Jesus' Own Words: Rev 22:14, "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
yet you's have to keep the sabbath. You'd can't eat pork etc. Read colossians 2:16 and Galatians 3:10. Ellen g white is to be rejected she's a false prophet. Repent and trust in Christ alone.
THE SDA CHURCH TEACHES THAT OBEDIENCE IS A FRUIT, IT IS THE FRUIT OF A FAITH-RELATIONSHIP W/ JESUS CHRIST. OBEDIENCE IS AN EFFECT , IT IS NOT THE CAUSE WHY WE ARE SAVED, RATHER IT IS THE RESULT OF OUR BECOMING SAVED. Dr. Martin seems not to understand what the SDA Church is teaching. WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE ALONE, WE ARE MADE TO ACCEPT GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS ALONE, AND THIS GRACE ACCEPTED, RESULTS INTO OUR BECOMING SAVED, CONSEQUENTLY WE MANIFEST OBEDIENCE AS A FRUIT OF BECOMING SAVED.
this talk is about religion, faith.. but these two (john and walter) do not reflect in anyway a christ character, the way they speak, the way they interrogate the sda guy. i would rather believe that the sda guy is more faithful and knows his faith more than these to people who appear to be very intelligently tricky.
@mangnuraj Amen... The wolves are out. Why do people hate the fact that we are still bound to the 10 commandments? The whole world is against it, why? And if the Ten Commandments are nailed to the cross as they say then why make a sunday lay to enforce a day of worship? Its all Hypocrisy on the Beast's end. They just passed a sunday law in North Dakota. Its insane. God bless EGW and her message.
I was watching this again & I actually caught it...when he says at 50 secs, "the docterine of the judgment tells us", he is talking about the SDA docterine of the investigative judgment which the church took 13 years to come up with after the disappointment of 1844. Point being is that right after he says "Christ is my HOPE & he is my salvation, his justification is my HOPE". Hope is very important. The bible tells us that your salvation is a gift, it is assured if you truly believe in Christ.
continued..It's not a HOPE in salvation or grace, it's a belief that your works can not get you to heaven no matter what you do or what day you worship on. It's a trust in His grace & a belief that it's sufficient, not a Hope. Do you believe in Christ b/c you hope the stories are true in the bible or do you believe in Christ b/c you felt him move in your life? If you believe in Christ & truly love Him, He moves through your life to make you better, not you proving yourself to Him. In all love.
My interpretation of that parable is slightly different than his, I see like, Just as God has forgiven us of our trespasses, we should forgive those who trespass against us. Gee where have I heard that? The LORDS PRAYER!
oii John you bloddy show has 14 parts but they repeat themselves, you are wasting my time you idiot,
you better focus on your R'ship on Christ than competing with other denomination for who is right. this show is all bullshit and as for WALTER he needs a prayer session mate
Galatians goes on to say unequivocally, that if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (Gal. 5:18)
Paul also write that those who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ and have fallen from grace. (Gal. 5:4)
The most powerful statement on legalism and works, it seems to me, in the entire New Testament, is found in Galatians 2:21 where Paul states clearly that if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.
@fightingbuddyboy hi mate, i agree we save by grace and not by works,
but do you think the law doesn't matter, then why haven't u start killing people, stealing, etc and you are still saved. Can't u see doesn't make sense
Jesus said if you love me, you will obey my commandaments,John 14:23 works doesn't save us but because of our love for Christ we'll obey HIS law.
AS FOR THIS waste of TIME SHOW, should be focused on our R'ship with JESUS and not focusing on E.G White, she was a human too
@fightingbuddyboy hi mate, i agree we save by grace and not by works,
but do you think the law doesn't matter, then why haven't u start killing people, stealing, etc and you are still saved. Can't u see doesn't make sense
Jesus said if you love me, you will obey my commandaments,John 14:23 works doesn't save us but because of our love for Christ we'll obey HIS law.
AS FOR THIS waste of TIME SHOW, should be focused on our R'ship with JESUS and not focusing on E.G White, she was a human too
@RamsesThe7th are you trying to say that we are saved by grace? i am agreeable to that. but, we should remember that it is God's grace that lead us to obey the law... example.. it is God's grace that lead us not to kill.. it is God's grace that lead us not to commit adultery.. it is God's grace that lead us keep the seventh-day Sabbath as well... faith without work IS DEAD. our works is the indicator of our faith. hope this would enlighten you brother...God bless.
@RamsesThe7th are you trying to say that we are saved by grace? i am agreeable to that. but, we should remember that it is God's grace that lead us to obey the law... example.. it is God's grace that lead us not to kill.. it is God's grace that lead us not to commit adultery.. it is God's grace that lead us keep the seventh-day Sabbath as well... faith without work IS DEAD. our works are indicator of our faith. hope this would enlighten you brother...God bless.
Read Galatians people. Read it very carefully. The doctrinal questions may be answered in full.
It is faith that makes one righteous...not works. Abraham was considered righteous by faith before the law was even written. (Gal. 3:6-9)
Paul goes on to write that all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse and that no one is justified by the law. (Gal. 3:10-11) SDA doctrine claims that one must continue in good works under the law...what does that tell you?
what Dr. Martin fails to realize is that by faith in God's grace we are saved and His blood cleanses us. But it doesn't stop there. According to the model God put up in the earthly sanctuary, the sinner who plead the blood of the sacrificed lamb was considered justified and cleansed of his sins. But his sins don't get blotted out until the Day of Atonement is over. His sins got transferred to the sanctuary. In the same way, 1844 was when Jesus started the Day of Atonement work on earth.
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
The GOD's grace save who have works. You can´t continue as sinner (against GOD) and hope to be saved! Jesus said to do what he did, kept the commandments!
@demondagger19: Can't be. Her works are based on Scripture and secondly she explicitly taught us not to do that:
"Lay Sister White right to one side: lay her to one side. Don't you never quote my words again as long as you live, until you can obey the Bible. ... don't you give a rap any more what 'Sister White Said' —'Sister White said this,' and 'Sister White said that,' and 'Sister White said the other thing'. But say, 'Thus saith the Lord God of Israel.' Spalding and Magan Collection
And low and behold she did just that, if she placed her writings above scripture, yet at the same time says she does not, then obviously she self contradicted herself. And while i may believe that ellen probably did have some good intentions with in her writings, i do believe on the other hand that it can be spiritually dangerous. There are some teachings with in the SDA, that are not biblical, such as keeping the sabbath in order to be saved, the inhalation of the wicked, soul sleep, (Cont)
"low and behold she did just that, if she placed her writings above scripture,"
Hmm, what part of her quote not to do that didn't you understand?
"Lay Sister White right to one side: lay her to one side. Don't you never quote my words again as long as you live, until you can obey the Bible. ... don't you give a rap any more what 'Sister White Said' —'Sister White said this,' & 'Sister White said that,' and 'Sister White said the other thing'. But say, 'Thus saith the Lord God of Israel.'
(Cont) and the teaching that Christ went through a second faze during his redemptive work, and that the coming of Christ was to take place Oct 22, these teachings are not biblical, while i do believe in keeping the sabbath, the bible states that we aren't saved through any works at all, which would also include trying to keep the sabbath.
@demondagger19: "which would also include trying to keep the sabbath."
Which God told you to rememebr to keep and most Christians around the Med did so till at least the 5th century and in India till the 1540's and in Ethiopia till the early 1600's.
@demondagger19 I'm an SDA also and yes you do run into those who put her writings on the same level of scripture. I find that you mostly hear from them at bible study. If there's a question it's "but EGW said.." or "but Mrs. White said..". I just take her as the founder of the church and a beautiful writer. But that is it. There are many in the church that believe in justification through faith. The scriptures are grace heavy for a reason and that's the point the gospel is trying to make.
At least your being honest, but I don't believe that all SDA's take her writings above or at equal value as scripture, just some. It should always be known that her writings should not and cannot be above nor at equal value as scripture.
@demondagger19 No, I don't believe that most SDA's take her writings on the same plane or above scripture. I was really just trying to agree with your statement.
I'm glad I'm in an SDA church that believes in justification through faith. The church is, I believe, slowly changing.
Not all SDA's believe in justification by faith alone, in fact some even believe that they must keep the sabbath in order to be saved. Second, some of what the SDA teaches is no were found in scripture nor is it taught, such as the teaching of the (Inhalation of the wicked) and (Soul sleep) and of course like I've mentioned earlier, the teaching that a person must obey the sabbath in order to be saved. These teachings are un-biblical, yet some SDA's do believe this as biblical teachings.
Part 5: Paul talks in part about works in the scriptures. I like Gal Chptrs 4 & 5. But, the gospel is grace excessive for a reason. It is Paul in Gal 5:9 who says a little leaven, leavens the whole lump. Leaven, being works. He was speaking to a group of people who wanted to go back and pick up some of the old law when he said a little leaven, leavens the whole lump. Well, thats the way I see it friend.
@KnoxKnowsBest What I try to explain to Christians is that we are not saved by keeping the law but I believe that someone can lose their salvation is after they have been saved they carry on breaking God's Ten Commandment law. So many Christians seem to misunderstand and I'm getting fed up of trying to make my point. My point is is that even though we are saved bu faith, faith without works is dead and we can lose our salvation.
@KnoxKnowsBest I agree but Paul also in Galatians 5 is showingthat if someone is truly saved they wouldn't still be living in fornicaiton, adn all of the other thigns he lists there. I really think he was trying to make that clear there so that people would have a right view of grace. Some churches are even using covetousness to try to bring people to the Lord today - "Come to jesus and he will get you a lexus." That's turngin the grace of God into lasciviousness.
Part 4: A usual SDA comeback will be Christ said that he didnt come to change one tittle of the law (just paraphrasing) or Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. Although, that is not to say that you have to keep the old testament law which Christ Himself came to abolish to go to heaven. It took me a long time of studying just the bible to come to this realization as an SDA.
Part 3: He teaches that you must adhere to the old law which Christ came down to live that law perfectly & be the lamb so that we would not have to be judged under it and a new covenant would be set up. (Bible NAS) Hebrews 10:9 10 : then he said, Behold I have come to do thy will. He takes away the first in order to establish the second. By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL.
@KnoxKnowsBest Jesus also said, "If you love me keep my commandments" Does that mean keep some of them or all of them? It's sda how many people use the sacrafice of Jesus to live a sinful life.
@ArmageddonComingSoon To live a sinful life? As if one has a choice but to live a sinful life. My point is merely to love Christ, try to do His will and you will go to heaven. Worrying about commandments, the Law, works are not what will get you into heaven. If you love Christ, you will do good works and bear fruit. If you think that we are wrong about something, yes, I'm an SDA & I disagree w/Mrs. White on Grace. Besides that, I believe that she was a beautiful writer.
Part 2: I feel arguing about soul sleep & the word I believe you were trying for, annihilionism, is getting caught up in the tall weeds. It doesnt really matter as long as you love Jesus Christ and try to do his will, you are going to heaven. This is the point as an SDA I find frustrating because there are pastors like Doug Bachelor which I believe is sincere, but just wrong.
(It doesnt really matter as long as you love Jesus Christ and try to do his will, you are going to heaven.)
It's interesting that you mention that, considering that the same can be said for Mormons as well, they to claim to believe and love Jesus Christ as well, and also claim to be doing (Gods Will), yet in contrast most of what Mormonism teaches are none-biblical teachings, yet Mormons still claim to be Christians regardless.
@KnoxKnowsBest I have recently joined an SDa church because I believe the SDA church is the closet church to the truth which is in my travel distance. All I do is go by what the Bible says. If you can tell me something that you think we are wrong about then please let me know.
Part 1: Yes, there are SDAs that dont believe in justification through faith & grace. Thats why I believe the church has been split between those who believe in adherence to EGWs teachings which would be, I think the majority or at least half of the church & those like myself who believe that she was a beautiful writer & the founder of our church, but that is it. I did read someone else on here a page or 2 back on the series that believes the same thing.
Interesting, but again, due to some of what the SDA teachings, it may lead some, if not most down a misleading path. Many evidently will believe it as authoritative regadless of what she writes, why? it's because some, if not most SDA's fail to question her writings and feel in no way to question weather or not her writings are truly inspired by God, the point is to be discerning, not gullible and the only way to know weather her writings are from God, is through scripture.
While there are some SDA's who have placed there faith in Jesus alone for salvation, and do in fact believe in salvation by grace through faith, and that's fine, on that level alone, yes (Seventh Day Adventism) is Christian, but, due to some doctrinal issues in regards to the SDA belief, it would be safe to say that (Seventh Day Adventism) does indeed have errors in regards to there teachings. I'm not against the SDA members, I am however against some of what (Seventh Day Adventism) teaches.
@Acmd7 Well, my friend, I don't believe that & I don't believe that Paul believes it either. See Gal 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
@KnoxKnowsBest The GOD's grace save who have works. You can´t continue as sinner (against GOD) and hope to be saved! Jesus said to do what he did, kept the commandments!
@KnoxKnowsBest The GOD's grace save who have works. You can´t continue as sinner (against GOD) and hope to be saved! Jesus said to do what he did, kept the commandments!
I am not disagreeing with walter.BUT if I were dr. johnsson I would make the point clear that even if I wewere to call Mrs. Martin a dirty name Whether or not she deserved it or not ...I would still expect him to defend her vehemently And since walter is an outsider ..thank youi for your scholarly opinion and now please ..shut up and respect my doctrinal differances
Ellen White( Ellen Harmon) was lied to by William Miller about the Jewish Day of Atonement being on 22nd October 1844. The SHUT DOOR and END OF THE WORLD.
It,the Jewish Day of Atonement was on the 23rd September 1844.
Ellen White never had the gift of prophecy. She lied and SDA Church was founded by Ellen's Lying Visions.
True that rob... Johnsson is getting PWND over and over even people in his own church PWND him in the last video!! He represents SDA as completely blind followers of a false prophet who even when confronted with their false doctrine in light of the Scripture will not refute the lies propagated by their false prophet and CULT!!!
EGW is a false prophet and SDA is a CULT against the teachings and Word of GOD and Christ!!!
>He represents SDA as completely blind followers of a false prophet who even when confronted with their false doctrine in light of the Scripture will not refute the lies propagated by their false prophet and CULT!!!
In the comments on another video you also claimed that Jonah told the Ninvehites how to be saved and when I showed that didn't happen, you changed it to the king having a vision! ROFL!
2 Cor 3:6 - 9 (NIV) 6He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life
The Sabbath Day is not the "Jewish Sabbath," it is God's Sabbath. Jesus Christ, the greatest "Christian" of all, observed the Sabbath Day (Saturday), and only the Sabbath Day (the pagan Roman "sun day" did already exist at that time, but Jesus Christ, and the apostles, and the early church, were all Sabbath keepers - they would never have observed the heathen "sun-worship day"):
Satan created sunday worship to try and take glory from God. Please dont support him people.
So, according to Dr. Walter Martin, if you like committing adultery and as long as I believe that Jesus died so that I can continue committing adultery I am golden! How laughable! The true Christian will find sin repugnant and would not to sin because it hurts our father. Did Jesus die so that you can continue to do the sin you like doing "oops, Im not perfect, but no worries Jesus died so I dont have to worry about committing my favorite sin". Dr. Martin forgets Rev 22:11
It is interesting in this video that the late Dr. Walter Martin exposes the contradiction of the doctrine of the Investigative Judgment found in Ellen Whites book "The Great Controversy". How that it teaches that a person's sins are not blotted out when they repent but at a later time in the future only if they meet certain requirements. At about 2:35 til 3:50 in this video, we see this doctrine placed under scriptural scrutiny and it failed. Bill Johnsson never answered the contradiction.
djconklin, have you watched this video? Why did Dr. Johnsson the editor of the Adventist Review smile when Dr. Martin asked him was his sins blotted out rather than answer him with the same directness as the question presented? How come he didn't say yes like you did? Dr. Martin quoted in context The Great Controversy stating that a person's sins are not blotted out until after the conclusion of the Investigative Judgment. You can't be a 7th day adventist if you don't accept this.
>Dr. Martin quoted in context The Great Controversy stating that a person's sins are not blotted out until after the conclusion of the Investigative Judgment.
Read the text for yourself. Don't assume that he read it in context.
This is true. The only problem is that this comes again the SDA doctrine of Investigative Judgment. Dr. Bill Johnsson the Editor of the Adventist Review was afraid to say what you just said because it would have costed him his job. Watch this 11th video. He smiles as he cannot answer the question directly at about 3:35 to 3:50 in this video. Your statement disagrees directly with your prophetess and your denomination. What you said is true though. So what do you say to these things?
Watch the video and you will see. The doctrine of the Investigative Judgment clearly states that a person's sins will be blotted out at the end of the Investigative Judgment. This is clearly a contradiction of scripture. If you are a 7th day adventist, you agree that Ellen G. White was a prophetess and that her writings are infallible. If any Adventist leader denies this, he disappears. Research this.
whenever you confessyour sins they blotted out? Not untill the end of the IJ! This guy does not even know what his sda teaches. IJ is not of the bible! it's a savation by works! you can't have grace an IJ at same time.sda has tried to change meaning of IJ to make it seem from bible but at the end of the day, it mean what EW said about it! When one researches it all, you can see what it implies! and it came out of the shut door thing! an 1844 failor! it is so easy to see this! sda defend error
IJ put into place before sda beleived in grace. grace first preached 1888 GCM. so what were they preaching untill then? It is well known why IJ was put into place! This is why some scholars of sda tried to show it's error! an were fired or just left the sda. if from bible why did people leave because of it? why set up a secret comitee to try to prove it for 5 yr's? and never proved it! only try by proof text method, witch fail's by context of bible. sda shurch say it's true so sda beleive it
I will take your advice about quoting, but i disagree with them not ever seeing my response because I've done this plenty of times and got immediate responses. Youtube notifies these individuals in their inbox.
The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria. Salaminius Hermias Sozomen, Ecclesiastical History, Chap. XIX, pg. 592
"... the primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews;...therefore the Christians for a long time together, did keep their conventions on the Sabbath, in which some portion of the Law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council ..." The Whole Works of Jeremey Taylor, book 2, chapt. 2, pags 456-7. You can dl'd the book from Google Book.
Did you read Ps. 91:4 "He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge. His truth is your shield and armor." Now what is this ignorance you show by saying God doesn't have feathers and wings?
"The Jewish wickedness" of which Xavier complained (in 1542-8) was evidently the Sabbath-keeping among those native Christians ... . When one of these Sabbath-keeping Christians was taken by the Inquisition he was accused of having *Judaized*; which means having conformed to the ceremonies of the Mosaic Law; such as not eating pork, hare, fish without scales, &c., of having attended the solemnization of the Sabbath." Account of the Inquisition at Goa, Dellon, p.56. London, 1815
Where did He point back explaining what the Law meant as to place us back under it? The perfect law of liberty is the gospel. The law had it's time until He came. Now we have the gospel to obey.
>Where did He point back explaining what the Law meant as to place us back under it?
He showed that the 10C's are based on the principle of love: love for God with all your heart, mind and strength and love for your neighbor as yourself. Who wouldn['t want to love and be loved?
>Your context is wrong, but that's my opinion these are all individual subjects
Don't go by your opinion. Look at the grammar. Think what the words "in respect of" mean. Then think Venn diagram. In one circle you have the eating and the drinking. In the second circle you have the days. Paul is talking about where the two circles overlap. Its the eating and drinking ON the days that is in view. The ascetics were saying "You'll get closer to God if you fast on those days."
Nope. He is talking about everything he names in that verse. He wrote it plainly. There is no special scholarly way of looking at it. That is where people go wrong. He mentioned eating and drinking. Then he mentioned holy days which are the yearly feasts or appointed times. Then he mentioned the new moon which is obvoiusly monthly. And lastly he mentioned the Sabbath which is obviously weekly. The body of Jesus represented the whole old covenant when It was nailed to the cross.
there is no mention of fasting there ... sorry ... that's a stretch ...He was talking about the feast days and the new moons and the sabbaths, clearly
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Simply put, this is referring to the festival sabbaths and not the seventh-day Sabbath. That is my whole point. You can go off on a tangent but my whole point is that this verse is NOT justification for ignoring the seventh-day sabbath of the decalogue.
4th commandment/sabbath trashing is about the most obvious religious con job/deception on EARTH. Just compare how 99% of the church use ACTS 20:7 and never teach about ACTS 13:42-4, 16:13, 17:2 and 18:4. The usual text used is Col 2:16,17 and by many who don't have a clue what they are talking about. If PAUL trashed the sabbath, why didn't he warn all of those gentiles in ACTS to stop hanging around the Jews and come worship with him on the SUNday/Lord's day???????? SATAN has the church sinning
Totally correct, Paul preached to Jews AND Gentiles on the Sabbath. Col 2: is about the sacrificial system and it's festivals, and sabbaths, not the Holy Sabbath, that's why the text talks about drink offerings and new moons, etc. and calls them a shadow of things to come, Christ, they were abolished at the cross just as v.14 says but this is not talking about the 10 command law. Paul covered that in Romans 3:31, ALL 10 Commandments STILL STAND.
>Col 2: is about the sacrificial system and it's festivals, and sabbaths, not the Holy Sabbath,
Nope. Col. 2:16-17 is about eating and drinking ON the days that are then mentioned. Search the web for "In-Depth Look at the Significant Words and Grammatical Structure of Colossians 2:16-17."
It's about whether the festival sabbaths are still valid, eating and drinking is not the point it's the "holy days" that were being discussed; because the Jews were trying to convince Gentiles to follow those things which Christ abolished and to put them under the postions of that law that were nailed to the cross ... this does NOT include the 10 commandments since they are not part of the "book of the law" nor are they ordinances.
>eating and drinking is not the point it's the "holy days" that were being discussed;
It is precisely the eating and drinking ON those days that is being discussed. The ascetics were trying to tell the believers that they could get closer to God by fasting on those days.
It was the record of our sins that was nailed to the Cross, not the Law that points out our sins.
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
your context is wrong, but that's my opinion ... these are all individual subjects ...
The law, I agree, was not nailed to te cross, not the 10 commandment law ... the laws and ordinances in the book of the law, were however, nailed to the cross
"How come sabbatarians never expound on Col. 2:15? There is a big hole in sabbatarian exergesis of the context of Col. 2:14-17 because verse 15 is never covered! That is suspect. Yet I have covered each verse, 14, 15, 16, and 17. This is because I respect the ministry and the scriptural authority that God gave to the apostles to fulfil the word of God as it is written in Colossians 1:25. Read my other comments on this video. You could receive edification."
The law that pointed to your sins was against you because it had no power to forgive you, only to condemn you. This is exactly what Paul was talking about in Romans chapter 7. This was the power of sin against us. He had to nail it to the cross to disarm the enemy as it says in Col. 2:15. He had to take away the strength of sin which is the law that condemned you only to replace it with Himself. Satan can't use Jesus to condemn us!
>The law that pointed to your sins was against you because it had no power to forgive you, only to condemn you.
Correct. The Law also points us to our Saviour Jesus Christ who condemned sin in the flesh and can save us from our sins. Now, if the Law was nailed to the Cross as you say elsewhere, then it's not around to condemn us for our sins or to lead us to Christ.
The law pointed us to our Saviour Jesus Christ, but He never points us back to the law. The gospel is sufficient and is our law in the new testament. It's the law of Christ. Jesus's body represented the old testament being nailed to the cross. Paul also called It the veil in 2 Cor. 3:13-16. The law only applies to those who are under it. But to those who turn to the Lord, it is taken away. Jesus said the time is at hand believe the gospel; and His apostles said later to obey it.
This brings us back to baptism and what it all means. He consecrated for us a new and living way. It is only through death; of which we who are of Christ are all parttakers. Everyone who is baptized has died to the world, just as Christ did when He died on the cross. Our lives are now hidden with Christ in God. This is our eternal assurance: that as we are in Christ, we are no longer under the law, but under grace. I've already mentioned the law of Christ so I won't be redundant.
>This is our eternal assurance: that as we are in Christ, we are no longer under the law, but under grace.
Correct, as long as we remain in Christ and do not sin we are not under the condemnation of the Law. The Law is based on the moral principle of love. Love is not a burden, but a joy.
Under the law of Christ we are chastened as sons. We are not condemned. There is law within the gospel. The law of the 10 commandments met it's antitype. Christ Himself is it's replacement. Everything He and His apostles taught verbally and in writing is what applies to the church. This is the gospel and it is the law of Christ.
>The law of the 10 commandments met it's antitype.
Not antitype. Christ fulfilled the Law. He condemend sin in the flesh. His righteousness then can cover us we succumb to sin in the flesh. The Law points out to us exactly where we sin--that's why some don't want you to look at the Law.
>Everything He and His apostles taught verbally and in writing is what applies to the church.
And that is why most Christians even as late as the 5th century kept the Sabbath.
>And that is why most Christians even as late as the 5th century kept the Sabbath.
There is no sabbath commandment in the new testament. This is why most christians now, and even way back to the 1st century way before catholicism was even thought of, don't and did not keep the sabbath.
where did Jesus ever command to keep the 7th day? Nowhere. Luke says he was taken up,"after that he through the HG had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen." Acts1:2. Jesus gave commandments through the HG, would they not be the commandments of God? Hear Paul to what the commandments are "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. I Cor14:37.
Paul's writings are"the commandments of God.the Apostle says,Let those who are spiritual acknowledge it. Will Sda brethren acknowledge it?Paul -For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus1 Thess4:2. Apostles did give commandments by authority of the Lord Jesus. Peter similar testimony. 2 Peter 3:2."That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets and the com. of us apostles of Lord- Savior.*Entole* the Greek word for commandment, occurs in the NT
The condemnation of the law is Paul's theme ... we are no longer under condemnation but that does not mean the law is done away with, The Bibles says "should we make void the law because of faith? God Forbid !!!, rather we establish the law" Romans 3:31
The law no longer condemns us, but it is still God's standard. We obey the law not in order to be saved, it's impossible, but we obey the law because we were first saved and through faith in Christ His power enables us to do those things which please God. The law does not bring righteousness, Jesus does; but the law IS the result of the life of the righteous man living in Christ.
on the Sabbath issue, some believe it means a literal observance of the seventh-day. Others think it is the rest we have in Christ, resting (spiritually speaking) from our works (to save ourselves) as God rested. And they live their sabbath every day. Personally, I think that doing BOTH would be a great benefit :-)
The sabbath commandment has nothing to do with the church or with salvation. If you are happy keeping it, then you have that right. Col. 2:16 says that no man should judge us in respect to those things. It's of no consequence in other words. If I keep the new moon or the sabbath days, it's no different than if I was to celebrate thanksgiving or sweetest day.
>The sabbath commandment has nothing to do with the church or with salvation.
The Sabbath is as much as one of the 10C' as the other nine. Breaking it is as much a sin as breaking the other nine. The fact that most Christians as late as the 5th century kept the Sabbath tells us that they recognized that it was still abiding.
The sabbath is the sign of the 10 commandment covenant just like how Circumcision is the sign of the Abrahamic covenant. In Horeb was the 10 commandment covenant given that answers to Israel after the flesh who is in bondage with her children according to the context of Galatians 4:21-26. The new covenant never quotes the 10 commandments as 10 commandments. 2 Cor. 3:11 says they were done away! They were called the ministration of death, not the constitution of the universe.
The sabbath itself was called a covenant to be observed by the children of Israel throughout their generations in Ex. 31:16. God said it is a sign between Him and the children of Israel in vs. 17. That means it was exclusively binding to them only and does not apply to anyone else. This conversation took place on Mt. Sinai when God wrote the words of the covenant upon the tables. 10 commands. They are called the words of the covenant in Ex. 34:28.
>That means it was exclusively binding to them only and does not apply to anyone else.
When you become a follower of God you are grafted onto the stock -- the unbelieving one's were pruned off.
In the 5th century when the church was mostly Gentile most Christians kept the Sabbath. And certainly the Christians in India, Ireland and Ethiopia were Gentiles and they kept the sabbath.
Becoming a follower of God does not cause me to answer to the covenant made in Horeb. Paul said in Galatians 4 that that covenant is speaking to Israel after the flesh who is in bondage with her children.
>Becoming a follower of God does not cause me to answer to the covenant made in Horeb.
From an article I'm reading:
"To grant that some features of the sabbath indicate an intimate relation to the Jews, is not sufficient ground for asserting that it was confined to them alone. The Lord of the sabbath was God of Jew and Gentile." James D. O'Neill, "The Pre-Mosiac Sabbath--I," Catholic University Bulletin (Jan. 1899): pg. 32
>Becoming a follower of God does not cause me to answer to the covenant made in Horeb.
Did you know that in over 100 languages the name of the seventh day of the week is "sabbath"? They got that because the knowledge was handed down to them till the languages were created at the Tower of Babel. Search the web for Dr. William Mead Jones and you can see a partial list for yourself.
Maybe you could give some facts on Christians keeping the Sabbath in the 5th Century since the vast majority worshiped on the Lord's Day. You probably are referring some of the Jewish Christians of that time who wanted to cling to the OT laws much like the SDA do today.
>Maybe you could give some facts on Christians keeping the Sabbath in the 5th Century since the vast majority worshiped on the Lord's Day.
Sure and you can't block them like you do for your vids:
The people of Constantinople, & almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the 1st day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria. Sozomen, Ecclesiastical History, Chap. XIX, pg 592.
>Christians observed the Lord's Day then. The Jews still worshiped on the OT Sabbath.
Socrates Scholasticus:
"For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this." Ecclesiastical History, Book 5, chap. 22, pg. 244
He and Sozomen were talking about Christians, not Jews.
Who is the author of this bpook you probably do not even have. BTW what about the feathers and wings of God. My time to rofl as you were clearly shown you don't know the Bible.
No the Sabbath isn't called a covenant because it is part of the covenant. You know the one replaced by the New Covenant where the Old Covenant Sabbath was never renewed. Besides Jesus is now the Sabbath. It is in a person not a day of the week.
>You know the one replaced by the New Covenant where the Old Covenant Sabbath was never renewed.
There's nothing in the Bible that says anything has to be renewed.
God said:
Jeremiah 31:33 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
>There's no such thing as the 10 commandment covenant.
"And he declared unto you His covenant, which He commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and wrote them upon two tables of stone." (Deut. 4:13 KJV)
Right no 10 command covenant the 10 commandments were part of the whole covenant which had 613 laws. But because SDA want to change the image of God they say God has fingers which must mean He has feathers, wings, mouth, feet. By the way how tall is Go.
Jesus' Own Words: Rev 22:14, "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
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yet you's have to keep the sabbath. You'd can't eat pork etc. Read colossians 2:16 and Galatians 3:10. Ellen g white is to be rejected she's a false prophet. Repent and trust in Christ alone.
mamainmancj 3 months ago
THE SDA CHURCH TEACHES THAT OBEDIENCE IS A FRUIT, IT IS THE FRUIT OF A FAITH-RELATIONSHIP W/ JESUS CHRIST. OBEDIENCE IS AN EFFECT , IT IS NOT THE CAUSE WHY WE ARE SAVED, RATHER IT IS THE RESULT OF OUR BECOMING SAVED. Dr. Martin seems not to understand what the SDA Church is teaching. WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE ALONE, WE ARE MADE TO ACCEPT GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS ALONE, AND THIS GRACE ACCEPTED, RESULTS INTO OUR BECOMING SAVED, CONSEQUENTLY WE MANIFEST OBEDIENCE AS A FRUIT OF BECOMING SAVED.
iiiEMOTIONiii 3 months ago
this talk is about religion, faith.. but these two (john and walter) do not reflect in anyway a christ character, the way they speak, the way they interrogate the sda guy. i would rather believe that the sda guy is more faithful and knows his faith more than these to people who appear to be very intelligently tricky.
MrUrep17 6 months ago
Satan and his followers are working very hard with the loudest voices attacking the SDA and EGW. ( the prophesy)
mangnuraj 7 months ago 2
@mangnuraj Amen... The wolves are out. Why do people hate the fact that we are still bound to the 10 commandments? The whole world is against it, why? And if the Ten Commandments are nailed to the cross as they say then why make a sunday lay to enforce a day of worship? Its all Hypocrisy on the Beast's end. They just passed a sunday law in North Dakota. Its insane. God bless EGW and her message.
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AWHNNOH 8 months ago
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mpp1386 11 months ago
I was watching this again & I actually caught it...when he says at 50 secs, "the docterine of the judgment tells us", he is talking about the SDA docterine of the investigative judgment which the church took 13 years to come up with after the disappointment of 1844. Point being is that right after he says "Christ is my HOPE & he is my salvation, his justification is my HOPE". Hope is very important. The bible tells us that your salvation is a gift, it is assured if you truly believe in Christ.
KnoxKnowsBest 1 year ago
continued..It's not a HOPE in salvation or grace, it's a belief that your works can not get you to heaven no matter what you do or what day you worship on. It's a trust in His grace & a belief that it's sufficient, not a Hope. Do you believe in Christ b/c you hope the stories are true in the bible or do you believe in Christ b/c you felt him move in your life? If you believe in Christ & truly love Him, He moves through your life to make you better, not you proving yourself to Him. In all love.
KnoxKnowsBest 1 year ago
My interpretation of that parable is slightly different than his, I see like, Just as God has forgiven us of our trespasses, we should forgive those who trespass against us. Gee where have I heard that? The LORDS PRAYER!
RudeAwakning 1 year ago
James 2:14-26
mosquito103 1 year ago
oii John you bloddy show has 14 parts but they repeat themselves, you are wasting my time you idiot,
you better focus on your R'ship on Christ than competing with other denomination for who is right. this show is all bullshit and as for WALTER he needs a prayer session mate
GOD BLESS YOU
RamsesThe7th 1 year ago
Galatians goes on to say unequivocally, that if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (Gal. 5:18)
Paul also write that those who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ and have fallen from grace. (Gal. 5:4)
The most powerful statement on legalism and works, it seems to me, in the entire New Testament, is found in Galatians 2:21 where Paul states clearly that if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.
fightingbuddyboy 1 year ago
@fightingbuddyboy hi mate, i agree we save by grace and not by works,
but do you think the law doesn't matter, then why haven't u start killing people, stealing, etc and you are still saved. Can't u see doesn't make sense
Jesus said if you love me, you will obey my commandaments,John 14:23 works doesn't save us but because of our love for Christ we'll obey HIS law.
AS FOR THIS waste of TIME SHOW, should be focused on our R'ship with JESUS and not focusing on E.G White, she was a human too
RamsesThe7th 1 year ago
@fightingbuddyboy hi mate, i agree we save by grace and not by works,
but do you think the law doesn't matter, then why haven't u start killing people, stealing, etc and you are still saved. Can't u see doesn't make sense
Jesus said if you love me, you will obey my commandaments,John 14:23 works doesn't save us but because of our love for Christ we'll obey HIS law.
AS FOR THIS waste of TIME SHOW, should be focused on our R'ship with JESUS and not focusing on E.G White, she was a human too
RamsesThe7th 1 year ago
@RamsesThe7th are you trying to say that we are saved by grace? i am agreeable to that. but, we should remember that it is God's grace that lead us to obey the law... example.. it is God's grace that lead us not to kill.. it is God's grace that lead us not to commit adultery.. it is God's grace that lead us keep the seventh-day Sabbath as well... faith without work IS DEAD. our works is the indicator of our faith. hope this would enlighten you brother...God bless.
kharlly 10 months ago
@RamsesThe7th are you trying to say that we are saved by grace? i am agreeable to that. but, we should remember that it is God's grace that lead us to obey the law... example.. it is God's grace that lead us not to kill.. it is God's grace that lead us not to commit adultery.. it is God's grace that lead us keep the seventh-day Sabbath as well... faith without work IS DEAD. our works are indicator of our faith. hope this would enlighten you brother...God bless.
kharlly 10 months ago
Read Galatians people. Read it very carefully. The doctrinal questions may be answered in full.
It is faith that makes one righteous...not works. Abraham was considered righteous by faith before the law was even written. (Gal. 3:6-9)
Paul goes on to write that all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse and that no one is justified by the law. (Gal. 3:10-11) SDA doctrine claims that one must continue in good works under the law...what does that tell you?
fightingbuddyboy 1 year ago
I find it weird that Dr. Johnson is the only one without paper 0_0
iMattCi89 1 year ago
what Dr. Martin fails to realize is that by faith in God's grace we are saved and His blood cleanses us. But it doesn't stop there. According to the model God put up in the earthly sanctuary, the sinner who plead the blood of the sacrificed lamb was considered justified and cleansed of his sins. But his sins don't get blotted out until the Day of Atonement is over. His sins got transferred to the sanctuary. In the same way, 1844 was when Jesus started the Day of Atonement work on earth.
iMattCi89 1 year ago
John, are you the moderator here or are you one of Dr. Martin. I think you must act as a moderator without defending any of them.
2009GladTidings 1 year ago
Colossians 2 (KJV)
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
windbisquit25 1 year ago
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The GOD's grace save who have works. You can´t continue as sinner (against GOD) and hope to be saved! Jesus said to do what he did, kept the commandments!
Acmd7 1 year ago
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Shelter93 1 year ago
It's pretty clear that the SDA seem to take Ellen G W's writings and approve them above scripture.
demondagger19 2 years ago
@demondagger19: Nope!
dconklin58 2 years ago
Yes, actually there are some SDA who do take Ellen G W's writings over scripture.
demondagger19 2 years ago 2
@demondagger19: Can't be. Her works are based on Scripture and secondly she explicitly taught us not to do that:
"Lay Sister White right to one side: lay her to one side. Don't you never quote my words again as long as you live, until you can obey the Bible. ... don't you give a rap any more what 'Sister White Said' —'Sister White said this,' and 'Sister White said that,' and 'Sister White said the other thing'. But say, 'Thus saith the Lord God of Israel.' Spalding and Magan Collection
dconklin58 2 years ago
And low and behold she did just that, if she placed her writings above scripture, yet at the same time says she does not, then obviously she self contradicted herself. And while i may believe that ellen probably did have some good intentions with in her writings, i do believe on the other hand that it can be spiritually dangerous. There are some teachings with in the SDA, that are not biblical, such as keeping the sabbath in order to be saved, the inhalation of the wicked, soul sleep, (Cont)
demondagger19 2 years ago
"low and behold she did just that, if she placed her writings above scripture,"
Hmm, what part of her quote not to do that didn't you understand?
"Lay Sister White right to one side: lay her to one side. Don't you never quote my words again as long as you live, until you can obey the Bible. ... don't you give a rap any more what 'Sister White Said' —'Sister White said this,' & 'Sister White said that,' and 'Sister White said the other thing'. But say, 'Thus saith the Lord God of Israel.'
dconklin58 2 years ago
@demondagger19: "some teachings with in the SDA, that are not biblical, such as keeping the sabbath in order to be saved, the
We don't teach that.
> the inhalation of the wicked
In 45 years I've never heard of it.
>soul sleep,
Jesus called death a sleep--read John 11 on the raising of Lazarus.
dconklin58 2 years ago
(Cont) and the teaching that Christ went through a second faze during his redemptive work, and that the coming of Christ was to take place Oct 22, these teachings are not biblical, while i do believe in keeping the sabbath, the bible states that we aren't saved through any works at all, which would also include trying to keep the sabbath.
demondagger19 2 years ago
@demondagger19: "which would also include trying to keep the sabbath."
Which God told you to rememebr to keep and most Christians around the Med did so till at least the 5th century and in India till the 1540's and in Ethiopia till the early 1600's.
dconklin58 2 years ago
@demondagger19 I'm an SDA also and yes you do run into those who put her writings on the same level of scripture. I find that you mostly hear from them at bible study. If there's a question it's "but EGW said.." or "but Mrs. White said..". I just take her as the founder of the church and a beautiful writer. But that is it. There are many in the church that believe in justification through faith. The scriptures are grace heavy for a reason and that's the point the gospel is trying to make.
KnoxKnowsBest 1 year ago
At least your being honest, but I don't believe that all SDA's take her writings above or at equal value as scripture, just some. It should always be known that her writings should not and cannot be above nor at equal value as scripture.
demondagger19 1 year ago
@demondagger19 No, I don't believe that most SDA's take her writings on the same plane or above scripture. I was really just trying to agree with your statement.
I'm glad I'm in an SDA church that believes in justification through faith. The church is, I believe, slowly changing.
KnoxKnowsBest 1 year ago
Not all SDA's believe in justification by faith alone, in fact some even believe that they must keep the sabbath in order to be saved. Second, some of what the SDA teaches is no were found in scripture nor is it taught, such as the teaching of the (Inhalation of the wicked) and (Soul sleep) and of course like I've mentioned earlier, the teaching that a person must obey the sabbath in order to be saved. These teachings are un-biblical, yet some SDA's do believe this as biblical teachings.
demondagger19 1 year ago
Part 5: Paul talks in part about works in the scriptures. I like Gal Chptrs 4 & 5. But, the gospel is grace excessive for a reason. It is Paul in Gal 5:9 who says a little leaven, leavens the whole lump. Leaven, being works. He was speaking to a group of people who wanted to go back and pick up some of the old law when he said a little leaven, leavens the whole lump. Well, thats the way I see it friend.
KnoxKnowsBest 1 year ago 6
@KnoxKnowsBest What I try to explain to Christians is that we are not saved by keeping the law but I believe that someone can lose their salvation is after they have been saved they carry on breaking God's Ten Commandment law. So many Christians seem to misunderstand and I'm getting fed up of trying to make my point. My point is is that even though we are saved bu faith, faith without works is dead and we can lose our salvation.
ArmageddonComingSoon 1 year ago
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KnoxKnowsBest 1 year ago
@KnoxKnowsBest I agree but Paul also in Galatians 5 is showingthat if someone is truly saved they wouldn't still be living in fornicaiton, adn all of the other thigns he lists there. I really think he was trying to make that clear there so that people would have a right view of grace. Some churches are even using covetousness to try to bring people to the Lord today - "Come to jesus and he will get you a lexus." That's turngin the grace of God into lasciviousness.
thesacredcowtipper 1 year ago
Part 4: A usual SDA comeback will be Christ said that he didnt come to change one tittle of the law (just paraphrasing) or Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. Although, that is not to say that you have to keep the old testament law which Christ Himself came to abolish to go to heaven. It took me a long time of studying just the bible to come to this realization as an SDA.
KnoxKnowsBest 1 year ago 2
Part 3: He teaches that you must adhere to the old law which Christ came down to live that law perfectly & be the lamb so that we would not have to be judged under it and a new covenant would be set up. (Bible NAS) Hebrews 10:9 10 : then he said, Behold I have come to do thy will. He takes away the first in order to establish the second. By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL.
KnoxKnowsBest 1 year ago 5
@KnoxKnowsBest Jesus also said, "If you love me keep my commandments" Does that mean keep some of them or all of them? It's sda how many people use the sacrafice of Jesus to live a sinful life.
ArmageddonComingSoon 1 year ago
@ArmageddonComingSoon To live a sinful life? As if one has a choice but to live a sinful life. My point is merely to love Christ, try to do His will and you will go to heaven. Worrying about commandments, the Law, works are not what will get you into heaven. If you love Christ, you will do good works and bear fruit. If you think that we are wrong about something, yes, I'm an SDA & I disagree w/Mrs. White on Grace. Besides that, I believe that she was a beautiful writer.
KnoxKnowsBest 1 year ago
Part 2: I feel arguing about soul sleep & the word I believe you were trying for, annihilionism, is getting caught up in the tall weeds. It doesnt really matter as long as you love Jesus Christ and try to do his will, you are going to heaven. This is the point as an SDA I find frustrating because there are pastors like Doug Bachelor which I believe is sincere, but just wrong.
KnoxKnowsBest 1 year ago
(It doesnt really matter as long as you love Jesus Christ and try to do his will, you are going to heaven.)
It's interesting that you mention that, considering that the same can be said for Mormons as well, they to claim to believe and love Jesus Christ as well, and also claim to be doing (Gods Will), yet in contrast most of what Mormonism teaches are none-biblical teachings, yet Mormons still claim to be Christians regardless.
(Cont)
demondagger19 1 year ago
@KnoxKnowsBest I have recently joined an SDa church because I believe the SDA church is the closet church to the truth which is in my travel distance. All I do is go by what the Bible says. If you can tell me something that you think we are wrong about then please let me know.
ArmageddonComingSoon 1 year ago
Part 1: Yes, there are SDAs that dont believe in justification through faith & grace. Thats why I believe the church has been split between those who believe in adherence to EGWs teachings which would be, I think the majority or at least half of the church & those like myself who believe that she was a beautiful writer & the founder of our church, but that is it. I did read someone else on here a page or 2 back on the series that believes the same thing.
KnoxKnowsBest 1 year ago
Interesting, but again, due to some of what the SDA teachings, it may lead some, if not most down a misleading path. Many evidently will believe it as authoritative regadless of what she writes, why? it's because some, if not most SDA's fail to question her writings and feel in no way to question weather or not her writings are truly inspired by God, the point is to be discerning, not gullible and the only way to know weather her writings are from God, is through scripture.
demondagger19 1 year ago
While there are some SDA's who have placed there faith in Jesus alone for salvation, and do in fact believe in salvation by grace through faith, and that's fine, on that level alone, yes (Seventh Day Adventism) is Christian, but, due to some doctrinal issues in regards to the SDA belief, it would be safe to say that (Seventh Day Adventism) does indeed have errors in regards to there teachings. I'm not against the SDA members, I am however against some of what (Seventh Day Adventism) teaches.
demondagger19 1 year ago
Salvation through faith by law, it cannot be other way, it's Biblical.
Acmd7 1 year ago
Salvation through faith by law, it cannot be other way, it's Biblical.
Acmd7 1 year ago
Salvation through faith by law, it cannot be other way, it's Biblical.
Acmd7 1 year ago
@Acmd7 Well, my friend, I don't believe that & I don't believe that Paul believes it either. See Gal 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
KnoxKnowsBest 1 year ago
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@KnoxKnowsBest The GOD's grace save who have works. You can´t continue as sinner (against GOD) and hope to be saved! Jesus said to do what he did, kept the commandments!
Acmd7 1 year ago
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@KnoxKnowsBest The GOD's grace save who have works. You can´t continue as sinner (against GOD) and hope to be saved! Jesus said to do what he did, kept the commandments!
Acmd7 1 year ago
Plain and simple.
demondagger19 1 year ago
I am not disagreeing with walter.BUT if I were dr. johnsson I would make the point clear that even if I wewere to call Mrs. Martin a dirty name Whether or not she deserved it or not ...I would still expect him to defend her vehemently And since walter is an outsider ..thank youi for your scholarly opinion and now please ..shut up and respect my doctrinal differances
zwreckless1 2 years ago
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Ellen White( Ellen Harmon) was lied to by William Miller about the Jewish Day of Atonement being on 22nd October 1844. The SHUT DOOR and END OF THE WORLD.
It,the Jewish Day of Atonement was on the 23rd September 1844.
Ellen White never had the gift of prophecy. She lied and SDA Church was founded by Ellen's Lying Visions.
onetwopussies 2 years ago
this guy is getting absolutely buried in this debate. its tough to defend a false prophet. Its impossible to refute the Word of God.
robkelly100 2 years ago
True that rob... Johnsson is getting PWND over and over even people in his own church PWND him in the last video!! He represents SDA as completely blind followers of a false prophet who even when confronted with their false doctrine in light of the Scripture will not refute the lies propagated by their false prophet and CULT!!!
EGW is a false prophet and SDA is a CULT against the teachings and Word of GOD and Christ!!!
daciple 2 years ago
>EGW is a false prophet and SDA is a CULT against the teachings and Word of GOD and Christ!!!
If that was true, then why do the critics have to lie so much?
We now know that the following claims are false (or so outrageous as to need no rebuttal (see
#31, 36 and 37)):
1. That Ellen White was a plagiarist.
2. That she plagiarized by paraphrasing.
3. That she was a millionaire.
4. That she was accumulating property while telling everyone else not to.
49 to go!
dconklin58 2 years ago
>EGW is a false prophet and SDA is a CULT against the teachings and Word of GOD and Christ!!!
Bold claim, no proof.
dconklin58 2 years ago
>He represents SDA as completely blind followers of a false prophet who even when confronted with their false doctrine in light of the Scripture will not refute the lies propagated by their false prophet and CULT!!!
In the comments on another video you also claimed that Jonah told the Ninvehites how to be saved and when I showed that didn't happen, you changed it to the king having a vision! ROFL!
dconklin58 2 years ago
2 Cor 3:6 - 9 (NIV) 6He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life
nokiaicon 2 years ago
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The Sabbath Day is not the "Jewish Sabbath," it is God's Sabbath. Jesus Christ, the greatest "Christian" of all, observed the Sabbath Day (Saturday), and only the Sabbath Day (the pagan Roman "sun day" did already exist at that time, but Jesus Christ, and the apostles, and the early church, were all Sabbath keepers - they would never have observed the heathen "sun-worship day"):
Satan created sunday worship to try and take glory from God. Please dont support him people.
daintyapple 2 years ago
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So, according to Dr. Walter Martin, if you like committing adultery and as long as I believe that Jesus died so that I can continue committing adultery I am golden! How laughable! The true Christian will find sin repugnant and would not to sin because it hurts our father. Did Jesus die so that you can continue to do the sin you like doing "oops, Im not perfect, but no worries Jesus died so I dont have to worry about committing my favorite sin". Dr. Martin forgets Rev 22:11
hopgoblin1 2 years ago
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hopgoblin1 2 years ago
It is interesting in this video that the late Dr. Walter Martin exposes the contradiction of the doctrine of the Investigative Judgment found in Ellen Whites book "The Great Controversy". How that it teaches that a person's sins are not blotted out when they repent but at a later time in the future only if they meet certain requirements. At about 2:35 til 3:50 in this video, we see this doctrine placed under scriptural scrutiny and it failed. Bill Johnsson never answered the contradiction.
epw0003 2 years ago
>Dr. Walter Martin exposes the contradiction of the doctrine of the Investigative Judgment found in Ellen Whites book "The Great Controversy".
Brillant example of why one should read the book yourself to see if it is true or not.
djconklin 2 years ago
>we see this doctrine placed under scriptural scrutiny and it failed.
How can it fail when it is based one what the Bible says? See the day of Atonement ceremony. That alone proves it to be biblical.
djconklin 2 years ago
djconklin, have you watched this video? Why did Dr. Johnsson the editor of the Adventist Review smile when Dr. Martin asked him was his sins blotted out rather than answer him with the same directness as the question presented? How come he didn't say yes like you did? Dr. Martin quoted in context The Great Controversy stating that a person's sins are not blotted out until after the conclusion of the Investigative Judgment. You can't be a 7th day adventist if you don't accept this.
epw0003 2 years ago
>Dr. Martin quoted in context The Great Controversy stating that a person's sins are not blotted out until after the conclusion of the Investigative Judgment.
Read the text for yourself. Don't assume that he read it in context.
djconklin 2 years ago
Hey djconklin, are your sins blotted out?
Whenever you confess your sins they are blotted out by the blood of Christ.
djconklin 2 years ago
This is true. The only problem is that this comes again the SDA doctrine of Investigative Judgment. Dr. Bill Johnsson the Editor of the Adventist Review was afraid to say what you just said because it would have costed him his job. Watch this 11th video. He smiles as he cannot answer the question directly at about 3:35 to 3:50 in this video. Your statement disagrees directly with your prophetess and your denomination. What you said is true though. So what do you say to these things?
epw0003 2 years ago
against, not again.
epw0003 2 years ago
>Your statement disagrees directly with your prophetess and your denomination.
1) I do NOT have a prophetess.
2) You are going to have to be more specific: which statement of mine contradicts which statement of Ellen White and which statement of the church?
djconklin 2 years ago
Watch the video and you will see. The doctrine of the Investigative Judgment clearly states that a person's sins will be blotted out at the end of the Investigative Judgment. This is clearly a contradiction of scripture. If you are a 7th day adventist, you agree that Ellen G. White was a prophetess and that her writings are infallible. If any Adventist leader denies this, he disappears. Research this.
epw0003 2 years ago
>The doctrine of the Investigative Judgment clearly states that a person's sins will be blotted out at the end of the Investigative Judgment.
That's not what i was taught. Who told you tha this is what the IJ teaches?
>If you are a 7th day adventist, you agree that Ellen G. White was a prophetess
Nope.
>and that her writings are infallible.
ROFL! She didn't even teach this!
>If any Adventist leader denies this, he disappears.
BUNK!
djconklin 2 years ago
whenever you confessyour sins they blotted out? Not untill the end of the IJ! This guy does not even know what his sda teaches. IJ is not of the bible! it's a savation by works! you can't have grace an IJ at same time.sda has tried to change meaning of IJ to make it seem from bible but at the end of the day, it mean what EW said about it! When one researches it all, you can see what it implies! and it came out of the shut door thing! an 1844 failor! it is so easy to see this! sda defend error
game11221 2 years ago
IJ put into place before sda beleived in grace. grace first preached 1888 GCM. so what were they preaching untill then? It is well known why IJ was put into place! This is why some scholars of sda tried to show it's error! an were fired or just left the sda. if from bible why did people leave because of it? why set up a secret comitee to try to prove it for 5 yr's? and never proved it! only try by proof text method, witch fail's by context of bible. sda shurch say it's true so sda beleive it
game11221 2 years ago
Hey djconklin, are your sins blotted out?
epw0003 2 years ago
>sTILL DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE sda MAKE gOD IN THEIR OWN IMAGE.
They don't. You have failed to show any ebvidence to support your claim.
djconklin 2 years ago
>Learn to read better and you will not make such mistakes.
Indeed, you should follow your own advice.
>Now who got caught lying
Only you so far.
djconklin 2 years ago
>I was answering random questions from like a year ago. You would have to see all the comments to see where they appear.
That's why you need to quote what you are responding to. And from that far back it is highly unlikely that they'll ever see your response.
djconklin 2 years ago
I will take your advice about quoting, but i disagree with them not ever seeing my response because I've done this plenty of times and got immediate responses. Youtube notifies these individuals in their inbox.
epw0003 2 years ago
>because I've done this plenty of times and got immediate responses.
Youtube only tells you that you responded to a post they had made--it doesn't tell us which one.
djconklin 2 years ago
You can click on the hyperlink in the actual message in your in box and it will takr you right to the comment. This is how I found you a few times.
epw0003 2 years ago
>You can click on the hyperlink in the actual message in your in box and it will takr you right to the comment. This is how I found you a few times.
That appears to only work on recent coments.
djconklin 2 years ago
Well, I've gotten responses in the past. It seems to work. Otherwise it still has value for people who scroll the comments.
epw0003 2 years ago
".. the Gentile Christians observed also the Sabbath ..." Gieseler's Church History, Vol.1, ch.2, par.30, p.93.
djconklin 2 years ago
The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria. Salaminius Hermias Sozomen, Ecclesiastical History, Chap. XIX, pg. 592
djconklin 2 years ago
>Author please if you can provide one. Just a simple question. Who is the author. There are several books on Ecclesiastical History.
I gave the name for each quote* the first time. Aren't you familiar with early church history?
One was by, and I quote: "Socrates Scholasticus"
* the one by Sozomen disappeared. I'll re-post it.
djconklin 2 years ago
"... the primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews;...therefore the Christians for a long time together, did keep their conventions on the Sabbath, in which some portion of the Law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council ..." The Whole Works of Jeremey Taylor, book 2, chapt. 2, pags 456-7. You can dl'd the book from Google Book.
djconklin 2 years ago
Did you read Ps. 91:4 "He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge. His truth is your shield and armor." Now what is this ignorance you show by saying God doesn't have feathers and wings?
Bingolly1 2 years ago
"The Jewish wickedness" of which Xavier complained (in 1542-8) was evidently the Sabbath-keeping among those native Christians ... . When one of these Sabbath-keeping Christians was taken by the Inquisition he was accused of having *Judaized*; which means having conformed to the ceremonies of the Mosaic Law; such as not eating pork, hare, fish without scales, &c., of having attended the solemnization of the Sabbath." Account of the Inquisition at Goa, Dellon, p.56. London, 1815
djconklin 2 years ago
>The law pointed us to our Saviour Jesus Christ, but He never points us back to the law.
He pointed back to the Law when He explained what it meant and that was based on the principle of love.
djconklin 2 years ago
Where did He point back explaining what the Law meant as to place us back under it? The perfect law of liberty is the gospel. The law had it's time until He came. Now we have the gospel to obey.
epw0003 2 years ago
>Where did He point back explaining what the Law meant as to place us back under it?
He showed that the 10C's are based on the principle of love: love for God with all your heart, mind and strength and love for your neighbor as yourself. Who wouldn['t want to love and be loved?
djconklin 2 years ago
>Your context is wrong, but that's my opinion these are all individual subjects
Don't go by your opinion. Look at the grammar. Think what the words "in respect of" mean. Then think Venn diagram. In one circle you have the eating and the drinking. In the second circle you have the days. Paul is talking about where the two circles overlap. Its the eating and drinking ON the days that is in view. The ascetics were saying "You'll get closer to God if you fast on those days."
djconklin 2 years ago
Nope. He is talking about everything he names in that verse. He wrote it plainly. There is no special scholarly way of looking at it. That is where people go wrong. He mentioned eating and drinking. Then he mentioned holy days which are the yearly feasts or appointed times. Then he mentioned the new moon which is obvoiusly monthly. And lastly he mentioned the Sabbath which is obviously weekly. The body of Jesus represented the whole old covenant when It was nailed to the cross.
epw0003 2 years ago
You are ignoring what the words "in respect of" means.
djconklin 2 years ago
there is no mention of fasting there ... sorry ... that's a stretch ...He was talking about the feast days and the new moons and the sabbaths, clearly
gnmtyf 2 years ago
AMEN!
epw0003 2 years ago
>there is no mention of fasting there
I didn't say that there was. It is the ACT of eating and drinking that is in view. See my study where I show this. Barth and Eadie noted it.
>He was talking about the feast days and the new moons and the sabbaths,
ON those days. That's what the words "in respect of" mean. Literally, the Greek (en merei) means "in that part of."
djconklin 2 years ago
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Simply put, this is referring to the festival sabbaths and not the seventh-day Sabbath. That is my whole point. You can go off on a tangent but my whole point is that this verse is NOT justification for ignoring the seventh-day sabbath of the decalogue.
gnmtyf 2 years ago
>Simply put, this is referring to the festival sabbaths and not the seventh-day Sabbath. That is my whole point.
I agree with you.
>You can go off on a tangent
I never have before and I don't ever intend to start.
djconklin 2 years ago
Col. 2:16 is speaking of the 7th day sabbath.
epw0003 2 years ago
But if you'd like to go into specific detail about where I am in error, I'd be happy to analyze every word
gnmtyf 2 years ago
Not at all ... perhaps you need to read it again ... I've already studied it out thoroughly making references to all of the original Greek.
gnmtyf 2 years ago
4th commandment/sabbath trashing is about the most obvious religious con job/deception on EARTH. Just compare how 99% of the church use ACTS 20:7 and never teach about ACTS 13:42-4, 16:13, 17:2 and 18:4. The usual text used is Col 2:16,17 and by many who don't have a clue what they are talking about. If PAUL trashed the sabbath, why didn't he warn all of those gentiles in ACTS to stop hanging around the Jews and come worship with him on the SUNday/Lord's day???????? SATAN has the church sinning
gettalifenow 3 years ago
Totally correct, Paul preached to Jews AND Gentiles on the Sabbath. Col 2: is about the sacrificial system and it's festivals, and sabbaths, not the Holy Sabbath, that's why the text talks about drink offerings and new moons, etc. and calls them a shadow of things to come, Christ, they were abolished at the cross just as v.14 says but this is not talking about the 10 command law. Paul covered that in Romans 3:31, ALL 10 Commandments STILL STAND.
gnmtyf 2 years ago
Your statement shows you lack an understanding of Greek
bsmsupercal 2 years ago
>Col 2: is about the sacrificial system and it's festivals, and sabbaths, not the Holy Sabbath,
Nope. Col. 2:16-17 is about eating and drinking ON the days that are then mentioned. Search the web for "In-Depth Look at the Significant Words and Grammatical Structure of Colossians 2:16-17."
djconklin 2 years ago
It's about whether the festival sabbaths are still valid, eating and drinking is not the point it's the "holy days" that were being discussed; because the Jews were trying to convince Gentiles to follow those things which Christ abolished and to put them under the postions of that law that were nailed to the cross ... this does NOT include the 10 commandments since they are not part of the "book of the law" nor are they ordinances.
gnmtyf 2 years ago
>eating and drinking is not the point it's the "holy days" that were being discussed;
It is precisely the eating and drinking ON those days that is being discussed. The ascetics were trying to tell the believers that they could get closer to God by fasting on those days.
It was the record of our sins that was nailed to the Cross, not the Law that points out our sins.
djconklin 2 years ago
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
your context is wrong, but that's my opinion ... these are all individual subjects ...
The law, I agree, was not nailed to te cross, not the 10 commandment law ... the laws and ordinances in the book of the law, were however, nailed to the cross
gnmtyf 2 years ago
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"How come sabbatarians never expound on Col. 2:15? There is a big hole in sabbatarian exergesis of the context of Col. 2:14-17 because verse 15 is never covered! That is suspect. Yet I have covered each verse, 14, 15, 16, and 17. This is because I respect the ministry and the scriptural authority that God gave to the apostles to fulfil the word of God as it is written in Colossians 1:25. Read my other comments on this video. You could receive edification."
epw0003 2 years ago
The law that pointed to your sins was against you because it had no power to forgive you, only to condemn you. This is exactly what Paul was talking about in Romans chapter 7. This was the power of sin against us. He had to nail it to the cross to disarm the enemy as it says in Col. 2:15. He had to take away the strength of sin which is the law that condemned you only to replace it with Himself. Satan can't use Jesus to condemn us!
epw0003 2 years ago
>The law that pointed to your sins was against you because it had no power to forgive you, only to condemn you.
Correct. The Law also points us to our Saviour Jesus Christ who condemned sin in the flesh and can save us from our sins. Now, if the Law was nailed to the Cross as you say elsewhere, then it's not around to condemn us for our sins or to lead us to Christ.
djconklin 2 years ago
The law pointed us to our Saviour Jesus Christ, but He never points us back to the law. The gospel is sufficient and is our law in the new testament. It's the law of Christ. Jesus's body represented the old testament being nailed to the cross. Paul also called It the veil in 2 Cor. 3:13-16. The law only applies to those who are under it. But to those who turn to the Lord, it is taken away. Jesus said the time is at hand believe the gospel; and His apostles said later to obey it.
epw0003 2 years ago
This brings us back to baptism and what it all means. He consecrated for us a new and living way. It is only through death; of which we who are of Christ are all parttakers. Everyone who is baptized has died to the world, just as Christ did when He died on the cross. Our lives are now hidden with Christ in God. This is our eternal assurance: that as we are in Christ, we are no longer under the law, but under grace. I've already mentioned the law of Christ so I won't be redundant.
epw0003 2 years ago
>This is our eternal assurance: that as we are in Christ, we are no longer under the law, but under grace.
Correct, as long as we remain in Christ and do not sin we are not under the condemnation of the Law. The Law is based on the moral principle of love. Love is not a burden, but a joy.
djconklin 2 years ago
Under the law of Christ we are chastened as sons. We are not condemned. There is law within the gospel. The law of the 10 commandments met it's antitype. Christ Himself is it's replacement. Everything He and His apostles taught verbally and in writing is what applies to the church. This is the gospel and it is the law of Christ.
epw0003 2 years ago
>The law of the 10 commandments met it's antitype.
Not antitype. Christ fulfilled the Law. He condemend sin in the flesh. His righteousness then can cover us we succumb to sin in the flesh. The Law points out to us exactly where we sin--that's why some don't want you to look at the Law.
>Everything He and His apostles taught verbally and in writing is what applies to the church.
And that is why most Christians even as late as the 5th century kept the Sabbath.
djconklin 2 years ago
>And that is why most Christians even as late as the 5th century kept the Sabbath.
There is no sabbath commandment in the new testament. This is why most christians now, and even way back to the 1st century way before catholicism was even thought of, don't and did not keep the sabbath.
epw0003 2 years ago
where did Jesus ever command to keep the 7th day? Nowhere. Luke says he was taken up,"after that he through the HG had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen." Acts1:2. Jesus gave commandments through the HG, would they not be the commandments of God? Hear Paul to what the commandments are "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. I Cor14:37.
game11221 2 years ago
Paul's writings are"the commandments of God.the Apostle says,Let those who are spiritual acknowledge it. Will Sda brethren acknowledge it?Paul -For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus1 Thess4:2. Apostles did give commandments by authority of the Lord Jesus. Peter similar testimony. 2 Peter 3:2."That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets and the com. of us apostles of Lord- Savior.*Entole* the Greek word for commandment, occurs in the NT
game11221 2 years ago
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epw0003 2 years ago
The condemnation of the law is Paul's theme ... we are no longer under condemnation but that does not mean the law is done away with, The Bibles says "should we make void the law because of faith? God Forbid !!!, rather we establish the law" Romans 3:31
gnmtyf 2 years ago
The law no longer condemns us, but it is still God's standard. We obey the law not in order to be saved, it's impossible, but we obey the law because we were first saved and through faith in Christ His power enables us to do those things which please God. The law does not bring righteousness, Jesus does; but the law IS the result of the life of the righteous man living in Christ.
gnmtyf 2 years ago
on the Sabbath issue, some believe it means a literal observance of the seventh-day. Others think it is the rest we have in Christ, resting (spiritually speaking) from our works (to save ourselves) as God rested. And they live their sabbath every day. Personally, I think that doing BOTH would be a great benefit :-)
gnmtyf 2 years ago
The sabbath commandment has nothing to do with the church or with salvation. If you are happy keeping it, then you have that right. Col. 2:16 says that no man should judge us in respect to those things. It's of no consequence in other words. If I keep the new moon or the sabbath days, it's no different than if I was to celebrate thanksgiving or sweetest day.
epw0003 2 years ago
>The sabbath commandment has nothing to do with the church or with salvation.
The Sabbath is as much as one of the 10C' as the other nine. Breaking it is as much a sin as breaking the other nine. The fact that most Christians as late as the 5th century kept the Sabbath tells us that they recognized that it was still abiding.
djconklin 2 years ago
The sabbath is the sign of the 10 commandment covenant just like how Circumcision is the sign of the Abrahamic covenant. In Horeb was the 10 commandment covenant given that answers to Israel after the flesh who is in bondage with her children according to the context of Galatians 4:21-26. The new covenant never quotes the 10 commandments as 10 commandments. 2 Cor. 3:11 says they were done away! They were called the ministration of death, not the constitution of the universe.
epw0003 2 years ago
>The sabbath is the sign of the 10 commandment covenant
There's no such thing as the 10 commandment covenant.
Most Christians even as late as the 5th century kept the Sabbath. In India, till Xavier showed up in 1542 and in Ethiopia till 1602.
djconklin 2 years ago
The sabbath itself was called a covenant to be observed by the children of Israel throughout their generations in Ex. 31:16. God said it is a sign between Him and the children of Israel in vs. 17. That means it was exclusively binding to them only and does not apply to anyone else. This conversation took place on Mt. Sinai when God wrote the words of the covenant upon the tables. 10 commands. They are called the words of the covenant in Ex. 34:28.
epw0003 2 years ago
>That means it was exclusively binding to them only and does not apply to anyone else.
When you become a follower of God you are grafted onto the stock -- the unbelieving one's were pruned off.
In the 5th century when the church was mostly Gentile most Christians kept the Sabbath. And certainly the Christians in India, Ireland and Ethiopia were Gentiles and they kept the sabbath.
djconklin 2 years ago
Becoming a follower of God does not cause me to answer to the covenant made in Horeb. Paul said in Galatians 4 that that covenant is speaking to Israel after the flesh who is in bondage with her children.
epw0003 2 years ago
>Becoming a follower of God does not cause me to answer to the covenant made in Horeb.
Not to the covenant, now God writes His law of love on your heart.
djconklin 2 years ago
>Becoming a follower of God does not cause me to answer to the covenant made in Horeb.
From an article I'm reading:
"To grant that some features of the sabbath indicate an intimate relation to the Jews, is not sufficient ground for asserting that it was confined to them alone. The Lord of the sabbath was God of Jew and Gentile." James D. O'Neill, "The Pre-Mosiac Sabbath--I," Catholic University Bulletin (Jan. 1899): pg. 32
djconklin 2 years ago
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epw0003 2 years ago
>Becoming a follower of God does not cause me to answer to the covenant made in Horeb.
Did you know that in over 100 languages the name of the seventh day of the week is "sabbath"? They got that because the knowledge was handed down to them till the languages were created at the Tower of Babel. Search the web for Dr. William Mead Jones and you can see a partial list for yourself.
djconklin 2 years ago
Maybe you could give some facts on Christians keeping the Sabbath in the 5th Century since the vast majority worshiped on the Lord's Day. You probably are referring some of the Jewish Christians of that time who wanted to cling to the OT laws much like the SDA do today.
Bingolly1 2 years ago
>Maybe you could give some facts on Christians keeping the Sabbath in the 5th Century since the vast majority worshiped on the Lord's Day.
Sure and you can't block them like you do for your vids:
The people of Constantinople, & almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the 1st day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria. Sozomen, Ecclesiastical History, Chap. XIX, pg 592.
djconklin 2 years ago
The "people" gathering is different that Christians gathering. Christians observed the Lord's Day then. The Jews still worshiped on the OT Sabbath.
Bingolly1 2 years ago
>Christians observed the Lord's Day then. The Jews still worshiped on the OT Sabbath.
Socrates Scholasticus:
"For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this." Ecclesiastical History, Book 5, chap. 22, pg. 244
He and Sozomen were talking about Christians, not Jews.
djconklin 2 years ago
Cutting and pasting without reading the book is rather ignorant.
Bingolly1 2 years ago
>Cutting and pasting without reading the book is rather ignorant.
Can't post the whole book; where's the proof that I didn't read it? Why do you lie so often? Where's the upside?
djconklin 2 years ago
Who is the author of this bpook you probably do not even have. BTW what about the feathers and wings of God. My time to rofl as you were clearly shown you don't know the Bible.
Bingolly1 2 years ago
>Who is the author of this bpook you probably do not even have.
I told you the names of several authors. I don't have to own a physical copy of the book. Some sources are readily available on the web.
djconklin 2 years ago
Author please if you can provide one. Just a simple question. Who is the author. There are several books on Ecclesiastical History.
Bingolly1 2 years ago
No the Sabbath isn't called a covenant because it is part of the covenant. You know the one replaced by the New Covenant where the Old Covenant Sabbath was never renewed. Besides Jesus is now the Sabbath. It is in a person not a day of the week.
Bingolly1 2 years ago
I was referring to Ex. 31:16.
epw0003 2 years ago
>You know the one replaced by the New Covenant where the Old Covenant Sabbath was never renewed.
There's nothing in the Bible that says anything has to be renewed.
God said:
Jeremiah 31:33 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
djconklin 2 years ago
>There's no such thing as the 10 commandment covenant.
"And he declared unto you His covenant, which He commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and wrote them upon two tables of stone." (Deut. 4:13 KJV)
epw0003 2 years ago
You need to study up on what constitutes a covenant.
djconklin 2 years ago
Right no 10 command covenant the 10 commandments were part of the whole covenant which had 613 laws. But because SDA want to change the image of God they say God has fingers which must mean He has feathers, wings, mouth, feet. By the way how tall is Go.
Bingolly1 2 years ago
I was referring to Deut. 4:13.
epw0003 2 years ago
>the 10 commandments were part of the whole covenant which had 613 laws.
If you look at the 613 you find that some are expansions/explanations of the 10.
djconklin 2 years ago
>But because SDA want to change the image of God
Where's the proof that we want to do that?
>they say God has fingers
No, the Bible does:
Exodus 8:19 ... This is the finger of God: ... We go by the Bible, not the teachings of man.
djconklin 2 years ago