Lesbian Guadalupe T. Benitez gets inseminated: Prop 8

[RCSVirginia]

The Netherlands, Belgium, Iceland, Sweden, Norway, Canada, South Africa, Spain, Portugal and Argentina all have gay marriage. Israel recognizes gay marriages performed in these countries, and Mexico recognizes gay marriages performed in its capital, Mexico City. In all of these countries, there have been no negative consequences, and in all of them, gay and straight married couples are doing as well as any in any other countries in the world.

[RCSVirginia]

To take a look at just a few of the gay parents out there with their children, watch the YouTube videos:

"Tinseltown's Proud Gay Parents" by Alist

"Gay Family Values 2009 Montage" by depfox

"Our adoption story" by TheLancasterDads

"Same-sex Parents in Texas" by kutaustintx

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"Ricky Martin´s twins (gemelos de RickyMartin)" by princesacarolina

[RCSVirginia]

For a better understanding of the people who are putting out this crap, make sure that you watch the YouTube video:

"Archaeological Proofs for the Book of Mormon" by jhuston7

[TrueSaintsLDS]

FAIRLDSdotORG

for the true gospel of JESUS CHRIST

[peaceispatriotic7]

Back in the day it was a law to allow civil rights and freedoms of a majority and to deny those same civil rights and freedoms to a minority. What do you think I am talking about?

[GospelRestored]

Every man should be allowed to marry the same people regardless of your sexual impulses. This fallacy about racism is obvious to the African American community in CA. That is why 70+% Californai African Americans voted for prop 8. Comparing sexual activity to skin color is offensive to people who understand the issue.

[peaceispatriotic7]

Homosexuality is an "impulse"? This shows you are ignorant about homosexuality. And yes, a large number of hispanics and African Americans voted Yes on 8. Why? Religion... If we do not seperate church and state we will have to respect all religious beliefs. And if you know anything about religion, there are a lot of far out beliefs. This is what angers me. Why is ANYONES beliefs override the CONSTITUTION? By Obama saying he is closing Gitmo is the best news for America in a long time.

[GospelRestored]

The terrorists in Gitmo being released into the U.S. is good news? You must be a very patriotic man.

[phillipmarch22]

No terroist is going to be released in the United States. That was passed by Congress. It is patriotic to follow what Congress and the Justice Department is doing, (that is if you can put your Bible down long enough)

[GospelRestored]

So your assault on marriage has "put your Bible down" anti-religious undertones? I thought so.

[TrueSaintsLDS]

It's not OK to be Gay!

[phillipmarch22]

It is not OK to be ignorant about homosexuality! That is ever MORE not ok!

[GospelRestored]

Igonorance doesn't spread AIDS.

[phillipmarch22]

No, staight sex, gay sex, and dirty needles spreads HIV/AIDS. HIV/AID did NOT start out by homosexual sex by the way! This disease, like any other is not some sort of punishment brought down by God. My father died of cancer and was a good man, he was NOT being punished for anything.

[GospelRestored]

Righteousness has never prevented the death of anyone: even the savior; but you are less likely to die of AIDS.

[phillipmarch22]

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argumments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is CONTEMPT PRIOR TO INVESTIGATION." That is out of the book that I abide by!

[cryan71]

This has nothing to do with gay marriage. Tempest in a teapot.

I'm sure alot racist in the 60s used your same arguments about civil rights and inter-racial marriage. Many of them claimed it was part of their religion (and it was at many Southern Baptists chruches).

[GospelRestored]

As a society we cannot and should not be able to discriminate on race. As a society we can and should be able to disciminate based on behavior. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

[phillipmarch22]

That is where you are wrong. People are born gay! Read up on it and quit passing around ignorance and intolerance! How hypocrital for you to have the name "Gospel" when you teach such hate! Shame on you!

[GospelRestored]

People might be born gay. I know I certainly didn't choose to have every sexual desire I haver ever had. That is an irrelevant argument.

[TrueSaintsLDS]

People are born gay! wrong. It is a choice, a condition that becomes a disease.

Shame on you!

it's not ok to be gay!

[animejunkie4eva]

If it's wrong, why are there gay animals? How about you convert them to your religion and help them see the error in their ways. They are programmed to survive and reproduce, so why are there gay animals? Oh, that's right, cause it's natural. And even then, why can't people choose why gender they fall in love with. If a woman has bad relationships with men, is she not allowed to seek the companionship of a woman because men aren't appealing to her anymore?

[GospelRestored]

What are you talking about? (straw man). My assertion is that it should not be illegal to call 2 different things by different names.

BTW, just because an animal has been known to do something, doesn't make it appropriate human behavior.

If you say something so senseless again, I will block you.

[TrueSaintsLDS]

You're a gay fool, phillip, and if you look at the gospel, the fruits of a GAY person are going to HELL!

This is biblical and you're not going to change what's wriitten in the holy scriptures.

shame on you!

[phillipmarch22]

The LDS have changed the scriptures so many times it is pathetic. The LDS have taken the Bible and inserted man made rules repeatidly. A man could have many wives, now it is a sin. Of all the religions, the LDS are the most hypcritical racist women abusers on this planet. You might want to read the LDS history and how they slaughtered the American Indians. Your relatives have massive amounts of blood on their hands. You should look in the mirror before judging another persons lifestyle.

[TrueSaintsLDS]

it's so obvious you nothing about our church. We don't abuse women, and we certainly aren't racist. American Indians slaughtered? What kind of moron are you?

I have been a saint of the last dispensation for over 30 years and I can tell you plainly either you are badly misinformed or you say this to try and drag the church thru the mud with lies.

congratulations on your shame!

[phillipmarch22]

You need a history lesson on Joseph Smith. That guy was brutal. Again, the LDS religion, (and the Catholics too), have changed their rules so many time, it is not even funny! Hey, I am all for anyone having faith in the God of their choice, but at least be honest about organized religion. Don't let ANY institution brainwash you.

[GospelRestored]

"... in general comparisons among major U.S. religious traditions using a variety of sociological measures of religious vitality and salience... it is Mormon teenagers who are sociologically faring the best." Soul Searching: The Religious and Spiritual Lives of American Teenagers p.261

It looks like you are better off being an enlightened Mormon than a brainwashed secularist.

[TyrannyRestored]

Wrong again! I read that reference on Google Books, and it doesn't say anything about secularists. It only compares religious communities.

It's also well documented that people with a strong community identity tend to "fare" very well. No surprise there, as cults and related groups do have tight-knit social strata.

[TrueSaintsLDS]

And you will have to be rebaptized.

[TyrannyRestored]

TrueSaintsLDS, shame on you for not knowing the truth about your shabby, convoluted religion.

[TrueSaintsLDS]

Attack and attack is all anti-Mormons know. it's really sad.

The churches are in top shape and well taken care of and the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST is easy to understand therefore we are not convoluted.

try again!

[clark25197]

You are wrong...the said the doctors in the office would perform the procedure, there were two additional doctors in the office. Plus they were the only contracted providers under her insurance plan. No one made them sign the contract.

[GospelRestored]

Leave the doctors alone to practice their religion in their private practices and lives. I give homosexuals the same courtesey.

[sammyseattle]

This medical association was practicing discrimination in contradiction to both California State Law and to the code of ethics for the medical association that governs them. That is the issue.

[GospelRestored]

No, the issue is religious freedom. Stop forcing the radical gay agenda on people in their private practices. Leave me alone, the homosexuals alone, the doctors alone, etc... Everybody distinguishes between people based on BEHAVIOR in our country billions of times each day. You do it all the time when you choose your friends, what actors to watch on TV, whose products to buy, etc... It is allowed, appropriate, and should be continued.

[sammyseattle]

It is obvious that you have difficulty in recognizing what is public and what is private. I fully support anyone to do as like in their private lives, in the public sector you must play by the rules and respect people regardless of your prejudices.

[GospelRestored]

So what should a preacher do if he wants an exclusive congregation to teach that heterosexual marriages produces stonger families than homosexuality? Is it private or public? What if the congregation are his friends? What size? His house? An annexed building? Where do you draw the line? How about we just keep the radical gay agenda out of the morals of the "private sector" altogether. That definition anyone can understand.

[sammyseattle]

These types of congregations exist, what are you asking? You are free to teach your radical religionista views in private sector already. You can even teach the hate that many of these sects do and preach it in the streets, what you cannot do is act on this hate.

[GospelRestored]

You can practice homosexuality in private, what you cannot do is force me to treat it the same as my marriage (unless prop 8 fails).

[sammyseattle]

That's just the issue that you seem incapable of comprehending. Gay people do not wish to have their marriages treated the same as yours. Just as Catholics, Jews, and Jehovah's Witnesses do not wish to have their marriages treated the same as yours. The issue of civil marriage is independent of that of religious marriage. In the U.S. religions are not required to recognize marriages that do not conform to their idealogies.

[GospelRestored]

If gays do not want marriage to be the same thing, call them something different. All of the religions recognize the relationship between opposite genders as appropriate. Same-gender relationships are so different that they need a new name.

[sammyseattle]

And all religions eventually fail and are replaced.

[GospelRestored]

You would like to see all religions fail and replaced with homosexual hedonism? Live it in your personal life, but don't drag it into my community.

[sammyseattle]

Again, you don't know what I want. I believe people should be free to practice their chosen religion. I don't believe that the public should be subject by law to conform to those beliefs. Not all religions take your position on homosexuality.

[GospelRestored]

So all religions should continue to not be government funded and government regulated. Religion is to personal. Vote Yes on 8!

[sammyseattle]

Proposition 8 has nothing to do with the government funding religion.

[GospelRestored]

Keep it that way, and keep the radical gay agenda out of my son's classroom. vote yes on 8.

[sammyseattle]

Then keep you child out of government run schools, we can go back and forth on this issue until November.

[GospelRestored]

Give people freedom to think and say what they want, vote yes on 8: keep the government out.

[sammyseattle]

We don't live in a theocracy as you would like to believe and we never will. Your religion will disappear as all others before and we'll be left with government by the people.

[GospelRestored]

Void of religion? The Beatles wrote about your dream world, "imagine no religion". Your idea has been tried in numerous failed societies, and I don't doubt it will prevail again as the nation collapses into disrepair, I am only trying to slow that process.

[sammyseattle]

The little old lady with an apartment house is a total straw-man argument. Perhaps you're not familiar with 42 USC 3601 et seq? The marital status protections were added 20 years ago.

[GospelRestored]

Cases based on 42 USC 3601 have gone both ways in preserving freedom on your own property vs. forcing somebody else's morals onto your property. The point is that we should move in a direction of less government intervention vs. more government intervention into private lives. Vote Yes on 8.

[sammyseattle]

Very few cases preserve the bigotry you mention. Only less government when it suits you. But enforcing your agenda requires more government involvement, we've seen that under the Bush administration.

[GospelRestored]

Should marriage rights be extended to brothers? Father/daughter? Don't take away their rights, right? Or can society have a conscience and morals? Just not the ones that suit you, right? Keep government out!

[sammyseattle]

I have a problem with religionistas.

[GospelRestored]

I have a problem with people who can't leave someone else alone to practice their religion or homosexuality or whatever in their personal lives.

[ryukage99]

Love Thy Neighbor, regardless whether they're homosexual or not. Repent! Repent!

[GospelRestored]

Amen, and thant includes not forcing radical gay agendas on others.

BTW, many gays agree with me that this judicial decision oversteps propriety.

[sammyseattle]

You can practice your own religion in your personal life any time your wish. I fully support your choice. You want to enforce your "morality" as law.

[GospelRestored]

And you can practice your homosexuality behind closed doors, but you want to enforce your morality as law. You have no equivalent examples of me forcing somethin on you, this video is a prime example of forcing your morals on others: invetro fertilization for lesbians. Game over, I win.

[sammyseattle]

Are you seven? No, you do not win and either has the bigoted medical practice in this case. Forcing something on us? Give me a break, DOMA, DADT, there are thousands of instances that could be cited. We will not practice our homosexuality behind closed doors. I would never suggest that you practice your religion behind closed doors. That is what bigotry is all about.

[GospelRestored]

You want teachers instructing your kids that my religion is right in school? Prop 8 involves whether my children are forced to be taught gay and hetero relations are the same in school. Show me the same courtesy.

[sammyseattle]

I wouldn't have children being taught that any religion or relationship is more valid than another. That is where we differ, I do show respect for all others, you seem to believe that your religion and relationships are superior to others.

[GospelRestored]

Do you respect my beliefs enough not to force people to be taught your beliefs in school, the way that bible and mormonism are not taught in the schools? We do differ in tolerance and wanting to force morals on people.

[sammyseattle]

If you didn't want your morals forced upon others this argument would not exist. Our only difference is that I believe that all morals should be offered as valid, not greater or less, just different.  That is what tolerance is all about, allowing others choice.

[GospelRestored]

That is the way it was before, people could teach in school that gay marriage may or may not be the same. Prop 8 would restore that; otherwise, we are eliminating that discussion and forcing only one view: they are the same. Be tolerant, allow both sides of the discussion: yes on Prop8.

[sammyseattle]

That is not tolerant and that is not what I said. Tolerance is realizing that although our views are different they are both valid. You are back to: I am right, you are wrong, my rights are greater than yours. That is the very definition of intolerance.

[GospelRestored]

We may disagree whether it is ok to have a child born into a fatherless home, that is not the debate. The problem is that people opposed to prop 8 advocate holding a gun to a doctor's head and force them to perform an elctive medical procedure that the doc is not comfortable with, when many others are willing to do it instead. The readers can see pretty clear who is the tolerant one here.

[sammyseattle]

Gun toting would be more the domain of the right wing, not the left. The issue here is whether someone running a business can discriminate in violation of the laws in place in the State where the business license is issued. The tolerant one does not condone anyone being subjected to discrimination of any kind, the intolerant will always try to find a way to discriminate.

[GospelRestored]

Our society should discriminate based on behavior. Everybody discriminates on behavior. Who do you hire? Whose products do you buy? Who are your friends? on and on. Our society functions because we disciminate based on behavior. Don't confuse that with discrimination based on race, gender, or sexual orientation.

[sammyseattle]

So what exactly is the behavior in the case which would cause you to endorse discrimination?

[GospelRestored]

People can discriminate all they want in their personal lives: who I am friends with, what TV shows I watch, what classes from which teachers I take in school, on and on. These are behavioral discriminations which are appropriate.

[sammyseattle]

I am certainly not arguing that you can't discriminate and be the biggest bigot you wish to be in your private life. Do as you wish in your private life.

[GospelRestored]

Unless I offer an elective medical service to some private clients, then roll tanks into my business and make me conform with the radical gay agenda, right?

[sammyseattle]

Please try to stay on topic here. This is about a medical association that offers its services to the public. When you offer services to the public as a licensed business you are subject to the existing laws governing that business. Private in this case does not mean exclusive, it means not part of a government operated medical program but still offering services to the general public.

[GospelRestored]

He is not opening a medical association to the public, he is offering a private service to fathers and mothers who want to have children. Your position is that no free person in America should have the freedom to offer these services to people who solicit these services? Vote yes on 8.

[sammyseattle]

My position is that if you operate a business that provides services to the public that you must conform to the laws that govern that business. The Unruh laws do not allow a business that offers services to the public to be selective in which portion of the public they will provide these services. It's not a difficult concept to understand. These medical professionals knew this. This case is not precedent setting.

[GospelRestored]

If you are advocating doctors leaving the practice of medicine, your proposal to diminish the already short supply of doctors in our country is more devastating that many realized.

[GospelRestored]

We can both think and practice how we want: that is tolerant (me).

Religions & private schools have to teach radical gay agendas, and I will use police force to stop anyone who disagrees with me: intolerant (you).

[sammyseattle]

That argument makes no sense whatsoever. I would never advocate for religions or private schools to be forced by any means to teach my agenda. I believe in their rights to do so in their churches and their schools.

[GospelRestored]

If you really believe that, then you should vote yes on 8. People can teach open minded messages in church and school, not exclusively the radical gay agenda. During the school prayer debate of the 60's, the liberals said that godless Darwinism would not be the religion of the classrooms, and that the effects on religious fervor in the country would not decline, families would not come unglued, and divorce rates would not skyrocket. Liberals were wrong and have never apologized for their lie.

[sammyseattle]

Why apologize, it was no lie. There is no religion being taught in public schools. It is your job to teach religion to your children. With thousands of religions which would we choose to teach.  Yours?

[GospelRestored]

No, we live in a Christian country. Let's stick with what has worked in this country over the centries. Or, if a biology teacher insists on Darwinism, at least teach all of the holes in the theory. We don't have any evolving part ape-human species today. We don't have evidence of creatures switching species, we aren't able to bring dead people back to life like a machine. If you are going to give education, give them the full education!

[sammyseattle]

You'll have to educate me on this one. I must have been out of the country when christianity was adopted as the rule in the United States. I was only gone for three weeks so it must have been done some time in April. Perhaps you need to study and see that animals including humans have changed in during that last couple of centuries. I suppose when you believe that the Earth is only 6000 years old it's difficult to realize that evolution takes place over tens of millions of years.

[GospelRestored]

Please send me a copy of a picture of a half-evolved ape partial human being. Despite the suspicions of our reading audience, a self portrait does not count. BTW, read up on the overwhelming religious practices of our country and founders. We are a Christian nation with a secular government, that allows for other religions that accomodate Christian beliefs i.e. open mindedness. Yes, that excludes religions that strap bombs to their chests, and radical ideologies forced into schools.

[sammyseattle]

Now that is just rude, I've never equated you with a lower life form although you seem bent on relegating me to such status. Evolution is a much more scientific and logical theory than creationism. Openmindedness is so far outside of the realm of anything you've expressed. Citizens may of the U.S. may claim to be overwhelmingly christian but it seems overwhelmingly that they are unable to accept the fact that our government is secular, hence, Proposition 8.

[GospelRestored]

No evolving apes. Nothing scientific about saying people evolve from apes, but they don't. Sounds moronic to me.

There is a power greater than we have been able to understand in the universe, but as we continue to learn spiritually and secularly we can gain insight into this creator. Sounds much more intelligent and even scientific.

[sammyseattle]

That doesn't even sound like good science fiction.

[GospelRestored]

Half-apes hiding in caves aruond the world for fear of proving Darwinism is fiction.

[GospelRestored]

Let the communities decide. Amish communities teach Amish when they want, Catholic communities mix appropriate Catholacism however they want. That is the point, just make it free, and don't force the radical views of a handful of gays on an entire state of 50+ million.

[sammyseattle]

The Amish educate their children in private, non government operated schools. Catholic communities? I'm assuming you mean Catholic parochial schools, again, not state run. It seems that your view is that your particular religious beliefs should maintain primacy in all areas. This is not how this country operates. Vote No on 8 and defeat religious fascism.

[GospelRestored]

Private schools make much more sense, I agree. But I am forced to subsidize temples of Darwinism called public schools, so we might as well make them more tolerant and neutral towards sensible ideas. Teaching both on occasion? I refer you to Ben Stein's documentary: Expelled!

[GospelRestored]

A religion has a creation story, a set of values, that often tend towards a political idealogy. Newsflash: Darwinism is the religin of public schools.

[GospelRestored]

Massachussetes schools are required to teach the radical gay agenda. Keep it private. I appreciate that maybe you don't want to radical gay agenda on children, but by opposing prop 8, this is a natural result that Massachusettes has already been plagued with.

[scotplaya]

you notice these traditional family picture are usually not interracial.s

[GospelRestored]

Pics were chosen at random in the interest of time. Most marriages in our country must be non-interracial. Dunno. Pretty weak rebuttal.

[mormonanswerman]

The problem is that they have made it their life to push these issues, and its almost like, no, it is a cult. The cult of homosexuality.

[osmiolos]

I have a problem with these radical homosexuals.