Obama Reaches Out for Mideast Peace Effort

[wakingwillow]

we are one world. we are not just a country. you live in a world. love your world and the people in it. how can you be so hateful and only care about yourself and the people in YOUR country? we all live together.

[youmdme]

the livni Terrorist bitch killed more than 1350 civilians and now she want to let the remaining starve to death ! and she want the world to help her silent kill the innocent Palestinians ?

[phidelt135]

whats debatable is who should be held responsible. Israel has a duty not to use banned weapons, which they did not and not to deliberately target civilians, which they did not.

And you are right about the respectable nation part. Most respectable nations would have turned Gaza into a parking lot after 3000 rockets. Israel and their stupid ethical code are still whining about not harming civilians and droping leaflets giving hamas a chance to leave

[oldjoe5]

Right. Over 1,300 murdered and 5,000 injured by Israel's war crimes in three weeks -- I am sure they are faking their suffering

[phidelt135]

the suffering is very real. And hamas should be held accountable for engeneering this suffering.

[oldjoe5]

The suffering of the Israelis is an anthill when compared to the Himalayas of suffering Israel has cause the Palestinians

[phidelt135]

I am not talking about the suffering of the Israelis. I said Hamas should be held accountable for the suffering of the palestinians and the israelis. Gotta love the old quote "Israel may kill our children but we will have more because we teach them to love death more than the Jews love life",,,

[oldjoe5]

Who enforces a blockade on the Gazans, denying them food, meds, electricity, aegis and access? Who drops white phosphorous on them? Bombs? Missiles? How about depleted unranimum bombs? Cluster bombs? Who kidnaps thousands of them and tortures them in prison?

The answer to each of those questions is Israel, not Hamas.

Yet you blame Hamas for what Isrsael does? Does Israel have no repsonsibility for her own actions?

[phidelt135]

well... lets see, Israel does not own them to keep any borders open. And neither does Egypt which enforces the other half of the blockade. Everything else is debatable (exept for the thousands of kidnapings and torture, thats just stupid).

But you are right. Israel is responsible for its actions. They did what any responsible country would do after having 3000 rockets launched at them from schools and hospitals

[oldjoe5]

Debatable? Israel did not just finish killing over 1,300 Gazans? You think their use of tanks, bombs, white phosphorous, cluster bombs, uranium depleted bombs, bullets, bulldozers, tanks, drones, missiles, on the people of Gaza is "debatable"? You are unaware that they have kidnapped thousands of Palestinians and tortured them?

You are in denial about your beloved Israel.

No repectable nation would ever do the things Israel does. They are aq very sick state.

[openmind301]

oldjoe5 : "You are unaware that they have kidnapped thousands of Palestinians and tortured them? "

they were even used as human shields in front of the Tanks.

[daderone]

u say that and spend all this time trying to put out numbers u cant confirm about what other countries are doing. How about 60,000 people dead, thats your country..where u live. Try not being a hypocrite and handle your own wars oldjoe.

[oldjoe5]

R U referring to the Iraq War, designed and implemented by the Israeli Firster neocons? If so, add that total to the number killed by the Zionists

[PipeBundle]

Nice job you zionist freaks. The only thing you accomplished was the death of 1300 human beings.

Israel is a terrorist state.

[phidelt135]

I think this is more of the hamas accomplishment. They set it up, they played it out, and they are benefiting from it. Why eles would you hide behind women and children? After all are these not the words of a hamas spokesperson "we will sacarfice our mothers our children our sisters for the jihad"? Yea those people are innocent and hamas should be tried for war crimes for their deaths

[PipeBundle]

So what you're saying is that manifest destiny is proper policy and Palestine has no right to resist because they don't have the resources to build a military.

Perhaps if someone, like the USA, could provide them with billions of dollars in funding, things might be different.

[phidelt135]

thats not what I am saying at all. First of all its Hamas not Palestine. Second of all their idea of resistance is killing jews and destroying Israel. Therefore they have no right to resist by the virtue of how pointless this resistance is. Its not their abilities I am concerned with but their goals. As far as providing them funding, since Israel stoped occupying gaza 4 years ago there was hundreds of millions sent ther for funding and yet most of it was spent on weapons and propoganda tools

[PipeBundle]

Your argument is straight out of the zionist propaganda Faux News playbook and as such, completely ignores the realities of the Palestine situation.

Israel has been violating human rights in Palestine for decades. Hamas is a result of those actions and I can't blame them. I would certainly do the same if I were in their shoes.

Stop promoting this old, tired, worn out line of fecal vomit. I'm sick of hearing it and so is the rest of the world.

[phidelt135]

well which part of what I said was "faux news"? the part about withdrawing from Gaza? Or the part about wanting to destroy Israel? Or maybe the part about not doing anything to improve the inferstructure of the country. Well why don't you do yourself a favour and look up the standard of living in Gaza pre 1988 and compare it to those in any other arab country. And when you are done with that, come back and talk to me about human rights abuses. You don't even know what human rights are.

[PipeBundle]

The part about your perception of reality fails to see past the smoke and mirrors.

The part where you don't get that the vast majority of the world isn't interested in purchasing 2nd rate magic tricks.

[phidelt135]

I don't give a fuck about the vast majority of the world. The vast majority of the world was ok with the holocaust, the rwanda genocide the armenian genocide etc... And stop dancing around it. Don't make this about me... Its not bout me, its about the Istaeli/palestinian conflict so if I said something that is inacurate why don't you point out the inacurate part and back it up with a source. And go check those statistics (I know its harder than spewing rhetoric but It may do you some good)

[polkadotbox2]

When hope replaces fear, people tend to smile again. The age of senseless wars is ending. The future has no place for bullies. The world must come together and solve conflicts peacefully.

Obama is the key to a better future not only for the USA, but for the world. We join hands in peaceful and friendly relations with all people. We are no longer hindered by a dogmatic, hateful administration. We have a visionary at the helm, someone who looks beyond his own interests.

PEACE TO EVERYONE!

[ZoomBFX]

Obama is really convinced that he can make peace with extremists. The only way to stop extremism is by extermination. Sounds brutal? Have any better ideas?

[oldjoe5]

Yes. We need to pull the plug on the Zionist terrorists who oppress and murder their neighbors and who control US foreing policy.

[daderone]

hamas has brought nothing to the region except suffering, hatred, fundamentalism, violence and has consistently stood in the way of peace while choosing to prioritize a warped extremist ideology. screw hamas.

[oldjoe5]

Replace the word Hamas with Israel and your statement immediately gains credence

[daderone]

keep talking out your ass, its obvious you dont give 2 shits about the people of Palestine. Next time YOU want to know who to blame, just look in the mirror.

[oldjoe5]

The prototypical response of the Zionist dupe, full of invective and devoid of content.

[daderone]

typical of a small minded bigot like yourself to try and discard the facts from people who care by calling anybody who disagrees with you a Zionist.

Yeah I'm such a Zionist for caring about the Palestinian people who suffer because of hamas and other nutjob radicals. I am so sorry that i do not support child indoctrination to hate and suicide bombing. i must just be a zionist.

or sane.

[oldjoe5]

You're no Zionist. Sharon was a Zionoist, Netanyahu, Dershowitz, Rahm Emmanuel, Livini -- these are Zionists. You are the dupe of Zionists.

Israel cares for the Palestinians by bombing them, starving them, shooting them bull-dozing them, using chemicals on them. Good, clear, thinking

[daderone]

I love all of those people and support them.

I was actually talking about hamas, but apparently you dont like talking about people who really cause the suffering of the Palestinians, you would rather try and blame Israel and demonize people and words. No wonder you support child indoctrinating, hate propagating terrorists.

When hamas cares more about medicine and food the rockets and suicide bombs maybe they will take better care of their people.

[oldjoe5]

I guess I tend to blame the murder of 1,400 Gazans on the people who did it -- Israel

[daderone]

i guess i tend to think when a country tells you to stop launching attacks against its civilians and warns it will act to defend itself against a radical fundamentalist organization that prioritizes hate and violence over peace and prosperity that well you should probably stop attacking them and making declarations of war.

not long ago the people of Gaza were begging Israel 2 act against hamas who was terrorizing the Israeli and Palestinian citizens alike. They stand in the way of peace.

[oldjoe5]

Israel has launched numerous and frequent attacks on Gaza and Lebanon in the past few years.

Do the Lebanese and Gazans have no right to defend themselves?

People in Gaza were asking Israel to kill 1,400 of their people? Do U even think about what you are saying?

[daderone]

launching rockets and mortars targeting Israeli citizens and callinh for the destruction of Israel by radical elements that the broader govt and society are unable to control is not defense. It is a tragedy.

Yes many in Gaza supported an Israeli invasion to stop Hamas from terrorizing them and jeopardizing their saftey and security, as well as putting them in a situation of misery, standing in the way of peace and progress to promote their warped fanatical ideological agendas.

[oldjoe5]

Launching amateurish rockets that killed nobody in 2008 prior to the Israeli onslaught and in response to the Israeli blocakde and alleged statements calling for the destruction of Israel (statements that kill nobody) vs. Israel's murder of 1,300 gazans via bombs, drones, missiles, tanks, white phosphorous, cluster bombs, depleted uranium bombs, bulldozers, and so much more.

Tell me again. How is it Israel is the good guy?

[daderone]

because Israel actually provides for its people and makes them its priority. How about how it puts actual effort and consideration how to least hurt innocent people and targets those who are actually launching attacks at civilians at random with the hopes of killing as many innocent Israelis as possible

U want to see Israel just launch 'amateurish' rockets at random people and target on purpose the most innocents then by all means call AIPAC.

[oldjoe5]

I am afraid the stats clearly put the lie to your view.

1,300 plus gazans dead and thirteen israelis -- at least four of whom were killed by the IDF.

When you kill 100 times as many defenseless people -- and all of the gazans were absolutely defenseless against the Israeli onslaught from the sky, ground, and sea -- as those you label terrorists, you are living in denial

[daderone]

yeah you are right hamas takes much better care of the people of Gaza then the Israeli govt does its people.

See your problem is either that you want to justify your lack of support for Israel and try to regurgitate your talking points, but you either do not believe in or support peace and therefore have only yourself to blame.

Instead u want to try and shill for hamas. Do not expect me to be impressed or fall for your bs act of pretending like u care.

[oldjoe5]

I don''t expect anything from you save your continued denial of the obvious truth

[daderone]

nice response. This conversation has been done, dont worry joe the plumber i didnt have any expectations for you either.

[oldjoe5]

Nothing will improve if Obama proves to be a Zionist puppet like most US pols. And most indications are that he is.

[radio213]

its tough tho, technically hes obligated to help them

[95mscottb95]

That's true, the Israeli lobby is so massive, every president has to appear to be Zionist

[nembhard600rr]

I agree they have positioned themselves as if they were part of the United States thus forcing U.S. presidents to serve them.

[phidelt135]

You don't need to be influenced by the "zionist lobby" to do the right thing. If rockets were raining on America whoever launched them would be vapourized...

[oldjoe5]

"Obligated"? By what?

[radio213]

have you never taken a history class? or a government class?

[gungagin]

I appreciate that President Obama is moving so swiftly to get the ball rolling!

[nc1716]

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