@BWEEBLAST not a bad career, you can make good amount of money, plus re-enlisting bonuses are generous. If done with military you can always work contract or for the faa. either way good money
It's 11000. I am sure of that: besides, why would the controller clear the Alitalia to descend to 7000 at the end of the clip if the plane had already been at that altitude.
The fuel remaining in hours is noted in green above the subtitle. Had you not noticed that?
@bullettrain777 A 767 can fly with 1 malfunctioning generator. They cannot leave the departure airport with 2 out of 3 generators failing, but they could have left if with only 1 generator failing.
Is this a real conversation between pilots and air control? It's very funny that the pilot is explaining the meaning of word in an unskillful way. Air traffic control conversation between native English speakers seems different compared to that between Japanese.
@xliver4 Two planes were landing on different, but perpendicular runways. Both aircraft elected to go around and crossed paths, missing each other by seconds. It is reported that American Eagle actually took evasive action: not sure if that was to avoid a collision or to avoid the wake turbulence of the 747 that had just intersected its flight path.
@kenadamsusa surely you mean the paths of the runways intersected, not the runways themselves. that would be extremely dangerous to even have planes landing on two intersecting runways at the same time.
I have added some links to the video description for your perusal. The National Air Traffic Controllers Association, A Senator, and the FAA all agree that those two planes were landing on perpendicular runways at the same time. Whether the runways can be considered "intersecting" appears to be subject to interpretation (the FAA claimed they don't) though any map of the airport will show that runways 13L and 22L do intersect. Check the links and let me know.
@kenadamsusa You'd be correct. It is well documented for airports to have simultanious runways in use that intersect - normally on days when the wind is low. All they do, ATC, is stagger usage of the runways, ie, 13L (a landing/take off) then 22L (landing or take off), then back to 13L etc.
Its not unheard of at all.
See London Heathrow for example... (or any Major international airport around the world which see's a movement off or onto the actives every 45 seconds maximum).
@xliver4 Air Traffic Controllers are to provide separation that in the event of a missed approach aircraft will remain separated. In many cases the aircraft remain under the control of the VFR (tower) controller and take altitude and heading assignments from them. Most airports have Auto Overs where the tower assumes control within a certain boundary so that the separation standard can be reduced. Missing each other by seconds is not a desired outcome.
You might like a little FAA comedy web series. Take a look at my channel. I made a movie, "Budget Justified," about what it was like to work in FAA offices in Washington
I guess the 3 generators are, 1 on each engine and one on APU. If all of them failed, let say fuel run out, the plane still got two backup power source, 1) Battery power, 2) Ram Air Turbine.
On Airbus, the Ram Air Turbine will deploy automatically and provide hydralic power, the hydralic power will then drive a generator to povide minimal elec. power. So the plane will still controllable but very limited (like no slats, no flaps, can't raise gears, very minimal braking...)
@johnnycyyu Correct and the best diplay of that was AIR CANADA FLIGHT 143 Gimli Glider (search Gimli Glider) it's a 5 part series on that plane's amazing landing. It tells about total power loss and using the RAM.
You're welcome to post your own videos. Text is provided for those who need assistance understanding English communications: I am sure they will appreciate even if the subtitles aren't perfectly on cue. I do believe the altitude the pilot calls at the beginning is 11000.
@TG626 no you should wonder how the air traffic controllers do it. "be advised you are coming in broken and unreadable" pilot: "garble garble 2thousand, and.....garble garble inaudible" atc: "'callsign" say again, last heard was 2thousand....." pilot: "garble garble garble" lol. its rough
@kenadamsusa you're right, i really appreciate it, i don't speak that good english, i'm german and so im not interestet in the exat altitude of a plane, which difference makes it for this video, if he says 7000 or 11000?
LOL, seriously telling it sounds like both, if you concentrate and think that he's gonna say 7000 its 7000 & if you concentrate on 11000 it really looks like 11000, however 11000 looks more correct to me :P
MTOM of the 757-200 is 113400 and therefore is not considerd as heavy. I just looked up for all the different kind of 767's and those vary between 142000kg's (767-200) and 204000kg's.(767-400ER). They are fully grown heavies :) All of this is very much in detail though, we both agree on the same principle so i'm not trying to be a smartass here :) I'm doing my ATPL theory course right now, i'm sure that within a year I won't have a clue what the weight for heavies is!
The term "heavy" in aviation refers to a large aircraft. "Heavy" aircraft also require additional spacing from other aircraft. These planes also carry more weight than normal aircraft, thus the term "heavy." Any aircraft larger than a Boeing 757 is considered a " heavy." I hope this cleared that up.
I would prefer saying: Any aircraft with a MTOM ( max takeoff mass ) of more than 136000kg is considered as Heavy, regardless of the weight it actually has at takeoff cruise or landing. It is indeed mentioned upon initial contact of every frequency change to be sure an increased separation is applied for takeoff or landing.
Well, labeling an aircraft "heavy" with an MTOM of more than 136000kg would be more accurate, but it would also be more difficult to determine which aircraft would be given those labels. And wouldnt an aircraft with an MTOM of more than 136000kg be larger than a 757, which is the guidelines used nowadays to determine the "heavy" label between aircraft?
Well from what I have researched and heard about Air Traffic Controllers is that you need a Bachelor's degree, you need to be less than 30 years of age before you begin your career, and you need to go to an FAA Air Traffic Controller School. And i think before you do all that you need to take a written apptitude test or something like that. Im not 100% sure but i think thats how it goes. Also, the pay is an exceptional 100K minimum a year excluding overtime.
You know I flew right seat in the military, and the pilot always said that's what it meant. There were only two of us onboard and I knew we never carried corpses. Thanks for the info. It makes more sense.
Not to pick nits .. but ATC is asking for "Fuel Remaining in Hours" .. not Analysis in the first bit. You can hear Alitalia's response of 1.5 hours for your own confirmation of that. ;)
Air Traffic Control is a stressful job, yes, it is less taxing at the lower level facilities, such as the one I am at. But there is no way any one that hasn't actually worked a position at one of the lvl 10-12 TRACONs/Towers/Centers will ever no what it is like. Just because you can rock an ATCsim, doesn't mean you can kick it with the true controllers.
can i ask you somthing, is it true that you can be convicted of a crime and go to jail if u make a mistake and cause a accident wen death is involved?
ICAO weight standards are L, M, H. FAA standards are S, S+, L, H, and Super. Information on this can be found in the official contractions book located at the ATPubs site on the FAA's website. Google it.
Last I checked in the JO 7110.65S (Air Traffic Controller "Bible") it listed Small (S) Any aircraft of less than 12,500lbs MCTW, Small plus (S+) Any aircraft 12,500 to 41,000 lbs MCTW (Still technically a Small), Large any aircraft of more than 41,000 lbs MCTW, up to 255,000 lbs MCTW, and a heavy is any aircraft capable of take off weights of more than 255,000 lbs whether or not they are operating at this weight during a particular phase of flight. Appendix A., Para a-c & foot note +
ICAO is different from the JO 7110.65. Believe me, I'm familiar with it. There's an additional publication called a Contractions publication which has the make, model, identifier, and other pertinent information of any aircraft, not just the ones listed in Appendix A (which is used for quick-glance references). For example, a Global Express (GLEX) is listed in the Contractions book as "M". I say caution wake turbulence anyway, because it says I can do it whenever I think it may be a factor.
I wasn't saying you are wrong, I know ICAO is different, I mean just like at the equipment suffix and it is clear that it is different. I was poking more toward Kenadamsusa mentioning "super", which isn't in the current 7110, but I wouldn't be surprised if super or jumbo comes back into use, with the A380 and the Boeing Dreamliner.
there like boat wakes an aircraft leaves wind like burst in the air and if an aircraft goes the same route in a short amount of time it creates really nasty turbulance and is extreamly hard to land in because your basically rolling up and around
mainly where ATC try and get all aircraft waiting to land to land immediately. take-offs are suspended as i believe, and will use multiple runways for landings if applicable.
The expression defines a quick, steep descent authorized by traffic control to expedite the approach (or for noise abatement purposes in certain areas). Nothing to do with takeoffs. In the case of this recording, just a way to save the incoming flight a few minutes: it was late at night and there was very little traffic.
3:31 all i heard was "slooo down bradda... rude bwai be ziggin zaggin chroo da clouds. me say we continue, if me need ta stop me always can stop in miami... BUH!!!"
Um no learn English. He said that he was in ATC for 30 years not 30 years ago. Now he might have meant that he retired a long time ago, but it makes it seem that he started the career at 48, and at 78 is still working there.
You don't have to retire at 56. There's rules for former PATCO members - I know of one older than 60.., and waivers generally are approved for the age requirement.
I've heard many rumors about air traffic control being one of the most stressful professions and having a high suiside rate? Is this stuff true?..i ask becuase i am really interested in this profession
It used to be when there wasn't as much radar as there is today. In some tower/center facilities (the busiest mostly) there is a system that has access to over 1 million pieces of information regarding aircraft, failures, and things of that nature. It even includes menus of surrounding restaurants in the area.
Well, I am both. When I say technology I mean advances in radar and warning systems. I never said anything about removing the pressure completely you took it upon yourself to say that.
I am working on my degree in Air Traffic Managment at Arizona State. Plus I am a member of Boston Virtual ATC which has extremely accurate ATC operations, many current and former controllers are on there, as well as the aspiring. I have toured a few towers including Boston Logan International. I have a private pilot license and working toward more certification. I was not offended but I should have chosen better words to explain what I was trying to say.
When talking to air-traffic controllers, pilots will add the term "heavy" (more than 255,000 lbs.) to the end of the flight call sign on flights involving very large aircraft. This term alerts air-traffic controllers that they need to provide extra spacing between aircraft as these aircraft generate significant wake turbulence which can disrupt the flight path of the aircraft right behind.
When talking to air-traffic controllers, pilots will add the term "heavy" (more than 255,000 lbs.) to the end of the flight call sign on flights involving very large aircraft. This term alerts air-traffic controllers that they need to provide extra spacing between aircraft as these aircraft generate significant wake turbulence which can disrupt the flight path of the aircraft right behind.
"Ok the problem was: We had a gear door stuck down and we recycled the gear, It didn't come up. So we're thinking about coming back there, and all at a sudden, it just came up by itself. So we would like to proceed in route now." I like that part.
I like the Air Jamaica pilot. Nice and relaxed about the whole ordeal. Naaah, we'll keep going. Everybody back there is high-they don't care. Everybody up here is high-we don't care. Gear is down now it's up-Whatever. We can always come back or divert to Miami... or Seattle. It's all good.
at 52 seconds when the controller requests souls on board he also requests the amount of fuel in hours, not analysis. Not to be anal or anything, but you really cant perform a fuel analysis while airbourne.
interesting indeed.
bv90andy 9 months ago
"Air Jamaica with gear problems" Gee, what a surprise.
MrGrevy 9 months ago
When they say "souls on board" do they count minorities?
MrGrevy 9 months ago
@MrGrevy they don't count gingers
abcas1990 4 months ago
In german language a crowbar was a "cowfoot" in literal translation *lol*
HesseJamez 10 months ago
@HesseJamez In spanish that thing is called "pata de cabra", lit. goat leg XD
mariodidier001 7 months ago
Never listened to this stuff before. Sudden understanding of the stress.
I bet throwing out the union really helped a lot. Screw safety though. GOP is all about ideas.
lonedoghowling 10 months ago
@lonedoghowling You think unions promote safety and efficiency? On what planet? Delusional moron.
MrGrevy 9 months ago
Air Jamaica sounds like... "Don't worry about a thing, cause every little thing gonna be all right". Not three little birds but a big one!
sago1975 1 year ago
and i'm thinking about joining the air force to be one of these guys
BWEEBLAST 1 year ago
@BWEEBLAST Same here! I just need permission from my rents. Lol.
CordeliaCalabria 1 year ago
@BWEEBLAST DOOOOOONNNNNTTTTT DOOOO IIIIIIITTTTTTTT. lol j/k Its a rewarding job, but highly stressful at times
sandra4380 1 year ago
@sandra4380 oh nooo lol i'm not doing it.. i changed my mind .. imma become a welder
BWEEBLAST 1 year ago
@BWEEBLAST not a bad career, you can make good amount of money, plus re-enlisting bonuses are generous. If done with military you can always work contract or for the faa. either way good money
coudu8ed 1 year ago
"we decided to proceed because we can always come back"
looool
never say "always"
hareega 1 year ago
haha I Love The Pilot Talking with That Jamaican Accent Like Bob Marley Lolz Awesoem ^^
nikthepilot 1 year ago
he said "may i have number of souls on board and fuel remaining in hours" not analysis and he said 7000 at the start not 11
airman01991 1 year ago 3
@airman01991
It's 11000. I am sure of that: besides, why would the controller clear the Alitalia to descend to 7000 at the end of the clip if the plane had already been at that altitude.
The fuel remaining in hours is noted in green above the subtitle. Had you not noticed that?
kenadamsusa 1 year ago
@kenadamsusa gotcha just turned it way up and it sounds more like 11 the more i listen and neg i didnt see the green tab but now i do lol
airman01991 1 year ago
ATC is actually asking Alitalia for - "Fuel in hours" (endurance), not "fuel analysis".
posthastey 1 year ago
Air Jamaican crew had to make a...joint.. decision...before they....rolled ..on...and allas they assured ATC that there was nothing to....dread.
posthastey 1 year ago
Are airplanes being operated with so many failures like in the state that 2 out of 3 electrical generator is out of work?
bullettrain777 1 year ago
@bullettrain777 A 767 can fly with 1 malfunctioning generator. They cannot leave the departure airport with 2 out of 3 generators failing, but they could have left if with only 1 generator failing.
MrGyngve 1 year ago
Is this a real conversation between pilots and air control? It's very funny that the pilot is explaining the meaning of word in an unskillful way. Air traffic control conversation between native English speakers seems different compared to that between Japanese.
bullettrain777 1 year ago
@bullettrain777 They were sharing a joke. It's not at all uncommon amongst air traffic controllers and pilots to share a joke en route.
joeslifeyork 1 year ago
laugh out loud at throw out a crowbar and race it to the ground..
priceless..
ypaul123 1 year ago
"We can always come back." How philosophical. :)
darnitalltohell 1 year ago
Air Jamaica representing now mon!
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DVDSNutz 1 year ago
I love Boston John ^^
Tim18071994 1 year ago
I liked the Air Jamaica exchange with ATC. Nice, courteous and calm. ^_^
LightDesigns0 1 year ago 5
i dont get the near miss one. How was it a near miss?
xliver4 2 years ago
@xliver4 Two planes were landing on different, but perpendicular runways. Both aircraft elected to go around and crossed paths, missing each other by seconds. It is reported that American Eagle actually took evasive action: not sure if that was to avoid a collision or to avoid the wake turbulence of the 747 that had just intersected its flight path.
kenadamsusa 2 years ago 3
@kenadamsusa STA missile=)
ballm0use 1 year ago
@kenadamsusa surely you mean the paths of the runways intersected, not the runways themselves. that would be extremely dangerous to even have planes landing on two intersecting runways at the same time.
Imprezaman555 1 year ago
@Imprezaman555
I have added some links to the video description for your perusal. The National Air Traffic Controllers Association, A Senator, and the FAA all agree that those two planes were landing on perpendicular runways at the same time. Whether the runways can be considered "intersecting" appears to be subject to interpretation (the FAA claimed they don't) though any map of the airport will show that runways 13L and 22L do intersect. Check the links and let me know.
kenadamsusa 1 year ago
@kenadamsusa You'd be correct. It is well documented for airports to have simultanious runways in use that intersect - normally on days when the wind is low. All they do, ATC, is stagger usage of the runways, ie, 13L (a landing/take off) then 22L (landing or take off), then back to 13L etc.
Its not unheard of at all.
See London Heathrow for example... (or any Major international airport around the world which see's a movement off or onto the actives every 45 seconds maximum).
joeslifeyork 1 year ago
@kenadamsusa A quick look on both AirNav and Google Maps shows that while 13L and 22L are obviously perpendicular, they clearly do not intersect.
oktal3700 2 months ago
@kenadamsusa That's exactly the reason LAHSO operations can be very dangerous.
skipplet 1 year ago
@xliver4 Air Traffic Controllers are to provide separation that in the event of a missed approach aircraft will remain separated. In many cases the aircraft remain under the control of the VFR (tower) controller and take altitude and heading assignments from them. Most airports have Auto Overs where the tower assumes control within a certain boundary so that the separation standard can be reduced. Missing each other by seconds is not a desired outcome.
xxtwr1 1 year ago
It's what I am in college for.
bagofgoldenhammers 2 years ago
text scrolls too fast, it was over before the convo was.
USAFp90x 2 years ago 2
does nybody kno how long in the us does it take to become a atc
hghskid 2 years ago
You might like a little FAA comedy web series. Take a look at my channel. I made a movie, "Budget Justified," about what it was like to work in FAA offices in Washington
RoleModelEnterprises 2 years ago
holy.... 2 out 3 generator is down....
johnnycyyu 2 years ago
@johnnycyyu if they lost 3 out of 3 generators, would they have any control over the airplane?
xliver4 2 years ago
I guess the 3 generators are, 1 on each engine and one on APU. If all of them failed, let say fuel run out, the plane still got two backup power source, 1) Battery power, 2) Ram Air Turbine.
On Airbus, the Ram Air Turbine will deploy automatically and provide hydralic power, the hydralic power will then drive a generator to povide minimal elec. power. So the plane will still controllable but very limited (like no slats, no flaps, can't raise gears, very minimal braking...)
johnnycyyu 2 years ago
@johnnycyyu Correct and the best diplay of that was AIR CANADA FLIGHT 143 Gimli Glider (search Gimli Glider) it's a 5 part series on that plane's amazing landing. It tells about total power loss and using the RAM.
bigbluemsp 2 years ago
@bigbluemsp
It's a RAT. (Ram Air Turbine)
secret00agent00man 1 year ago
I guess Boeing plane are pretty much the same.
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masturmax1 2 years ago
i've done the cowbar landing in LGA
pinkwontons 2 years ago
CROWbar
cessnawings67 2 years ago
very interesting
TracyAndersonFoxhunt 2 years ago
You have to be impressed with the professionalism shown by these guys.
sonygvf 2 years ago 17
nice
zoeylilcuds 2 years ago
the text is wrong and it doesn't match up with the voice. he said 7000 not 11000 at the start, among other textual mistakes
italy430 2 years ago
You're welcome to post your own videos. Text is provided for those who need assistance understanding English communications: I am sure they will appreciate even if the subtitles aren't perfectly on cue. I do believe the altitude the pilot calls at the beginning is 11000.
kenadamsusa 2 years ago
Hi, I work as an Approach Controller in my country, I agree with you, the Alitalia pilot says 11000 thousand, thats for sure
yarcita 2 years ago
@kenadamsusa English is my first and only language, and I STILL need the subs sometimes to understand them... I don't know how the pilots do it.
TG626 2 years ago
@TG626 no you should wonder how the air traffic controllers do it. "be advised you are coming in broken and unreadable" pilot: "garble garble 2thousand, and.....garble garble inaudible" atc: "'callsign" say again, last heard was 2thousand....." pilot: "garble garble garble" lol. its rough
sandra4380 1 year ago
@kenadamsusa you're right, i really appreciate it, i don't speak that good english, i'm german and so im not interestet in the exat altitude of a plane, which difference makes it for this video, if he says 7000 or 11000?
smog1100 1 year ago
@kenadamsusa
LOL, seriously telling it sounds like both, if you concentrate and think that he's gonna say 7000 its 7000 & if you concentrate on 11000 it really looks like 11000, however 11000 looks more correct to me :P
shumayal7 1 year ago
@kenadamsusa & yeah , it has to be 11000 because he asks later to descend to 7000 :P why will he ask to descend if its already flying at 7000 ? :)
shumayal7 1 year ago
It was definitely 11 thousand.
thehugo09 2 years ago
If he was at 7 thousand, why would the controller tell him to DESCEND and maintain 7000. I second on you, it was 11 thousand.
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kilebuttcheek996 2 years ago
crowbar approach? what the hell is that?
jamestakeshi 2 years ago 2
It's like a slam dunk approach...
kenadamsusa 2 years ago 2
@jamestakeshi you descend fast, land fast.
TimTehPilot 1 year ago
"fuel remaining in hours" not "analysis"
sampat125 2 years ago 2
Air jamaica dude was funny its all good mun just lit a fatty and everything seems a ok we can always reroute to miami oh yeah we're GOOD!
cameron91101 2 years ago 29
757 is amended the "heavy"
d0rkiishchris 2 years ago
Fuel in hours not analysis.
Hyphyjuice415 2 years ago 2
so bad the text, it's not with the sounds...
victor981994 2 years ago 3
holy crap that guy at 3 mins talks fast
gcsjulian 2 years ago
there was almost an air collision, that's why.
pogopro 2 years ago
air jamaica lol! yeah man, the door got stuck but now it is ok, it came up by itself so all is good man
cjellwood 2 years ago 3
the controller asked for souls on board and fuel "in hours", not "analysis"
jayroo71 2 years ago 2
MTOM of the 757-200 is 113400 and therefore is not considerd as heavy. I just looked up for all the different kind of 767's and those vary between 142000kg's (767-200) and 204000kg's.(767-400ER). They are fully grown heavies :) All of this is very much in detail though, we both agree on the same principle so i'm not trying to be a smartass here :) I'm doing my ATPL theory course right now, i'm sure that within a year I won't have a clue what the weight for heavies is!
EEBraindeadEE 2 years ago
757-200 IS considered heavy due to it's Wake Turbulence but is the only A/C under MTOW 156.000T with that label.
MTOW of the 757-200 vary due to insurance and overfly-fees but is normally either 113.400 or 115.666kg.
Max structural takeoff weight, by the way, is 165.000kg.
almazzz123 2 years ago
what does "heavy" mean?
benje76 2 years ago
The term "heavy" in aviation refers to a large aircraft. "Heavy" aircraft also require additional spacing from other aircraft. These planes also carry more weight than normal aircraft, thus the term "heavy." Any aircraft larger than a Boeing 757 is considered a " heavy." I hope this cleared that up.
DjEchoe 2 years ago 2
I would prefer saying: Any aircraft with a MTOM ( max takeoff mass ) of more than 136000kg is considered as Heavy, regardless of the weight it actually has at takeoff cruise or landing. It is indeed mentioned upon initial contact of every frequency change to be sure an increased separation is applied for takeoff or landing.
EEBraindeadEE 2 years ago
Well, labeling an aircraft "heavy" with an MTOM of more than 136000kg would be more accurate, but it would also be more difficult to determine which aircraft would be given those labels. And wouldnt an aircraft with an MTOM of more than 136000kg be larger than a 757, which is the guidelines used nowadays to determine the "heavy" label between aircraft?
DjEchoe 2 years ago
Any aircraft with the capability to take off at 255,000lb. gross or more, whether or not it actually is at the time.
Brassbones09 2 years ago
thanks
benje76 2 years ago
How does one become an air traffic controller? I'm sure it pays well and is an interesting form of work.
Roguemember 2 years ago
Well from what I have researched and heard about Air Traffic Controllers is that you need a Bachelor's degree, you need to be less than 30 years of age before you begin your career, and you need to go to an FAA Air Traffic Controller School. And i think before you do all that you need to take a written apptitude test or something like that. Im not 100% sure but i think thats how it goes. Also, the pay is an exceptional 100K minimum a year excluding overtime.
DjEchoe 2 years ago
man, american controllers really need to slow down their rt delivery :) ... rushing only leads to say agains and incorrect readbacks^^
maskedhedgehog 2 years ago 3
The crowbar approach, how professional. You woudn't see that at Heathrow!
richtubeyou 2 years ago
fuel remaining in hours not fuel remaining analysis
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jazzdad24 2 years ago
I love the Jamaican airlines !
"Yeah well it is kind of working now - these machines eh man? sometimes I reckon they've got a mind of their own!!!. Where are we going again?"
Boy I wish I was that chilled out....
speedbanana2008 2 years ago 2
fly translove airlines gets you their on time.....captain high at your service.
niall005 2 years ago
fuel remain in hours, not analysis =P
kemestri 2 years ago
Why do the atc need to know how many souls are on board?
bigshot724 2 years ago
I'm assuming for emergency response purposes.. want to know how many people may need rescued and/or treatment (hopefully nothing more..)
siddartha611 2 years ago 4
to know how many people to look for if it crashes
ATCPee 2 years ago 2
Sometime Airliners carry corpses. They need to know how many people are on board-living.
flirjock 2 years ago
In the event of a bad landing, they need to have appropriate emergency medical teams availible. Thus the number on board.
willowhawk 2 years ago
You know I flew right seat in the military, and the pilot always said that's what it meant. There were only two of us onboard and I knew we never carried corpses. Thanks for the info. It makes more sense.
flirjock 2 years ago
is that really true? never heard of that....what's the reasoning for that?
EuropaBloke 2 years ago
"We can always go to Miami"
Air Jamaica pilots assume we are all as high on ganja as they are.
AntiStalinist 2 years ago
Planning a trip to Jamaica?
Fly Stoned Airlines and our flight attendents will guarantee that you'll arrive with a load :) Stoned Airlines! Jah wants you to fly!
Lolz.
WolYou 2 years ago
Jamaican pilots don't need aircraft
judgedredd123 2 years ago 3
lol
lahgethin 2 years ago
'fuel remaining analysis' should read 'fuel remaining in hours'.
ianchard 2 years ago
Not to pick nits .. but ATC is asking for "Fuel Remaining in Hours" .. not Analysis in the first bit. You can hear Alitalia's response of 1.5 hours for your own confirmation of that. ;)
Wizzardgirl 2 years ago 4
yeah.. it's called endurance.. you can give fuel information in time, weight, volume or range! depending wich information is most convenient..
weight and volume are the rarest since the controller dosn't knows how much fuel any given airplane burns at any given hour..
cheers
zepedrodematos 2 years ago
wtf hahaha that jm pilot was high as hell, we could go to miami or something like that wtf??? hahaha every little thing, gonna be alright.....
sun2k4 2 years ago
lol "or we could head to miami or something like that."
tetavo 2 years ago
Ya dis is Jamaica 016 pilotz, mon!
Poisonseed 2 years ago 6
Air Traffic Control is a stressful job, yes, it is less taxing at the lower level facilities, such as the one I am at. But there is no way any one that hasn't actually worked a position at one of the lvl 10-12 TRACONs/Towers/Centers will ever no what it is like. Just because you can rock an ATCsim, doesn't mean you can kick it with the true controllers.
Daris1586 2 years ago
can i ask you somthing, is it true that you can be convicted of a crime and go to jail if u make a mistake and cause a accident wen death is involved?
hwns 2 years ago
If the pilot is proved negligent, yes he can! It happend with the pilot of that airbus that crashed at an airshow in france.....
Jamesfromnyc 2 years ago
cool!!
monxini1982 2 years ago
hey zaphox its not light medium and heavy tard, its small, small plus, large and heavy
neblyxis 2 years ago
You might as well add the largest category that was recently introduced for the A380: "super".
kenadamsusa 2 years ago
ICAO weight standards are L, M, H. FAA standards are S, S+, L, H, and Super. Information on this can be found in the official contractions book located at the ATPubs site on the FAA's website. Google it.
pilot1226 2 years ago
Last I checked in the JO 7110.65S (Air Traffic Controller "Bible") it listed Small (S) Any aircraft of less than 12,500lbs MCTW, Small plus (S+) Any aircraft 12,500 to 41,000 lbs MCTW (Still technically a Small), Large any aircraft of more than 41,000 lbs MCTW, up to 255,000 lbs MCTW, and a heavy is any aircraft capable of take off weights of more than 255,000 lbs whether or not they are operating at this weight during a particular phase of flight. Appendix A., Para a-c & foot note +
Daris1586 2 years ago
ICAO is different from the JO 7110.65. Believe me, I'm familiar with it. There's an additional publication called a Contractions publication which has the make, model, identifier, and other pertinent information of any aircraft, not just the ones listed in Appendix A (which is used for quick-glance references). For example, a Global Express (GLEX) is listed in the Contractions book as "M". I say caution wake turbulence anyway, because it says I can do it whenever I think it may be a factor.
pilot1226 2 years ago
I wasn't saying you are wrong, I know ICAO is different, I mean just like at the equipment suffix and it is clear that it is different. I was poking more toward Kenadamsusa mentioning "super", which isn't in the current 7110, but I wouldn't be surprised if super or jumbo comes back into use, with the A380 and the Boeing Dreamliner.
Daris1586 2 years ago
its fuel remaining in hours.....not fuel remaining analysis!
jimbootte 3 years ago 4
hi whats the meaning of heavy?
hmfy 3 years ago
Its the wake turbulance catagory of the aircraft. There are light, medium and heavy. After heavy aircrafts you need extra separation.
Zaphox 3 years ago 5
thanks alot i learnt something today :)
hmfy 3 years ago
any aircraft weighing over 136 tonnes
blitzkriegvonbristow 2 years ago
i think more then a boeing 757 is considered "heavy"
howaboutht 2 years ago
yea, also whats wake turblence, like why can it mess up a plane?
cjracer1000 2 years ago
there like boat wakes an aircraft leaves wind like burst in the air and if an aircraft goes the same route in a short amount of time it creates really nasty turbulance and is extreamly hard to land in because your basically rolling up and around
howaboutht 2 years ago
okay, because i know what it is but like i didn't know what harm it did, thanks for ur response
cjracer1000 2 years ago
hey the remaining of Heavy is a large aircraft for ex : Boeing 747
Trav164 2 years ago
no, its if its over a specific weight. it just happens that a 747 is always heavy
glosairtourer 2 years ago
ok thanks for that
Trav164 2 years ago
could anyone explain about slam dunk approach. Does it like constant desc approach? just curious..TQ
gunting79 3 years ago
mainly where ATC try and get all aircraft waiting to land to land immediately. take-offs are suspended as i believe, and will use multiple runways for landings if applicable.
askewstuart 3 years ago
The expression defines a quick, steep descent authorized by traffic control to expedite the approach (or for noise abatement purposes in certain areas). Nothing to do with takeoffs. In the case of this recording, just a way to save the incoming flight a few minutes: it was late at night and there was very little traffic.
kenadamsusa 3 years ago
It's "Fuel remaining IN HOURS" not "analysis" as you have in your text
mi24hind 3 years ago 2
interesting conversations, thanx for uploading.
LH287 3 years ago 2
that's a fucking intense job. Not kidding.
Nassault630 3 years ago 3
ditto
boss302nard 3 years ago 2
3:31 all i heard was "slooo down bradda... rude bwai be ziggin zaggin chroo da clouds. me say we continue, if me need ta stop me always can stop in miami... BUH!!!"
zion3179 3 years ago 3
What is WAVEY? Is it a TACAN channel or something?
m1ndfr34k117 3 years ago
WAVEY is the intersection JM016 was instructed to fly to initially before resuming on the filed flight plan....
kcctest 3 years ago
soul refers to people on-board isnt?
bamvivala 3 years ago
yes
longlivemakavelli08 3 years ago
not people, any living thing. if there are 10 people and 5 dogs in the cargo hold, there are 15 souls on board.
zion3179 3 years ago
haha, i love it when they talk realy fast over atc...
glamterra 3 years ago
Fuel remaining in HOURS, not "fuel analysis". Which is part of the emergency checklist, hmm??? Think!
RASHskins 3 years ago
That's clear by now. At least three other users have pointed that out. Anything new to add to the discussion? Read!
kenadamsusa 3 years ago
Damn sound and subtitles are desync... Sync them and upload again xD
Eduprods 3 years ago
the Jaimaican accent is too cool!
pineappleboy1 3 years ago 2
I don't particularly like the Air Jamaica pilot's decision to proceed on course.
AWE319 3 years ago
ahh ATC just like an anesthesiologist, 90% routine, and 10% absolute freaking panic ^.^
dewbydo 3 years ago
My dad was ATC for 30 years and he's now 78 and just fine, go for it!!
NordicBlondeBeauty 3 years ago
ATC are required to retire at 56. So 78? Yeah stop lying.
Budmaster11 3 years ago
uh Budmaster11, he is right. 78-30=48. its is under the required age. Do your math right
yusukeaoki1234 3 years ago
Um no learn English. He said that he was in ATC for 30 years not 30 years ago. Now he might have meant that he retired a long time ago, but it makes it seem that he started the career at 48, and at 78 is still working there.
Budmaster11 3 years ago
You don't have to retire at 56. There's rules for former PATCO members - I know of one older than 60.., and waivers generally are approved for the age requirement.
pilot1226 2 years ago
I've heard many rumors about air traffic control being one of the most stressful professions and having a high suiside rate? Is this stuff true?..i ask becuase i am really interested in this profession
ikickballl 3 years ago
It used to be when there wasn't as much radar as there is today. In some tower/center facilities (the busiest mostly) there is a system that has access to over 1 million pieces of information regarding aircraft, failures, and things of that nature. It even includes menus of surrounding restaurants in the area.
slovely08 3 years ago
THIS is why there is a little stress in the job, not as much as there was before technology but there is some.
slovely08 3 years ago
Anyone saying the technology removes the pressure , is not a pilot or a controller.
faabound 3 years ago
Well, I am both. When I say technology I mean advances in radar and warning systems. I never said anything about removing the pressure completely you took it upon yourself to say that.
slovely08 3 years ago
Didn't mean to offend you , where are you working / flying out of?
faabound 3 years ago
I am working on my degree in Air Traffic Managment at Arizona State. Plus I am a member of Boston Virtual ATC which has extremely accurate ATC operations, many current and former controllers are on there, as well as the aspiring. I have toured a few towers including Boston Logan International. I have a private pilot license and working toward more certification. I was not offended but I should have chosen better words to explain what I was trying to say.
slovely08 3 years ago
wow, nice insight! :) very interesting to hear what goes on "behid the scenes".. can anyone explain what the "heavy" stands for?
Ariiah 3 years ago
When talking to air-traffic controllers, pilots will add the term "heavy" (more than 255,000 lbs.) to the end of the flight call sign on flights involving very large aircraft. This term alerts air-traffic controllers that they need to provide extra spacing between aircraft as these aircraft generate significant wake turbulence which can disrupt the flight path of the aircraft right behind.
moncarlotuazon 3 years ago 4
When talking to air-traffic controllers, pilots will add the term "heavy" (more than 255,000 lbs.) to the end of the flight call sign on flights involving very large aircraft. This term alerts air-traffic controllers that they need to provide extra spacing between aircraft as these aircraft generate significant wake turbulence which can disrupt the flight path of the aircraft right behind.
moncarlotuazon 3 years ago
thank you for the explanation! makes sense... :)
Ariiah 3 years ago
You are welcome... :-)
moncarlotuazon 3 years ago
"Ok the problem was: We had a gear door stuck down and we recycled the gear, It didn't come up. So we're thinking about coming back there, and all at a sudden, it just came up by itself. So we would like to proceed in route now." I like that part.
kevinthomsons 3 years ago
I like the Air Jamaica pilot. Nice and relaxed about the whole ordeal. Naaah, we'll keep going. Everybody back there is high-they don't care. Everybody up here is high-we don't care. Gear is down now it's up-Whatever. We can always come back or divert to Miami... or Seattle. It's all good.
jernstr 3 years ago 2
at 52 seconds when the controller requests souls on board he also requests the amount of fuel in hours, not analysis. Not to be anal or anything, but you really cant perform a fuel analysis while airbourne.
sfc7267 3 years ago
i was just about to post the same thing
chimoty 3 years ago
the guy with eva air is so fast. its hard to be a pilot with that guy
blueeyedbully 3 years ago
sometimes you need to talk fast to keep the paint from scraping.
XLBigRichard 3 years ago
He says, " Say fuel remaining in hours", not analysis
yoeasy69 3 years ago