Q/A: Listening to music?

[kawaiigardiner]

The verse that is normally used is related to 'idle talk' - Muhammad Mahsin Khan's translation ('The Noble Qur'an') puts in the foot notes that it relates to Music. Unfortunately far to many Muslims prefer to avoid the 'common sense' test because 9/10 you'll know the answer already.

[bodpaka]

Crazy sufi

[Iammram]

I'm not making excuses for anything, I am merely "explaining"

You keep focusing on the punishments instead of anything else, that would be like me focusing on the death penalty in the U.S. and saying the U.S. is inhumane or wrong.

The Qur'an does NOT speak about killing an apostate. This is the problem, you keep typing without knowing.

I never professed anything to u argue the case, don't assume what i am or not.

I almost repeated the same argument, if you don't get it then don't waste my time

[sids500]

"Hadiths are recordings by the companions of the prophet". Are they? They are "considered" as that, but are they really? Where can this be shown to be true?

[sids500]

How can these simple questions not have clear answers if this is the word of god they are talking about. He was obviously not that clever, as he wrote scriptures that can be interpreted many many different ways. What an idiot that god is!

[Iammram]

@sids500

No, you're the idiot. Why don't you ask next time instead of throwing insults, especially when you didn't seem to have "Listened" to what they spoke about?

They are discussing "Hadiths"

Hadiths are recordings by the companions of the prophet

Qur'an is considered the Word of God.

You dunce...

[sids500]

@Iammram I'm glad you said "considered", as we both really know what it is, don't we? It's a story which promises fantasies if you obey competely, riches if you fight the enemy (kuffars), friends and allies if you preach the word. From the outside, it is plain to see it's written by man to control man. There is simply no evidence that a single sentence of it is true, much less that it is the word of god. The hadith also contains sexism, racism and death for apostasy! That's your moral code?

[Iammram]

@sids500

I said "considered" because I'm speaking from the outside and don't want to come off as an absolutist to kill all debate by words alone.

What you are doing now is swerving around the topic and what I stated to you and saying other things. I'm not about to go down this road and waste my time.

I will say quickly:

Racism where and how?

The first person to give the call for prayer was a black man! ( A freed slave )

If you genuinely have questions, then message me cuz' you're going off.

[sids500]

@Iammram "Racism where and how?" Have you read either? Killing apostates and kuffars. Is that not racism? I am certainly not swerving the topic. I have asked a few questions but no answers from you. Just the usual assertion that because it says something in a book it must be true, except if it's not nice, in wehich case it is ignored and skirted around. Let's start with this one then......Do you condone the death penalty for apostasy? A common question, but not sufficiently apologised for.

[Iammram]

@sids500

Racism implies Race/color, but fine I see how you mean it.

Apostates no, this is often misconstrued, In the context of passages, apostates were (and even today) are those who not only leave but "Curse" the religion in return.

Kafir's no, unless you mean it again in the "context" that they were the pagans whom the Muslims were in battle with?

You really shouldn't pick out things like this, it doesn't help you to understand anything when you are looking for negatives to use against.

[Iammram]

Continued:

As for your other comment that I just noticed on Hadiths, click reply to my name next time so I see it.

Yes Hadiths are recordings. How can this be shown? Look at them lol

The people who recorded them have their full names in the recordings.

[sids500]

@Iammram As usual, you xcannot reply yes or no to a simple question involving the edicts of your faith. You make excuses for the bad things (see your reply) and exaggerate the good as if it were proven truth. Yes, apostasy is considered punishable by death if you take the texts literally. You are right, some do some don't. But that's my point. The qur'an is apparently the word of god (again completely up for dispute), so it should be clear and interpreted the same way by all........

[xTheRiGs]

@sids500 There aren't many smart people n the world... a lot of people mis interperate things... the thing is you have to do the research when you ee something

[sids500]

@Iammram It's a useless god who is all-powerful and mighty, yet cannot explain itself clearly to it's subjects. The text also contain orders on what to do wih non-believers. Some fundamentalists follow this. Oters knowing it's wrong, choose to ignore it and only follow the good bits. How does this lead anyone the think it's worth following at all? I could pick and choose what i like to follow, it would be easy. As an outsider it seems just clearly nonsense! Maybe you are too close to it to see?

[IanHJames]

Any religion that says you can't listen to music is deeply, deeply wrong.

[tompointzero]

any religion that says you should listen to music is deeply deeply wrong. @IanHJames

[IanHJames]

@tompointzero What religion does that? As far as I am concerned ALL religion is vile and disgusting. Music is pretty cool though :)

[tompointzero]

Jews had the horn, Christians chose the bell ... MUSLIMS CHOSE THE HUMAN VOICE for their call to prayer ... clearly we Muslims have the best taste. @tompointzero

[IanHJames]

What are you blokes going on about? Some chap from 100s of years ago wrote some kind book and we have to do whatever it says? How is practising a system of ethics based on the promise of a reward (afterlife with 72 virgins or whatever) preferable to practising a system of ethics based on it simply being the Right Thing To Do? Why don't you work out your own moral values? And why do you all have beards? How does having a beard make you a better person? None of this makes any sense to me!

[asma1913]

@IanHJames

People have different styles and like different appearances. Some men like moustaches, some grow french beards, and some men are clean shaved. Many men choose how to style thier facial hair based on a popular celebrity whereas other choose based on how it suits their face. Religious Muslim men love Muhammad (pbuh), Jesus(pbuh), Abraham (pbuh) and many other prophets - ALL OF WHOM ARE DEPICTED TO HAVE BEARDS. what ever the style of facial hair why do you discreminate??

[IanHJames]

@asma1913 Yeah, well, shaving technology was pretty crap in the old days, and there wasn't much spare water in the desert for shaving. Why can't Islam adjust to the modern world? Do you really have to continue butchering animals in a barbarically cruel way, just because that's the best they could do hundreds of years ago? Do you have to keep oppressing women? Can't you free yourselves from blind idealogy? You are wasting your lives on this crap.

[asma1913]

@IanHJames

Everything you have questioned above has nothing to do with Islam. When the Quran clearly states not to cause pain to an animal fo slaughter AND TO TREAT IT WITH RESPECT BEFORE THE SLAUGHTER, When the Quran cleary CONDEMS those who oppress ANYONE (women, childern, elderly) and asks muslims to FIGHT THOSE WHO OPPRESS... Then i dont get where the heck you get your information from, unless ofcourse you have it all mixed up and ofcourse have no knowledge of Islam

[asma1913]

@IanHJames

The 72 , 82 or 92 --- OR 102 - (JOKES) whatever the number... of virgins...

There is no such thing in Islam.... I think CNN or maybe FOX News made that up.

[drumrnva]

Shabir has an awesome beard.

[aims660]

History regarding our beloved Jesus and Moses are not available in many Islamic texts, therefore we take advices in wich make one stronger, and leave which makes you weaker. Again, that's "common sense". The hadith regarding muisc which Mohammad (PBUH) fell asleep is valid. The one about weddings is also valid, woman singing clean lyrics amongst one another is ok. In Islam you are supposed to be happy and enjoy certain things, but within the guidelines. The issue is string and wind instruments

[aims660]

i agree you can't say halal and haram so easily, because Allah told us not to do so. YET, nullifying a hadith is VERY dangerous! Music these days may sound innocent, but it means something totally different, the sound effects you hear in the background, it's horrible. Tell a teenager that loves music to be able to choose between what's right and wrong to listen to, their judgment will be impaired.

[aariff84]

fyi, ibn Arabi is Sufi

[Machher786]

@aariff84 Ibn Al-'Arabi and Ibn-'Arabi are 2 different people. One is from Ahlus Sunnah the other uttered stated words of kufr. Ibn Al'Arabi is the one from Ahlus Sunnah and is a great scholar (who is the one who is quoted here), inshAllah let us be clear on the scholars and who they were. But I agree musical instruments are haram.

[blackbeltedninja]

@aariff84

there is a difference between Qadi Abu Bakir Ibn AlArabi who was a Maliki scholar, and the sufi philosopher Ibn Arabi.

they are two completely different people

[Espada623]

so its ok to listen to music and play guitar if its nod bad?

[JimWAllan]

You don't believe that the Sun 'asks permission to rise' or that the Sun and moon 'ride in chariots' so why believe that music is haram? More and more muslims are now choosing to follow only the Quran, and of course God would understand and accept that because THE QURAN ITSELF SUPPORTS THIS!

[MrIhateislam100]

who is this ugly motherfucker , stupid islam

[KucingKayap]

@MrIhateislam100 atheist!

[MrA19A92]

@MrIhateislam100 Respect the views, traditions, customs, and religions of others that they may respect yours. If you are an atheist, you are only being as dogmatic and hateful as the religious fanatics that are a plague upon this earth. If you an adherent of a different fatih, remember that all religions are united by their belief in God.

[MrIhateislam100]

@MrA19A92 islam doesn't respect other religions , in islam you get killed if you decide to convert to any other religion . islam has no respect for anything and anyone . and yes i read the koran . the koran teaching are very clear . hate and kill the infidels , hate nad kill the jews , and many other things that i don't want to get into right now . islam is the worst disease

[MrA19A92]

@MrIhateislam100

If it is your belief that Islam condones violence and hatred, then maybe you should avoid being hateful yourself. I am a Muslim and I for one detest any form of violence against the innocent. I strive everyday to bridge the gap between myself and those of other faiths. I try to learn about different points of view regarding religion and belief in God. I encourage others to transcend their religious or cultural differences, and to embrace others out of humanity, not religion.

[MrIhateislam100]

@MrA19A92 so you want me to respect traditions and wiews of islam , some examples of koran's teachings

those who rebel by choosing this life over the next will go to hell 79:37-39 ( suicide mombing anyone )

allah loves those who fight for him 61:4

don't make friends with allahs enemies 58:14-15

smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight them , those who die fighting for allah will be rewarded 47:4

those who disbeleive will be slaughtered 33:60-61

[MrA19A92]

@MrIhateislam100

I did not ask you to respect Islam, for that is up to you. All I ask is that ratherbthan hating, we work collectively to bring reform to our actions. As for the verses you cited, even if they are irrefutable proof of Islam being barbaric and violent, does it really matter at the end of the day? Why can't we put outdated and hateful ideas and doctrines behind us, and progress collectively to a more peaceful future? I believe in the unity of mankind, regardless of religion.

[KucingKayap]

Theres a hadith tht states, ''Music n musical instruments can be found in every household''...... The Radio?? Music should not be listened to make someone hypnotised and to memorised every lyrics of it. Also, there r lots of music tht contains pornographic phrses like 'I Love U'' etc.There has even been found tht songs actually contains satanic praises when played backwards. Already, songs played a major role in modern era with singing idol competition. I thnk we should stay away frm music.

[MrA19A92]

@KucingKayap Do not generalise; not all music is "pornographic" or "satanic." There are many musicians who preach a message of peace and understanding through their music. There is a lot of music out there that inspires people to do well, to aspire to great things. So, again, do not generalise. Good and evil are not as clear-cut as we like to think.

[KucingKayap]

@MrA19A92 Im not saying tht all music is bad. The only thing we should be aware of r those mainstream music industry tht influences the mass society. Most of the time, thy portray low degrading moral identity in concerts n music videos down to their lyrics. Sometimes listening to the musical instuments alone can be hypnotising. I must agree on u bout music to motivate n inspire which reflects something good in a person to do good.

[KucingKayap]

@KucingKayap In the end of it all, lyrics play an important role in lilstening to music.

[MrA19A92]

@KucingKayap I agree with you when you say that much of the mainstream music is morally degrading and is, at many times, hypnotising as you say. I think that, in this case, we, having been blessed by God with reason and intellect, should exercise our best judgements when it comes to listening to music. God does not want us to simply believe what we hear, but to use our reasoning and intellect to come to our decisions.

[Parvez86]

Subhan'Allah, this guy is chatting nonsense! Clearly he does not have knowledge of what is is trying to argue. Also Ibn al-Arabi was a DEVIANT!!!

[kilaal]

he is just one of the people mentioned in hadiths who make permissible ma'azif (music). the strange thing is what he said in the begining 1:03 making him out right hypocrite. if someone makes halal and haram up to his own opinions then he is a Tagoot. It is common knowledge throughout history that singing WITHOUT music is halal for men, women however can play the duf.

[szuberi]

Music is not haram since Quran doesn't prohibit it. Simple as that. Hadiths are a lie

[MDefsquad9]

All music is not haram..u have good music and you have bad music...a the duff(drum) is a from of instrument..a duff is no different than a guitar instrument there both musical sound instrument. but yet your aloud to use the duff and not guitar or other instruments..but you say to your self all music is haram but you use a musical instrument your voice when you hum in the nasheeds or using the Duff(Drum)...a lot of muslims misunderstand the Quran. check your self and stop being narrowed minded

[MDefsquad9]

All Music is not haram..you can sing nasheeds and a human voice is lnaguage of sound..drum,guitar,piano,instr­uments are a form of sound just depends how u use it. I prefer the good way I sing and play for Allah my intentions is not to mislead people. How about King David and his Harp..Allah didnt say nothing about that as it was played in a good way. How about the book of pslams in the bible all of those are nasheeds/songs of Allah. All singing/instruments are not haram.

[SteauaBucuresti]

@MDefsquad9

All music is haraam. Don´t hypocrite. Don´t choose what is haram and what is not. Beethoven and Mozart are the works of Sheytan. They insult our prophet and our relgion. European culture is haraam.

[protocol1919]

2 girls who were singing (btw the instrument they used was the Dooff, something the Prophet (pbuh) allowed...) were actually young girls (please dont interpret to your own desires) and he allowed them to sing and here singing is allowed when it is not idle talk (i.e doesnt go against anything in Sharia)...as for instruments you have a verse and a hadith to back it up (Music)...so either if you want listen to Nasheed (Vocal) or even better listen to Quan.=)

And Allah knows best

[protocol1919]

verse in Sura Luqman as follows : "And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e.music, singing, etc.) to mislead (men) from the Path of Allâh without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allâh, the Verses of the Qur'ân) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-fire)."...There you have it my dear "Shiekh" a clear cut verse in the Quran telling you Music is haram..as for the issue of singing, the hadiths which you mentioned come into account such as the

[protocol1919]

...and see Shiekh Uthaymeen May Allah have mercy on him, who I'd say would place 1000000X of this "Shiekh" in his pocket with ease, furthermore even better than this Shiekh Uthaymeen (May Allah have mercy on him) are the Mufasireen (Interpreters of Quran) interpreted the

[protocol1919]

Bismillah AlRahman Araheem

May Allah give his blessings on his Prophet Peace be Upon him.

As for the "well- versed" and "so called knowledgable Shiekh" the hadith which you ignorantly werent able to quote (Im not sure if you even knew it)...it's There will be among my ummah people who permit adultery, silk, alcohol and musical instruments (this source we call the sunnah something we refer to)...as for Quran come and see

[antonio12390]

One thing that really baffles me is that as muslims, we categorically deny the authenticity of the Bible as even the earliest gospel was written 40 years after the death of Jesus. Yet here we are, reciting hadiths written down well over 200 years after the prophets death and using them as guidance to determine what is Halal/Haram. Allah has, and always will be, the only law giver. If something is not explicit in the Qur'an, it is sufficient to use your REASON to decide to abstain from something

[antonio12390]

No Hadith can EXPLAIN the Qur'an because the Qur'an IS the judge for all other scripture and subsequent words in relation to it. Allah is the one who explains the Qur'an, and makes it's versus clear to us. Allah tells us Hid book is complete and fully detailed and that the prophet follows nothing other than what was revealed to him. I know that the general justification for following the hadiths are that the Qur'an tells us to obey the messenger, and people seem to think that by

[abdella4]

Islam is the perfect religion. Hadith doesn't go against the Qu'ran, it explains it. In the Qu'ran it says," To follow the ways of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W." Hadith is the life of Prophet Muhammed S.A.W.": It explains what is allowed in Islam and what is not. In the Hadith it say's,' All musical instruments are haram.

In the Qu'ran it says don't purchase idle talk.

In the hadith, it says idle talk is singing.

Go to Zakir's video on youtube. He will explain it well for you. Zakir is a Muslim!

[GA937]

SAW SAW, bring ONE SINGLE AYA that is telling us to follow the ways of the prophet. ONE SINGLE VERS that is telling us to imitate the prophet.

SAW SAW

[HUKASASHA]

What are you saying?!?

We are Indeed ordered to follow the prophet(Pbhm) and obey what he enjoin on us that which is right and forbid us that which is wrong. Here are some Ayas that talks about that 7:157, 7:158, 8:64, 4:69.

And what will be the best thing we can do to gain Allah's satisfaction on us other than imitating the Prophet Mohammad peace be up on him.

Ramadan Mubarak ....

[antonio12390]

If you are going to quote ayats to support what you are trying to say then you must not speak falsely about the,. 'obey what he enjoins on us and which is right and firbid us that which is wrong'. You are trying to imply that the prophet has this authority, which is clearly WRONG. Please read the versus before 7:157 and after to understand it.

You're argument is weak in the light of the whole Qur'an. Following the prophet does not equate to following hadiths.

[HUKASASHA]

at antonio12390:

brother...I guess i did not speak falsely about the aya. And I didn't mean that the prophet can enjoin or forbid things without the permission of Allah. But at the same time he Indeed has the authority to enjoin or forbid things what Allah tell him to and we are to believe Allah & his messenger.

actually i was replying to: GA937, so i'm not getting what you're up to.

[antonio12390]

I apologise then. As long as the understanding is that the prophet enjoins/forbids based ONLY on what is revealed to him i.e. The Qur'an.

[HUKASASHA]

yes... but there are things which is not in the Quran that we should also consider like the sayings of Mohammad peace be upon him(the Hadith).

That is what i was trying to say to:GA937

[antonio12390]

following the hadiths they are fullfilling this ayat. We all know to well that people who try to distort the messege of Islam select certain versus in isolation and use them to justify all kinds of things. PLEASE refer to the following ayats, and then tell me, in the light of them, what you think it means to obey the messenger.

75:16-18, 18:27, 17:12, 16:89, 12:111, 11:1, 10:59, 10:15, 6:19, 6:114-117, 6:126, 6:149-150, 7:52.

For the sake of Allah, please read them. THIS is Allahs guidance

[HUKASASHA]

I guess you are forgetting that following the Hadith means following the sayings of Muhammad(pbhm). And just to let you know, a Hadith to be accepted, it MUST NOT contradict the Quran.

[antonio12390]

Well no thats the problem isnt it. Following the hadith does not mean you are neccesarily following the sayings of the prophet. There are many 'sayings' of the prophet contained within the Qur'an itself, where Allah says, 'Say'.

Obviously if anything were to contradict the Qur'an then it would have to be rejected, but that isn't what is happening is it? Just one example. Look in to the penalty for adultery in Qur'an/Hadith.

[antonio12390]

You agreed that the prophet could not prohibit anything of his own accord, as Allah in the Qur'an tells the prophet to say 'I only follow what is revealed to me'.

Yet today we have widely accepted views that things such as music/pictures/gold/silk are haram.

[HUKASASHA]

Can you plz tell me which Hadith say that gold and silk are haram?

[antonio12390]

sure.

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 27, Hadith 4046

Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 7.731

Sunan of Abu-DawoodHadith 4224.

Salam.

P.S. I found these references after one search in google....I'm pretty sure you could have done the same :S

[HUKASASHA]

bro... I thought you were saying it is prohibited for both men and women. You made me search a lot on the Hadith you quoted Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 7.731( actually it's vol 7, book 72, hadith 732). Anyways What is the problem with that? Muhammad peace be up on him clearly say in these three hadiths that Gold & Pure Silk is prohibited for men but permitted for women. So why then you're complaining?

[antonio12390]

Brother, you agreed with me that Allah is the only one to make things halal and haram and yet here you are saying that our prophet forbade silk for men.

I deliberately only gave you those quotations of hadith. Now after reading them you think silk MUST be forbidden. This is how dangerous hadith are. Please look at the following:

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 170

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 171

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 733

[antonio12390]

Now, brother, please look at the following ayats from the Qur'an. Allah tells us in the Qur'an that he has made all good things lawful for us. Do you think he would then make bad things lawful for us in paradise?

18:31

22:23

35:33

44:53

76:12

76:21

Please note, all the above quoted hadith are from what you would call an authentic collection.

[HUKASASHA]

before I answer you, I need to ask someone who knows better than me on this one (like Shiekh) and see what the scholars think about it.

[hjizza2]

Music isnt haram, actually Quran approves of it. And remember hadith cant take over Quran. If music leads to sinful acts then it is a sin.

[jyunus]

Hamid Slimi is the biggest fraud.. he's a liar and hypocrite who can't keep his word.. he has a lot of money stashed away, turning Islam into a business which he hides from everyone.. he's not a scholar or a sheikh.. he's a joke.. he needs to be impeached as "president" the man is a clown

[oys535]

He's not a scholar or a sheikh? Is that why he is currently pursuing his PhD. in Islamic law and jurisdiction?

Get your facts right before making bonehead comments like this. I've met with him on multiple occasions and he is in no way what you are alleging he is.

You're saying he's a liar because he told you something and didn't carry it out? He is a very busy man, you have to call him and remind him and be more proactive then a little sissy on the sidelines waiting for something to happen.

[abuubaidah2]

Assalamualaikum, after reading some of the views above i see that this views can only be expreseed by people such quaniyyun those who only believes in quran and they reject the hadith. this is very dangerous as it is an act of kufr to reject the sunnah, allah says: wama atakumur rasulu fakhujuh, wama nahakum anhu fantahu- whatever that messenger orders you, take it and whatever he tells you to obstainfrom obstainfrom.

[abuubaidah2]

so whatever order of the prophet reches us with authentic transmission, it is wajib upon us to obay if we really believe in our testimony of faith "Muhammadur rasoolullah"

No muslim is a muslim if he denies that the sourse of legislation in islam is quran as well as Sunnah which reches us through authentic narration. quran can not be understood if we reject the sunnah as allah clearly mentions in the quran that the job of the prophet is to explain to us what was revealed upon us. 16:44

[abuubaidah2]

Allah says: And we have also send down to you( o muhammad sallallahualaihissallam) the dhikr [reminder and advice ie. Quran] that you may explain clearly to men what is send down to them and that they may give thought. 16:44 now from that we know that the one who understand beter then anybody is the prophet himself and he explained it to the sahabah and they passed it to the next generation and it will be passed oon untill the last day.

[abuubaidah2]

all we need to do is study and go back to the tafsir ibn kathir and other tafsir books to get the correct understanding of the religion. The Islam can not be practised without the sunnah which is carried by authentic hadith. for exampl allah orders us in the quran to pray salah but detail of prayer is only mentioned in the sunnah and a person can not be muslim until he prays according to how prohet prayed and it is only found in the sunnah and same for zakah and hajj etc.

[abuubaidah2]

Just do a search on you tube saying "status of the sunnah in islam and inshaallah you will find some good lecture and it will be clear that how much deluded and misguided people who reject sunnah by rejecting authentic hadith.

[abdella4]

This guy doesn't know what he is talking about instead of telling people the truth, he is misleading them. I never said anything bad about a Muslim before, but those who want to hear the truth regarding Islam go to Dr. Zakir - Islamic Scholar.

[YemeniAref]

well..Zakir Naik's notions and more importantly, his version of Islamic sharia do not represent the bulk. I think his version reflects more on the wahhabi ideology. Furthermore, within Islam there is a large platform for debate which covers the legality of various modern items and actions which are not deemed as blatantly outlawed. And I must stress that Naik is a remarkable academic in both Science and Islamic theology with comparative religions. But not reliable in field of Islamic sharia.

[LuqmanNaq]

Zakir Naik is a scholar of comparative religion and not Islam.

[uzer4567]

this man needs to know the diffrence between singing and music lol wow

[apocalypse3333]

What about the statements of the four imams regarding music and how they viewed it. What about the hadith of ibn umar covering his ears from hearing a certain type, what about the speech of the companions, and the list goes on. Do yourselves a favor, follow the hadith about staying away from that which is doubtful, this is from the bases of our religion, the haram is clear, and the halal is clear, leave the grey. salam

[ThaiboxerAikido]

Nope. Music is Haram.. Read Hadith Sahih Bukhari 69.Drinks Number 494v..

"Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari: that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful......"

[seechof]

the HARAM is only what could be harmful or bad by nature.

thank u for this video

[QuranSpeaks]

This is not Br Shabir but his cameraman, though I think I can shed some light on the verse you are talking about. Though ibn 'Abbas is a great sahabi and known as the commentator of the Quran, his explanation of the verse regarding "useless talk" does not directly mention music and hence should not be used as evidence against music. A valid source should clearly indicate the prohibition of music (and of course, be authentic).

[Machher786]

@QuranSpeaks and by qiyas, singing is worse than vain talk and should be considered haram, that is seperate from instruments.

Secondly, the great muhaddith Ibn Hajr Al-Asqalani authenticated the hadeeth found in Bukhari that talks about the prohibition of musical instruments. The masalah is much more lengthy than what seemed to be presented here, jazkAllahu khairun.

[hassan691987]

what about ibn abbas' commentary on the quran?

[ReadBelowHere]

yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy imam slimi!!!!!