SMWCP - Tempestuous XXIX

[FuchsKamer]

this somehow reminds me A LOT of VIP2:s poison gas level, but it at least offered something fair, by not having thousand of enemies on the screen at the same time,if a gimmick is to be focused to this 20sec time period, it should focus only in that, making the difficulty in terrain and not with enemies. Maybe in the special world this would be kind of acceptable. This comment is late, because I'm now stuck in this level and it makes me mad. It wants me to use tools. But... no. RAGE!

[Lockirby2]

Right at 7:07 I heard a beeping noise covering up Chef Ramsey's swear word in the living room. Needless to say, it flowed with the video quite well.

Oh, and it definately wasn't just you finding this hard. I found this to be probably the second hardest level in the game. And comepletely unbalanced; the area after the halfway point was a piece of cake!

[leafbarrett]

The problem is definitely not you, Raocow. Yes, you made some minor mistakes, but if the timer's so unforgiving that a single mistake will get you killed, it's the level.

[FMagl]

Oh man, romhacking drama a'brewin'!

Also, those bats remind me of Ninja Gaiden.

And ... Earthworm Jim joke YES!

[MegaSonicBro]

Owned by the nuclear wafle.

[Corrol132]

poor raocow, so extressed

[krazyhand]

raowcow should never play super meat boy if he thinks this is hard lol

[XenesisXenon]

@krazyhand Nah, he'd be fine. Ridiculously long levels with timing gimmicks =/= short levels with very tight platforming.

[rubino83]

"Why the maze level?" Because, as pointed out before, why make a level with 37 gimmicks when you can make one with 38?

[SkieBluFox]

Raocow, you deserve a nice lunch after having to go through all that.

If I had the power to do so, I would make you a delicious sandwich and somehow mysteriously make it appear at your humble abode.

[Kingslay3r]

this level makes me wanna punch babies!

[THEREALMOSH2]

I just got the pun in the title...

[2yearsandcounting]

this level looks REALLY fun!

[rubixmaster5567]

the "bear" is from cavestory

[nightwing45304]

The stuff you go through raocow. You. Are. A. GOD!

[Slit08]

Raocow: TLMB - Too Much Land Below :D

[krisu0100]

So most people say that ASMT is harder in SMWC... What a irony

[HikariNoNanaki]

"Somewhere is better than nowhere! It's better than Norfair. It's better than alot of things..." Do you really not like Metroid games, Raocow? T-T

[KaratekidSMW]

The "glitchy hit detection" shyguys have struck again. I guess they had off corner offsets or something, but they were still a bad part of the level.

Also, on the ASMT subject, both hacks have had their tough levels, though I really enjoyed them both. Collab hacks in general tend to have difficulty spikes at certain points because different people have different difficulty standards.

Anyway, I've missed a few lunches as well due to tough levels, so I hope yours was enjoyable!

[Luigiowns845]

Since when did raocow change games from SMWCP to VIP4?

[mewis29]

That defeated "oh" at 7:49 just broke my heart ;c

[coffeeninja88]

I'm all for creative use of gimmicks. But, this is one where I just have to emphatically call bullshit.

[Metalkatt]

At least they're REAL parabeetles, and not those Charlie-like ones. Hope you had an enjoyable lunch after this.

[posthumanfetus]

Those unrelated gimmicks.

[TheTerminus303]

This level is just awful. The time section just ruins it all.

[Ald2342]

ive become to love you just cause ur catplanet videos OH CATPLANET CAT PLANET CATPLANET -At the end- WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Retartedflyinghippos]

Analysis of this level;

Couldve had some leeway (30secs instead of 20)

Shouldnt have spikes around after blind jumps due to the time crunching theme of the first section

For the second section post-midpoint the foreground and background mixed

And of course like most levels in SMWCP, too long of a level.

[CanadianLPer]

I dont mind the concept of this time thing, but you gotta learn it by repetition which is a cheap tactic and should never be like that

[redwings66]

Yeah, this level was a real pain in the ass when I played it, so I feel for you, raocow. Honestly, the whole romhack was really subpar...

[KMmouse20]

This stage was plenty nutters, I have to say. It's more PANIC MODE gameplay than genuine difficulty though.

[AsianCaptainObvious]

From a watcher's perspective, ASMT was fantastic; I've never seen levels so amazing, or creative. From the player's perspective, Holy Sh*t.

This hack is average / good, respectively.

[Ccoolty]

It's better than norfair.

[trazac]

Wow, the quality of the levels went from being really high in the castle and really low in this one. Not only is it too hard and unfun, but the art is intentionally confusing.

[Moogy0]

This level strikes me as like... The guy had the idea for the whole 20 second thing, but didn't really bother to test it while actually adhering to the 20 second limit, I dunno. I think even just changing it to 30 seconds would have made it a lot more reasonable overall, as-is there's a lot of stuff that requires precision that's pretty hard to pull off without at least savestates. I think it might be pretty fun and hectic if the timer were a bit longer, basically

[marcusdranz]

There is no better word for that level than 'retardiculous'.

[MrDeePay]

The timed segments would've been a lot better if (1) the time limit was 30-40 seconds, as 20 seconds has very little room for error; and (2) the buggy Shy Guys and those annoying Swoopers were replaced with something else.

[LunarD3mon6]

anyone else notice that TLMB, the creator's name, could stand for "To Land Much Below?"

[skinnyluigi]

Hey raocow.

Deal with it :D

[DispariScuro]

Exploration based level + only 20s to explore = worst idea in this hack yet

[Murkglow]

Strict time limit? Check. Maze like level construction? Check. Many semi-difficult enemies (especially when you're rushing) and spikes? Check...

Yeah.

[Godelboard]

Did not realise we were playing hyper V again XD

[vorpalseraph]

Wow, what a stupid idea for a level. You basically need to know what's coming up in advanced in order to beat it, and that's just bad level design.

[AnUntitledStory]

@vorpalseraph Memorization? Raocow doesn't mind.

[LazurBeemz]

This level would have been completely fine if there had been a 20 block at 3:17 and if the 20 blocks at 4:38 had been above the bricks.

It really wasn't that bad, I don't think. the graphics were great. I think it changed scenes too much, though.

[gojimbob]

water pressure lv was the only one as hard as this.

[MoogleEmperor]

Yikes, how did the first half of that level pass quality checking? Any tester should have noticed that it's far too strict. The second half of the level was far better, but also fairly plain.

Level designers need to learn that there has to be a balance between difficulty and length: the longer you must go without a checkpoint, the lower the difficulty has to be to not ruin the fun factor.

I wouldn't try to compare this and ASMT, but I do smell hypocrisy in the air.

[MrDeePay]

@MoogleEmperor

As flawed as this hack is, there is a good amount of bias towards Raocow and ASMT (I'd like to know how his fans will react to Rupture in Reality), but that was to be expected anyway of those people.

[Vit837]

What do you mean by "Episode 0"?

[MichaelSaniyan]

@Vit837 Basically a video with little to no forward progress, and a disappointed Raocow complaining about stupid level gimmicks or some other unreasonable thing.

[TheGuyWhoIsSitting]

I swear this hack makes ASMT look easy. I can play through ASMT without getting too frustrated and without wanting to press rewind every five seconds, I can't say the same for SWMCP.

[dorko4u]

A strict time limit with accurate platforming? That's what all the new hot platformers are doing lately! Super Meat Boy, Donkey Kong Country Returns...

[JoshJepson]

Don't be discouraged, Raocow, ASMT was awesome. Clearly the good people at SWMC don't know what they're talking about... they did give mario a voice in this game after all. :3

[MrDeePay]

@JoshJepson

ASMT and SMWCP both got hammered for roughly the same things, though in different fashion.

[JoshJepson]

@MrDeePay Ahh, ok. Well I'm not part of the site, so I guess I wouldn't really know. :)

[Shadyguy111]

I think the problem was that he was panicking like crazy when he often had 4-5 seconds to spare.

[JoshJepson]

@Shadyguy111 Except for the fact that he can't see the future! You'd panic too if you had 4 second to death and no idea where you were going.

[Zeta1011]

These levels are the reason I don't play ROM hacks....I just watch other people play them XD

[LetsPlaySyntaxTerror]

roman letters? So you think that's just like hyper V ?

[kittah4]

Wow, can't believe how many vehement defenders it looks like this level has. Such extremely precise gameplay should only be a self-imposed challenge. When you only have one way you can possibly play a level and win, there's a problem with the difficulty. Not all people are TASers, and this level seems strict even for a speedrunner. Not to even mention all the OTHER trial-and-error ways you can die here.

[realreaper3]

Hey TLMB named a level after him.

[SaiaiChan]

I don't really see how having a cape or fire flowers would make this level EASIER.

[Slntpsych]

Awesome, a level where you have an unreasonable time limit and you need to know what you're doing ahead of time. Lovely.

[Bertrudor]

I love ASMT, but it definitely had some unfair levels. You might not remember because you used rewind more than usual. Regardless of that, I think this level looks crazy hard. Well made, but hard. I don't think the problem is you.

[raocow]

@Bertrudor Rewinds?

[heroteen16]

@raocow he's talking about save states. btw will you do an lp of a2mt yourself without save states?

[AnimaVex]

@raocow S/he means your demos, I think. As well as maybe one or two legit rewinds.

[Bertrudor]

@raocow Wow, didn't expect so much of a reaction from everybody. Let me say first, I love Raocow's videos, and I think ASMT was one of his best LP's. But let me give you an example of what I'm talking about. Video 23, "a gap the size of half an hour " (level "Ghosts Are Scary!" by BlackDS). That level was really unfair, and Raocow would undo some mistakes with rewinds. He would say, "I'm calling a mulligan here." That's not the only example. Just saying it happened more than usual during ASMT.

[raocow]

@Bertrudor haha, I forgot about that level.

...

Haha, there's a reason why I forgot about that level!

[somepartsareme]

@Bertrudor Raocow did asmt completely toolless. There were no rewinds at all.

[j2n]

@somepartsareme I've also heard, though I'm not sure if this is true, that Raocow played ASMT completely topless.

[MrDeePay]

@somepartsareme

King Charles' Castle?

[somepartsareme]

@MrDeePay Using rewinds on the "final" boss ≠ more rewinds than usual.

[MrDeePay]

@somepartsareme

You said he played ASMT completely tooless, so I brought up one level where he did.

[intoxicated12gauge]

@Bertrudor He pretty much used no tools for asmt. The only time I can remember was when he wanted to show the entirety of a muri-path level.

[shadowrundas]

@Bertrudor didnt he play tool free?

[Tsakurokur]

@Bertrudor Raocow used absolutely NO tools in ASMT. There was one bout where he said he placed a savestate in that "water pressure" level thing, but he didn't need to use it. He played ASMT completely legit, and he's awesome for that.

[CountBleck222]

@Bertrudor No he didnt. I dont recall Raocow using Rewinds all that much. Maybe once or twice maybe.

[metatine]

@Bertrudor Raocow is a beastly he doesn't need rewinds :D

[lordofnightmares]

SMWCP = I hae had 6 gameovers so far. And I am not done with the game.

ASMT = I got my only game over when fighting King Charles.

I am not good at Mario-style platformers.

[markyjoe1990]

Huh...? The Hyper V title gimmick? Why so?

[Citreth]

I definitely feel bad for you anytime you get frustrated with a Mario hack, especially since it doesn't seem to happen often. :(

[enigma191]

All that level need was wind...

[NeverForgetWizet]

@enigma191 Are you kidding? >_> It needed ice physics as well!

[justaguy12345]

The timer section was absolutely ridiculous. It was basically designed for save states, and that makes me sad. It was like a forced TAS just about.

The rest of the level was pretty alright though!

[Virus610]

@justaguy12345 It's been said a lot of times that the levels are required to be completable without save states to be submitted. rao went on record himself to point that out.

Each level is an ordeal, but it's a survivable one. Keep in mind he's not taking advantage of the purchasable items and his surplus of cash. It's a last resort that usually makes things considerably easier if it has to be used.

[ShimaHonnou]

"Oh hey, poison gas. That's a fun gimmick, right? They had it in those there VIP games, people seemed to like those. We should rip it off for this collab hack."

[ssandman007]

that sky section needs more wind

[wolfoftime8113]

WHO DARES TO TRY AND STOP THE TIME BOMB

[NixonRichardNixon]

The level didn't look that bad, honestly. But I think the time gimmick would have worked better with a more horizontal level layout.

[weplaysoccer247]

Raocow, this level may not love you.. but I along with all of your fans sure do :)

[SenseiLeRoof]

Yeah. The whole low-but-resettable-time thing is fake difficulty.

And the long hole to nowhere? Was such a tight jump really necessary?

[masic88]

:-D

(i totally get the title of this video.

l.o.l.)

you should consider yourself lucky you found that "alternate path," too, rao.

(although i wonder about what the rest of "normal" path looks like.)

maybe it would not have been so horrible if the time limit was 22- or 25-seconds?

[mechamind90]

I guess the Hyper V title reference is appropriate for this scenario.

[Findeco]

Transcribing raocow to make subtiltles sounds is quite funny "mail to fall off the mortal rental ought to be done" at 11:07

[ReconUnit415]

@Findeco Ride the wind up, Brown. Yes, drexel repairs are no easy.

[rivalnightmare]

When you get to the Final (special world) boss you will not be happy to do a savestate less run.

[PetitAmiral]

5:54 en plus y a des culs de sac, excellent!

[heavyarms55]

This level is absurd, this is a level meant for save states.

[SBTheWriter]

Wow. Just wow. I probably couldn't make a hack to save my life, but I know plenty about dialogue, and whoever wrote the dialogue for this one is AWFUL.

[chaoticsxxjd]

Hey Raocow, for a level like this i'd hate to say it but maybe you should re-introduce your 3 strike rule for save states. Ive gone back to your older vids, and i remember when you said if a level was just giving you too much trouble you would use them. I am pretty sure that this level had a million strikes against it. Awesome vid as always tho.

[MidoriFan10]

It always makes me sad to see Raocow angry.

[Sum1stio]

Raocow is just the type of person that just fucks up royally when he's pressured or panicking. Once you've figured out the layout, the level is merciful. Especially with the time.

[TheRealZindo]

Whenever raocow resorts to roman numerals in the title yknow it's going to be bad

[vanidence]

Hm. I know you're not too keen on using SaveStates etc raocow, but I feel like if the game is being a bit too unfair in some areas and you literally need HOURS to get some progress, it would be very legit, IMO. Just saying / suggesting. o.oa

[TheJCSmith10]

this level looks horrible

[veba3108]

The shuy guys are the worst "custom" enemy i have ever seen in a hack, you NEVER know if jumping on them are gonna hurt you or not and it's so fucking annoying.

[SmashDaisaku]

This is not a very good level.

It also belies the things the heads at SMWC tend to say about their desired difficulty. I'm wondering just what exactly their target audience was with this (besides themselves).

[crackaasscracka]

I fucking hate this level immediately. I would've busted out an infinite time code the second I saw that

[mynameismyown]

The white spikes on the white/light blue background make me fucking rage. You have to be blind jumping constantly to keep up with the timer, and it's almost impossible to see them coming.

[MuffinsAPlenty]

It seems that the problem with collaboration hacks is that everyone wants their level to stand out, so they all make their levels ridiculous. That's why SMWCP is so difficult and seemingly randomly pieced together. Everyone has maybe one or two shots to make themselves stand out, so they put EVERY trick they have into one or two levels.

[lmpoi2]

Wow raocow why are u saying words!!!!

[BethlehemBrothersLPs]

I recognize the background from Bubsy II.

[teh1337storm]

I partly agree, ASMT, the level in world 2 "A fear of not seen" or something like tha t was just about the hardest level of anything i have ever played. and I've played kaizo.

[Phandiw]

Pretty great music

Pretty awesome grapchis

Pretty terrible time limit gimmick.

*sighs*

Can't win 'em all, right?

[Phandiw]

I mean seriously though. I was going to let it rest there, but this sort of thing seems to require a little more talking about:

WHO OR WHAT thought that would be a good idea, and WHY?

Sure, difficulty is cool, but with a time limit so unreasonable in a stage that you've never seen before, with hazards that do tend to make you wait around a bit unless you tackle them just right (Knowing they're there helps with that part) you HAVE to die until you figure it out.

[Phandiw]

Could have been a great deal more reasonable with checkpoints after ever mad sprint, even. Still wouldn't have seemed particularly fun to me, but at least "Reasonable", y'know? I've never even visited the SMWC, but I always got the impression that they FROWNED on unreasonable difficulty.

AND EVEN UNREASONABLE DIFFICULTY can be all right if it's amusing as hell or cute or something.

Like a sudden instakill giant bullet bill made of lava, I guess. Maybe. (Or not.) But this? Just Why?

[Sum1stio]

@Phandiw Trial and error. Have you heard of it?

[Phandiw]

Of course I've god damned well heard of trial and error. Refer to the question asked: Who the DEVIL thinks it's a good idea to have it, in this form, in this hack, for the purpose of anything resembling fun.

And furthermore, how do they arrive at such a terrible conclusion.

[Nemesis986]

I got Tempestuous as a word in a spelling bee and got it wrong....*Sad*

[Bellolsom]

SNIPER BATS

[Fawriel]

Man, those lovely graphics and music are kinda wasted on such a cruel level.

[arnpoly]

Haven't watched the video or the LP yet, since I'm trying to finish this for myself first, but I was playing this level just last night and I couldn't even get past the first timed part. I probably died 30-40 times before just giving up for the night.

[d2andonlygps]

Thumbs up for being polite? PLEASE!!!!!

[jordanliow]

@d2andonlygps No.

[FonMasterIon]

See, the time thiong is a good gimmick, but it's handled so poorly!

- No "rest" point in the second part. It closes off the start specifically so you can't just wait there to catch your bearings

- In an area so starved for time, placing spikes at the bottom of walls players will hug? Dick move. It's a cheap death generator, no excuses.

- Why does Mario die in 20 seconds? Why do those panels save him? A cold so terrible he can't survive? Fine, the time is heaters. But this was... pointless.

[LeodSMW]

I got so horny when you were moaning at 5:51

[avckubw938v1bnvowiqv]

@raocow in 3rd part of this level is a secret

[eckrdz]

I thought this level was insane too, but mostly because of those glitchy Shy Guys that you didn't seem to have that much trouble with.

I can't even blame the level creator for that, it's whoever designed those damned things.

[MrDeePay]

@eckrdz

Then you would blame Imamelia (who also did Wild Wet Castle, a level several people consider to be one of the worst levels in the entire game).

Though honestly, I would've replaced the Guy Guys in this level with something completely different.

[AndyRichterLUE]

This hack is complete garbage.

Collab hacks never work.

[went22]

The couple of "leaps of faith" where you can't see if there is anything under you and it turns out that there isn't even though the level suggests the opposite were a wonderful touch, i must say.

[Shika511]

Raocow, as much as I enjoy your save-state-less videos more, if a level is going to take you an hour and a half I would rather see you use save states, at least to give yourself checkpoints.

[Virus610]

This level would've been reasonable if not for the broken shyguys. As you can clearly see right near the start of the video, rao lands squarely on top of one and still takes a hit.

The level itself, while challenging, is quite doable, but nothing is more frustrating than being killed because of a terribly coded enemy. I'm actually pretty upset that the shyguys made it into SMWCP, and I hate to break it to you rao, but you're going to deal with 'em again in world 7.

[CosmoFishhawk55]

Good work persevering and turning things around like that, man!

[Yashstei]

Where can I get this rom? Thanks

[ColonelRashid]

You're right, Raocow. This is harder than ASMT. I can't believe the bias. ¬_¬

[iDelanex]

I hate time gimmicks, makes no sense.

[UltimaShadow7]

Raocow sounded like Bob Dylan at 12:03

[xilin1983]

Wow this level was ridiculous!! And I used to complain about What the Hell XD

[spacemarshmallow]

when i saw the title, i knew you were going to say something about hyper v in the tags

[screamingmeowth]

Pretty sure this level is worse than Poison Gas from back in the day, and that is saying something.

[jackofspadesman]

I've never heard you angry man. It made me scared and sad D:

[Nixitur]

Wasn't there a level similar to this in one of the VIPs? Not the poison cloud one, but I THINK there was one where you had to hit switches to reset the time to 10 seconds or so. And there was also the one with the glowing background that makes you invincible whenever something is moving in it.

And now this. All these levels are extremely unfair.

[jordanleffl]

Wow, that gimmick was totally unnecessary for that level. Too bad though, rest of it was pretty.

[Unertragbar]

PLAY WITH SAVESTATES! PLEASE!

[RubiksMagician]

@Unertragbar He won't, trust me...

[Jolpengammler]

Its Waaaay to hard and the admins and people from smwc always say "levels that are hard enough, but easy enough to be challenging"but this is just way too hard and isn't fun anymore ...

[SonicShadowPSF]

@Jolpengammler

Did you actually play the level? It isn't that bad.

[Zemed87]

This was a neat concept. However, I think that the gimmick part of the level would have been much better for a game suited for something more fast paced, like Super Meat Boy

[xNexy]

So many ways to die in 20 seconds ~

[SupahMunch]

I like the time trial like concept. But it'd be ten times better if the difficulty was tuned down to a more reasonable level.

[MrStaffy3]

@raocow Roman Numerals FTW

[Bowserian]

Haha, Hyper V :P