Before finding The Columbine Cause, i read Columbine by Dave Cullen. I was disappointed. I feel that he mostly wrote about things that alot of people had already assumed or read. Many new things have been released to the general public over the years. They had friends, they weren't bullied that badly, the general public wasn't given all the right info, etc. He never mentioned anything that Evan did. Aren't writers suppose to give their readers the entire truth?
@Kate7236 Yes, I'm sure that would have been quite disappointing. The charade officially came to a close for me when on the fifth or sixth page, Cullen asks us to believe that a 6' 3" young man with longish red hair and wearing a trenchcoat walked into a room full of 500 students eating lunch, and not a single one saw him. Brilliant! I wonder how many people actually swallowed that one without questioning it.
@Kate7236 Take note, though, that Cullen worked quite closely with Dwayne Fuselier, the FBI supervisor for the case. Cullen is basically just the FBI's scribbler; he is not a disinterested party. That "Depressive and the Psychopath" article he wrote was about Fuselier's analysis of Harris and Klebold. Cullen actually goes out of his way several times in Columbine to denounce the other shooters perspective, but anyone who knows the story can see that he does a terrible job of it.
@Lisboooa Thanks. If what's the case, additional gunmen? Maybe, maybe not. There is some evidence to suggest, though, that there actually were additional deaths.
@thegill666 It's a good question about the bodies not being claimed. (Sorry for the late reply, but YT didn't notify me of your comment.) It may be that they were claimed privately, but the victims were paid not to talk about it and living in immense fear of being disappeared if they did, or that some of the extra dead were some kind of soldiers whose profession was secret. That's speculation.
oh yeah and one more question have for u sir if what u say about da dead bodies possibly being soldiers, what were they doing there in da first place?
was columbine a psych op operation or some sort of war game gone viral? or where they placed there to monitor the killers operation but when the "plan" backfired were they killed to wipe out any evidence that the killers were associated with them?
@thegill666 It's entirely possible; however we really don't know for sure. We do know, though, that in the case of some similar shootings in Europe, they were carried out by fascist death squads under what was known as "Operation Gladio." You can find copies of videos about that on EvanLong.net. "War game gone viral" is a very interesting way of putting it. "Drill gone live" is another; you see strong elements of that in the 2009 shooting in Texas on the army base.
@thegill666 To me it is highly plausible that Harris and/or Klebold thought that they were part of some game or exercise, whose game though is the question. There are loads of references to this in the documents, for instance students thinking it was just another "paintball incident." Apparently a lot of things like this were happening there, but this one used real bullets. I would encourage you to check out the Echoes of Columbine forum at signofthetimes.yuku.com.
@thegill666 I also think Columbine fits in neatly with the far-right coup of 1998-2001, when Clinton was impeached, the invasion of eastern Europe was launched, Bush stole the election, and the inside job of 9/11 was perpetrated. Webster Tarpley writes about this in his book, 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA. The scenarios you pose are all possibilities Columbine researchers have been thinking about since it happened, and we want answers just as you do.
thanks i will look into da information u have suggested and just like yourself i do want 2 know what happened in columbine and other shootings/inside jobs because i believe they want to push an agenda of the shadow governments or of unknown interests.
i tried pushing your work and other alternative information to friends and people but they ignore me or laugh and call me a "crazed conspiracy theorist". nevertheless i respect and appreciate your work and keep yourself safe.
@thegill666 However, as far as evidence, it's there. For instance, I don't have the page number on me -- it's on the Echoes of Columbine board somewhere -- but there's a firsthand report of a girl with a wound to the head being wheeled out to the triage in the parking lot. She was was "unconscious" and "not breathing," but the nurse started an IV on her "anyway." That sounds like another fatality to me, but there's no other reference to it anywhere.
@thegill666 The government documents are probably the most complete window into the events of the shooting we have, but it became clear to me after I studied them intensively that they raised at least as many questions as they answered, and they were very far from being absolutely complete. This issue of extra fatalities is one clear example, because you see it over and over again. For that matter, we always hear a certain figure, about 20 wounded in the attack (not counting dead).
@thegill666 Well, I believe that over 100 people were treated at triage. Why were they treated if they weren't wounded? And according to at least that one report I cited above, some of them were, but that was not reported in a single media story, not one. "Wouldn't someone have talked," people always say. Well, no, people are scared to death. My "Columbine Witnesses Speak Out" video speaks to this.
@thegill666 Anyway, there is actually a lot more work that can be done on this; thank you for your comments. This subject might be worth another short video.
Before finding The Columbine Cause, i read Columbine by Dave Cullen. I was disappointed. I feel that he mostly wrote about things that alot of people had already assumed or read. Many new things have been released to the general public over the years. They had friends, they weren't bullied that badly, the general public wasn't given all the right info, etc. He never mentioned anything that Evan did. Aren't writers suppose to give their readers the entire truth?
Kate7236 1 week ago
@Kate7236 Yes, I'm sure that would have been quite disappointing. The charade officially came to a close for me when on the fifth or sixth page, Cullen asks us to believe that a 6' 3" young man with longish red hair and wearing a trenchcoat walked into a room full of 500 students eating lunch, and not a single one saw him. Brilliant! I wonder how many people actually swallowed that one without questioning it.
evanlongaccount 1 week ago
@Kate7236 Take note, though, that Cullen worked quite closely with Dwayne Fuselier, the FBI supervisor for the case. Cullen is basically just the FBI's scribbler; he is not a disinterested party. That "Depressive and the Psychopath" article he wrote was about Fuselier's analysis of Harris and Klebold. Cullen actually goes out of his way several times in Columbine to denounce the other shooters perspective, but anyone who knows the story can see that he does a terrible job of it.
evanlongaccount 1 week ago
Great Job. Thank you. But I would like to ask that if that's the case, wouldn't there be more deaths?
thank you again.
Much love. Be safe
Lisboooa 1 year ago
@Lisboooa Thanks. If what's the case, additional gunmen? Maybe, maybe not. There is some evidence to suggest, though, that there actually were additional deaths.
evanlongaccount 1 year ago
@evanlongaccount
if there were additional deaths then how is it that no one claim their bodies or their whereabouts?
keep yourself safe my good sir.
im afraid when people get to close to the truth "they" would try to silence them.
keep up your work
thegill666 1 year ago
@thegill666 It's a good question about the bodies not being claimed. (Sorry for the late reply, but YT didn't notify me of your comment.) It may be that they were claimed privately, but the victims were paid not to talk about it and living in immense fear of being disappeared if they did, or that some of the extra dead were some kind of soldiers whose profession was secret. That's speculation.
evanlongaccount 1 week ago
@evanlongaccount
oh yeah and one more question have for u sir if what u say about da dead bodies possibly being soldiers, what were they doing there in da first place?
was columbine a psych op operation or some sort of war game gone viral? or where they placed there to monitor the killers operation but when the "plan" backfired were they killed to wipe out any evidence that the killers were associated with them?
thanks for your time i find this interesting
thegill666 1 second ago
thegill666 1 week ago
@thegill666 It's entirely possible; however we really don't know for sure. We do know, though, that in the case of some similar shootings in Europe, they were carried out by fascist death squads under what was known as "Operation Gladio." You can find copies of videos about that on EvanLong.net. "War game gone viral" is a very interesting way of putting it. "Drill gone live" is another; you see strong elements of that in the 2009 shooting in Texas on the army base.
evanlongaccount 1 week ago
@thegill666 To me it is highly plausible that Harris and/or Klebold thought that they were part of some game or exercise, whose game though is the question. There are loads of references to this in the documents, for instance students thinking it was just another "paintball incident." Apparently a lot of things like this were happening there, but this one used real bullets. I would encourage you to check out the Echoes of Columbine forum at signofthetimes.yuku.com.
evanlongaccount 1 week ago
@thegill666 I also think Columbine fits in neatly with the far-right coup of 1998-2001, when Clinton was impeached, the invasion of eastern Europe was launched, Bush stole the election, and the inside job of 9/11 was perpetrated. Webster Tarpley writes about this in his book, 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA. The scenarios you pose are all possibilities Columbine researchers have been thinking about since it happened, and we want answers just as you do.
evanlongaccount 1 week ago
@evanlongaccount
thanks i will look into da information u have suggested and just like yourself i do want 2 know what happened in columbine and other shootings/inside jobs because i believe they want to push an agenda of the shadow governments or of unknown interests.
i tried pushing your work and other alternative information to friends and people but they ignore me or laugh and call me a "crazed conspiracy theorist". nevertheless i respect and appreciate your work and keep yourself safe.
thegill666 1 week ago
@thegill666 However, as far as evidence, it's there. For instance, I don't have the page number on me -- it's on the Echoes of Columbine board somewhere -- but there's a firsthand report of a girl with a wound to the head being wheeled out to the triage in the parking lot. She was was "unconscious" and "not breathing," but the nurse started an IV on her "anyway." That sounds like another fatality to me, but there's no other reference to it anywhere.
evanlongaccount 1 week ago
@thegill666 The government documents are probably the most complete window into the events of the shooting we have, but it became clear to me after I studied them intensively that they raised at least as many questions as they answered, and they were very far from being absolutely complete. This issue of extra fatalities is one clear example, because you see it over and over again. For that matter, we always hear a certain figure, about 20 wounded in the attack (not counting dead).
evanlongaccount 1 week ago
@thegill666 Well, I believe that over 100 people were treated at triage. Why were they treated if they weren't wounded? And according to at least that one report I cited above, some of them were, but that was not reported in a single media story, not one. "Wouldn't someone have talked," people always say. Well, no, people are scared to death. My "Columbine Witnesses Speak Out" video speaks to this.
evanlongaccount 1 week ago
@thegill666 Anyway, there is actually a lot more work that can be done on this; thank you for your comments. This subject might be worth another short video.
evanlongaccount 1 week ago