RAV4-EV Battery story - part one (1)

[toyotaprius79]

So these NiMH batteries are better than the Li-Ion batteries Nissan and Renault invested €5bl in.

[ElectricCarFan]

When your pack eventually does die, could you refurbish it? Kind of like replacing the "Core" in a Lead Acid SLI battery? Or does Nickel-Metal Hydride not work like that?

[BatusaiJack]

some nice batteries.

[pfun41]

where can you get these batteries?

[johnson1095]

i thought that nickle-metal hydryd were less efficiant then Lithium batteries? Also, i thought that these batteris overheated and weren't laminated like the ones we see in "Better Place" cars?!

[sirdavidbowie]

Thanks so much live oil free.....the planet earth thanks you! Wouldn't it be great if on a nominated day we all didn't drive combustion cars in protest to the rich oil and car mongrels of the world.

[eerfmi]

The fight will be hard, the EV is in total contradiction with our current monetary system. The internal combustion car "system" we have is design to generate profit AND taxes: Fuel cost, life span, maintenance...is all part of the system and is designed in that way. The EV is the opposite, it's the real freedom. Will the gov. let you escape from taxes from fuel, CO2 emission & maintenance by having an EV and charging it at home with solar panels? I think not... They (WE) are too much in debt.

[hephaestus88]

Is that the whole battery? I thought it would be much bigger.

If that is the whole battery, you could design batteries in a way that you can take them out at night and charge them at home, which is the only way of operating an EV if you don't have a garage.

[eerfmi]

No, this is a 12V pack (1.2V cell x 10)... He said the car run on 288V so it's part of a 24 Packs of 12V batteries = 288Volts...

[capitalflush]

Is this the battery that got Panasonic sued?

[liveoilfree]

Yes, this is the one that Toyota apparently was compelled to agree never to produce again, the "improved" version that Chevron sued them over.

[shakaama]

so with quality control and premium ingredients you can have a SLI battery that lasts for 100 years? and be safe? and get 400 mile range?

[liveoilfree]

"SLI" is a term applied to the battery in a gasoline car, not an EV, so it's not appropriate to use with "range". The SLI battery is used only for "Starting, Lighting, Ignition", is not stressed as much as an EV battery.

[shakaama]

was simply refering to the lead acid battery you discussed in your vid.

[liveoilfree]

NP, thanks for your comment. With good lead acid EV batteries they might last 100,000 miles, maybe more, but not 100 years.

[shakaama]

i know i can... as a consumer, order a car directly from the car company and pay for it cash and have it delivered.

Can we then ask directly for an EV?

My uncle used to be one of the VP's for GM west coast division, so i know ordering can be done.

[liveoilfree]

I wish. So far, the only real EVs are the Tesla and the eBox. No Auto Alliance car can plug in, and all Auto Alliance members still want to crush the Electric car.

[sssmmookkiinngggg]

awesome!

[sssmmookkiinngggg]

awesome!

[sssmmookkiinngggg]

awesome!

[JakesOnline]

Thank you for fighting the fight.

[ubuibiok]

In The Constitution of the United States of America, Liberty is generally considered a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the ability to act according to his or her own will and in the 5th Amendment, Eminent Domain applies to government and third parties to seize for economic development rights in property, without the owner's consent. I believe Toyota has a good case to file for the Batter Mfr. rights.

[terrorist420x]

I want those EV95s soooo bad. Not as much power as I'd like, but double the range of conventional lead acid per unit weight...

The original Delco PbA batteries in the EV1 sucked ass. Optimas could have done the job just fine, but Panasonic worked well too. Ovonic NiMH gave 150 mph range, and John Wayland lead fotting it at 80 mph got 130 miles range! Pussyfooting it in a Tour De Sol, someone got 225 miles range out of the NiMH EV1.

[bjhorton2005]

That polish guy is awesome. It's an absolute shame that his company was stole from under him.