Barack's Big Abortion Bailout

[kbasing]

Over 70% of pro-lifers are men. 100% of them will never be pregnant.

How is it fair that men are even allowed to DISCUSS abortion in the political world?

[HolyknightVader999]

@kbasing Actually, there's a lot of pro lifers who are women. I saw them on the last Pro-life rally. The Leadership is headed mostly by men, since the Catholic clergy, which lent its bureaucratic power to the pro life program, has all males. But the grassroots people are mixed as the pro choice crowd.

[breemystic]

I want my hard earned money to go to teaching teens who are going to have sex anymore about how to prevent pregnancy.

I want to have the liberty to buy contraception and the morning after pill, which pharmacists and technicians who have beliefs different than mine, refuse to do.

I want people that spend their hard earned money on insurance premiums by choice or are forced to have insurance in a group plan to have abortion coverage.

That's where I want MY MONEY to go. Insult me if you like.

[Mediamessengers]

It's killing a human with a heartbeat. That's a fact.

[egeswender]

Ever notice how pro-lifers are cold-hearted mother f-ers?

[pbmdh]

Wait, did they seriously say hospitals that deny emergency contraception to rape victims were "ethical hospitals".

what.....the.....fuck

[erikasf123]

How many poor starving babies have YOU saved? How many rape victims have you counseled? How many homeless teens have you sheltered? Your lies are just that - LIES. If you really cared about people, you would not be spreading such non-sense!!!

[TheTubeTimeMaster1]

This is satire, right?

[hamrite]

Wonderful, this guy slps in "culture of death" just like that....so discreetly. Prevention should have taken care of you...and just now, the guy just adds, discreetly again "could" about the rise of federal budget, and "would" about a nasty scenario. LIARS, this is tempting to manipulate the crowd again. FUCKING LIARS. Where were you when Bush send thousands Americans overseas, and getting all these soldiers killed.

[BHallBrowser]

Contraception and education are the most effective tools for reducing abortion. I don't know why you are against them.

[dave19941000]

I can't belive some people actualy belive this shit. LoL

[SeeProfileForDetails]

@livin4jesus0225 /watch?v=kUwnMX8ht3U

[evildoctorbluetooth]

Does no-one else see this as propergander? wow americans are stupid.

[HolyknightVader999]

@evildoctorbluetooth Both sides are propaganda.

[stphndxtr]

Heaven forbid we have less low-income children... Moron

[feminismhasadarkside]

Remember to sign the petition

[ultrakool]

planned parenthood and margaret sanger are eugenicists

[mandm4evah]

you catholics talking about Catechisms, I don't care about what is says in there! as I am a christian not a catholic! The person I go to is God, Jesus and the Holy spirit and they are the Only ones I pray to...

oh its simplistic huh? well you're either a. alive or b. dead....go figure?! lol if you think it is too simplistic go talk to God....wait...what is there a culture of half alive or sorta alive.....your either alive or dead! we aren't talking about races,we are talking about life/death

[monicatov]

Obama is a shit

He can not govern and does not quit

and now has associated himself to the oraganized crime

[ClumsyRoot]

This simplistic "Culture of Life" vs. "Culture of Death" dichotomy is insulting.

[segamon]

" I don't sin anymore."

How is that? We are all sinners last time I checked.

[stringanime]

I am pro-life and a Christian, but Chatholicism is the smoke and mirrors of Satanism. on the outside Catholics get to look the part, but on the inside, the man-child-of-God is aborted.

[segamon]

lmao!!! Wow. That's hilarious.

[stringanime]

It's perverted. They love the traditions of man, and have no intention of becoming perfect like Jesus. Yet they use things like pro-life to share "Common Ground."

[segamon]

I need to ask you to do something for me. While being as objective as possible, can you go find a Catechism of the Catholic Church, look up and then read about issues you have against the Church, and then come back to me?

You can find the Catechism at libraries, book stores, and even on the official Vatican website.

We all need to be properly educated regarding other faiths.

I'm Catholic. I don't "love traditions of man." Further, I have every single "intention of become like Jesus."

Thanks!

[stringanime]

I read the bible...over and over and over. There is plenty in there. I don't want to pile on other faiths or the Catechism. I don't want to know Buddhism or Lutheranism or whatever goes by any other name than Christ. I don't want to be under the name of Catholicism to become a good catholic, I want to be under the name of Jesus to be a good Jesus. A little Jesus...A Christian. I don't sin anymore and my doctrine in Christ is performing a good work in me, I wouldn't want to pervert with the pope.

[segamon]

We all have a degree of ignorance in ourselves. You are displaying ignorance in relation to Catholicism.

Being a Catholic is only about being "a little Jesus," a good Christian. If that wasn't the case, I wouldn't be Catholic.

I read the Bible too. I am Catholic also because being a Catholic is supported by the Word.

The Catechism is only a way to understand what the Catholic Church believes (nothing more).

BTW, I don't worship Mary and only God can absolve sins. *gasp!!!* :)

[segamon]

Refer to the following scripture verses for some fun!! Proverbs3:5-6(Trust in God and He will GUIDE you) 1Timothy3:14-15(Church is Foundation of Truth) 2Timothy3:14-17(Scripture? Uh... back then, they only had the Old Test) 2Thess2:15(Sacred Tradition) Matt16:13-19(Peter as the Rock) Rev14:13(Necessity of Works in Salvation) Romans10:14-15(Preachers Need to be SENT) Colassians1:24(Need to Share in Christ's Suffering) Luke1:46-49(Call the Virgin Mary Blessed) Thanks for your time! :)

[kbasing]

@stringanime Congrats, you just sinned. It says in the Bible that judging is a SIN. Therefore, you passing judgement on Catholics (which are CHRISTIANS, indeed they are the ORIGINAL Christianity) and on those seeking sexual knowledge or medical care is a sin. Here's a news flash for you, only Jesus never sinned. It is not possible for a human to stop sinning. Go out and educate yourself. You say you read the Bible but clearly you don't.

[stringanime]

@kbasing Oh OK! Go out and celebrate your cleverness!

[Sirus20x6]

Abortions Goooooood!

[lamb110]

If vegetable oil is made from vegetables, and corn oil is made from corn, then what is baby oil made from? We need these abortions so that strippers can get enough baby oil to make their skin silky smooth.

[hollowpoint84]

More abortions i'm so very hungry nom nom nom

[emerysmith]

does anyone consider the 'financial benefit' of actually having babies instead of aborting them? Come on, we, pre-born and those of us already here, are not only people with individual rights but also with gifts and talents and yes, tax paying abilities. Who thinks by shrinking the number of those born that somehow we will 'afford' life? That is nonsense.  Just from an economic view, those PEOPLE are assets waiting to contribute not just expenses that have no benefit to us. THINK PEOPLE!

[thinker900]

Who cares about the financial benefits? What about a caring and nurturing environment? Children aren't assets!

[thinker900]

Here's an idea...STOP POINTING THE FINGERS!

1) Teach your own children UNCENSORED sex education. Reason: They'll find out with or without you and it may not be to your liking.

2) In combination with 1 tell them the truth out what it takes to take care of a child. Repeat this over and over.

3) Don't force a curfew...why? It would stop them from having sex. It will only serve to slow it down...for about a day.

4) GIVE THEM ALTERNATIVES beside having sex. This doesn't mean keeping them busy. 2bct

[thinker900]

--They'll figure it out and will rebel.

5) If the girl or women does decide to have an abortion "IT'S HER BODY AND HER RIGHT TO DO SO!" It is not the churchs, her parents, the boy that abandoned her, rapist,etc. IT'S hers!

[leslieTS]

NO! its the infallible flying spaghetti monsters child, not hers! Flying spaghetti monster created men and women, therefor is the inapt righteous creator of that child, Praise FSM.

[Coyne1988]

thinker900: If the girl or women does decide to have an abortion "IT'S HER BODY AND HER RIGHT TO DO SO!"

Here's some common sense for you, IT'S NOT HER BODY THAT SHE'S ABORTING! It's the body of another individual, a baby, inside of her womb. You talk about how people should have a right to do what they want with their bodies, what about the baby? Doesn't it have a right not to be torn from the womb and brutally murdered?

[thinker900]

It's her decision, plain and simple. She is going to be the one to give birth. She (if she decides to) has to suffer giving her child to the state. She(if she decides to)will have to sacrific her life to raise that child BY HER SELF. She'll also be the one that will regret years later having given up her child. She'll be the one who is reminded each time of the rapist as she gazes into her child's eye's. She'll have to make the decision on rather one or both will die during birth. NOT YOU!

[Coyne1988]

"She'll be the one who is reminded each time of the rapist as she gazes into her child's eye's."

Can u name a specific time when that has happened, that a woman who keeps a baby she conceived as a result of rape will be tramatized as a result? If she dont wanna get pregnant then don't have sex, it's that smple. Your problem is that you are a wicked individual and you making the woman out to be the victim in carrying the child wont cut it.

[thinker900]

Cont: And aren't you being a bit idiotic. Do you not know what RAPE is? Well, let me give you a clue moron...it's when sex in forced upon another(usually a women). So, where in that definition does it say that it is voluntary between to consenting individuals. THAT'S RIGHT IT DOESN'T! You insensitive prick! Wicked...that's a first, but despite your judgment of my character the truth is that there is a lot more to abortion then just "killing" an ovum. Again that decision is not yours ...

[Coyne1988]

yes I know what rape is, I'm not that stupid. And in case i havenot yet said it before, in the case of rape punish the rapist not the baby and if the justice dept. wont do anything about the rapist cuz they turn a blind eyue or something like that, then dont rest until the rapist is brought to justice. And if it's troubling for the mother to keep the baby, again, there's adoption, if adoption were bad(it's not), it wopuld be a lesser evil compared to abortion.

[thinker900]

So, listen here you dumb PARTIAL ABORTION BRAINWASHED ASSHOLE! There is more to Abortion than just PARTIAL ABORTION like you've been brainwashed into believing. An abortion can happen before the 3 days of conception i.e.( RU486). When the ovum is still a single cell. Oh, but I forgot... to you life begins at conception. That a something without a body or nervous system is more important that the life it will impact.

[thinker900]

My mother! She keep me even when she knew the rapist( her foster father). She gave up going to college to move away from that man. She never told me, but I could tell the difference in her expression. She tried to love me as best she could. And there are a multitude of mother's that have cold heartedly killed their children after having given birth. For example in 1994 Illinois resident took her 6th old child and chopped them up, dipped it in battery acid, and feed it to her dog.

[Coyne1988]

If it's cold-hearted to kill a child after birth, why is it not cold-hearted to kill the child before birth? There's always adoption too.

[thinker900]

Because it's a fully developed individual outside the womb. Just to make this clearer for you. I don't condone PARTIAL ABORTION ( abortion given when the fetus is fully developed 5thwk-6months after conception). I do,however, condone abortion when it is early (1st 3 days to about a wk). That is if, one the would be mother was RAPED(forced sex), and two the likelihood of one or both having to die during birth. I disagree with people whom use ...

[Coyne1988]

you are aware there are people who have been born who werent fully developed, right? Like born with missing body parts or born with some mental type problem, cases like that? Should we go kill those people?

[thinker900]

--it as a means of birth control,to which I think your implying. However, I think you generalizing all that have an abortion are using the method strictly for the purpose mentioned earlier. You are mistaken if you think that. And with all this talk of the child's future...what of the would be mother? Does she or is she just there to produce babies and shut up? That's right, she should give birth regardless of her health or financial situation. Now it all makes sense.

[EuphemiseThis]

Even though I consider myself strongly anti-abortion, and can't help but see serious flaws in the logic many pro-abortion supporters use to back mid to late term abortion, I am in agreement of most of what you are saying.

There is a window where the fetus is not attached to the wall or infused with blood making it. Also a woman who really was raped, rape kit, or witness, or past history supporting this find,  did not choose unprotected sex. cont....

[EuphemiseThis]

Further, ordering a woman to carry a child to term even after a second opinion telling her it would kill her would be a death sentence, and carrying a still born to term would be foolish.

What I must point out is that, according to which study you choose, only about 2%-5% of abortion are for serious threat of death to the mother, rape, incest, or a still birth.

This leaves 95%-98% of the millions of abortions as just a means of birth control

oh meant to say "blood making it not yet alive"

[thinker900]

first part: Same here. However, there are more things to worry about medically that can cause death to either mother, child or both than just having a stillborn. And in each study it will tell "of the cases reported" only 2-5% of abortion are for health related reasons, rape,etc. Or did you mean to leave that out. Regardless of the flawed(or skimmed) statistics you bought up, it does happen. So, the question is...should others be given the right chose for women in the situation you described?

[thinker900]

I don't feel or think it is right for anyone other than the would be mother to make decisions on what should be kept within her. Given those circumstances we discussed earlier. As for you "research" that can totally be debunked (especially, the 95-98%...a true sign of improper use of statistics) to 2 ways. 1) if every single rape victim reported their cases present and past.

2) All OBGYN DR's reported all cases of risky pregnancies within the last 30 years...

[thinker900]

Your just making my point stronger. How is attachment make it fully developed? The same thing happens during monthly PMS. An unfertilized ovum attaches itself to the the uterine wall and is ABORTED naturally if not fertilized. KU489 pill just hastens this process, but it is used to aborted the single cell fetus. Another thing you can't put a RAPE VICTIM in the same category as one that had sex in the heat of the moment. Why do you morons always over generalize?

[EuphemiseThis]

I did not mean to imply that having astill born was the cause of likely death for the mother, but that it would be a legitamate reason to abort even in the absence of threat of death to the mother. sorry for the confusion

I pointed out there have been numerous surveys that agree that at least 95% were done as birth control. There was no need to skim.

I put rape into a separate category saying that would be an exception! (but that it ought to be backed up by some evidence)

[EuphemiseThis]

I am not calling at all for rape victims to be forced not to abort, that is very different than people who chose to have unprotected sex and then demanded an abortion when there was a pregnancy.

Also, I was agreeing with you that morning after pills or abortion within the first few days after sex would stop the zygote from implanting, preventing it from being flushed with blood. Legally, and to a point biblically, conception would not have yet occured.

[EuphemiseThis]

Finally, I am sure that the complaint can be used with most statistical samples that not every single person out there was asked or not every single person would tell the truth.

However I don't exactly see any surveys out there debunking these numbers and showing a recorded majority of pregnancies ended because of doctor's diagnosis that the mother would die, the child would be dead, or there was rape involved. I mean combining those exceptions, they together would still be far outweighed.

[thinker900]

Based on how many studies? From who? Give me all the studies you came up with? Until then I will only consider you a poor reader of statistics. I have no doubt that perhaps a large number of people are using Abortion as means of birth control, but that 95% you gave is an extreme exaggeration. People tend to use it when they're point doesn't hold water.

[EuphemiseThis]

the studies I had previously seen were mostly or all done by the Guttmacher Institute, which is a research affiliate of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. Guttmacher Institute is linked to on Planned Parenthood's site.

Planned Parenthood is NOT what I would critique as anti-abortion or pro-life.

Looking just today, Guttmacher says more than one reason is often given. the results are

3/4 say they can't afford baby, 3/4 say baby interferes with school, 1/2 say they are unmarried

[EuphemiseThis]

that would be enough of a vast majority as it is, but there is more to it. These stats don't add together all these social reasons, i.e. convenience, i.e. not medically related.

according to

L.B. Finer et al., "Reasons U.S. Women Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives," Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, 37 (2005):110-118

published on web by Guttmacher, only 8% had health or medical concerns regarding baby or mother. Remaining 92% was for convenience reasons.

[EuphemiseThis]

obviously, many pro-choice websites may mix the figures as they wish to make the numbers come out even higher, or it may be higher on different years, but here is Planned Parenthood Federation's associate Guttmacher institute confirming that most women give varying social reasons, then the institute used this reference on the web detailing the reasons and only managing to compile 8% as medical reasons.

That is the best even PP's research partner could come up with to validate abortion.

[thinker900]

Oh, nothing says "I have no real argument" like saying "Pro-choice wants the number to go high." Does it have to come to down to demonization? Pro-choice(like myself) do NOT want any of the numbers to increase! We simply want the choice to be left to women to decide and not be persecuted for it. We wouldn't mind at all if there were other alternatives outside of giving up the baby for adoption...especially with the current system. Name calling isn't really supporting your point either.

[thinker900]

Also, people will also want to have a child in the best circumstances and with the person they will spend their lives with. That only makes sense. I've read his critque and researched him. He's a like minded person so, I count him irrelevant. Because it is obvious that he has his own bias against abortion. As I said time and again, it still isn't anyone's choice except for that would be mother. It is her body(including the fetus wthin it) to decide on what is or is not right . NOT US!

[thinker900]

cont: So, really you haven't prove anything except that you know how to take a statistic and read only given info. Good job there Sherlock. My opinion still stands. It is that individual women's choice or rather her right to decide on having an abortion. Rather it is early(ok), partial(bad), or using it as birth control( also bad). And besides if you people were truly pro-life than why is it okay to execute Dr. Till while he prayed to the lord inside a church. PRO-CHOICE!!!

[EuphemiseThis]

I replied to this before, but crummy connection did not post.

you admit that partial and use as birth control are bad. If they are bad, then they should not be encouraged or condoned. Further, since this is ending a life, then they are "bad" enough to be made illegal and not tolerated.

Planned Parenthood's own stats show that the vast majority are for convenience reasons, not medical ones. = birth control

Tiller's death bothers me as much as any serial killer being executed, not much.

[thinker900]

Wrong!, I say that Partial Abortion is wrong because it really makes no sense to abort the child so late in the game. The fetus is too far on it's way to being human. If there are no health concerns than said mother should try to carry it to term. BUT!, rather I think it is wrong doesn't matter...it is her choice to murder. Yes, partial abortion(only) should be made illegal with some exceptions. If that is your opinion of Dr. Tiller then you might as well not call yourself Pro-Life.

[EuphemiseThis]

it is any killer's choice to murder. It is societies choice what to do about it.

[thinker900]

How can society(speaking about Pro-Lifers) do anything about "murder" if they themselves condone it or will commit it? It's kind of stupid to complain about the "killing" of life, but when it suits your cause it's a okay. For, a fellow christian your really half-assed.

[EuphemiseThis]

The police already found, arrested, and tried a suspect for Tiller's murder. Did you not know that? So I would say that society is finding, arresting, charging, and soon enough punishing the murderer. I guess you ask an obvious question and you get an obvious answer.

and he wasn't just doing his job. He was willing to provide even the most controversial abortions. He even did so when it broke the law.

His death was not the best outcome, but I feel toward him as an executed murderer.

[thinker900]

1st "The customer is always right!" What I mean is that the women who had the abortions are no more innocent then the person with the tools to do it. They wanted the abortions for whatever reason and he provided that service. Did it ever occur to you that he may not have agreed 100% with the controversial(whatever that means)abortions?

[EuphemiseThis]

I certainly don't think the women were doing the right thing. i think they were asking for something, that at times, they must have also have been aware was illegal or abusive.

The customer is always right attitude doesn't exactly apply when they ask you to do something you know is illegal or wrong. Tiller was the professional, and these women came to him because they knew he would do it no matter what.

I don't condone his death, i'm just not outraged that he was killed.

[thinker900]

Illegal? Perhaps in some cases, but that doesn't speak for the rest of the cases of abortion. For the most part abortion is a legal practice(written in black and white)that is protected by law. So, your solution is to just blame him for it. He did what the patient wanted...he did ask why or put his personal feelings about it. He also kept patient confidentiality as does every good doctor should. And YES I think you should be outraged if you call yourself respecting ALL life.

[thinker900]

And let's get something straight here, I've never twisted a single word you typed. Also, I read every letter of the comments you sent. I took what you told me and wrote what I felt and what I felt is that your logic has multiple flaws. I felt you are disregarding a women rights to chose what happens with her womb with that of a single celled fetus(early term pregnancy). I made you see something you didn't want to know about yourself and now you want to lash out and tell me I'm twisting words.

[thinker900]

All seem like loathy reasons to a person that is anti-abortion. We who look at the bigger picture. Would you have a child if you couldn't afford it? Would you want to struggle in school? And why should a child only have one parent? It all boils down to this...people have to think wisely before having sex of any kind. Unfortunately, we're human and are bound to sin. So, that means that sex will happen and unwanted pregnancies will occur regardless.

[EuphemiseThis]

Dude, you are totally ignoring the fact that even Planned Parenthood's research associate could only come up with a figure of 8% for medical issue related abortions.

Even the pro-choice sources leave 92% of abortions as a matter of convenience.

You accused me of using pro-life sources that exaggerated the percentage of abortion that was a matter of convenience, I just gave you pro-choice sources that said the same thing!

I proved you wrong with Planned Parenthood's preferred source!!!!!

[EuphemiseThis]

Also, I don't think that the child should have to pay for the parent's bad choices, or their sin, or whatever, by being executed.

I already gave plenty of proof in the form of induced early pregnancies that shows that this wiggling, moving person with human DNA, brainwaves, heartbeat, response to light, and all structures necessary to live as a human outside the womb can do so even months premature.

You backed up to what we already discussed because you have nowhere else to go.

[thinker900]

cont: will end the life or future of that would be mother. Not everyone is willing to just give up their offspring nor is anyone going to consider waiting until marriage to have sex, though there have been a few. THAT IS REALITY!

[EuphemiseThis]

Speaking as a scientist who will graduate with a M.S. degree in Chemistry in two months, I find it hard to believe that your attitude of just ignoring the evidence that doesn't suit you, which in your case is ALL the evidence, will get you anywhere in medical science or any other scientific field.

You have ignored the studies that even your pro-choice groups endorse.

[EuphemiseThis]

As for the RU-486, pill, its use is different than the usual morning after pill. With the morning after pill, ovulation is delayed, delaying the release of the embryo from the ovary, and the attachment of the egg to the wall is prevented. This attachment is legally considered conception and is when the embryo is infused with blood.

With morning after applications, conception is usually prevented, both from a legal standpoint and to some interpretations a religious standpoint.

[EuphemiseThis]

When RU-486 is used after implantation, then it causes the release of the embryo from the wall, ending pregnancy after conception. This is done by competitive inhibition of progesterone to a receptor responsible for setting off events leading to the wall being able to accept and hold the embryo.

Use of ru-486 in this way purposefully ends the pregnancy after conception from a legal and biblical standpoint, and it does so with intent. Morally, it does the same as abortion

[thinker900]

cont: There should be no segregation between a grown man, animal, or unborn child when it comes to life. A true Pro-Lifer would cherish ALL life. It shouldn't matter what religious faith that person was(he was Christian), Race, financial background or profession. It amazes me that so called Chirstian follow the bible only when it suits you needs. That you would condone or kill another. What about" thou shalt not kill?" It simply amazing and you wonder why people drift away from our faith.

[EuphemiseThis]

There should be no segregation between a grown man, animal, or unborn child when it comes to life.

I agree, though an animal is not human, yet I have trouble feeling that the death of a murderer is any great loss compared to the death of an innocent.

Even so it would have been a far better outcome, if, with time, Tiller had realized the error of his ways and publicly announced that, then dedicated his time to stopping anymore damage from being done by abortion.

at least he can't kill anymore

[thinker900]

The guy was only doing his job! The person you should be calling a quote "murderer" is the person that has the Abortion. Like I said earlier "regardless of profession." Noone , not even those claiming to be Pro-life has the right to kill another human　being. People who agree that that course of action is relevant are not true Pro-lifers. As for Dr. Tiller...I guess we'll never know now will we, because a certain group claiming to cherish life will take a life. And in a church no less.

[thinker900]

So your saying that it's perfectly OK to kill as long as it serves your "righteous" cause. I see that "thou shalt not kill" means nothing to you. Are you even Christian? To me a person that condones killing another human being for differneces in opinion is just as psycho as the person pulling the trigger. I'm beggining to think you'd do something that horrid if you had the chance.

[thinker900]

Yes, I keep up with the news. But the battle is far from over with so called Pro-life extremist. as I said before I think you could very well be on your way from your tone.

[EuphemiseThis]

Did you not notice how society has indeed taken steps to deal with this murderer?

and no, I'm not saying "it's perfectly ok to kill as long as"... anything. I'm just saying that, even though it was not the best option, it did prevent the murder of many innocent people at his hands, and that I am not grieved much by his passing.

[EuphemiseThis]

it seems like you do alot of selective reading and twisting of words just from what I have seen here, Thinker900

[thinker900]

P2: Isn't that what a true Pro-lifer is? Or is it just a catch phrase you people use at your earliest convenience? Reading your past and present comments I can only assume that your only a Part-time or FAKE Pro-lifer. Part-time doesn't cut it. On the other hand though, the KILLER was one of you. So, if your not outraged about that fact then most likely you do condone Tiller's Death deep inside.

[thinker900]

"I'm just saying that, even though it was not the best option, it did prevent the murder of innocent people at his hands," <--- That sounds to me like you are justifying the murder. Sacrifice one to save the whole type of mentality. Ironically, that is the reason some women decide to have the abortion too. Only this time it's not don't in the temple of the lord while praying. I fail to understand how you can actually demonize another for killing when you condone it as well.

[EuphemiseThis]

also, and I can't believe I didn't remember to mention this again, but "not everyone is willing to give up their offspring?" Ahem, if they are willing to abort their offspring then yes, they are indeed willing to give them up. just saying....

[thinker900]

Correction, people aren't always willing to give up their offspring to the(state). The state system is unfair to those that may want to have their child back after whatever situation is resolved. There is basicly no second chance once the child is adopted. It is also close to impossible for the children that find out that they were indeed adopted to seek the birth parent or parents. For let's say a genetic disease or donor. That's what I meant.

[thinker900]

Then give me the sites you got this from and let me judge for myself. Even if they are exactly as you report(which I doubt) the patient in question would have to give permission to release that information. So, you have to ask yourself, How many women are willing to do that? I bet that it would be very many. Then you'd have to ask yourself, how many were chosen/volunteered for this study? What is the background of the people conducting the study? etc.

[EuphemiseThis]

sigh.... you can find the info with about 5 minutes on google and youtube doesn't exactly post sites well.

Not only that, but I gave you the exact paper that was published on web by guttmacher, that was used as reference by planned parenthood.

You said I couldn't find pro-choice sources that said non-medical reasons made up so much of the abortions, I proved you wrong, so stop lying that I am changing them or skimming them or choosing only pro-life sources.

[EuphemiseThis]

It is obvious as well that even though you define mid-late term abortion or partial birth abortion as bad, you are fine with it being legal and condoned.

I feel that if something is so wrong, then we shouldn't be supporting it or endorsing it.

It is also obvious you care nothing for all the scientific evidence showing that the baby is alive and can survive outside the womb, i.e. not a parasite, even if removed early.

In short, you are ignoring all the facts to invent your own reality.

[EuphemiseThis]

Oh, and it is not as though all the pro-life people are partying that Tiller was murdered, it is just that I don't exactly feel bad about it. I certainly wouldn't expect to feel bad if an admitted serial killer was killed either. It certainly doesn't keep me up at night when guilty murderers meet their end.

[thinker900]

Oh, and to expand on you quote that I didn't care for scientific evidence. That is a butch of bull, my career involves nothing more or less than medical science. Studies and medical research prove that RU-486( Abortion pill) does create a "natural" abortion. Speaking of natural abortions, are women that have them considered murderers too? And No, my friend I don't live outside of reality. You are, because your not thinking of how that bundle of cell will effect the mother's life or if it...

[thinker900]

rape and non-reported rape. So in other words, if you don't know and understand all the demographics of that and other studies than it becomes useless. Once again, I still feel that it is the individual women right to decide on abortion. Especially, if health reasons or rape. The only other person that has a right to know or help in her decision is the father of that would be child. Even then he would also have to carry the burden of the two extremes as well.

[thinker900]

It's true that you can't put web sites on the comment section. Why don't you mail them to me on youtube? And that isn't what I said...I said that I feel that those stats are greatly exaggerated by you. I also, mentioned that if true then your not looking at all exspects of the study. For instance, how many women were in the study,what economic background did they have, ethnicity, who volunteered their medical information, how many lied. Then you have to check another statistics on reported...

[thinker900]

So, you can surface read "real" statistics or use bias one's, but it still doesn't change that it's a women's decision in the end. That we have to respect that women's right . Yes, it is her right.

[thinker900]

--However, that would involve some serious issues with patient confidentiality and their license will be taken.

[thinker900]

That is an extremely ignorant question. No, or course not! The type of abortion I speak of is one that happens during the time that one cell(ovum) starts to go through mitosis(Day 1-7). Not one that has a fish like body(21/2-4wk). Not the one that is done when limbs are to be seen(4-10wk),etc. And another thing, don't confuse a trimester with days of the week. If you are confused, you might want to invest more time studying about the pregnancy in dept. This is getting easier and easier.

[JMMoosey]

No one can afford this. People are losing their jobs and homes while Planned Parenthood keeps getting increases in government funding. These are same liberals who whine about oil companies making excessive profits. There's always been hypocrisy in the abortion industry.

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@JMMoosey /watch?v=kUwnMX8ht3U

[nohealthcare62]

Just like Kucinich said about HR676 Universal health Care would make abortions un-nessary ! Obama Lied to get elected No End to Iraq and No Health Care No change just more LIES and Cover Ups !

[thinker900]

Then leave.