component at all, but required a bit of out of class drafting and design work.
This video is dense with ideas. (as usual). some scattered thoughts.
1. I found it on Google +. So that's a point in its favor.
2. People who do physical work get to go home. People who do knowledge work have computers, blackberrys, iPhones, iPads, Androids etc. which means work follows them home. They indeed have homework.
3. time on homework in school should be variable, not constant. I'd be curious to see how doing away with it works out.
4. I had homework all through school. Think it helped.
@mickeleh I'm glad you found this video somewhere as it is clear that scheduling the publish time on my videos is NOT working out. My last three videos combined have less views than the previous video, which didn't even get my average number of viewers. Something is dramatically wrong with the subscription pages/homefeed on YT.
Prior to making this video I didn't really think about all the smartphone enabled users, but I also live by the idea that if you like what you do, it isn't work.
@mickeleh (part2) Generally I feel like the people who are always connected with their jobs are the people who usually enjoy what they do. This is probably a naive way of viewing the workplace, I'm sure there are a great percentage of people who hate what they do and are still forced to have their work follow them wherever they go.
yes I did plenty of homework in school, and still a fair amount in university. but considering that a pritty high persentage of my scocial interaction was at school I don't know if it interfeared that much.
I think it's true that if you are going to work in a trade, that hours of homework might not be beneficial to you, however I went to really tough schools and had lots of homework and I don't think it was too much. I am out of college now and have yet to start a career, but I give myself homework all the time. I've learned to always enjoy learning new things.
I know I regularly spend 5 hours a day on homework during the school year. It's a bit much. I go to a very rigorous private school, and sometimes I think they just want to make it difficult for difficulty's sake, which isn't right. I'm going to be a senior this year, and we have a new principal, so hope there's a slight reduction of homework low.
I was homeschooled for most of my childhood and went to high school for only 3 and a half years.
I must say I have always detested "homework". I hated doing homework so much I dropped out of highschool completely. Now I speak 3 languages and currently work in a zoo where I talk about koalas and kangaroos all day, so it's not like I failed life by quitting school.
I do research for work, learning about any new animals we have and developing presentations, so that's my homework these days.
College is a different monster all together, generally in order to do well you need to do homework, but most teachers will put that responsibility on you. I think majors probably would need some homework to make sure they know the concepts (or can improve, like in art classes), but most gen eds probably don't need mandatory homework.
I don't think some homework is a bad thing (english classes need you to read the novel outside of class, & study vocab if you don't know it - which also works for foreign language, a few math exercises to reinforce the concepts, some science/ history reading to back up the notes, ect), but having strictly graded homework is kind of BS. Unless you have a project to finish, or you need to study to do well, homework should be to back up what you're learning, not mandatory in school (but not uni).
Another good example would be teachers. If you're planning on being an english teacher, and taking lots of english classes, then they're probably going to give you lots of homework, because as a teacher, your going to probably have homework of your own, like grading papers/essays (its unlikely you'll be able to get though a hundred papers in your school day), lesson plans, power points, ect.
I am college now, and my homework load is much less than it was in elementary school. It seems like it should be the opposite right? I remember coming home from school at doing homework until my parents wouldn't let me do homework anymore because they wanted me to go to bed, IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL! I think that young kids will get a lot more out of playing outside and being with their families/friends than they will out of doing math and english homework.
I know when professional artist have a commission or a deadline to meet (like say you're a graphic designer who works for a larger company, at the company office building) you have to get your work done, whether you get it done at the office or not (you should be working all day when there) it has to be done by that deadline. For art majors they apply the same principal to the classes, do you work in class and if its not done get it done after class.
@lightanddarklove I feel like there is a difference between being paid salary/commission and needing to COMPLETE a job, and the homework paradigm. In the homework paradigm we are given separate unique assignments to be completed specifically at home, rather than simply finishing that which we couldn't have finished at the office.
It'd be like giving and artist two different jobs, one for the office, and one for home and requiring they both get completed for full compensation.
I'm not sure that we need less homework so much as we need better homework. I've always been a learn-by-doing kind of guy, so homework was always an essential part of my learning process. If I hadn't had a lot of homework to do, I wouldn't have learned much in school.
@justinhabit I think it's just a matter of how you learn, which is why homework shouldn't count towards one's grade. I think students know if they have to do homework to pass a class. Not doing homework and still knowing the content shouldn't be discouraged!
@lidlurch But the thing is if in a math course for instance if the homework wasn't going to be collected I , personally, usually wouldnt do it and would do homework that was was being collected and would not do as well on the assessments as I could have done. By collecting the homework, there's more of an incentive to revise and not just assume you know because you were in class that day.
I'm ancient I was in grade and high school in the late 60s&70s. I usually had about 1.5 to 2hrs a night of stuff after grade 5 - virtually nothing prior to that.
I think you're frustrated by the firehose approach to homework. Johnny and Janey are learning how to multiply fractions. Janey's got it by the end of the day. No sweat. Johnny's not getting it. Can the teacher say "Johnny, tonight you have to do two pages and and we'll talk tomorrow. Janey, you're good."? Of course not because
@quackdamnu Johnny's parents will call and say WTF? So EVERYONE goes home with the same homework. Janey blasts through it before dinner and Johnny struggles into the night. In an ideal world, teaching = tutoring - finding strengths and make them stronger and find weaknesses and shore them up.
In the IT industry homework is called "Professional Development" - read articles, stay up to date on technology and you're get that promotion. Sit there saying "train me" and, well, you'll sit there.
@quackdamnu part of the issue I think is the poor student/teacher ratios. There aren't enough teachers to really give the proper care to each students. So there really isn't a chance for a teacher to assign individual students different levels of homework.
My impression of the "homework" you've described here is really just being interested, engaged, and involved in your work. The old saying of "it isn't work if you enjoy it" seems to apply here, but maybe not, I'm not in IT anymore...
As of sixth grade, my friends and I have came up with the idea of be classes for people who are smart, but also seriously lazy and/or just learn differently.
This belief has stayed with us for the past eight years or so and we still wish someone would step up and make them... not us though, we're to lazy to work on that...
I never did my homework, but I got hundreds on my tests and could bs my way out of zeros, so I got along fine. Now, I still don't do homework, at least not at home.
I believe we do need homework to a point because in my experience just because of the kind of learner I am, I won't understand math unless I do homework but after a certain point I get it and I don't need to do it for hours on end. We also need to read novels at home like you said. But when I took APUSH there was so much reading assigned but little of the material was ever tested but it would take at least 2 hours to read each chapter and that's when the chapter was interesting...
when I was a kid yeah they gave me a lot of homework
and yes now that I have a job of me taking home paper work every once in a blue moon so yeah I guess so though I'm not making my kids do homework house work yeah bot home work no.
I think that homework should be optional. It's fine by me if the teachers assign it, but some kids just learn differently. For instance, I've known kids who don't do any homework and ace the tests. Why? They learn differently. Now one may say that some kids just won't do the work because they don't have to. My guess is that they are the kids who wouldn't do the homework in the first place and fail the class anyways. Those that would normally do it would, because they want a good grade.
@lidlurch I was one of those kids who would fail courses because of homework, yet would ace any test on the subject material. I try and pick my college courses based on this knowledge.
I benefit more from student/teacher interaction and testing, homework was always completely useless for me in learning.
@themefund For me, I know what I know, and practice what I don't know. So, if I don't have to do the homework, I just don't. Isn't that how college is? I mean, the professors don't collect homework, do they?
I am a student in highschool and i failed algerbra 2 once because the teacher graded homework very strictly and gave so much of it that i could not do all of it let alone any of my other hw from other classes. this year i retook algebra 2 and got a 93 because my new teacher didnt grade homework. homework to me is useless.
@Pnasalberta I failed Algebra 2 three times because of homework, I was the only one in the course who scored consistently above a 90% on tests, but also consistently failed the course.
I'm against homewrok. When I was in elementary school I went on a homework strike, but my parents beat that idea out of me. (Times have changed, they'd probably be arested nowadays).
As to professionals not doing homework, well I'm an engineer now, and instead of homework I do unpaid overtime evenings and weekends so as to meet deadlines that I have no control over.
@Ape65 theoretically though: you could finish that work without the overtime, it's just tough so it spills over into real life. It's not mandatory, just less stressful I'm guessing?
@Ape65 No. We work according to project deadlines, so there are times when I have work evenings, weekends and sometime even holidays to get things done in time to meet our deadlines. Case in point, I'm going into the office tomorrow & probably putting in at least 8hr without pay. (Today's a holiday where I live and I didn't go to the office only because I'm exhausted and slept much of the day).
@Ape65 I'm assuming you work on salary not hourly rates? In that case, there really isn't such a thing as overtime, and anyone who has worked on salary has known that upfront...
Now if you worked on an hourly rate, and they weren't paying you for this extra time, then you have a problem on your hands.
Either way, I think this might classify as "homework" in the professional world, so thank you for being an example for me.
@themefund My employer keeps on switching me from salary when there's lots of work to hourly when there's little work. I don't mind the occasional overtime when we need to meet a deadline, but we have some clients where *every* project turns into a deadline panic because they're so badly defined and the client imposes so many changes. I hope I don't sound too negative, I'm in the middle of one of those nightmare projects right now.
I'm still a student, I do just as many homework as I feel I need to to keep an average mark aroune 80%. Or, if one day I don't feel like working too hard, I just relax at school and do the work I was supposed to the next day at home. But my teachers don't give many homework, especially my math teacher who keeps telling us not to do more than we need to get the marks we want (or need).
@ohaitracy homework over the holidays was always the thing that pissed me off the most about the whole system. It's called HOLIDAY for a reason, I shouldn't need to think about school/work/"real life" for awhile, I just want to get away.
I HATE HOMEWORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whew.
OldMama505 1 month ago
teachers have alot of preparation to the lessons they're going to give ;)
maankindj 1 month ago
whats the thing with your head?
iwins3 3 months ago
I suppose the closest things would be self employed people, or perhaps professions such as artist, or things whereby your job and real life have blurred lines.
but the point isn't really whether you will have to work like that ever again but more if you need to during school years. I think the value of homework is to recap over things so you don't just do them once in class and then leave it over the weekend or all of a break
tobiosnmakky 4 months ago
also YES I definitely have a lot of homework (plus college apps...)
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I was definitely doing my homework while watching this
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@wytherwings ftw
tobiosnmakky 4 months ago
My g-daughter's school district has adopted a college curriculum. K. starts with homework every night, and weekend assignments. 1st g.: 2 books a night, and site words. But, she has to be able to spell them. She knows them by site. She is already getting burned out on school. And they will be ramping up as the year progresses. Pretty pathetic IMO. There is so much going on in class, the teachers all need a TA just to get it all in. Kids are gonna 'esplode' before they get in middle school.
no1stunada 4 months ago
hobo
skyjermaine 5 months ago
Hey take that shit off your forehead...I can't concentrate on what your saying!!!!!!!!
doctoc30 6 months ago
As a teacher I completely disagree with other teachers who say that homework is for 'fitting in all of the other stuff they couldn't fit into lessons'. I teach Year 5 (9-10 year olds), and for me the purpose of homework isn't to learn anything new but for children to apply the learning they have done throughout the week to problems and challenges which allows them to work independently and check to see whether they really understand what they have learnt.
eskimokid 6 months ago
I droppedout of highschool in the begining of my senior year but only because I was bored of school. Never had any troubles with grades. In fact, when I worked, I did marvelous work. I just had the toughest time giving a fuck or finding a challenge. I could count on my fingers the hours I spent on homework in all my highschool and middleschool years. I think society over rates schools. I don't think graduates haven't accomplished anything but I just think it's over prioritised.
NemesisKult 6 months ago
.... homework is how you learn......
I don't like homework.... but it isn't busy work. Yes I agree there is such thing as too much. But i do not think that one hours worth of homework per class is too much. I will be honest.. if i did most of my homework, I would know the material better. So... i guess it's give and take.
vlogtag 7 months ago
You know, in China they focus on long hours of school, study, research, and homework, but in Finland, however, they focus on LESS hours of school-related work. Guess what? Finland is practically at the top of the list of all the countries in the world when it comes to overall education ranking.
Kizales 7 months ago
@Kizales are you saying China is not?
tobiosnmakky 4 months ago
@tobiosnmakky No, not at all. China has excellent scores, BUT a lot of that can be explained by the fact that it's not an evenly based education system. They determine the kids' education by how well they do in school. If you're not one of the kids in the top tier of the class, then you'll be working in the labor force. It's not just China, but other Asian countries adopt this method as well. The kids that make it are the "geniuses" who are completely inundated with schoolwork, which is a shame.
Kizales 4 months ago
Teachers have to take work home......Also many times people can't complete the work needed to be done at work and bring it home to do it......
Ribij 7 months ago
i apologize that my comment posted three times. that must have been a glitch because i posted once. sorry! lol.
BlueSkyes17 7 months ago
Dude, your videos deserve so many more views, They're the kind of videos that make people think about their own opinions on subjects you talk about, but you don't drag on what you're trying to say for like 8 minutes, so it's nice.
Tl;dr: Cool video man.
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my professors in college said that for every hour of class time spent in the class (per week), five hours of studying per week should be expected and given to that class alone. Not to mention that i took seventeen credit hours. that would suck each week if that actually happened. :(
BlueSkyes17 7 months ago
my professors in college said that for every hour of class time spent in the class (per week), five hours of studying per week should be expected and given to that class alone. Not to mention that i took seventeen credit hours. that would suck each week if that actually happened. :(
BlueSkyes17 7 months ago
my professors in college said that for every hour of class time spent in the class (per week), five hours of studying per week should be expected and given to that class alone. Not to mention that i took seventeen credit hours. that would suck each week if that actually happened. :(
BlueSkyes17 7 months ago
I agree that homework can be excessively assigned but I do still think it's really important. I just think people need to not over-assign it. Math is a great example. I did not excel at math until I committed to doing the homework required. Like in many other areas, there is simply no way to excel without practice (doing lots of different math problems) or preparation (like reading before going to class to discuss). So I don't object to homework in theory. I just object to it being excessive.
splicegrrl 7 months ago
school = prison. so glad I've been out for years now
LibertarianChristian 7 months ago
couldn't agree more.
fecklessman 7 months ago
for the architect my uncle works at home A LOT of the time. buuuuttt that may be because he has is own architecture firm
Unholyspaghetti 7 months ago
Ironically it's teachers who end up with "homework" in their profession. All that homework they assign has to be marked
jpoloh 7 months ago
I disagree with your thought about homework when you said "It must be good or we wouldn't have done it in the first place". If that phrase was used on another topic it could be totally false. That being said, I do agree it's a good thing and I agree with there being too much and not being on times meant for rest.
I was home schooled, so life was homework. So I come from a different standpoint. My conclusion is this society is lazy and therefore teachers give more work out of class than in.
riverofsticks 7 months ago
PFAHAHA at a minimum? I'm in one of those fancy rich neighborhoods, and I never did more than an hour a week, excluding my AP Lit papers, and getting into college wasn't a huge problem. I don;t think a solid ratio is possible to reach, but "required" homework should never exceed a few hours per week. It's not like we're not studying
KingSevault 7 months ago
i do online school so there are no pointless homework assignments. All of my assignments and quizzes are organized, straight to the point, and on topic thus i don't feel like any of my time is wasted.
untikati 7 months ago 3
@untikati most of my classes next semester are online, I'm hoping to have the same experience as you. I've never actually taken a class online before, so I'm jumping in with both feet having all but one class be online.
themefund 7 months ago
I'm in school for 9 and a half hours. I was told when I first came to my school that since I was in school for so long, I would have less homework than a typical school. I wish I had seen the fine lining. Though we don't have a 1-1 school to homework time ratio, I have about 3 hours of homework a night. Well, if I do all my homework I should have.... about an hour to do what I want. Then I have to go to bed, because school starts at 6:30 the next morning.
framk20SH 7 months ago
it's so funny to hear people say that teachers "just want to make it difficult for difficulties sake" i know many many people who teach, and not one of them feels this way. they understand students have lives, but they are trying to help the students meet goals, goals of the university, goals of the course, career goals, that many students may not even realize are in play.
and yeah, in my class, if you pay attention in lecture, you probably wouldn't need to read the book.
anuitblanche1 7 months ago
@anuitblanche1 in all likelihood it's not the teachers who are making it difficult for students, but rather the system at large which is imposing more rigorous educational goals without providing an *effective* framework and methodology to carry out and meet those goals.
I do think there are some teachers who needlessly unload their own ineptitude onto students via homework though, I've been privy to that sort of abuse in my past.
themefund 7 months ago
this is andie btw
anuitblanche1 7 months ago
@anuitblanche1 hi!
themefund 7 months ago
the only reason i think homework for gradeschool kids is good, is because it allows parents (or forces parents) to take a role in their kids education. i don't think they should be overloaded, but a little is good for them. plus,it will help build attention and individual working skills.
anuitblanche1 7 months ago
@anuitblanche1 I agree with the notion of having parents involved in the education process, but unfortunately I just don't see homework actually accomplishing this task. What I see more often is parents sending their children t their rooms to finish the homework assigned, and not even checking or going over things.
Our educational system has become an institutional babysitter for many kids, thereby allowing parents to be completely out of the loop without consequence.
themefund 7 months ago
Hey Bobby! I feel like i should comment on this, given i agree with the 1 hr per credit rule...actually i tell them for every credit you're signed up for, you should be doing 3 hours per week of reading... but that's for college, where many students sleep through lecture, or facebook during lecture, etc etc... if everyone was paying full attention, and really giving it their all for the whole lecture, I wouldn't need to put such emphasis on doing work at home.
anuitblanche1 7 months ago
@anuitblanche1 I guess I was never one of those people who could sleep through lecture, I always found that to be the most engaging portion of classes. Also, I feel that it really depends on the subject matter, the professor that told me that was teaching technical theatre, a class which didn't actually HAVE a reading component at all, but required a bit of out of class drafting and design work.
themefund 7 months ago
This video is dense with ideas. (as usual). some scattered thoughts.
1. I found it on Google +. So that's a point in its favor.
2. People who do physical work get to go home. People who do knowledge work have computers, blackberrys, iPhones, iPads, Androids etc. which means work follows them home. They indeed have homework.
3. time on homework in school should be variable, not constant. I'd be curious to see how doing away with it works out.
4. I had homework all through school. Think it helped.
mickeleh 7 months ago
@mickeleh I'm glad you found this video somewhere as it is clear that scheduling the publish time on my videos is NOT working out. My last three videos combined have less views than the previous video, which didn't even get my average number of viewers. Something is dramatically wrong with the subscription pages/homefeed on YT.
Prior to making this video I didn't really think about all the smartphone enabled users, but I also live by the idea that if you like what you do, it isn't work.
(cont)
themefund 7 months ago
@mickeleh (part2) Generally I feel like the people who are always connected with their jobs are the people who usually enjoy what they do. This is probably a naive way of viewing the workplace, I'm sure there are a great percentage of people who hate what they do and are still forced to have their work follow them wherever they go.
themefund 7 months ago
yes I did plenty of homework in school, and still a fair amount in university. but considering that a pritty high persentage of my scocial interaction was at school I don't know if it interfeared that much.
NeilSonOfNorbert 7 months ago
I think it's true that if you are going to work in a trade, that hours of homework might not be beneficial to you, however I went to really tough schools and had lots of homework and I don't think it was too much. I am out of college now and have yet to start a career, but I give myself homework all the time. I've learned to always enjoy learning new things.
FaeryFaith 8 months ago
I know I regularly spend 5 hours a day on homework during the school year. It's a bit much. I go to a very rigorous private school, and sometimes I think they just want to make it difficult for difficulty's sake, which isn't right. I'm going to be a senior this year, and we have a new principal, so hope there's a slight reduction of homework low.
wellmakesmokesignals 8 months ago
I was homeschooled for most of my childhood and went to high school for only 3 and a half years.
I must say I have always detested "homework". I hated doing homework so much I dropped out of highschool completely. Now I speak 3 languages and currently work in a zoo where I talk about koalas and kangaroos all day, so it's not like I failed life by quitting school.
I do research for work, learning about any new animals we have and developing presentations, so that's my homework these days.
suse8138 8 months ago
College is a different monster all together, generally in order to do well you need to do homework, but most teachers will put that responsibility on you. I think majors probably would need some homework to make sure they know the concepts (or can improve, like in art classes), but most gen eds probably don't need mandatory homework.
lightanddarklove 8 months ago
I don't think some homework is a bad thing (english classes need you to read the novel outside of class, & study vocab if you don't know it - which also works for foreign language, a few math exercises to reinforce the concepts, some science/ history reading to back up the notes, ect), but having strictly graded homework is kind of BS. Unless you have a project to finish, or you need to study to do well, homework should be to back up what you're learning, not mandatory in school (but not uni).
lightanddarklove 8 months ago
Another good example would be teachers. If you're planning on being an english teacher, and taking lots of english classes, then they're probably going to give you lots of homework, because as a teacher, your going to probably have homework of your own, like grading papers/essays (its unlikely you'll be able to get though a hundred papers in your school day), lesson plans, power points, ect.
lightanddarklove 8 months ago
I am college now, and my homework load is much less than it was in elementary school. It seems like it should be the opposite right? I remember coming home from school at doing homework until my parents wouldn't let me do homework anymore because they wanted me to go to bed, IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL! I think that young kids will get a lot more out of playing outside and being with their families/friends than they will out of doing math and english homework.
larsjohan1 8 months ago
I know when professional artist have a commission or a deadline to meet (like say you're a graphic designer who works for a larger company, at the company office building) you have to get your work done, whether you get it done at the office or not (you should be working all day when there) it has to be done by that deadline. For art majors they apply the same principal to the classes, do you work in class and if its not done get it done after class.
lightanddarklove 8 months ago
@lightanddarklove I feel like there is a difference between being paid salary/commission and needing to COMPLETE a job, and the homework paradigm. In the homework paradigm we are given separate unique assignments to be completed specifically at home, rather than simply finishing that which we couldn't have finished at the office.
It'd be like giving and artist two different jobs, one for the office, and one for home and requiring they both get completed for full compensation.
themefund 8 months ago
im in first year uni and still don't do homework.
skimmertakesall 8 months ago
I'm not sure that we need less homework so much as we need better homework. I've always been a learn-by-doing kind of guy, so homework was always an essential part of my learning process. If I hadn't had a lot of homework to do, I wouldn't have learned much in school.
justinhabit 8 months ago
@justinhabit I think it's just a matter of how you learn, which is why homework shouldn't count towards one's grade. I think students know if they have to do homework to pass a class. Not doing homework and still knowing the content shouldn't be discouraged!
lidlurch 8 months ago
@lidlurch But the thing is if in a math course for instance if the homework wasn't going to be collected I , personally, usually wouldnt do it and would do homework that was was being collected and would not do as well on the assessments as I could have done. By collecting the homework, there's more of an incentive to revise and not just assume you know because you were in class that day.
lifemakesmelaf 8 months ago
I'm ancient I was in grade and high school in the late 60s&70s. I usually had about 1.5 to 2hrs a night of stuff after grade 5 - virtually nothing prior to that.
I think you're frustrated by the firehose approach to homework. Johnny and Janey are learning how to multiply fractions. Janey's got it by the end of the day. No sweat. Johnny's not getting it. Can the teacher say "Johnny, tonight you have to do two pages and and we'll talk tomorrow. Janey, you're good."? Of course not because
quackdamnu 8 months ago
@quackdamnu Johnny's parents will call and say WTF? So EVERYONE goes home with the same homework. Janey blasts through it before dinner and Johnny struggles into the night. In an ideal world, teaching = tutoring - finding strengths and make them stronger and find weaknesses and shore them up.
In the IT industry homework is called "Professional Development" - read articles, stay up to date on technology and you're get that promotion. Sit there saying "train me" and, well, you'll sit there.
quackdamnu 8 months ago
@quackdamnu part of the issue I think is the poor student/teacher ratios. There aren't enough teachers to really give the proper care to each students. So there really isn't a chance for a teacher to assign individual students different levels of homework.
My impression of the "homework" you've described here is really just being interested, engaged, and involved in your work. The old saying of "it isn't work if you enjoy it" seems to apply here, but maybe not, I'm not in IT anymore...
themefund 8 months ago
As of sixth grade, my friends and I have came up with the idea of be classes for people who are smart, but also seriously lazy and/or just learn differently.
This belief has stayed with us for the past eight years or so and we still wish someone would step up and make them... not us though, we're to lazy to work on that...
I never did my homework, but I got hundreds on my tests and could bs my way out of zeros, so I got along fine. Now, I still don't do homework, at least not at home.
:)
SaeraLikesTea 8 months ago
I believe we do need homework to a point because in my experience just because of the kind of learner I am, I won't understand math unless I do homework but after a certain point I get it and I don't need to do it for hours on end. We also need to read novels at home like you said. But when I took APUSH there was so much reading assigned but little of the material was ever tested but it would take at least 2 hours to read each chapter and that's when the chapter was interesting...
lifemakesmelaf 8 months ago
when I was a kid yeah they gave me a lot of homework
and yes now that I have a job of me taking home paper work every once in a blue moon so yeah I guess so though I'm not making my kids do homework house work yeah bot home work no.
BroadcastNinjastar 8 months ago
I think that homework should be optional. It's fine by me if the teachers assign it, but some kids just learn differently. For instance, I've known kids who don't do any homework and ace the tests. Why? They learn differently. Now one may say that some kids just won't do the work because they don't have to. My guess is that they are the kids who wouldn't do the homework in the first place and fail the class anyways. Those that would normally do it would, because they want a good grade.
lidlurch 8 months ago
@lidlurch I was one of those kids who would fail courses because of homework, yet would ace any test on the subject material. I try and pick my college courses based on this knowledge.
I benefit more from student/teacher interaction and testing, homework was always completely useless for me in learning.
themefund 8 months ago
@themefund For me, I know what I know, and practice what I don't know. So, if I don't have to do the homework, I just don't. Isn't that how college is? I mean, the professors don't collect homework, do they?
lidlurch 8 months ago
@lidlurch the profs that actually assign homework tend to collect it, but not all profs assign it.
themefund 8 months ago
I am a student in highschool and i failed algerbra 2 once because the teacher graded homework very strictly and gave so much of it that i could not do all of it let alone any of my other hw from other classes. this year i retook algebra 2 and got a 93 because my new teacher didnt grade homework. homework to me is useless.
Pnasalberta 8 months ago
@Pnasalberta I failed Algebra 2 three times because of homework, I was the only one in the course who scored consistently above a 90% on tests, but also consistently failed the course.
themefund 8 months ago
@themefund Thats how it was for me i even tutored the kids that got A's and B's in the class. it was bull shirt.
Pnasalberta 8 months ago
I'm against homewrok. When I was in elementary school I went on a homework strike, but my parents beat that idea out of me. (Times have changed, they'd probably be arested nowadays).
As to professionals not doing homework, well I'm an engineer now, and instead of homework I do unpaid overtime evenings and weekends so as to meet deadlines that I have no control over.
Ape65 8 months ago
@Ape65 theoretically though: you could finish that work without the overtime, it's just tough so it spills over into real life. It's not mandatory, just less stressful I'm guessing?
themefund 8 months ago
@Ape65 No. We work according to project deadlines, so there are times when I have work evenings, weekends and sometime even holidays to get things done in time to meet our deadlines. Case in point, I'm going into the office tomorrow & probably putting in at least 8hr without pay. (Today's a holiday where I live and I didn't go to the office only because I'm exhausted and slept much of the day).
Ape65 8 months ago
@Ape65 I'm assuming you work on salary not hourly rates? In that case, there really isn't such a thing as overtime, and anyone who has worked on salary has known that upfront...
Now if you worked on an hourly rate, and they weren't paying you for this extra time, then you have a problem on your hands.
Either way, I think this might classify as "homework" in the professional world, so thank you for being an example for me.
themefund 8 months ago
@themefund My employer keeps on switching me from salary when there's lots of work to hourly when there's little work. I don't mind the occasional overtime when we need to meet a deadline, but we have some clients where *every* project turns into a deadline panic because they're so badly defined and the client imposes so many changes. I hope I don't sound too negative, I'm in the middle of one of those nightmare projects right now.
Ape65 8 months ago
You forgot to put the clickable boxes at the end of the video! :P
delahouzzzze 8 months ago
@delahouzzzze fixed, thanks for pointing it out!
themefund 8 months ago
I'm still a student, I do just as many homework as I feel I need to to keep an average mark aroune 80%. Or, if one day I don't feel like working too hard, I just relax at school and do the work I was supposed to the next day at home. But my teachers don't give many homework, especially my math teacher who keeps telling us not to do more than we need to get the marks we want (or need).
SaintJeanBob 8 months ago
besides that, i agree with this! i think that my college (uk) gives me too much homework. we even had homework during christmas!
ohaitracy 8 months ago
@ohaitracy homework over the holidays was always the thing that pissed me off the most about the whole system. It's called HOLIDAY for a reason, I shouldn't need to think about school/work/"real life" for awhile, I just want to get away.
themefund 8 months ago
am i... the first one?! :O
ohaitracy 8 months ago
@ohaitracy Sorry, I ninja'd you.
SaintJeanBob 8 months ago