HMS Duke of York vs Bc Gneisenau, Scharhorst

[TheSDB13]

What game is this

[THISISNOTING]

nice ;)



[RCMP793]

Can you still play this say in WIN 7?

[SpiderRider3]

@RCMP793 you can try. it doesn't always work.

[MrHistorian123]

KGV had a 14.7 inch belt which would be impervious to 11 inch shell fire; indeed it was designed to defeat even 16 inch shells at most battle ranges.

Gneisenau and Scharnhorst would have had no chance at all against her; they would use their 2 knot speed advantage to run away. They ran away from Renown during the Norwegian campaign and Renown was far less powerful than KGV; two 11 inch hits did little damage to her but she hit Gneisenau hard.

In short, this simulation is farcical.

[mgb67dk]

@MrHistorian123

Hmmm. I think that you look at the barrel diameter alone. The German 11" was effictive aginst the French Dunkerque class with armored belt 225-283 mm, and barbettes of 310-340 mm

The German 11" had a high velocity barrel length of impressing 54,5 calibers and a granate velocity of 890 m/sec with a reload every 17 sec, where as the British 14" only had 45 calibers length, and 730 m/sec with 2 reloads/min which made it only sligthly better than the older British 14"/45 of ww1.

[boleynali]

idiotic. you,ve got a tribal class destroyer trading blows with a couple of battlecruisers.doy would have sunk one and the other would have ran. as navghtivs says they would never have fought a battleship.

[edtrine]

We are talking about the same two ships that were driven away from a convoy by fire from one of the old "R" class battleships? I Don't recall for sure but for some reason the HMS Resolution comes to mind?

[Athrun1993817Ayanami]

Not Bad.

[Artas1984]

Actually Sharnhorst had a greater range than King George 5.

It's 11 inch guns fired a broadside of 3 tons at maximum range of 40 km, while KG5 fired a broadside of 7,2 tons at maximum range of 38 km.

This extreme range was checked in reality when Sharnhorst sunk an Aircraft Carrier from 40 km distance, as you all know

[gust0o]

@Artas1984 It didn't sink Glorious at that range - it achieved a hit, and the range is quoted as being c. 26,000 yards; about the same range at which Warspite hit Giulio Cesare in the Med. You're probably quite right on the extra range, but the old ships just didn't engage at those extremes - they'd look to close up, and in doing so the weight of fire from a KG5 would be telling, if accurate.

[DesB3rd3]

Rather one sided...

DoY is comfortable overmatch to one of the twins but not two.

Where's the radar? DoY had Scharnhorst pinged at 40,000+yds in appalling conditions, what's occured here?

[ramjb]

Battle start too close ranged. What was, like 5km?. At those ranges it's inevitable that 18 faster firing guns will maul 10 slower firing ones.

Give DoY a starting distance of 20-25km, and see the germans flee or die.

[SvenTviking]

Oh fuck, another idiot refighting WW2 on his computer. ELEVEN INCH GUNS AGAINST FOURTEEN INCH? They would have run, like they did against Renown. And stop turning off the British radar.

[cleoxxxooo]

Duke of York would prob. have sunk 'em both.

Ist Scharnhorst gesunken?

[chutoi26]

Schcarnhorst and Gneisenau were pretty tuff against convoys, unarmed merchantmen and an occasional destroyer.

Like all the other german raiders though they were not equipped armed or designed to go up against real battleships.

why did they skulk in fjiords (Tirpitz) and ..scuttle themselves (Graf Spee). otherwise. They might have been well designed and armed...hey..a punk with a knife has a good knife..he's still going to run away if you pull out a gun.

[DeathbyPianos]

The thing about these videos and stuff is that its a game.... its AI VS AI with ships that look like real ships... The advantage would have to go to the Scharhorst and the Gneisenau because they were faster and they have 8 more main guns... now yes they were 11"ers but getting hit by a 7 year old after a while hurts.... especally if you get hit in the same place, If the 14" guns are diabled then the KMS could throw spitwads at it if they wanted to, until it sank....

[wilmanric1]

@DeathbyPianos Interesting points, but inability to penetrate any vital areas is a huge disadvantage.... I doubt Sch could silence a KGV's guns without taking crippling damage.

And when the Duke of York fought Scharnhorst (one of my favourite ships, BTW) it was Scharnhorst who sank. Certainly, the Duck of Yuck got a lucky hit to Sch's radar early on, but it was Sch who lost speed from hits and eventually was sunk.

[wilmanric1]

Just one question: Which ship is destroying the Duke of York, cuz it sure wouldn't be either of the ships in this game, not with their 11" guns. The KGV class were designed to withstand hits from 16" shells. This game has some real problems. It seems to favour German and US ships over all others.

[mcmantry]

@wilmanric1 What ever, I play bizmark vs hood in the game many time and hood survived

[bondophobic]

man i remember this game! i think i still have the cd.

[debramster123]

does anyone else get a headache if u concentrate on the ships moving over the not moving sea?

[Toria8796]

Its gonna have to sink some time :p 6:59

[xazoulini1]

i am trying to do something similar to virtual sailor but with no success:/

[PotatoGunsRule]

You never see the larger ships sinking on this game on youtube.

[railsimdude]

That game is so old!!!!

[knoledol]

How have you made this it is very clever

[mcpwns]

I owned this game back then. Good fun.

[pawagnathom]

Hey I've got this game it's great but i have one problem. When i am playing is ok when about 10-15 min of playing i ve got a big lags and graphic bugs and i don't know how to fix it pls help

[YARROWS]

Royal Navy,Battle of Atlantic Won.Battle of Med Won all German Capital Ships sunk 80 percent of Uboats destroyed.Hitler had to beat Britain to win war.

[AOEStrategist]

I would like to think that if it weren't for the fact that the German Battlefleet was so spread out over the period of these 4-5 years of combat it would have been a much more successful force. Throw these two sister ships in with the latter Bismarck and Tirpitz along with some Luftwaffe hunt and kill tactics and the Royal Navy would have been in trouble.

[HuSSaR83]

Very unrealistic..They would have start shooting long time before that range...anyway 1 shell from king would wreak havoc on any of these German cruisers.

[navghtivs]

Gneisenau and Scharhorst were designed to be raiders, their advantage was in superior speed and long operation range, in reality they wouldn't even think about getting into a deathmatch with a KGV class battleship using their too small 11inch armament, they would just steam away full speed since a KGV was about 4 knots slower.

[Artas1984]

It is not because they were small!!! The 11 inch guns of Scharnhorst actually had a greater range and the same horizontal armor penetration capabilities as the 14 inch guns of KG5, due to their amazing 900 m/s muzzle velocity! Learn you facts!

It was because The Brits had some 20+ battleships and battlecruisers, while Germany had only 4!

[spargkpt]

Superior british fire control :))) That's a good one!

[caferacer56]

Rather fanciful I am afraid, Scharnhorst would have run away, Duke Of York was a tough battleship, in reality one hit on Scharnhorst severed a steam pipe DoY closed in and it was all over, the Scharnhorst was making top of the green at the time, radar and better UK technology in fire control did the rest

RIP Scharnhorst

[nyctasiaselesq]

Game is Fighting Steel - WWII Surface combat simulator. Graphics are keept at minimum, but is fairly powerfull as a simulator.

Preety bad for the brits to lose their main batery in the first salvoes.

[shutup735]

what game is tihs?

[helgisatanic]

so you been ther or what

[justforever96]

WTF? Virtual "Battleship"? Interesting....

[santaparty4]

u got windows 95?

[xSkopeZx]

Im sure your a very proud sailor. i think my computer feels very safe knowing your patroling the virtual sea.

[xSkopeZx]

THATS GAY TOTAL WASTE OF 10 MINS.

[Rommel107]

schlechte grafik

[lucius1976]

@Rommel107

Grafik ist immer relativ zu bewerten. Für 1998 war es sicher sehr gute Grafik.

[macbeasty]

theres some cheating going on here. it only takes 4 hits to sink a battleship and 3 hits to sink a destroyer those ships were hit more than the needed times.

[shutup735]

so theres some "battleship" game physics going on here :)

[paulphare]

In reality the battle was the other way round. Scharnhorst was destroyed and sunk, Duke of York was unscathed. "Barehands Bates" became a hero. I heard the story from my father who was in the battle, on HMS Jamaica, which was astern of Duke of York.

[MIKEWINSTON2009]

Quite right, DoY vs Scharnhorst no contest, especially after HMS Norfolk knocked out Scharnhorst radar. Gniesenau had reputation as a lucky ship...lucky not to be off North Cape Christmas 1943 for sure.

[ussmissouri63]

Even though the battlecruisers had less powerful armament than the Duke of york, the king george V class battleships always had severe malfunctions with their quad turrets because they were complicated to operate. I also believe they had the most number of guns mounted in one turret in the history of shipbuilding.

[dougstiro]

the French Dunkerque class had quad 13in turrets and the Richelieu class has quad 15in turrets. I think these were effectivly treated as 2 twins in the same turret though

[blueboy921]

FUCK YOU

[hoplite1766]

DOY was armored to receive 16" shell hits on vitals like turrets, does this game take that into account

[SethP666]

what game is this???

[Tommyknocker45]

Fighting Steel

[Highlanderswave83]

i wonder if this game still can be bougth or not any longer

[lassarride]

virtual sailor

[Jonnybooster]

Where can I buy this?

[VRichardsn]

Which game is this?

[f3hdemon]

Fighting steel . . . .a 1998 Pc game

[VRichardsn]

Thanks!

[shathriel]

the warspite has the record , proven by both sides , for a hit while in a gunnery duel at the longest range.

scharnhorsts claims are a modern rewriting with no real evidence at all to back it up.much the same has the drivel now being spouted that yamato has the record.

seems the internet is becoming very good for unproven disinformation.

[shathriel]

the german ships were based on WW1 battlecruisers and had inferior armour protection and firepower , the only advantage was speed over a modern battleship.

of course they could try splitting a battleships fire by attacking from 2 directions independently.

fact of the matter is the KGVs were armoured to withstand 16" guns and were designed with all the experience of ww1 in mind.

[inar64]

based on ww1 designs? not true, are you confuseing them with hood maybe?

they were in fact modern for their time (pre-iowa times)

[shathriel]

the scharnhorst and gneisenau of WW2 were based on WW1 designs that were never built but updated since the design teams lacked design experience.

[Darthyacob]

actualy the WW1 Sharnhorst and Gneisenau were armored cruisers of the East Asia squadron, its a testiment to there legacy that it took 2 battle cruisers, far more powerful ships, hours to sink them.

[JuergenGDB]

Well then explain why the Prince of Wales.. a KGV ship suffered from 8" Prinz Eugen hits and Bismark 15" gun hits? your data is incorrect just as is Wikipedia on Bismark.. the data on WIKI about the guns of Bismark are inacurate.. the Bismark had Long 15" barrel guns, that in fact were a little longer than the Brits.. and had the same punch practicaly as 16" guns. Bismark Had SUperior armor.. look at the end of Bismark as testimant. Torpedo hits, and over 230 14"-16" gun hits.

[elswick1542]

POW was hit 3 times by Bismarck,1 hit the base of a crane showering the boat deck with splinters,2 hit the compass platform failed to explode but killed most of the occupants,3 was found in dry dock after the battle unexploded in the TDS,4 hits from PE the most damaging caused a leak of about 500t of water",V E TARRANT KGV class battleships."from data in the public record office.

[JuergenGDB]

Well thats not all of it, one of her Turrets was put out of action, even though it probably did not see action because of the technical difficulties.. There are many sources... but I know the POW was hit more than 3 times.

[elswick1542]

POW had 5.25" turret disabled by an 8" shell,the aft quad by a drill error and 2 guns in the forward quad by mech an drill errors,7 hits in all,the 15" to bridge was the most damaging(kill the command you kill the ship)

[JuergenGDB]

I see you are also a military historian like myself.. I hold your points valid.. it does no good to try and dispute that both ships were very dangerous giving the right circumstances. Both brave.. it was sad that the POW.. and I believe the Repulse that were lost in the east due to air attack.. just another factor of why air supremacy is so crucial to every TOW.. Cheers mate.. next time you go to the pub.. have a guiness from tap for me.. they probably have it on tap where you live. Cheers.

[elswick1542]

Yes Guinness on draft and very good it is to,all the best.

[JuergenGDB]

Also The Prince of wales suffered from only 4 Torpedo hits, and Repulse 4-5 hits in quick succession albeit. Huge dents showed that a considerable number of the 14 inch (356 mm) shells fired by King George V bounced off the German belt armour not to mention all of the torpedo hits.. Bismark was still afloat.. so what ship is superior now?

[elswick1542]

Bismarck was hit 3 times by POW,hit 1 grazed the boat deck,hit 2 punched through the bow above the water line but below the bow wave causing a fairly large leak,hit 3 was in line with the bridge below the belt armour,pend the tds exploded damaging the bulkheads,2000t of water leaked in, the generator room flooded,later the forward boiler flooded,ship listed until a prop left the water,speed was reduced to about 26k,Baron Mullenheim Von Reichburg"highest ranking officer to survive"page 116.

[JuergenGDB]

Im not saying that POW is a bad ship by no means... however after... Following the sinking of Hood, Prince of Wales, with an inexperienced crew, and having received seven large-calibre hits, with most of her weaponry out of action due to malfunctions or damage, disengaged under cover of a smokescreen. because they were scared shitless of the Bismark.. Even had the POW been fully functional.. I believe the POW would have been suck in another 5minutes of action.. thus making the Bismark cont.

[JuergenGDB]

and the Prinze Eugen disengage all together and head to port via Norway, under submarine and Air Support. Even damaged, I still strongly beleive that had the POW not dissengaged she would have been sunk by Bismark, and torpedoes by Prinz Eugen. This would have been a majory Victory for the Kriegsmarine. by the way I had played out the scenerio with the game, and was victorius 3/5 times lol albeit it takes forever vs real life action.

[elswick1542]

You are almost certainly correct,POW was in no state to go 1 on 1 with Bismarck at this time if the ship was fully worked up fitted with centimetric radar and the type 284 gunnery set was fully developed (about nov 41) then the POW as a far better chance,but desperate times call for desperate measures.

[elswick1542]

Bismarck is a legendary ship and fought bravely against the odds in naval history's greatest last stand,but like all legends loads of myths surround the ship.

[elswick1542]

I have studied Battleships for over 30 years,have followed all the expeditions to Bismarck have books by Ballard Mearns and others,I have come across this huge dents statement a number of times but have studied every photo available of the wreck and only found small calibre none pen hits,the barbets and turrets are thicker than the belt and show full penetrations.

[elswick1542]

The number of hits on POW depends on the source material,if the crew are to be believed and I don't see why not then POW was hit by 6 torpedoes and a single 1100lb bomb,2 of torp hits did about 80% of the damage (shaft bracket/counterflooded compartment)the bomb failed to pen the deck but blasted the boiler uptakes,stopping the last boiler with no power the ship sank about 29min after the last hit(the bomb).

[elswick1542]

If you check out the number of claimed torpedo hits on Bismarck it comes to 8,3x18" 1x24.5" 4x21" but we know from the survivors that all 3 18" hit that the 24.5" did not hit and at least 1 21"(from the night action with the destroyers)did not hit,6 hits in all ,the 21" are far more powerful than the 18"(all hits on POW were 18")

[matdyl01]

wtf is this web sight what the fuckin hell is this websight?

[homerstar123]

PLZZZZZZZZZZZ SINK IT!

[BigChief427]

The duke of york took a real beating, Lost all of its guns early on, and had the unfortunant luck of being double-teamed by both german ships. They ignored that little dipshit destroyer altogether. Dude, make some more of these.

[xPureNRG007x]

Fighting Steel is an awesome game, old though. They have a patch that allows you to create any naval matchup on your own, and they loaded all conceivable ships, including Soviet Soyuz and Montana and Lion Classes. The website is like navalwargames org or similar.

[Peorhum]

I loved this game when it came out-used to set up battles true to the actually battles based on combat maps. This game had it faults-it was poor in the math a bit but i can't think of any game that has replaced it-wish a newer version would come out. I played out some battles where a greatly inferior ship would beat a superior-I am not sure how true the out come of this battle would be-my money would be on the Duke at near even odds-it would be a slug feast unless the duke hit a mag.

[Sartori]

Actually, in a scenario like this, it's best to bet on the side with more heavy ships. Duke of York of course is more than a match for one of the twins, but for both at the same time? No way, they have almost twice as many heavy guns as she does.

And calling the twins "battlecruisers" is a bit misleading. They had much better armor protection than British battlecruisers, getting their speed by having relatively light armament for their size.

[Peorhum]

I think unless torpedos were being used the duke likely could take on both of the "twins" as you call them with a good chance of winning but the superior speed of the battlecruisers (and they are battlecruisers even if they are better armoured then earlier ones) would allow the twins to disenage as they wish.

[Peorhum]

Remember the KGV class had pretty good armour that was designed to take hits from much heavier shells then 11" also their guns had great range for their time easily out distancing the earlier 16". That said the game shown doesn't reenact battle very well-the math in it could be better-cool game though

[Sartori]

I'd agree that the chance of a penetrating hit that would set off a magazine explosion would be quite low for 11" vs. DOY's armor. The chance of DOY actually sinking would be small, but getting her armament knocked out and upperworks devastated would be high when being double-teamed like this. Duke and Prince against the twins would be a more realistic fight (as the RN was very rarely outnumbered in a battle by the small Kriegsmarine). Also more fair, methinks.

[Sartori]

The usual distinction between a battleship and a battlecruiser is that BB's are armored enough to withstand their own armament, whilst battlecruisers are not. The Scharnhorsts are interesting because they were armored quite well enough to resist their own armament, as they got their insane speed through sacrificing firepower, not protection. The Germans had used this formula to great effect during the previous world war as well, but were outnumbered in both conflicts.

[richardphat]

hmm f3demon do you know what destroyer class escorted duke of york?

[aryarulesthisworld]

could someone please tell me what game this is please?

[pedrovcmarques]

«fighting steel» world war II surface combat 1939-42 by SSI

[aryarulesthisworld]

thx

[glennen7]

i live near where scharnhorst was sunk:D

[jmantime]

what game is this

[NathanOkun]

Graphics are OK. SCHARNHORST & GNEISENAU only had 11" guns--good, but small. It would have been difficult for them to damage DUKE OF YORK outside of superstructure, secondary guns, & bow & stern. The fire-control system in all of these ship was only very lightly protected (shell splinters), but all else of importance was behind thick armor. The S&G had good side (but not deck) armor for their size to stop hits from British 14" guns--they must balance range & shooting accuracy more carefully.

[sheppy1234567890]

rubbish

[lorri789]

Where can I download this with a crack?

[T3mpl3r4]

!!!Germany rules!!!

[hthtyun]

Absolut!English names(Hood,Duke of my Dick...) sound so UNCOOOOL!BUT German names(Scharnhorst,etc)and German Superior technology are soooo COOOOOL!!!!

[westhog]

you mean superior technology at the bottom of the ocean.

[PotatoGunsRule]

Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were planned to have their Lutzow 11 inch guns replaced by Bismarck type 15 inch but this never happened. Therefore they could never match a dreadnought class warship.

[elswick1542]

there was a battle in bad weather of norway in 1940 between these two and the bit hms renown,renown took 2 hits early on that did no signficant damage,genisenau then took 3 from renown that killed the aft turret and main fire control tower both german ships then ran for it into a storm,hms renown completed 1916!

[elswick1542]

at the battle of northcape 26th dec 1943 the duke of york picked up scharnhorst on its centimetric target indicator radar at 36000yds at 12000yds the scharnhorst was still unaware of the dukes presence at first brodside this killed both farward turrets,the scharn attempted to out run the duke at 32k but was hit in the boiler rooms at about 22000yds,estimated hits by doy 60+ on scharne,doy recived 1 in a mast.

[HUNDLEYGUY95]

did that first broadside knock out all of dukes guns

[CBAPirate]

I'm quite surprised WWII didn't end sooner...

[HUNDLEYGUY95]

dam,n, Duke of York took a beating, surprised she even made it out

[SenatusPopulesqueR]

In response to richrainbow,to the best of my knowledge the ranging stands thusly:

Tied for First (for longest range Ship to Ship Hit) HMS Warspite at the Battle of Calabria, and Scharnhorst, off the coast of norway, firing upon HMS Glorious,  Both at roughly 26,500 Yrds

At second: HMS Duke of York, at some 25,000 Yrds

No Idea about third

[LordButtercracks]

Fighting Steel was such a great and accurate naval warfare simulation.

Great stuff

How about showing us the Scharnhorst v the Hood?

[jayzee1980]

good fight. german seapower against unmodernistation british battleship. thats not fair.

[2771]

umm the KGV class battleships were the most modern brittish battle ships of ww2 only the Vangaurd was newer and she never saw any action. in fact the KGVs were newwer then the Scharnhorst class.

[CJDUBstang]

Dummy, the scharnhorsts and the bismarcks were inferior capital ships compared to KGV class and even the french super-dreadnoughts. They used WWI ship design, and put hi-tech gear on board.

[svaran]

LOL! one on one Bismark to beat KGV.

[bartoliodo]

As I see you are trying to change the history

[OddballRS]

DOY had one hit on her a partial on one leg of her foremast tripod.

[halobunny3point5]

is this a game or did you make this?

[f3hdemon]

It's a game called Fighting Steele.

[richrainbow]

The record for a direct hit was HMS Warspite against an Italian Cruiser at the battle of Matapan. Alegedly over 35,000 yards.

Also given that the KGVs were among the most heavily armoured ships ever built designed to withstand 16" shells, not sure the 11" of the two Sharnhorsts would have hurt her so badly so quickly- especially as she sank one in real life!

[OptimusPanzer]

Battlecruiser Scharnhorst have the record of longest gunfire hit on any enemy warship ever achieved. Scharnhorst hit aircraft carrier HMS Glorious at 24.175 meters (26.450 yards) on 8th of june 1940.

Maximum range of Warspite gunz waz about 33.000 yards so u might be wrong...

[richrainbow]

Thanks for the correction.

Impressed that they could measure it so accurately!

[richrainbow]

Found this on Wikipedia about Warspite: During the Battle of Calabria she was credited with achieving the longest range gunnery hit from a moving ship to a moving target in history. This was a hit on the Giulio Cesare at a range of approximately 26,000 yards (see also the Scharnhorst, which scored a very long range hit on the Glorious in June 1940). - Looks like we were both wrong!

[Spartanz1170]

what game is that? pm via you tube aaccount

[truesivad]

nice video presentation

[Rindfan]

Gneisenau in 1940. She hit HMS Glorious from about 22,000 yards.

[svaran]

someone correct me but one of those two battle cruisers I think has the record for longest distant strike by a shell. I think it was against one of the brit aircraft carriers.