Once I saw this movie, my level of respect for Robespierre rised so much!
I never thought he was this crazy, tyran man everybody thinks he is.
I see him as a fighter, a man who stick by his beliefs and unfortunetly, lost control of the situation.
This movie shows us the human side of Robespierre. He tried his best to protect Camille and Danton while everyone wanted to kill them. I think we missunderstood him.
Yes that's true, I'm just simply pointing out the irony of the political power struggle that went on during a revolution intended for freedom and representation of the people.
i know the purpose of this movie was to show Danton in a sympathetic light but really, it had the opposite effect on me. Robespierre astonished at having real bread while Danton throws parties in his house made a big effect on how i see both men... This scene is fantastic, as is the actor who plays Robespierre.
@jubah You're correct, I think, in pointing out the contrast in temperament and outlook between the two men, at least as portrayed in the film. Years before they had been very close friends and Robs. had written glowingly about Danton and had sworn eternal friendship to him.
If the scene in the film in which Robs. loses his temper and tells the presiding judge to get a conviction no "matter what" actually happened, M. Robespierre was guilty of inciting judicial murder, at the very least. .
@NewTet if it didn't happen like that (i don't think it did), certainly Rob. and the Comitee had enough influence that his accusations were enough to condemn someone. Again, it's not to say there was no corruption and only fair impartiality on those judgements - I just think it is necessary to view them from a cultural point of view instead of an anachronic one. Also, Danton's faction of burgoises killed just as many before and after the fall of the jacobins... there are no saints, only martyrs
REAL democracy at work, seems deTocquville learnt from this... Georges Danton (1759 – 5 Apr 94) first President of the Committee of Public Safety. Historians describe him as "the chief force in the overthrow of the monarchy and the establishment of the First French Republic". A moderating influence on the Jacobins, he was guillotined by the advocates of revolutionary terror after accusations of venality and leniency to the enemies of the Revolution.
Au naze qui à écrit "Robespierre est le premier communiste de l'Histoire", il faut savoir qu'il considérait la propriété privée comme sacrée. Il voulait simplement réduire la misère sociale en France par la vertu et la réduction au maximum des inégalités. Aucun monunements à Paris ne lui ai consacré, cruelle injustice...
Just wondering, who was the guy who spoke at the end?? And as far as Danton, he represented the people, whether he was corrupt or not. It was politically a very dangerous move of Robespierre to bring false accusations to kill Danton (no witnesses, only seven corrupt jurors, destroyed Danton's printing press, etc.). Robespierre's use of terror completely contradicted the point of the revolution, he himself turned into an oppressor, arguably worse than the nobility before him.
@xxCCBBxx You speak with a XXth century logic and that's the problem. Certainly the "terror" was a corrupt period, but compared to what preceded and followed it, it was the most sincere part of the revolution. While Danton and his was throwing parties, Robespierre and his were struggling to hold together an unpreceded equality status menaced both by internal and external forces. It's much too easy to judge now from the comfort of our history books which were the smart and the foolish decisions.
"We wish in our country that morality may be substituted for egotism, probity for false honour, principles for usages, duties for good manners, the empire of reason for the tyranny of fashion, ... the love of glory for the love of money, good people for good company, merit for intrigue, genius for wit, truth for tinsel show ... , the grandeur of man for the littleness of the great, a people magnanimous, powerful, happy, for a people amiable, frivolous and miserable." - Robespierre
@elo333333333 And every people sent to the guillotine had a trial. It is strictely and precisely notified, and that's why we can determinate that among 16 000 to 17 000 people were executed, and only a few were not guilty. Moreover, Robespierre was one of the first to try to abolish the death penalty, but the Convention did not followed him. But that explains why one of the pretense to execute him was his indulgence.
"He didn't want to kill" said Collot to explain why he rejected him.
@funram finally someone who steps away from the textbook populist bullshit and understands that Robespierre is not the villain but the victim of history.
@Euthyphro002 Thank you for the compliment ! I've studied the frenche revolution for years, and the fact is history is always written by the winner. Robespierre prefered to die than become a dictator (he easily could have the Convention arrested during the night between 9th and 10th Thermidor), I'm not sure everybody would make such a choice...
@elo333333333 When he was murdered by his ennemies without the trial even the traitor Danton recieved, the only fortune he had was enough money to get two or three pounds of bread. All the researches made by historians (and also monarchists, dantonists, thermidorian, etc.) show he had never been corrupted. Moreover, he obliged his hosts (the Duplays) to accept a rent for housing and feeding him.
This video is from an adaptation of a novel written in the late 70's by a polish dissident living in France. It is a diverted way to talk the events in Poland, with Solinarnosc and Jaruzelski. Both the novel and movie have no historical bases.
Robespierre wasn't a dictator : the minutes of the debates at the Convention show easily he was the most contested - but also the most respected - member of the comitee. Moreover, Danton was not only corrupted but a felon and a traitor.
@KarlMartell732 Babeuf was the first communist! The words that describe communism today did not exist in his time but he used the communist theory way before Marx called it Communism.
@KarlMartell732 You don't know a fucking thing. There is nothing that Robespierre advocated that has anything to do with communism. Robespierre is unfortunate. Unlike you right wingers he was very well educated. However this is proof that even people with the best intentions can be corrupted by power.
Labelling others is what YOU have in common with communists and with Robbespierre. This is what all totalitarianisms and fundamentalist religious movements have in common: He who disagrees is an enemy, he is EVIL !
I´m not a "right winger" just for rejecting radical "progressionism" or whatever. Even good intentions become dark when they are claimed as the absolute truth and must be enforced by any means. This is what Robbespierre did.
@Newenlightenmentnow You mean like you fucktards label Obama hitler? Like that? LIke you constantly asking for his birth certificate? By the way the word your looking for is totalitarian, not communist. Not all communist movements are totalitarian, and not all totalitarian movements are communist. Nazism, Musselini and Franco fascism all had NOTHING to do with communism but were of course totalitarian. Of course there were the Utopian socialists who were completely democratic. MORON!
Maybe the fact that Marxism is far too idealistic to ever work. And it fails to give any incentive for work. For example, ur a factory worker who works hard and ur always exhausted but u get paid equal to a pencil pusher. Why would u work hard if u can't get fired? And also the Marx theory that having the gorvernmemt withering away to form a true communist state is impossible.. Every communist country has lead to a corrupt 1984 society. And much much
It is the common error of Socialists to overlook the natural indolence of mankind; their tendency to be passive, to be the slaves of habit, to persist indefinitely in a course once chosen. Let them once attain any state of existence which they consider tolerable, and the danger to be apprehended is that they will thenceforth stagnate; will not exert themselves to improve, and by letting their faculties rust, will lose even the energy required to preserve them from deterioration.
Danton was nothing but a corrupt politician who panicked when he realised that the committee wasn't his bitch anymore. He got what was coming to him for being so smug, indulgent prick. And as for Robespierre being a dictator, ridiculous! He was part of the committee not the fucking president-for-life, everyone blames him but what was he guilty of? He never even got a trial when he was executed.
if those two choices were the only ones I would agree. Robespierre, though, cannot be fitted into a simple category. On the one hand he is worthy of admiration for having helped to lead a successful revolution; On the other he can be condemned, as he rightly was, for the excesses that led to the terror and for helping to kill fellow revolutionist. All of it, I believe, led to the reaction that hampered and killed the revolution and set the groundwork for Napoleon I's dictatorship.
I am French and for me, when I analyze what was our revolution, I conclude that there is a before and after 1793. From 1789 until 1792, it was a real step toward freedom after 1793 but madness, killings, hatred ... the guillotine ... they betrayed the revolution.
@Donthatanyone At the begining of the film the titles say "Printemps, 1794", I think. So, without knowing much history, one can assume the events depicted in this movie took place around March or April of that year.
@IiiERT Ah so you cast down the very founding father of modern France! Not only did Robespierre oppose war with Austria, he was also just enough to grant all men of any class the right to vote and in turn be called upon during a draft; that VERY SAME draft that saved France when Austria warred with France. I'm a devout Christian, do not agree with the Cult of the Supreme Being. The papacy was corrupt and needed a good purge.
I should mention that I am actually not a christian myself. I'm with Marx.
War with Austria? I do not care. Austria was a reactionary nest and should have been wiped out. (whether France was ready for it or not.) I do believe that it was in fact the Revolution that gave people the right to vote,
Robespierre was merely Stalin of France. So good riddance Robespierre, the Revolution does not depend on one man.
@IiiERT "War with Austria? I do not care." Now you're just being ignorant towards history. I'd expect nothing less from a Marxist. By initiating the Revolution's draft, Robespierre saved France. "I do believe that it was in fact the Revolution that gave people the right to vote" Read the Declaration of the Rights of Man...Robespierre helped make it. I see no way that Robespierre was a "Stalin" of France. Robespierre was "The Incorruptable" he rejected offers to assume the right as a 'dictator.'
@IiiERT Robespierre was NOT a dictator. If you read your history, you'll see that after he repelled the Austrians from France, he became a bit paranoid. He began turning in lists of people deemed as enemies of the Republic. Historians aren't sure if the men he exposed were or weren't enemies of the Revolution. He came to the Committee of Public Safety one afternoon with a list and refused to read it until the next meeting...people were afraid they were on the list and they had him arrested.
@IiiERT Paranoia? I thought a man of your Commuist stature would be all to familiar with paranoia. Danton was a threat to all that Robespierre worked for. You honestly have NO idea what you're talking about. Go crawl back into your hole and read your Communist Manifesto.
@IiiERT continued responce from above: Competition may not be the best conceivable stimulus, but it is at present a necessary one, and no one can foresee the time when it will not be indispensable to progress
Nazis were the tools of German capitalism and their mindset and atrocities were against the universal principles for which Robespierre helped overthrow King Louie and to establish a democratic republic
++ Ridiculous. The Nazis had been the greatest enemies of left-liberalism and capitalism. And they have been the children of the french levee en masse. A real democracy of acclamation. Read Rousseau!!!
The French Anthem says it all, and they have children sing that bloody disgusting song while smiling!! Mark my words one day blood will run like water in France again!!
If these are the men France glorifies, then there is a sick sleeping monster in that country and one day it will show it's ugly head and it will not be good!! To glorify psychopathic killers like this is simple unhealthy!! These freaks killed women and children!! God curse them all!!
@plutogirllovekj That monster has reared it's ugly head a few times in French history. However, Robespierre is not among the revolutionary heroes venerated in France today. He was arrested and executed in 1794 after making some not-so-veiled threats against the National Assembly.
@alexodicino Depends for whom. The American Revolution is really a consensual affair. But in France, it's heavily politicised.
Conservativesare kinda against the whole thing (though not necessarily the ideals). Liberals say "1789 - 1792 = cool ; 1792 - 1794 = BAD" ; the Left is generally very attached to Danton, sometimes Robespierre or Saint-Just, etc.
"When somebody writes a history of the Revolution, you learn more about the author than about the Revolution itself".
Because Hitler, the Nazis were the tools of German capitalism
++ Ridiculous. The Nazis had been anticapitalistic. This is one of the reasons cause the Nazis lost the war. In opposite to the Anglosaxons in germany nobody could make profite by war. The rendites had been written down. Only 6% were be allowed.
c'est un Robespierre, et un Saint-Just qu'il faudrait aujourd'hui pour mettre les aristos de la finance qui pille le pays à la raison. Vivement un Comité de salut public!!!
Im always astounded to read that triumphing over absolutism with universal principles and you are entitled to commit the worst crimes
All Dictators, and it seems that with no coincidence Robespierre served as an example to the Communist regimen by 1917 ALWAYS lean on biased and fake theories to win through
Although Rosbespierre claimed to strive for peoples good Historians show that in fact he was more than dissociated from their aspirations and concerns by 1793. No legitimacy whtasoever
French pupils learn that Robespierre was a bloody criminal, but our teachers might miss the big point confining this man to the sole atrocities he comitted.
Robespierre, this bloody Bastard, the shame of French History with some others like Petain in 1940 that murdered thousands of innocents around the country without any trial leaning on suspicion, rumours . He looted churches and synaguogues, killed priests and Rabbins on a wide scale and jailed some 500 000 people most of the time without reason to save the revolution. How the fuck can we regard this murderer respectfully ?
@mindlestep Up to now most revolutions have been bloody affairs.
There is no comparison between Robespierre and Petain. Petain was a puppet of the Nazis whereas Robespierre, for all his crimes, real and imagined, was a revolutionary and a patriot.
the Glorious revolution in England was not a blood bath .
Robespierre is responsible for some 16 000 people being guillotined in Paris
The Guillotine was working 6 hours a day without interruption
He carried out a Genocide in Vendée against the Royalist suspecting them to bring support to the foreign troops that were about to declare war on France.
term Revolutionary is misused , he is without contest the bloodiest murderer in French History. Lets be serious
@mindlestep Being "serious" would require that we take a more charitable view of history and its actors. Robespierre, however bad you think he may have been (and he was a bit of a bad boy), did not act alone. Many, many people played a role in all that took place, including the killing parts. To focus on one person as the sole author of the Terror is the easy way out.
I don't have any personal hatred against Rospierre. I'm just judging this man depending on what he did and not what he said he was personally held reponsible by Fouché, Tallien, Barrère and the Thermidorians for the Terror that devastated the country. He is responsible for Danton being guillotined.
Many people played a key role in the Nazi atrocities, but Historians stated that Hitler was the main to be found guilty . Why on earth should we not regard Robespierre the same way ?
@mindlestep You mentioned the "Glorious" revolution that executed a king and many others and placed Cromwell at the head of another dictatorship. English historian and biographer Thomas Carlyle said that in order to find the real Cromwell he had to dig him out from under a pile of dead dogs. That's how bad Cromwell was seen by later generations of Britons.
I took the Glorious revolution as an example cause seems to me that the English revolution didnt turn into the French blood bath in any manner. regarding France Im just underlining that a Man cannot be judged by his sole Speeches, Philosophy or Ideals but by the means he uses to carry out his plans. As for Robespierre, it was murder, slaughtering, Terror, Guillotin : BLOOD ! Consequently he is a mere murderer.
@mindlestep Because Hitler, the Nazis were the tools of German capitalism and their mindset and atrocities were against the universal principles for which Robespierre helped overthrow King Louie and to establish a democratic republic. In the French revolution, the concept of the universal rights of Man were still being worked out politically and socially albeit in a bloody fashion.
You cannot judge the actions of the 18th by the standards of the 20th & 21st Centuries. Not logical or fair.
@NewTet I agree when you say you cannot judge actions based on the standards of our own century. I think there are many distinct reasons for the Revolution turning as radical as it did, and he just happened to come out as its head.They were experiencing severe economic down turn, food shortages, external war, and internal reform. Robespierre sought to protect the Revolution. I think at the height of it, it was like a snowball effect. Robespierre lost his marbles, he got what was coming to him.
@xxblodlustxx I'm glad you share my opinion. It's too easy to apply our current morality to events so far in the past and fraught with so many complicated circumstances.
@NewTet Can you judge it by the standards of The American Revolution? Certainly, the September Massacres throw a 'political expediency' light on Robespierre's citation of the 'General Will.'
@NewTet Then we judge how in what standards? If you comited a atrocidie in ancient age you are hero in modern age you sociopat? WTF of double standantrs are that? NS werent tools of anyone they were what they were and French Revolutiona and Robespirerres have their share of atrocidies and blood that at the time was far worse than what NS and Hitler ever did he destroy French Ethos and French Social System the Revolution brough nothing good to France
@ImperialGuard9001 I posted this video for several reasons: I like the movie and I think it gives a fairly truthful account of a very important episode in history.
Hitler and the Nazis were gangsters (murderers, thiefs and degenerates) who availed themselves of political power in Germany for their own narrow purposes, whereas Danton, Robespierre and many others made a political and social revolution that helped bring and end to absolutism in Europe.
@NewTet The NS persecuted criminals so they werent neither gangsters and murderes corruption social downfalll depresion umemplyoment were all irradecaded in Germany if dont see it as a achievment then what hell is? And Danton and Robespierre didnt brough anny social or political revolution or end absolutism in Europe people were still hungry and poor in fact they were even more poor than before and for that milions of french people had to die both aristocratic churchmen and peasants!
The Terror was so out of control that star killing their own both Danton and Robespierre died in Terror era Danto was assassinated by woman that was herself a revolutionary and Robespierre was killed in same way he order others to die ironical I guess meanwhile after terror the power was again mainly oliguarguy with Burguese in power the people gain nothing no wonder the only instution they truested was the army and military autocrat (as always) could rise to power with Napoleon
Napoleon lead France to probaly First World War with all Europe suffering milions of europens died all areas of Spain and Portugal for example were wipe out milions of persons died all for sake of what? Another Empire? ANother form of Politics? Bah is same shit old regime new regime is same thing power control imperalism thats why we learn nothing from history humans are still humans
@ImperialGuard9001 The Nazis persecuted the Jews and any other ethnic group they saw as inferior. Were the Jews, etc., the "criminals" you are referring to ?
The Nazis were criminals; Nuremberg proved it in 1935 and 1945! Ha, ha!
Look in Wikipedia under "Nuremberg Laws" and "Nuremberg Trials".
@NewTet Nuremberg Trials were show trials no different from show trials you had Revolunory France just because the powers that condement at time are still in power now in fact they are the force behind the moder status quo the "system" doesnt make them valid in fact many of atrocidies comited by Germans were comited in bigger scale or exacly equal to Allied Atrocidies and of course the Allies were also hipocrat enough to not kill the "good nazis" that is nazis that were worth for them
War criminals or not thousands of ex nazis many of wich involved in atrocidies were integrated and spared by the Allies men like the architect of the god dam Holocaust Eichman! Or Klaus BArbie the butcher of Lyon! If you call that justice than i call you a fool! If wasnt for Ex Nazi Von Braun that was involved in war crimes US woulnt even arrivied to the Moon in fact all this modern high tech that US has was thanks to a great jump star with capture german tecnology and scientists
@NewTet And I was refering to actual ganster and organized criminals groups that were in abudance with Inter War Period in Germany and probaly all over Europe with Social Ecomical and Cultural decline the Fascist Italians for example were only Political Force that actualy persecuted the "Mafia" with brute force to point they lost all their power and status a reason why they coloborate with Allies!
what is funny about the french national anthem is if you go to the usa, they play it a lot and the americans think it is their song. in fact a survey was done, and 53% of americans thought that the french anthem was the american presidential song.
Robespierre no se creía perfecto; creía que su ideología era infalible.
Ademas, esta escena, vista en su contexto, es un supremo ejemplo de la demagogia y sofisma de Robespierre y la cobardía publica de algunos de sus opositores Dantoninos.
Pol Pot è stato il più grande rivoluzionario e statista comunista. Il conflitto tra Vietnam e Cambogia è stato alimentato dagli imperialisti statunitensi i veri criminali che hanno ucciso milioni di esseri umani non solo in Vietnam e Cambogia.
Once I saw this movie, my level of respect for Robespierre rised so much!
I never thought he was this crazy, tyran man everybody thinks he is.
I see him as a fighter, a man who stick by his beliefs and unfortunetly, lost control of the situation.
This movie shows us the human side of Robespierre. He tried his best to protect Camille and Danton while everyone wanted to kill them. I think we missunderstood him.
Danton was the one to blame all along.
Robespierre was not responsible.
SamanthaHarrison23 1 week ago
Yes that's true, I'm just simply pointing out the irony of the political power struggle that went on during a revolution intended for freedom and representation of the people.
xxCCBBxx 1 week ago
i know the purpose of this movie was to show Danton in a sympathetic light but really, it had the opposite effect on me. Robespierre astonished at having real bread while Danton throws parties in his house made a big effect on how i see both men... This scene is fantastic, as is the actor who plays Robespierre.
jubah 1 week ago 2
@jubah You're correct, I think, in pointing out the contrast in temperament and outlook between the two men, at least as portrayed in the film. Years before they had been very close friends and Robs. had written glowingly about Danton and had sworn eternal friendship to him.
If the scene in the film in which Robs. loses his temper and tells the presiding judge to get a conviction no "matter what" actually happened, M. Robespierre was guilty of inciting judicial murder, at the very least. .
NewTet 1 week ago
@NewTet if it didn't happen like that (i don't think it did), certainly Rob. and the Comitee had enough influence that his accusations were enough to condemn someone. Again, it's not to say there was no corruption and only fair impartiality on those judgements - I just think it is necessary to view them from a cultural point of view instead of an anachronic one. Also, Danton's faction of burgoises killed just as many before and after the fall of the jacobins... there are no saints, only martyrs
jubah 1 week ago
@jubah
You just stole the words from my mouth.
I truly respect Maximilien after watching this movie.
SamanthaHarrison23 1 week ago
@SamanthaHarrison23 He was a great man,he is doing wrong bij history.Greetings from Maastricht Netherlands.
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Your thoughts are right :)
Greetings from Portugal.
SamanthaHarrison23 17 hours ago
REAL democracy at work, seems deTocquville learnt from this... Georges Danton (1759 – 5 Apr 94) first President of the Committee of Public Safety. Historians describe him as "the chief force in the overthrow of the monarchy and the establishment of the First French Republic". A moderating influence on the Jacobins, he was guillotined by the advocates of revolutionary terror after accusations of venality and leniency to the enemies of the Revolution.
PADRAEG 1 month ago
This a wonderful film; I'm so glad it's available on dvd now.
TheSanityInspector 1 month ago
Au naze qui à écrit "Robespierre est le premier communiste de l'Histoire", il faut savoir qu'il considérait la propriété privée comme sacrée. Il voulait simplement réduire la misère sociale en France par la vertu et la réduction au maximum des inégalités. Aucun monunements à Paris ne lui ai consacré, cruelle injustice...
lysandre10 2 months ago 4
@lysandre10
une station de métro ça va
mindxestep 1 month ago
Just wondering, who was the guy who spoke at the end?? And as far as Danton, he represented the people, whether he was corrupt or not. It was politically a very dangerous move of Robespierre to bring false accusations to kill Danton (no witnesses, only seven corrupt jurors, destroyed Danton's printing press, etc.). Robespierre's use of terror completely contradicted the point of the revolution, he himself turned into an oppressor, arguably worse than the nobility before him.
xxCCBBxx 3 months ago
@xxCCBBxx You speak with a XXth century logic and that's the problem. Certainly the "terror" was a corrupt period, but compared to what preceded and followed it, it was the most sincere part of the revolution. While Danton and his was throwing parties, Robespierre and his were struggling to hold together an unpreceded equality status menaced both by internal and external forces. It's much too easy to judge now from the comfort of our history books which were the smart and the foolish decisions.
jubah 1 week ago
Robespierre- a man no different from many intelligent and opinionated people, who just got the chance to shine in history.
fistfulofknowledge 3 months ago
"We wish in our country that morality may be substituted for egotism, probity for false honour, principles for usages, duties for good manners, the empire of reason for the tyranny of fashion, ... the love of glory for the love of money, good people for good company, merit for intrigue, genius for wit, truth for tinsel show ... , the grandeur of man for the littleness of the great, a people magnanimous, powerful, happy, for a people amiable, frivolous and miserable." - Robespierre
bolshevikML 3 months ago
This Fierce Frog was a mass murdrerer and he got his le desserts!
BRUTUALTRUTH 4 months ago
All this political arguing and all that I feel the need to mention is "Robespierre got back into his seat FAST after he left the podium..."
MrGrinningManiac 4 months ago
@MrGrinningManiac
Ha, ha! Can you blame him after that bit of demagogy?
NewTet 4 months ago 2
@NewTet for some reason I found french arguing HILARIOUS :D though the french revolution of cource was sad :(
Angelstar962 1 week ago
Great video :)
JonPaulPrime 4 months ago
Lucky someone was there with their iphone to capture this important historical moment!
kickodude 4 months ago 3
@elo333333333 And every people sent to the guillotine had a trial. It is strictely and precisely notified, and that's why we can determinate that among 16 000 to 17 000 people were executed, and only a few were not guilty. Moreover, Robespierre was one of the first to try to abolish the death penalty, but the Convention did not followed him. But that explains why one of the pretense to execute him was his indulgence.
"He didn't want to kill" said Collot to explain why he rejected him.
funram 5 months ago
@funram finally someone who steps away from the textbook populist bullshit and understands that Robespierre is not the villain but the victim of history.
Euthyphro002 5 months ago
@Euthyphro002 Thank you for the compliment ! I've studied the frenche revolution for years, and the fact is history is always written by the winner. Robespierre prefered to die than become a dictator (he easily could have the Convention arrested during the night between 9th and 10th Thermidor), I'm not sure everybody would make such a choice...
funram 4 months ago
@elo333333333 When he was murdered by his ennemies without the trial even the traitor Danton recieved, the only fortune he had was enough money to get two or three pounds of bread. All the researches made by historians (and also monarchists, dantonists, thermidorian, etc.) show he had never been corrupted. Moreover, he obliged his hosts (the Duplays) to accept a rent for housing and feeding him.
funram 5 months ago
This video is from an adaptation of a novel written in the late 70's by a polish dissident living in France. It is a diverted way to talk the events in Poland, with Solinarnosc and Jaruzelski. Both the novel and movie have no historical bases.
Robespierre wasn't a dictator : the minutes of the debates at the Convention show easily he was the most contested - but also the most respected - member of the comitee. Moreover, Danton was not only corrupted but a felon and a traitor.
funram 5 months ago
The first communist in history.
KarlMartell732 6 months ago
@KarlMartell732
Bullshit.
NewTet 6 months ago 21
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@KarlMartell732 Babeuf was the first communist! The words that describe communism today did not exist in his time but he used the communist theory way before Marx called it Communism.
AntiDemocraticRed 6 months ago
@KarlMartell732 You don't know a fucking thing. There is nothing that Robespierre advocated that has anything to do with communism. Robespierre is unfortunate. Unlike you right wingers he was very well educated. However this is proof that even people with the best intentions can be corrupted by power.
Newenlightenmentnow 4 months ago
@Newenlightenmentnow
Labelling others is what YOU have in common with communists and with Robbespierre. This is what all totalitarianisms and fundamentalist religious movements have in common: He who disagrees is an enemy, he is EVIL !
I´m not a "right winger" just for rejecting radical "progressionism" or whatever. Even good intentions become dark when they are claimed as the absolute truth and must be enforced by any means. This is what Robbespierre did.
KarlMartell732 4 months ago
@Newenlightenmentnow You mean like you fucktards label Obama hitler? Like that? LIke you constantly asking for his birth certificate? By the way the word your looking for is totalitarian, not communist. Not all communist movements are totalitarian, and not all totalitarian movements are communist. Nazism, Musselini and Franco fascism all had NOTHING to do with communism but were of course totalitarian. Of course there were the Utopian socialists who were completely democratic. MORON!
Newenlightenmentnow 4 months ago
Grande Robespierre, revolucionário e exemplo para as futuras gerações.
Armando1735 9 months ago 2
@IiiERT that's a loaded question lol. Umm
Maybe the fact that Marxism is far too idealistic to ever work. And it fails to give any incentive for work. For example, ur a factory worker who works hard and ur always exhausted but u get paid equal to a pencil pusher. Why would u work hard if u can't get fired? And also the Marx theory that having the gorvernmemt withering away to form a true communist state is impossible.. Every communist country has lead to a corrupt 1984 society. And much much
xxCCBBxx 11 months ago
yes
vashonwashington 1 year ago
I may have missed this earlier in the discussion but what movie is this from??
ConsulHibernia 1 year ago
here is why
It is the common error of Socialists to overlook the natural indolence of mankind; their tendency to be passive, to be the slaves of habit, to persist indefinitely in a course once chosen. Let them once attain any state of existence which they consider tolerable, and the danger to be apprehended is that they will thenceforth stagnate; will not exert themselves to improve, and by letting their faculties rust, will lose even the energy required to preserve them from deterioration.
vashonwashington 1 year ago
Danton was nothing but a corrupt politician who panicked when he realised that the committee wasn't his bitch anymore. He got what was coming to him for being so smug, indulgent prick. And as for Robespierre being a dictator, ridiculous! He was part of the committee not the fucking president-for-life, everyone blames him but what was he guilty of? He never even got a trial when he was executed.
Euthyphro002 1 year ago 26
@Euthyphro002
Robespierre was a motherfucker.
Blahblobify 6 months ago
fagit
MVPacMan23 6 months ago
@Euthyphro002 I prefer a corrupt politician over a virtuous murderer.
MARGARELON 5 months ago
@MARGARELON
if those two choices were the only ones I would agree. Robespierre, though, cannot be fitted into a simple category. On the one hand he is worthy of admiration for having helped to lead a successful revolution; On the other he can be condemned, as he rightly was, for the excesses that led to the terror and for helping to kill fellow revolutionist. All of it, I believe, led to the reaction that hampered and killed the revolution and set the groundwork for Napoleon I's dictatorship.
NewTet 5 months ago
@Euthyphro002 Very well said. I must say that I completely agree
MissShyguy 4 months ago
Does anyone have a copy of this speech (either film version or actual)? French and English would be excellent. Thanks!
TheRealRayJ 1 year ago
I am French and for me, when I analyze what was our revolution, I conclude that there is a before and after 1793. From 1789 until 1792, it was a real step toward freedom after 1793 but madness, killings, hatred ... the guillotine ... they betrayed the revolution.
Yann022 1 year ago
When was this speech made?
Donthatanyone 1 year ago
@Donthatanyone At the begining of the film the titles say "Printemps, 1794", I think. So, without knowing much history, one can assume the events depicted in this movie took place around March or April of that year.
NewTet 1 year ago
@NewTet Thanks :)
Donthatanyone 1 year ago
La Terreur à son apogée.
lebeaupeter 1 year ago
Fuck you Robespierre, you've gone too far!!
How is Danton a Counter-Revolutionary? He simply opposes terror!
And what is the Cult of the Supreme Being, some replacement for christianity, that was already abolished?!
Ridiculous! Down with the committees and down with Robespierre!
IiiERT 1 year ago
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ShawnC15 1 year ago
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@IiiERT Ah so you cast down the very founding father of modern France! Not only did Robespierre oppose war with Austria, he was also just enough to grant all men of any class the right to vote and in turn be called upon during a draft; that VERY SAME draft that saved France when Austria warred with France. I'm a devout Christian, do not agree with the Cult of the Supreme Being. The papacy was corrupt and needed a good purge.
ShawnC15 1 year ago 2
I should mention that I am actually not a christian myself. I'm with Marx.
War with Austria? I do not care. Austria was a reactionary nest and should have been wiped out. (whether France was ready for it or not.) I do believe that it was in fact the Revolution that gave people the right to vote,
Robespierre was merely Stalin of France. So good riddance Robespierre, the Revolution does not depend on one man.
IiiERT 1 year ago
@IiiERT "War with Austria? I do not care." Now you're just being ignorant towards history. I'd expect nothing less from a Marxist. By initiating the Revolution's draft, Robespierre saved France. "I do believe that it was in fact the Revolution that gave people the right to vote" Read the Declaration of the Rights of Man...Robespierre helped make it. I see no way that Robespierre was a "Stalin" of France. Robespierre was "The Incorruptable" he rejected offers to assume the right as a 'dictator.'
ShawnC15 1 year ago
I don't get it, you talk pro-war, I talk pro-war, so why are we talking about war?
"..he rejected offers to assume the right as a 'dictator.'"
But that's exactly what he was, that's why he was ousted!
IiiERT 1 year ago
@IiiERT Robespierre was NOT a dictator. If you read your history, you'll see that after he repelled the Austrians from France, he became a bit paranoid. He began turning in lists of people deemed as enemies of the Republic. Historians aren't sure if the men he exposed were or weren't enemies of the Revolution. He came to the Committee of Public Safety one afternoon with a list and refused to read it until the next meeting...people were afraid they were on the list and they had him arrested.
ShawnC15 1 year ago
Well Danton was definitely not an counter-revolutionary.
Paranoia, lists, who's next? No-one can be sure of their own safety, and so on. The only way to end it is to
end the man with the lists. If Robespierre had the power to make such lists and pass death sentences,
define state policy, if he wasn't a dictator he was the next best thing.
IiiERT 1 year ago
@IiiERT Paranoia? I thought a man of your Commuist stature would be all to familiar with paranoia. Danton was a threat to all that Robespierre worked for. You honestly have NO idea what you're talking about. Go crawl back into your hole and read your Communist Manifesto.
ShawnC15 1 year ago
What exactly is about Marxism that you find so unappealing?
IiiERT 1 year ago
@IiiERT continued responce from above: Competition may not be the best conceivable stimulus, but it is at present a necessary one, and no one can foresee the time when it will not be indispensable to progress
vashonwashington 1 year ago
You're talking about stagnation in a planned economy?
IiiERT 1 year ago
Nazis were the tools of German capitalism and their mindset and atrocities were against the universal principles for which Robespierre helped overthrow King Louie and to establish a democratic republic
++ Ridiculous. The Nazis had been the greatest enemies of left-liberalism and capitalism. And they have been the children of the french levee en masse. A real democracy of acclamation. Read Rousseau!!!
Freigeist2008 1 year ago
The French Anthem says it all, and they have children sing that bloody disgusting song while smiling!! Mark my words one day blood will run like water in France again!!
plutogirllovekj 1 year ago
If these are the men France glorifies, then there is a sick sleeping monster in that country and one day it will show it's ugly head and it will not be good!! To glorify psychopathic killers like this is simple unhealthy!! These freaks killed women and children!! God curse them all!!
plutogirllovekj 1 year ago
@plutogirllovekj That monster has reared it's ugly head a few times in French history. However, Robespierre is not among the revolutionary heroes venerated in France today. He was arrested and executed in 1794 after making some not-so-veiled threats against the National Assembly.
alexodicino 1 year ago
@alexodicino Depends for whom. The American Revolution is really a consensual affair. But in France, it's heavily politicised.
Conservativesare kinda against the whole thing (though not necessarily the ideals). Liberals say "1789 - 1792 = cool ; 1792 - 1794 = BAD" ; the Left is generally very attached to Danton, sometimes Robespierre or Saint-Just, etc.
"When somebody writes a history of the Revolution, you learn more about the author than about the Revolution itself".
Angarwaen 10 months ago
Psychopath!!! I hope there is a hell, and you're burning in it!! Oh why couldn't a person be guillotined more than once????
plutogirllovekj 1 year ago
And so begun the comunism.
slonamu 1 year ago
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Because Hitler, the Nazis were the tools of German capitalism
++ Ridiculous. The Nazis had been anticapitalistic. This is one of the reasons cause the Nazis lost the war. In opposite to the Anglosaxons in germany nobody could make profite by war. The rendites had been written down. Only 6% were be allowed.
Freigeist2008 1 year ago
Is this speech typed up anywhere?
conorovs12 1 year ago
@conorovs12
Probably exists as minutes or transcript taken down during the convention's proceedings.
NewTet 1 year ago
@conorovs12 I think this is composed of several snippets of his speeches
Nebel64 1 year ago
@conorovs12 You might want to try the Modern History Sourcebook. It's an online database with lots documents from the French Revolution.
alexodicino 1 year ago
This man does not look like the ever stunning and sexy, Robespierre. Just saying.
MadMeg912 1 year ago
c'est un Robespierre, et un Saint-Just qu'il faudrait aujourd'hui pour mettre les aristos de la finance qui pille le pays à la raison. Vivement un Comité de salut public!!!
sergio39046 1 year ago
I believe that he started revolution with all his good wills to help France,
however, holding the power could turned him into dictator.
But without him, we wouldn't have revolution that got off the old stupid things because the revolution was born first at Paris by HIM.
Evolutionaryera 1 year ago
which speech is this? 1794?
ilovehelena59 1 year ago
Im always astounded to read that triumphing over absolutism with universal principles and you are entitled to commit the worst crimes
All Dictators, and it seems that with no coincidence Robespierre served as an example to the Communist regimen by 1917 ALWAYS lean on biased and fake theories to win through
Although Rosbespierre claimed to strive for peoples good Historians show that in fact he was more than dissociated from their aspirations and concerns by 1793. No legitimacy whtasoever
mindlestep 1 year ago
@mindlestep You're entitled to your opinion, however ahistorical.
NewTet 1 year ago 7
French pupils learn that Robespierre was a bloody criminal, but our teachers might miss the big point confining this man to the sole atrocities he comitted.
Thanks for restoring the truth !
mindlestep 1 year ago
Robespierre, this bloody Bastard, the shame of French History with some others like Petain in 1940 that murdered thousands of innocents around the country without any trial leaning on suspicion, rumours . He looted churches and synaguogues, killed priests and Rabbins on a wide scale and jailed some 500 000 people most of the time without reason to save the revolution. How the fuck can we regard this murderer respectfully ?
mindlestep 1 year ago
@mindlestep Up to now most revolutions have been bloody affairs.
There is no comparison between Robespierre and Petain. Petain was a puppet of the Nazis whereas Robespierre, for all his crimes, real and imagined, was a revolutionary and a patriot.
Why take umbrage with history?
NewTet 1 year ago
the Glorious revolution in England was not a blood bath .
Robespierre is responsible for some 16 000 people being guillotined in Paris
The Guillotine was working 6 hours a day without interruption
He carried out a Genocide in Vendée against the Royalist suspecting them to bring support to the foreign troops that were about to declare war on France.
term Revolutionary is misused , he is without contest the bloodiest murderer in French History. Lets be serious
mindlestep 1 year ago
@mindlestep Being "serious" would require that we take a more charitable view of history and its actors. Robespierre, however bad you think he may have been (and he was a bit of a bad boy), did not act alone. Many, many people played a role in all that took place, including the killing parts. To focus on one person as the sole author of the Terror is the easy way out.
NewTet 1 year ago
I don't have any personal hatred against Rospierre. I'm just judging this man depending on what he did and not what he said he was personally held reponsible by Fouché, Tallien, Barrère and the Thermidorians for the Terror that devastated the country. He is responsible for Danton being guillotined.
Many people played a key role in the Nazi atrocities, but Historians stated that Hitler was the main to be found guilty . Why on earth should we not regard Robespierre the same way ?
mindlestep 1 year ago
@mindlestep You mentioned the "Glorious" revolution that executed a king and many others and placed Cromwell at the head of another dictatorship. English historian and biographer Thomas Carlyle said that in order to find the real Cromwell he had to dig him out from under a pile of dead dogs. That's how bad Cromwell was seen by later generations of Britons.
Likewise with some people regarding Robespierre.
NewTet 1 year ago
I took the Glorious revolution as an example cause seems to me that the English revolution didnt turn into the French blood bath in any manner. regarding France Im just underlining that a Man cannot be judged by his sole Speeches, Philosophy or Ideals but by the means he uses to carry out his plans. As for Robespierre, it was murder, slaughtering, Terror, Guillotin : BLOOD ! Consequently he is a mere murderer.
mindlestep 1 year ago
@newtet cromwell died 1658
Glorious Revolution = 1688
history fail
Maurizio689 1 year ago
@mindlestep Because Hitler, the Nazis were the tools of German capitalism and their mindset and atrocities were against the universal principles for which Robespierre helped overthrow King Louie and to establish a democratic republic. In the French revolution, the concept of the universal rights of Man were still being worked out politically and socially albeit in a bloody fashion.
You cannot judge the actions of the 18th by the standards of the 20th & 21st Centuries. Not logical or fair.
NewTet 1 year ago 2
@NewTet I agree when you say you cannot judge actions based on the standards of our own century. I think there are many distinct reasons for the Revolution turning as radical as it did, and he just happened to come out as its head.They were experiencing severe economic down turn, food shortages, external war, and internal reform. Robespierre sought to protect the Revolution. I think at the height of it, it was like a snowball effect. Robespierre lost his marbles, he got what was coming to him.
xxblodlustxx 1 year ago
@xxblodlustxx I'm glad you share my opinion. It's too easy to apply our current morality to events so far in the past and fraught with so many complicated circumstances.
NewTet 1 year ago
@NewTet Can you judge it by the standards of The American Revolution? Certainly, the September Massacres throw a 'political expediency' light on Robespierre's citation of the 'General Will.'
Nebel64 1 year ago
@NewTet Then we judge how in what standards? If you comited a atrocidie in ancient age you are hero in modern age you sociopat? WTF of double standantrs are that? NS werent tools of anyone they were what they were and French Revolutiona and Robespirerres have their share of atrocidies and blood that at the time was far worse than what NS and Hitler ever did he destroy French Ethos and French Social System the Revolution brough nothing good to France
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@ImperialGuard9001 I posted this video for several reasons: I like the movie and I think it gives a fairly truthful account of a very important episode in history.
Hitler and the Nazis were gangsters (murderers, thiefs and degenerates) who availed themselves of political power in Germany for their own narrow purposes, whereas Danton, Robespierre and many others made a political and social revolution that helped bring and end to absolutism in Europe.
NewTet 1 year ago
@NewTet The NS persecuted criminals so they werent neither gangsters and murderes corruption social downfalll depresion umemplyoment were all irradecaded in Germany if dont see it as a achievment then what hell is? And Danton and Robespierre didnt brough anny social or political revolution or end absolutism in Europe people were still hungry and poor in fact they were even more poor than before and for that milions of french people had to die both aristocratic churchmen and peasants!
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
The Terror was so out of control that star killing their own both Danton and Robespierre died in Terror era Danto was assassinated by woman that was herself a revolutionary and Robespierre was killed in same way he order others to die ironical I guess meanwhile after terror the power was again mainly oliguarguy with Burguese in power the people gain nothing no wonder the only instution they truested was the army and military autocrat (as always) could rise to power with Napoleon
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
Napoleon lead France to probaly First World War with all Europe suffering milions of europens died all areas of Spain and Portugal for example were wipe out milions of persons died all for sake of what? Another Empire? ANother form of Politics? Bah is same shit old regime new regime is same thing power control imperalism thats why we learn nothing from history humans are still humans
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@I meant here Danton was killed in revoluonary fervor and executed versa guilotine Marat was one assassined by another revolunary not Danton
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@ImperialGuard9001 The Nazis persecuted the Jews and any other ethnic group they saw as inferior. Were the Jews, etc., the "criminals" you are referring to ?
The Nazis were criminals; Nuremberg proved it in 1935 and 1945! Ha, ha!
Look in Wikipedia under "Nuremberg Laws" and "Nuremberg Trials".
NewTet 1 year ago
@NewTet Nuremberg Trials were show trials no different from show trials you had Revolunory France just because the powers that condement at time are still in power now in fact they are the force behind the moder status quo the "system" doesnt make them valid in fact many of atrocidies comited by Germans were comited in bigger scale or exacly equal to Allied Atrocidies and of course the Allies were also hipocrat enough to not kill the "good nazis" that is nazis that were worth for them
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
War criminals or not thousands of ex nazis many of wich involved in atrocidies were integrated and spared by the Allies men like the architect of the god dam Holocaust Eichman! Or Klaus BArbie the butcher of Lyon! If you call that justice than i call you a fool! If wasnt for Ex Nazi Von Braun that was involved in war crimes US woulnt even arrivied to the Moon in fact all this modern high tech that US has was thanks to a great jump star with capture german tecnology and scientists
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@NewTet And I was refering to actual ganster and organized criminals groups that were in abudance with Inter War Period in Germany and probaly all over Europe with Social Ecomical and Cultural decline the Fascist Italians for example were only Political Force that actualy persecuted the "Mafia" with brute force to point they lost all their power and status a reason why they coloborate with Allies!
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
what is funny about the french national anthem is if you go to the usa, they play it a lot and the americans think it is their song. in fact a survey was done, and 53% of americans thought that the french anthem was the american presidential song.
ultradumbass 1 year ago
Thanks!
grummeper 1 year ago
what the hell was the last bit
chatterjt 2 years ago
La rivoluzione francese è stata una inutile strage.
Poetaviatore 2 years ago
Inutile proprio per niente.
Evidentemente ti sfugge il contesto.
Le astrazioni sono Sempre senza senso.
AgainstAllVacuity 1 year ago
Long live the French Revolution!
Down with monarchies everywhere!
AndrewMann552 2 years ago 3
@AndrewMann552 Yeah it was the beggining for the good laws! However, in this times make a revolution is considerating terrorism!
Carlitonguis 1 year ago
@Carlitonguis Making a revoluton has ALWAYS been considered by the ruling class of its day to be an act of terrorism.
NewTet 1 year ago
Son passati tre mesi e Robespierre ha messo il collo sotto la stessa lama riservata a Danton. E´la fine di tutti quelli che si credono perfetti.
1nizza 2 years ago 2
@1nizza :
Un supremo ejemplo de una ironía histórica.
Robespierre no se creía perfecto; creía que su ideología era infalible.
Ademas, esta escena, vista en su contexto, es un supremo ejemplo de la demagogia y sofisma de Robespierre y la cobardía publica de algunos de sus opositores Dantoninos.
NewTet 2 years ago
w robespierre sempre . robespierre era virtuoso e io lo apprezzo molto come me danton era buono ma viziato
franzisca90 2 years ago
completamente d'accordo.
AgainstAllVacuity 1 year ago
VIVE LE ROI !!!!!
LeMousqueteerBleu 2 years ago
W ROBESPIERRE! W POL POT!
Mauri8 2 years ago
Pol Pot era un criminale finanziato e armato dalla CIA. I Comunisti Vietnamiti hanno fatto bene a farlo sparire.
Tauredon 2 years ago
Pol Pot è stato il più grande rivoluzionario e statista comunista. Il conflitto tra Vietnam e Cambogia è stato alimentato dagli imperialisti statunitensi i veri criminali che hanno ucciso milioni di esseri umani non solo in Vietnam e Cambogia.
Mauri8 2 years ago
I like how they show how short he is; by his feet xD the way he has to tiptoe to talk.
Anutsko 2 years ago
Do you happen to have a movie title so I can see if I can find more?
darkangelkalas 2 years ago
This extract comes from the french-polish movie "Danton" by Andrzej Wajda, starring Depardieu as Danton.
The whole movie is available on Youtube, in french with english subtitles.
Wolfstrauss 2 years ago