ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
CREATIONISTS RIGHT ABOUT ENTROPY. Read this Internet article. Entropy occurs in both open and closed systems. In every transfer of energy some of the energy becomes useless. Given enough time, all of the energy becomes useless and the universe cannot be sustained. Even in an open system, there has to be an already existing energy-converting, directing mechanism to develop order such as when a seed becomes a tree. Spontaneous order from chaos is not possible, not to any significant degree.
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator.
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital tissues, organs, reproductive systems were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life or the universe works doesn't mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete, living cell then the genetic code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell naturally originate when no directing code/mechanisms existed in nature?
ANY LIFE ON MARS CAME FROM EARTH! Read this Internet article. According to a Newsweek quoting a NASA scientist, in the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (now meteors) into outer space which could have reached Mars. Mars may literally have millions of tons of Earth soil.
THE SCIENCE SUPPORTING CREATION (Google this title to access the site). The site presents a collage of evidences from science supporting creation and refutes arguments by evolutionists (i.e. "flaws" in design of human eye, embryonic recapitulation, age of the earth, fossils, etc., etc.).
2 Ti 3:4 "Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."
1 Co 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
See, the Bible tells us about people that deny God his powers. Do you also deny the resurrection? You are corrupted and weak in faith.
@utubedetective72 Actually, many of the Bible strories originated in Babylon and other areas of Chaldea, including, likely one of the two versions of the creation of humans (the two stories in Genesis do not agree with each other, and it has not been difficult to determine that the rib story came from Babylon, where as the older of the two differing versions is authentic.
It is heartening to listen to your videos.You have vocalised most of my views on Creationism and Right-Wing Christian/nazi ideology.As a Greek Orthodox I revere knowledge and the ability to think for one's self,and abhor the narrowminded, hate filled, medieval superstition mentality of these so-called Christians.They are driving people headlong into crazy religions with their stupidity. Keep up the good work Father.
That is exactly what I believe has been happening to the church for years. Preaching end times and hell by hateful people who take joy in preaching that non Christians will burn in hell has done nothing but turn people away from and question the authenticity of the word of God.
Happy new year to you all and I promice you that everything will be revealed very soon. In the mean time, don't let men in funny hats lead you astray.
The man with the funny hat will be ashamed when he meets Jesus. To claim to be a Christian and at the same time deny God his creation is not a very nice thing to do.
@rabola55 Pretending that your superstitions are faith is not destined to succeed. God did indeed create the universe, but he was under no obligation to do it the way YOU think he should have. He did not ask your advice.
This man is wrong. The principles of evolution on a macro level, species, has never been proved or observed. Even the simplest smallest lifeforms are incredibly complex and it is a biochemic machinery of mindboggling complexity. And you can't reduce it to simpler parts, all parts must be there for the living cell system to function. To think that a cell like this formed from dead matter out of chance or as an accident is the most outrageous religion ever. It must have been created by God.
@Rethic My government teach the kids evolution in the schools, they have no proof but they are not silent are they? They push the evolution theory every day in schools and in the media. To think that complex life systems are created by chanse is absurd. The science clearly says that all systems go toward chaos, that's the 2nd law of thermodynamics and it proves that life without a creator God is false.
@Rethic Please don't be arrogant, because we are talking about serious issues here. What proof do you have for evolution? None. I just gave you one proof for creation and that is the fact that science, the law of entropy, says that complex systems must be designed, the natural tendency is that systems decay, they go toward chaos. That is also what we observe. Species become less in number and more and more corrupted by the environment. Darwin didn't know anything about a living cell, but we do.
@rabola55 You want proof for evolution? Stop lying to yourself and read something about evolution. There was enough evidence for Darwin and we now have 10 times the evidence we had. Just be honest and pick up a book on evolution. You can lie to yourself about god, but don't lie to yourself about science.
You have still failed to provide any proof to support your statements that Evolution is false.
I don't much care as to how you would like to think of the universe, as long as it stays within the confines of your delussional mind. If you are however going to go out of your way to spout unsubstantiated dogma and religious brainwashing. I suggest you scrap that entire idea, and simply dig a hole, drop down and stay there.
@Rethic Wow you really are a tough guy. LOL! I encourage you to seek the truth because the truth will set you free. Don't let our socialist governments drag you down. When the functions of the living cell was revealed in the 20th century the scientists were stumped by the enourmous complexity. If you bother to do some research you will find that there's no proof whatsoever supporting evolution. The laws of physics say that nothing in nature increase in complexity. The burden of proof is on you.
@rabola55 Let me take you to school, kiddo; I never stated that Creationism was false, nor did i provide any ''proof'' to support anything i said. I never stated that there was any proof that Evolution was true, nor did i provide any ''proof'' to support anything i said. I have no desire or need to prove anything to you or anyone else. If you are going to argue with someone, then please, try to be atleast decently intelligent about it. You have failed so utterly, and it's so much fun.
@rabola55 Actually, they have massive proof of it from multiple sources. Your are the one with no proof, and appeals to how you "feel" are not valid. There is no doubt that God created the universe (and perhaps the others one that also exist). Evolution does not deny that, it only clarifies the process.
@allsaintsmonastery No no, you really need to to take a break from this rubbish yt channel and study what science says. They have no clue about the origin of life or the evolution process. You see the evolution theory is not science driven, it is a social engineering tool. It is used to keep the dumb masses in bondage under socialist governments. The State must be in control at the top, not God, and we are evolved amoebas which opens up the whole eugenics evil. The truth will set you free.
@rabola55 That isn't helpful, everyone can look at the evidence. People can only be indoctrinated as long as they remain inside the fundamentalist circle. Creationism is creating atheism... vicious, angry, justified atheism.
Hi Merlin hope you are well & that your crystal-ball is not on the blink!
Scientists came up with billions of years plus or minus millions? They seem to keep changing those numbers over the centuries? Any chance I can see the mathematical workings-out/error rate/probability over those billions of years? If everything evolved from primordial swill by God's Will as you elequently put - there should be billions of "links" between the species -why not 1 for man? Did God create the first "gene"?
@jediniAleks The thing is, we can't correctly determine an actual age, for it's such a long time frame, it'd be almost illogical to figure it out, because there'd be too many factors we'd need to include. With the factorst that we have determined, we have come up with a number which would be closest to the begining, yet on ethat is not exact, but still the roughest estimate possable. So I hope that clears up the age confusion. :)
So we did come from lizard, did we? Which is came from rock soup? My lecturers at the university teach me that and I'm trying to believe in that story, but it is hard. Dear Father, can you please help me and explain in more details how something so complex like human evolved from rock and water, and is any God's role there.
@888Ioan Where on earth do you people come up with the lunacy you put forward. Lizard? Why a lizard? How about a plain old simple Eukariote. CreationISM is still and ISM. Of course God created - as the Apostolic Creed says, Christ was the actual Creator. He, perhaps did not ask your opinion about his methods first and this irritates you, but He did a good enough job without your instructions. Evolved? Of course we evolved. We are complex Eukaryotes. God did it His way.
@allsaintsmonastery whooo slow down.....I expected you to be more humble .... As I said that is how they teaching at the university, not my story. However thank you for clearing that up. I glad someone telling the truth, as looks like they lied at religion education as well, when they said that God created Adam & Eve etc. So God did not created those characters, but a lot of Eucaryotes?
@888Ioan The unfolding of life and humanity follows the Eternal Will of God. It unfolds from the potential that God created into the actual that He has willed. There is an evolutionary process to all things, but there is no process that is now willed by God and which does not follow the Eternal Will. The story of Adam and Eve has some great meaning, but the narrative condences a great deal into a small space. To be a literalists about the narrative is to destroy its actual meaning.
@888Ioan well greetings from Romania, i have to agree with father, he didnt say what you just mentioned at all, all he sais is that science and religion must go hand in hand, but through the spectrum of the Bible ! protestantism is also to be blaimed for the apparition of atheism, because it was with the reform whe the illuminist current appeared
"Hate" in The Christian church? When did the Orthdox Church burn someone for science, thinking differently or crusade? This is the Western experience not Eastern which is poles apart. Read some more. The law of the universe is that for every action there is a re-action - why then this vacuum in evloution calculation? I put it to you sir that you are also a psuedo-scientists when you complain without proof. Pls be specific when mixing "unicorns", cults & Orthodoxy. Your hiding the True Light.
@jediniAleks Not sure where you are coming from. Of course there is a lot of hate within Christianity. There is also sufficient hatred preached and practised within the Orthodox Church. The Crusades were something exceptional. The Orthodox world never had a war inspired by religion. That was more a western phenom. Only a few heretics were burned to death in the Orthodox world, but there have been some very ugly events also. The murder of Hypatia took place in the Orthodox Church, for example
@allsaintsmonastery No there is no hate in True Cristianity as it is an oxymoron. Chirst was Love and not hate. Anyone can call themself a "christian" with a small "c" as many do -but just because someone says it -dose not make it so. Are you speaking of the murder of the Hellenistic philosopher Hypatia? Historians disagree over the extent of his responsibility for these events.
Those who hate are NOT Orthodox at that moment or from then on if continue to hate in same manner. Orthodoxy is Forgiveness and Repentance through the True Humbling and Loving Example of Christ. Christ is Peace so if I offend you - forgive me. The people/mob rarely discern Western & Eastern Christianity and clarity to protect Christs message of humbled sacrfice should not be lost in ur message. Preach Christ. There is little maths or even "workings" in evolution numbers as too many reactions.
@jediniAleks Jedin: you are a bit kooky here in this response. Actually, Scientific (socalled) Creationism is pure pseudo-science, and is one of the sources of modern atheism. I am not an evolutionary biologist nor a medical researcher so I don't deal so musch with evolutionary aspects in those realms, but the principles of evolution are very much part of modern medicine. I do realise that there are some people who still believe that bacteria are demons, but it really is not true.
Hi. I am an atheist, a secular humanist, and I hope, aim, and strive to be a rational and reasonable human being.
And I want to thank you, very much, for sharing this video. I am not sure if you are the speaker or not, but either way this is a good message to be out there.
Atheism vs Theism, I would prefer this go back to a philosophical discussion. One which is absent of the lies and misrepresentations of the Creationist movement.
I don't mind losing that debate, I just want it to be honest
@eltzar72 The "Religious Rightwing" really does believe in the "santified lie." Often, they know very well that what they are saying is not true, and it never seems to dawn on them that wilful lying is immoral.
I'm an atheist, but I have a lot of love for Christianity and Christians. I think you're right about creationist pseudoscience being harmful to Christianity -- I've posited the same, myself, for some time now. Theology must adapt to the times, and if it doesn't, it will die out. In fact, I went to a fundamentalist school and was taught the whole creationism story, including some weird stuff about pink skies and ice domes, and I think that's when i began to question the veracity of scripture.
Most Christians don't understand the scientific arguments supporting creationism. Please read my popular Internet articles: NATURAL LIMITS OF EVOLUTION, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS, SECOND COMING OF CHRIST MISUNDERSTOOD, CONSERVATIVE THEOLOGIAN NO LONGER BELIEVES ETERNAL TORMENT (Explains why eternal punishment in the Bible does not mean eternal torment).
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible in nature (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). Species couldn't have survived while their vital tissues, organs, biological systems were still evolving. Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species.
@Mogley52 I have read all such arguments, and they are bunk. Evolution is a reality, and this means evolution pre-biotic substances to modern humans. I am not interested in ideologies which one attempts to base in science, but unsuccessfully.
@allsaintsmonastery Evolution is a lie from the pit of hell. "I walked into my room the other day, and there was this computer there. I don't know how it got there in the first place; it must have just appeared all on its own. And the good thing is that, over time, it has improved itself, all on its own, to keep up with the changing environment of data and information. When I first saw it, it was a Z-100 computer. Then, it became a Z-286, and then it changed, all on its own, to a 486 computer.
@allsaintsmonastery Now, it is a Pentium 4. I fully expect that one day, all on its own, my desktop computer will morph into a laptop, because it "knows" that it must be mobile to survive in today's environment. AND... The software brain that runs the machine has also evolved, all by itself. It once was DOS 6.0 software, but that soon evolved into Windows 95, then Windows 98, then Windows ME, then Windows XP, and finally, it has morphed into Windows Vista.----
@allsaintsmonastery ----And all of these changes came about with no master intelligence whatsoever..overseeing..the..process!"
Isaiah 40:26 Lift up your eyes on high, and see who hath created these things: who bringeth out their host by number, and calleth them all by their names: by the greatness of his might, and strength, and power, not one of them was missing.
@Mogley52 What is a "kind?" Is something a "kind" if it shares the same colloquial name ("dog," "cat," etc.)? Where's the science? There's no such thing as a "kind" because all organisms, alive and dead, are part of a continuum of diversification. I'm a Christian, the origins account is a folktale acting as apocalyptic prophecy, and evolution is true.
@Mogley52 "Evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible in nature (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human)."
Just a note: Modern worms have had 4.5 billion years of evolution. Humans have had 4.5 billion years of evolution. Chimpanzees have had 4.5 billion years of evolution. Snakes have had 4.5 billion years of evolution (see a pattern)? We did NOT evolve from modern worms. If someone told you that, they are misrepresenting evo.
@Mogley52 If worms spontaneously turned into human beings, that would pretty much disprove evolutionary biology. Long story short: that's not how it works, and that's not how anybody proposes it works. It's a straw man erected by creationists who either have an extremely poor grasp of biology, or else are okay with the notion of "lying for Christ".
and one of my evolutionist buddies went overkill, he knocked up a female ape, wanted to prove to some ignorant creationist idiot he knew that creationism is bullshit, so he got a female ape prego, and out popped a ape that was also human, exactly like what the first humans were like! amazing! I love seeing more proof like this! the ape-man baby loved banana pudding, and bananas were hard to keep around the house.
and for all you stupid creationists, evolution is true! here is one obvious example: I randomly threw a bunch of random ingredients into a random bowl, and over millions of milli seconds it randomly turned into a random cake, by total fucking chance, hahaha thats mind blowing! who woulda thunk??!! i saw it slowly edge over and sneak into the fridge when i opened it to grab a cold beer. wish that kinda shit happened more but i am now a evolutionist baby!
what we need is more pressure on the street venders to stay off the lawn grass and stop waiting by the fence gates for the little kids to come out, its just wrong and low, kids are always suckered into buying a lolipop and rotting their teeth out of their little skulls. what a shame..... :(
grrr, I was liking this guy, he looks like a smart fellow with the whole beard thing he has going and the little globe he has in front of him, and he was making sense when he was explaining about how so many kids growing up in christian homes have left religion behind, but then he went to his belief that the earth is billoins of years old and humans have only been around 700k years etc....... I never see any of these guys go into detail about how the first guy came up with the old date!
@jonwalliser As to how someone came up with the first date, that is, 7000 B.C. (-+); it is simple -- that is the epoch in which writing was invented and the oral tradition and myths began to be put to writing. How one comes up with the date of humans being around, that depends on whether you included proto hominids and which category of homo you consider to be the "break through." Are talking about modern humans or the precursor homo species. There have been some interesting genetic studies.
I must say that this video contains the most sensible statements that I have heard from a member of the clergy in years... You are very true in that most creationists and evangelicals are pushing people into atheism. Truthfully, I love when young minds are exposed to a myriad of options and not just one that their parents subscribe to. Thank you for showing me that not all clergy are immune to common sense. Although I am an atheist, I have much respect for people like this gentleman.
@allsaintsmonastery Sir, I have great respect for you and would like to talk to you via inbox. I'm not Eastern Orthodox, but still hold to much of (if not all) of what it teaches. I would also like to advise you from my tiny knowledge bank of merely 17 years to observe the following: Feed not the trolls! :P *cough*jonwalliser*cough*
I am an Orthodox catechuman at the moment, and personally, if Orthodoxy were to endorse evolution, I would probably back out. But, Orthodoxy neither confirms, nor denies it at the moment, even though I have yet too meet a priest or bishop in Orthodoxy that would endorse it. Recently at the University of California in Irvine California, they found NO genetic evidence for evolution. This was a study done by pro evolutionists..the theory is not that sound
@Castleman711Actually, there are a number of Orthodox clergy and hierarchs who do accept it quite matter of factly, and of course they would because it happens to be true and irrefutable. Either you have faith in God and you live with the truth, or have no faith, only a personal ideology, and if God did not do it the way you want Him ot have, then you won't believe? Why, because God does not obey you and endorse you ideology? Earth is over 4 billion years old. You cannot change that.
@Castleman711 I cannot imagine who, at UC would have said such a thing. I will write to a colleague at UCLA and ask about it. The genetic evidence is overwhelming, and clearly tells us that we contain the genes of three different species of homo- of which Neanderthal is one. Again, either you believe in God or you do not, but rather have some sort of phantasy. If you wish to think that the chronology in Gen. can be taken literally, you are in very real trouble spiritually.
@allsaintsmonastery Thanks for the reply. I will send you a private message with the links I read about the research done out here in Southern California. Also, I am not closed minded with this matter, since I was proven wrong before as a protestant..I only worry that people who are looking into Orthodoxy from protestantism would be very cautious, or not even spend time looking into Orthodoxy at all because of evolution. When I was a protestant, I held to an old earth frame work view of creation
@Castleman711 Of course it is not easy. particularly when people trap themselves in the notion that "every word of Scripture was personally written by God and is infallible." They you ask, "does the sun also arise??" "Does the sun know its time for setting?" (the sun neither rises nor sets, and it does not know anything. So did God write that, and He did not even know that the earth rotates on its axis and the Sun does not move? Why would he personally tells us about the rape if Dinah? etc.
@Castleman711 There are variations in points of view on very many things in the Orthodox Church, and like everywhere else, they depend ultimately on the political spectrum to which one belongs. However, the question of Evolution is not so simple because the evidence is overwhelming despite a few dissenting opinions. With regard to things necessary, we have to remember that all the dogmatic matters in the Church flow from the Incarnation of God, the Nativity of Christ, not from cosmology.
@Castleman711 Also, I have to note that in the past 35 years of lecturing at universities in the US, Canada and Europe, when I ask people why the left Christianity, no one ever has mentioned Evolution, but rather Christian Fundmentalsim, hypocrisy and bigotry, and of course, the doctrine of Atonement. More people have left the Church because of the dogmaticly stated denial of science and Evollution. I find all over the world faithful Christians who are comfortable with the reality of evolution
That's pretty stereotypical of you to categorize Christians as being this culprit that deludes people into such belief. Maybe you should be a little more open and think about what you said. It is something like what you just said that gives me reason to stay away from philosophical arguments against religion. My belief and faith is private and between God and myself. Jesus explained how we should pray in Matthew 6:5-6. Stereotypical bias people are the reason for these arguments.
@TheStigmadeign You may be keeping your faith and beliefs a secret, but the Fundamentalist and Evangelical world are most certainly not. Any they are driving people away from Christianity. It would be a sin for me not to speak up about it. Perhaps in your tradition you would not understand that, but the position of a Bishop in our tradition requires me to speak about such matters.
@allsaintsmonastery Trdition? I don't follow doctrines of faith or Methods of worship. I follow what Jesus said in Matthew 6:5-6. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward...continued
@allsaintsmonastery 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
@shadowgeyser They can be correct, right on the mark in what they say, but I do not trust vulgar people because they cannot possibly be sincere. People who are incapable of civil discourse may also be not be capable of sincerity. You may do as you wish, but I will never, ever trust a person cannot express him/herself without vulgarity.
Sir, You said what I have wanted to say for so long, and far better than I ever could say it. At the end, when you challenged the faith of creationists, I found it to be very powerful. Your ideas could go far to bolster Christianity. Here is much respect from an atheist to a brother of faith.
very well said .we live in the 21st century it's time that we understand that the world wasn't created in seven days or stuff like that.Creationism doctrine and some religions are a disease who have long overstayed their welcome on this planet.Man must not turn to ancient text and take it literally .
First of all... anyone ever told you that you look like Dumbledore? :) Second, I couldnt agree more on creationists and that new wave of megachurches corporation-like run ministries. Soo, can I ask you, why do you believe? I mean I believe too... that there is a thing uncomprihensively greater and older than me, that I am product of (Cosmos) but I always wondered how can anyone tell that it has mind or a plan? And dont get me wrong I love me some mythology.
@KronosDeret Usually it is Gandolf that I am told I resemble. We are all children of the stars. Everytime a star explodes, it dies for us because it casts out the elements of life to fall as seed where they will.
I am an atheist, but not because I had deconverted from some religion, as I never had one forced upon me. I have always tried to be rational, & above all, peaceful whenever possible. It is a shame that many theists do not seem to hold the view that you do. The unkindness of many "Christians" in the U.S. is incredibly appalling & painful. The interference posed within our school system is frustrating. I really do hope they come around to being reasonable, sooner rather than later.
@razredge07 Generally, the way people express their religion is shaped by their political orientation. Personally, I believe that ultra-conservatism is a birth defect cause by an enlarged amygdala region in the brain (the "fear" centre). Fear is a powerful motivator, and fear of some eternal "hell" can motivate, fear of change, fear of whatever is new, fear of uncertainties (the need for absolutes) all can lead to great cruelty. It really is tragic.
@allsaintsmonastery I wouldn't go so far as to say their fear had a physical cause, although I am intrigued by the idea & can certainly see some evolutionary advantages as well as disadvantages when such a region is modified. Sadly, it would be unethical to test your hypothesis. Fear, though beneficial in some amounts, can be crippling if it takes precedence over intellect. It both saddens and amuses me to think my first introduction to Christianity was a fear tactic - believe or be damned.
@Paxmax I suspect that a goodly number of Christians in the U.S. are atheists, but remain religious because it is their "patriotic duty" to be religious, and Christianity is a cultural affectation. In Canada, there are no such obligations, so anyone who is an atheist does not have to pretend otherwise in order to get elected to Parliament or a city council.
Religious people....please pay attention to this message. When you try to push the creation bullshit....you totally undermine any other message you have. When rational people hear creationism....they disregard anything else that follows. Stop pushing creationism and people might take your other messages seriously. You lose ALL credibility when you spout creation bullshit.
@ProofPleez I always tune out when people cannot express themselves without vulgarity. One cannot take seriously a person who must resort to vulgarity in order to make his/her point. Of course, that includes many Fundamentalist Christians. You would be surprised at how many Fundys attack me with the same vulgarity. Vulgar people cannot be trusted, no matter what they say.
@allsaintsmonastery Our definition of vulgarity is obviously different sir. I find threats of hell fire and eternal torture vulgar and offensive. I find divisiveness and slavery and murder and genocide vulgar and offensive...yet this "good book" is filled with it. My use use of a descriptive bovine body function pales in comparison to this murderous vindictive and egotistical "god" and the vulgarity that he commands and advocates. Thank you for the feedback.
@ProofPleez Perhaps, but I am not threatening people with "hell fire," and indeed, Orthodox Christianity does not even believe or teach that there is a place called "hell," or an actual fire, or demons will be torturing people "for all eternity." There is no doubt that, especially the books of Judges and Chronicles, are monstrous. If one were to illustrate the Book of Judges, it would be classed as pornography and not allowed across the Canadian border. But it does not excuse one's own vulgarity
@allsaintsmonastery In my mind sir, one of the greatest faults of christianity is the inability to decipher the "truth". How many different sects of this monotheism? I have heard estimates of between 20.000 and 30,000! If there actually was a celestial dictator who is sharing the "truth"., it would be unambiguous and clear to all. Orthodox, Protestant, Catholic....put whatever interpretation you like on it....it relinquishes personal responsibility. You are offended by words but not immorality?
@allsaintsmonastery with all due respect, what is vulgarity? One might say that it is the use of language and terms that some find offensive, though I often wonder, why are said words found to be offensive? I believe this all came from the term "swearing" which I understand to be someone speaking out in anger or cursing; so when one says "oh darnit!", is that vulgar? Also I tend to disagree that "vulgar people cannot be trusted" because that has nothing to do with their points or their messages.
I actually enjoyed this video, and listening to some religious guy rant on is somehting that I dont go for, but I am glad I did, this was a very logical and refreshing view from a person who is clearly very thoughtful and intelligant.
If everyone was working on a similar vein, then I would be a happy man, but he is right, Creationists are liars and those who are not, are utterly ignorant, sometimes deliberately so.
@FatRakoon Some of them lie, knowing very well that they are lying, and that raises the question of whether they actually believe, or are just defending the the source of their manipulative power over hapless Christians. What troubles me a great deal is that the same demagogues preach so much hate and fear. But fear is great power that can lead people to do horrible things (not to mention send more money). Evolution is a reality that can be denied, but not succesfully.
If the Bible is the word of God, then EVERYTHING in the Bible is the word of God. And choosing which parts are literal and which are actual is just a copout. The fact is that if the Bible were true, there would not be undeniably false statements in it like that the earth is flat and rests on pillars like a table.
@blackkakari For an atheist, you are quite fundamentalist. Actually, there is a lot of metaphor in the Bible, and it could not be otherwise, since the older a language the richer the metaphor. That being said, one must also note that the sun does not "also ariseth," nor does it "knoweth its going down" (actually, it "knoweth" very little, it just hovereth up there and burns). There are not only such anomalies in the bible (the Bible does, by the way speak of the "curvature of the earth)
@blackkakari but there is a great deal of savagery, crimes against humanity and war crimes that we no longer tolerate, but you may or may not know that most Christians do not actually read the Bible, they take it for granted that what their preacher is saying to them is true, and that makes the whole scene much more dangerous as religious demagogues manipulate in much the same way that Hitler did. One might wonder how many moslems actually read the Koran.
Finally a Christian with a conscience. This man has something to say, I wouldn't deny him the right to say what he's saying. Most likely his experience is beyond the normal, he's speaking the truth and he's definitely an asset to those who believe in God. While not always rational, he speaks from his heart the truth about evolution and scientific theory.
@allsaintsmonastery It is not that we should ignore old testament. Since the new laws were made for the new generations. If we do not know our past we are doomed to forget, and redo the same mistakes. By you saying not to acknowledge old testament You are forgetting about the prophecy of Jesus being spoken in Isaiah CH 53. By the old testament we know that we have the same God of Isaac, Jacob, Abraham, and Joseph & Moses. Just BCUZ old laws do not apply does not mean we let go of our history.
@Dudex58 Dude, no one is forgetting about anything. We commemorate the OT prophecies about Christ in every single divine service. The Old Law (mostly borrowed from Hammurabi and from Semitic Common Law) simply does not apply to us. We are, indeed, under a "law," but it really is a law of love for Christ and neighbour.
Thank you good sir, for making this video. You have helped lift my attitude towards the vocal (I hope minority) of fundamental Christians here in the United States. I could only hope there were more people able to look at the world with both faith and an open mind in my country, except just having faith.
I would, if he would stop talking about turning to atheism as if that is a bad thing. Most atheists simply don't believe any of the claims of Christianity because there is not a single shred of evidence for it, and the Orthodox version is not any better than the others.
Not saying allsaints made this claim, but I personally find an attitude like "The Bible predicted the Big Bang theory and evolution, and the Genesis 1 creation narrative matches up perfectly with the scientific consensus and contains no scientific inaccuracies, and the global flood story was never meant to be taken literally and therefore its falsehood doesn't matter" to be just as much of an intellectually dishonest form of denial as young-earth creationism.
@tifforo1 There are many, many claims made by CreationISM (note the ISM) that are absurd. We have no idea how the Flood story was meant to be taken by the original writers of it, but it certainly has been taken literally. My main concern is not so much with this, as with the cruelty and malice that arise from Fundamentalism, and the violence that it causes. I am simply going after some of the root justifications for the evil of Funadm. Christianity.
@allsaintsmonastery I gotta say, with your beard and how you're dressed in this video you look a lot like a priest of some sort. Just pointing that out as a person who appreciates irony. : )
@allsaintsmonastery "We have no idea how the Flood story was meant to be taken by the original writers of it," in regards to this, I vaguely remember watching a documentary of sorts. It centered around the idea that the "world-wide" flood may have been an unusual local flood that simply spread for miles. From the perspective of someone in that time frame, if they traveled for a few days & still saw water, then they might've assumed the whole world was covered. The idea seems plausible.
@allsaintsmonastery i totally agree with you, skateboarding and chewing gum are a bad idea when done with a few beers in your system. we all need to be good friends and keep our friends from drinking, chewing gum and skateboarding!!!!!! thumbs up if you agree!
@tifforo1 Many people who point out that these old stories aren't meant to be taken literally are doing so to explain WHY the falsehood of these tales matters, not brush off or ignore the fact that they're not true. Ignoring the rather obvious symbolic style of these old tales and treating them as if they were real historical events is just moronic. I'm an atheist, but I'm frequently mistaken for a religious person in denial because I understand these myths as myths.
@sorrypapawxz Actually, I knew what you meant, I was just adding a bit of humour. Of course, modern humans have been around for a shorter time than proto-humans.
@allsaintsmonastery why can't all religious folks be like you? Oh right...most people are stupid. I really appreciate your effort and respect your wise words so keep up the good work. Nice astrolobe by the way.
man, if scientific education were the answer to mankind's ills, we'd all be free. there's enough science, and many people are more miserable than ever. upholding a scientific worldview doesn't change a thing either. i'm agnostic to the whole issue at this point. do many organisms share a common ancestor? most likely. but regardless, creationists are not idiots and they are a large segment of the worlds population spanning all religions. to relegate them to idiocy is just arrogance.
@tgz1000 Well of course people were much better off before antibiotics, clean water and sanitation. They died more happily from the Spanish (Swine) Flu epidemic, tuberculosis, measles and small pox than people do now. And a life expentancy of 45 years was doubtless better than one of 80. I believe absolutely that everything that exists was created by God and that Christ Jesus has liberated us from bondage to the fear of death and given us everlasting life. But most "isms" cause trouble.
@Nerpha On my desk there is an astrolb, a sizeable 2million+ year old rock with the remains of intertidal bivalve shells and other imprints, and small bronze statue of a famous racehorse and assorted books and clutter. Sometimes, I actually clear enough space to work at my desk. I hope to add a working sextant and a few other antique navigational diviices to the collection eventually.
Watching this video has made my day that much better. It's nice to know some Christians have a square head on their shoulder, and respond to logic. There is some hope.
Blood Atonement didn't come about until the 1800s. It is only practiced by fundamentalist Mormons.
Not all Evangelicals are Sectarian and not all sectarians are evangelical.
You are only describing Young Earth Creationism, not Creationism as a whole. There is also Gap and Progressive Creationists. Progressive Creationists are nothing as you describe. In fact all you are saying match with Progressive Creationism.
@LinkMEP Not quite so. Augustine of Hippo, the great Latin heresiarch, conceived Blood Atonement, Double Predestination and the heretical doctrine of Original Sin (guilt transmitted through the sex act, onto innocent babies). It was Anselm of Canterbury, in A.D.1000 who defined the doctrine of Blood Atonement, which then became current in Roman Catholicism, and entered nascent Luteranism a few centuries later. About Progressive Creationism: that is a new one to me. Never heard of it before.
@LinkMEP The Latin/Sectarian doctrine of Atonement was based, by Anselm, on the medieval Law of the Dual. Anslem, as with many of those raised on the rationalism of Aristotle and the dialectic of the law court, could not reconcile themselves with the Christian doctrine of redemption, so they replaced it with the Atonement heresy, and the incorporated the name (but not the Traditional doctrine) of Redemption/Salvation. The new doctrine taught that Christ died to satisfy God's justice and fulfil,
@LinkMEP through a human sacrifice for blood atonement, an imaginary "just death penalty" for mankind (but it would not help those who are not predestinged for salvation). There are variations on this theme, but the entire concept is a legal fiction, self-contradictory (you cannot have both punishment and forgiveness; they are mutually exclusive and contradictory). While the roots of this heresy go back to Augustine, it was Anselm who introduced it as a doctrine in A.D.1005 (+-) with his book
I cannot tell you how many times I have been in mainstream Protestant churches where the minister/pastor/whatever was an Evangelical or had Evangelical leanings or ideas and basically tried to push the idea that blood atonement and Christianity are the same thing.
"All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and all our good deeds are like filthy rags to God, therefore we are doomed to eternal separation from God unless we accept Christ: the Way, the Truth, and the Light. No one comes to the father except through him. He took the punishment for our misdeeds so that we could be saved through a personal relationship with Him. Without the cross, the blood, and the resurrection, our lives mean nothing."
@allsaintsmonastery Sorry, I looked into it and apparently there are two different things called blood atonement, and we were each thinking of different ones. I was thinking of the concept that the sin of murder is so heinous that the only way a murderer can be forgiven is by being ritualistically sacrificed, which is only practiced by fundamentalist Mormons.
I definitely agree with you that sectarianism and young earth creationism are the primary causes of people leaving the faith.
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ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
Mogley52 1 week ago
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SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
Mogley52 1 week ago
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CREATIONISTS RIGHT ABOUT ENTROPY. Read this Internet article. Entropy occurs in both open and closed systems. In every transfer of energy some of the energy becomes useless. Given enough time, all of the energy becomes useless and the universe cannot be sustained. Even in an open system, there has to be an already existing energy-converting, directing mechanism to develop order such as when a seed becomes a tree. Spontaneous order from chaos is not possible, not to any significant degree.
Mogley52 1 week ago
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EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator.
Mogley52 1 week ago
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NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital tissues, organs, reproductive systems were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
Mogley52 1 week ago
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EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life or the universe works doesn't mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete, living cell then the genetic code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell naturally originate when no directing code/mechanisms existed in nature?
Mogley52 1 week ago
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ANY LIFE ON MARS CAME FROM EARTH! Read this Internet article. According to a Newsweek quoting a NASA scientist, in the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (now meteors) into outer space which could have reached Mars. Mars may literally have millions of tons of Earth soil.
Mogley52 1 week ago
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THE SCIENCE SUPPORTING CREATION (Google this title to access the site). The site presents a collage of evidences from science supporting creation and refutes arguments by evolutionists (i.e. "flaws" in design of human eye, embryonic recapitulation, age of the earth, fossils, etc., etc.).
Mogley52 1 week ago
Faith is not evidence,enogh said.
philosophicalreason 2 weeks ago
I think it was Narwhals I think it was the vikings that hunted them and said they where unicorns.
philosophicalreason 2 weeks ago
2 Ti 3:4 "Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."
1 Co 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
See, the Bible tells us about people that deny God his powers. Do you also deny the resurrection? You are corrupted and weak in faith.
rabola55 2 weeks ago
I love this video
JohnTheHutDweller 1 month ago
The unicorn is simply a rhino. PM me for a vid on this subject.
The ox theory is unbiblical for 2 reasons:
1. Where it says unicorn in Job it also says that it cannot be tamed
2. The sideways depictions of oxen are babylonian. If you learn anything from the OT it is that you don't go to babylon for biblical interpretation
utubedetective72 1 month ago in playlist Evolution
@utubedetective72 Actually, many of the Bible strories originated in Babylon and other areas of Chaldea, including, likely one of the two versions of the creation of humans (the two stories in Genesis do not agree with each other, and it has not been difficult to determine that the rib story came from Babylon, where as the older of the two differing versions is authentic.
allsaintsmonastery 3 weeks ago
@allsaintsmonastery lol two stories in genesis don't agree with each other? Damn atheist bs
utubedetective72 5 days ago
Vladika, please educate the other clergy on this issue. It is vital for our Church. God bless!
AegeanKing 1 month ago
It is heartening to listen to your videos.You have vocalised most of my views on Creationism and Right-Wing Christian/nazi ideology.As a Greek Orthodox I revere knowledge and the ability to think for one's self,and abhor the narrowminded, hate filled, medieval superstition mentality of these so-called Christians.They are driving people headlong into crazy religions with their stupidity. Keep up the good work Father.
laiosto 1 month ago
That is exactly what I believe has been happening to the church for years. Preaching end times and hell by hateful people who take joy in preaching that non Christians will burn in hell has done nothing but turn people away from and question the authenticity of the word of God.
johnRc1963 1 month ago
Happy new year to you all and I promice you that everything will be revealed very soon. In the mean time, don't let men in funny hats lead you astray.
rabola55 2 months ago
The man with the funny hat will be ashamed when he meets Jesus. To claim to be a Christian and at the same time deny God his creation is not a very nice thing to do.
rabola55 2 months ago
@rabola55 Pretending that your superstitions are faith is not destined to succeed. God did indeed create the universe, but he was under no obligation to do it the way YOU think he should have. He did not ask your advice.
allsaintsmonastery 3 weeks ago
This man is wrong. The principles of evolution on a macro level, species, has never been proved or observed. Even the simplest smallest lifeforms are incredibly complex and it is a biochemic machinery of mindboggling complexity. And you can't reduce it to simpler parts, all parts must be there for the living cell system to function. To think that a cell like this formed from dead matter out of chance or as an accident is the most outrageous religion ever. It must have been created by God.
rabola55 2 months ago
@rabola55 Proof or silence
Pick one
Rethic 2 months ago
@Rethic My government teach the kids evolution in the schools, they have no proof but they are not silent are they? They push the evolution theory every day in schools and in the media. To think that complex life systems are created by chanse is absurd. The science clearly says that all systems go toward chaos, that's the 2nd law of thermodynamics and it proves that life without a creator God is false.
rabola55 2 months ago
@rabola55 AGAIN...
I want proof, or silence.
Your level understanding may not be able to grasp this very simple statement, but i'll give you this second chance.
Rethic 2 months ago
@Rethic Please don't be arrogant, because we are talking about serious issues here. What proof do you have for evolution? None. I just gave you one proof for creation and that is the fact that science, the law of entropy, says that complex systems must be designed, the natural tendency is that systems decay, they go toward chaos. That is also what we observe. Species become less in number and more and more corrupted by the environment. Darwin didn't know anything about a living cell, but we do.
rabola55 2 months ago
@rabola55 You want proof for evolution? Stop lying to yourself and read something about evolution. There was enough evidence for Darwin and we now have 10 times the evidence we had. Just be honest and pick up a book on evolution. You can lie to yourself about god, but don't lie to yourself about science.
DDazzle1 2 months ago
@rabola55 I tried, twice.
You have still failed to provide any proof to support your statements that Evolution is false.
I don't much care as to how you would like to think of the universe, as long as it stays within the confines of your delussional mind. If you are however going to go out of your way to spout unsubstantiated dogma and religious brainwashing. I suggest you scrap that entire idea, and simply dig a hole, drop down and stay there.
I grow weary of your hollow ranting.
Rethic 2 months ago
@Rethic Wow you really are a tough guy. LOL! I encourage you to seek the truth because the truth will set you free. Don't let our socialist governments drag you down. When the functions of the living cell was revealed in the 20th century the scientists were stumped by the enourmous complexity. If you bother to do some research you will find that there's no proof whatsoever supporting evolution. The laws of physics say that nothing in nature increase in complexity. The burden of proof is on you.
rabola55 2 months ago
@rabola55 Let me take you to school, kiddo; I never stated that Creationism was false, nor did i provide any ''proof'' to support anything i said. I never stated that there was any proof that Evolution was true, nor did i provide any ''proof'' to support anything i said. I have no desire or need to prove anything to you or anyone else. If you are going to argue with someone, then please, try to be atleast decently intelligent about it. You have failed so utterly, and it's so much fun.
Rethic 2 months ago
@rabola55 You demand proof, but refuse to offer any for your untenable position. Give the man absolute proof of your position or shut up.
allsaintsmonastery 3 weeks ago
@rabola55 Actually, they have massive proof of it from multiple sources. Your are the one with no proof, and appeals to how you "feel" are not valid. There is no doubt that God created the universe (and perhaps the others one that also exist). Evolution does not deny that, it only clarifies the process.
allsaintsmonastery 3 weeks ago
@rabola55 Sorry, but the proof of evolution is massive and certain. The fantasies of Fundamentalist wingnuts have no value.
allsaintsmonastery 3 weeks ago
@allsaintsmonastery No no, you really need to to take a break from this rubbish yt channel and study what science says. They have no clue about the origin of life or the evolution process. You see the evolution theory is not science driven, it is a social engineering tool. It is used to keep the dumb masses in bondage under socialist governments. The State must be in control at the top, not God, and we are evolved amoebas which opens up the whole eugenics evil. The truth will set you free.
rabola55 3 weeks ago
@rabola55 That isn't helpful, everyone can look at the evidence. People can only be indoctrinated as long as they remain inside the fundamentalist circle. Creationism is creating atheism... vicious, angry, justified atheism.
5555miles 3 weeks ago
Hi Merlin hope you are well & that your crystal-ball is not on the blink!
Scientists came up with billions of years plus or minus millions? They seem to keep changing those numbers over the centuries? Any chance I can see the mathematical workings-out/error rate/probability over those billions of years? If everything evolved from primordial swill by God's Will as you elequently put - there should be billions of "links" between the species -why not 1 for man? Did God create the first "gene"?
jediniAleks 3 months ago
@jediniAleks The thing is, we can't correctly determine an actual age, for it's such a long time frame, it'd be almost illogical to figure it out, because there'd be too many factors we'd need to include. With the factorst that we have determined, we have come up with a number which would be closest to the begining, yet on ethat is not exact, but still the roughest estimate possable. So I hope that clears up the age confusion. :)
WolfSpartan1 1 month ago
So we did come from lizard, did we? Which is came from rock soup? My lecturers at the university teach me that and I'm trying to believe in that story, but it is hard. Dear Father, can you please help me and explain in more details how something so complex like human evolved from rock and water, and is any God's role there.
888Ioan 4 months ago
@888Ioan Where on earth do you people come up with the lunacy you put forward. Lizard? Why a lizard? How about a plain old simple Eukariote. CreationISM is still and ISM. Of course God created - as the Apostolic Creed says, Christ was the actual Creator. He, perhaps did not ask your opinion about his methods first and this irritates you, but He did a good enough job without your instructions. Evolved? Of course we evolved. We are complex Eukaryotes. God did it His way.
allsaintsmonastery 4 months ago
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888Ioan 4 months ago
@allsaintsmonastery whooo slow down.....I expected you to be more humble .... As I said that is how they teaching at the university, not my story. However thank you for clearing that up. I glad someone telling the truth, as looks like they lied at religion education as well, when they said that God created Adam & Eve etc. So God did not created those characters, but a lot of Eucaryotes?
888Ioan 4 months ago
@888Ioan The unfolding of life and humanity follows the Eternal Will of God. It unfolds from the potential that God created into the actual that He has willed. There is an evolutionary process to all things, but there is no process that is now willed by God and which does not follow the Eternal Will. The story of Adam and Eve has some great meaning, but the narrative condences a great deal into a small space. To be a literalists about the narrative is to destroy its actual meaning.
allsaintsmonastery 4 months ago
@allsaintsmonastery You are so cool. I am trying to get creationists I know who are making my head explode watch this video.
chromesthesia 1 month ago
@888Ioan well greetings from Romania, i have to agree with father, he didnt say what you just mentioned at all, all he sais is that science and religion must go hand in hand, but through the spectrum of the Bible ! protestantism is also to be blaimed for the apparition of atheism, because it was with the reform whe the illuminist current appeared
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
"Hate" in The Christian church? When did the Orthdox Church burn someone for science, thinking differently or crusade? This is the Western experience not Eastern which is poles apart. Read some more. The law of the universe is that for every action there is a re-action - why then this vacuum in evloution calculation? I put it to you sir that you are also a psuedo-scientists when you complain without proof. Pls be specific when mixing "unicorns", cults & Orthodoxy. Your hiding the True Light.
jediniAleks 4 months ago
@jediniAleks Not sure where you are coming from. Of course there is a lot of hate within Christianity. There is also sufficient hatred preached and practised within the Orthodox Church. The Crusades were something exceptional. The Orthodox world never had a war inspired by religion. That was more a western phenom. Only a few heretics were burned to death in the Orthodox world, but there have been some very ugly events also. The murder of Hypatia took place in the Orthodox Church, for example
allsaintsmonastery 4 months ago
@allsaintsmonastery No there is no hate in True Cristianity as it is an oxymoron. Chirst was Love and not hate. Anyone can call themself a "christian" with a small "c" as many do -but just because someone says it -dose not make it so. Are you speaking of the murder of the Hellenistic philosopher Hypatia? Historians disagree over the extent of his responsibility for these events.
jediniAleks 4 months ago
Those who hate are NOT Orthodox at that moment or from then on if continue to hate in same manner. Orthodoxy is Forgiveness and Repentance through the True Humbling and Loving Example of Christ. Christ is Peace so if I offend you - forgive me. The people/mob rarely discern Western & Eastern Christianity and clarity to protect Christs message of humbled sacrfice should not be lost in ur message. Preach Christ. There is little maths or even "workings" in evolution numbers as too many reactions.
jediniAleks 4 months ago
@jediniAleks Jedin: you are a bit kooky here in this response. Actually, Scientific (socalled) Creationism is pure pseudo-science, and is one of the sources of modern atheism. I am not an evolutionary biologist nor a medical researcher so I don't deal so musch with evolutionary aspects in those realms, but the principles of evolution are very much part of modern medicine. I do realise that there are some people who still believe that bacteria are demons, but it really is not true.
allsaintsmonastery 4 months ago
Hi. I am an atheist, a secular humanist, and I hope, aim, and strive to be a rational and reasonable human being.
And I want to thank you, very much, for sharing this video. I am not sure if you are the speaker or not, but either way this is a good message to be out there.
Atheism vs Theism, I would prefer this go back to a philosophical discussion. One which is absent of the lies and misrepresentations of the Creationist movement.
I don't mind losing that debate, I just want it to be honest
eltzar72 4 months ago
@eltzar72 The "Religious Rightwing" really does believe in the "santified lie." Often, they know very well that what they are saying is not true, and it never seems to dawn on them that wilful lying is immoral.
allsaintsmonastery 4 months ago
nicest and most reasonable Christian I have seen in my life so far
AstriaICOW 4 months ago
A refreshing viewpoint from a [rare] smart theist!
Turandot29 4 months ago
@Turandot29 I think rare only in that we don't hear much from them, not rare in number.
Well, not in Europe and outside of the U.S., at any rate.
Well said, though :)
eltzar72 4 months ago
A Smart Christian - I'm impressed
Artifactorfiction 5 months ago
I'm an atheist, but I have a lot of love for Christianity and Christians. I think you're right about creationist pseudoscience being harmful to Christianity -- I've posited the same, myself, for some time now. Theology must adapt to the times, and if it doesn't, it will die out. In fact, I went to a fundamentalist school and was taught the whole creationism story, including some weird stuff about pink skies and ice domes, and I think that's when i began to question the veracity of scripture.
EucharistOfHypnos 5 months ago
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Mogley52 6 months ago
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible in nature (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). Species couldn't have survived while their vital tissues, organs, biological systems were still evolving. Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species.
Mogley52 6 months ago
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@Mogley52 I have read all such arguments, and they are bunk. Evolution is a reality, and this means evolution pre-biotic substances to modern humans. I am not interested in ideologies which one attempts to base in science, but unsuccessfully.
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@allsaintsmonastery Evolution is a lie from the pit of hell. "I walked into my room the other day, and there was this computer there. I don't know how it got there in the first place; it must have just appeared all on its own. And the good thing is that, over time, it has improved itself, all on its own, to keep up with the changing environment of data and information. When I first saw it, it was a Z-100 computer. Then, it became a Z-286, and then it changed, all on its own, to a 486 computer.
PapalSoldier 1 week ago 5
@allsaintsmonastery Now, it is a Pentium 4. I fully expect that one day, all on its own, my desktop computer will morph into a laptop, because it "knows" that it must be mobile to survive in today's environment. AND... The software brain that runs the machine has also evolved, all by itself. It once was DOS 6.0 software, but that soon evolved into Windows 95, then Windows 98, then Windows ME, then Windows XP, and finally, it has morphed into Windows Vista.----
PapalSoldier 1 week ago 5
@allsaintsmonastery ----And all of these changes came about with no master intelligence whatsoever..overseeing..the..process!"
Isaiah 40:26 Lift up your eyes on high, and see who hath created these things: who bringeth out their host by number, and calleth them all by their names: by the greatness of his might, and strength, and power, not one of them was missing.
Give Glory To The Holy Trinity not man.
PapalSoldier 1 week ago 6
@Mogley52 What is a "kind?" Is something a "kind" if it shares the same colloquial name ("dog," "cat," etc.)? Where's the science? There's no such thing as a "kind" because all organisms, alive and dead, are part of a continuum of diversification. I'm a Christian, the origins account is a folktale acting as apocalyptic prophecy, and evolution is true.
pattonpatterns 5 months ago
@Mogley52 "Evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible in nature (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human)."
Just a note: Modern worms have had 4.5 billion years of evolution. Humans have had 4.5 billion years of evolution. Chimpanzees have had 4.5 billion years of evolution. Snakes have had 4.5 billion years of evolution (see a pattern)? We did NOT evolve from modern worms. If someone told you that, they are misrepresenting evo.
Ripley747 5 months ago
@Mogley52 If worms spontaneously turned into human beings, that would pretty much disprove evolutionary biology. Long story short: that's not how it works, and that's not how anybody proposes it works. It's a straw man erected by creationists who either have an extremely poor grasp of biology, or else are okay with the notion of "lying for Christ".
JassuElla 4 months ago
I kove this video.
JohnTheHutDweller 7 months ago
and one of my evolutionist buddies went overkill, he knocked up a female ape, wanted to prove to some ignorant creationist idiot he knew that creationism is bullshit, so he got a female ape prego, and out popped a ape that was also human, exactly like what the first humans were like! amazing! I love seeing more proof like this! the ape-man baby loved banana pudding, and bananas were hard to keep around the house.
jonwalliser 8 months ago
and for all you stupid creationists, evolution is true! here is one obvious example: I randomly threw a bunch of random ingredients into a random bowl, and over millions of milli seconds it randomly turned into a random cake, by total fucking chance, hahaha thats mind blowing! who woulda thunk??!! i saw it slowly edge over and sneak into the fridge when i opened it to grab a cold beer. wish that kinda shit happened more but i am now a evolutionist baby!
jonwalliser 8 months ago
what we need is more pressure on the street venders to stay off the lawn grass and stop waiting by the fence gates for the little kids to come out, its just wrong and low, kids are always suckered into buying a lolipop and rotting their teeth out of their little skulls. what a shame..... :(
jonwalliser 8 months ago
grrr, I was liking this guy, he looks like a smart fellow with the whole beard thing he has going and the little globe he has in front of him, and he was making sense when he was explaining about how so many kids growing up in christian homes have left religion behind, but then he went to his belief that the earth is billoins of years old and humans have only been around 700k years etc....... I never see any of these guys go into detail about how the first guy came up with the old date!
jonwalliser 8 months ago
@jonwalliser As to how someone came up with the first date, that is, 7000 B.C. (-+); it is simple -- that is the epoch in which writing was invented and the oral tradition and myths began to be put to writing. How one comes up with the date of humans being around, that depends on whether you included proto hominids and which category of homo you consider to be the "break through." Are talking about modern humans or the precursor homo species. There have been some interesting genetic studies.
allsaintsmonastery 8 months ago
@allsaintsmonastery I ment the 4billion plus years of the earth, not the tiny new age of the humans.
jonwalliser 8 months ago
I must say that this video contains the most sensible statements that I have heard from a member of the clergy in years... You are very true in that most creationists and evangelicals are pushing people into atheism. Truthfully, I love when young minds are exposed to a myriad of options and not just one that their parents subscribe to. Thank you for showing me that not all clergy are immune to common sense. Although I am an atheist, I have much respect for people like this gentleman.
Socracea 9 months ago
@Socracea hahaha ur really breaking some ground there, agreeing with another atheist lol rofl
jonwalliser 8 months ago
@jonwalliser Not all atheist are stupid red-necks after all. There are many that one can agree with on a whole range of things.
allsaintsmonastery 8 months ago
@allsaintsmonastery Sir, I have great respect for you and would like to talk to you via inbox. I'm not Eastern Orthodox, but still hold to much of (if not all) of what it teaches. I would also like to advise you from my tiny knowledge bank of merely 17 years to observe the following: Feed not the trolls! :P *cough*jonwalliser*cough*
God bless :)
RevengeOfIjapa 6 months ago
I am an Orthodox catechuman at the moment, and personally, if Orthodoxy were to endorse evolution, I would probably back out. But, Orthodoxy neither confirms, nor denies it at the moment, even though I have yet too meet a priest or bishop in Orthodoxy that would endorse it. Recently at the University of California in Irvine California, they found NO genetic evidence for evolution. This was a study done by pro evolutionists..the theory is not that sound
Castleman711 9 months ago
@Castleman711Actually, there are a number of Orthodox clergy and hierarchs who do accept it quite matter of factly, and of course they would because it happens to be true and irrefutable. Either you have faith in God and you live with the truth, or have no faith, only a personal ideology, and if God did not do it the way you want Him ot have, then you won't believe? Why, because God does not obey you and endorse you ideology? Earth is over 4 billion years old. You cannot change that.
allsaintsmonastery 9 months ago
@Castleman711 I cannot imagine who, at UC would have said such a thing. I will write to a colleague at UCLA and ask about it. The genetic evidence is overwhelming, and clearly tells us that we contain the genes of three different species of homo- of which Neanderthal is one. Again, either you believe in God or you do not, but rather have some sort of phantasy. If you wish to think that the chronology in Gen. can be taken literally, you are in very real trouble spiritually.
allsaintsmonastery 9 months ago
@allsaintsmonastery Thanks for the reply. I will send you a private message with the links I read about the research done out here in Southern California. Also, I am not closed minded with this matter, since I was proven wrong before as a protestant..I only worry that people who are looking into Orthodoxy from protestantism would be very cautious, or not even spend time looking into Orthodoxy at all because of evolution. When I was a protestant, I held to an old earth frame work view of creation
Castleman711 9 months ago
@Castleman711 Of course it is not easy. particularly when people trap themselves in the notion that "every word of Scripture was personally written by God and is infallible." They you ask, "does the sun also arise??" "Does the sun know its time for setting?" (the sun neither rises nor sets, and it does not know anything. So did God write that, and He did not even know that the earth rotates on its axis and the Sun does not move? Why would he personally tells us about the rape if Dinah? etc.
allsaintsmonastery 9 months ago
@Castleman711 There are variations in points of view on very many things in the Orthodox Church, and like everywhere else, they depend ultimately on the political spectrum to which one belongs. However, the question of Evolution is not so simple because the evidence is overwhelming despite a few dissenting opinions. With regard to things necessary, we have to remember that all the dogmatic matters in the Church flow from the Incarnation of God, the Nativity of Christ, not from cosmology.
allsaintsmonastery 9 months ago
@Castleman711 Also, I have to note that in the past 35 years of lecturing at universities in the US, Canada and Europe, when I ask people why the left Christianity, no one ever has mentioned Evolution, but rather Christian Fundmentalsim, hypocrisy and bigotry, and of course, the doctrine of Atonement. More people have left the Church because of the dogmaticly stated denial of science and Evollution. I find all over the world faithful Christians who are comfortable with the reality of evolution
allsaintsmonastery 9 months ago
That's pretty stereotypical of you to categorize Christians as being this culprit that deludes people into such belief. Maybe you should be a little more open and think about what you said. It is something like what you just said that gives me reason to stay away from philosophical arguments against religion. My belief and faith is private and between God and myself. Jesus explained how we should pray in Matthew 6:5-6. Stereotypical bias people are the reason for these arguments.
TheStigmadeign 9 months ago
@TheStigmadeign You may be keeping your faith and beliefs a secret, but the Fundamentalist and Evangelical world are most certainly not. Any they are driving people away from Christianity. It would be a sin for me not to speak up about it. Perhaps in your tradition you would not understand that, but the position of a Bishop in our tradition requires me to speak about such matters.
allsaintsmonastery 9 months ago
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@allsaintsmonastery Trdition? I don't follow doctrines of faith or Methods of worship. I follow what Jesus said in Matthew 6:5-6. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward...continued
TheStigmadeign 9 months ago
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@allsaintsmonastery 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
TheStigmadeign 9 months ago
@shadowgeyser They can be correct, right on the mark in what they say, but I do not trust vulgar people because they cannot possibly be sincere. People who are incapable of civil discourse may also be not be capable of sincerity. You may do as you wish, but I will never, ever trust a person cannot express him/herself without vulgarity.
allsaintsmonastery 9 months ago
Finally someone with my same views. I always thought my style of thinking was unique but I'm glad I came across this video.
favm360 9 months ago
Are you Russian Orthodox? Just curious, but that's how I was raised. :)
PsychoKat90 10 months ago
Just a small correction... the universe is closer to 13.75 billion years old :)
But on another note, I have great respect for you sir. This was a wonderful video, with great points.
rjc34 10 months ago
Sir, You said what I have wanted to say for so long, and far better than I ever could say it. At the end, when you challenged the faith of creationists, I found it to be very powerful. Your ideas could go far to bolster Christianity. Here is much respect from an atheist to a brother of faith.
trueleroix 10 months ago
very well said .we live in the 21st century it's time that we understand that the world wasn't created in seven days or stuff like that.Creationism doctrine and some religions are a disease who have long overstayed their welcome on this planet.Man must not turn to ancient text and take it literally .
madeye22 10 months ago
First of all... anyone ever told you that you look like Dumbledore? :) Second, I couldnt agree more on creationists and that new wave of megachurches corporation-like run ministries. Soo, can I ask you, why do you believe? I mean I believe too... that there is a thing uncomprihensively greater and older than me, that I am product of (Cosmos) but I always wondered how can anyone tell that it has mind or a plan? And dont get me wrong I love me some mythology.
KronosDeret 10 months ago
@KronosDeret Usually it is Gandolf that I am told I resemble. We are all children of the stars. Everytime a star explodes, it dies for us because it casts out the elements of life to fall as seed where they will.
allsaintsmonastery 10 months ago
I am an atheist, but not because I had deconverted from some religion, as I never had one forced upon me. I have always tried to be rational, & above all, peaceful whenever possible. It is a shame that many theists do not seem to hold the view that you do. The unkindness of many "Christians" in the U.S. is incredibly appalling & painful. The interference posed within our school system is frustrating. I really do hope they come around to being reasonable, sooner rather than later.
razredge07 10 months ago
@razredge07 Generally, the way people express their religion is shaped by their political orientation. Personally, I believe that ultra-conservatism is a birth defect cause by an enlarged amygdala region in the brain (the "fear" centre). Fear is a powerful motivator, and fear of some eternal "hell" can motivate, fear of change, fear of whatever is new, fear of uncertainties (the need for absolutes) all can lead to great cruelty. It really is tragic.
allsaintsmonastery 10 months ago
@allsaintsmonastery I wouldn't go so far as to say their fear had a physical cause, although I am intrigued by the idea & can certainly see some evolutionary advantages as well as disadvantages when such a region is modified. Sadly, it would be unethical to test your hypothesis. Fear, though beneficial in some amounts, can be crippling if it takes precedence over intellect. It both saddens and amuses me to think my first introduction to Christianity was a fear tactic - believe or be damned.
razredge07 10 months ago
You sir are a very smart chap. I really enjoyed the video and glad someone else has noticed this, especially someone with such experience.
gisellethegoat 10 months ago
Well put sir!
DarkAngel182 10 months ago
Truly a keen grasp of the issues in motion here.
gatorboymike 10 months ago
Wow, you got some good stuff going on inside the head! Just out of curiosity, why would it be so bad if many christians became atheists?
Paxmax 10 months ago
@Paxmax I suspect that a goodly number of Christians in the U.S. are atheists, but remain religious because it is their "patriotic duty" to be religious, and Christianity is a cultural affectation. In Canada, there are no such obligations, so anyone who is an atheist does not have to pretend otherwise in order to get elected to Parliament or a city council.
allsaintsmonastery 10 months ago 3
Religious people....please pay attention to this message. When you try to push the creation bullshit....you totally undermine any other message you have. When rational people hear creationism....they disregard anything else that follows. Stop pushing creationism and people might take your other messages seriously. You lose ALL credibility when you spout creation bullshit.
ProofPleez 10 months ago 2
@ProofPleez I always tune out when people cannot express themselves without vulgarity. One cannot take seriously a person who must resort to vulgarity in order to make his/her point. Of course, that includes many Fundamentalist Christians. You would be surprised at how many Fundys attack me with the same vulgarity. Vulgar people cannot be trusted, no matter what they say.
allsaintsmonastery 10 months ago
@allsaintsmonastery Our definition of vulgarity is obviously different sir. I find threats of hell fire and eternal torture vulgar and offensive. I find divisiveness and slavery and murder and genocide vulgar and offensive...yet this "good book" is filled with it. My use use of a descriptive bovine body function pales in comparison to this murderous vindictive and egotistical "god" and the vulgarity that he commands and advocates. Thank you for the feedback.
ProofPleez 10 months ago
@ProofPleez Perhaps, but I am not threatening people with "hell fire," and indeed, Orthodox Christianity does not even believe or teach that there is a place called "hell," or an actual fire, or demons will be torturing people "for all eternity." There is no doubt that, especially the books of Judges and Chronicles, are monstrous. If one were to illustrate the Book of Judges, it would be classed as pornography and not allowed across the Canadian border. But it does not excuse one's own vulgarity
allsaintsmonastery 10 months ago
@allsaintsmonastery In my mind sir, one of the greatest faults of christianity is the inability to decipher the "truth". How many different sects of this monotheism? I have heard estimates of between 20.000 and 30,000! If there actually was a celestial dictator who is sharing the "truth"., it would be unambiguous and clear to all. Orthodox, Protestant, Catholic....put whatever interpretation you like on it....it relinquishes personal responsibility. You are offended by words but not immorality?
ProofPleez 10 months ago
@allsaintsmonastery with all due respect, what is vulgarity? One might say that it is the use of language and terms that some find offensive, though I often wonder, why are said words found to be offensive? I believe this all came from the term "swearing" which I understand to be someone speaking out in anger or cursing; so when one says "oh darnit!", is that vulgar? Also I tend to disagree that "vulgar people cannot be trusted" because that has nothing to do with their points or their messages.
sstew027 10 months ago
I actually enjoyed this video, and listening to some religious guy rant on is somehting that I dont go for, but I am glad I did, this was a very logical and refreshing view from a person who is clearly very thoughtful and intelligant.
If everyone was working on a similar vein, then I would be a happy man, but he is right, Creationists are liars and those who are not, are utterly ignorant, sometimes deliberately so.
FatRakoon 10 months ago
@FatRakoon Some of them lie, knowing very well that they are lying, and that raises the question of whether they actually believe, or are just defending the the source of their manipulative power over hapless Christians. What troubles me a great deal is that the same demagogues preach so much hate and fear. But fear is great power that can lead people to do horrible things (not to mention send more money). Evolution is a reality that can be denied, but not succesfully.
allsaintsmonastery 10 months ago
How to know creationism is bullshit:
If the Bible is the word of God, then EVERYTHING in the Bible is the word of God. And choosing which parts are literal and which are actual is just a copout. The fact is that if the Bible were true, there would not be undeniably false statements in it like that the earth is flat and rests on pillars like a table.
blackkakari 10 months ago 2
@blackkakari For an atheist, you are quite fundamentalist. Actually, there is a lot of metaphor in the Bible, and it could not be otherwise, since the older a language the richer the metaphor. That being said, one must also note that the sun does not "also ariseth," nor does it "knoweth its going down" (actually, it "knoweth" very little, it just hovereth up there and burns). There are not only such anomalies in the bible (the Bible does, by the way speak of the "curvature of the earth)
allsaintsmonastery 10 months ago
@blackkakari but there is a great deal of savagery, crimes against humanity and war crimes that we no longer tolerate, but you may or may not know that most Christians do not actually read the Bible, they take it for granted that what their preacher is saying to them is true, and that makes the whole scene much more dangerous as religious demagogues manipulate in much the same way that Hitler did. One might wonder how many moslems actually read the Koran.
allsaintsmonastery 10 months ago
Finally a Christian with a conscience. This man has something to say, I wouldn't deny him the right to say what he's saying. Most likely his experience is beyond the normal, he's speaking the truth and he's definitely an asset to those who believe in God. While not always rational, he speaks from his heart the truth about evolution and scientific theory.
journeyer58 11 months ago
@allsaintsmonastery It is not that we should ignore old testament. Since the new laws were made for the new generations. If we do not know our past we are doomed to forget, and redo the same mistakes. By you saying not to acknowledge old testament You are forgetting about the prophecy of Jesus being spoken in Isaiah CH 53. By the old testament we know that we have the same God of Isaac, Jacob, Abraham, and Joseph & Moses. Just BCUZ old laws do not apply does not mean we let go of our history.
Dudex58 11 months ago
@Dudex58 Dude, no one is forgetting about anything. We commemorate the OT prophecies about Christ in every single divine service. The Old Law (mostly borrowed from Hammurabi and from Semitic Common Law) simply does not apply to us. We are, indeed, under a "law," but it really is a law of love for Christ and neighbour.
allsaintsmonastery 11 months ago
@allsaintsmonastery sorry to bring this up, I think you're atleast a thinking christian.
However, new testament isn't as much "love" as you'd think.
Ephesians 6:5-8
Slaves obey your earthly masters. Or bondservants, depending on the version you read.
i'm afraid this alone is enough for me to say the NT is wrong, but there is still more.
Microtardz 10 months ago
That was scathing. I'm going to check out some more of your vids
mandangalo18 11 months ago
Thank you good sir, for making this video. You have helped lift my attitude towards the vocal (I hope minority) of fundamental Christians here in the United States. I could only hope there were more people able to look at the world with both faith and an open mind in my country, except just having faith.
mikevalla 11 months ago
I can't express how much I appreciate your honesty ...
MaitreyaRocket 11 months ago
@MaitreyaRocket Do you like witches?
SwordofSpirit1 9 months ago
@thechessstick Oi, another "flying saucer type."
allsaintsmonastery 11 months ago
@allsaintsmonastery Oi, vey. Kakaya konskaya.
thechessstick 11 months ago
You, sir, are a good man! Whenever I watch this video, I just want to shake your hand and give you a big hug...A HUGE thanks!
Ripley747 11 months ago
respect this believer
LogicalThinker667 11 months ago 37
@LogicalThinker667 Wise words, indeed... I'm going to try to ask Nephie and VFX to watch this, slightly difficult because I'm blocked though...
finlarg 11 months ago
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@LogicalThinker667
"respect this believer "
I would, if he would stop talking about turning to atheism as if that is a bad thing. Most atheists simply don't believe any of the claims of Christianity because there is not a single shred of evidence for it, and the Orthodox version is not any better than the others.
MomoTheBellyDancer 10 months ago
Not saying allsaints made this claim, but I personally find an attitude like "The Bible predicted the Big Bang theory and evolution, and the Genesis 1 creation narrative matches up perfectly with the scientific consensus and contains no scientific inaccuracies, and the global flood story was never meant to be taken literally and therefore its falsehood doesn't matter" to be just as much of an intellectually dishonest form of denial as young-earth creationism.
tifforo1 1 year ago 2
@tifforo1 There are many, many claims made by CreationISM (note the ISM) that are absurd. We have no idea how the Flood story was meant to be taken by the original writers of it, but it certainly has been taken literally. My main concern is not so much with this, as with the cruelty and malice that arise from Fundamentalism, and the violence that it causes. I am simply going after some of the root justifications for the evil of Funadm. Christianity.
allsaintsmonastery 1 year ago 6
@allsaintsmonastery I gotta say, with your beard and how you're dressed in this video you look a lot like a priest of some sort. Just pointing that out as a person who appreciates irony. : )
blackkakari 10 months ago
@blackkakari This priest is from the Eastern Orthodox church.
NicolSD 10 months ago
@allsaintsmonastery "We have no idea how the Flood story was meant to be taken by the original writers of it," in regards to this, I vaguely remember watching a documentary of sorts. It centered around the idea that the "world-wide" flood may have been an unusual local flood that simply spread for miles. From the perspective of someone in that time frame, if they traveled for a few days & still saw water, then they might've assumed the whole world was covered. The idea seems plausible.
razredge07 10 months ago
@allsaintsmonastery i totally agree with you, skateboarding and chewing gum are a bad idea when done with a few beers in your system. we all need to be good friends and keep our friends from drinking, chewing gum and skateboarding!!!!!! thumbs up if you agree!
jonwalliser 8 months ago
@tifforo1 Many people who point out that these old stories aren't meant to be taken literally are doing so to explain WHY the falsehood of these tales matters, not brush off or ignore the fact that they're not true. Ignoring the rather obvious symbolic style of these old tales and treating them as if they were real historical events is just moronic. I'm an atheist, but I'm frequently mistaken for a religious person in denial because I understand these myths as myths.
shrikechan 10 months ago
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tifforo1 10 months ago
@shrikechan
How do you know whether something was intended by its author(s) to be taken literally?
tifforo1 10 months ago
wise words Your Grace, yet again, yet again on the heresy of a cruel God demanding the death of his own son....human sacrifice is not in God's plan
SleepWhenIamDead 1 year ago
Humans have only been existing for 200 years not 700 years. Humans = Homo Sapiens, maybe you meant it in another way? Great video btw.
sorrypapawxz 1 year ago
@sorrypapawxz Uh, 200 years? You mean my great, great, great grandfather was not human? I'm sure my mother-in-law was not, she was pre-Neandertal,
allsaintsmonastery 1 year ago
@allsaintsmonastery I feel very ashamed, ofcourse I don't mean 200 years, I mean 200 000 years, thats the age of the Human race.
sorrypapawxz 1 year ago
@sorrypapawxz Actually, I knew what you meant, I was just adding a bit of humour. Of course, modern humans have been around for a shorter time than proto-humans.
allsaintsmonastery 1 year ago
@allsaintsmonastery why can't all religious folks be like you? Oh right...most people are stupid. I really appreciate your effort and respect your wise words so keep up the good work. Nice astrolobe by the way.
ilovemangolassi 1 year ago 2
@ilovemangolassi I wouldnt say most people are stupid thats just hatred. I would say most people dont think about it. They blindly follow.
I would also say people are afraid to be different from their family. Its easier to trust and follow your close friends than it is to shun away.
I lost my religion while deployed that made it easy to do searching on my own. it gave me a lot of time to ponder such things.
skwerl23 11 months ago
@allsaintsmonastery
You're married?
tifforo1 1 year ago
@tifforo1 I am a widower. I do have 3 sons, one deceased, and enough grandchildren.
allsaintsmonastery 1 year ago
man, if scientific education were the answer to mankind's ills, we'd all be free. there's enough science, and many people are more miserable than ever. upholding a scientific worldview doesn't change a thing either. i'm agnostic to the whole issue at this point. do many organisms share a common ancestor? most likely. but regardless, creationists are not idiots and they are a large segment of the worlds population spanning all religions. to relegate them to idiocy is just arrogance.
tgz1000 1 year ago
@tgz1000 Well of course people were much better off before antibiotics, clean water and sanitation. They died more happily from the Spanish (Swine) Flu epidemic, tuberculosis, measles and small pox than people do now. And a life expentancy of 45 years was doubtless better than one of 80. I believe absolutely that everything that exists was created by God and that Christ Jesus has liberated us from bondage to the fear of death and given us everlasting life. But most "isms" cause trouble.
allsaintsmonastery 1 year ago
@allsaintsmonastery Is that an astrolobe on the table?
Nerpha 1 year ago
@Nerpha On my desk there is an astrolb, a sizeable 2million+ year old rock with the remains of intertidal bivalve shells and other imprints, and small bronze statue of a famous racehorse and assorted books and clutter. Sometimes, I actually clear enough space to work at my desk. I hope to add a working sextant and a few other antique navigational diviices to the collection eventually.
allsaintsmonastery 1 year ago
Watching this video has made my day that much better. It's nice to know some Christians have a square head on their shoulder, and respond to logic. There is some hope.
The123Metronome 1 year ago
Blood Atonement didn't come about until the 1800s. It is only practiced by fundamentalist Mormons.
Not all Evangelicals are Sectarian and not all sectarians are evangelical.
You are only describing Young Earth Creationism, not Creationism as a whole. There is also Gap and Progressive Creationists. Progressive Creationists are nothing as you describe. In fact all you are saying match with Progressive Creationism.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP Not quite so. Augustine of Hippo, the great Latin heresiarch, conceived Blood Atonement, Double Predestination and the heretical doctrine of Original Sin (guilt transmitted through the sex act, onto innocent babies). It was Anselm of Canterbury, in A.D.1000 who defined the doctrine of Blood Atonement, which then became current in Roman Catholicism, and entered nascent Luteranism a few centuries later. About Progressive Creationism: that is a new one to me. Never heard of it before.
allsaintsmonastery 1 year ago
@LinkMEP The Latin/Sectarian doctrine of Atonement was based, by Anselm, on the medieval Law of the Dual. Anslem, as with many of those raised on the rationalism of Aristotle and the dialectic of the law court, could not reconcile themselves with the Christian doctrine of redemption, so they replaced it with the Atonement heresy, and the incorporated the name (but not the Traditional doctrine) of Redemption/Salvation. The new doctrine taught that Christ died to satisfy God's justice and fulfil,
allsaintsmonastery 1 year ago
@LinkMEP through a human sacrifice for blood atonement, an imaginary "just death penalty" for mankind (but it would not help those who are not predestinged for salvation). There are variations on this theme, but the entire concept is a legal fiction, self-contradictory (you cannot have both punishment and forgiveness; they are mutually exclusive and contradictory). While the roots of this heresy go back to Augustine, it was Anselm who introduced it as a doctrine in A.D.1005 (+-) with his book
allsaintsmonastery 1 year ago
@allsaintsmonastery
I cannot tell you how many times I have been in mainstream Protestant churches where the minister/pastor/whatever was an Evangelical or had Evangelical leanings or ideas and basically tried to push the idea that blood atonement and Christianity are the same thing.
Evangelical sermon:
"Grace, grace, grace, grace, blood, cross, grace, grace, grace, sacrifice, atonement, grace, grace, Christ, grace, lamb, grace, grace, justification, grace, grace, necessity, God, grace."
tifforo1 10 months ago
Alternative evangelical sermon:
"All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and all our good deeds are like filthy rags to God, therefore we are doomed to eternal separation from God unless we accept Christ: the Way, the Truth, and the Light. No one comes to the father except through him. He took the punishment for our misdeeds so that we could be saved through a personal relationship with Him. Without the cross, the blood, and the resurrection, our lives mean nothing."
tifforo1 10 months ago
@LinkMEP "Cur Deus Homo." (Why God Became Man).
allsaintsmonastery 1 year ago
@allsaintsmonastery Sorry, I looked into it and apparently there are two different things called blood atonement, and we were each thinking of different ones. I was thinking of the concept that the sin of murder is so heinous that the only way a murderer can be forgiven is by being ritualistically sacrificed, which is only practiced by fundamentalist Mormons.
I definitely agree with you that sectarianism and young earth creationism are the primary causes of people leaving the faith.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@allsaintsmonastery At its core the term Creationism only means the belief that a divine being created the Earth. Yo