@TheNottinghamLad Jesus Christ accepted marriage to be a God-given institution and that is good enough for me. The Pharisees asked him a question regarding divorce & his reply was "Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female. And said, (Quoted Genesis 2:24) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore GOD HAS JOINED TOGETHER let not man put asunder" Matt 19:4-6. Either you accept the teaching of the Bible or you don't; I do.
@MyloDude22. Yes I am aware that people existed long before the Genesis account was recorded by Moses, c1500BC. But as "holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit" 2Pet 1:21 so Moses was able to record the events surrounding the first ever marriage, that of Adam and Eve.
@apache16789 What ridiculous babble and utter nonsense. Marriage is merely a social construct thats been around forever in one form or another and NOTHING AT ALL to do with God! It is older than any religious accounts period my good man > end of discussion. Unless of course you would like to forward your proof for me to rip to shreds as false or misinterpreted?
@apache16789 In fact, it does; according to the Bible's genealogy Adam and Eve lived approximately 6,000 years ago. Marriage as a social institution existed before Adam and Eve were said to have even been created as it has been discovered in ancient Sumer. The Bible is the mythology and babblings of a backwards, bronze age, sand dwelling group of homicidal, genocidal, sexist, homophobic nomads that has been compiled, revised, and edited since the early days of Christendom.
@RebelWrestler45 Sumer was first settled between 4000 & 4500 BC and that, as you pointed out, is at least 1500 after the creation of Adam and Eve. I perceive by your comment that you have not done a great deal of Bible Study - or history!
@apache16789 No, 6000 years ago would be 4000 BC, and according to old testament text and the Hebrew calendar, that year would have been closer to 3700 BC; well after organized society first began in ancient Sumer. I perceive by your comment that not only have you not adequately studied history, but lack basic mathematical skills. Anyways, the first humans were not created 6,000 years ago; homo sapiens sapiens is at least 100,000 years old as a species.
@Ikonakonei no, the rabbits get together as a group and decide on who will be in charge each year by way of a vote. They then recruit many chickens and sometimes some ducks and they handcraft each individual egg then hide those in gardens for children to collect! : )
@lewisner It is the difference between them in innocency and afterwards in guilt having sinned. When they rejoiced in "the answer of a good conscience" they were destitute of shame and fear. They could stand naked in God's (angel's) presence unabashed. They were then pure and undefiled by sin. But when they lost their "good conscience" terror seized upon them at the voice of the angles. and shame possessed them; and they sought to hid from the angel's sight. Read Elpis Israel by John Thomas M.D
Marriage predates the writings of the Bible. It has been noted in pritty much every society. It also has seen many many forms, so it does not have an absolute definition.Through the millania it has been a slave contract, a polygamous agreement, an economic relationship, a union for life, segregated by race, religous, etc. Marriage is simply a social construct tied to the beliefs of a certain society, its fluidity is self evidently therefore not Biblical
Marriage doesn't come from the Bible? Gen 3:24/25 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife and were not ashamed."
@apache16789 You do realize that people were alive BEFORE the Bible was written right? Why do i get the feeling when I talk to Christians that they think the world didn't exist before the Bible was written?
In fact, technically everything that is *in* the Bible cannot come *from* the Bible, because the Bible is a collection of scriptures that predates the Bible.
The only exceptions is the index and the sourcelist of the Bible, those are native to the Bible only and cannot be found elsewhere.
@Jesus45U i think lots of christians believe that nothing came before the bible. well, lots of christians i've come into contact with anyway. Its odd.
you don't believe that marriage comes from the bible because you believe in evolution not creationism. If you believed in God then you also believe that He created Adam and Eve as the first parents and then married, so theology goes, therefor, that is where marriage came from. if you would believed this then that is the first record of marriage in the history of men. That is what the caller is implying
Thunderheartful- That's your problem, your using the Bible as your reference for truth. Prayer is a way of expressing what you want. I get what I want and I don't pray to your constrict of a God. So without evidence to support that those who believe in God get what they want more often than those who don't believe in a God, your answer is irrelevant.
@The Loudale. I have not been shown any contradictions in the Bible. Every thing I have read is credible, to me, because I have witness that God answers prayers, and has answers for those who want answers, instead of question upon question.
@thunderheartful Maybe you should try to read into it some more. And honestly god has never answered my prayers, it was i myself that went out and found my own answers. there is nothing more powerful than actually thinking and doing things for yourself. God wasn't there to help me, i was my own backbone, i walked my streets alone and i made who i am today. everything i learned, accomplished, failed at, ignored, loved, was me. no god whispered sweet nothings to me to help me.
@TheLoudale. Well, I have read it some more. God does answer prayers of those who have faith in Him. As Jesus told a woman as he healed her, "According to your faith, be it unto you." By your words, it seems that you do not need God, it seems more like you have made yourself your own God. So, that being the case, why not just own it, and stop lying against the God of heaven, because He has always been there for those who seek Him.
@thunderheartful If you're being completely honest about not being shown any contradictions in the Bible and that everything you've read in it seems credible, I beg you to keep reading. The only way you can ask for an answer, is by question. For any God to give an answer, there has to be a question asked. Questions are inevitable, and a very large portion of the population chooses to acknowledge the astounding silence "God" presents, and stop seeing indirect answers where they don't exist.
marriage was a social idea to hand down property and to propagate the species..it was a transfer of property known as a daughter with a dowry..campaign to spread lies is another method the elite try to manipulate the culture to serve their agenda
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Genesis 2:24 Marriage is one of the earliest things the bible addresses, Moses wrote the book of genesis after he had freed the slaves so naturally people would be getting married before there was a bible, but that's because that's what Men and Women have been doing since Adam and Eve. sure you can be legally married by the state but thts what the state recognizes, But Not God
What a load of crap spewing out of these guy's mouths. The Bible references marriage at Genesis 2:24, the document is 2,500 years old (dead sea scrolls) and takes place IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN. References don't get much older then that. These guys are full of nothing but lies, find the evidence for yourself.
@BibleIsland First of all, a book telling a story doesn't make it so. Secondly, using that said book to convince a non-believer anything you believe is futile. Btw, when was this so called marriage in the garden of eden?
@BibleIsland There are references of marriage in Mesopotamia, Hinduism has also marriage 6000 years ago, there are ancient pre-historic graves with couples buried toguether... marriage takes place in the garden of Eden? That's just a story, a claim to say "the Earth is X years old and we have own what marriage is and we define it", a clever move but not that bright, it's bullshit, in order to claim that youi have to prove that the Bible is correct and provide evidence for that magic garden...
@thatamazinggeek nah! Satan's the guy who wants us to eat, drink and BE marry, not GET married. That's God's idea. He's the one who wants us all to feel bad about ourselves.
I've always thought marriage originated in the bible too, but now that i heard this,i need to search in the bible and find out why i've thought this.i understand Atheist a little better now not that i am one, a little of me is...i know one thing, true or not,the bible has to be understood old testament vs new testament..example:The 10 commandments were canceled out by God when the new covenant commenced at the death of Christ..did you know that? if not then how your interpreting the B is wrong
@Eddieguitarloebs well thats good to hear, many others just are to lazy to do the research themselves and instead just say, "well thats what my pastor said." it is easier to find out things for yourself. i myself have been alienated for most of my community but some ppl just wont do the research. for them its so wrong to ask questions. its very hard when your up all night with all these questions like me.
@Eddieguitarloebs. Not to be argumentative or contradictory to you, but the 10 commandments were not cancelled out at the death of Christ. Christ spoke while alive that he did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill the law. Not to be preachy to you, but the scripture may be found in Matthew 5:17-19.
I like this caller. He was wrong/mistaken about something, but he listened to Matt and apologized for his mistake. Pretty good disposition for a religious person.
@BelieveandtrustJesus I never brought up feelings, YOU keep bringing that up. And I have done research on this. There is a lot of marriage in the bible, but as these guys have said, people in ancient Egypt were getting married before there was a bible. What about Moses's wife? that was before ANY of even the old testament was written. Marriage is a very, very old idea. It CAN be and mean many things, but it is at it's base a contract.
@BelieveandtrustJesus OK, I am not saying marriage ISN'T from the bible. I am just saying that your argument makes absolutely no sense. You say history and evidence, yet you still fail to give me one quote to make me sway in your direction. The "evil" atheists here have given me plenty of evidence to lean in their direction.
@BelieveandtrustJesus Wow... Do you ever think before you talk? They and everyone else who knows better are presenting physical evidence to either support or contradict this video. YOU however, are just spewing blind stupidity like manure. "There's no where else it could have come from" Really? That is your great argument? Why don't you stop being a sheep and do some actual research yourself? ...And I wonder why some preachers are not very educated people...
@thunderheartful If prayer had any value I would pray that if you had kids you allow them to make up their own minds on religion rather than indoctrinating them into the same beliefs which you were indoctrinated as a child.
@lewisner. Genesis 2:24-25 gives account of what you call "married" if you use your dictionary, and stop arguing with reason, you see that Adam and Eve were husband and wife. Genesis 1:27 says male and female created he "them". The Bible does not limit to only two people being created in the days of Adam and Eve, it states they were the first two. As long as you wear blinders, you will only have questions. When someone opens their mind fo answers, the questions are not too difficult.
@MagnusNyborg. Yet, if we will have an open mind, which is one of the things some say is necessary to learn, when we are given an answer, we will contemplate it, and try to use it for the better.
@thunderheartful if one contemplates it with an open mind (and not shut down in the state of acceptance) one can see the illogical and immoral of the bible.
And in face of contradicting evidence, what does religion do? It resorts to FAITH. Faith is the end stop of logical reasoning, where nelievers just resort to 'this is what i believe regardless of what the truth is'
(The answer to that question is that someone who is using the Bible as his or her only source of evidence is incapable of making a rational, sound argument, so they have to resort to mindlessly reciting Biblical verses despite the fact that they were all written by men and serve no more as evidence of the nature of the universe than do the figments of a child's imagination.)
@Kritter42 Precisely. I had a convo with a muslim on a belly dancing video (he spouted off about it being "sexually provocative" etc) and in answer to my reasonable questions he resorted to quran verses so he just sounded like a religious answering machine!
@thunderheartful The bible is a story book written by a tribe of savages who thought lightning was a punishment from "god". It contains no wisdom at all.
It makes me cringe to think that in the 21st century people can still be indoctrinated into this crud as children and not rise above it.
I think this might be the first time I've heard a caller go 'wait, ok, actually, I'm wrong' instead of '(bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit) you're going to hell'
On this count. i think both parties are wrong.. marriage was found in the book of Job and the book of Genesis, which was supposedly around way before ancient rome.. and written around ancient babylonian time.. but marriage was probably around way before the book of Job was written. which was what people claim to be the earliest book of the bible that was written. I don't think anybody can prove where the idea of living together with a human spouse came from.But that's not the point of the show.
@BlameRepublicans i dont understand. Are you saying before Jesus, it was not possible to marry a person? Or are you agreeing with me that Marriage existed before biblical records?
"marriage pre-dates your christ myths" = There was marriage long before the myth of christ, therefore marriage and religion have nothing to do with one another.
@BlameRepublicans - Hi, I'm a human being, and I would like to dedicate myself to (for example, you) another human being. OOOPS! I guess I can't, because I'm not Christian... So, that means I'm not human enough to qualify for the human desires that come with being human. DUrr.. xD
@doorkeeper1224 LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! Every culture on the same subject, huh? Not like every mammal has a built in desire for reproduction, it was the spirit of god, huh?
Atheists so gleefully bash any absurd straw that they can grasp -- just to needle someone. For of course you don't need a Bible to get married, nor did the Bible institute it. It's like saying that a staple is the only way to hang up a sheet of paper.
@TheKbugga What are you talking about? The guy started talking about marriage being founded in the bible and they told him he was wrong and why. That is not grasping for straws. It's not like they just started talking about random subjects and proving them wrong. How about you watch the whole video and pay attention to what is being said if you are thinking about commenting on it next time. If not, don't bother, it just makes you look stupid.
@xynth101088: Nice try at extricating this mess. But read my comment again, and you will see that the point of this video is moot. Like I said, it's like arguing that a staple is the only way to hang up a sheet of paper. A complete waste of time (and digital space).
@doorkeeper1224 by ur standards something that we all know is true because it has been around for ages doesnt need to be tested, we just know its true.
science shows this isnt true, often what we think we know turns out to be wrong.
by following the scientific method we can find evidence to show us what is actually true
as theres no evidence for god, miracles, heaven or the supernatural, theres no reason to think or act as if any of them are true
@thunderheartful explain to me how the universe/mankind proves god exists, without starting a god of the gaps argument. Then explain to me how you know supernatural miracles/healing has occured without using the bible. for bonus points explain to me how a miracle occuring, like a blind person being able to see, would prove god exists. for your previous comments im not holding my breath
@thunderheartful let me leave you with this: Lev. 11:13, 19 'And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls...And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.'
dam those abominable storks
and why does a supernatural all knowing megagod call bat a bird? didnt he know that we were going to discover that bats arent birds? its almost like the bible wasnt written by an all knowing god at all, its almost like it was written by men, weird isnt it?
@thunderheartful You are clearly not a person who gives honest and clear answers because you have lacked to do so. I'm guessin it has something to do with the fact that you have no answers therefore why are you here trying to shove religion down peoples throats? Quoting the bible that is full of inaccurracies and inconsistances, that was written by men and not your god gives us no proof in the least of your god being true. So try and find some more logical proof plz.
@TheLoudale. You are clearly a person with a closed mind and very biased views. The answers I have are the ones that I have received by God, by having an open mind. I do not expect you to understand this, however, since you present yourself as someone who only spouts questions and accusations at those who take a stand for something, especially if it takes more courage than you are willing to display. I do not try to force my religion on anyone. The Bible is not inaccurate or inconsistant.
@thunderheartful Close minded,biased? hardly. I used to be a theist , i used to think exactly like you, honestly. How did you receive answers from god? what exactly did he tell you? and yes i ask questions, i'd like for someone to show me this god. You think i don't have courage? you don't think it takes courage to tell people you're an atheist? you don't know WHAT people have said to me. it isn't nice. The bible is fullof contradictions, inconsistances, and hateful things. i ask for real proof
@BigLundi Genesis 2:24-25 tell us a man shal leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife and they shall be one flesh. .... the man and his wife. Semantics is no excuse for looking over the obvious. The earth and its life forms are the creation of Almighty God. It is not scientific or honest to deny the truth. Just because someone does not believe it, does not make the truth into a lie. No one has to believe that Barack Obama is the President of the US, but it is still true.
@thunderheartful "The earth and its life forms are the creation of Almighty God."
Ahem. Provide evidence. Oh, that's right, you can't.
Also, you ARE aware that peoople were getting married before the bible was written, right? The bible didn't originate it, even if those verses were trying to define marriage(which they didn't).
@thunderheartful The bible isn't recorded history sir. That's a completely inaccurate statement. It's scientifically inaccurate, it contradicts itself, and most of its claims are things not even backed up by any corroborative evidence.
The bible has not been shown to be a reliable source on any part of history. Please provide evidence that anyone should believe its claims. Also, I don't care about answers to spiritual questions, as there is no evidence that there is any such thing as spirits.
@doorkeeper1224 lmao @ "you proved God created man by breathing." Are you fucking kidding me? Do you really not realize that's complete and utter nonsense? Human speech is not evidence of God. Don't talk about science and data and then make some bullshit claim like that if you want to be taken seriously. Stop trying to combine science and faith, it doesn't work. If you want to be a person of faith, good for you, but don't try to bastardize science to justify it.
@thunderheartful None of what you said just made any sense. Genesis is not scientific evidence and it is not a historical account of anything, it's at best a child's story and at worse an attempt at global brainwashing. Please don't preach to me. And DEFINITELY don't preach to me about the "science" of the bible, because that is complete nonsense. And God is not self-evident, that's just what one says when they want to refuse the burden of proof.
@thunderheartful OMG XD you actually try to use the bible as scientific evidence that god is real. Are you really beyond understanding any logic? And when Kritter42 debunked that you went back to verses. It must be easy to avoid and reject logic and evidence. You will never understand the REAL world as long as you believe in something so wrong that easily.
@doorkeeper1224 which all sounds reasonable untill u you understand science. think of all the things we 'know' is true cus its stood the test of time.
we know absence makes the heart grow stronger, but we know out of sight out of mind.
just because something has been around for ages doesnt make it true.
science can be used to find out which statements are true.
everything needs to be proven if we are going to accept it as true, you need to prove god created man. no one has done so far
@doorkeeper1224 But believing in things you can't observe gets you a ticket to the local psych hospital. Believing in something there is no evidence of even being able to exist is not a good sign.
@doorkeeper1224 Pascal's wager is a weak argument to be making, as far as that last little line is concerned, "Just because you cant see something, does not mean it is not there!", let me retort with a quote from Voltaire, "a witty line proves nothing"
Another nice quote is (from Christopher Hitchens) "that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." Besides if god is so weak that he cannot see through a little risk calculation and false profession, then he's not nearly as infinitely wise as christians tend to make him out to be
@sharkjack it's actually an old Roman proverb which just goes to show how universally apparent that reasoning is, "quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur!"
@doorkeeper1224 just beacuse the book of lies(bible) says so, doesnt mean its true. why not any other religion. ? why this evil abomination called christianity.
@doorkeeper1224: "t is through his sacrificial life we have the offer of eternal life, through faith in His name"
What you have is an amusing story that makes no sense. It wouldn't even make good science fiction.
The plot of the bible has more holes than a Chinese whorehouse, and is chock full of every ugly thing imaginable. There is no eternal life and no "salvation of souls". It's all a load of nonsense for simple-minded people like you.
@doorkeeper1224: "The simplicity of faith in Jesus Christ is somewhat different than "horescrap" as you put it."
It's the purest form of self-delusional horsecrap there is. Total and absolute horsecrap. Face it- you believe in a ridiculously stupid fairy tale that was cobbled together by a bunch of ignorant, desert-dwelling goat herders. You should be ashamed and embarrassed openly admit that you actually believe it.
@doorkeeper1224: "Those who will burn forever in hell" There is no hell, and no heaven either. Stop believing in this foolish fairy tale.
"The invisible God is the Father of us all" No, he's not. He doesn't exist. It's all just a silly story that you've chosen to believe in.
"I would not refer to Him as "sky daddy", that seems disrespectful." I don't care. He's a lie, your whole religion is a lie. And your religion is disgustingly disrespectful to all humans.
@doorkeeper1224: "Freedom comes from God, only through Jesus Christ."
What a load of brainwashed drivel. Yes, be free by becoming a slave to the invisible magic man in the sky! Be free by submitting to a fairy tale that will control every minute and aspect of your life! Oh, how wonderful!
Yeah, I'd love to believe that silly garbage. How nice it must be to live in your little fantasy land.
@doorkeeper1224: ""He wants everyone to be given a chance to choose whether or not to believe in Him."
And people who don't will burn forever in the fires of your imaginary Hell. Yeah, he's a sweetheart! What a guy!
"Others, however, want to stifle those willing to give everyone a choice!"
Others would just like you to stop your bronze-age babbling about some invisible sky-daddy. It's a tribute to your gullibility that you actually believe this horsecrap.
@Zed1967: "It's no wonder that monotheists have a bizarre sense of sexual morality, especially where children are concerned. "
Yup. Publicly they're soooooooooo uptight about sex, yet they secretly like to have gay affairs (ala Ted Haggard) and rape children (like countless numbers of priests).
As near as I can tell, belief in religion is a pretty good sign of mental illness or low intelligence.
Marriage came on day 6 of creation by our Almighty and Wise Creator. This part of creation testifies of the provision God made when mankind would fail and fall into sin(i.e.Adam's transgression). The man being the husband to the wife represents a foreshadowing of the relationship of Jesus Christ and His eternal church (His body, His people). The two become one flesh represents those joined unto the Lord being one spirit. By this we can bring forth fruit unto God, and not be condemned by the law.
@doorkeeper1224, a simple question for you; what did people believe in before knowledge of Jesus Christ was invented? 5000 years ago no knowledge of Jesus Christ existed in the world. People existed back then during that time. If going to heaven is based on belief in Jesus Christ, what about those people who lived 5000 years ago, or even 10,000 years ago? Don't they have souls too?
@doorkeeper1224 Freedom? Pahh. You're a slave to the scribblings of nomadic, superstitious men from 2000 years ago and you think you're free? You can't even think for yourself.
@doorkeeper1224 STOP preaching. Try presenting a RATIONAL ARGUMENT with credible verifiable evidence (NOT scripture) to support your positive claim that a god exists. Just because you have many "cronies" who share your belief doesn't mean your belief is true.
@doorkeeper1224 all i'm saying is i need my own proof, my belief or faith is not going to come from some guy in a lobby on youtube shaming me into it; nor is it going to come from one book....
@doorkeeper1224 all i'm saying is i need my own proof, my belief or faith is not going to come from some guy in a lobby on youtube shaming me into it; nor is it going to some from one book....
@doorkeeper1224 me and my cronies....not sure how to respond to that; i have always thought for myself and therefore don't believe i have "cronies" in a classical sense, but i suppose you meant by that "people who don't accpet jesus"...it's not that i'm opposed to belief/acceptance, it's just that, as far as other man's testimony, no i'm not going to take someone else's word for it....there are many teahcing of jesuse not found in the bible, some of which are contradictory to what that book says
@doorkeeper1224 America a Christian nation? NO! the u.s constitution even makes it specific ,in the first ammendment, that religion will NOT be part of goverment or endorsed by it(for the sake of preventing religious oppression). Most of the founding fathers were'nt even Christian, most were diest and ambivalent about Christianity.
@UndeadAppleTree also the treaty of tripoli also stated in section 11 "The united States of AMerica is no way founded on the christian religion" Also kind of makes that clear :)
or check out the treaty c. 1800 with the Barbary States which says explicitly that the US is not based on Christianity (and that MAY, ie check on this, have been signed under John Adams, one of the more conservative founding fathers)
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
@doorkeeper1224 no, you need to read their writings; the founding fathers, for the most part, wanted to keep all religion away from government....of course, interpretation is everything when it comes to these matters.
@doorkeeper1224 what good is recorded history if the recorders didn't understand what they were seeing? even today, historical events that happened in our lifetime have two or three differing opinions of them, EVEN RECORDED ONES....if you want a master, go ahead, but don't try to feed it to those of us who want to be free.
@TheNottinghamLad Jesus Christ accepted marriage to be a God-given institution and that is good enough for me. The Pharisees asked him a question regarding divorce & his reply was "Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female. And said, (Quoted Genesis 2:24) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore GOD HAS JOINED TOGETHER let not man put asunder" Matt 19:4-6. Either you accept the teaching of the Bible or you don't; I do.
apache16789 3 weeks ago
@MyloDude22. Yes I am aware that people existed long before the Genesis account was recorded by Moses, c1500BC. But as "holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit" 2Pet 1:21 so Moses was able to record the events surrounding the first ever marriage, that of Adam and Eve.
apache16789 3 weeks ago
@apache16789 Prove it :D
TheWesmaister 3 weeks ago
@apache16789 What ridiculous babble and utter nonsense. Marriage is merely a social construct thats been around forever in one form or another and NOTHING AT ALL to do with God! It is older than any religious accounts period my good man > end of discussion. Unless of course you would like to forward your proof for me to rip to shreds as false or misinterpreted?
TheNottinghamLad 3 weeks ago in playlist the atheist experience 2
@apache16789 And what year did this marriage take place?
RebelWrestler45 2 weeks ago
@RebelWrestler45 I don't know what year it took place. The Bible does not record unimportant details such as you ask.
apache16789 2 weeks ago
@apache16789 In fact, it does; according to the Bible's genealogy Adam and Eve lived approximately 6,000 years ago. Marriage as a social institution existed before Adam and Eve were said to have even been created as it has been discovered in ancient Sumer. The Bible is the mythology and babblings of a backwards, bronze age, sand dwelling group of homicidal, genocidal, sexist, homophobic nomads that has been compiled, revised, and edited since the early days of Christendom.
RebelWrestler45 2 weeks ago
@RebelWrestler45 Sumer was first settled between 4000 & 4500 BC and that, as you pointed out, is at least 1500 after the creation of Adam and Eve. I perceive by your comment that you have not done a great deal of Bible Study - or history!
apache16789 2 weeks ago
@apache16789 No, 6000 years ago would be 4000 BC, and according to old testament text and the Hebrew calendar, that year would have been closer to 3700 BC; well after organized society first began in ancient Sumer. I perceive by your comment that not only have you not adequately studied history, but lack basic mathematical skills. Anyways, the first humans were not created 6,000 years ago; homo sapiens sapiens is at least 100,000 years old as a species.
RebelWrestler45 2 weeks ago
..So like? Do easter bunnies actually lay easter eggs?
Ikonakonei 3 weeks ago
@Ikonakonei no, the rabbits get together as a group and decide on who will be in charge each year by way of a vote. They then recruit many chickens and sometimes some ducks and they handcraft each individual egg then hide those in gardens for children to collect! : )
TheDharmawheel 1 week ago
@lewisner It is the difference between them in innocency and afterwards in guilt having sinned. When they rejoiced in "the answer of a good conscience" they were destitute of shame and fear. They could stand naked in God's (angel's) presence unabashed. They were then pure and undefiled by sin. But when they lost their "good conscience" terror seized upon them at the voice of the angles. and shame possessed them; and they sought to hid from the angel's sight. Read Elpis Israel by John Thomas M.D
apache16789 1 month ago
Marriage predates the writings of the Bible. It has been noted in pritty much every society. It also has seen many many forms, so it does not have an absolute definition.Through the millania it has been a slave contract, a polygamous agreement, an economic relationship, a union for life, segregated by race, religous, etc. Marriage is simply a social construct tied to the beliefs of a certain society, its fluidity is self evidently therefore not Biblical
moroney1 1 month ago
Marriage doesn't come from the Bible? Gen 3:24/25 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife and were not ashamed."
apache16789 1 month ago
@apache16789 And yet when Adam and Eve realised they were naked and WERE ashamed, "god" punished them.
lewisner 1 month ago
@apache16789 You do realize that people were alive BEFORE the Bible was written right? Why do i get the feeling when I talk to Christians that they think the world didn't exist before the Bible was written?
MyloDude22 3 weeks ago
@apache16789 in the bible doesn't mean it CAME from the bible. It came before christianity.
TheDharmawheel 2 weeks ago
@TheDharmawheel
I agree.
In fact, technically everything that is *in* the Bible cannot come *from* the Bible, because the Bible is a collection of scriptures that predates the Bible.
The only exceptions is the index and the sourcelist of the Bible, those are native to the Bible only and cannot be found elsewhere.
Jesus45U 1 week ago
@Jesus45U i think lots of christians believe that nothing came before the bible. well, lots of christians i've come into contact with anyway. Its odd.
TheDharmawheel 1 week ago
fun fact: the founding fathers were actually deists.
movingon675 1 month ago
you don't believe that marriage comes from the bible because you believe in evolution not creationism. If you believed in God then you also believe that He created Adam and Eve as the first parents and then married, so theology goes, therefor, that is where marriage came from. if you would believed this then that is the first record of marriage in the history of men. That is what the caller is implying
marlenediscua 1 month ago
I am curius! Does pastafarrians get married?
Peristerygr 1 month ago
@Peristerygr Yes we do.
FEARxTHExWOLF 1 month ago
@FEARxTHExWOLF I know! I was just mocking the caller who said that marriage came from the bible!
Peristerygr 1 month ago
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Cypher1X 2 months ago
Thunderheartful- That's your problem, your using the Bible as your reference for truth. Prayer is a way of expressing what you want. I get what I want and I don't pray to your constrict of a God. So without evidence to support that those who believe in God get what they want more often than those who don't believe in a God, your answer is irrelevant.
lorentholcke 2 months ago
I thought marriage was a biblical thing too, I'm so glad I was wrong! =:)
gordogreat74 2 months ago
Well, here's Betty Bowers' take on Biblical marriage. It's very funny AND very shocking. watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw
ritchloui 2 months ago
@The Loudale. I have not been shown any contradictions in the Bible. Every thing I have read is credible, to me, because I have witness that God answers prayers, and has answers for those who want answers, instead of question upon question.
thunderheartful 2 months ago
@thunderheartful Maybe you should try to read into it some more. And honestly god has never answered my prayers, it was i myself that went out and found my own answers. there is nothing more powerful than actually thinking and doing things for yourself. God wasn't there to help me, i was my own backbone, i walked my streets alone and i made who i am today. everything i learned, accomplished, failed at, ignored, loved, was me. no god whispered sweet nothings to me to help me.
TheLoudale 2 months ago
@TheLoudale. Well, I have read it some more. God does answer prayers of those who have faith in Him. As Jesus told a woman as he healed her, "According to your faith, be it unto you." By your words, it seems that you do not need God, it seems more like you have made yourself your own God. So, that being the case, why not just own it, and stop lying against the God of heaven, because He has always been there for those who seek Him.
thunderheartful 2 months ago
@thunderheartful If you're being completely honest about not being shown any contradictions in the Bible and that everything you've read in it seems credible, I beg you to keep reading. The only way you can ask for an answer, is by question. For any God to give an answer, there has to be a question asked. Questions are inevitable, and a very large portion of the population chooses to acknowledge the astounding silence "God" presents, and stop seeing indirect answers where they don't exist.
b33p3rz 2 months ago
i would hate to live in a country that still takes religion serious it would drive me nuts
mcdinkity 3 months ago
@mcdinkity actually you'd probably be dead :/
TheRunningComedian 2 months ago
marriage was a social idea to hand down property and to propagate the species..it was a transfer of property known as a daughter with a dowry..campaign to spread lies is another method the elite try to manipulate the culture to serve their agenda
xadam2dudex 3 months ago
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Genesis 2:24 Marriage is one of the earliest things the bible addresses, Moses wrote the book of genesis after he had freed the slaves so naturally people would be getting married before there was a bible, but that's because that's what Men and Women have been doing since Adam and Eve. sure you can be legally married by the state but thts what the state recognizes, But Not God
LivingForTheLord1994 3 months ago
What a load of crap spewing out of these guy's mouths. The Bible references marriage at Genesis 2:24, the document is 2,500 years old (dead sea scrolls) and takes place IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN. References don't get much older then that. These guys are full of nothing but lies, find the evidence for yourself.
BibleIsland 3 months ago
@BibleIsland First of all, a book telling a story doesn't make it so. Secondly, using that said book to convince a non-believer anything you believe is futile. Btw, when was this so called marriage in the garden of eden?
theoldbat40 3 months ago
@BibleIsland There are references of marriage in Mesopotamia, Hinduism has also marriage 6000 years ago, there are ancient pre-historic graves with couples buried toguether... marriage takes place in the garden of Eden? That's just a story, a claim to say "the Earth is X years old and we have own what marriage is and we define it", a clever move but not that bright, it's bullshit, in order to claim that youi have to prove that the Bible is correct and provide evidence for that magic garden...
DocStrange0123 3 months ago
@thatamazinggeek nah! Satan's the guy who wants us to eat, drink and BE marry, not GET married. That's God's idea. He's the one who wants us all to feel bad about ourselves.
Rabboleth 3 months ago
Gawd and Jebus
benaberry 3 months ago
i like to worship the god of pizza :P
i have proof that if you call upon him he sends an angel to your house within 30-45 minutes...but that god seems to want money too :*(
MadMAn12gauge 3 months ago 87
@MadMAn12gauge I'm a pizza driver. You can worship me please. I get it to your house hot and fresh. PRAISE ME! ;)~
signofsatan 3 months ago
@MadMAn12gauge
i have to reply to your comment even if its a month old why?
Because i also worship the god of pizza!!!!
i think you knows this but your one of the top comments lol
HAIL PIZZA
MrPizzaVIP 2 months ago
@MadMAn12gauge So you mean that the God of Pizza is like every other god in respect to money
HAPrime 1 month ago 2
@MadMAn12gauge He wants you to give something in exchange of the food he give you every day.
TheWesmaister 3 weeks ago
@MadMAn12gauge On the upside, you get something back from giving the pizza god money.
You get a pizza.
That's immediately 100x better than anything religion's ever given me.
WirlWind494 2 weeks ago
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Moppy1988 2 weeks ago
@MadMAn12gauge I would like to join your religion. Extra toppings for all!
Moppy1988 2 weeks ago
@MadMAn12gauge
The Prophet has spoken!
TripleM87 1 week ago
@MadMAn12gauge Well technically you call the church
mrgibbons11 1 week ago
@MadMAn12gauge HA HA HA. GOOD ONE! :D
ekramonology 4 days ago
watching this show makes me that much smarter, i <3 it :D
sosbarbie 3 months ago
I've always thought marriage originated in the bible too, but now that i heard this,i need to search in the bible and find out why i've thought this.i understand Atheist a little better now not that i am one, a little of me is...i know one thing, true or not,the bible has to be understood old testament vs new testament..example:The 10 commandments were canceled out by God when the new covenant commenced at the death of Christ..did you know that? if not then how your interpreting the B is wrong
Eddieguitarloebs 4 months ago
@Eddieguitarloebs well thats good to hear, many others just are to lazy to do the research themselves and instead just say, "well thats what my pastor said." it is easier to find out things for yourself. i myself have been alienated for most of my community but some ppl just wont do the research. for them its so wrong to ask questions. its very hard when your up all night with all these questions like me.
silverkeen07 3 months ago
@Eddieguitarloebs. Not to be argumentative or contradictory to you, but the 10 commandments were not cancelled out at the death of Christ. Christ spoke while alive that he did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill the law. Not to be preachy to you, but the scripture may be found in Matthew 5:17-19.
thunderheartful 3 months ago
Marriage came from my dick
Grominx 4 months ago
I like this caller. He was wrong/mistaken about something, but he listened to Matt and apologized for his mistake. Pretty good disposition for a religious person.
LEV1ATHYN 4 months ago 109
@LEV1ATHYN i hope most religious people would be like this instead of repeating their "point" over and over again without changing views.
StrelokNikitin 2 weeks ago
@LEV1ATHYN Next step: Make them all like that :P
Emlis16 1 week ago
"Alright! Can I have some one mo question?" Where do they find these people?
saburius 4 months ago
in native America people got married.
MrCrunchybizzle 4 months ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus I never brought up feelings, YOU keep bringing that up. And I have done research on this. There is a lot of marriage in the bible, but as these guys have said, people in ancient Egypt were getting married before there was a bible. What about Moses's wife? that was before ANY of even the old testament was written. Marriage is a very, very old idea. It CAN be and mean many things, but it is at it's base a contract.
So, again, you have no proof, and they have much.
Donnut123 4 months ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus OK, I am not saying marriage ISN'T from the bible. I am just saying that your argument makes absolutely no sense. You say history and evidence, yet you still fail to give me one quote to make me sway in your direction. The "evil" atheists here have given me plenty of evidence to lean in their direction.
Donnut123 4 months ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus Wow... Do you ever think before you talk? They and everyone else who knows better are presenting physical evidence to either support or contradict this video. YOU however, are just spewing blind stupidity like manure. "There's no where else it could have come from" Really? That is your great argument? Why don't you stop being a sheep and do some actual research yourself? ...And I wonder why some preachers are not very educated people...
Donnut123 4 months ago
Matt can back up everything he says. I wish more people would tune in.
lovergal1984 4 months ago
Matt rules yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thebigwic 5 months ago
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thunderheartful 5 months ago
@thunderheartful If prayer had any value I would pray that if you had kids you allow them to make up their own minds on religion rather than indoctrinating them into the same beliefs which you were indoctrinated as a child.
lewisner 5 months ago
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thunderheartful 5 months ago
@lewisner. Genesis 2:24-25 gives account of what you call "married" if you use your dictionary, and stop arguing with reason, you see that Adam and Eve were husband and wife. Genesis 1:27 says male and female created he "them". The Bible does not limit to only two people being created in the days of Adam and Eve, it states they were the first two. As long as you wear blinders, you will only have questions. When someone opens their mind fo answers, the questions are not too difficult.
thunderheartful 5 months ago
@thunderheartful and as soon as one opens the bible, the questions come back.
MagnusNyborg 3 months ago
@MagnusNyborg. Yet, if we will have an open mind, which is one of the things some say is necessary to learn, when we are given an answer, we will contemplate it, and try to use it for the better.
thunderheartful 3 months ago
@thunderheartful if one contemplates it with an open mind (and not shut down in the state of acceptance) one can see the illogical and immoral of the bible.
And in face of contradicting evidence, what does religion do? It resorts to FAITH. Faith is the end stop of logical reasoning, where nelievers just resort to 'this is what i believe regardless of what the truth is'
MagnusNyborg 3 months ago
(The answer to that question is that someone who is using the Bible as his or her only source of evidence is incapable of making a rational, sound argument, so they have to resort to mindlessly reciting Biblical verses despite the fact that they were all written by men and serve no more as evidence of the nature of the universe than do the figments of a child's imagination.)
Kritter42 5 months ago
@Kritter42 Precisely. I had a convo with a muslim on a belly dancing video (he spouted off about it being "sexually provocative" etc) and in answer to my reasonable questions he resorted to quran verses so he just sounded like a religious answering machine!
lewisner 5 months ago
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thunderheartful 5 months ago
@thunderheartful PLEASE stop quoting bible verses! If you have no ability to answer in your own words simply say "I have no answer".
lewisner 5 months ago
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thunderheartful 5 months ago
@thunderheartful The bible is a story book written by a tribe of savages who thought lightning was a punishment from "god". It contains no wisdom at all.
It makes me cringe to think that in the 21st century people can still be indoctrinated into this crud as children and not rise above it.
lewisner 5 months ago
The Atheist Experience schooled someone, and he accepted it. How refreshing.
ChipArgyle 5 months ago
i think the dollar bill should say "in dogs we trust"
darkchibicosmos 5 months ago
@darkchibicosmos the least they could do is drop the "T" from "In God We Trust." ;-)
Rabboleth 3 months ago
@Rabboleth hahhaa nice
darkchibicosmos 3 months ago
I think this might be the first time I've heard a caller go 'wait, ok, actually, I'm wrong' instead of '(bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit) you're going to hell'
93tomb 6 months ago 5
@93tomb i loved that comment, its just like ShockofGod
Jimmyboy679 6 months ago
@93tomb Ironically, that may have restored my faith in humanity.
ssjbriguy 5 months ago
On this count. i think both parties are wrong.. marriage was found in the book of Job and the book of Genesis, which was supposedly around way before ancient rome.. and written around ancient babylonian time.. but marriage was probably around way before the book of Job was written. which was what people claim to be the earliest book of the bible that was written. I don't think anybody can prove where the idea of living together with a human spouse came from.But that's not the point of the show.
bratbrat83 6 months ago
@bratbrat83 no - marriage pre-dates your christ myths
BlameRepublicans 6 months ago
@BlameRepublicans i dont understand. Are you saying before Jesus, it was not possible to marry a person? Or are you agreeing with me that Marriage existed before biblical records?
bratbrat83 1 month ago
"marriage pre-dates your christ myths" = There was marriage long before the myth of christ, therefore marriage and religion have nothing to do with one another.
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@BlameRepublicans - Hi, I'm a human being, and I would like to dedicate myself to (for example, you) another human being. OOOPS! I guess I can't, because I'm not Christian... So, that means I'm not human enough to qualify for the human desires that come with being human. DUrr.. xD
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sharonchimichanga 6 months ago
@doorkeeper1224 LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! Every culture on the same subject, huh? Not like every mammal has a built in desire for reproduction, it was the spirit of god, huh?
Man, you need help.
LesPaul2006 6 months ago
Atheists so gleefully bash any absurd straw that they can grasp -- just to needle someone. For of course you don't need a Bible to get married, nor did the Bible institute it. It's like saying that a staple is the only way to hang up a sheet of paper.
TheKbugga 7 months ago 5
@TheKbugga And so many do come to grasp...
axeld93 6 months ago
@TheKbugga What are you talking about? The guy started talking about marriage being founded in the bible and they told him he was wrong and why. That is not grasping for straws. It's not like they just started talking about random subjects and proving them wrong. How about you watch the whole video and pay attention to what is being said if you are thinking about commenting on it next time. If not, don't bother, it just makes you look stupid.
xynth101088 6 months ago
@xynth101088: Nice try at extricating this mess. But read my comment again, and you will see that the point of this video is moot. Like I said, it's like arguing that a staple is the only way to hang up a sheet of paper. A complete waste of time (and digital space).
lanthicxc 6 months ago
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@lanthicxc Again, what are you talking about?
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thunderheartful 5 months ago
@TheKbugga Given the context of the question, his answer was correct. Seems to me like you're the one grasping at straws here.
Celll212 3 months ago
@Celll212: Nice left-fielder, but no cream soda.
TheKbugga 3 months ago
people must read history books more often and broaden their mental horizons
carey579 7 months ago
@doorkeeper1224 Are you actually defending Christianity? god your stupid (pun intended)
ixcaliber 7 months ago
@doorkeeper1224 by ur standards something that we all know is true because it has been around for ages doesnt need to be tested, we just know its true.
science shows this isnt true, often what we think we know turns out to be wrong.
by following the scientific method we can find evidence to show us what is actually true
as theres no evidence for god, miracles, heaven or the supernatural, theres no reason to think or act as if any of them are true
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thunderheartful 5 months ago
@thunderheartful explain to me how the universe/mankind proves god exists, without starting a god of the gaps argument. Then explain to me how you know supernatural miracles/healing has occured without using the bible. for bonus points explain to me how a miracle occuring, like a blind person being able to see, would prove god exists. for your previous comments im not holding my breath
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thunderheartful 5 months ago
@thunderheartful let me leave you with this: Lev. 11:13, 19 'And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls...And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.'
dam those abominable storks
and why does a supernatural all knowing megagod call bat a bird? didnt he know that we were going to discover that bats arent birds? its almost like the bible wasnt written by an all knowing god at all, its almost like it was written by men, weird isnt it?
ajsatchwell 5 months ago
@thunderheartful You are clearly not a person who gives honest and clear answers because you have lacked to do so. I'm guessin it has something to do with the fact that you have no answers therefore why are you here trying to shove religion down peoples throats? Quoting the bible that is full of inaccurracies and inconsistances, that was written by men and not your god gives us no proof in the least of your god being true. So try and find some more logical proof plz.
TheLoudale 4 months ago
@TheLoudale. You are clearly a person with a closed mind and very biased views. The answers I have are the ones that I have received by God, by having an open mind. I do not expect you to understand this, however, since you present yourself as someone who only spouts questions and accusations at those who take a stand for something, especially if it takes more courage than you are willing to display. I do not try to force my religion on anyone. The Bible is not inaccurate or inconsistant.
thunderheartful 3 months ago
@thunderheartful Close minded,biased? hardly. I used to be a theist , i used to think exactly like you, honestly. How did you receive answers from god? what exactly did he tell you? and yes i ask questions, i'd like for someone to show me this god. You think i don't have courage? you don't think it takes courage to tell people you're an atheist? you don't know WHAT people have said to me. it isn't nice. The bible is fullof contradictions, inconsistances, and hateful things. i ask for real proof
TheLoudale 3 months ago
@doorkeeper1224 Went ahead and looked up your Genesis verses there. Nothing about it mentioned marriage. So lol. Maybe you can point it out.
And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Where was marriage mentioned?
BigLundi 7 months ago
@BigLundi Genesis 2:24-25 tell us a man shal leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife and they shall be one flesh. .... the man and his wife. Semantics is no excuse for looking over the obvious. The earth and its life forms are the creation of Almighty God. It is not scientific or honest to deny the truth. Just because someone does not believe it, does not make the truth into a lie. No one has to believe that Barack Obama is the President of the US, but it is still true.
thunderheartful 5 months ago
@thunderheartful "The earth and its life forms are the creation of Almighty God."
Ahem. Provide evidence. Oh, that's right, you can't.
Also, you ARE aware that peoople were getting married before the bible was written, right? The bible didn't originate it, even if those verses were trying to define marriage(which they didn't).
BigLundi 5 months ago
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thunderheartful 5 months ago
@thunderheartful The bible isn't recorded history sir. That's a completely inaccurate statement. It's scientifically inaccurate, it contradicts itself, and most of its claims are things not even backed up by any corroborative evidence.
The bible has not been shown to be a reliable source on any part of history. Please provide evidence that anyone should believe its claims. Also, I don't care about answers to spiritual questions, as there is no evidence that there is any such thing as spirits.
BigLundi 5 months ago
I swear i've heard this caller many times.
jcnabb22 7 months ago
@doorkeeper1224 lmao @ "you proved God created man by breathing." Are you fucking kidding me? Do you really not realize that's complete and utter nonsense? Human speech is not evidence of God. Don't talk about science and data and then make some bullshit claim like that if you want to be taken seriously. Stop trying to combine science and faith, it doesn't work. If you want to be a person of faith, good for you, but don't try to bastardize science to justify it.
Kritter42 7 months ago
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thunderheartful 5 months ago
@thunderheartful None of what you said just made any sense. Genesis is not scientific evidence and it is not a historical account of anything, it's at best a child's story and at worse an attempt at global brainwashing. Please don't preach to me. And DEFINITELY don't preach to me about the "science" of the bible, because that is complete nonsense. And God is not self-evident, that's just what one says when they want to refuse the burden of proof.
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thunderheartful 5 months ago
@thunderheartful OMG XD you actually try to use the bible as scientific evidence that god is real. Are you really beyond understanding any logic? And when Kritter42 debunked that you went back to verses. It must be easy to avoid and reject logic and evidence. You will never understand the REAL world as long as you believe in something so wrong that easily.
TheLoudale 4 months ago
echooooo~
echoooooooooooo~
eeeeeechoooooooooooo~
agsiar 7 months ago
@doorkeeper1224 which all sounds reasonable untill u you understand science. think of all the things we 'know' is true cus its stood the test of time.
we know absence makes the heart grow stronger, but we know out of sight out of mind.
just because something has been around for ages doesnt make it true.
science can be used to find out which statements are true.
everything needs to be proven if we are going to accept it as true, you need to prove god created man. no one has done so far
ajsatchwell 7 months ago
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nanocalp 7 months ago
@doorkeeper1224 But believing in things you can't observe gets you a ticket to the local psych hospital. Believing in something there is no evidence of even being able to exist is not a good sign.
nikeplektrum 7 months ago
@doorkeeper1224 Pascal's wager is a weak argument to be making, as far as that last little line is concerned, "Just because you cant see something, does not mean it is not there!", let me retort with a quote from Voltaire, "a witty line proves nothing"
4ThomasAllan 8 months ago
@4ThomasAllan
Another nice quote is (from Christopher Hitchens) "that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." Besides if god is so weak that he cannot see through a little risk calculation and false profession, then he's not nearly as infinitely wise as christians tend to make him out to be
sharkjack 8 months ago
@sharkjack it's actually an old Roman proverb which just goes to show how universally apparent that reasoning is, "quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur!"
4ThomasAllan 8 months ago
@4ThomasAllan Cool, I did not know that. I think It sounds better in english though
sharkjack 8 months ago
In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.
Patchykat11 8 months ago
Indeed ★★★★★
Katalyzt 8 months ago
@doorkeeper1224 just beacuse the book of lies(bible) says so, doesnt mean its true. why not any other religion. ? why this evil abomination called christianity.
christrapingavenue 8 months ago
@doorkeeper1224 Sad that evolution didnt work on you
christrapingavenue 8 months ago
@doorkeeper1224: "t is through his sacrificial life we have the offer of eternal life, through faith in His name"
What you have is an amusing story that makes no sense. It wouldn't even make good science fiction.
The plot of the bible has more holes than a Chinese whorehouse, and is chock full of every ugly thing imaginable. There is no eternal life and no "salvation of souls". It's all a load of nonsense for simple-minded people like you.
mikefromwa 8 months ago
@doorkeeper1224: "The simplicity of faith in Jesus Christ is somewhat different than "horescrap" as you put it."
It's the purest form of self-delusional horsecrap there is. Total and absolute horsecrap. Face it- you believe in a ridiculously stupid fairy tale that was cobbled together by a bunch of ignorant, desert-dwelling goat herders. You should be ashamed and embarrassed openly admit that you actually believe it.
mikefromwa 8 months ago
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@doorkeeper1224: "Those who will burn forever in hell" There is no hell, and no heaven either. Stop believing in this foolish fairy tale.
"The invisible God is the Father of us all" No, he's not. He doesn't exist. It's all just a silly story that you've chosen to believe in.
"I would not refer to Him as "sky daddy", that seems disrespectful." I don't care. He's a lie, your whole religion is a lie. And your religion is disgustingly disrespectful to all humans.
mikefromwa 8 months ago
@doorkeeper1224: "Freedom comes from God, only through Jesus Christ."
What a load of brainwashed drivel. Yes, be free by becoming a slave to the invisible magic man in the sky! Be free by submitting to a fairy tale that will control every minute and aspect of your life! Oh, how wonderful!
Yeah, I'd love to believe that silly garbage. How nice it must be to live in your little fantasy land.
mikefromwa 8 months ago
@doorkeeper1224: ""He wants everyone to be given a chance to choose whether or not to believe in Him."
And people who don't will burn forever in the fires of your imaginary Hell. Yeah, he's a sweetheart! What a guy!
"Others, however, want to stifle those willing to give everyone a choice!"
Others would just like you to stop your bronze-age babbling about some invisible sky-daddy. It's a tribute to your gullibility that you actually believe this horsecrap.
mikefromwa 8 months ago
A daughter having sex with her ''drunk'' father to get preggers comes from the Bible.
It's no wonder that monotheists have a bizarre sense of sexual morality, especially where children are concerned.
Zed1967 8 months ago
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@Zed1967: "It's no wonder that monotheists have a bizarre sense of sexual morality, especially where children are concerned. "
Yup. Publicly they're soooooooooo uptight about sex, yet they secretly like to have gay affairs (ala Ted Haggard) and rape children (like countless numbers of priests).
As near as I can tell, belief in religion is a pretty good sign of mental illness or low intelligence.
mikefromwa 8 months ago
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@doorkeeper1224: "I, seemingly, am very secure in my beliefs in the One True God,"
Congratulations, your brainwashing was a complete success.
mikefromwa 8 months ago
Marriage came on day 6 of creation by our Almighty and Wise Creator. This part of creation testifies of the provision God made when mankind would fail and fall into sin(i.e.Adam's transgression). The man being the husband to the wife represents a foreshadowing of the relationship of Jesus Christ and His eternal church (His body, His people). The two become one flesh represents those joined unto the Lord being one spirit. By this we can bring forth fruit unto God, and not be condemned by the law.
ReadPsalms1 8 months ago
@doorkeeper1224, a simple question for you; what did people believe in before knowledge of Jesus Christ was invented? 5000 years ago no knowledge of Jesus Christ existed in the world. People existed back then during that time. If going to heaven is based on belief in Jesus Christ, what about those people who lived 5000 years ago, or even 10,000 years ago? Don't they have souls too?
BogusJesus 8 months ago 4
@BogusJesus Haha, this is why some Christians believe the world is only 6,000 years old!
AndroidsDontDance 8 months ago
ignorance still abounds.
BogusJesus 8 months ago
Yeah Marriage didn't come from the bible, so did a bunch of other things, kind of like MORALITY
BARNEYRAPEDME69 8 months ago
It's really great that he admitted he was wrong rather than argue. I say good on him.
chibiariel 8 months ago 2
@chibiariel He is a recovering christian.
TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE 8 months ago
@doorkeeper1224 Freedom? Pahh. You're a slave to the scribblings of nomadic, superstitious men from 2000 years ago and you think you're free? You can't even think for yourself.
uknowispeaksense 9 months ago 57
@doorkeeper1224 STOP preaching. Try presenting a RATIONAL ARGUMENT with credible verifiable evidence (NOT scripture) to support your positive claim that a god exists. Just because you have many "cronies" who share your belief doesn't mean your belief is true.
tranquility4all 9 months ago 4
@doorkeeper1224 all i'm saying is i need my own proof, my belief or faith is not going to come from some guy in a lobby on youtube shaming me into it; nor is it going to come from one book....
donjuan78123 9 months ago
@doorkeeper1224 all i'm saying is i need my own proof, my belief or faith is not going to come from some guy in a lobby on youtube shaming me into it; nor is it going to some from one book....
donjuan78123 9 months ago
@doorkeeper1224 me and my cronies....not sure how to respond to that; i have always thought for myself and therefore don't believe i have "cronies" in a classical sense, but i suppose you meant by that "people who don't accpet jesus"...it's not that i'm opposed to belief/acceptance, it's just that, as far as other man's testimony, no i'm not going to take someone else's word for it....there are many teahcing of jesuse not found in the bible, some of which are contradictory to what that book says
donjuan78123 9 months ago
@donjuan78123 When it comes to idiots parotting rhetoric I usually don't even bother.
Savior20061 9 months ago
@doorkeeper1224 America a Christian nation? NO! the u.s constitution even makes it specific ,in the first ammendment, that religion will NOT be part of goverment or endorsed by it(for the sake of preventing religious oppression). Most of the founding fathers were'nt even Christian, most were diest and ambivalent about Christianity.
UndeadAppleTree 9 months ago 73
@UndeadAppleTree also the treaty of tripoli also stated in section 11 "The united States of AMerica is no way founded on the christian religion" Also kind of makes that clear :)
loudman12 7 months ago
@UndeadAppleTree
or check out the treaty c. 1800 with the Barbary States which says explicitly that the US is not based on Christianity (and that MAY, ie check on this, have been signed under John Adams, one of the more conservative founding fathers)
Daniel0112358 6 months ago
@doorkeepe
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
Treaty of Tripoli
qarohc 9 months ago 4
@doorkeeper1224 that's nice, sounds like me
donjuan78123 9 months ago
@doorkeeper1224 what u said was funny, cus u asserted something ridiculous without proof, so it made me lol. lol.
ajsatchwell 9 months ago
@doorkeeper1224 no, you need to read their writings; the founding fathers, for the most part, wanted to keep all religion away from government....of course, interpretation is everything when it comes to these matters.
donjuan78123 9 months ago
@doorkeeper1224 what good is recorded history if the recorders didn't understand what they were seeing? even today, historical events that happened in our lifetime have two or three differing opinions of them, EVEN RECORDED ONES....if you want a master, go ahead, but don't try to feed it to those of us who want to be free.
donjuan78123 9 months ago
Judging by the sound, they seem to be closet atheists...freaking annoying.
namnack 9 months ago
I feel like I'm under water while listening to this...
Mansacktastical 9 months ago