SSBM Ken (Marth) vs BombSoldier (Falco) JGT Finals One

[MatticusJT]

So what ever happened to ken? We need to contact him and bring him to apex

[IWeelo]

This is the only way a low quality video can be good.

[TheRealBoof]

So i think Ken was jsut fooling around lol. He killed himself (basically) twice with random counters xD

[Azoruk]

1:14 biggest mistake by ken.

[l3g10nw]

@Azoruk yea, he should have just stayed there, hanging.

[OrangeKyle91]

Dang...I was hoping Marth would win. I hate the space animals and the people who play as them.

[juiey2]

ken, you could have gotten the forward smash

[supersmashdylan]

Why are so many of these videos just Falco vs Marth?

[JDKryptiC]

@supersmashdylan

because Falco And Marth are The Best Characters. Ive used falco forever and started realizing back then when i was younger he had way to many good moves just like marths Air Moves. i think i have like 80%of these guys skill player since 02. but then again i dont practice for tournaments either. its not even the fact that they are top tier that most people use them, you can even feel the Bad ass-ness to know they are rape=]

[Henrikswanstrom]

@JDKryptiC Fox, Jigglypuff, Shiek, Captain Falcon, Peach and Ganon are also extremely good characters.

[JDKryptiC]

@Henrikswanstrom

very.

[Henrikswanstrom]

@JDKryptiC Hell may even throw in Samus for the sake of it since Plup is starting rape some serious asses with his Samus. Its usually more about the player and less the character when you play. However al characters have their small things which makes them high in tier.

Fox has his shine, grab and vertical killing potential, falco lasers, shine and combos, Marth his grab and spacing/range, captain falcon his knees and combos, Ganon his Power, Shiek her needles and aerials, jigs her bair and rest

[FER1PMD]

I am probably 75% of their level, and i am good.

[jamesdante1101]

Whoever said falco sucks is an idiot. He's literally the best spiker in the game. I guess falcon comes a close second.

[SilverStarMeTa]

impreesive falco but marth are good, i dont know how a noob cant use good



[deadman153]

Every time I watch Ken face Bombsoldier, I need to change my pants.

[mrgoodfight14]

@deadman153 thats what melee does to you

[llyodaurion]

bombsoldier is to falco what ken was to marth

[CriminalIntent89]

that falco sucks all he does is spam laser

[TRLahti]

@CriminalIntent89 Umad scrub?

[dudedan53]

@CriminalIntent89 if he sucks so much post a video reponse or shut up

[kuritan]

im sure his mom was proud of him.

[rayb9281]

rape begins at 2:10 .. lol

[sivret20]

0:22 is that marth's back tilt? how is it so powerful it never is when i use it

[rikzz0r]

@sivret20 the tip of the sword gives it extra knockback and thus a kill.

[pureland2015]

Remember watching these in 2008... This shit got me into melee

[DWiens421]

Last stock... the business. Wow.

[NickXLRG]

who recorded these matches originally?

[Mrskild1]

that falco cant c my LUIGUIan that marth 

[ystein3000]

fuck whoever says that SSBM can't be played hardcore! this was some crazy shit :p

[itsinbumnigga]

falco and marth are badass characters

[ScizorTheOverlord]

Did no one see this? This part Rawks!!! 2:07

[LooseStringsRfun]

im going to college next fall and i love mele. only plroblem is i feel like most people in college would be playing brawl. do you guys have any imput on this? should i practice mele or brawl?

[ScizorTheOverlord]

@LooseStringsRfun both

[zacthebunnyhero]

@LooseStringsRfun

I'd say brawl. Of course that doesn't mean that you and your buddies can't play melee once in a while too

[cnacm]

@LooseStringsRfun i say do more melee..if they are truly competitive they will play melee..and if not den you can just switch to melee..but u dont wana go to melee after getting used to brawl because u will get killed...its better to go from melee to brawl den brawl to melee...

[TRLahti]

@LooseStringsRfun Brawl sucks...

[psncrash222]

hahahaha get trashed ken.

[jounynFM]

@psncrash222 Lol why do people hate ken?

[jounynFM]

@psncrash222 Not hate but eh. I think it's because he was considered the "Best" so people like to see him lose

[afroliciousification]

@jounynFM Not so much that, as it is people envy the best. When youre the best people think youre invincible and when you do lose the reality comes down on people and they cant understand so they h8 you for it. Ken still is the best, let me see any1 in this room do better.

[MscArbok]

melee fucking sucks

[MscArbok]

melle fucking sucks

[pyrofire909]

Bombsoldier rapes sooooooooooooooooooooooooo hard. o_o

[Devourer09]

@pyrofire909 Just like how your dad rapes you? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH! You just got punk'D!!! loljk

[Ghost3118]

SIIIICK combo at the end man

[MithosFall]

And this is why Falco is OP in Melee.

[rookman64]

Learn to read? Nigger I'm Ivy League...n fuck u too

[bobywade517]

Fuck marth, ken is cheap as hell with marth, his smash attacks can kill you with only like 50 damage. Bullshit and he still lost, the best player in the world is isai, isai doesn't even try if he did he would rape so bad that he would get 911 called on him.

[SmashSpencer]

@bobywade517 Do you not know anything about Mango at all or something? LOL

[bobywade517]

@SmashSpencer What? Never ever talk again

[Sheepmanjaro]

@bobywade517 yeahh... no.

[BonJoviFanboy]

@bobywade517 Isai is the biggest tryhard ever in SSB64. He does rape so hard and 911 probably should be called on him.

[Dude10256]

Melee=Brawl to me. I both like and dislike certain things about both.

[cluelessbtd]

@Dude10256 no you don't

[Dadarkside43v3r]

Its fun compare the skill difference between players back then and now. It shows how long the community has been playing melee.

[partytimeisover2]

?? i would get my ass kicked in that tournament

[xaznimpulse]

omfg. .that last combo g_G

[XboXFTW1]

Sound sync is off.

[NNHSwag]

Loving the Combos for Falco.. glad to see that someone actually knows how to use him like i do ;)

[rookman64]

@NNHSwag ur nothing compared to bombsoldier...don't flatter urself

[NNHSwag]

@rookman64 who said you can comment me when you've never seen me play. im just saying the moves i use are similar to his that doesnt mean im saying im better. chill out with that flame.

[captainobvious55]

@rookman64 ever seen NNHSwag play? didn't think so, there are alot of people that just play this game at home and don't enter tournaments that have way more potential then some pro players. try not being such a close minded ass hole.

[rookman64]

@captainobvious55 hey dumbass the reason why pros are bound to beat any stay-at-home amateur is because of competitive experience...you're never going to be the best or even really good until you compete....beating the shit out of your friends doesn't improve your game at all...sure this guy might have some tech skill but so what? In the end, the good players are the ones who come out to compete...fuck that stupid potential shit you mentioned

[rookman64]

@NNHSwag show some respect man this guy created falco's metagame

[Strongbad338guy]

@rookman64 pc chris did nothing!

nothing I tell you!

ps. falco was doing these combos in '04

[rookman64]

@Strongbad338guy did he not take out Ken? Are you really going to say he did nothing? Shut the fuck up, seriously

[Strongbad338guy]

@rookman64 It as sarcasm.... since you said Bombsoldier invented Falco's metagame..... learn to read.

[NNHSwag]

@rookman64 I humbly show respect to all players whether they exceed my skill or are melee challenged. Bomb has presumably attended more tournaments than i so I'm not obligated to insult or compare my skill to his. I just feel I have enough potential to go a versus match with him since he uses a similar style with falco that i recognized as my own strategy. Agreed with Captainobvious, many who play at home indeed have the same if not better potential than those who participate in paid tournaments

[LushLahti]

@NNHSwag You do know this was 4 years ago right?

[NNHSwag]

@LushLahti Yes, lol I do.

[RenoKb]

@NNHSwag Most "home players" think they can determine a player's skill level from a youtube video, and come to the same conclusion you have about their potential. After attending a tourney with swf players they usually come out humbled.

The real skills that come out of tourney play are matchup experience and the ability to read/adapt (and control, pressure, etc) your opponent. These things you cannot regularly practice in your parents' basement or gauge from a youtube video.

[NNHSwag]

@RenoKb I applaud your Thesis Reno, welly stated and welly put. But the fact of the matter is that NO home player has the ability to "gauge a youtube video" and pick up that select players skill, or experience. No-one. I myself have attended only a few downtown tournaments, but would it be a crime to take time and hone those skills at home and perfect them? Or compare your style of play, and timing to those of youtube fame? No. In short, Tournament = Basketball court. Home = The locker-room.

[SmashSpencer]

@rookman64 No he didn't LOL.

[skad4]

Melee > regular > brawl. wtf nintendo, ruined a great game series

[awsomecrossing]

@skad4 I will only agree if you think PC>Mac

[captainobvious55]

@skad4 i agree 100%

[relyanddefy]

0:09 why dusnt falco just use a down and a to get out of the chainthrow?

[horizontal]

@relyanddefy hitstun

[relyanddefy]

@horizontal whenever i chain throw ppl with marth they just down a me!

[flame6753]

@relyanddefy it doesn't work that way

[Matricide666]

theyre playing on lightning mode :O

[cnsmile]

how are they moving so fast? I cant seem to do it no matter how much i try. lol

[rbrtchng]

it's called wavedashing. where you jump, but right before the jump animation starts (when your character crouches down a little), do a downward dodge in the direction that you want to travel. It takes a lot of practice.

[MargaretSanger]

Watch wak's advanced tutorial videos and make sure to practice the parts on shffling and wavedashing.

[joshpat9]

this sounds interesting ._.

what's wak's channel name?

[yata71289]

wave dashing and L cancels my friend

[AceOfHearts65]

marth is like ken's barbie

[RadioheadFan4E]

well that doesnt look like ken at all.

[phexi111]

bombsoldier's DI is so incredeble bad.

He is nontheless a fantastic player.

[ASH062]

lol my 2 favorite and strongest fighters in ssbm and ssbb

[cometcrash]

damn ken got worked on that last stock

[felipex08]

son super secos los wns de vrdad

k la cagaron

yo cacho k si vinieran a chile

les volaria la raja a todos xDD

[Mattpwnslevel70s]

i love the way Bombsoldier plays.

[formatman23]

lol ....well this is ironic

[aznseal]

Ken is a LOT better than most modern smashers not because of his current state but his potential. I don't think any other smasher has the same learning curve as Ken.

Bombsoldier just has no mindgames.

[DiamondBackBrawlers]

yea but bombs jus did work son

[ceberusbotcatcher]

Retitle this "Bombsoldier combo video"

Did you see that last combo? Holy shit

[NumeralAA]

do they play on lightening?

[phexi111]

no these are so called advanced techniques.

techniques already included in the game, that fasten up you character!

Short Hops instead of full jumps

all aerials are Fastfalled

and they use L cancel.

also Wavedash, Dashdance etc.

This is what makes them look so fast

[caeksauce8]

well said

[M2SWEDEN]

@phexi111

Hey bro, could you please tell me what "cancel" does. I don't get that part.

[phexi111]

@M2SWEDEN

Here, have a look :)

watch?v=4n4s5yB7ZkE

[M2SWEDEN]

@phexi111

Oh I see, thanks man.

[FER1044]

is ken is the best in the smash

o is other?

[phexi111]

ken used to be the best. he retired.

mango his the best in the world by now, probably.

maybe armada?

[TaterSalad0811]

lulz, tourney 'tards in action

[Aronia55]

I know I shouldn't compare the two but if you look at this, and then you look at m2k vs shizwiz, Ken an BS look like a bunch of scrubs.

Just shows how far melee has come.

[PlayingIsFun]

Bombsoldier is my fav because of his combos :)

[DarkChroniam]

I like how falco's lasers connected well with his attacks. Well done.

[NejiWannabe]

I thought Ken had it, but when he wasted that second stock, he just went to pieces. >.>

[kiragumanyara]

last life =s rape

[TheQerb]

i wish ken just sat on the edge at 1:14 it wouldve been an easy gimp

[jokeyyou]

@TheQerb he just wanted to show off and spike him, unfortunately it didnt work.......

[rayb9281]

@TheQerb falco's u+b would've hit him since the ledge invincibility was almost gone

[happalo2]

eh.. I personnaly thought ken would be better. link can pull some devestating combos

[GreatMaster7]

It took 2 matches for Ken to adapt. Also, Falco has a huge advantage over this stage because there's no projectiles for Marth.

[deBarnik]

FD is a Marth CP against Falco due to his ChainGrab... Lazors are not a problem at all..

[Tethros]

Easily negated by Marth's ability to execute perfect chaingrabs on this level.

[whatacoinkidink]

Holy johns

[blackfox51]

Ken got a little greedy when he lost that second stock

but BS is badass shit haha

[Sneek88]

This set is why I main falco

[HayabusaNoTsuchi]

Ken losing made me sad.

[ceberusbotcatcher]

They're moving faster than sound.

[1arr0w]

sound is moving faster than them.*

[MehTahNite]

the beast was unleashed on the last stock

[thebrin123456789]

o-death on last stock o.o

[babybombermon]

fuck i felt like a nerd typing that, lmao.

1st time in my life i every typed like dat.

[babybombermon]

this is why Melee > Brawl.

[mikechis101]

What is "this"? I'd like to know your reasoning for why an aspect of a game proves that it is better then a completely different game that has completely different aspects to it's own game play.

[babybombermon]

Well to me, i think Melee is more competitive, More combo-wise, and takes a lot of skill to control your character properly. more fighting tactic, Although in brawl i think the character balance is more fair. (Not including Meta Knight he is O.P)

not saying the game play is better, Just the Thrill of the battle. In brawl, i think it requires less skills. But requires good Timing and strategy. not really combo-wise moves just mostly 1hit moves. and it is wat easier 2 get back on platform.

[mikechis101]

I appreciate how you answered with no flaming or anything of the such. I can respect your answer fully as you said your preference was towards melee, while others would have said melee is just plain out better. Where I live, no one playes brawl or melee, so because of brawls online feature, no matter how crappy it is, I play brawl so I can feel the competitive nature of the game, and not just have to 3 stock cpu's all day. Overall though, melee does have a better competitive gameplay than brawl.

[secretagentarkane]

wow the first person to not diss melee or brawl while explaining the to diffrences lmao

[babybombermon]

:) i feel special

[rakaboveall]

ken king of smash

[5hruglife]

Ken just got owned from what I saw...

[KanameKuran13]

U got that right, Bombsoldier is the shit!

[roflcoptertodamax]

no, Shiz is da shit!

[Sveet]

i think its funny when people complain about chain grab. OMG THEY ARE PUT UP TO 35% OHNOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if you want to complain about something, complain about fox's uthrow uair. inescapable (besides SDI) and is basically instant 50-60%

or complain about falco's combos, which after the first shine pretty much lead to 60% or death.

ken played very skillfully with his combos and control.

[BloodClotsBlack]

You can chain grab Falco from stand still till about 30% from which Falco's DI could potentially force you to dash in either direction for the next grab making it significantly more difficult. Plus it's not like Marth is a difficult character to shield pressure, the only set chain grabs ken got off in this match started because BombSoldier tried to laser approach.

[supabeast23]

@BloodClotsBlack what?

[ssbmStasis]

@BloodClotsBlack CG vs Falco works standing still to 15% with forward DI, 25% no DI and 30% backwards DI. After those %s you need to move to regrab. Anyways back in '06 you see Falcos getting CGed to like 50% lol nowadays people jump or do an aerial out of lag or shine with no DI on the throw, so you don't really see anyone CGing to high percents on grabs alone (utilt/uair use). Normally fsmash is good around 50-80% depending on the opponent's DI to get Falco offstage, or tipper for the KO.

[RadicallyDreaming]

@ssbmStasis Tipper at 60% doesn't even knock Falco off the stage if they DI correctly, and will only knock them off the stage, not KO, at 70-80%.

[ssbmStasis]

@RadicallyDreaming Well that's also stage and position dependent and I was being optimistic about the opponent having bad DI. But yeah what you said is more accurate.

[RadicallyDreaming]

@ssbmStasis Position doesn't account for much actually, since part of good DI on the part of the space animals is to DI the uthrow in the direction with more stage, and then DI the fsmash up and in. Ironically, the worst position is dead center of the stage.

[ssbmStasis]

@RadicallyDreaming Well like I said before, not everyone will DI correctly. But yeah I understand what you're saying and you're probably more knowledgeable in this than I am anyways lol.

[RadicallyDreaming]

After all these years, it's hilarious how many idiots have complained about Ken's play in these videos while praising Bombsoldier.

The biggest irony is the fact that Marth's chaingrabs are infinitely harder than anything Bombsoldier did in this entire set.

[Saluta]

lol @ complaining about chaingrabs no johns

[BloodyHowlingX]

lol I bet you can't chain grab BS

[HotActionProductions]

no im not pro enough to spam one move and make an infinite combo.

[BloodyHowlingX]

Infinite combo? I don't think so. Bombsoldier could have DI'ed out of it at any point, or counterpicked a stage where chaingrabbing would be harder. But guess what? He didn't. It's Ken's ability to predict and react to where Bombsoldier DI'ed that makes him a good player.

[HotActionProductions]

so with DI you choose a direction to move in after being thrown? how does ken predict which direction he will choose? let me guess, mindgames right?

[BloodyHowlingX]

More of years of experience and a fast reaction.

[HotActionProductions]

is 0:06 - 0:12 an example of falco trying to DI left and right? it looks kind of slow, i dont see how he has a chance of escaping with that.

[BloodyHowlingX]

For a lot of normal to above average players, that would usually be enough, but like I said, Ken can predict where BS is going and he has a fast reaction time as well.

[HotActionProductions]

I think its just because he has a fast reaction time. predicting left or right sounds like random luck, i dont see how you could do that consistently.

its about the same as flipping a coin.

[Marshallftw]

because human behavoir is random right? just like flipping coins. thats why tech chasing doesn't exist either.

in any case, this should all be dropped. comparing chaingrabbing and autocombos in a three year old match is a bit silly.

[HotActionProductions]

in a choice of left or right, yes it is random.

no one would put thought or use a pattern in such a thing. its like rock paper scissors, complete luck. tech chasing, if based on prediction, is also luck. there is absolutely no way to tell if someone will go left or right, that is entirely based on them to decide. to say otherwise is to say that human beings have no free will and you can read minds perfectly.

[Marshallftw]

oh it's all clear now to me. humans act entirely randomly! that's why no one person is better at reading a persons actions in smash! players dont have patterns (concious, unconcious), preferrences, situationally based decisions and/or make decisions based off of past experience! at the same time I am confused. have you ever played any sport, or game well at all in competetive way?

[HotActionProductions]

Tell me why someone would have a preferrence, or a situational based decision, when its a choice of left or right.

And then tell me how its possible to know every single move your opponent will make for a fact, without any luck or guessing involved.

And about decisions based off of past experience, that doesn't apply to this at all. Say I went left and and still got grabbed, does that mean I will go right next time? No, in fact, it doesn't guarantee anything. I still have free will.

[HotActionProductions]

oh it's all clear now to me. its possible for you to forsee every single move your opponent will make, even a choice of left or right. Which way would I go? I'll make it even easier for you, I went right last time and got away, but I like left more.

[bassk1000o]

how long have you been playin ssbm?

[HotActionProductions]

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Since I can't possibly be choosing at random, there must be a pattern here. Tell me what I'll do next.

[Apotheosis275]

Nope, it's not hard at all to chain grab falco, and you can easily see where he DIs on reaction, not prediction. But in a tournament you play to win, so you do whatever you can to win the money. That's what makes it exciting: They give it their ALL, no holding back. It's a meritocracy. It's not about who is the "most skilled" in anyone's warped opinion. In a serious tournament match, the better player is the one who wins, period. Any so-called randomness is covered by playing 2/3 or 3/5.

[HotActionProductions]

I wasn't about to believe he psychically predicted the DI every time, so yeah, it must be reaction.

[SteGuitar7]

Damn man, gotta watch out for BombSoldier if he's really that good.

[ShadowZangetsu82]

Wow..he 2 stocked the best smasher in the world

[HotActionProductions]

every fucking mlg video is the same grabgrabgrabgrabgrabgrabgrab bullshit.

its no fucking skill at all and is obviously overpowered, pros shouldnt even allow this shit.

mlg sucks ass.

[Bpoang]

Playing these kind of games acutally takes more skill than you think i bet you are not good at anything your self just not at sports nor games so STFU

[HotActionProductions]

youre a complete dumbass

i know this game takes skill, but not if you just spam chain grabs, which i dont, so fuck you.