I like HIT training b/c you can really focus in on that brief high intensity time frame. You can "give it your all" b/c you're zoned in for a shorter amount of time.
I think just like Dorian. I'm so motivated I sometimes forget to take enough rest. I also hate it when I have an injury and people tell me to take pain killers like aspirin or whatever.
I don't care about the pain! I just want to be able to train!
The secret to building muscle... grab a fucking weight and workout. That is not intended to any of you guys, just the damn people who are always looking for a shortcut to see results. lazy bastards.
all I know since I been doing H.I.T. is my squat has went up from 135 pounds for 6 reps to 145 pound for 6 reps in just 3 months and now I can hold my head up high and enjoy the fact that I have shocked the world and now my next goal is to be able to squat 175 pounds for 6 reps before next Christmas and when I do i'll know that i'm one powerful individual with incredible squatting power.
Everyone thinks there's some big secret to lifting or shortcut. HIT, this, that. You know what the secret is? "Start your workout with compound movements, use isolation movements for the secondary muscles involved in your workout, always use a weight,rep speed/rep range that will work the muscle/s just right for the condition you are in when your working out. Choose a target rep range, hit it, maybe exceed it. No one can tell you how to lift or what intensity. No shortcuts.
Try this:Every 3rd week replace the hit day with a high volume day.Make the rest between sets longer than the hit day.But dont do all the week high volume training.
For example do the 1st day chest and biceps hit,2day back hit,3 day soulders triceps High volume,4day legs hit.
Next week 1st day chest and biceps high volume,2day back hit,3 day hit and 4 day hit and so on.
The day of volume training eat at least 300 callories more than the same hit day,600 more for the leg day.
@ihcatihjwh Only losing faggots take steroids and drugs. They like sucking each others cocks and doing drugs. Shooting their loads in each other mouths and shooting up on drugs.
-ok guys listen up: you shouldn't train to failure too often (actually never would be better) cuz it fucks up your recovery ability and burns the fuck out your cns ... if you still want to go that hard, just try the high rep squats .
@indieKook yeh! i use to think that to, then started to train to failure, gains in strength and size skyrocketed so im never going back.. ever.. H.I.T and DC for life...to create the best environment for hypertrophy you need to use and recruit muscle fibers, for this to take place anything BUT failure just wont do.
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM true but gotta talk from myself, i have a body which gets injured quickly (even though a 10 years of soccer and 6 years of kickboxing backgrounds) and if i go to, or beyond failure i get injured lightning fast (usually on the delt-wrist areas) plus extended recovery times due to local pain/injury my workouts turned into somekind of 1 step forward - 3 steps backward stuff . im just trying to listen my bodys voice, and recommend it to all who afraids of getting injured for reasons
@indieKook yehh, cool mate, its just you said "ok guys listen up: you shouldn't train to failure too often (actually never would be better)" impliying this advice was for everyone, not just yourself.
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM ohh yeah it is still a general advice for novice to intermediate guys around; i just wanted to explain the reasons for this with sharing some examples of my own.
@lloyd011721 Only losing faggots take steroids and drugs. They like sucking each others cocks and doing drugs. Shooting their loads in each other mouths and shooting up on drugs.
@lloyd011721 Only losing faggots take steroids and drugs. They like sucking each others cocks and doing drugs. Shooting their loads in each other mouths and shooting up on drugs.
@i: A big problem in HIT is focusing on reps. This causes breaks in form, & injuries. Focus must be on form, (non - explosive rep speed, no jerking, no tensing of unrelated musculature, no breath-holding, smooth turnarounds), no matter how close one might be to finishing that next rep. Better results come from resisting the negative at the finish of a set as long as possible, rather than cheating to finish another rep.
@helpvidz The fundamental principles of High Intensity Training (HIT) are that exercise should be brief, infrequent, and intense. Exercises are performed with a high level of effort, or intensity, where it is thought that it will stimulate the body to produce an increase in muscular strength and size. Advocates of HIT believe that this method is superior for strength and size building than most other methods which, for example, may stress lower weights with larger volume (reps).
@SNaRF66666666 DC = Dogg Crap training, Dante Tridell i believe is his name, he's the founder.......based on the rest pause principal...you should look into it, it is unique to say the least.
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM bro you and me think exactly the same, i train to failure on every rep i do, srsly fuck the other guys in the gym who train till the pain starts and then complain is better for your muscle in some way, at the end i show my muscle, and u see the fckng diffrence, long live yates
@i: "shouldn't train to failure to often". True: Full-body HITs workouts: 2x/wk beginners , 1x/wk intermediate, less often advanced, often MUCH less. / It's SUPPOSED to greatly affect recovery & CNS, but you DO recover, & then, you're stronger. The confusion arises from overtraining during an athlete's season of competition: If a player's working hard at practice & competition, he should avoid HIT, but he should avoid ALL heavy strength training right before or soon after these activities.
i have a phd in exercise science and i say that training to failure after one rep is the best way to train and im also a former US general of the 101st army division
@fuxu123 no shit ! they've done studies on training to failure...and training to failure with 30 % 1RM is better for muscle hypertrophy than 90% 1RM. so wat kinda sense you training to make?
@dgarver1992 actually training with 70% 1RM is better for hypertrophy.. using a weight you can achieve 8-12 reps (hypertrophy range) with. 30% 1RM would merely tax your CNS and increase muscle fatigue and endurance.. so what kind of sense are you talking?
@jgorerowe yea thats an obvious if youve studied it you fucking idiot. i didnt say that was the case. i was comparing training to failure with 30 percent and 90 percent. not 70. so wat the fuk are you talking about? cuz you obviously dont understand wat i was comparing.
@jgorerowe i was proving a point.. not trying to be a "warrior". i also dont get revd up. although it might sound like it especially if one curses. glad i could make u laugh?
yeah nothing wrong with HIT training at all.. as well as HIIT i like to go on HIT training for 3 weeks then do HIIT for a week jsut to keep my body in shock and to keep my vo2max up as high as i can with out having to run a stupid amount of miles. Now for the SF guy it is impractical to be a body builder.. there are a lot of reasons.. from gear fitting you correctly if you get too big to being able to move your body in a firefight.. As a soldier i know first hand.. I still body build
Mentzer didn't train him, he trained with him at one point but Dorian himself said that Mike was not his trainer. Dorian did read his books and watched his movies to better refine his own technique but HIT is his take on High Intensity Low Volume.
um there is nothing wrong with HIT training. I had cancer, and began training after i finished treatment, HIT training helped me get into the best shape i had ever been in in my life, and recover and rebuild from cancer. My doctors were astounded at my blood tests and how healthy they were. My lung capacity increased too. This is with very little cardio.
I trained for 10 years 4-6 days a week 1-1½ hours and saw very poor results. I bumped into Mike in the mid 90's and his advice made me realize how stupid volume training is not to say downright unhealthy. I then trained 30 minutes 3 times per month a gained15kg of pure mass in less then 6 month. No juice no supplement no special diet. Best thing is if I dont train for a month I come back just as strong. Also all my injuries and cronic backpain is gone.
@andysutils1 If someone who's trained-on a lot of mass loses it during a lay-off, it will come back very quickly. i also doubt Muskler used credible lean mass measuring methods: Often fat accumulates under & in the muscles, not under the skin & 'soft', very misleading. I suspect Muskler's leaving out a lot of details, but not necessarily lying outright.
Plus when you eat the amount of food that you normally eat to take yourself seriously as a body builder your going to have high blood pressure and high blood pressure has MANY negative effects on the body. (I'm in the medical field presently by the way)
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Dorian was injured alot. I owned "Blood and Guts" back in the late nineties. I disagree with building up to a single set of "failure". I was in a special operations unit and i learned through experience the best way to build a strong body that looks great and more importantly FUNCTIONS properly is to go to failure or near failure every set. With few exceptions. I was heavily into bodybuilding for 4 1/2 yrs. but i would never do that again. It's bad for your heart and other organs and impractical
@rascalMatt17 who told you training to failure 1 set Is bad for your heart and other organs? because that is totaly ridiculous!! overtraing 5 sets on everything then doing hour cardio is impractical and WILL be harder on the heart and other organs!!
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM It's not the training for one set of failure that's bad for your heart it's being that large. When you force your body to be unnaturally large, it forces your heart and other organs to work much harder similar to being overweight/obese. Obese people have other problems too such as high lipid levels etc. To much to talk about right now. But many bodybuilders have had heart problems. I understand that when your in and around your 20's it's very tempting to get as big as possible.
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM Yeah it's funny how a guy in a "special operations unit" (whatever the hell that is) suddenly has an MD and PhD in exercise physiology, and is qualified to tell the rest of us that training 1 set to failure is "bad for your heart and other organs," with absolutely zero scientific evidence to back up his claims. The only scientific evidence regarding training 1 set to failure is that it is JUST AS EFFECTIVE as training for more than 1 set...plain and simple.
@mikper7 Your a complete idiot ! lol Nice spin there loser. I never said anything about HIT being bad for your heart !! I said bodybuilding in general is bad for your health because of body mass index and typical body building diets. (MANY including Dorian Yates have espoused low fiber diets) Read Mike Matarazzo's quote, bottom of his wikipedia page. You don't need a PhD in exercise physiology to know that. You just need a medical background. WHICH I HAVE IDIOT. I'm presently in medical school.
@rascalMatt17 Who the fuck are you, and if you are indeed in Med School, why are you wasting your time arguing with people on the Internet? You are one pissed off fucking nerd, HA, HA!
@mikper7 Who the fuck am i ? I'm a decorated special operations veteran who's in medical school. Who the fuck are you ? LOL So because i go onto youtube during study breaks i'm somehow a nerd? Please you fucking twot. You likely haven't done shit in your life. You have no idea what to say and it's funny to me that your little comment wasn't directed to me but to some other dude. Go get a life.
@mikper7 She actually died while i was in Ranger School back in 2004 so if fucking corpses is your thing..... Of course if you did desecrate the grave i'd slit your throat.
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM Hey idiot !! i never said HIT training was "bad" for you, your heart etc. I said "BODYBUILDING IN GENERAL" is bad for you because of how may calories your taking in, (amount of protein) and body mass index. (high blood pressure etc.) Cardio vascular endurance is good because it keeps the heart strong and you end up with a lower resting heart rate. ie Lance Armstrongs rate has been recorded in the 30's. Go to wikipedia and read "Mike Matarazzo's" quote at the bottom of his page.
@r:Armstrong's NOT healthy. Testicular cancer & aged skin due to a combo of ultra-endurance training, & a high sugar diet. His elite VO2 max & low heart rate is a genetic trait that can only be enhanced to minimal degree via training, just as huge bodybuilders have a genetic tendency to easily put on lean mass with virtually any training). The case against bodybuilding also applies to endurance training: They both are healthy activities, but NOT when done competitively.
@lazur1 I never said Armstrong WAS healthy you fucking dim wit.... LOL you fucking people are idiots. I used Armstrong as an example that people universally know as someone who participates in endurance training and achieved an ultra low resting heart rate. My own heart rate was down around 52 beats a minute at times. does that mean i'm genetically predisposed to it? FUCK NO ! It's from all the training i was doing. I seriously doubt Armstrong was stupid enough to consume a sugar rich diet.
@r: Your post implies you believe endurance athletes to be healthier than bodybuilders. / There are 100s of 1000s of trainees who'll never get their resting rate low as yours, no matter how they train: You DO have a predisposition, which influenced your choice of activity, & is further enhanced by training, but Lance's is virtually that low while racing . He & others like him consume sugar in the believe that, because they burn it all off, there are no health consequences. He's wrong.
@r: Assuming that you've trained as heard as you can, why do you think Lance's best RHR is 20 BPM lower than yours? Are you slacking off? What would it take to get you to 32BPM? Train even harder? Real answer: Have a different set of parents. Same reason others are 20 BPM faster than you.
@r:"The life of a road cyclist means....wolfing candy bars...6,000 calories a day." (Lance Armstrong: "It's Not About the Bike: My Journey Back Into Life".
@lazur1 Sucrose will cause arterioschlerosis. I'm sure Armstrong was using variations of complex carbohydrates and not refined sugars. He most certainly had access to if not his own dietician/s. Not only that but you don't just get to be a "huge body builder" without forcing your body into that state through a combination of drugs, force feeding and insane training regimens.
@r: Let's wait & see what Lance dies of, & how old he is. You're right about huge competitive BBers, but they still need to begin with the predisposition. There's nothing sadder than a force-fed, insanely-trained steroid freak who doesn't have the right genes, and still looks like a beanpole or a fireplug. There are 1,000s of them for every 1 who actually looks like a BBer.
@r:"Bodybuilding, a Scientific Approach" , Fred Hatfield: Test proves his heart is as strong as any marathoner's; he merely has a short thick heavy body that isn't suited to long distance running. "Keep(s)ing the heart strong" via training is a misunderstanding of how the body works: What endurance training actually does is train the muscle / develop mitochondria, to take much of the workload off of the heart. The effect is the same, but the heart itself doesn't get any stronger.
@rascalMatt17 Never do what again? Do you mean the Yates way of thinking about building up to 1 set of failure? Is that what you mean is bad for your heart etc? Be great to hear back from you on this. Cheers! :)
@jlebesis Im not saying anything bad about HIT. I simply commented that bodybuilding overall did bad things to different body systems especially over time. Moderation is best. Trying to become a monster will get you in the hospital. I realize that 20 somethings will eat like a horse and train extremely hard. I just stated that my preference is a great intensity on each set throughout the workout but i was going for more real world results not a show body.
@r: Problem with arguing pros & cons of bodybuilding is that bodybuilding, over a relatively short history, has been different things. Ronnie Coleman & Jack Lalanne: 2 men about as different in their methods & intentions as 2 men could be, are both bodybuilders. If ones' intent is to be as fit & healthy as possible, an HIT bodybuilding type of workout is a great choice. Being a successful modern pro bodybuilder is not healthy.
@MEELATEHGRIL There's a reason there's a body mass index. I've known to many big dudes who would tear their knees up rucking and running in special operations.EX.green beret torn meniscus on star course)If you want to body build fine... just realize that being that big is not only hard on your heart and other organs but it's hard on your joints, especially knees and back. WHEN you get that serious injury lifting all your hard work will go down the drain. Plus your worthless as a special operator
@AbsoluteZ3R0 Bodybuilding isn't JUST lifting weights though. So if you want to get technical you have to adress diet and sleep. Those are the other two keystones to go along with your training. If your diet is unhealthy, (insane amounts of red meat and other proteins) then your going to end up with heart and other problems. Those problems don't require roids.... just an ignorant diet that's unhealthy ie wrong food choices.
@r: Muscles have better blood supply than tendons, so steroids create muscle strength disproportionate to tendon strength: users are strong enough to tear muscle from tendon.This won't happen to clean trainees. Dorian's injuries are due to steroid use, but also from NOT always following HIT guideline of non-explosive movement. Proper breathing assures no heart issues whatsoever, & as 62 year old who's followed these principles for 1/2 my life, my "other organs" are all in fine shape.
@rascalMatt17 That makes sense..there seems to be less of that type of injury since HGH became prevalent. Back in the day, some huge guys tore out their biceps with super-light warm-up weights.
As important as it is to force yourself to work harder... It's just as important, especially for HIT followers, to force yourself to BACK OFF training every so often. I regularly take a week off every few months... It doesn't hurt my training and keeps me healthy jointwise.
Mike Mentzer you to train to failure, that's where Dorian Yates learn his stuff from.
Dorian Yates lifted extreme weights but always with form pointed out the negativity of the movement was the most important part of the rep.
His 2010 blood and gut training video is impressive and what I follow, since starting his program 3 weeks ago I've made massive gain in muscle and strength and recommend it to everyone who want to change up their workouts.
@burd1234 your going to see gains with just about any "change" in your workout. Obviously some techniques will work better than others but to see everyone praising this method is a bit much.
@rascalMatt17 good point but I've train for about 5 years and I do notice the difference, I'm stronger, gained more muscle, but I need to stress to ppl that your diet plan must be strict if you wish to fully embrace H.I.T intensity training, and for me Dorian Yates training video Blood and Guts is the best one out there.
Granted its not for everyone, but the best part beside all the training is the less time you spend in the gym.
Words of wisdom from a master. Especially for the natural athletes among us (no disrespect WHATSOEVER for Mr. Yates, who trained harder than anyone to be the best), I think it is important to key in on the mention of resting for minor injuries. I have forced my way through slight orthopedic complications that could have probably been greatly diminished had I taken a week or two off. However, I trained through them, and they took much, much longer to heal. Great words of wisdom from Mr. Yates.
Dorian Yates' training style and Mentzers' training style were pretty different. Dorian says he trained with Mike a few times and picked up some of his philosphies, but made it in a style of his own. He says this numerous times in interviews and you can compare Blood and Guts to Mentzer's HIT video. They're very different. The sad thing about bodybuilding is there is way too many uneducated dumb asses. Ex. The people that think Dorian trained like Mentzer
dorian didnt fuckin train HIT... he trained Heavy duty... they were two totally different training methods. thats why when people do HIT training they always assume they are doing it right when they arent. there is about 100 different variations. Mike mentzer did HIT, dave henry does something called DC or dogg crapp and dorian yates does heavy duty. all less training and more frequent but nowhere near the same principles and training
@wkmals ya it sucks how every time someone has some muscle some fag is instantly jealous and trys to put them down to build themselves up by saying hes on roids
@steroidsR4losers omg man your like a robot...its pathetic how much of a loser you are, i feel very very bad for your mother that you came out of her pussy. tell your fuckin dad to wear condoms so no more seeds such as yourself can come out of your moms twat, thanks.
yates didnt start to train with one set per exercise from the begining he started doing that 1992 before that he did high intesity training with 2 warmup sets and 2 real sets per exercise and he still recomend that on his webpage for begginers and intermediate bodybuilders
why do you internet MF*****s have to say idot etc. YES Mentzer did have a couple of sessions with yates and yates did take some principles from Mike. THAT IS ALL. Yates never trained the way Mike advocated 100% - yates even said that he trains different exercises for the same muscle and Mike did NOT advocate that ...this is a long discussion but don't call me names
why do you internet MF*****s have to say idot etc. YES Mentzer did have a couple of sessions with yates and yates did take some principles from Mike. THAT IS ALL. Yates never trained the way Mike advocated 100% - yates even said that he trains different exercises for the same muscle and Mike did NOT advocate that ...this is a long discussion but don't call me names
The book "Training for Mass" explains all of this concisely. (The 2nd edition just came out). HIT is actually a lot less dangerous than volume training. Everyone does HIT, including Arnold. He would do a single high-intensity set that caused him to grow. But then he did a zillion other sets, thinking that these were necessary for growth.
lol all show no go. there is no "best" way to train. thats why these guys are huge but can't do anything but pose. then you get guys like brock lesnar that are monsters, almost as big but do volume training. i love bodybuilders and bodybuilding but learn that big muscle doesn't mean super strong muscle and that there is not one "correct" way to train
Ummm that's the point of what he is talking about: getting huge and ripped, striated muscles to be able to show on a bodybuilding stage. Comparing that to ways that other people train in which they are not looking for the same goal and then saying that "there are many ways to train" (which I do agree with) does not make any sort of sense.
Brock has never been in BB contest shape, so why would I, as a bodybuilder, follow his routines and advice?
i like to mix up high intensity and volume training at different times. theres no need to train one particular way a mixture of training methods can work better
Does HIT really work? I'm tempted to begin a HIT cycle after 2 months of a classic Weider volume divided routine, but I'm a little bit sceptic about it, could you help me out please? The Weider routine worked pretty well but I'm afraid to fall in overtraining, that's why I'm interested in the HIT.
i feel as if it works, i only do it for a short time now but i dont feel overtrained anymore and learned to listen to my body.. my strenght got up, became arder but mass wise i ll have to see with time
@Donatti i would definately recommend any HIT training system as i overtrain very easily. its more mental than physical though. i started yates style HIT a few years ago and never looked back back. it gives your muscles a more dense look. for the past few months though ive trained doggcrapp, and i am really pleased with the results in terms of gains in size and strengh
Hey bud, agree 100 percent!!! With doggcrap is it rest pause and drop sets? I read you're recommended to do 1 set of like 20 reps with an extreme weight
@Martinl792002 one rest pause set per bodypart and then a widowmaker. e.g incline bench press i get 8 reps, take 15 breaths, then get 3 reps, 15 breaths and then i may get 2. thats 13 reps. the rep range though is 8-12 so i add 5 pounds each end of the bar next time. anyway, after the inclines its widowmaker time so i choose machine flye, and go to total positive failure, if i can't get 20 its too heavy. finish chest off with an extreme stretch, holding it til you can't take the pain no more
apparently Yates wouldn't go near Mentzer after winning the 1992 Mr Olympia - Weider didn't like the challenge to his long-held status as 'Trainer of Champions' - what a child!
training to 'failure' is a bit of a vague concept. mentzer used to say that failure flicks on switch of growth which is a bit simplistic. reaching failure on the 2nd rep of a set does not necessarily stimulate more growth than training to one rep shy of failure with 9 reps of a lighter weight. the real issue is the level of training damage to the muscle, which can be inflicted with a few sets just short of failure. but learn what failure really is - many guys dont go anywhere near!
you know what going to REAL failure is like - shaking, extreme facial expressions, very loud breathing, screaming/shouting (for some but not me), and difficulty moving when the set is finished. I've yet to see anyone else like that at my local gym.
I hear ya bro... I cant help but grunting fairly loud when my legs fail and I'm using my arms to help my leg press or the weight slams down on the safety bars in the power rack because I cannot stand up again lol.... legs shaking...walking up the stairs 2 flights takes you 2-3 minutes... I know it well and I have only seen 2 other people train like that... one was a nationally ranked bodybuilder the other was a wrestler....
Leg Press - o that exercise! I don't squat and deadlift and so that is the toughest one I have to do. My first set is always to total failure and wipe out and facing it is is an almost religious experience - a real test of character and then elation when it's over and legs like jelly.
I know from ten years of committed HIT training that it can be the most productive but can also be dangerous. So I never discuss it without advising caution - my main point to people is always to not be afraid of time off and reducing frequency. I dont claim to know better than anyone else because we all have our own training tale to tell, I just wanna be sure that everyone trains safely.
steroidsR4losers/superpredatorr (all the same "person", for lack of a better word)...a pathetic example of a little circus freak, grotesque and with an incredibly underdeveloped and highly unattractive body most closely resembling that of a VERY sick prepubescent girl.
From what I understand of HIT, it is most important to pay particular attention to the 3 forms in each rep which cause muscle trauma, negative, static and positive, 4 seconds up, 4 seconds down. Forget reps and sets - I believe in strictest form to failure - in 6 weeks I have seen spectacular results training 4 days on 1 off. As long as you have enough reserves to recover ie. time and money!
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM good question. I will keep this simple: Mentzer says 1 set till failure (or beyond failure). 1 or 2 exercises per bodypart..
yates did more per body part and not always 1 set. Yates training however was the closest to what Mentzer advocated than any other pro BUT remember HIT advocates always say that HIT (1 set etc) is THE ONLY WAY NO IFS AND BUTS.I think what yates is referring to are the general principles of high intensity being brief and intense followed by adequate rest.
Dorian always trained with 1 set to failure per exercise, he said so in an interview I read. He clearly stated that he did not do 1 set per execise, but 1 set to failure. Which is similar to what Mentzer said, since he always recommended doing 1-3 warm up sets before the "to failure" set.
The difference from what Mentzer advocated is that Dorian did 3-5 exercises per bodypart. While Mentzer advocated 1-2 as you said.
But I think you're absolutely right about the general principles of HIT, brief and intense workouts, are what matters the most, intead of thinking: not more than 1 exercise, etc.
If you read Arthur Jones' theories they are a little different than Dorian's or Mentzer's, but they still carry the basic principles.
Jones actually invented or came up with HIT principles, and later on Mentzer and Dorian adapted them to fit their own.
@juanprc10 yeah true BUT the only thing that i want to emphasis is that Mike and his "followers" ALWAYS have said that THEIR is THE ONLY way - according to that Dorian is overtraining PLAIN AND SIMPLE. I used to think that way and now I have reached the conclusion (long discussion) that almost all the methods have something to offer. volume training gives your muscles a different look - i don't know the scientific reason but i am convinced that is true.
1 set not including warmup/build up sets. I think the routes of these two styles is built upon principles of progressive overload and conscientious efforts not to over train. I feel this is what limited BBs back in the day, ever looked at Arnold's routines? Seriously over training
@bryanjamesgallagher If Arnold had SERIOUSLY overtrained he would never have grown EVEN WITH STERIODS and great genetics. I used to be VERY big on 1 set to failure ( Mike way to HIT)...Once stimulation is achieved anything over that is overtraining....that is great in theory BUT there are many variables...what really is stimulation (both Arnold and Mike would have different views). GENERALLY the principles are sound and a way up call BUT you can't narrow it down the way Mike Mentzer did.
@JPbbfl yeap. I remember watching his last video - he was smoking and looked like he was a very old man - he looked and spoke like an ill man. I do respect him though.
Yeah. I don't think an average man with a wife and kids and demanding job could train that way anyway. Thats the beauty of abbreviated training.... it's all most of us could do time wise anyway; and it works great.
As they say, there is no such thing as over training, just under eating :D But I agree, Arnie was an absolute freak of nature in the gym. Him, Steve Michalik, John Defendis and Branch Warren are a few guys who come to mind.
I like HIT training b/c you can really focus in on that brief high intensity time frame. You can "give it your all" b/c you're zoned in for a shorter amount of time.
AlohaStadium 4 days ago
I think just like Dorian. I'm so motivated I sometimes forget to take enough rest. I also hate it when I have an injury and people tell me to take pain killers like aspirin or whatever.
I don't care about the pain! I just want to be able to train!
Michel0555 6 days ago
thanks to this guy, i've increased more in weights this month than in 3 months :D
diwnohsaur 1 week ago
The secret to building muscle... grab a fucking weight and workout. That is not intended to any of you guys, just the damn people who are always looking for a shortcut to see results. lazy bastards.
shurdawg 1 week ago
all I know since I been doing H.I.T. is my squat has went up from 135 pounds for 6 reps to 145 pound for 6 reps in just 3 months and now I can hold my head up high and enjoy the fact that I have shocked the world and now my next goal is to be able to squat 175 pounds for 6 reps before next Christmas and when I do i'll know that i'm one powerful individual with incredible squatting power.
Eddie2446 1 week ago
@Eddie2446 well done m8, good on ya...
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 1 week ago
@Eddie2446 you should try the 5x5 program.. i've went from 135 squat to 245 in 14 weeks..
swifttiga 1 week ago
@Eddie2446 10 pounds in 3 months, thats nothin :P
pawlo669 4 days ago
He recommends HIT yet he was the most injured Mr O ever, think about it.
BiodegradeableMan 2 weeks ago
Everyone thinks there's some big secret to lifting or shortcut. HIT, this, that. You know what the secret is? "Start your workout with compound movements, use isolation movements for the secondary muscles involved in your workout, always use a weight,rep speed/rep range that will work the muscle/s just right for the condition you are in when your working out. Choose a target rep range, hit it, maybe exceed it. No one can tell you how to lift or what intensity. No shortcuts.
sz42781 3 weeks ago
@sz42781 i 100% agree, the biggest secret in bodybuilding is there is know secret.
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 3 weeks ago 2
Try this:Every 3rd week replace the hit day with a high volume day.Make the rest between sets longer than the hit day.But dont do all the week high volume training.
For example do the 1st day chest and biceps hit,2day back hit,3 day soulders triceps High volume,4day legs hit.
Next week 1st day chest and biceps high volume,2day back hit,3 day hit and 4 day hit and so on.
The day of volume training eat at least 300 callories more than the same hit day,600 more for the leg day.
pap0279gr 2 months ago
ive never seen one video of yates doin hit training
nickallah 6 months ago
@nickallah so you never saw him training
sknzin182 6 months ago
indiekook is kooky and stupid
ihcatihjwh 7 months ago
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steroidsR4losingfags 6 months ago
-ok guys listen up: you shouldn't train to failure too often (actually never would be better) cuz it fucks up your recovery ability and burns the fuck out your cns ... if you still want to go that hard, just try the high rep squats .
indieKook 9 months ago
@indieKook yeh! i use to think that to, then started to train to failure, gains in strength and size skyrocketed so im never going back.. ever.. H.I.T and DC for life...to create the best environment for hypertrophy you need to use and recruit muscle fibers, for this to take place anything BUT failure just wont do.
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 9 months ago 9
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM true but gotta talk from myself, i have a body which gets injured quickly (even though a 10 years of soccer and 6 years of kickboxing backgrounds) and if i go to, or beyond failure i get injured lightning fast (usually on the delt-wrist areas) plus extended recovery times due to local pain/injury my workouts turned into somekind of 1 step forward - 3 steps backward stuff . im just trying to listen my bodys voice, and recommend it to all who afraids of getting injured for reasons
indieKook 9 months ago
@indieKook yehh, cool mate, its just you said "ok guys listen up: you shouldn't train to failure too often (actually never would be better)" impliying this advice was for everyone, not just yourself.
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 9 months ago
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM ohh yeah it is still a general advice for novice to intermediate guys around; i just wanted to explain the reasons for this with sharing some examples of my own.
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steroidsR4pussys 8 months ago
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM just curious... do you train on a one day a week or two days a week routine?
lloyd011721 6 months ago
@lloyd011721 when useing HIT 2 ..... im usenig DC now and love it..
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 6 months ago
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM DC? and ive been hitting each muscle group twice a week, about to switch to once a week for a while and see what happens...
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steroidsR4losingfags 6 months ago
@i: A big problem in HIT is focusing on reps. This causes breaks in form, & injuries. Focus must be on form, (non - explosive rep speed, no jerking, no tensing of unrelated musculature, no breath-holding, smooth turnarounds), no matter how close one might be to finishing that next rep. Better results come from resisting the negative at the finish of a set as long as possible, rather than cheating to finish another rep.
lazur1 6 months ago
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM Can you explain what H.I.T is?
helpvidz 5 months ago
@helpvidz The fundamental principles of High Intensity Training (HIT) are that exercise should be brief, infrequent, and intense. Exercises are performed with a high level of effort, or intensity, where it is thought that it will stimulate the body to produce an increase in muscular strength and size. Advocates of HIT believe that this method is superior for strength and size building than most other methods which, for example, may stress lower weights with larger volume (reps).
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 5 months ago
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM Thank you. When you say infrequent, does that mean once a week or what? Also, what exactly does brief mean?
helpvidz 5 months ago
@helpvidz 3-4 days a week, 30 mins in the gym.
roach062 3 months ago
@roach062 Ok. Thank you for responding.
helpvidz 3 months ago
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM what is dc ? , just tried HIT ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT
SNaRF66666666 2 months ago
@SNaRF66666666 DC = Dogg Crap training, Dante Tridell i believe is his name, he's the founder.......based on the rest pause principal...you should look into it, it is unique to say the least.
badrock4 1 month ago
@badrock4 o yes i have tried it , was terrible for shoulders but ok for the rest , (hurt my shoulders)
SNaRF66666666 1 month ago
@SNaRF66666666 what hurt your shoulders HIT? lol
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 1 month ago
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM ya i have to do set with 230 lbs, the next day shit is terrible
superset shoulder press and lateral raises
SNaRF66666666 1 month ago
@SNaRF66666666 Agreed, i think its a nice mix up from the norm, but it definitely will take a toll on ones shoulderrs
badrock4 1 month ago
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM bro you and me think exactly the same, i train to failure on every rep i do, srsly fuck the other guys in the gym who train till the pain starts and then complain is better for your muscle in some way, at the end i show my muscle, and u see the fckng diffrence, long live yates
grimlinmonk 6 days ago
@i: "shouldn't train to failure to often". True: Full-body HITs workouts: 2x/wk beginners , 1x/wk intermediate, less often advanced, often MUCH less. / It's SUPPOSED to greatly affect recovery & CNS, but you DO recover, & then, you're stronger. The confusion arises from overtraining during an athlete's season of competition: If a player's working hard at practice & competition, he should avoid HIT, but he should avoid ALL heavy strength training right before or soon after these activities.
lazur1 6 months ago
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM hang on let me check my notes... "runs away"
fuxu123 10 months ago
i have a phd in exercise science and i say that training to failure after one rep is the best way to train and im also a former US general of the 101st army division
fuxu123 10 months ago
@fuxu123
Yeah well I invented the question mark.
superwowie111 10 months ago
@fuxu123 Yeah of course you do.
rxs10000 9 months ago
@fuxu123 no shit ! they've done studies on training to failure...and training to failure with 30 % 1RM is better for muscle hypertrophy than 90% 1RM. so wat kinda sense you training to make?
dgarver1992 9 months ago
@dgarver1992 actually training with 70% 1RM is better for hypertrophy.. using a weight you can achieve 8-12 reps (hypertrophy range) with. 30% 1RM would merely tax your CNS and increase muscle fatigue and endurance.. so what kind of sense are you talking?
jgorerowe 9 months ago
@jgorerowe yea thats an obvious if youve studied it you fucking idiot. i didnt say that was the case. i was comparing training to failure with 30 percent and 90 percent. not 70. so wat the fuk are you talking about? cuz you obviously dont understand wat i was comparing.
dgarver1992 9 months ago
@dgarver1992 haha listen to you rev up like every other youtube warrior. lol..
jgorerowe 9 months ago
@jgorerowe i was proving a point.. not trying to be a "warrior". i also dont get revd up. although it might sound like it especially if one curses. glad i could make u laugh?
dgarver1992 9 months ago
@mikper7
yeah nothing wrong with HIT training at all.. as well as HIIT i like to go on HIT training for 3 weeks then do HIIT for a week jsut to keep my body in shock and to keep my vo2max up as high as i can with out having to run a stupid amount of miles. Now for the SF guy it is impractical to be a body builder.. there are a lot of reasons.. from gear fitting you correctly if you get too big to being able to move your body in a firefight.. As a soldier i know first hand.. I still body build
jonathanrayhargrove1 10 months ago
Mentzer didn't train him, he trained with him at one point but Dorian himself said that Mike was not his trainer. Dorian did read his books and watched his movies to better refine his own technique but HIT is his take on High Intensity Low Volume.
ZachRduo 11 months ago
um there is nothing wrong with HIT training. I had cancer, and began training after i finished treatment, HIT training helped me get into the best shape i had ever been in in my life, and recover and rebuild from cancer. My doctors were astounded at my blood tests and how healthy they were. My lung capacity increased too. This is with very little cardio.
Diocletian09 11 months ago
I trained for 10 years 4-6 days a week 1-1½ hours and saw very poor results. I bumped into Mike in the mid 90's and his advice made me realize how stupid volume training is not to say downright unhealthy. I then trained 30 minutes 3 times per month a gained15kg of pure mass in less then 6 month. No juice no supplement no special diet. Best thing is if I dont train for a month I come back just as strong. Also all my injuries and cronic backpain is gone.
Musklerr 1 year ago
@Musklerr gained 15kg of lean mass in less than 6 months Lmao....you keep telling yourself that mate :D
andysutils1 1 year ago 2
@andysutils1 Well I'm sorry you train with your head under your arm and se poor results because you have louse genetics ;) cheers
Musklerr 11 months ago
@andysutils1 If someone who's trained-on a lot of mass loses it during a lay-off, it will come back very quickly. i also doubt Muskler used credible lean mass measuring methods: Often fat accumulates under & in the muscles, not under the skin & 'soft', very misleading. I suspect Muskler's leaving out a lot of details, but not necessarily lying outright.
lazur1 10 months ago
@Musklerr Do you have a job as a professional liar?
tallica1988 11 months ago
Plus when you eat the amount of food that you normally eat to take yourself seriously as a body builder your going to have high blood pressure and high blood pressure has MANY negative effects on the body. (I'm in the medical field presently by the way)
rascalMatt17 1 year ago
Apparently Arnold's heart surgeries were related to a birth defect.
rascalMatt17 1 year ago
Mike Mentzer himself died of heart complications and i believe Arnold has had 3 heart surgeries but i haven't verified that yet.
rascalMatt17 1 year ago
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Dorian was injured alot. I owned "Blood and Guts" back in the late nineties. I disagree with building up to a single set of "failure". I was in a special operations unit and i learned through experience the best way to build a strong body that looks great and more importantly FUNCTIONS properly is to go to failure or near failure every set. With few exceptions. I was heavily into bodybuilding for 4 1/2 yrs. but i would never do that again. It's bad for your heart and other organs and impractical
rascalMatt17 1 year ago
@rascalMatt17 who told you training to failure 1 set Is bad for your heart and other organs? because that is totaly ridiculous!! overtraing 5 sets on everything then doing hour cardio is impractical and WILL be harder on the heart and other organs!!
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 1 year ago 22
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM thats not what he is saying, he's saying bodybuilding in general is bad for you.. although i disagree with him..
zimple007 1 year ago
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM Yeah hahah :)) what a joke! Marathon training is dangerous! I agree
Musklerr 1 year ago
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM It's not the training for one set of failure that's bad for your heart it's being that large. When you force your body to be unnaturally large, it forces your heart and other organs to work much harder similar to being overweight/obese. Obese people have other problems too such as high lipid levels etc. To much to talk about right now. But many bodybuilders have had heart problems. I understand that when your in and around your 20's it's very tempting to get as big as possible.
rascalMatt17 1 year ago
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM Yeah it's funny how a guy in a "special operations unit" (whatever the hell that is) suddenly has an MD and PhD in exercise physiology, and is qualified to tell the rest of us that training 1 set to failure is "bad for your heart and other organs," with absolutely zero scientific evidence to back up his claims. The only scientific evidence regarding training 1 set to failure is that it is JUST AS EFFECTIVE as training for more than 1 set...plain and simple.
mikper7 10 months ago
@mikper7 Your a complete idiot ! lol Nice spin there loser. I never said anything about HIT being bad for your heart !! I said bodybuilding in general is bad for your health because of body mass index and typical body building diets. (MANY including Dorian Yates have espoused low fiber diets) Read Mike Matarazzo's quote, bottom of his wikipedia page. You don't need a PhD in exercise physiology to know that. You just need a medical background. WHICH I HAVE IDIOT. I'm presently in medical school.
rascalMatt17 6 months ago
@rascalMatt17 Who the fuck are you, and if you are indeed in Med School, why are you wasting your time arguing with people on the Internet? You are one pissed off fucking nerd, HA, HA!
mikper7 6 months ago
@mikper7 Who the fuck am i ? I'm a decorated special operations veteran who's in medical school. Who the fuck are you ? LOL So because i go onto youtube during study breaks i'm somehow a nerd? Please you fucking twot. You likely haven't done shit in your life. You have no idea what to say and it's funny to me that your little comment wasn't directed to me but to some other dude. Go get a life.
rascalMatt17 6 months ago
@rascalMatt17 Whatever you say there Dwight Shrute.
mikper7 6 months ago
@rascalMatt17 You putzy litle dork. I'm gonna decorate your mother's asshole with my sperm.
mikper7 6 months ago
@mikper7 Actually, the clinical term would be "her anus." But you're in Med School, you know this.
mikper7 6 months ago
@mikper7 She actually died while i was in Ranger School back in 2004 so if fucking corpses is your thing..... Of course if you did desecrate the grave i'd slit your throat.
rascalMatt17 6 months ago
@rascalMatt17 No, I'm no corpse fucker. And by Ranger, you mean Cock Ranger, obviously. That clarifies things, thanks!
mikper7 6 months ago
@mikper7 What does it feel like to be a worthless piece of shit ? It must suck pretty damn bad.
rascalMatt17 5 months ago
@rascalMatt17 Great comeback! Man you are one witty fucking med school student!
mikper7 5 months ago
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM Hey idiot !! i never said HIT training was "bad" for you, your heart etc. I said "BODYBUILDING IN GENERAL" is bad for you because of how may calories your taking in, (amount of protein) and body mass index. (high blood pressure etc.) Cardio vascular endurance is good because it keeps the heart strong and you end up with a lower resting heart rate. ie Lance Armstrongs rate has been recorded in the 30's. Go to wikipedia and read "Mike Matarazzo's" quote at the bottom of his page.
rascalMatt17 6 months ago
@r:Armstrong's NOT healthy. Testicular cancer & aged skin due to a combo of ultra-endurance training, & a high sugar diet. His elite VO2 max & low heart rate is a genetic trait that can only be enhanced to minimal degree via training, just as huge bodybuilders have a genetic tendency to easily put on lean mass with virtually any training). The case against bodybuilding also applies to endurance training: They both are healthy activities, but NOT when done competitively.
lazur1 6 months ago
@lazur1 I never said Armstrong WAS healthy you fucking dim wit.... LOL you fucking people are idiots. I used Armstrong as an example that people universally know as someone who participates in endurance training and achieved an ultra low resting heart rate. My own heart rate was down around 52 beats a minute at times. does that mean i'm genetically predisposed to it? FUCK NO ! It's from all the training i was doing. I seriously doubt Armstrong was stupid enough to consume a sugar rich diet.
rascalMatt17 6 months ago
@r: Your post implies you believe endurance athletes to be healthier than bodybuilders. / There are 100s of 1000s of trainees who'll never get their resting rate low as yours, no matter how they train: You DO have a predisposition, which influenced your choice of activity, & is further enhanced by training, but Lance's is virtually that low while racing . He & others like him consume sugar in the believe that, because they burn it all off, there are no health consequences. He's wrong.
lazur1 6 months ago
@r: Assuming that you've trained as heard as you can, why do you think Lance's best RHR is 20 BPM lower than yours? Are you slacking off? What would it take to get you to 32BPM? Train even harder? Real answer: Have a different set of parents. Same reason others are 20 BPM faster than you.
lazur1 6 months ago
@r:"The life of a road cyclist means....wolfing candy bars...6,000 calories a day." (Lance Armstrong: "It's Not About the Bike: My Journey Back Into Life".
lazur1 6 months ago
@lazur1 Sucrose will cause arterioschlerosis. I'm sure Armstrong was using variations of complex carbohydrates and not refined sugars. He most certainly had access to if not his own dietician/s. Not only that but you don't just get to be a "huge body builder" without forcing your body into that state through a combination of drugs, force feeding and insane training regimens.
rascalMatt17 6 months ago
@r: Let's wait & see what Lance dies of, & how old he is. You're right about huge competitive BBers, but they still need to begin with the predisposition. There's nothing sadder than a force-fed, insanely-trained steroid freak who doesn't have the right genes, and still looks like a beanpole or a fireplug. There are 1,000s of them for every 1 who actually looks like a BBer.
lazur1 6 months ago
@r:"Bodybuilding, a Scientific Approach" , Fred Hatfield: Test proves his heart is as strong as any marathoner's; he merely has a short thick heavy body that isn't suited to long distance running. "Keep(s)ing the heart strong" via training is a misunderstanding of how the body works: What endurance training actually does is train the muscle / develop mitochondria, to take much of the workload off of the heart. The effect is the same, but the heart itself doesn't get any stronger.
lazur1 6 months ago
@rascalMatt17 LOL are you serious??
zoomz11 1 year ago 2
@rascalMatt17 Never do what again? Do you mean the Yates way of thinking about building up to 1 set of failure? Is that what you mean is bad for your heart etc? Be great to hear back from you on this. Cheers! :)
jlebesis 1 year ago
@jlebesis Im not saying anything bad about HIT. I simply commented that bodybuilding overall did bad things to different body systems especially over time. Moderation is best. Trying to become a monster will get you in the hospital. I realize that 20 somethings will eat like a horse and train extremely hard. I just stated that my preference is a great intensity on each set throughout the workout but i was going for more real world results not a show body.
rascalMatt17 6 months ago
@r: Problem with arguing pros & cons of bodybuilding is that bodybuilding, over a relatively short history, has been different things. Ronnie Coleman & Jack Lalanne: 2 men about as different in their methods & intentions as 2 men could be, are both bodybuilders. If ones' intent is to be as fit & healthy as possible, an HIT bodybuilding type of workout is a great choice. Being a successful modern pro bodybuilder is not healthy.
lazur1 5 months ago
@rascalMatt17 Every single sentence in your entire comment is stupid.
MEELATEHGRIL 1 year ago
@MEELATEHGRIL There's a reason there's a body mass index. I've known to many big dudes who would tear their knees up rucking and running in special operations.EX.green beret torn meniscus on star course)If you want to body build fine... just realize that being that big is not only hard on your heart and other organs but it's hard on your joints, especially knees and back. WHEN you get that serious injury lifting all your hard work will go down the drain. Plus your worthless as a special operator
rascalMatt17 1 year ago
@rascalMatt17 How much crack do you smoke on a daily basis these days?
MEELATEHGRIL 1 year ago
@rascalMatt17 its true, cant not coexist bodybuildin et army special operations end other stuff,
i now becaus i'm in foreing legion...;)
jivasasha 6 months ago
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jivasasha 6 months ago
@rascalMatt17 Bodybuilding is actually really great for your health if you do it naturally
AbsoluteZ3R0 11 months ago
@AbsoluteZ3R0 Bodybuilding isn't JUST lifting weights though. So if you want to get technical you have to adress diet and sleep. Those are the other two keystones to go along with your training. If your diet is unhealthy, (insane amounts of red meat and other proteins) then your going to end up with heart and other problems. Those problems don't require roids.... just an ignorant diet that's unhealthy ie wrong food choices.
rascalMatt17 6 months ago
@r: Muscles have better blood supply than tendons, so steroids create muscle strength disproportionate to tendon strength: users are strong enough to tear muscle from tendon.This won't happen to clean trainees. Dorian's injuries are due to steroid use, but also from NOT always following HIT guideline of non-explosive movement. Proper breathing assures no heart issues whatsoever, & as 62 year old who's followed these principles for 1/2 my life, my "other organs" are all in fine shape.
lazur1 10 months ago
@lazur1 That's why people take HGH. It strengthens ligaments and tendons.
rascalMatt17 6 months ago
@rascalMatt17 That makes sense..there seems to be less of that type of injury since HGH became prevalent. Back in the day, some huge guys tore out their biceps with super-light warm-up weights.
lazur1 6 months ago
And take copious amounts of steroids, HGH, and diuretics.
dhuge67 1 year ago
I wonder if Yorian dates.
royorbitol 1 year ago
As important as it is to force yourself to work harder... It's just as important, especially for HIT followers, to force yourself to BACK OFF training every so often. I regularly take a week off every few months... It doesn't hurt my training and keeps me healthy jointwise.
BigBlue0002 1 year ago 2
@BigBlue0002 yep i take a week completely off after a cycle of ten weeks or so.
dkswede 1 year ago
@BigBlue0002 That is very wise advice!!
jlebesis 1 year ago
Mentzer was an idiot! And Dorian trained with high volume!
7Mefisto 1 year ago
You can't get results like that without HIT. Anything but high intensity is a waste of time.
faffaflunkie 1 year ago
Mike Mentzer you to train to failure, that's where Dorian Yates learn his stuff from.
Dorian Yates lifted extreme weights but always with form pointed out the negativity of the movement was the most important part of the rep.
His 2010 blood and gut training video is impressive and what I follow, since starting his program 3 weeks ago I've made massive gain in muscle and strength and recommend it to everyone who want to change up their workouts.
burd1234 1 year ago
@burd1234 your going to see gains with just about any "change" in your workout. Obviously some techniques will work better than others but to see everyone praising this method is a bit much.
rascalMatt17 1 year ago
@rascalMatt17 good point but I've train for about 5 years and I do notice the difference, I'm stronger, gained more muscle, but I need to stress to ppl that your diet plan must be strict if you wish to fully embrace H.I.T intensity training, and for me Dorian Yates training video Blood and Guts is the best one out there.
Granted its not for everyone, but the best part beside all the training is the less time you spend in the gym.
burd1234 1 year ago
I wish I could find one video where Yates trains the way Mentzer stated to train.
Chad01234 1 year ago
Words of wisdom from a master. Especially for the natural athletes among us (no disrespect WHATSOEVER for Mr. Yates, who trained harder than anyone to be the best), I think it is important to key in on the mention of resting for minor injuries. I have forced my way through slight orthopedic complications that could have probably been greatly diminished had I taken a week or two off. However, I trained through them, and they took much, much longer to heal. Great words of wisdom from Mr. Yates.
Danger555 1 year ago
Dorian Yates' training style and Mentzers' training style were pretty different. Dorian says he trained with Mike a few times and picked up some of his philosphies, but made it in a style of his own. He says this numerous times in interviews and you can compare Blood and Guts to Mentzer's HIT video. They're very different. The sad thing about bodybuilding is there is way too many uneducated dumb asses. Ex. The people that think Dorian trained like Mentzer
chrisnole1 1 year ago
@boseffis cause he can't buy them :))
MrBuByLa 1 year ago
dorian didnt fuckin train HIT... he trained Heavy duty... they were two totally different training methods. thats why when people do HIT training they always assume they are doing it right when they arent. there is about 100 different variations. Mike mentzer did HIT, dave henry does something called DC or dogg crapp and dorian yates does heavy duty. all less training and more frequent but nowhere near the same principles and training
MrRanger1987 1 year ago
@MrRanger1987 actually HIT training includes LESS frequent workouts
pmango1000 1 year ago
@pmango1000 i know HIIT- less frequent mike mentzer, Heavy duty= more frequent dorian yates with a higher volume each workout that HIIT.
MrRanger1987 1 year ago
@steroidsR4losers believe it or not there is such a thing as hard work
AdangerousRETARD 1 year ago
@AdangerousRETARD well said,hard work pays off
wkmals 1 year ago
@wkmals ya it sucks how every time someone has some muscle some fag is instantly jealous and trys to put them down to build themselves up by saying hes on roids
AdangerousRETARD 1 year ago 2
@steroidsR4losers omg man your like a robot...its pathetic how much of a loser you are, i feel very very bad for your mother that you came out of her pussy. tell your fuckin dad to wear condoms so no more seeds such as yourself can come out of your moms twat, thanks.
sellyintegra 1 year ago
Formular One Car > You Have to Push The Boundaries.> To Find What > Is.
harmonicgrunt 1 year ago
You cant train like that if your not on PED'S. How the hell are you ever going to recover? Youll just overtrain.
xXFocusRecord 1 year ago
I love how the interviewer adds her opinion while asking her question as if she's been there.
StanBennet 1 year ago
yates didnt start to train with one set per exercise from the begining he started doing that 1992 before that he did high intesity training with 2 warmup sets and 2 real sets per exercise and he still recomend that on his webpage for begginers and intermediate bodybuilders
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olimits 1 year ago
why do you internet MF*****s have to say idot etc. YES Mentzer did have a couple of sessions with yates and yates did take some principles from Mike. THAT IS ALL. Yates never trained the way Mike advocated 100% - yates even said that he trains different exercises for the same muscle and Mike did NOT advocate that ...this is a long discussion but don't call me names
AIMANALI 1 year ago
why do you internet MF*****s have to say idot etc. YES Mentzer did have a couple of sessions with yates and yates did take some principles from Mike. THAT IS ALL. Yates never trained the way Mike advocated 100% - yates even said that he trains different exercises for the same muscle and Mike did NOT advocate that ...this is a long discussion but don't call me names
AIMANALI 1 year ago
The book "Training for Mass" explains all of this concisely. (The 2nd edition just came out). HIT is actually a lot less dangerous than volume training. Everyone does HIT, including Arnold. He would do a single high-intensity set that caused him to grow. But then he did a zillion other sets, thinking that these were necessary for growth.
altratronic 1 year ago
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MrDeca86 1 year ago
dude fuck you are literally gay
skate2liv123 1 year ago
lol all show no go. there is no "best" way to train. thats why these guys are huge but can't do anything but pose. then you get guys like brock lesnar that are monsters, almost as big but do volume training. i love bodybuilders and bodybuilding but learn that big muscle doesn't mean super strong muscle and that there is not one "correct" way to train
dalton231 1 year ago
@dalton231
Ummm that's the point of what he is talking about: getting huge and ripped, striated muscles to be able to show on a bodybuilding stage. Comparing that to ways that other people train in which they are not looking for the same goal and then saying that "there are many ways to train" (which I do agree with) does not make any sort of sense.
Brock has never been in BB contest shape, so why would I, as a bodybuilder, follow his routines and advice?
FewL4no1 1 year ago
i like to mix up high intensity and volume training at different times. theres no need to train one particular way a mixture of training methods can work better
gymboy99 2 years ago
Does HIT really work? I'm tempted to begin a HIT cycle after 2 months of a classic Weider volume divided routine, but I'm a little bit sceptic about it, could you help me out please? The Weider routine worked pretty well but I'm afraid to fall in overtraining, that's why I'm interested in the HIT.
Donatti 2 years ago
HIT is effective when you are looking to gain size but you have to eat a lot of calories to support your body during the heavy training
gymboy99 2 years ago
i feel as if it works, i only do it for a short time now but i dont feel overtrained anymore and learned to listen to my body.. my strenght got up, became arder but mass wise i ll have to see with time
mctradewind 1 year ago
@Donatti i would definately recommend any HIT training system as i overtrain very easily. its more mental than physical though. i started yates style HIT a few years ago and never looked back back. it gives your muscles a more dense look. for the past few months though ive trained doggcrapp, and i am really pleased with the results in terms of gains in size and strengh
doggcrappDAVE 1 year ago
Hey bud, agree 100 percent!!! With doggcrap is it rest pause and drop sets? I read you're recommended to do 1 set of like 20 reps with an extreme weight
Martinl792002 1 year ago
@Martinl792002 one rest pause set per bodypart and then a widowmaker. e.g incline bench press i get 8 reps, take 15 breaths, then get 3 reps, 15 breaths and then i may get 2. thats 13 reps. the rep range though is 8-12 so i add 5 pounds each end of the bar next time. anyway, after the inclines its widowmaker time so i choose machine flye, and go to total positive failure, if i can't get 20 its too heavy. finish chest off with an extreme stretch, holding it til you can't take the pain no more
doggcrappDAVE 1 year ago
apparently Yates wouldn't go near Mentzer after winning the 1992 Mr Olympia - Weider didn't like the challenge to his long-held status as 'Trainer of Champions' - what a child!
houghhill 2 years ago
training to 'failure' is a bit of a vague concept. mentzer used to say that failure flicks on switch of growth which is a bit simplistic. reaching failure on the 2nd rep of a set does not necessarily stimulate more growth than training to one rep shy of failure with 9 reps of a lighter weight. the real issue is the level of training damage to the muscle, which can be inflicted with a few sets just short of failure. but learn what failure really is - many guys dont go anywhere near!
houghhill 2 years ago
Thats because most people are pussies
njshoremortgage 2 years ago
you know what going to REAL failure is like - shaking, extreme facial expressions, very loud breathing, screaming/shouting (for some but not me), and difficulty moving when the set is finished. I've yet to see anyone else like that at my local gym.
houghhill 2 years ago
I hear ya bro... I cant help but grunting fairly loud when my legs fail and I'm using my arms to help my leg press or the weight slams down on the safety bars in the power rack because I cannot stand up again lol.... legs shaking...walking up the stairs 2 flights takes you 2-3 minutes... I know it well and I have only seen 2 other people train like that... one was a nationally ranked bodybuilder the other was a wrestler....
njshoremortgage 2 years ago
Leg Press - o that exercise! I don't squat and deadlift and so that is the toughest one I have to do. My first set is always to total failure and wipe out and facing it is is an almost religious experience - a real test of character and then elation when it's over and legs like jelly.
houghhill 2 years ago
I know from ten years of committed HIT training that it can be the most productive but can also be dangerous. So I never discuss it without advising caution - my main point to people is always to not be afraid of time off and reducing frequency. I dont claim to know better than anyone else because we all have our own training tale to tell, I just wanna be sure that everyone trains safely.
houghhill 2 years ago
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SteroidsR4RealMen 2 years ago
lol you have no brain if you if you think that.
gloys1 2 years ago
hi, where was this and when,
thanks!
twohandsanyhow 2 years ago
From what I understand of HIT, it is most important to pay particular attention to the 3 forms in each rep which cause muscle trauma, negative, static and positive, 4 seconds up, 4 seconds down. Forget reps and sets - I believe in strictest form to failure - in 6 weeks I have seen spectacular results training 4 days on 1 off. As long as you have enough reserves to recover ie. time and money!
philipjterry 2 years ago
yates never trained the way mike mentzer reffered to H I T
AIMANALI 2 years ago 3
how do you know?
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 2 years ago 10
@IDMWEIGHTSIDM good question. I will keep this simple: Mentzer says 1 set till failure (or beyond failure). 1 or 2 exercises per bodypart..
yates did more per body part and not always 1 set. Yates training however was the closest to what Mentzer advocated than any other pro BUT remember HIT advocates always say that HIT (1 set etc) is THE ONLY WAY NO IFS AND BUTS.I think what yates is referring to are the general principles of high intensity being brief and intense followed by adequate rest.
AIMANALI 2 years ago
Dorian always trained with 1 set to failure per exercise, he said so in an interview I read. He clearly stated that he did not do 1 set per execise, but 1 set to failure. Which is similar to what Mentzer said, since he always recommended doing 1-3 warm up sets before the "to failure" set.
The difference from what Mentzer advocated is that Dorian did 3-5 exercises per bodypart. While Mentzer advocated 1-2 as you said.
juanprc10 2 years ago 2
But I think you're absolutely right about the general principles of HIT, brief and intense workouts, are what matters the most, intead of thinking: not more than 1 exercise, etc.
If you read Arthur Jones' theories they are a little different than Dorian's or Mentzer's, but they still carry the basic principles.
Jones actually invented or came up with HIT principles, and later on Mentzer and Dorian adapted them to fit their own.
juanprc10 2 years ago
@juanprc10 yeah true BUT the only thing that i want to emphasis is that Mike and his "followers" ALWAYS have said that THEIR is THE ONLY way - according to that Dorian is overtraining PLAIN AND SIMPLE. I used to think that way and now I have reached the conclusion (long discussion) that almost all the methods have something to offer. volume training gives your muscles a different look - i don't know the scientific reason but i am convinced that is true.
AIMANALI 2 years ago
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fwaapo 2 years ago
@fwaapo why r you calling me a damn fool ?
AIMANALI 2 years ago
cuz yer dick stinks
fwaapo 2 years ago
1 set not including warmup/build up sets. I think the routes of these two styles is built upon principles of progressive overload and conscientious efforts not to over train. I feel this is what limited BBs back in the day, ever looked at Arnold's routines? Seriously over training
bryanjamesgallagher 2 years ago 3
@bryanjamesgallagher If Arnold had SERIOUSLY overtrained he would never have grown EVEN WITH STERIODS and great genetics. I used to be VERY big on 1 set to failure ( Mike way to HIT)...Once stimulation is achieved anything over that is overtraining....that is great in theory BUT there are many variables...what really is stimulation (both Arnold and Mike would have different views). GENERALLY the principles are sound and a way up call BUT you can't narrow it down the way Mike Mentzer did.
AIMANALI 2 years ago 2
@AIMANALI I agree with you. The problem is that Mentzer's way is too extreme. Too much recovery time and little stimulation.
JPbbfl 2 years ago
@JPbbfl yeap. I remember watching his last video - he was smoking and looked like he was a very old man - he looked and spoke like an ill man. I do respect him though.
AIMANALI 2 years ago
Yeah. I don't think an average man with a wife and kids and demanding job could train that way anyway. Thats the beauty of abbreviated training.... it's all most of us could do time wise anyway; and it works great.
DanLetts97 2 years ago
@bryanjamesgallagher
As they say, there is no such thing as over training, just under eating :D But I agree, Arnie was an absolute freak of nature in the gym. Him, Steve Michalik, John Defendis and Branch Warren are a few guys who come to mind.