Nicaragua volcano beckons thrill seekers

[BrokenChinglish]

Al Jazeera support terrorists and promotes spread of radical islam around the world the kind that hangs boys for being homosexuals and endorse honor killings say no to this fucking garbage that is sharia law and islam

[jmartinez318]

Why does race have to be thrown into this? Jesus Christ. The tourists bring money. Nicaraguans benefit. Uno no tiene que ser de herencia Latinoamericana para comprender eso. The Nicaraguan people benefit, the tourists have fun and everyone is happy. End of story.

[12amnews]

this is about having fun in nicaragua.. Im Nica and ik Tourists have always been welcome to Nicaragua regardless of their color of skin or language. Visit Leon and drop few dollars in the bucket :) dont hate

[GustavoCLa]

What is very sad is people that have nothing to do with Latin America (maybe their father or mother come from here) speaking bigotry in our name.

[GustavoCLa]

All the imbeciles saying imbecilities about "whites this", "whites that" are from USA or Canada. Only North Americans to say such stupidities. A real Latin American (that is, those born and rased Latin America) would very unlikely make such atrocious comments. By they way, there are whites in Nicaragua too, did you know? No, of course, probably a bunch of ignorants who think Hispanic is a race.

[77musica]

@GustavoCLa I was raised in Nic, and I not only dislike americans but some fucking Nicaraguans who kiss ass to others like amercians, and in fact, when others like puertoricans musicians visit and bunch of "jinchos" flack to see them but do not support their own(NICAS).

[jmartinez318]

@77musica Disliking Americans isn't cool, dude. Don't judge foreign politics as a means to judge Americans as a whole. Yo soy Nica, but I'm American. (Note the juxtaposition). Just because Marco Rubio says X about Nicaragua and Ortega, doesn't mean we all see the same views. On the contrary, some of us think the opposite.

The United States and its citizens are actually interested in seeing warmer ties with Nicaragua.

Un abrazo.

[jmartinez318]

@GustavoCLa You can certainly argue that Hispanics are a race. But that argument stems from the incompatability of Latin American origins with other cultures, particularly in larger multiethnic societies like the United States and Canada, as well as Europe. Humans think in categories. We like to try to organize ourselves as such. It's not just an American issue. Same happens in France, too. (I studied in France for four months in Strasbourg, a few kms from the German border).

[GustavoCLa]

@jmartinez318 To argue that Hispanic is a race is as much nonsense as to argue that American or Canadian is a race. They just got a region of the world and decided that everybody from there is from a certain race. I'm not against a person beeing called Hispanic, as long as it makes sense. One basic requirement for a person beeing called Hispanic should be if he or she is fluent in Spanish.

[jmartinez318]

@GustavoCLa Americans and Canadians are incompatable with the argument because it does not correlate with an ethnic group. IE: white. They are a common culture with common origins, hence, the idea of race. It also helps that they speak an anglo-saxon language, have a certain skin color and have origins from Europe. Being Hispanic does not require the acquisition of Spanish, rather the collected identity of someone from the hispanosphere, a product of colonialism.

[GustavoCLa]

(1) I'm trying to organize the bunch of statements you made. You say Americans and Canadians do not correlate with an ethnic group. Hispanics correlate with an ethnic group? Which ethnic group, then? The same ethnic group that was artificially created for Hispanic (Hispanics)? Sounds a circular argument. When I talk about race I'm not talking about culture. A human race is a group of people with a set of hereditary physical traits.

[jmartinez318]

@GustavoCLa Yes, hispanics do: themselves. By the very nature we categorize people, they are considered a race because they do not possess the physical characteristics nor exact cultural replications of other groups. Hey, I'm not the one here who made these categories. C'est comme ca. It's something that's been there for centuries. Race is the power of an illusion, an illusion that is institutionalized by governments as a means to categorize.

[GustavoCLa]

@jmartinez318 (2) About Puerto Ricans you said "colonized and indoctrinated without alterations to physical appearance". What are you talking about? Puerto Ricans of today have nothing to do with the original inhabitants of Puerto Rico. Where the hell did you take the information that black or white Hispanics do not identify themselfes as such? Maybe in the US, but again, that's my point of Americans of Hispanic origin accepting too easily the American narrative about themselfes.

[jmartinez318]

@GustavoCLa I did not say that about Puerto Ricans, please reread the statement again, and you will see that you have constructed a logical fallacy. I said that race is the result of colonization. You can't change a person's appearance, so our good friends the colonizers put them in a category that differentiated them. Belgians did it in Rwanda, and so did the French in Morocco. The information I argue is based on American diaspora groups. I have done university studies on identity.

[GustavoCLa]

@jmartinez318 (3) What has the race of a person to do with his or her culture? Gosh, blacks have so many different cultures, they come from so many different parts of the world, Latin America, USA, Africa (very diverse by itself), the Arab world, and you tell me "blacks" are people from a specific culture? And based on what you chose such culture over the other. Why are English-speaking blacks supposed to be the right blacks?

[jmartinez318]

@GustavoCLa The culture argument refers specifically to the instance of people who face the situation as the Black Panamanian. Because I am black, others will see me as such, but if I am black, but not from Africa, I will reflect on my culture and background to construct my identity. That identity becomes infused with the ideas of race, either for the person constructing that identity, or for those who see the person in question. There are no right blacks, we talk about identity and individuals.

[GustavoCLa]

@jmartinez318 (4) Regarding your observation about Southern Europeans, I don't know what you mean with "independence". All the differences you mention seems difficult to measure to me. Anyway, they're irrelevant, they're kind of difference that differenciate a white American from Kansas and one from California, for example. By the way, the heavy European immigration to the River Plate region happened before WWII (between 1875-1945), not after.

[jmartinez318]

@GustavoCLa Independence as in self-autonomy and identification status with their home state. They are not difficult to measure, feel free to fly over to Southern Europe. (Alitala always has great deals, I'd go if I were you.) You'll see how people identify themselves. Yes, they differentiate white Americans from Kansas and CA, but they also differentiate various ethnic groups and "races," as they do in the Balkans states (which played a role in the conflicts of the 1990s.)

[jmartinez318]

@GustavoCLa Yes, heavy immigration was present in the early years before WWII, thanks for noting my error as I was sipping on coffee. I invite you to look at the works of Samim Akgönül and identity. Might not be on the net, but he's a great professor who talks about identity and the like.

[GustavoCLa]

@jmartinez318 I am not sure anymore if we are discussing the same thing. My definition of race was very clearly stated in one of my previous replies. By race I mean race. I don't mean "census categories" "ethnicities" "groups" or anything. I'm talking about RACE here. This has nothing to do with sociology, anthropology or whatever. It's biology. I will not try to speak in Russian here with a person who is fluent in Greek.

[jmartinez318]

@GustavoCLa See, the problem is that race engulfs all those constituents. It's not only a biological component, and it does have a strong relationship with anthropology. Race is a human construction. Don't try to "speak Russian" because I understand you, but you fail to realize the counterargument. Yes, we all have biological differences, but humans have a knack for order and try to throw people who look "different" under the bus.

[GustavoCLa]

@jmartinez318 (2) Do you believe that Latin Americans have a set of physical characteristics that belong to them only and are not present in other places of the world? Apparently you don't think so. You acknowlegded black Panamanians and Argentinians with European ascent. Good, me too. We agree on that. The discussion is finished.

[jmartinez318]

@GustavoCLa Yes and No. Latin Americans is a broad term. You go to Peru, most people look indigenous. Panama, mostly black. Paraguay and Nicaragua, mestizo. Argentina and Uruguay: white. There is diversity, no doubt. But because of the human categorization process, people ignorantly throw people under the same bus because of their origins and status of speaking Spanish. The later takes precedence over the origins. As such, the term Hispanic becomes a race. Correct or not, it's still there.

[robloxpwnmaster3]

@jmartinez318 actually argentians are from italy

[jmartinez318]

@robloxpwnmaster3 Not entirely. There's a significant German-Argentine population. It's the second largest German diaspora in Latin America after Brazil.

[jmartinez318]

@GustavoCLa To me, it comes to no surprise that people of L.A. origin that identify as Hispanic/Latino and do not indicate a "race," IE: white, black, asian, etc. It's the perceived notion of various origins, different physical characteristics from other established groups in the United States, Canada and the EU, and a language different from the other groups. That's the bulk of this whole race ideology.

[GustavoCLa]

@jmartinez318 What you are calling race I call ethnic group

[jmartinez318]

@GustavoCLa IE: a Puerto Rican who does not speak Spanish is still considered Hispanic because of their origin(s). (In Latin American and diaspora circles, it may be seen the opposite). But because they have origins from a certain place in the world, colonized and indoctrinated (without alterations to physical appearance), the group is labeled as a race simply because of physical difference. Even then, it gets more complex because a hispanic may not identity themselves as white or black because

[jmartinez318]

@GustavoCLa they do not fit the whole criteria to belong to that group. IE: a black Panamanian may be considered black to black people, but the Panamanian does not identify themselves as part of that group because of the cultural background. Humans think in categories. Who was it that said that...don't remember if that was Marx...some dude said it and they're absolutely right. Humans are prone to categorizing themselves and want to do it perfectly.

[GustavoCLa]

@jmartinez318 I don't know what you mean when you say: " incompatability of Latin American origins with other cultures". But much of the difference between people of Latin American ascendancy and other people in the US are actually caused by a gap of education. A middle class Latin American is not significantly different in terms of culture to a southern European.

[jmartinez318]

@GustavoCLa I will disagree on the culture part of your argument. Southern Europeans, from my observation, share the Catholic trait, but do not share family, independence nor national identification (particularly in Italy and regions like Alsace in France). Southern Europeans prefer more independence in comparison to Latin Americans. The exception, arguably is the Rio de Plata Region in South America, but a lot of Europeans moved there after WWII, explaining the difference.

[77musica]

I am Nicaraguan and I will start to mug these fucking americanitos next time I see them in my country...watch out now whities...

[GustavoCLa]

@77musica Funny, because your profile sais "country: US=United States".

[77musica]

@GustavoCLa I live in both countries but my home in NIC

[TheAtheistworld]

go baby go!!!!! straight to heaven baby!!

[willronin]

Gringos pendejos - why is it that this fraking idiots can't seem to respect nature or anything that deserves respecting? just for a thrill seeking moment. I would chase them out of Nicaragua with a machete...

[TheRawFoodMommy]

Very smart! Doing this when it is so obvious the plates of the earth is shifting and all the volcanoes are coming to life.

[modernhumble]

WHY IS IT ALWAYS WHITES HAVING ALL THE FUN YEAH BECAUSE THEY ARE 20 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION YET CONTROL 70 PERCENT OF GLOBAL WEALTH.DEVILS LET NICARAGUANS EXPERIENCE THEIR OWN LANDMARK

[Herimia]

@modernhumble Whites came from Europe which is where alot of modern technology and power(political, military, economic etc etc) originated. Happy? Don't you thing you could have answered that for yourself?

[geebus80]

@modernhumble thats just racist

[yourtreat2]

@modernhumble You're just pissed that your White boyfriend didn't give you head.

[heomak]

@modernhumble there's less in-fighting within the white "community"(if i can say that)...there's no competition between different clans or tribes...e.g. western europe owns America(the white american govt) a lot because the american govt then poured in millions of dollars into western european countries(who were much poorer) to prevent them from succumbing to communism....the millions the americans pumped in really helped western europe kickstart it's economy back then

[heomak]

@modernhumble one way to unite non-whites is to send them to a country where whites are the majority...the discrimination you feel as a minority will in the long run help you unite with your fellow "______"(insert race of people, e.g. blacks, south asians, or east asians").

you will start seeing each other as belonging to the same race instead of only identifying each other through tribe, clan, or a particular region.

[shussey100]

White scums i hope the lava kills them.

[pliok0tsambur]

wooow, so much hate...well answer me this: who created it? not nicaraguans? in which country there are no hobbies reserved for the ones with more money???

oh and by the way i'm poor and white and cannot afford it....what are you going to say about that, all of you?

[youngbuck189]

Nothing like a bunch of white tourists stinking up your national landmarks. No man, it's ok dude they are like really open and cool young white people from rich countries. This type of tourism helps no one.

That said, looks very fun. How many Nicaraguans get to do this?

[willronin]

@youngbuck189 zero nicaraguans - since they got to Leon, everything is now expensive, the local have to go to the next town to purchase goods, there are more business that cater to the influx of tourist, but mostly this are local home owners that are looking to make a buck, it has not generated no real job fountain, also this tourist are loud and obnoxious, they think ordering a Cerveza makes them local... :(

[youngbuck189]

@willronin I thought it would be something like this. Enclave tourism, where the tourist is isolated from the reality of the region they are visiting, placed in an artificial enviorment which meets their often grand expectations. It's a damn shame. When I travel, I attempt to sleep in people's homes, like couch surfing, or at most in a hostel. You cant really say you have traveled until you experienced how average person lives in the destination.

[jcost2012]

It would be more fun while the volcano is erupting

[hardlymattersmuch]

Ash up the pant legs wth. Rubber band that shit closed already.

[Abbadon380]

recipe for disaster

[XxMzt4RVLCNRYxX]

am not gonna be sad when the volcano erupts and fuckin turns them into ashes...

[jrm21386]

It's going to be hilarious when the volcano erupts right under their asses.

[pauseTV]

Awesome, I would totally try it too.

[MrFordShelby]

i would try it, very cool ;)