not how you fight against a spear. You have to stick your sword to the spear and run down it. Slice his fingers while rushing in and chop his head off. Never stand there at the end of his reach. I'd rush in and end it.
hey, where do you get the equipment for doing this sort of thing? The masks arn't normal fencing masks right? I do fencing and have just gotten into dag and bel and sca... but I don't like nopt being able to hit heads (or feet)... are you a part of a specific rule system or just free fencing on your own..
Swords are better 1 vs 1. A forest of spears is terrifying.
Shields count. 1 vs one, the guy with a sword and shield usually beats someone with a greatsword or spear. OTOH, spearmen can use shields too - check out Skallagrim's videos. Shields are also great against arrows.
@taitungknight : Really? Cause 1 on 1 I beat fighters using sword and board with just my spear all the time.
What really matters is warrior SKILL. No matter what kind of weapons are being used, if one warrior is that much skilled than the other, than the skilled one will likely win, unless they have a bought of bad luck.
Glaring weakness of the spear and any other weapon with a long handle: It is vulnerable to being grabbed and wrestled away. Countless times I've done that. He attacks, I sidestep, and quickly grab the pole, yank, he doesn't let go and comes forward with the weapon into my sword's reach <3
Zweihanders were exclusively made to counter spears, as their reach was long enough for the wielder to have time to react on the thrust, and direct the attack off of himself, thus leaving the spearman open for a counterattack. Also, there is no perfect weapon. Every weapon has it's disadvantages, and can be countered by another one.
@DiabolusIgnis I hope you're right. According to different sites, including TVtropes, the halberd, naginata and the other spears are regarded superior to the swords.
I wonder if there is a possibility that a man armed with an arming or long sword would defeat someone with a Yari, Naginata or Halberd.
But many people say: 'Spears can pierce through armour, Swords can't'
So... when are swords better and more superior in combat? (Nevermind the guns).
@PkmnMegahero The chances are very good actually. As the sword has a much shorter reach, it's also more (can't find fitting term), but I'll say 'movable', in close situations. Yes, the halberd might be superior to a sword, but a spear truly is not. In a fight at least. They're easier to do, which made them the main weapons of levy troops. But a longsword against a halberd would be interesting to see. As far as I see, skill is the biggest factor there.
@DiabolusIgnis I suppose there are chances that a longsword might win from someone who has a halberd or a naginata. I mean, if you get close enough upon the opponent, and you have blocked his reach to really hurt you, you can attack him very good because he is vulnerable (I guess).
It depends on many things. 1 vs 1 or group? shields? Armour? Rules?
A common ancestor of the spear, dane axe, halberd and (to a lesser extent) the longsword is the quarterstaff (or Jo staff) - and there are lots of take downs and butt strikes with the simple staff. Longer weapons aren't quite so helpless as one would think.
It's easier to HIT someone with a sword. It's easier to pierce armour with a pointy bit on the end of a long pole. More leverage.
@PkmnMegahero Swords are better and more superior in a combat against any weapon which mainly uses a thrust for attack. For example, anyone knowing what they're doing with a longsword can defeat a pikeman with ease. Spears are harder, as they can be turned around for a strike very fast. But the sword is always faster.
@PkmnMegahero Also, how can a spear pierce armour if a sword can't? It's actually easier to kill an armoured opponent with a sword than a spear thanks to these few factors.
-The sword is faster and more compatible.
-The sword is easier used for a strike to the head, knocking the opponent down.
-It's easier to stab in places unprotected with a sword.
@DiabolusIgnis : Because a spear has much more force behind it than a sword. It's physics. All of the force of two hands stabbing with a spear goes straight to the tip point. It's the same concept as a bullet, except different force is being emitted. A sword has less thrusting power and thus less force than a spear. Spears are made to pierce, it is their job. A swords purpose is to slash and sometimes hack, it's not designed to be the most effective piercing tool.
@Halofreakanoid The force is exactly the same when thrusting with a sword. (When using two-handed, as in the video here.) The tip is about the same size (Swords usually had even smaller tips than spears.), and thus the force behind the push is distributed on the same area. A sword's purpose is not to slash, hack nor even pierce, but to be overall good at all of these, which makes it a very good weapon.
@Halofreakanoid This post is on spears. Spears were not MADE for piercing. They were made to be cheap and fast-made weapons to arm a levy with. They were used with one hand (they were 1-2m tall, if I recall correctly.) with a shield. Now to two handed spears, when fighting with these you would stab when the range would allow you to. If the opponent came up close, you would stab him with your dagger/knife instead. If you had none, you would not back up to range, but strike with the shaft instead.
@DiabolusIgnis : So what you're saying is that there can only be one reason for the making of a weapon? Should I be more specific? The COMBAT REASON for making and then using a spear is to pierce, that is its primary function. Whether or not it was originally made for logistics purposes has no place in this. The point is its purpose as a weapon. They can be used with, or without a shield. Either way, a spear's primary function on the field is to hold off attackers from a distance while piercing.
@Halofreakanoid No. Did I say that? The spear is NOT made for piercing, it's just what it happens to do best. I think the logistics has a place in this, as it explains why they were used in the first place. A spear's primary function in the field was to arm a levy. Pikes were used for the distance.
I just want to make sure, do you actually think a spear can pierce through armour, or am I just imagining things?
@Halofreakanoid I wasn't lecturing. Also, how was I supposed to know that? Your knowledge doesn't really seem that good. In what do you use spears? SCA, padded?
@DiabolusIgnis : Padded or sparring, either or. I wasn't talking about the purpose of spears in general, I was referring to their use in combat.
If my knowledge seems inadequate, perhaps you are misunderstanding me as it seems, and perhaps there's only so many words I can put in a youtube comment....
@Halofreakanoid Ah, well there's a misunderstanding then. But still, as for their purpose in combat, I still stand my point.
Perhaps so, perhaps not. But you can answer with several comments, it's OK to do that. Do send me a message too if you feel that these comments can't be long or many enough.
Also, could you please answer that?
"I just want to make sure, do you actually think a spear can pierce through armour, or am I just imagining things?"
@DiabolusIgnis : It depends on what kind of armor. Chainmail, absolutely, leather, absolutely, scale, it's possible, plate, it's also possible but highly unlikely. Someone riding on horseback had a higher chance of a spear or pike piercing their armor because of the higher force being added. Though if I had a spear going up against plate armor I would make sure to have a hook on the spear. Tripping a Knight is an effective way of turning him into a turtle on its back.
@Halofreakanoid Now, here is where you are wrong. A spear can not pierce through a correctly made mail. It can pierce leather, but so can a sword. Scale? I think you mean lamellar. If it's leather, there's a chance the tip might slip between the pieces and through, but a metal lamellar won't give in that much. Plate, highly unlikely. Besides not being able to force through, the plate was made in a form which would direct any strike from any angle away from the body.
@DiabolusIgnis : A spear can pierce through mail. In fact, it's one of the reasons why plate armor was created. What matters is the kind of padding underneath the mail. Adding soft leather and wool padding underneath the mail would make it much less likely to be pierced.
No, I mean scale. A lamellar is only one type of scale armor. And it all depends on where they are being hit.
There have been accounts of even arrows piercing plate mail. I already said a spear was unlikely, but possible.
@Halofreakanoid A pierce can not pierce through a correctly made maille. Plate was created for directing the force away from the body, where as the maille could not do it. Also, you always wore something under the maille, mostly gambesons. Otherwise the impact of a hit would go directly through the maille to your body.
Yeah. I forgot all about the all too rare scale armor. Of course it does, but so does the material. Leather would give in enough for the point to get through, metal would not.
And only knights or soldiers of wealthy nations would be able to wear gambesons. For your everyday soldier just wearing layers of leather and/or cloth was the usual.
Scale armor was not rare at all, and in fact brigandines were used during and in between the mail and plate eras.
@Halofreakanoid The point of the video? He didn't pierce the maille with several strikes.
Do you know what a gambeson basically is? It's two layers of cloth, with filling in-between. Something like hay would suffice. Not that expensive, now is it? They were mostly self-made anyways.
No, but the term is. People talk about lamellar and brigandines, but rarely say scale armour. There were no real 'eras' for those. A knight would wear both plate and maille.
@Halofreakanoid Yes, and the arrow tip is much smaller and a higher force is needed. Whenever an arrow would pierce through plate, it has been from close range with a longbow. (About 220lb.) And even in these circumstances, it was very rare for the arrow not to glance off.
Anything is possible, of course. But still it's too unlikely for it to make a good shot. Instead of stabbing the plate armoured guy, you'd hit him off his legs. Because turtles are cool.
@DiabolusIgnis : A draw weight of over 180 lbs from a Warbow is highly unlikely even from the most hefty of soldiers. Even then an arrow could go through a single later of plate steel most of the time. And yes arrows could also bounce off, it all depends on how the armor is made and the details of the situation. This video explains watch?v=vQ_dX3sFrFM
@Halofreakanoid I wasn't talking about a warbow, I was talking about a longbow. And did you notice the 'plate' in the video? It was about 1mm, not 1,5-2mm as they were used. I could bend that one with my arms.
@Halofreakanoid No, they are not the same. A warbow spans most bows used in wars, whereas a longbow is simply a type of a warbow. The longbow's poundage is well over 110lb, too.
That man, a historian? Please. He himself said he started that as a hobby. I don't know about you, but I will not take that man seriously. Besides that, he presented no facts you can't find on wikipedia. And analyzing the video, you'd see it was made to have people believe the longbow is an ultimate weapon. Propaganda.
@DiabolusIgnis : LOL, you obviously no nothing about the Longbow. They ARE the same design of bow. If a Longbow has a draw weight of over 110 lbs, it is considered a Warbow. If it is under, than it is a Longbow. The reason being because a draw weight of under 110lbs is of little use for war. 160-180 lbs is standard for use in war. I OWN both, the ONLY difference is the draw weight.
Really? Who DOESN'T start off historical ventures with a hobby? The Key word there is "STARTED".
@Halofreakanoid Yes, did I say they had different designs? No, I did not. So your whole point of poundage here is quite unnecessary. I too own a bow, although it's only 25lb of draw weight. Still it's design is just the same as any bow I've ever tried.
Well, you could study it, for example. Like most real historians do. It just seems to me that he still does it as a hobby, so I won't take him that seriously.
@Halofreakanoid Side note about that plate he had. I have worn 1mm, 1,5mm and 2mm plates. I know how they look like, and I still think that plate he had is just 1mm. Way too small for testing armour penetration. And it wasn't even curved like it should have been.
@DiabolusIgnis: Honestly? He did no such thing at all. He stated FACTS about Warbows and Longbows. Everything he says goes with historical accounts of the weapons. If he wanted to make it seem like it was the ultimate weapon, then he wouldn't have mentioned the accounts of arrows glancing off armor.
He's made his entire life about the Longbow, so OBVIOUSLY he has NO idea what he's talking about, especially compared to you. /sarcasm
@Halofreakanoid "I started shooting through a neighbor of mine." That does sound like a hobby to me. Facts you can find on wikipedia. Of course they do, because people aren't that stupid. Analyze the video a bit further, the music, the pictures. They are made to bring up only the good things in a longbow.
What is he, 25, 30? That's not your entire life. Also, going personal is the worst call you can make in an argument. It undermines everything you say.
@Halofreakanoid When a knight would ride against you it would be useless to try to stab him with a spear. Instead you would evade the horse and stab it's side, trying to kill it. If the horse fell, so did the knight. But you're completely right about tripping an armoured opponent, it's very effective. An armoured opponent would, however, be able to stand up on his own, so you'd need to close in fast. In this situation you would draw your dagger to stab him in unarmoured places, throat, face etc.
@DiabolusIgnis : There's more than just one tactic in bringing down a mounted knight. That is just one of them. Going at the rider with a pike is just as effective. Even if the massive force being employed doesn't go through the plate, it will still knock the Knight clean off the horse, where he will almost immediately be stabbed by the enemies around him (Assuming they didn't care for chivalry).
Yes they would be able to, however that would be about 5-10 seconds of not being able to fight.
@Halofreakanoid Of course there is. A rider would ride against pikemen too rarely for that to be a real 'tactic'. It's more like what you just do. And when they did ride against pikemen, they would be greeted by a pikewall. That makes for several pikes against you, so of course you would fall off. Then again, you would not be surrounded by enemies, but by dead horses and other fallen knights.
@Halofreakanoid And if only one pike would hit you, it would have a very small chance of hitting somewhere where it does not bounce off from the armor. Especially if the knight had a shield, which they almost always did. That's why you'd want to hit the horse instead.
And that's no more than for about anyone else in a medieval battlefield. But then again, that tactic works for about anyone else on a medieval battlefield.
Nice but why didnt that guy with a sword just run over that spear? I mean that just block the first stike, grab the spear with other hand and then finish the spearman... Easy :D
Well spear might be a bit faster but it's not fast enough... If the swordman manages to block the first strike he can easily grab the spear... And thats it :P
not how you fight against a spear. You have to stick your sword to the spear and run down it. Slice his fingers while rushing in and chop his head off. Never stand there at the end of his reach. I'd rush in and end it.
lmichaelhuang3 2 months ago
the guy with the longsword... was he HOLDING the blade of the sword for a good 10 seconds....-___- not gonna lie thats a harsh fail
MrDuelistdrew 6 months ago
@MrDuelistdrew it's called half swording, it is used in armored fighting
darkfiete 6 months ago
@darkfiete ahh, sorry, the armor fact was ignored.. i dnt spar with armor, but okay ty 4 the info
MrDuelistdrew 6 months ago
Guy with the sword sucks. Guy with the spear actually knows wtf he's doing.
joegt123 7 months ago
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U guys are the biggest nerds around get a fucking life jeez.
MoneyMan297 8 months ago
hey, where do you get the equipment for doing this sort of thing? The masks arn't normal fencing masks right? I do fencing and have just gotten into dag and bel and sca... but I don't like nopt being able to hit heads (or feet)... are you a part of a specific rule system or just free fencing on your own..
Ruskulism 10 months ago
"do this faster"
blink180heights 11 months ago
Swords are better 1 vs 1. A forest of spears is terrifying.
Shields count. 1 vs one, the guy with a sword and shield usually beats someone with a greatsword or spear. OTOH, spearmen can use shields too - check out Skallagrim's videos. Shields are also great against arrows.
taitungknight 1 year ago
@taitungknight : Really? Cause 1 on 1 I beat fighters using sword and board with just my spear all the time.
What really matters is warrior SKILL. No matter what kind of weapons are being used, if one warrior is that much skilled than the other, than the skilled one will likely win, unless they have a bought of bad luck.
Halofreakanoid 1 year ago
Spears are a perfect weapon, the only way you can counter one is with a shield and a sword and you must get in close.
CrankItEveryDay 2 years ago
Glaring weakness of the spear and any other weapon with a long handle: It is vulnerable to being grabbed and wrestled away. Countless times I've done that. He attacks, I sidestep, and quickly grab the pole, yank, he doesn't let go and comes forward with the weapon into my sword's reach <3
AkeronLikeMusic 2 years ago
Zweihanders were exclusively made to counter spears, as their reach was long enough for the wielder to have time to react on the thrust, and direct the attack off of himself, thus leaving the spearman open for a counterattack. Also, there is no perfect weapon. Every weapon has it's disadvantages, and can be countered by another one.
DiabolusIgnis 2 years ago
@DiabolusIgnis I hope you're right. According to different sites, including TVtropes, the halberd, naginata and the other spears are regarded superior to the swords.
I wonder if there is a possibility that a man armed with an arming or long sword would defeat someone with a Yari, Naginata or Halberd.
But many people say: 'Spears can pierce through armour, Swords can't'
So... when are swords better and more superior in combat? (Nevermind the guns).
PkmnMegahero 1 year ago
@PkmnMegahero The chances are very good actually. As the sword has a much shorter reach, it's also more (can't find fitting term), but I'll say 'movable', in close situations. Yes, the halberd might be superior to a sword, but a spear truly is not. In a fight at least. They're easier to do, which made them the main weapons of levy troops. But a longsword against a halberd would be interesting to see. As far as I see, skill is the biggest factor there.
DiabolusIgnis 1 year ago
@DiabolusIgnis I suppose there are chances that a longsword might win from someone who has a halberd or a naginata. I mean, if you get close enough upon the opponent, and you have blocked his reach to really hurt you, you can attack him very good because he is vulnerable (I guess).
But it is the skill.
PkmnMegahero 1 year ago
@PkmnMegahero
It depends on many things. 1 vs 1 or group? shields? Armour? Rules?
A common ancestor of the spear, dane axe, halberd and (to a lesser extent) the longsword is the quarterstaff (or Jo staff) - and there are lots of take downs and butt strikes with the simple staff. Longer weapons aren't quite so helpless as one would think.
It's easier to HIT someone with a sword. It's easier to pierce armour with a pointy bit on the end of a long pole. More leverage.
taitungknight 1 year ago
@PkmnMegahero Swords are better and more superior in a combat against any weapon which mainly uses a thrust for attack. For example, anyone knowing what they're doing with a longsword can defeat a pikeman with ease. Spears are harder, as they can be turned around for a strike very fast. But the sword is always faster.
DiabolusIgnis 1 year ago
@PkmnMegahero Also, how can a spear pierce armour if a sword can't? It's actually easier to kill an armoured opponent with a sword than a spear thanks to these few factors.
-The sword is faster and more compatible.
-The sword is easier used for a strike to the head, knocking the opponent down.
-It's easier to stab in places unprotected with a sword.
DiabolusIgnis 1 year ago
@DiabolusIgnis : Because a spear has much more force behind it than a sword. It's physics. All of the force of two hands stabbing with a spear goes straight to the tip point. It's the same concept as a bullet, except different force is being emitted. A sword has less thrusting power and thus less force than a spear. Spears are made to pierce, it is their job. A swords purpose is to slash and sometimes hack, it's not designed to be the most effective piercing tool.
Halofreakanoid 1 year ago
@Halofreakanoid The force is exactly the same when thrusting with a sword. (When using two-handed, as in the video here.) The tip is about the same size (Swords usually had even smaller tips than spears.), and thus the force behind the push is distributed on the same area. A sword's purpose is not to slash, hack nor even pierce, but to be overall good at all of these, which makes it a very good weapon.
DiabolusIgnis 11 months ago
@Halofreakanoid This post is on spears. Spears were not MADE for piercing. They were made to be cheap and fast-made weapons to arm a levy with. They were used with one hand (they were 1-2m tall, if I recall correctly.) with a shield. Now to two handed spears, when fighting with these you would stab when the range would allow you to. If the opponent came up close, you would stab him with your dagger/knife instead. If you had none, you would not back up to range, but strike with the shaft instead.
DiabolusIgnis 11 months ago
@DiabolusIgnis : So what you're saying is that there can only be one reason for the making of a weapon? Should I be more specific? The COMBAT REASON for making and then using a spear is to pierce, that is its primary function. Whether or not it was originally made for logistics purposes has no place in this. The point is its purpose as a weapon. They can be used with, or without a shield. Either way, a spear's primary function on the field is to hold off attackers from a distance while piercing.
Halofreakanoid 11 months ago
@Halofreakanoid No. Did I say that? The spear is NOT made for piercing, it's just what it happens to do best. I think the logistics has a place in this, as it explains why they were used in the first place. A spear's primary function in the field was to arm a levy. Pikes were used for the distance.
I just want to make sure, do you actually think a spear can pierce through armour, or am I just imagining things?
DiabolusIgnis 11 months ago
@DiabolusIgnis : You don't need to lecture me on how to USE a spear, as I use them as my primary weapon constantly.
Halofreakanoid 11 months ago
@Halofreakanoid I wasn't lecturing. Also, how was I supposed to know that? Your knowledge doesn't really seem that good. In what do you use spears? SCA, padded?
DiabolusIgnis 11 months ago
@DiabolusIgnis : Padded or sparring, either or. I wasn't talking about the purpose of spears in general, I was referring to their use in combat.
If my knowledge seems inadequate, perhaps you are misunderstanding me as it seems, and perhaps there's only so many words I can put in a youtube comment....
Halofreakanoid 11 months ago
@Halofreakanoid Ah, well there's a misunderstanding then. But still, as for their purpose in combat, I still stand my point.
Perhaps so, perhaps not. But you can answer with several comments, it's OK to do that. Do send me a message too if you feel that these comments can't be long or many enough.
Also, could you please answer that?
"I just want to make sure, do you actually think a spear can pierce through armour, or am I just imagining things?"
DiabolusIgnis 11 months ago
@DiabolusIgnis : It depends on what kind of armor. Chainmail, absolutely, leather, absolutely, scale, it's possible, plate, it's also possible but highly unlikely. Someone riding on horseback had a higher chance of a spear or pike piercing their armor because of the higher force being added. Though if I had a spear going up against plate armor I would make sure to have a hook on the spear. Tripping a Knight is an effective way of turning him into a turtle on its back.
Halofreakanoid 11 months ago
@Halofreakanoid Now, here is where you are wrong. A spear can not pierce through a correctly made mail. It can pierce leather, but so can a sword. Scale? I think you mean lamellar. If it's leather, there's a chance the tip might slip between the pieces and through, but a metal lamellar won't give in that much. Plate, highly unlikely. Besides not being able to force through, the plate was made in a form which would direct any strike from any angle away from the body.
DiabolusIgnis 11 months ago
@DiabolusIgnis : A spear can pierce through mail. In fact, it's one of the reasons why plate armor was created. What matters is the kind of padding underneath the mail. Adding soft leather and wool padding underneath the mail would make it much less likely to be pierced.
No, I mean scale. A lamellar is only one type of scale armor. And it all depends on where they are being hit.
There have been accounts of even arrows piercing plate mail. I already said a spear was unlikely, but possible.
Halofreakanoid 11 months ago
@Halofreakanoid A pierce can not pierce through a correctly made maille. Plate was created for directing the force away from the body, where as the maille could not do it. Also, you always wore something under the maille, mostly gambesons. Otherwise the impact of a hit would go directly through the maille to your body.
Yeah. I forgot all about the all too rare scale armor. Of course it does, but so does the material. Leather would give in enough for the point to get through, metal would not.
DiabolusIgnis 11 months ago
@DiabolusIgnis : Really? watch?v=VGu4bpb4eTI
And only knights or soldiers of wealthy nations would be able to wear gambesons. For your everyday soldier just wearing layers of leather and/or cloth was the usual.
Scale armor was not rare at all, and in fact brigandines were used during and in between the mail and plate eras.
Halofreakanoid 11 months ago
@Halofreakanoid The point of the video? He didn't pierce the maille with several strikes.
Do you know what a gambeson basically is? It's two layers of cloth, with filling in-between. Something like hay would suffice. Not that expensive, now is it? They were mostly self-made anyways.
No, but the term is. People talk about lamellar and brigandines, but rarely say scale armour. There were no real 'eras' for those. A knight would wear both plate and maille.
DiabolusIgnis 11 months ago
@Halofreakanoid Yes, and the arrow tip is much smaller and a higher force is needed. Whenever an arrow would pierce through plate, it has been from close range with a longbow. (About 220lb.) And even in these circumstances, it was very rare for the arrow not to glance off.
Anything is possible, of course. But still it's too unlikely for it to make a good shot. Instead of stabbing the plate armoured guy, you'd hit him off his legs. Because turtles are cool.
DiabolusIgnis 11 months ago
@DiabolusIgnis : A draw weight of over 180 lbs from a Warbow is highly unlikely even from the most hefty of soldiers. Even then an arrow could go through a single later of plate steel most of the time. And yes arrows could also bounce off, it all depends on how the armor is made and the details of the situation. This video explains watch?v=vQ_dX3sFrFM
Halofreakanoid 11 months ago
@Halofreakanoid I wasn't talking about a warbow, I was talking about a longbow. And did you notice the 'plate' in the video? It was about 1mm, not 1,5-2mm as they were used. I could bend that one with my arms.
DiabolusIgnis 11 months ago
@DiabolusIgnis : A Warbow and a Longbow are the exact same thing. The only difference is that a longbow has poundage under 110 lbs.
That plate was of appropriate thickness for real plate armor. He's a historian and he's not going to use something that's fabricated.
Halofreakanoid 11 months ago
@Halofreakanoid No, they are not the same. A warbow spans most bows used in wars, whereas a longbow is simply a type of a warbow. The longbow's poundage is well over 110lb, too.
That man, a historian? Please. He himself said he started that as a hobby. I don't know about you, but I will not take that man seriously. Besides that, he presented no facts you can't find on wikipedia. And analyzing the video, you'd see it was made to have people believe the longbow is an ultimate weapon. Propaganda.
DiabolusIgnis 11 months ago
@DiabolusIgnis : LOL, you obviously no nothing about the Longbow. They ARE the same design of bow. If a Longbow has a draw weight of over 110 lbs, it is considered a Warbow. If it is under, than it is a Longbow. The reason being because a draw weight of under 110lbs is of little use for war. 160-180 lbs is standard for use in war. I OWN both, the ONLY difference is the draw weight.
Really? Who DOESN'T start off historical ventures with a hobby? The Key word there is "STARTED".
Halofreakanoid 11 months ago
@Halofreakanoid Yes, did I say they had different designs? No, I did not. So your whole point of poundage here is quite unnecessary. I too own a bow, although it's only 25lb of draw weight. Still it's design is just the same as any bow I've ever tried.
Well, you could study it, for example. Like most real historians do. It just seems to me that he still does it as a hobby, so I won't take him that seriously.
DiabolusIgnis 11 months ago
@Halofreakanoid Side note about that plate he had. I have worn 1mm, 1,5mm and 2mm plates. I know how they look like, and I still think that plate he had is just 1mm. Way too small for testing armour penetration. And it wasn't even curved like it should have been.
DiabolusIgnis 11 months ago
@DiabolusIgnis: Honestly? He did no such thing at all. He stated FACTS about Warbows and Longbows. Everything he says goes with historical accounts of the weapons. If he wanted to make it seem like it was the ultimate weapon, then he wouldn't have mentioned the accounts of arrows glancing off armor.
He's made his entire life about the Longbow, so OBVIOUSLY he has NO idea what he's talking about, especially compared to you. /sarcasm
Halofreakanoid 11 months ago
@Halofreakanoid "I started shooting through a neighbor of mine." That does sound like a hobby to me. Facts you can find on wikipedia. Of course they do, because people aren't that stupid. Analyze the video a bit further, the music, the pictures. They are made to bring up only the good things in a longbow.
What is he, 25, 30? That's not your entire life. Also, going personal is the worst call you can make in an argument. It undermines everything you say.
DiabolusIgnis 11 months ago
@Halofreakanoid When a knight would ride against you it would be useless to try to stab him with a spear. Instead you would evade the horse and stab it's side, trying to kill it. If the horse fell, so did the knight. But you're completely right about tripping an armoured opponent, it's very effective. An armoured opponent would, however, be able to stand up on his own, so you'd need to close in fast. In this situation you would draw your dagger to stab him in unarmoured places, throat, face etc.
DiabolusIgnis 11 months ago
@DiabolusIgnis : There's more than just one tactic in bringing down a mounted knight. That is just one of them. Going at the rider with a pike is just as effective. Even if the massive force being employed doesn't go through the plate, it will still knock the Knight clean off the horse, where he will almost immediately be stabbed by the enemies around him (Assuming they didn't care for chivalry).
Yes they would be able to, however that would be about 5-10 seconds of not being able to fight.
Halofreakanoid 11 months ago
@Halofreakanoid Of course there is. A rider would ride against pikemen too rarely for that to be a real 'tactic'. It's more like what you just do. And when they did ride against pikemen, they would be greeted by a pikewall. That makes for several pikes against you, so of course you would fall off. Then again, you would not be surrounded by enemies, but by dead horses and other fallen knights.
DiabolusIgnis 11 months ago
@Halofreakanoid And if only one pike would hit you, it would have a very small chance of hitting somewhere where it does not bounce off from the armor. Especially if the knight had a shield, which they almost always did. That's why you'd want to hit the horse instead.
And that's no more than for about anyone else in a medieval battlefield. But then again, that tactic works for about anyone else on a medieval battlefield.
DiabolusIgnis 11 months ago
if the swordsman have great reflexes, fast footwork, and experience at deflecting a stabbing weapon, he would probably have won.
Othwise, no doubt about it, the spearman would've won.
derallter 2 years ago
Nice but why didnt that guy with a sword just run over that spear? I mean that just block the first stike, grab the spear with other hand and then finish the spearman... Easy :D
Hmm.. Bad english at this time of night
Aapelus 2 years ago
spear is probably very fast... have to be very cautious?
JayCeeEss1337 2 years ago
Well spear might be a bit faster but it's not fast enough... If the swordman manages to block the first strike he can easily grab the spear... And thats it :P
Aapelus 2 years ago
I love spears.
I don't like swords.
HerrQuixota 2 years ago
Nice. =P
VegaEtereo 2 years ago
Swords are cool, but a spear would probably win in most cases... =(
Swordsman needs a sheild or something to GTFO that spear.
HitodamaKyrie 2 years ago
A good option is to defend or avoid the point, take the stick and kill him :P
VegaEtereo 2 years ago
Yup.
HitodamaKyrie 2 years ago
lol DO THIS FASTER!
bobothehobo333 2 years ago
guns don't kill people, bullets do. What good is a gun without bullets ;P
kardentyrell 3 years ago
it's still a heavy chunk of metal, if you have a good aim, it's a good throwing weapon.
musicalpooo 3 years ago
bashing a face in with the butt of it of course.
rifler27 2 years ago
yes i gun would win. well put.
GRRAB 3 years ago
halfsword's the best way to go...though you dont have much room
worldfest 3 years ago
Sorry guys, but stick to the/your gun and leave the longsword (Thalhoffer) over here in Europe where it belongs to.
Fritztoons 4 years ago 2
punch the man who suggests using a gun.
shavadavadava 4 years ago