@R3ALSimShady I traded for the sinew, and made the hide glue from scratch. I can get you the info for the guy with the sinew if you'ld like. Can't help you with the glue, but some people use Tite Bond III.
@R3ALSimShady you can buy it if you are lazy or make it if you are man (or tough woman)
make a sinew backed bow from scratch has a bit tricky since you need to kill an animal first so you have to make a normal bow, then kill the animal, then make the sinew backed bow (again assuming a survival situation)
a deer will yeild glue (boil the skin, bones, or hooves to make different glues, after an hour or so of boiling let the water reduce til a film forms on the top, remove the rest)
@R3ALSimShady (cont) for sinew you cut off the tendons and hit them with a flat rock (make sure to move perpendicular to the sinew do not hit at an angle or you will cut it) chewing works well too. this will separate the strands so the look like in the video.
animal glue can be fun to make btw, give it a try sometime, you can make hide glue from rawhides you get at the pet section of any store. just boil and reduce then let it set like jello (which is a very similar substance)
What do you think about steaming a Mongol into place Then sinew backing it? And what timber would be better, Silver Ash or spur wood? The spur wood is harder but a bit more brittle, where as the silver ash is quiet the opposite, a little soft but not at all brittle? Any help would be appreciated!
@andrewsexplosive You always need to shape the bow before sinew backing if you want a certain profile.
As far as timber goes I am not familiar with spur wood. We have silver ash up here, but there are better bow woods to be found.
If you plan on backing the bow with sinew I'd go for the tension weak/compression strong type of wood. With the sinew applied properly there is very little worry about tension failure.
@bcgrover Can you please tell me your opinion, I don't have long enough or flat enough goat horn locally, have you ever seen, or do you feel chopped horn closely packed in a glue matrix may work for the horn side? Thanks for the videos BTW, a good way to keep an old art alive.
Doesn't sound like it would work real well. Horn is used because it is strong in compression. If you chop it up it loses it's strong compression and the glue is now what it being compressed.
You need to saw the goat horn into thin strips about 1/4" thick, soak them in warm/hot water until they're flexible. When you glue the strips down, if they're not long enough, be sure the ends of the strips are butted tightly up against one another. Reinforce with sinew at these locations. Good luck!
have you considered backing the sinew back bow with a second backing of rawhide? it protects the sinew from splintering and damage, but most importantly from moisture. it also provides a good surface to paint on or glue a snakeskin for decoration. just a humble suggestion! I watch your videos religiously =)
Yes, this is a great video. But you messed up on when you said the batch was just about ready... you should soak them for 2-24 hours before aplling them to your bow or else you do not get the same durabality as you wout some that have been soaked longer.
@KreiggLOVER Have to say I disagree. There is no need to soak the sinew that long, unless you left the pieces way to thick to begin with. In fact, in my video I soak the sinew in warm water first, then in the hide glue. That isn't even needed. Now I go directly into the warm liquid hide glue and onto the bow. Complete saturation only takes a few minutes.
Great video. The sinew expands when it is soaked in warm, not hot, hide glue, if it's too hot the sinew will curl up and be useless. When it dries it contracts and adds some reflex to the bow. It keeps a bow from breaking and adds poundage. I have a bow I backed with elk and moose sinew and it broke in the handle, I wrapped sinew and hide glue over the break and it is stronger than ever and still shoots, 15 years later.
Great video. The sinew expands when it is soaked in warm, not hot, hide glue, if it's too hot the sinew will curl up and be useless. When it dries it contracts and adds some reflex to the bow. It keeps a bow from breaking. I have a bow I backed with elk and moose sinew and it broke in the handle, I wrapped sinew and hide glue over the break and it is stronger than ever and still shoots, 15 years later.
Yes, the bundles are dipped in warm liquid hide glue. In the video I dip them in water first, but have since found that this isn't needed. You can dip them directly in the liquid hide glue.
Rawhide works real well, and it's less expensive and easier to apply than sinew. However, you don't get the shrinkage and reflex that you would using sinew. And I believe sinew is stronger, but I have never broken a bow that was rawhide backed...Yet.
If you're a beginning bowyer I would go with the rawhide. Mainly because it's very easy and not very expensive.
where do you get the sinew and what glue do you use
R3ALSimShady 9 months ago
@R3ALSimShady I traded for the sinew, and made the hide glue from scratch. I can get you the info for the guy with the sinew if you'ld like. Can't help you with the glue, but some people use Tite Bond III.
bcgrover 9 months ago
where do you get the sinew
R3ALSimShady 9 months ago
@R3ALSimShady you can buy it if you are lazy or make it if you are man (or tough woman)
make a sinew backed bow from scratch has a bit tricky since you need to kill an animal first so you have to make a normal bow, then kill the animal, then make the sinew backed bow (again assuming a survival situation)
a deer will yeild glue (boil the skin, bones, or hooves to make different glues, after an hour or so of boiling let the water reduce til a film forms on the top, remove the rest)
tuseroni 2 weeks ago
@R3ALSimShady (cont) for sinew you cut off the tendons and hit them with a flat rock (make sure to move perpendicular to the sinew do not hit at an angle or you will cut it) chewing works well too. this will separate the strands so the look like in the video.
animal glue can be fun to make btw, give it a try sometime, you can make hide glue from rawhides you get at the pet section of any store. just boil and reduce then let it set like jello (which is a very similar substance)
tuseroni 2 weeks ago
I have a question...Do you tiller the bow to its full draw length before putting on the sinew? or wait untill the sinew goes on before tillering?
lpilk2007 11 months ago
@lpilk2007 I get it bending evenly, but not quite to full draw.
After applying the sinew I finish tillering it.
bcgrover 11 months ago
What do you think about steaming a Mongol into place Then sinew backing it? And what timber would be better, Silver Ash or spur wood? The spur wood is harder but a bit more brittle, where as the silver ash is quiet the opposite, a little soft but not at all brittle? Any help would be appreciated!
andrewsexplosive 1 year ago
@andrewsexplosive You always need to shape the bow before sinew backing if you want a certain profile.
As far as timber goes I am not familiar with spur wood. We have silver ash up here, but there are better bow woods to be found.
If you plan on backing the bow with sinew I'd go for the tension weak/compression strong type of wood. With the sinew applied properly there is very little worry about tension failure.
bcgrover 1 year ago
@bcgrover Thanks a lot for your help :) i will definately take your advise on board :D
andrewsexplosive 1 year ago
@bcgrover Thanks soo much for the help :D Really appreciate it!!!
andrewsexplosive 1 year ago
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@bcgrover Thanks soo much for the help :D Really appreciate it!!!
andrewsexplosive 1 year ago
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@bcgrover Thanks soo much for the help :D Really appreciate it!!!
andrewsexplosive 1 year ago
@bcgrover Can you please tell me your opinion, I don't have long enough or flat enough goat horn locally, have you ever seen, or do you feel chopped horn closely packed in a glue matrix may work for the horn side? Thanks for the videos BTW, a good way to keep an old art alive.
rubnayr 10 months ago
Doesn't sound like it would work real well. Horn is used because it is strong in compression. If you chop it up it loses it's strong compression and the glue is now what it being compressed.
You need to saw the goat horn into thin strips about 1/4" thick, soak them in warm/hot water until they're flexible. When you glue the strips down, if they're not long enough, be sure the ends of the strips are butted tightly up against one another. Reinforce with sinew at these locations. Good luck!
bcgrover 10 months ago
@bcgrover Good point with the glue compressing. Cheers for the advice.
rubnayr 10 months ago
where did you get your sinew? how much?
ohmr431 1 year ago
@ohmr431 I buy mine at a place called Native Way. Very reasonable prices.
bcgrover 1 year ago
@bcgrover How many packages of sinew do you need for an average length bow (5-6ft) ?
TheWoodlandsniper 1 year ago
@TheWoodlandsniper I used 8 rear lerg sinews shredded into fine threads.
bcgrover 1 year ago
have you considered backing the sinew back bow with a second backing of rawhide? it protects the sinew from splintering and damage, but most importantly from moisture. it also provides a good surface to paint on or glue a snakeskin for decoration. just a humble suggestion! I watch your videos religiously =)
hpfff 1 year ago
where can i get some sinew
andy1orlast 1 year ago
Yes, this is a great video. But you messed up on when you said the batch was just about ready... you should soak them for 2-24 hours before aplling them to your bow or else you do not get the same durabality as you wout some that have been soaked longer.
KreiggLOVER 1 year ago
@KreiggLOVER Have to say I disagree. There is no need to soak the sinew that long, unless you left the pieces way to thick to begin with. In fact, in my video I soak the sinew in warm water first, then in the hide glue. That isn't even needed. Now I go directly into the warm liquid hide glue and onto the bow. Complete saturation only takes a few minutes.
bcgrover 1 year ago
@bcgrover u think a sinew backed pine bow would work?..indians have used fir.and cedar and willow...so was pine never sinewed and used?
5tonyvvvv 1 year ago
@5tonyvvvv Nope. Pine is weak in compression. You'ld be better off trying to make a pine self bow and not adding sinew.
bcgrover 1 year ago
@5tonyvvvv the only use pine has is for burning and it's not even good for that
PrimitiveByNature 1 year ago
Great video. The sinew expands when it is soaked in warm, not hot, hide glue, if it's too hot the sinew will curl up and be useless. When it dries it contracts and adds some reflex to the bow. It keeps a bow from breaking and adds poundage. I have a bow I backed with elk and moose sinew and it broke in the handle, I wrapped sinew and hide glue over the break and it is stronger than ever and still shoots, 15 years later.
Ghillie999 1 year ago
Great video. The sinew expands when it is soaked in warm, not hot, hide glue, if it's too hot the sinew will curl up and be useless. When it dries it contracts and adds some reflex to the bow. It keeps a bow from breaking. I have a bow I backed with elk and moose sinew and it broke in the handle, I wrapped sinew and hide glue over the break and it is stronger than ever and still shoots, 15 years later.
Ghillie999 1 year ago
What is backing the bow? and what does it do for the bow?
Covny 1 year ago
Backing the bow is applying a layer of something to the back of the bow to make it stronger and/or more durable.
bcgrover 1 year ago
How do u make Sinew Originally was looking for a guide on that
Otterfreak1 2 years ago
Nice!!!!!!!!! I did this with bowdark tree for my wood, to make a bow.
tim3jones 2 years ago
What kind of glue are you using?
007380 2 years ago
Natural hide glue that I made out of deer rawhide and sinew.
bcgrover 2 years ago
Awesome, I love this stuff.
5 stars.
Conan568 2 years ago
Cool to see you in action:) I've seen some of your bows on paleo, good stuff!
Is this bow osage or whitewood of some kind? thickest at the handle? ?# at ?" ? why wrap the nocks with sinew btw? It realy looks like a punisher:D
barnehagefanden 2 years ago
Do you dip the bundles of sinew in the glue before applying them? If not what is your apllication process like.
josef2424 2 years ago
Yes, the bundles are dipped in warm liquid hide glue. In the video I dip them in water first, but have since found that this isn't needed. You can dip them directly in the liquid hide glue.
bcgrover 2 years ago
Rawhide works real well, and it's less expensive and easier to apply than sinew. However, you don't get the shrinkage and reflex that you would using sinew. And I believe sinew is stronger, but I have never broken a bow that was rawhide backed...Yet.
If you're a beginning bowyer I would go with the rawhide. Mainly because it's very easy and not very expensive.
bcgrover 2 years ago
Your used to backing your bow up with rawhide? Does that work well? How would you compare that to using sinew?
HalfKaztBoy 2 years ago
Hi mate, where did you buy or get the sinew from?
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