Bach - Magnificat - Omnes generationes - number symbolism

[waeman]

Bach is the engineer of Music !

[21Gnardawg]

I never noticed that... O.O

[AxelMa06]

La video est pourri ils chante comme une casserole

[bangalore117]

@AxelMa06

hahahaha t'es rigolo

[Shikadyarioto]

Anyone good at maths can craft these relationships and get whatever number he choises; inversely, he can pick a determinate number and build relationships as instances of composition.

[Shikadyarioto]

The relationship between several things and a number cannot be used in order to postulate a system (as if there were a coherence behind operating as a structure) because is the assumption of that same coherence wich leads the process of serching instances. What we're facing here are the consecuences of a classic petitio principii.

[qxXFidoXxp]

@Shikadyarioto Your spelling really pissed me off... Lol.

[Shikadyarioto]

Im sorry, but i think there's one "omnes genetiones" missing at 0:58, box 23, bass line, so the parallel doesn't exist. This is pure numerology, we cannot be sure if Bach was aware of every single case of these coincidences or if they're mostly fortunate and exciting parallelisms. I love Bach, but i desagree with these "exultation beyond any limits" of his evident both matemathical and logical skills.

[thepweencess]

how can that be christs lineage when he was born of Mary (supposing Joseph did not take part) ?

[smt0514]

Coolest thing ever!

[mmenchu]

WOW

[mattbeattie99]

OMNES, OMNES, OMNES!!!!

[UcronicUtopic]

41 is J+S+B+A+C+H (10+17

2+1+3+8, without J and K). Bach made his musical signature in this pseudo-fugue! He often did this ...

[TheSacredFox]

@UcronicUtopic In the context of the Bach magnificat that this is a part of, as well as considering the very words being used in the song itself, the number symbolism is most likely representing the generations as shown. And I'm almost positive JSBACH is actually 43. I might be wrong though.

[thegoddescomposer]

@TheSacredFox yes but Bach used the Latin Alphabet I=J and U=V so his name j.s.bach turn out of 41 and BACH = 14 like in his last contrapunctus 14 on te second motif it has 41 notes,

[TheSacredFox]

@thegoddescomposer Well then, you learn something new everyday lol. Thanks

[jschubart1]

@thegoddescomposer You merely postulate that Bach was using the Roman alphabet because that's the only way you can force the letters in "J.S.BACH" to add up to 41.

But Bach and his contemporaries routinely used the letters I and V. When Bach abbreviates the prayer "Jesu, juva" in his manuscripts (as did many artists since the Middle Ages) , he writes "J.J.", not "I.I." How do you explain THAT?

J. S. BACH = 43.

[thegoddescomposer]

BACH=14 14=41=14

B=2A=1C=3H=8=14

U guys see what bach was doing here :O!

[ksj818]

@thegoddescomposer.... and the number of fugues and canons in "The art of fugue" is......;-) I just love that number thing...

[thegoddescomposer]

@ksj818 the last fugue of contrapunctus of bach the 2th motif has 41 notes = j.s.bach when the 2th motif comes on his last turn back it miss one NOTE i cont it on score, it still have 41 notes and there ends the last fugue of BACH

[YevgeniyAlexey]

@thegoddescomposer

j.s.bach = 43, if I am not wrong.

[thegoddescomposer]

@YevgeniyAlexey bach used the latin alphabet so it comes out 41 i=j is the same like u=v they used be the same. so it have 24 letters

[jschubart1]

@thegoddescomposer What evidence is there that Bach deliberately used the old Roman alphabet?

Bach and his contemporaries routinely used the letters I and V.

When Bach abbreviates the old prayer "Jesu, juva" in his manuscripts (as did many artists since the Middle Ages) , he writes "J.J.", not "I.I." How do you explain THAT?

[DuxCorvan]

This is usual for Bach. In the Great Passion, there's a recitative where Jesus reveals he's to be given by one of his apostles, and then there's a nice choir where the startled innocent apostles ask "Lord, is it me?" exactly 11 times, and immediately after, Judas -the 12th apostle- asks "Is it me, Lord?", and Jesus answers "You said it".

[lucacallegaro]

Incredible. Many thanks for posting.

[zephyrswan]

I don't get it, what is the symbolism? What are you measuring in the first part and what are you counting by in the second? It doesn't seem to bear any resemblance to the music itself.

[jsbachbwv543]

Look at the circled numbers in the sheet music. It's the count of the entry of the main subject.

[Tulipso]

@zephyrswan: He is counting every time the theme is restated in one of the voices. It appears Bach repeated the theme exactly as many times as there are generations in Christ's ancestry.

[jschubart1]

@Tulipso How do you count the "generations in Christ's ancestry"? Do you start with Adam & Eve or with David?

Setting aside that thorny problem, the real difficulty with your theory is that the words of the Magnificat aka the "Song of Mary" are about Mary, not Christ. The words "all generations (shall call me blessed)" refer to the generations AFTER Mary, not the generations before Christ!

[feetje2008]

this is the best performance I ever heard.

[jjjjgabesz]

Wow! It's fantastic!

[alf9q]

come hai fatto a scoprirlo?

[TheMrDddreess112]

WOW!!!