"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September 11..."
- G Bush
Freedom of Speech and "Conspiracy Theory" are mutually exclusive terms. Meaning, one can not profess to believe in Freedom of Speech and ever label the search for the truth a Conspiracy, without proving themselves to be a liar and a fraud. Bush's speech was a Nazi directive for all Americans to abandon the search for the truth and their right to Freedom of Speech.
Going on for 20 years now. Government State Sanctioned Kidnappings. See Documentry ..................Deconstructing America.............Protect Your Parental Rights Now!
Going on for 20 years now. Government State Sanctioned Kidnappings. See Documentry ..................Deconstructing America.............Protect Your Parental Rights Now!
It is striking that the “conspiracy theorists” believe 9/11 was created in order to subvert freedoms and to control the world but the conspirators are so incompetent they cannot shut down those who have discovered the conspiracy and are telling the world about it. If I were interested in global domination triggered by a covert act like 9/11, I would silence those revealing my secret.
I would say we need to banish those who pull-off false flag attacks like 9/11, by enacting a FALSE FLAG PROHIBITION ACT, making it a high felony for any US official, employee, agent, operative or informant to plan, conspire, orchestrate, commit, counsel or conceal, any event or occurrence intended to generate fear over the general population as a pretext to generate conflict and/or loss of civil rights.
Take the tim to look up on you tube and google GULEN CHARTER SCHOOLS our government is behind this. Our tax dollars are supporting it. The Gulen Movement is a CULT. Join us in Austin TX to protest the GUlen charter school of political science. This school will be used to create sympathizers and future cult members. Look into it and join us Aug 30th 9am at the school. spread the word invite others
Blame the US Courts for blocking all release of 9/11 evidence under the guise of National Security, based on the perverted premise: "The Protection of the Institution is More Important Than Learning the Truth," as quoted by 9/11 commission member Janice Kephart.
By obstructing relevant 9/11 evidence, The US Courts are solely responsible for allowing 3000 souls' deaths/suffering + the deaths associated w/ the 2 horrible wars that followed 9/11, to go unpunished.
@terrorzona78 I'll take this one:"Can you prove the governments own THEORY" no one has to. They have 100s of pages to do that. It is you that has to do the proving. So, how many pages of work do you have to your answer.....not many huh.
How can someone argue against the laws of physics? That's the job of the debunkers. They must convince people that the laws of physics didn't apply to 911 or NIST. The debunkers won't ever admit that NIST should submit their reports and data for an international peer review unless they have something to hide. We also want to see all the data used for the computer simulated "progressive collapse". What assumptions were made that NIST won't talk about in their reports? We want that data.
,,you can't wake a soul who pretends to sleep, give it up moron, duh, take the time to listen to experts in the fields..Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth, Scholars for 9/11 truth, Pilots for 9/11 truth, Firefighters for 9/11 truth...you know, people who have trades and knowledge... I can't hold your hand on this, I'm a decade ahead of you in my research.
@wolfdaddy205 Again I ask, where is your evidence? All you have done is spread myth, where is you evidence? You said there is an abundance yet all you can do is talk about truthers, let's see the evidence. Try not to change the subject AGAIN. I will check back later to how you change the subject this time.
@wolfdaddy205 If you had done ACTUAL "research" and not what truthers try to brainwash you with, you would know that there isn't even the tiniest piece of evidence to support ANY of you accusations that government employees murdered their own friends and family on 9/11. You are a VERY immature little kid that knows nothing but what you're told by truthers. Grow up little boy.
Mass fall towards the path of least resistance, that wouldn't equal falling into it's footprint...times three! are you really this dense or someone who has profited from inside trading or weapons sales?
@wolfdaddy205 You obviously know nothing about physics! The buildings fell down because gravity pulls straight down silly child! There was no force to push the buildings to the side. Again I ask, where is all the evidence you say is so abundant? Dont send me another personal message avoiding the question again, supply the evidence to support your accusations, dont use another excuse, don't try to change the subject AGAIN, let's see your evidence! Stop trying to change the subject AGAIN.
@wolfdaddy205 Come on wolfboy! Where is all the evidence you say is so abundant? Why do you not supply any of it? Don't you want to let the world see all that evidence that government employees are guilty of the mass murder of their own friends, family and fellow Americans? You must have found abundant evidence to support your accusations, after all mass murder is a serious crime and a horrible thing, you wouldn't make accusations without absolute, positive evidence, would you? Let's see it!
@wolfdaddy205 There was no "nano thermite" anywhere near the WTC, in fact the only person to claim there was is a truther names Steven Jones, he didn't even collect his "samples", he says some people sent them to him! Hilarious! He can't even say where his "samples" were stored all these years, he can't supply even a chain of ownership! His "samples" are actually closer related to rusty primer than any type of "thermite". Again, where is your evidence to support your accusations of mass murder?
@wolfdaddy205 Why don't you supply actual evidence instead of truther myths? If you were being accused of mass murder wouldn't you want to see some actual evidence? You wouldn't actually accuse someone of murder without evidence, would you? You truthers do nothing but spread each others lies, when it comes time to support your accusations all you can come up with are stories, myths and flat out lies. You truthers dont even bother to see if your myths are even possible! Let's see your evidence.
@wolfdaddy205 building 7 had severe damage to an entire ground floor corner and a massive gash down one side of the building, not to mention the multiple fires that burned for hours. So don't try that building 7 garbage, there was nothing unusual about ANY of the buildings. Why dont you provide some actual evidence instead of simply repeating myths that did not take place. YOU have to supply the evidence, I can't do it for you, mainly because there was no "inside job". Still waiting!
@wolfdaddy205 I take it that since you couldn't find any evidence to support your accusations that you are finally admitting there was no "inside job". I am glad that you are finally admitting you were wrong, that's shows you are growing up and starting to think like an adult! Good for you! I am happy for you now that you realized there was no "inside job" and that you're not letting truthers brainwash you anymore! It takes a responsible person to admit you were wrong, you should be proud!
.hhmmmm molten steel? The plane hit the towers with a lot of force. Force is =to MxA. A mass of 200,000 lbs going 500 mph=100,000,000 lbs of force.What do you think happens when it hits the steel?Its going to get hot.
Slap your hands together as hard and fast as you can. Look at how much heat you made just in that little mass and speed. I need 2 steel beams so I can slap them together at 500mph to see what heat was made.
@OneVoiceMore No one is "advocating the murder of truthers", what should be done is truthers who tell flat put lies and aid terrorists should be put on trial, if nothing else they should be deported! You dirty terrorist protecting slime don't deserve to live in the U.S. You even lie about "molten steel" being found under the debris of the WTC! you lied and said NASA imaged temps associated with "molten steel" when in fact no such temps were ever present! Stop lying or shut up.
@youstupidmoron You advocated execution, liar. It cracks me up to listen to you circle around, squeal and bullshit, backtrack, and equate Americans with terrorists because they don't believe the government.
You're a pointless little fascist troll.
I quoted official sources, and you ignore it. You're just a shill, and I'm making you earn your paycheck.
@OneVoiceMore The name "youstupidmoron" does not say "I am a stupid moron". You cant even get that right! You poor ignorant truther! Its hysterical all the claims you fell for without even checking! You actually thought NASA imaged temps exceeding 2800 degrees! It never happened! You actually fell for reports of non existent "molten steel"! Every claim you have fallen for is complete myth! You cant support even one of your ridiculous claims!
@OneVoiceMore Face it, you have been caught! You're not even man enough to admit you were wrong! Heck, if you would have stated you made a simple error I would have accepted it, instead you're trying desperately to cover your tracks! That is the way of the truther! You have destroyed any credibility you may have earned, (which was minimal at best) instead you did exactly what ALL truthers are famous for, lying. It's over, go away with your tail between your legs! Pretend you "won" of it helps!
@youstupidmoron Are you still talking? People can read, and that includes dictionaries, official reports, and your posts.
2+2= you're a liar, spamming away the evidence that you're a paid shill, pretending to be a 'foundry owner'.
Extreme high heat and melting. You have no clue what a eutectic liquid does to steel. Or more likely you do. So you seem to think a completely inexplicable EXTREME HIGH HEAT melting of steel that FEMA couldn't explain means nothing.
@OneVoiceMore it's over! You have been exposed! You go on pretending you weren't caught numerous times! I don't care! I know you truthers not only have issues with understanding simple mechanics of buildings and every other issue related to 9/11, I also know that you have problems with maturity. Such issues make it difficult, if not impossible to admit when you're wrong! You also have problems NEEDING "the last word"! Understanding your issues I am willing to let you have the "last word"! Bye!
@youstupidmoron I supply EVIDENCE. I supply SOURCES. I supply TRUTH. And your response is....more drivel. You're shrill. Calm down.
I have no problem believing a professor of civil engineering who SPECIALIZES in terrorist bombings when he says, "MOLTEN STEEL", "MELTING GIRDERS", "YELLOW OR WHITE HOT STEEL".
You won't admit a thing, and when you're CORNERED in your lies, BUSTED as being full of shit, you attack ME, instead of refuting EXPERT witnesses.
@youstupidmoron I love you, man. I'm compiling this chat chronologically to show people how debumpkins work. In your vain and dishonest attempt to 'debunk' what I said, you actually prompted me to even more evidence, ON PUBLIC DISPLAY in the New York police museum, that the temperatures were indeed HIGHER than I thought.
You did catch me in one 'lie'. I UNDERESTIMATED the temperatures that NASA thermally imaged, even though BOTH temps mentioned were higher than the temps of the office fires.
Leslie Robertson, one of the structural engineers responsible for the design of the WTC, describes fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks. [SEAU News, 10/2001 pdf file]
I guess old Leslie doesn't know steel, and he's lying too, right?
@OneVoiceMore NO ONE saw "molten steel", no one! It is impossible because there were no temps anywhere close to 2800 degree anywhere near the WTC, if you claim someone claims to have seen it, then I absolutely question his intelligence! I have MANY years experience with molten steel and I know what it takes to attain and maintain "molten steel" and in the case of the WTC it is impossible! Thats why I asked you all those questions that you refused to answer! Goodbye, it's over.
@youstupidmoron DOZENS saw molten steel, and it's on public display, with MELTED CONCRETE. For all of your experience, YOU OF ALL PEOPLE should be demanding a new investigation. These people are highly credentialed EXPERTS, and you say you question ALL of their intelligence?
Let's just sum you up. You can't handle the truth. You're so deep in denial of the overwhelming evidence of MOLTEN STEEL
You should demand a new investigation to shut these LIARS up! They're the ones we paid to do it.
@youstupidmoron But hey, why ask ME questions? I'm just quoting the experts who were there, measured, recorded and reported what they saw. Why not question THEM? That's all I want, too. You're so obsessed with 'destroying' and 'exposing' so-called truthers that you're ignoring that we're just PEOPLE, who see experts say we were lied to and want a new investigation, that you're ignoring the EVIDENCE.
Molten steel. Sorry for your debumpkin sites. I've read them. They skip over Astaneh-Asl's words.
@Born2Flesh Wrong. There are no images anywhere of molten steel! There are no thermal images of 2800 degree heat, there aren't any thermal images of temps coming anywhere near hot enough to melt steel. There isn't a single photograph of "molten steel" anywhere near the WTC. it never happened. There are no photos of molten steel after it's cooled and hardened, there are no pics of anything even resembling molten steel. There is no evidence of temps even close to melt steel. It didn't happen.
@Born2Flesh I would love for you to supply a link to where you say these "thermal images" of "molten steel" can be found! Before you do, look to see if those temps are at or above 2800 degrees, that's the temp it takes to melt steel. Show me where you claim to have found pictures of "molten steel"? Heck, show me where I can see the clean up crew talking about how they were able to get all this "molten steel" broken up? Show me a pick of this cooled "molten steel"? You wont find even one.
@Born2Flesh See, you truthers never think, that's why truthers are still around! That's why truthers are usually people of very tiny intellects, they dont think things through, they don't consider facts, they assume the truther telling them things actually knows what he's talking about, they don't! They don't have a clue! How do you think this "molten steel" got molten, accumulated, stayed molten? What happened to it, why are there no pics, molten or hardened? It never happened. Sorry.
@happystar8081 Unfortunately the liars who make up all the crap about 9/11 being an "inside job" can say what they want, they are protected by the same government and people they are accusing of mass murder, truthers/liars can't be punished in the US, they're protected by the constitution. Truthers should be dealt with just as the terrorists they are trying to protect. Truthers are terrorists, they make up countless lies in a sick attempt to protect their terrorist buddies. Truthers=terrorists
@way2easy2love "paid government troll"? Why would the government bother to pay anyone to say what's already been proven beyond doubt? What are you, about twelve years old? Grow up little boy, anyone who falls for that "inside job" crap has got to be lacking any form of education. There isn't ANY reason to fall for any ridiculous "inside job, controlled demolition" crap. To even imagine such myths proves your tiny intellect. Grow up little boy.
@youstupidmoron There's only those who continue sucking dicks of government who lie to their own citizens, forging terrorist attacks is a reality, and those who continue trusting lie's from the same govt. who gives them nothing back for invading other poor countries but instead get richer themselves are the ones who are brainwashed by this "NEW WORLD ORDER" bullshit..... wake up & smell the coffee. I say anyone who supports liars (US & western govt. media) support terrorism. Don't be a sellout!
@youstupidmoron The only person whose brainwashed is you, govt ass kisser, whilst those controlling your country who benefit from you & will give you shit all in return.... continue paying into something for years & years just to get a shitty pension whilst they never will have a problem with wealth at your expense.
@TheTopper2010 Why is it you truthers make up all those idiotic accusations but never supply actual evidence to support your claims? I've asked a hundred of you truthers to supply evidence for even their smallest claims and the best they can do is point to a YouTube conspiracy video or conspiracy website, never actual proof! It's ridiculous. You poor delusional truthers, your gullibility and ignorance shines brightly. Truthers are idiots of gigantic proportions! Grow up little truther boy.
@youstupidmoron Do murderers like to investigate themselves?NO, do they 'ALLOW' an independent enquiry?NO. Its also amazing that nobody is allowed to question 9/11 as there is a big cover up, fuck sake over 3000 American people died so why not try their best to find the culprits?, so every time people want answers and even the victims families they get treated with disrespect. Its like the whole of America is in a trance every time their president opens his mouth about "THE WORLD IS IN DANGER"
@TheTopper2010 You keep displaying your ignorance of world events every time you make a comment! Its hysterical! You volunteer your ignorance! As for a member of my family being "brutally murdered", that's exactly why it makes me sick every time you ignorant, idiotic and gullIble truthers try to take the blame of 9/11 away from the actual terrorists who committed it! You have absolutely ZERO idea what your talking about. You are a childish, ignorant little boy. Grow up.
@TheTopper2010 There have been HUNDREDS of "independent inquiries" and NONE of them have EVER found even the slightest evidence to support ANY "inside job" myth. You have been completely brainwashed by your fellow disgusting truther freaks. I know you WANT and NEED to blame "the government" but there isn't the slightest reason to even imagine any of that idiotic "inside job" garbage. Run along now, you're late for your meeting with the flat earth society. Grow up.
@youstupidmoron You truly are a joke, & a sellout, there hasn't been any independent enquires cos they are unallowed u thicko, & even if they're called 'independent' they're actually not, thus your pimps mr Bush, Powell, Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc should be done for war crimes but they can pay their way out of it at the moment. Oh yeah, that wrinkley old shithead Larry Silverstein is dying of old age anyway. Your a prostitute & they're your pimps, go sit in front of Fox news & enjoy imaturity!!
@TheTopper2010 Again you prove your absolute ignorance. Instead of falling and spreading lies why don't you provide evidence to support your ignorant claims? Oh, that's right, you can't because your ignorant truther lies are physically impossible and did not happen. Grow up little boy, you are clueless. You go ahead and let yourself be fooled by claims that are physically impossible and have no support, I, like the vast majority of the world knows what happened. Grow up little boy.
@TheTopper2010 My family has never been treated with disrespect, we asked thousands of questions and were given answers to anything we wanted to know. The killers were caught, they are dead. Why don't you truthers ever provide any evidence to support your hysterical accusations? All you do is spread myth and fall for lies. You nut jobs can't even see how impossible the claims you make are! Truthers have the lowest intellect of anyone on the planet. They're just plain old stupid.
@wolfdaddy205 Yes, that's why none of you crazy nut case truthers can prove ANY of your myths. Let's see your evidence, you are accusing government employees of the mass murder of their own friends and family, let's see the evidence you use to support your crazy accusations! Not some idiotic truther myths but actual evidence, where is it?
Talk is cheap, and it's all that some lazy souls know how to do. Ever hear of "nano-thermite" I guess you believe they sold it out of a kiosk in the lobby of buildings WTC 1, WTC 2 and Building 7...?, Science, my friend, doesn't lie and lies only have a limited shelf life. I would suggest that you do your homework. I can't hold your hand, I already did mine. Peace.
@youstupidmoron Tell me? r u one of those who roles over every time the government tell u to? or r u one of those who always believes that America is actually in danger & we must attack a poor nation to increase our security? Do u question & try to find out the truth yourself?
If a family member of yours got brutally murdered, would you want the court to convict the wrong person/s while the actual murderer gets on with his life in enjoyment? Your under a trance, start asking questions matey!!
@TheTopper2010 Dont you dare tell me what "the victims families" want! You do NOT speak for me or any other person who lost family that day! We despise you ignorant vermin! You truthers make us SICK! we know who is responsible, not because "the government tells us", but because ALL the evidence and ALL the facts have already established the guilty parties. I know who's responsible because of the FACTS, not a bunch of ignorant truther lies. Don't you EVER tell me what to think. Grow up!
@youstupidmoron I know two familes who have lost members that day, & they are disgusted that people like you are still defending lies & being cowardly. They are so upset that no thorough investigation was allowed from investigators totally unassociated with the govt. of America. The killers have not been caught yet, hope they can bring all those to justice who planned this attack to make millions. Stay asleep matey, contact me when you've woken up from your trance.
@TheTopper2010 I have met with more than 1000 families, out of all of them the ONLY ones who fall for idiotic truther lies are distant cousins or inlaws who want money! Out of the 1000s there are very few who have actually been fooled by you disgusting, sickening idiots who haven't a clue what youre talking about. You just stay over there and keep your head buried in the sand, let yourself be brainwashed! When it comes to who killed mine and other family members, mind your own bussiness.
@way2easy2love Youstupidmoron the troll isn't payed, he's been entrapped or extorted thus forcing him to troll 9/11 YouTube videos. He's not doing it on his own free will. He's just a pawn.
@OneVoiceMore As I said, I caught you in NUMEROUS lies, not once did I lie, not once did I milead, not once did I talk about the wrong building. No one saw "molten steel", if you actually check somewhere other than truther videos and truther websites you will learn that at best the only thing ANYONE said they saw was molten metal, as in aluminum. The entire building was sheared in aluminum. It would be impossible to find any "molten steel", no such temps could EVER be attained. Sorry! You failed
@youstupidmoron Back-to-back with the witness list, including a professor of civil engineering who -specializes- in terrorism events, you post ... drivel. Now you're a broken record, trying to spam away the evidence. Your lies:
-Debris from 1 contributed to the collapse of 7.
-No molten steel was found or witnessed.
If you'd check around OTHER than debumpkin scripts, you'd have a CLUE what you're talking about.
I quote NIST. I quote FEMA. I quote witnesses. I cite NASA.
@youstupidmoron Let's focus on one witness, Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, professor of civil and environmental engineering at the University of California, Berkeley. He specializes in studying structural damage done by earthquakes and terrorist bombings. Google him.
Yes or no, did HE witness and record "MOLTEN STEEL" and evidence of the necessary temps?
Yes or no?
Do you dispute his credentials? Do you deny what he says?
We paid for him to investigate the STEEL. Is he lying, too?
@youstupidmoron He arrives in New York on September 19 to conduct a two-week scientific reconnaissance of the collapsed towers, hoping to gain an understanding of how they had come down. His project is one of eight financed by the National Science Foundation to study the WTC disaster. [New York Times, 10/2/2001; Berkeleyan, 10/3/2001; US Congress. House. Committee on Science, 3/6/2002] He examines numerous pieces of steel taken from Ground Zero. [Chronicle of Higher Education, 12/7/2001]
@youstupidmoron He later recalls, “I saw melting of girders in [the] World Trade Center.” [PBS, 5/10/2007]
Steel has bent at many connection points joining the floors of the WTC to the vertical columns,describing them as being smoothly warped. He says, “That could only happen if you get steel yellow hot or white hot—perhaps around 2,000 degrees.” [Chronicle of Higher Education, 12/7/2001 ]He says that steel flanges have been reduced “from an inch thick to paper thin.” [Berkeleyan, 10/3/2001]
@OneVoiceMore It's so easy to destroy truther myths, look at all the things you had absolutely wrong! The NASA imaging claim, the NIST quote about chemical erosion that you thought meant melted steel, you even thought it was uncommon for heat to be found under a building fire days or weeks later! You keep pretending you didn't get all your claims wrong, I know you truthers NEED and WANT to believe all your impossible myths. I did not lie even once, I know it's hard for you to admit your mistakes
@OneVoiceMore I shouldn't be surprised that you tried to mislead people into thinking chemical erosion is the same thing as "molten steel"! Such antics are the norm for truthers, I can't believe you actually thought I would fall for it! You have got a lot to learn! Think about the numerous things you learned! From the fact NASA didn't "image molten steel", to the fact that NIST was talking about chemical erosion, not "molten steel"! After all the things you were wrong about, you still lie! Sad!
@youstupidmoron Think I'll take a little trip to the New York police museum, too. Seems they have on display for the public a bit of concrete from WTC 6 melted around a former gun display. I'm HELLA glad you argued with me, because that one, I didn't know about. It prompted me to check the melting temperature of concrete. ;)
@OneVoiceMore When you tell such lies you are aiding terrorists, you are trying to protect them and draw attention away from the terrorists who absolutely did comment the murders on 9/11. Is this part of your terrorist plan? Was that part of your plan to begin with? You disgust me. You and all your buddies who belong to the "Internet investigators club". Until you learn to tell the truth you should go hide under the slimy rock you crawled out from.
@youstupidmoron Bill? Is that you Bill? Well, Mr. O'Reilly, time for your education:
The terrorists who did this are dead. How am I protecting them, exactly?
I'm pointing at the REAL terrorists, who DID protect them, at the senior administration level. And who continue to protect and foster this illusion of a 'War on Terror'.
You can walk around all afraid of some violent criminals whose total numbers globally are estimated at between 6000-8000 active terrorists.
@OneVoiceMore From NIST official report. "An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris-induced structural damage of a critical column" , golly gee! Sure looks like they're talking about "debris induced structural damage" to me! Its funny how you truthers pick and choose your quotes! Now that that's out of the way. Why dont you start answering my questions that you avoided over and over again and again. I will be waiting.
@youstupidmoron Read closer. The debris-induction they're talking about is SPECIFICALLY WTC 7's debris, not WTC 1's. You can cherry-pick and distort, which is natural on your first read-through of the report.
Quote-mining for the purpose of distortion is dishonest.
@OneVoiceMore "Quote-mining for the purpose of distortion is dishonest" Then why do you do it? They werent talking about sevens own debris! It's hysterical how you wacky truthers try to interpret things to go your own way! Thanks! That was hysterical! Now, tell me where you found the claim about NASA imaging such incredibly high temps at the WTC? Tell me what you claim maintained such temps and created your mythical "molten steel"? Stop avoiding and start supporting or simply shut up.
@OneVoiceMore Im not afraid, I simply dont want it to happen again! It only took 19 terrorists to pull off 9/11, to imagine what "6000-8000" could do is pretty troubling. You of course think the government did it, you want nothing more than to draw attention away from the terrorists and make up some absolutely ridiculous claims of government involvement. If you looked at the actual facts instead of your anti American puke, you would realize how idiotic your claims are!
@OneVoiceMore You are an idiot of gigantic proportions! So, you're trying to claim that the training schools were involved in the terrorist plot on 9/11? With your reasoning every hotel clerk, car rental clerk, heck, even the local grocery store that sold them their food must have been directly part of the plot! Tell me, specifically, what help would they have needed? What people do you claim were in on it? You cant answer because they didnt need any help from the govt, none what so ever.
@youstupidmoron What you fail to realize about organized criminal enterprises of ANY sort is the necessity of buffering. Unless, somehow, you're claiming Osama and these 19 guys all got together in a cave and just 'talked about it and did it'.
These guys are avoiding the most sophisticated surveillance/intelligence apparatus in history. It wasn't a whim. It was a military grade attack.
@OneVoiceMore Look how many of the myths you have been wrong about so far, you thought NASA imaged temps that are consistent with "molten steel", temps no less than 2800 degrees. You thought "super duper nano thermite" (excuse me while I laugh again) could make "rivers of molten steel", you couldnt even tell me how such rivers would be possible in a collapsing building with debris falling in all directions! Jeepers, how did all that "molten steel" accumulate and maintain a molten state?
@youstupidmoron You're a very subtle sort of liar sometimes, I'll give you that.
What NASA imaged was 880-degree temps through massive tonnage of debris, TWO MONTHS after the collapse.
What the direct eyewitnesses, including professional ironworkers, reported they saw was 'rivers of molten steel', and that they were 'flowing like lava'.
@OneVoiceMore You said NASA imaged "molten steel", 880 degrees wont create molten steel. I dont care if NASA imaged 880 degrees six months after 9/11, I have had deep pit barbecues burn for weeks after they were lit! Talk about "a subtle sort of liar", you take the cake! I'm still waiting for the evidence that supports your ridiculous claims of "molten steel", lets see it!
@youstupidmoron I'm still waiting for the page number and chapter of the NIST quote you made up out of whole cloth. Your 'quote' appears NOWHERE in NIST's Final Report on WTC 7.
"Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure."
Some words to focus on, slow-coach:
Evidence.
Severe high temperature corrosion.
Melting.
Readily visible.
"A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel."
@OneVoiceMore That has NOTHING to do with "MOLTEN STEEL" you silly little boy! It's talking about the surface of the steel, NOT "molten steel", are you truly that dense or are you actually trying to look like an idiot? Again, where is your evidence to support your silly claim of "molten steel"? How many times have I asked you so far? Now you're starting to throw a fit again! Hilarious! You still havent provided the NASA image that shows "Molten steel", YOU said "NASA imaged it", lets see it!
@youstupidmoron Dear fuckwit. FEMA was directly reporting their analysis of the steel's surface, the part that was readily visible. You really need to learn to read and critically think.
NASA's thermal images are public record. Stop being so lazy.
So, steel that has 'melted', and eutectic 'liquid' and 'severe high temperature attack on the steel' doesn't penetrate your fog of unresearched denial?
Not my problem.
FEMA couldn't explain it, calling it "a very unusual event."
@OneVoiceMore Heck, lets see where NASA imaged temps of 2800 degrees! As I said before, you should really check into the sources of the statement s you make your claims by. When you get your information from truther websites and truther youtube videos you can automatically assume they are lies because they are. I love when truther read a truther site, they will take quotes suggested by truthers who post them out of context, like you did when you quoted FEMA on the subject of surface corrosion
@youstupidmoron And there you go, off into the lalaland of straw-man arguments.
Put your money where your mouth is. Show me ANY other context FEMA's evidence can be taken in. You haven't read ANY of this shit. You're just running a debumpkin script of lie, deny, make up your own quotes, etc.
@OneVoiceMore When did I fabricate a quote? You're only evidence of "molten steel" is a quote from FEMA that says nothing about "molten steel". You are trying to take a quote out of context and claim the one part that says "intergranular melting" constitutes "molten steel", you claimed NASA imaged "molten steel" , then you come back after you realized they didnt and try to claim temps of 880 constitute "molten steel"! Hilarious! You have failed on EVERY level! You really need some help!
@youstupidmoron 880 degrees through millions of tons of debris. Two months later. This is EVIDENCE, thermally imaged by NASA, coupled with onsite underground direct eyewitnesses, including professional ironworkers and firemen and arson investigators.
@OneVoiceMore Again, 880 degrees does NOT constitute "molten steel", not even close! In case youre not aware of this, steel becomes "molten" at 2800 degrees, not 880. I dont care how much steel was stacked on top. Another problem with your claim of "molten steel" being "imaged by NASA" is the fact that it's impossible for steel to maintain a molten state without a source of heat at 2800 degrees. In fact, there was no 2800 degree source of heat anywhere near the WTC. How is a deep pit BBQ a myth?
@youstupidmoron You're exposed. You don't own a foundry, you have no idea what eutectic means.
A debate is not just saying 'nuh uh', and you have NO RESPONSE to being busted flat-out lying and making up a quote that DOES NOT EXIST, and DOES NOT SAY WHAT YOU CLAIM.
The BBQ pit myth is that the nurses would let you play with fire in the institution. ;)
Thanks for failing, youstupidmoron. Come get me with your roving death/deportation squads. Pack a lunch.
"Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel."
"The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified.""
Talking about official reports here, not just you saying, "Nuh uh!"
So which do you think I give more credence to? You, a provable liar and shill?
@OneVoiceMore It's crazy how you nut cases fall for all those ridiculous myths without even checking into the sources of such claims! You are typical of all truthers, you want to believe the govt was involved, your immaturity is plainly demonstrated by your refusal to look at REAL facts and REAL sources. You dont want to see such sources, in fact you avoid them at all costs. Every single claim you wacky truthers come up with has been destroyed countless times yet you still WANT to believe!
@OneVoiceMore eutectic has nothing to do with "molten steel", it would serve you well to look it up! As for me owning a foundry, I do, I bought it ten years ago when the previous owner was retiring and going to close it down. I worked there as a teenager, if it had, 15 to 20 people would have lost their jobs. Whether you believe or not, I don't care. My past work there and present ownership gives me the experience to know "molten steel" and that's it's presence at WTC is impossible.still waiting
@youstupidmoron I did look it up long ago, and it deals directly with temperature. Sorry if you don't understand the melting points of sulfur and iron, or the implications regarding the tested steel.
You're done on that point. You lack the scientific creds, and demonstrate it every time you speak.
Surface melting of steel, alone and of itself, debunks the official story of office fire temps. Period.
So, where's my chapter and page number on your NIST lie?
@OneVoiceMore I did not fabricate anything, since you find it easy to lie and mislead, as evident by your numerous lies, it does not mean that I would be dishonest. I have no reason to be dishonest, that is the truther way of doing things! I took my quote directly from "NIST Response to the World Trade Center Disaster". Look it up! Its on page three. Whats really funny is that you think your quote from NIST speaks of melting steel, when in fact it speaks of chemical erosion! You failed again
@OneVoiceMore If you had looked it up you would know the entire quote you posted was referring to chemical erosion, not "molten steel". This is the problem you truthers have, you have no idea what you're talking about, you make assumptions which always bite you in the ass, you trust the ridiculous claims you read on truther websites that are written by people with no more knowledge on the subject than yourself! You think because they agree in your idiotic "inside job" garbage that they cant lie!
@OneVoiceMore Well, that takes care of all your myths! It's been fun destroying another truther! If you ever decide to answer the questions you avoided and constantly changed the subject on, let me know! I will be happy to annihilate those as well! Do yourself a favor, if thats your son in the photo with you, dont let him ever look at your computer, it would probably make him lose all respect for you! Hopefully you dont fill his head with your lies! That would be a cruel trick to play on a kid!
You got caught red-handed manufacturing a fake quote, and now, as you should, you leave. You're a fraud and a troll, and we both know it.
The blatant nature of just making up a quote to suit you, and then taking off IS what I expect from shills, but most debunkers are ten times as honest as you'll ever be.
@OneVoiceMore The only reason you claim to be done is it's the easiest way for you to save face! (at least you think you're saving face) You know you failed repeatedly with your comments about "molten steel", your claim about NASA, your ignorance on the FEMA quote you tried to pass off as support for "molten steel", every claim you made! Not to mention all the other myths you failed to support! As I said, you truthers WANT to believe the "inside job" myth, you despise all forms of authority.
@youstupidmoron You're flat out busted wide open. The subject was WTC 7, you used the wrong report to make a fraudulent point, and you just flatly lie about what FEMA found.
It's obvious what happened here. I should have known it was just a stunt. I knew what WTC 7 report said. Not one bit of what you posted looked familiar, and YOU KNEW what the subject was, so this isdishonest.
Talk about myths.
I'm not worried about your roving death squads. You'd go to the wrong house and shoot the cat.
@OneVoiceMore I caught you in a flat out lie and now you are trying desperately to make me look bad! I didnt "run away", I went to bed! Chemicle EROSION is NOT the same as "molten steel"! Not even close! Where does it say extremely high temperatures means temps hot enough to create and maintain "molten steel"? It DOESN'T! it does not even imply that! I did not fabricate anything, the quite I posted was absolutely from NIST, I even gave you the title! I didn't even attempt to mislead, unlike you!
@youstupidmoron Molten steel witnesses: Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, professor of civil engineering at University of California at Berkeley, Professor Alison Geyh of the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, Mayor Rudy Giuliani, FDNY Captain Philip Ruvolo, Dr. Keith Eaton, chief executive of the London-based Institution of Structural Engineers, Peter Tully of Tully Construction, Mark Loizeaux of Controlled Demolition Inc. ALL of these witnesses saw and recorded "MOLTEN STEEL". Believe THEM, or you?
@OneVoiceMore I'm STILL waiting for you to support your claim that NASA imaged temps over 2800 degrees under all three WTC buildings? Now I see you're claiming that there is a so called "meteor" of hardened "molten steel"! You are so gullible that you fell for a truther lie, it is NOT a chunk of "hardened molten steel"! It's a hunk of concrete with rebar in it! There is another chunk that truthers tried to claim was "hardened molten steel", it is actually a piece of hardened aluminum!
@youstupidmoron We'll let you change the subject. The minute you acknowledge that you were in complete error as to what NIST said about the 'ten-story hole' causing WTC 7's collapse.
How about that, pumpkin?
Three direct quotes from their report, all of which are unequivocal in stating that falling debris from WTC 1 didn't cause the collapse, nor contribute to it.
Or am I still just quoting a truther site and lying?
"This (damage from WTC 1's debris) was near the west side of the south face of the building and was far removed from the buckled column that initiated the collapse."
"Other than initiating the fires in WTC 7, the damage from the debris of WTC 1 had LITTLE EFFECT on initiating the collapse of WTC 7."
"This was a fire-induced progressive collapse, also known as a disproportionate collapse."
Those are facts.
Feel free to ignore user 'youstupidmoron', a clueless fuckwit.
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The more and more i try to argue with people trying to explain our government's involvement in the 9/11 matters the more and more i realize how ignorant most americans trully are. So many people just sit in front of they're televisions and all they see mainstream news media versions of the events that occurr. Refusing to accepts any other sources of information. I hate to say this but if we want somethign done about this. Civil war is the ONLY answer.
@p13ty4real Really........civil war......thats a little lop sided. You plus a few thousand against who? The Government! People that doesn't think like you do! How many is that Billions I think.
If you don't like how it is now after your war how could it be better? People kill each other over food, water and power.......electric power that is.
@1REDDAWN13 First off id like to be clear that civil war is not that path i wish to see this country go down. I just simply made the statement that civil war is the only thing thats gonna get the rites back that we all deserve to have. People dont have to kill each other over sources of energy or food. They shouldnt have to anyway. The primary cause of the resource collapse is due to the fact that companies constantly make products that we consumers purchase that only last a few months.
@p13ty4real but unfortunately those teachings would only be applicable if we have the rite's that we are born with. So after we have re aquired the rite to live peacefully and happily, we could begin to implement them. I just want to see happiness restored to the world. Or if not "restored" then created. The world being under the oppression of banksters and tyrannical leaders is not gonna get us there.
Blaming the bankers is like blaming a drug dealer when you have a drug problem. If you lived inside your means you wouldn't owe so much. So, many go into debt over stupid crap.
@1REDDAWN13 You call houses stupid crap? You call getting a car so that someone can get back and forth from work stupid crap? A lot of people end up having to take out mortgages on they're homes just to pay medical and hospital bills. What about banks and credit card companies that jack interest rates up on people without giving them a reason? Live within our means? Who are you to decide our means?
@p13ty4real No, a house and car are not stupid crap. a 4x4 truck that doesn't go off road n, 3 big screen tvs, $1000 camping gear you use 2 times, a motorbike you don't use even if the weather is good, a jet ski you use 2 hours a year...that stupid crap. So you are telling me you just have the thing you need too live and too have some fun. Not one thing of crap that you didn't need and you put the electric bill on your credit card because of it.....don't lie.
@1REDDAWN13 I would almost agree with you on the specifics of your comment however i still disagree with your statistics. Buying those things are not why people are in debt. Not many people (and this is just an example) are gonna have, lets say a 2k monthly income and go out and intentionally rack up 3k dollars a month in debt. part of the major problem is yes that credit card companies do sneaky shit like jack up rates without telling you.
@p13ty4real All 3 of which have been systematically redesigned to rake in as much profit as possible for the money hungry elite of the world and the banksters who control everything that is going on. Healthcare, realestate and credit barrowing. All part of a plan to financially enslave the general population. Furthermore if we didnt buy all this junk...there'd be even less jobs available for people.
@p13ty4real "Furthermore if we didnt buy all this junk...there'd be even less jobs available for people. "....Now you see it for the truth. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. I have too counter the why people go into debit. The examples I gave are from people I know. The biggest reason people go into debt is consumerizim. If 6 is good 10 is better. The other they buy biggest house they think they can get. Most hear the words but dont understand what it is going to cost a mouth.
@1REDDAWN13 I'm saying I'm for the assholes. Just saying there is enough blame to go around. My bro was stressing I ask why. He had a job that when it ran its course he would not have a job. He was trying to find the number of savings that he would need for 6 mouths or more without a job. He could go without a job from weeks to over a year before he got another job. So he need some savings. Yes with the type of money he was making, this man eat peanut butter sandwhiches.
@1REDDAWN13 Second off this country busts its ass off to make our corporations and they're owners richer than hell. Were not gonna spend our off time sitting in a chair staring off into space hoping we can get to work as fast as possible the next day to make our employers even richer. Damn rite were gonna have some fun on our offtime. You seem to have a very poor understanding of how the world works. You seem to agree with the elite mindframe.
@p13ty4real Credit card are drugs. You think man its only 15 dollars a month and look what I get.....a little taste.......a little more.......for long your monthly is 400 dollars times 3. Dam rite you are in debit big time. When I was 24 I was finishing fighting a war so do not think for second you know me or everything. Also if you where the person who is getting all that money @24 you would say Dam rite show me the money....
Oh....not deciding what you can or can't buy.....that if you don't have the cash "YOU" have decide is it worth it to put it on credit. knowing its going to cost more in the long run......If you don't have cash for a rainy day lord forbid you do have an accident how do you pay for it.....credit....now your card is filling up.
@1REDDAWN13 furthermore if you have a good paying job and CAN afford those things on a monthly basis with extra cash leftover...then suddenly your plant shuts down or there's just suddenly no demand for w/e your doing and you lose your job? Im fairly sure that these 2 reasons are the primary cause of debt in our country. You have to be extremely dumb to intentionally let your debt exceed your monthly income.
@1REDDAWN13 Actually i take that back i want to again bring up the subject of healthcare costs in our country. Healthcare for the insured and uninsured is off the charts in cost. Insurance is off the charts in cost. If you have any one single thing happen to you that lands you in the emergency room or requies you to have surgery. you WILL pay on it for years of your life to come. Tens of thousands of dollars. So these 3 things are the primary causes of debt in our country.
@p13ty4real People only hear what they want. This house for 1,000 a mouth that a deal. Rule of thumb double you note is what its going to cost to own that house. Now you are at 2,000 of a 3,000 pay check a mouth. So now you take the other bills out of the 1,000. That no food, no gas,no going out; but look what I own....(3,000x 12=36,000 year take home)...Yes it sux how much it cost for a doctor and the like. Every seen what a doctor pays to go to scool..ever seen his insurance bill.
@1REDDAWN13 Companies can make products that last lifetimes but they wont do that because its not good for business. Business requires a constant consumer market so they make sure they're products only last so long so we have to one day again repurchase. Food shortages wouldnt occurr if America specifically would reduce its waste. There are teachings of inner peace and self enlightenment that would prevent major wars from breaking out. And would also help to equalize the status of the world.
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these fucks are smart,,, when therre is a uprising against the government, they trow a negro president in there so the media will say it is a racist thing.. and the ppl will turn on each other,, the design is well thought of ppl,,,
and people don't think the government was involved in 9/11 ? these whistleblowers should get a release from their secrecy contract so they can speak out and tell the truth but those who might be guilty of criminal actions are blocking that from happening..the corruption in the government is unimaginable so many work for their own agenda and not for the benefit of the country
Nine years after 9/11, and still nothing.... when are the American people gonna wake up, walk to the White House, Pentagon,, all local FBI, IRS, and Fed-Res buildings, burn down those places, and take back the country that their forefathers built to get away from the oppression of the private bankers and royal family?
The only thing the debunkers seem to be able to do is make hilarious jokes about all of this investigation. They make some very valid points about some aspects of the truth movement which we should definitely listen to, however, in the end the picture is clear enough. Some very evil people allowed this all to take place and they SHOULD be stopped. The TRUTH WILL WIN!
just 2 years ago, people said I was in the minority, something fishy going on here WAKE UP. I'm glad to say now I'm in the majority. just goes to prove people are smarter than I thought. but the question still remains, how and what, to solve this?
@SPAGHETTIMONSTER1 the trouble is though, the minority has so much invested in the lie that there is a very tough struggle ahead for the truth to reign.
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"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September 11..."
- G Bush
Freedom of Speech and "Conspiracy Theory" are mutually exclusive terms. Meaning, one can not profess to believe in Freedom of Speech and ever label the search for the truth a Conspiracy, without proving themselves to be a liar and a fraud. Bush's speech was a Nazi directive for all Americans to abandon the search for the truth and their right to Freedom of Speech.
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pearl6570 4 months ago
It is striking that the “conspiracy theorists” believe 9/11 was created in order to subvert freedoms and to control the world but the conspirators are so incompetent they cannot shut down those who have discovered the conspiracy and are telling the world about it. If I were interested in global domination triggered by a covert act like 9/11, I would silence those revealing my secret.
rivi8840 4 months ago
People are not supposed to find the prefabricated evidence until after the event!
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I would say we need to banish those who pull-off false flag attacks like 9/11, by enacting a FALSE FLAG PROHIBITION ACT, making it a high felony for any US official, employee, agent, operative or informant to plan, conspire, orchestrate, commit, counsel or conceal, any event or occurrence intended to generate fear over the general population as a pretext to generate conflict and/or loss of civil rights.
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GulenNewsFraud 6 months ago
Blame the US Courts for blocking all release of 9/11 evidence under the guise of National Security, based on the perverted premise: "The Protection of the Institution is More Important Than Learning the Truth," as quoted by 9/11 commission member Janice Kephart.
By obstructing relevant 9/11 evidence, The US Courts are solely responsible for allowing 3000 souls' deaths/suffering + the deaths associated w/ the 2 horrible wars that followed 9/11, to go unpunished.
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dpetrano 6 months ago
@dpetrano Mr. Petrano, what do you say to neocons who want illegal wars who call the so-called truther movement traitors and even Anti-Semitic?
NEPatriot 5 months ago
@terrorzona78 I'll take this one:"Can you prove the governments own THEORY" no one has to. They have 100s of pages to do that. It is you that has to do the proving. So, how many pages of work do you have to your answer.....not many huh.
1REDDAWN13 6 months ago
How can someone argue against the laws of physics? That's the job of the debunkers. They must convince people that the laws of physics didn't apply to 911 or NIST. The debunkers won't ever admit that NIST should submit their reports and data for an international peer review unless they have something to hide. We also want to see all the data used for the computer simulated "progressive collapse". What assumptions were made that NIST won't talk about in their reports? We want that data.
Daddyo930 6 months ago
"They should have to ansah..." He said "ansah". Silly person...
KingKook 7 months ago
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You don't have a clue! Read my profile and see what you're missing
FacesofNewWorldOrder 7 months ago
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,,you can't wake a soul who pretends to sleep, give it up moron, duh, take the time to listen to experts in the fields..Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth, Scholars for 9/11 truth, Pilots for 9/11 truth, Firefighters for 9/11 truth...you know, people who have trades and knowledge... I can't hold your hand on this, I'm a decade ahead of you in my research.
wolfdaddy205 8 months ago
@wolfdaddy205 Again I ask, where is your evidence? All you have done is spread myth, where is you evidence? You said there is an abundance yet all you can do is talk about truthers, let's see the evidence. Try not to change the subject AGAIN. I will check back later to how you change the subject this time.
youstupidmoron 8 months ago
@wolfdaddy205 If you had done ACTUAL "research" and not what truthers try to brainwash you with, you would know that there isn't even the tiniest piece of evidence to support ANY of you accusations that government employees murdered their own friends and family on 9/11. You are a VERY immature little kid that knows nothing but what you're told by truthers. Grow up little boy.
youstupidmoron 8 months ago
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wolfdaddy205 8 months ago
,,you do have eyes, right?
,,simple physics,
Mass fall towards the path of least resistance, that wouldn't equal falling into it's footprint...times three! are you really this dense or someone who has profited from inside trading or weapons sales?
wolfdaddy205 8 months ago
@wolfdaddy205 You obviously know nothing about physics! The buildings fell down because gravity pulls straight down silly child! There was no force to push the buildings to the side. Again I ask, where is all the evidence you say is so abundant? Dont send me another personal message avoiding the question again, supply the evidence to support your accusations, dont use another excuse, don't try to change the subject AGAIN, let's see your evidence! Stop trying to change the subject AGAIN.
youstupidmoron 8 months ago
@wolfdaddy205 Come on wolfboy! Where is all the evidence you say is so abundant? Why do you not supply any of it? Don't you want to let the world see all that evidence that government employees are guilty of the mass murder of their own friends, family and fellow Americans? You must have found abundant evidence to support your accusations, after all mass murder is a serious crime and a horrible thing, you wouldn't make accusations without absolute, positive evidence, would you? Let's see it!
youstupidmoron 8 months ago
,,simple physics disprove EVERY aspect of this amateurish con job, pro's know!
wolfdaddy205 8 months ago
@wolfdaddy205 There was no "nano thermite" anywhere near the WTC, in fact the only person to claim there was is a truther names Steven Jones, he didn't even collect his "samples", he says some people sent them to him! Hilarious! He can't even say where his "samples" were stored all these years, he can't supply even a chain of ownership! His "samples" are actually closer related to rusty primer than any type of "thermite". Again, where is your evidence to support your accusations of mass murder?
youstupidmoron 8 months ago
@wolfdaddy205 Why don't you supply actual evidence instead of truther myths? If you were being accused of mass murder wouldn't you want to see some actual evidence? You wouldn't actually accuse someone of murder without evidence, would you? You truthers do nothing but spread each others lies, when it comes time to support your accusations all you can come up with are stories, myths and flat out lies. You truthers dont even bother to see if your myths are even possible! Let's see your evidence.
youstupidmoron 8 months ago
@wolfdaddy205 building 7 had severe damage to an entire ground floor corner and a massive gash down one side of the building, not to mention the multiple fires that burned for hours. So don't try that building 7 garbage, there was nothing unusual about ANY of the buildings. Why dont you provide some actual evidence instead of simply repeating myths that did not take place. YOU have to supply the evidence, I can't do it for you, mainly because there was no "inside job". Still waiting!
youstupidmoron 8 months ago
@wolfdaddy205 I take it that since you couldn't find any evidence to support your accusations that you are finally admitting there was no "inside job". I am glad that you are finally admitting you were wrong, that's shows you are growing up and starting to think like an adult! Good for you! I am happy for you now that you realized there was no "inside job" and that you're not letting truthers brainwash you anymore! It takes a responsible person to admit you were wrong, you should be proud!
youstupidmoron 8 months ago
@youstupidmoron Smug much?
KingKook 7 months ago
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stillwater027 8 months ago
.hhmmmm molten steel? The plane hit the towers with a lot of force. Force is =to MxA. A mass of 200,000 lbs going 500 mph=100,000,000 lbs of force.What do you think happens when it hits the steel?Its going to get hot.
Slap your hands together as hard and fast as you can. Look at how much heat you made just in that little mass and speed. I need 2 steel beams so I can slap them together at 500mph to see what heat was made.
1REDDAWN13 10 months ago
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AMERICA IS CORRUPT FULL STOP. THE WHOLE GOVERNMENT AND NASA AND THE FBI !! ALWAYS WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE MOST CORRUPT COUNTRY IN THE WORLD !!
123quazzy 10 months ago
When people are so desperate that they advocate the murder of truthers, they expose themselves.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore No one is "advocating the murder of truthers", what should be done is truthers who tell flat put lies and aid terrorists should be put on trial, if nothing else they should be deported! You dirty terrorist protecting slime don't deserve to live in the U.S. You even lie about "molten steel" being found under the debris of the WTC! you lied and said NASA imaged temps associated with "molten steel" when in fact no such temps were ever present! Stop lying or shut up.
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron You advocated execution, liar. It cracks me up to listen to you circle around, squeal and bullshit, backtrack, and equate Americans with terrorists because they don't believe the government.
You're a pointless little fascist troll.
I quoted official sources, and you ignore it. You're just a shill, and I'm making you earn your paycheck.
Get busy, sister.
WTC7, fell from fire, right? Or was NIST lying?
Come SHUT me up, hardass. Pack a lunch.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron The only thing you've been honest about is in choosing a username.
I have no issue at all calling you 'youstupidmoron'.
Thanks for that.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore The name "youstupidmoron" does not say "I am a stupid moron". You cant even get that right! You poor ignorant truther! Its hysterical all the claims you fell for without even checking! You actually thought NASA imaged temps exceeding 2800 degrees! It never happened! You actually fell for reports of non existent "molten steel"! Every claim you have fallen for is complete myth! You cant support even one of your ridiculous claims!
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore Face it, you have been caught! You're not even man enough to admit you were wrong! Heck, if you would have stated you made a simple error I would have accepted it, instead you're trying desperately to cover your tracks! That is the way of the truther! You have destroyed any credibility you may have earned, (which was minimal at best) instead you did exactly what ALL truthers are famous for, lying. It's over, go away with your tail between your legs! Pretend you "won" of it helps!
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron Are you still talking? People can read, and that includes dictionaries, official reports, and your posts.
2+2= you're a liar, spamming away the evidence that you're a paid shill, pretending to be a 'foundry owner'.
Extreme high heat and melting. You have no clue what a eutectic liquid does to steel. Or more likely you do. So you seem to think a completely inexplicable EXTREME HIGH HEAT melting of steel that FEMA couldn't explain means nothing.
Flood some more.
You're lying.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore it's over! You have been exposed! You go on pretending you weren't caught numerous times! I don't care! I know you truthers not only have issues with understanding simple mechanics of buildings and every other issue related to 9/11, I also know that you have problems with maturity. Such issues make it difficult, if not impossible to admit when you're wrong! You also have problems NEEDING "the last word"! Understanding your issues I am willing to let you have the "last word"! Bye!
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron I supply EVIDENCE. I supply SOURCES. I supply TRUTH. And your response is....more drivel. You're shrill. Calm down.
I have no problem believing a professor of civil engineering who SPECIALIZES in terrorist bombings when he says, "MOLTEN STEEL", "MELTING GIRDERS", "YELLOW OR WHITE HOT STEEL".
You won't admit a thing, and when you're CORNERED in your lies, BUSTED as being full of shit, you attack ME, instead of refuting EXPERT witnesses.
That's a very typical debumpkin response.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron I love you, man. I'm compiling this chat chronologically to show people how debumpkins work. In your vain and dishonest attempt to 'debunk' what I said, you actually prompted me to even more evidence, ON PUBLIC DISPLAY in the New York police museum, that the temperatures were indeed HIGHER than I thought.
You did catch me in one 'lie'. I UNDERESTIMATED the temperatures that NASA thermally imaged, even though BOTH temps mentioned were higher than the temps of the office fires.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron
Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl makes you a liar.
NASA and the USGS makes you a liar.
FEMA makes you a liar.
Dr. Alison Geyh makes you a liar.
NIST makes you a liar.
Leslie Robertson, one of the structural engineers responsible for the design of the WTC, describes fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks. [SEAU News, 10/2001 pdf file]
I guess old Leslie doesn't know steel, and he's lying too, right?
Truth is the last word.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore NO ONE saw "molten steel", no one! It is impossible because there were no temps anywhere close to 2800 degree anywhere near the WTC, if you claim someone claims to have seen it, then I absolutely question his intelligence! I have MANY years experience with molten steel and I know what it takes to attain and maintain "molten steel" and in the case of the WTC it is impossible! Thats why I asked you all those questions that you refused to answer! Goodbye, it's over.
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron DOZENS saw molten steel, and it's on public display, with MELTED CONCRETE. For all of your experience, YOU OF ALL PEOPLE should be demanding a new investigation. These people are highly credentialed EXPERTS, and you say you question ALL of their intelligence?
Let's just sum you up. You can't handle the truth. You're so deep in denial of the overwhelming evidence of MOLTEN STEEL
You should demand a new investigation to shut these LIARS up! They're the ones we paid to do it.
MOLTEN
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron But hey, why ask ME questions? I'm just quoting the experts who were there, measured, recorded and reported what they saw. Why not question THEM? That's all I want, too. You're so obsessed with 'destroying' and 'exposing' so-called truthers that you're ignoring that we're just PEOPLE, who see experts say we were lied to and want a new investigation, that you're ignoring the EVIDENCE.
Molten steel. Sorry for your debumpkin sites. I've read them. They skip over Astaneh-Asl's words.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
It's already caught on tape.....and it's right here on youtube, you moron. There are even satellite thermal images. Do a search for "Thermate"
Born2Flesh 10 months ago
@Born2Flesh Wrong. There are no images anywhere of molten steel! There are no thermal images of 2800 degree heat, there aren't any thermal images of temps coming anywhere near hot enough to melt steel. There isn't a single photograph of "molten steel" anywhere near the WTC. it never happened. There are no photos of molten steel after it's cooled and hardened, there are no pics of anything even resembling molten steel. There is no evidence of temps even close to melt steel. It didn't happen.
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@Born2Flesh I would love for you to supply a link to where you say these "thermal images" of "molten steel" can be found! Before you do, look to see if those temps are at or above 2800 degrees, that's the temp it takes to melt steel. Show me where you claim to have found pictures of "molten steel"? Heck, show me where I can see the clean up crew talking about how they were able to get all this "molten steel" broken up? Show me a pick of this cooled "molten steel"? You wont find even one.
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@Born2Flesh See, you truthers never think, that's why truthers are still around! That's why truthers are usually people of very tiny intellects, they dont think things through, they don't consider facts, they assume the truther telling them things actually knows what he's talking about, they don't! They don't have a clue! How do you think this "molten steel" got molten, accumulated, stayed molten? What happened to it, why are there no pics, molten or hardened? It never happened. Sorry.
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron what about good old fasioned fxxking liers!
what the fxxk happens to them?
happystar8081 9 months ago
@happystar8081 Unfortunately the liars who make up all the crap about 9/11 being an "inside job" can say what they want, they are protected by the same government and people they are accusing of mass murder, truthers/liars can't be punished in the US, they're protected by the constitution. Truthers should be dealt with just as the terrorists they are trying to protect. Truthers are terrorists, they make up countless lies in a sick attempt to protect their terrorist buddies. Truthers=terrorists
youstupidmoron 9 months ago
@youstupidmoron your name fits you you gota be a paid govt troll
way2easy2love 9 months ago
@way2easy2love "paid government troll"? Why would the government bother to pay anyone to say what's already been proven beyond doubt? What are you, about twelve years old? Grow up little boy, anyone who falls for that "inside job" crap has got to be lacking any form of education. There isn't ANY reason to fall for any ridiculous "inside job, controlled demolition" crap. To even imagine such myths proves your tiny intellect. Grow up little boy.
youstupidmoron 9 months ago
@youstupidmoron There's only those who continue sucking dicks of government who lie to their own citizens, forging terrorist attacks is a reality, and those who continue trusting lie's from the same govt. who gives them nothing back for invading other poor countries but instead get richer themselves are the ones who are brainwashed by this "NEW WORLD ORDER" bullshit..... wake up & smell the coffee. I say anyone who supports liars (US & western govt. media) support terrorism. Don't be a sellout!
TheTopper2010 9 months ago
@TheTopper2010 By your comment I can tell that you're a very imature and ignorant little person. You are a brainwashed little truther sheep. Grow up.
youstupidmoron 9 months ago
@youstupidmoron The only person whose brainwashed is you, govt ass kisser, whilst those controlling your country who benefit from you & will give you shit all in return.... continue paying into something for years & years just to get a shitty pension whilst they never will have a problem with wealth at your expense.
TheTopper2010 9 months ago
@TheTopper2010 Why is it you truthers make up all those idiotic accusations but never supply actual evidence to support your claims? I've asked a hundred of you truthers to supply evidence for even their smallest claims and the best they can do is point to a YouTube conspiracy video or conspiracy website, never actual proof! It's ridiculous. You poor delusional truthers, your gullibility and ignorance shines brightly. Truthers are idiots of gigantic proportions! Grow up little truther boy.
youstupidmoron 9 months ago
@youstupidmoron Do murderers like to investigate themselves?NO, do they 'ALLOW' an independent enquiry?NO. Its also amazing that nobody is allowed to question 9/11 as there is a big cover up, fuck sake over 3000 American people died so why not try their best to find the culprits?, so every time people want answers and even the victims families they get treated with disrespect. Its like the whole of America is in a trance every time their president opens his mouth about "THE WORLD IS IN DANGER"
TheTopper2010 9 months ago
@TheTopper2010 You keep displaying your ignorance of world events every time you make a comment! Its hysterical! You volunteer your ignorance! As for a member of my family being "brutally murdered", that's exactly why it makes me sick every time you ignorant, idiotic and gullIble truthers try to take the blame of 9/11 away from the actual terrorists who committed it! You have absolutely ZERO idea what your talking about. You are a childish, ignorant little boy. Grow up.
youstupidmoron 9 months ago
@TheTopper2010 There have been HUNDREDS of "independent inquiries" and NONE of them have EVER found even the slightest evidence to support ANY "inside job" myth. You have been completely brainwashed by your fellow disgusting truther freaks. I know you WANT and NEED to blame "the government" but there isn't the slightest reason to even imagine any of that idiotic "inside job" garbage. Run along now, you're late for your meeting with the flat earth society. Grow up.
youstupidmoron 9 months ago
@youstupidmoron You truly are a joke, & a sellout, there hasn't been any independent enquires cos they are unallowed u thicko, & even if they're called 'independent' they're actually not, thus your pimps mr Bush, Powell, Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc should be done for war crimes but they can pay their way out of it at the moment. Oh yeah, that wrinkley old shithead Larry Silverstein is dying of old age anyway. Your a prostitute & they're your pimps, go sit in front of Fox news & enjoy imaturity!!
TheTopper2010 9 months ago
@TheTopper2010 Again you prove your absolute ignorance. Instead of falling and spreading lies why don't you provide evidence to support your ignorant claims? Oh, that's right, you can't because your ignorant truther lies are physically impossible and did not happen. Grow up little boy, you are clueless. You go ahead and let yourself be fooled by claims that are physically impossible and have no support, I, like the vast majority of the world knows what happened. Grow up little boy.
youstupidmoron 9 months ago
@TheTopper2010 My family has never been treated with disrespect, we asked thousands of questions and were given answers to anything we wanted to know. The killers were caught, they are dead. Why don't you truthers ever provide any evidence to support your hysterical accusations? All you do is spread myth and fall for lies. You nut jobs can't even see how impossible the claims you make are! Truthers have the lowest intellect of anyone on the planet. They're just plain old stupid.
youstupidmoron 9 months ago
@youstupidmoron ,,your name pretty much says what I'm thinking lol! duh, N SIDE JOB...Ever hear of physics?
wolfdaddy205 8 months ago
@wolfdaddy205 Yes, that's why none of you crazy nut case truthers can prove ANY of your myths. Let's see your evidence, you are accusing government employees of the mass murder of their own friends and family, let's see the evidence you use to support your crazy accusations! Not some idiotic truther myths but actual evidence, where is it?
youstupidmoron 8 months ago
@youstupidmoron ,,are you blind, seriously?
Talk is cheap, and it's all that some lazy souls know how to do. Ever hear of "nano-thermite" I guess you believe they sold it out of a kiosk in the lobby of buildings WTC 1, WTC 2 and Building 7...?, Science, my friend, doesn't lie and lies only have a limited shelf life. I would suggest that you do your homework. I can't hold your hand, I already did mine. Peace.
wolfdaddy205 8 months ago
@youstupidmoron Tell me? r u one of those who roles over every time the government tell u to? or r u one of those who always believes that America is actually in danger & we must attack a poor nation to increase our security? Do u question & try to find out the truth yourself?
If a family member of yours got brutally murdered, would you want the court to convict the wrong person/s while the actual murderer gets on with his life in enjoyment? Your under a trance, start asking questions matey!!
TheTopper2010 9 months ago
@TheTopper2010 Dont you dare tell me what "the victims families" want! You do NOT speak for me or any other person who lost family that day! We despise you ignorant vermin! You truthers make us SICK! we know who is responsible, not because "the government tells us", but because ALL the evidence and ALL the facts have already established the guilty parties. I know who's responsible because of the FACTS, not a bunch of ignorant truther lies. Don't you EVER tell me what to think. Grow up!
youstupidmoron 9 months ago
@youstupidmoron I know two familes who have lost members that day, & they are disgusted that people like you are still defending lies & being cowardly. They are so upset that no thorough investigation was allowed from investigators totally unassociated with the govt. of America. The killers have not been caught yet, hope they can bring all those to justice who planned this attack to make millions. Stay asleep matey, contact me when you've woken up from your trance.
TheTopper2010 9 months ago
@TheTopper2010 I have met with more than 1000 families, out of all of them the ONLY ones who fall for idiotic truther lies are distant cousins or inlaws who want money! Out of the 1000s there are very few who have actually been fooled by you disgusting, sickening idiots who haven't a clue what youre talking about. You just stay over there and keep your head buried in the sand, let yourself be brainwashed! When it comes to who killed mine and other family members, mind your own bussiness.
youstupidmoron 9 months ago
@way2easy2love Youstupidmoron the troll isn't payed, he's been entrapped or extorted thus forcing him to troll 9/11 YouTube videos. He's not doing it on his own free will. He's just a pawn.
OperationMockingbird 9 months ago
@happystar8081 you sound a bit like bush=) and thats never a good thing.
people shouldnt be scared to say how they feel if they think there govs taking the piss out of them.
and alaways remember the great usa gave these so called terrorists the weapons to
start crap in the first place. a few people having the power over many is not what i call moral, right,
or justice. the genral population are now starting to realise this and they have every right to speak out.
and speak up.
happystar8081 9 months ago
@youstupidmoron Yes, I've been caught in the act of exposing your tactics. You know what you're doing, and it's transparent.
You shuffle up some documents for the wrong buildings, and then crow like you cracked the case.
Fact: debris damage played no part in WTC7's collapse. I said it, you failed to refute it.
Fact: inexplicable chemical AND high heat melting occurred in the steel of 1 and 2.
Fact: those 19 guys didn't do this alone. H
HUNDREDS involved. Why are you protecting them?
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore As I said, I caught you in NUMEROUS lies, not once did I lie, not once did I milead, not once did I talk about the wrong building. No one saw "molten steel", if you actually check somewhere other than truther videos and truther websites you will learn that at best the only thing ANYONE said they saw was molten metal, as in aluminum. The entire building was sheared in aluminum. It would be impossible to find any "molten steel", no such temps could EVER be attained. Sorry! You failed
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron Back-to-back with the witness list, including a professor of civil engineering who -specializes- in terrorism events, you post ... drivel. Now you're a broken record, trying to spam away the evidence. Your lies:
-Debris from 1 contributed to the collapse of 7.
-No molten steel was found or witnessed.
If you'd check around OTHER than debumpkin scripts, you'd have a CLUE what you're talking about.
I quote NIST. I quote FEMA. I quote witnesses. I cite NASA.
You say 'Nuh uh!'
Fail.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron Let's focus on one witness, Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, professor of civil and environmental engineering at the University of California, Berkeley. He specializes in studying structural damage done by earthquakes and terrorist bombings. Google him.
Yes or no, did HE witness and record "MOLTEN STEEL" and evidence of the necessary temps?
Yes or no?
Do you dispute his credentials? Do you deny what he says?
We paid for him to investigate the STEEL. Is he lying, too?
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron He arrives in New York on September 19 to conduct a two-week scientific reconnaissance of the collapsed towers, hoping to gain an understanding of how they had come down. His project is one of eight financed by the National Science Foundation to study the WTC disaster. [New York Times, 10/2/2001; Berkeleyan, 10/3/2001; US Congress. House. Committee on Science, 3/6/2002] He examines numerous pieces of steel taken from Ground Zero. [Chronicle of Higher Education, 12/7/2001]
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron He later recalls, “I saw melting of girders in [the] World Trade Center.” [PBS, 5/10/2007]
Steel has bent at many connection points joining the floors of the WTC to the vertical columns,describing them as being smoothly warped. He says, “That could only happen if you get steel yellow hot or white hot—perhaps around 2,000 degrees.” [Chronicle of Higher Education, 12/7/2001 ]He says that steel flanges have been reduced “from an inch thick to paper thin.” [Berkeleyan, 10/3/2001]
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron I will admit to a mistake. It wasn't 880 degrees F recorded by NASA.
"The map, created by the U.S. Geological Survey, shows hot spots on the surface of the rubble that were above 700ºCelsius. (up to 1019C)"
That's 1292 degreesF to 1866 degreesF on the SURFACE. Two weeks after the collapse.
Thanks for reminding me to re-check my info.
See? You CAN be useful!
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore It's so easy to destroy truther myths, look at all the things you had absolutely wrong! The NASA imaging claim, the NIST quote about chemical erosion that you thought meant melted steel, you even thought it was uncommon for heat to be found under a building fire days or weeks later! You keep pretending you didn't get all your claims wrong, I know you truthers NEED and WANT to believe all your impossible myths. I did not lie even once, I know it's hard for you to admit your mistakes
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore I shouldn't be surprised that you tried to mislead people into thinking chemical erosion is the same thing as "molten steel"! Such antics are the norm for truthers, I can't believe you actually thought I would fall for it! You have got a lot to learn! Think about the numerous things you learned! From the fact NASA didn't "image molten steel", to the fact that NIST was talking about chemical erosion, not "molten steel"! After all the things you were wrong about, you still lie! Sad!
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron Think I'll take a little trip to the New York police museum, too. Seems they have on display for the public a bit of concrete from WTC 6 melted around a former gun display. I'm HELLA glad you argued with me, because that one, I didn't know about. It prompted me to check the melting temperature of concrete. ;)
I'll see what their official info is, too.
Thanks again!
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore When you tell such lies you are aiding terrorists, you are trying to protect them and draw attention away from the terrorists who absolutely did comment the murders on 9/11. Is this part of your terrorist plan? Was that part of your plan to begin with? You disgust me. You and all your buddies who belong to the "Internet investigators club". Until you learn to tell the truth you should go hide under the slimy rock you crawled out from.
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron Bill? Is that you Bill? Well, Mr. O'Reilly, time for your education:
The terrorists who did this are dead. How am I protecting them, exactly?
I'm pointing at the REAL terrorists, who DID protect them, at the senior administration level. And who continue to protect and foster this illusion of a 'War on Terror'.
You can walk around all afraid of some violent criminals whose total numbers globally are estimated at between 6000-8000 active terrorists.
Me? Not afraid.
Of THEM, anyway.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore From NIST official report. "An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris-induced structural damage of a critical column" , golly gee! Sure looks like they're talking about "debris induced structural damage" to me! Its funny how you truthers pick and choose your quotes! Now that that's out of the way. Why dont you start answering my questions that you avoided over and over again and again. I will be waiting.
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron Read closer. The debris-induction they're talking about is SPECIFICALLY WTC 7's debris, not WTC 1's. You can cherry-pick and distort, which is natural on your first read-through of the report.
Quote-mining for the purpose of distortion is dishonest.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore "Quote-mining for the purpose of distortion is dishonest" Then why do you do it? They werent talking about sevens own debris! It's hysterical how you wacky truthers try to interpret things to go your own way! Thanks! That was hysterical! Now, tell me where you found the claim about NASA imaging such incredibly high temps at the WTC? Tell me what you claim maintained such temps and created your mythical "molten steel"? Stop avoiding and start supporting or simply shut up.
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore Im not afraid, I simply dont want it to happen again! It only took 19 terrorists to pull off 9/11, to imagine what "6000-8000" could do is pretty troubling. You of course think the government did it, you want nothing more than to draw attention away from the terrorists and make up some absolutely ridiculous claims of government involvement. If you looked at the actual facts instead of your anti American puke, you would realize how idiotic your claims are!
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron "It only took 19 terrorists to pull off 9/11"
This is the equivalent of saying "Only the actors in a movie are needed to produce it." You're ridiculous.
I think 19 SAUDI ARABIANS were -probably- the direct operatives, but no one credible thinks it was just 19 guys.
That's one of the most ignorant and unsupportable claims I've ever heard, even from a debumpkin.
"ONLY the President runs the country."
"ONLY a NASCAR driver is needed for a race."
Stupid, youstupidmoron.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore You are an idiot of gigantic proportions! So, you're trying to claim that the training schools were involved in the terrorist plot on 9/11? With your reasoning every hotel clerk, car rental clerk, heck, even the local grocery store that sold them their food must have been directly part of the plot! Tell me, specifically, what help would they have needed? What people do you claim were in on it? You cant answer because they didnt need any help from the govt, none what so ever.
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron You tried to downplay the visas. You're a subtle sort of liar.
You say 'Three of them were here illegally!" and then crow like you accounted for the other 16. So, do some research.
Care to cite the numbers of the remaining 16 who had visas?
Care to cite how many of those visas were red-flagged, and still granted?
I'll be happy to, after you do your homework.
Care to name where they were issued?
By the way, I'm just going by what the PENTAGON said about support.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron What you fail to realize about organized criminal enterprises of ANY sort is the necessity of buffering. Unless, somehow, you're claiming Osama and these 19 guys all got together in a cave and just 'talked about it and did it'.
These guys are avoiding the most sophisticated surveillance/intelligence apparatus in history. It wasn't a whim. It was a military grade attack.
You really need to think on occasion.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore Look how many of the myths you have been wrong about so far, you thought NASA imaged temps that are consistent with "molten steel", temps no less than 2800 degrees. You thought "super duper nano thermite" (excuse me while I laugh again) could make "rivers of molten steel", you couldnt even tell me how such rivers would be possible in a collapsing building with debris falling in all directions! Jeepers, how did all that "molten steel" accumulate and maintain a molten state?
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron You're a very subtle sort of liar sometimes, I'll give you that.
What NASA imaged was 880-degree temps through massive tonnage of debris, TWO MONTHS after the collapse.
What the direct eyewitnesses, including professional ironworkers, reported they saw was 'rivers of molten steel', and that they were 'flowing like lava'.
(cont)
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore You said NASA imaged "molten steel", 880 degrees wont create molten steel. I dont care if NASA imaged 880 degrees six months after 9/11, I have had deep pit barbecues burn for weeks after they were lit! Talk about "a subtle sort of liar", you take the cake! I'm still waiting for the evidence that supports your ridiculous claims of "molten steel", lets see it!
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron I'm still waiting for the page number and chapter of the NIST quote you made up out of whole cloth. Your 'quote' appears NOWHERE in NIST's Final Report on WTC 7.
You're a fucking fraud.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron Again, from FEMA:
"Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure."
Some words to focus on, slow-coach:
Evidence.
Severe high temperature corrosion.
Melting.
Readily visible.
"A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel."
Wake the fuck up.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore That has NOTHING to do with "MOLTEN STEEL" you silly little boy! It's talking about the surface of the steel, NOT "molten steel", are you truly that dense or are you actually trying to look like an idiot? Again, where is your evidence to support your silly claim of "molten steel"? How many times have I asked you so far? Now you're starting to throw a fit again! Hilarious! You still havent provided the NASA image that shows "Molten steel", YOU said "NASA imaged it", lets see it!
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron Dear fuckwit. FEMA was directly reporting their analysis of the steel's surface, the part that was readily visible. You really need to learn to read and critically think.
NASA's thermal images are public record. Stop being so lazy.
So, steel that has 'melted', and eutectic 'liquid' and 'severe high temperature attack on the steel' doesn't penetrate your fog of unresearched denial?
Not my problem.
FEMA couldn't explain it, calling it "a very unusual event."
Let's hear yours.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore Heck, lets see where NASA imaged temps of 2800 degrees! As I said before, you should really check into the sources of the statement s you make your claims by. When you get your information from truther websites and truther youtube videos you can automatically assume they are lies because they are. I love when truther read a truther site, they will take quotes suggested by truthers who post them out of context, like you did when you quoted FEMA on the subject of surface corrosion
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron And there you go, off into the lalaland of straw-man arguments.
Put your money where your mouth is. Show me ANY other context FEMA's evidence can be taken in. You haven't read ANY of this shit. You're just running a debumpkin script of lie, deny, make up your own quotes, etc.
You FABRICATED a quote, youstupidmorn.
You're done.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore When did I fabricate a quote? You're only evidence of "molten steel" is a quote from FEMA that says nothing about "molten steel". You are trying to take a quote out of context and claim the one part that says "intergranular melting" constitutes "molten steel", you claimed NASA imaged "molten steel" , then you come back after you realized they didnt and try to claim temps of 880 constitute "molten steel"! Hilarious! You have failed on EVERY level! You really need some help!
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron Oh my God, enough of you. Your NIST 'quote' ISN'T IN THEIR REPORT.
I've said it often enough that you pretending otherwise is just some sick attention-whoring bullshit.
Cite the chapter and page. Or better yet, TRY THE ACTUAL REPORT, not some debumpkin site.
The Final Report on WTC 7 has a very good search function. NONE of the keywords in your quote brings up ANYTHING like what you put in quotes.
Done with you, you stupid moron.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron 880 degrees through millions of tons of debris. Two months later. This is EVIDENCE, thermally imaged by NASA, coupled with onsite underground direct eyewitnesses, including professional ironworkers and firemen and arson investigators.
So much for your underground BBQ pit myth.
What's next, youstupidmoron?
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore Again, 880 degrees does NOT constitute "molten steel", not even close! In case youre not aware of this, steel becomes "molten" at 2800 degrees, not 880. I dont care how much steel was stacked on top. Another problem with your claim of "molten steel" being "imaged by NASA" is the fact that it's impossible for steel to maintain a molten state without a source of heat at 2800 degrees. In fact, there was no 2800 degree source of heat anywhere near the WTC. How is a deep pit BBQ a myth?
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron You're exposed. You don't own a foundry, you have no idea what eutectic means.
A debate is not just saying 'nuh uh', and you have NO RESPONSE to being busted flat-out lying and making up a quote that DOES NOT EXIST, and DOES NOT SAY WHAT YOU CLAIM.
The BBQ pit myth is that the nurses would let you play with fire in the institution. ;)
Thanks for failing, youstupidmoron. Come get me with your roving death/deportation squads. Pack a lunch.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron (cont) What FEMA reported was:
"Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel."
(Cont)
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
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@youstupidmoron (cont)
"The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified.""
Talking about official reports here, not just you saying, "Nuh uh!"
So which do you think I give more credence to? You, a provable liar and shill?
Or the people we paid to investigate this attack?
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore It's crazy how you nut cases fall for all those ridiculous myths without even checking into the sources of such claims! You are typical of all truthers, you want to believe the govt was involved, your immaturity is plainly demonstrated by your refusal to look at REAL facts and REAL sources. You dont want to see such sources, in fact you avoid them at all costs. Every single claim you wacky truthers come up with has been destroyed countless times yet you still WANT to believe!
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore eutectic has nothing to do with "molten steel", it would serve you well to look it up! As for me owning a foundry, I do, I bought it ten years ago when the previous owner was retiring and going to close it down. I worked there as a teenager, if it had, 15 to 20 people would have lost their jobs. Whether you believe or not, I don't care. My past work there and present ownership gives me the experience to know "molten steel" and that's it's presence at WTC is impossible.still waiting
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron I did look it up long ago, and it deals directly with temperature. Sorry if you don't understand the melting points of sulfur and iron, or the implications regarding the tested steel.
You're done on that point. You lack the scientific creds, and demonstrate it every time you speak.
Surface melting of steel, alone and of itself, debunks the official story of office fire temps. Period.
So, where's my chapter and page number on your NIST lie?
Keeeeeep ducking, youstupidmoron.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore I did not fabricate anything, since you find it easy to lie and mislead, as evident by your numerous lies, it does not mean that I would be dishonest. I have no reason to be dishonest, that is the truther way of doing things! I took my quote directly from "NIST Response to the World Trade Center Disaster". Look it up! Its on page three. Whats really funny is that you think your quote from NIST speaks of melting steel, when in fact it speaks of chemical erosion! You failed again
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron The subject, you moron, was WTC 7! And now you SWITCH REPORTS to one that didn't even cover it?
And then you try to say that it says something about WTC 7, to shore up your bullshit point about a ten-story hole? My god, you're a piece of work.
By the way, chemical melting is melting, sister. And it was VERY clear it was talking about 'EXTREME HIGH HEAT'.
Run along, fraud, liar, fake, and victim.
You lost.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron My quote wasn't from NIST, either, dipshit. It was from the FEMA report, which was only APPENDED in the NIST report.
It's clear who the ignorant liar is.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore If you had looked it up you would know the entire quote you posted was referring to chemical erosion, not "molten steel". This is the problem you truthers have, you have no idea what you're talking about, you make assumptions which always bite you in the ass, you trust the ridiculous claims you read on truther websites that are written by people with no more knowledge on the subject than yourself! You think because they agree in your idiotic "inside job" garbage that they cant lie!
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore Well, that takes care of all your myths! It's been fun destroying another truther! If you ever decide to answer the questions you avoided and constantly changed the subject on, let me know! I will be happy to annihilate those as well! Do yourself a favor, if thats your son in the photo with you, dont let him ever look at your computer, it would probably make him lose all respect for you! Hopefully you dont fill his head with your lies! That would be a cruel trick to play on a kid!
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron Translation:
You got caught red-handed manufacturing a fake quote, and now, as you should, you leave. You're a fraud and a troll, and we both know it.
The blatant nature of just making up a quote to suit you, and then taking off IS what I expect from shills, but most debunkers are ten times as honest as you'll ever be.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore The only reason you claim to be done is it's the easiest way for you to save face! (at least you think you're saving face) You know you failed repeatedly with your comments about "molten steel", your claim about NASA, your ignorance on the FEMA quote you tried to pass off as support for "molten steel", every claim you made! Not to mention all the other myths you failed to support! As I said, you truthers WANT to believe the "inside job" myth, you despise all forms of authority.
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron You're flat out busted wide open. The subject was WTC 7, you used the wrong report to make a fraudulent point, and you just flatly lie about what FEMA found.
It's obvious what happened here. I should have known it was just a stunt. I knew what WTC 7 report said. Not one bit of what you posted looked familiar, and YOU KNEW what the subject was, so this isdishonest.
Talk about myths.
I'm not worried about your roving death squads. You'd go to the wrong house and shoot the cat.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore I caught you in a flat out lie and now you are trying desperately to make me look bad! I didnt "run away", I went to bed! Chemicle EROSION is NOT the same as "molten steel"! Not even close! Where does it say extremely high temperatures means temps hot enough to create and maintain "molten steel"? It DOESN'T! it does not even imply that! I did not fabricate anything, the quite I posted was absolutely from NIST, I even gave you the title! I didn't even attempt to mislead, unlike you!
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron You should talk about lies! ROFL. You 'own a foundry'. Uh huh.
You FABRICATED a quote from NIST's Final Report, or used an older version.
Calling me a terrorist and a liar in view of simple public facts just makes you desperate and shrill.
You don't fool ANYONE.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@OneVoiceMore I'm STILL waiting for you to support your claim that NASA imaged temps over 2800 degrees under all three WTC buildings? Now I see you're claiming that there is a so called "meteor" of hardened "molten steel"! You are so gullible that you fell for a truther lie, it is NOT a chunk of "hardened molten steel"! It's a hunk of concrete with rebar in it! There is another chunk that truthers tried to claim was "hardened molten steel", it is actually a piece of hardened aluminum!
youstupidmoron 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron We'll let you change the subject. The minute you acknowledge that you were in complete error as to what NIST said about the 'ten-story hole' causing WTC 7's collapse.
How about that, pumpkin?
Three direct quotes from their report, all of which are unequivocal in stating that falling debris from WTC 1 didn't cause the collapse, nor contribute to it.
Or am I still just quoting a truther site and lying?
We can change the subject when you get honest.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
Debumpkins, the new Nazi Party.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
From NIST's Official report:
"This (damage from WTC 1's debris) was near the west side of the south face of the building and was far removed from the buckled column that initiated the collapse."
"Other than initiating the fires in WTC 7, the damage from the debris of WTC 1 had LITTLE EFFECT on initiating the collapse of WTC 7."
"This was a fire-induced progressive collapse, also known as a disproportionate collapse."
Those are facts.
Feel free to ignore user 'youstupidmoron', a clueless fuckwit.
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
@youstupidmoron
"Other than initiating the fires in WTC 7, the damage from the debris of WTC 1 had LITTLE EFFECT on initiating the collapse of WTC 7."
There's another fact from NIST's report you seem to be trying very hard to ignore.
Wanna try again?
OneVoiceMore 10 months ago
see my info about this on my face book. victor lotorto. this is an information war. Why would stupid idiots like bush know anything about information and/or intelligence. Hes a common crook in a suit but no very smart. He stole some nuk programs i developed to change time and money in bank accounts. Im fucking serious. I do rap music wwwsoundclickcom/akalegendarystatus go there and listen to 808 flight. Someone stole my program and took off in an airplane with it hoping to land in the future
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samilliw1 1 year ago
The more and more i try to argue with people trying to explain our government's involvement in the 9/11 matters the more and more i realize how ignorant most americans trully are. So many people just sit in front of they're televisions and all they see mainstream news media versions of the events that occurr. Refusing to accepts any other sources of information. I hate to say this but if we want somethign done about this. Civil war is the ONLY answer.
p13ty4real 1 year ago 4
@p13ty4real Really........civil war......thats a little lop sided. You plus a few thousand against who? The Government! People that doesn't think like you do! How many is that Billions I think.
If you don't like how it is now after your war how could it be better? People kill each other over food, water and power.......electric power that is.
1REDDAWN13 1 year ago
@1REDDAWN13 First off id like to be clear that civil war is not that path i wish to see this country go down. I just simply made the statement that civil war is the only thing thats gonna get the rites back that we all deserve to have. People dont have to kill each other over sources of energy or food. They shouldnt have to anyway. The primary cause of the resource collapse is due to the fact that companies constantly make products that we consumers purchase that only last a few months.
p13ty4real 1 year ago
@p13ty4real but unfortunately those teachings would only be applicable if we have the rite's that we are born with. So after we have re aquired the rite to live peacefully and happily, we could begin to implement them. I just want to see happiness restored to the world. Or if not "restored" then created. The world being under the oppression of banksters and tyrannical leaders is not gonna get us there.
p13ty4real 1 year ago
@p13ty4real Little better.
Blaming the bankers is like blaming a drug dealer when you have a drug problem. If you lived inside your means you wouldn't owe so much. So, many go into debt over stupid crap.
1REDDAWN13 1 year ago
@1REDDAWN13 You call houses stupid crap? You call getting a car so that someone can get back and forth from work stupid crap? A lot of people end up having to take out mortgages on they're homes just to pay medical and hospital bills. What about banks and credit card companies that jack interest rates up on people without giving them a reason? Live within our means? Who are you to decide our means?
p13ty4real 1 year ago
@p13ty4real No, a house and car are not stupid crap. a 4x4 truck that doesn't go off road n, 3 big screen tvs, $1000 camping gear you use 2 times, a motorbike you don't use even if the weather is good, a jet ski you use 2 hours a year...that stupid crap. So you are telling me you just have the thing you need too live and too have some fun. Not one thing of crap that you didn't need and you put the electric bill on your credit card because of it.....don't lie.
1REDDAWN13 1 year ago
@1REDDAWN13 I would almost agree with you on the specifics of your comment however i still disagree with your statistics. Buying those things are not why people are in debt. Not many people (and this is just an example) are gonna have, lets say a 2k monthly income and go out and intentionally rack up 3k dollars a month in debt. part of the major problem is yes that credit card companies do sneaky shit like jack up rates without telling you.
p13ty4real 1 year ago
@p13ty4real All 3 of which have been systematically redesigned to rake in as much profit as possible for the money hungry elite of the world and the banksters who control everything that is going on. Healthcare, realestate and credit barrowing. All part of a plan to financially enslave the general population. Furthermore if we didnt buy all this junk...there'd be even less jobs available for people.
p13ty4real 1 year ago
@p13ty4real "Furthermore if we didnt buy all this junk...there'd be even less jobs available for people. "....Now you see it for the truth. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. I have too counter the why people go into debit. The examples I gave are from people I know. The biggest reason people go into debt is consumerizim. If 6 is good 10 is better. The other they buy biggest house they think they can get. Most hear the words but dont understand what it is going to cost a mouth.
1REDDAWN13 1 year ago
@1REDDAWN13 I'm saying I'm for the assholes. Just saying there is enough blame to go around. My bro was stressing I ask why. He had a job that when it ran its course he would not have a job. He was trying to find the number of savings that he would need for 6 mouths or more without a job. He could go without a job from weeks to over a year before he got another job. So he need some savings. Yes with the type of money he was making, this man eat peanut butter sandwhiches.
1REDDAWN13 1 year ago
@1REDDAWN13 Second off this country busts its ass off to make our corporations and they're owners richer than hell. Were not gonna spend our off time sitting in a chair staring off into space hoping we can get to work as fast as possible the next day to make our employers even richer. Damn rite were gonna have some fun on our offtime. You seem to have a very poor understanding of how the world works. You seem to agree with the elite mindframe.
p13ty4real 1 year ago
@p13ty4real Credit card are drugs. You think man its only 15 dollars a month and look what I get.....a little taste.......a little more.......for long your monthly is 400 dollars times 3. Dam rite you are in debit big time. When I was 24 I was finishing fighting a war so do not think for second you know me or everything. Also if you where the person who is getting all that money @24 you would say Dam rite show me the money....
1REDDAWN13 1 year ago
@p13ty4real "Who are you to decide our means"
Oh....not deciding what you can or can't buy.....that if you don't have the cash "YOU" have decide is it worth it to put it on credit. knowing its going to cost more in the long run......If you don't have cash for a rainy day lord forbid you do have an accident how do you pay for it.....credit....now your card is filling up.
1REDDAWN13 1 year ago
@1REDDAWN13 furthermore if you have a good paying job and CAN afford those things on a monthly basis with extra cash leftover...then suddenly your plant shuts down or there's just suddenly no demand for w/e your doing and you lose your job? Im fairly sure that these 2 reasons are the primary cause of debt in our country. You have to be extremely dumb to intentionally let your debt exceed your monthly income.
p13ty4real 1 year ago
@1REDDAWN13 Actually i take that back i want to again bring up the subject of healthcare costs in our country. Healthcare for the insured and uninsured is off the charts in cost. Insurance is off the charts in cost. If you have any one single thing happen to you that lands you in the emergency room or requies you to have surgery. you WILL pay on it for years of your life to come. Tens of thousands of dollars. So these 3 things are the primary causes of debt in our country.
p13ty4real 1 year ago
@p13ty4real People only hear what they want. This house for 1,000 a mouth that a deal. Rule of thumb double you note is what its going to cost to own that house. Now you are at 2,000 of a 3,000 pay check a mouth. So now you take the other bills out of the 1,000. That no food, no gas,no going out; but look what I own....(3,000x 12=36,000 year take home)...Yes it sux how much it cost for a doctor and the like. Every seen what a doctor pays to go to scool..ever seen his insurance bill.
1REDDAWN13 1 year ago
@1REDDAWN13 Companies can make products that last lifetimes but they wont do that because its not good for business. Business requires a constant consumer market so they make sure they're products only last so long so we have to one day again repurchase. Food shortages wouldnt occurr if America specifically would reduce its waste. There are teachings of inner peace and self enlightenment that would prevent major wars from breaking out. And would also help to equalize the status of the world.
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vishesfishes 1 year ago
these fucks are smart,,, when therre is a uprising against the government, they trow a negro president in there so the media will say it is a racist thing.. and the ppl will turn on each other,, the design is well thought of ppl,,,
eagletalons2007 1 year ago
and people don't think the government was involved in 9/11 ? these whistleblowers should get a release from their secrecy contract so they can speak out and tell the truth but those who might be guilty of criminal actions are blocking that from happening..the corruption in the government is unimaginable so many work for their own agenda and not for the benefit of the country
xadam2dudex 1 year ago
Sibel Edmonds!!!
Jhunch1234 1 year ago
Nine years after 9/11, and still nothing.... when are the American people gonna wake up, walk to the White House, Pentagon,, all local FBI, IRS, and Fed-Res buildings, burn down those places, and take back the country that their forefathers built to get away from the oppression of the private bankers and royal family?
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artillero130 1 year ago
The only thing the debunkers seem to be able to do is make hilarious jokes about all of this investigation. They make some very valid points about some aspects of the truth movement which we should definitely listen to, however, in the end the picture is clear enough. Some very evil people allowed this all to take place and they SHOULD be stopped. The TRUTH WILL WIN!
Poonard 1 year ago
just 2 years ago, people said I was in the minority, something fishy going on here WAKE UP. I'm glad to say now I'm in the majority. just goes to prove people are smarter than I thought. but the question still remains, how and what, to solve this?
SPAGHETTIMONSTER1 1 year ago 2
@SPAGHETTIMONSTER1 the trouble is though, the minority has so much invested in the lie that there is a very tough struggle ahead for the truth to reign.
Poonard 1 year ago
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Die1Faust 1 year ago
That Edmonds broad is kinda hot.
MrBeaverthief 2 years ago