George Bernard Shaw on Socialist Mass Murder Adolph Hitler.

[rgaleny]

It's a race between education and catastrophe. Progress, Positivism, Pragmatism, Social Utilitarianism, push against the forces of greed and poverty and ignorance. But People who don't care about the Liberties of others except in speeches DON'T CARE!! The rules are3 there for a reason. But, there is nothing that man can make well that other men can't twist to evil.

[rgaleny]

The desert has dried up more blood than you can think of. The old regime was famous for it's tortures and hangings. The laws that protect individuals come from the 18th century. Why are you surprised that we would have to fight to install them? Europe was not a republic. The right were still in the habit of aristocracy. The robber barons wanted status as soon as they got rich. It's all about power then. The left as usual was not smart or organized. Women still couldn't vote. It's a mess.

[DaHonestAbe]

God the stupidity of right wingers is endless.

[FredBarney200]

@DaHonestAbe

And the ignorance of the left is astounding.

[DaHonestAbe]

@FredBarney200 Sure buddy, sure. Lol.

[giirving]

Well, not exactly. I mean, Shaw said tons of outrageous things that he didn't believe at all.  It's hard to know when he is absolutely serious and when he is provoking people ala Jonathan Swift who really didn't want you to eat a baby. The poison gas line is inexcusable even as satire.

[theyounghistorian77]

@giirving (1)

Indeed it is. The stuff about Shaw here is really little more than a "Genetic fallacy". Seeing as the Kaiser advocated gassing Jews what are we to make of that? And also what the film will never tell you is that the Right wing supported Hitler at least as much and perhaps even more so then what the Left did. Tory peer Lord Londonderry in the UK [as documented by Ian Kershaw] for example and oh there was the aforementioned Kaiser too!

[FredBarney200]

@theyounghistorian77

Young *historian*? Oh brother. Then read some history. The right did not support Hitler more than the left did, or even as much. Nazism competed with communism for the same constituents, which is why Hitler hated communists. Communists, Fascists, Socialists, and Nazis all wanted the support of the same people. Communists successfully smeared Fascism as some kind of opposite philosophy so that potential supporters of theirs would not be lost to Fascism.

[DaHonestAbe]

@FredBarney200 Based on this comment, it would look like you some reading to do. Ya know, from actual historians.

[theyounghistorian77]

@FredBarney200 (1)

Oh be serious! There were plenty of Right Wingers who were enthusatic about the Nazis. Ever heard of Tory Peer Charles Vane-Tempest-Stewart, 7th Marquess of Londonderry before i brought him up? I've already mentioned Ian Kershaw who has fully documented him in his book "Making friends with Hitler", a book which im just about to throw at your face Haha. And Londonderry was far from alone!

[theyounghistorian77]

@FredBarney200 (2)

Both in the House of Lords and even in the Conservative Party, Londonderry's "fellow travellers of the right" included but were not limited to the likes of Walter Montagu Douglas Scott, the 8th Duke of Buccleuch. Harold Harmsworth, 1st Viscount Rothermere. Hugh Richard Grosvenor, 2nd Duke of Westminster and (Arthur) Ronald Nall-Cain, 2nd Baron Brocket.

[MrReco12]

@theyounghistorian77

"The left supporter Hitler" (0:16)

"The left in general fundamentally opposed Nazism" (2:16)

This is a laughable documentary that clearly shouldn't be taking seriously.



[theyounghistorian77]

@MrReco12

"The whole of the French upper and middle classes - the right, if you like - preferred the idea of the Germans to their own Communists and i think you can call that a very powerful fifth column, and it was worked to death by the Germans" - Major General Sir Edward Spears, Conservative MP and Churchill's personal representative in France. Quoted in Richard Holmes (ed) "The World at War: The Landmark Oral history from the Classic TV series", p97.

what do you think about that one?

[theyounghistorian77]

@FredBarney200 (3)

Deny it all you want but these men were all Conservative peers and all had pro-Hitler/Pro-German outlooks. Now yes there were other peers from other parties in the HoL who also took up pro-German positions for various reasons, but special mentions have to be made for the Right Wing peers William Forbes-Sempill, 19th Lord Sempill. Patrick Boyle, 8th Earl of Glasgow and the infamous David Freeman-Mitford, 2nd Baron Redesdale.

[theyounghistorian77]

@FredBarney200 (4)

"The most penetrating criticism of the Hitler regime would regularly come from the Manchester Guardian, a liberal, provincial newspaper with a small circulation of some 25-50000 but possessing influence in liberal-Left circles that bore no relation to these figures, a reputation for preach[ing] enlightenment to the enlightened, and outstanding European correspondents who were uncompromising in their hostility towards Nazism ." - Ian Kershaw, "op. Cit", p28

[theyounghistorian77]

@FredBarney200 (5)

"Not dissimilar [to the Guardian] was the verdict of the Observer, that Hitler was 'dramatic, violent, and shallow', a 'ranting fool' amounting to little more than a ' megaphone' of the widespread discontent.

[theyounghistorian77]

@FredBarney200 (6)

The [London] Times thought it was difficult to know what the Nazi party wanted, apart from making Germany Strong again, but was optimistic that Hitler would guide his revolutionary spirit into 'useful channels'." - Kerhsaw, "ibid", p28-29.

And if you're wondering the Right Wing Daily Mail was "sympathetic" to Hitler - ibid, p29.

[theyounghistorian77]

@FredBarney200 (7)

"In the early years of Hitler's rule, the most pro-German daily newspaper in Britain with a national readership was the Daily Mail, whose circulation each day was over 1.5 million.

[theyounghistorian77]

@FredBarney200 (8)

Regular readers of a newspaper that repeatedly expressed it's admiration for Hitler were at least potential supporters of a more active attempt to court German friendship [...] In addition such views had at least some following on the political right including from the quality press [The London Times and Daily Telegraph] - Kershaw, "ibid", p51.

[theyounghistorian77]

@FredBarney200 (9)

"Among Conservative party supporters, who in the 1930's greatly outnumbered the adherents of the diminished liberal party and [the] broken Labour Party, backing for at least some facets of Nazi rule - Authority, Order, Strong-leadership, Anti-Communism - was widespread." - Kershaw, "ibid", p52.

[theyounghistorian77]

@FredBarney200 (10)

So my point about still stands, Certainly in the land of George Bernard Shaw, the Right Wing did support Hitler as least as much and perhaps more than what this film claims the left did. Besides which the film shots its own and your theory to some extent when it also claims "It must be said that Bernard shaw, as well as the left in general fundamentally opposed Nazism..."

[theyounghistorian77]

@FredBarney200 (11)

And the rest of your comment reads like a conspiricy theory, well where to begin? That it ignores all serious scholarship into Nazi Germany for a start, and that the popularism each you mentioned espoused was for different goals, or that various German Conservatives had tried popularist rhetoric to lure the masses into Pan-German/Nationalist causes well before Drexler and Hitler tried so?

[theyounghistorian77]

@FredBarney200 (12)

"Fascist regimes functioned like an epoxy: an amalgam of two very different agents, fascist dynamism and conservative order, bonded by shared enmity toward liberalism and the Left, and a shared willingness to stop at nothing to destroy their common enemies." - Robert O. Paxton. "The Anatomy of Fascism", p147.

So what they did was to combine Right Wing ideas with populist energy!

[theyounghistorian77]

@FredBarney200 (13)

"The Nazis continued to be a catch-all party of social protest, with particularly strong support from the middle classes, and the relatively weak support from in the traditional industrial working class" - Richard Evans, "The Coming of the Third Reich", p295.

Sorry for you, the case remains:

"Hitler was never a socialist" - Ian Kershaw, "Hubris", p448.

[MrReco12]

@FredBarney200

Epic fail.

"Now Germany is against the power of evil incarnated in the Anglo-Saxon/Soviet coalition managed by the Jews." - Luis Blanco telegram to Francisco Franco after the USA teamed with the USSR"

[theyounghistorian77]

@giirving (2)

"He [Wilhelm II] called for a 'regular international all-worlds progrom à la Russe' as 'the best cure [to get rid of jews]'. 'Jews and mosquitoes' were [in his words] 'a nuisence that humanity must get rid of in some way or other,' he proclaimed, and added again in his own hand: 'i believe the best would be Gas!'" - John C. G. Röhl, "The Kaiser and his court: Wilhelm II and the government of Germany", p211.

[FredBarney200]

@giirving

Shaw was a Fabian Socialist. He meant pretty much everything he said. He did not write satired. Like many progressives of the day, he favored eugenics.

[MrReco12]

@FredBarney200

Churchill was a supporter of eugenics. 

[moremanthannmachine]

The ideal of the Socialist state is described in 1984 by George Orwell. Read it and see if you don't see the glaring similarities to that world and the one we have today. The Socialist revolution is ongoing and its global. Enslavement makes more sense than extermination, so just enslave the third world. And if you aren't sure what to do with a country give them they're freedom and install a ruthless dictator to keep the people divided, scared, ignorant, and completely powerless.

[MrReco12]

@moremanthannmachine

Orwell said he Nazism was a Form of German Capitalism.

He of course was a self described socialist who fought against Hitler and Franco in the Spainsh civl war!

[montecarlomick]

how the fuck was hitler socialist, he hated them, he murdered them, paraded them through the streets, he invaded the soviet union and failed.

BTW Karl Marx was Jewish.

don't blame socialism for all of Americas problems, blame yourselves.



[Scorpitarios]

@montecarlomick Stalin exterminated trotzkyists, just as Hitler exterminated marxists and Enver Hoxa exterminated titoists. It's a simple fraction war with each side believing to have the true ideology and the other side being heretics by getting the core ideology wrong. The same thing is prevalent with religions: catholics vs orthodox christians; sunni muslims vs shiite muslims, etc...

I agree with your last sentence though.

[RedwoodTheElf]

Of Course Hitler was a socialist. So was Stalin (USSR Stands for Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics, you stupid gits!) Communism and Hitler's Fascism are two branches of the same corrupt socialist tree.

Get it through your skulls, you liberals: Socialism is a BAD IDEA. It doesn't work, Period. The US has been dawdling down the Socialist road since Woodrow Wilson, while other countyries have RUN down that road, and found out it leads to a bad end. Heed their warnings and turn around.

[MrReco12]

@RedwoodTheElf

Yet, Simon Wiestefencal, a man who personally dealt with the Nazis, was one of the first to call the Nazis RIGHTWING!

And he was correct!

[RedwoodTheElf]

@MrReco12

So a socialst says the nazis were Right wing, and that automatically makes them correct?

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

[RedwoodTheElf]

And an incredibly obscure one, since the name "Simon Wiestefencal" doesn't result in any hits at all. If his opinion is one you're going to use to justify your slavish belief in the "nazis were right wing" lie, he should at least show up on a search SOMEWHERE.

[RedwoodTheElf]

That, or you're just a terrible speller, and you're trying to spell the name of a noted nazi hunter, who, as far as I've ever heard, never made any particular statements about the politics of the nazis, other than to hunt them down.

Seriously, you need to stop getting your history from Monty Python skits. Their "Hilter" skit is the most notable reference to "Mister Hilter" as a "Conservative Candidate" - but then what would you expect from Python?

[MrReco12]

@RedwoodTheElf Idiot. He spoke about the Nazis politics many times: Indeed, his center lists one of their tasks as "monitoring right wing extremist groups." Look at the centers website you idiot. The Nazis have always been referred to as Right wing. - Social Darwinism - anti communist/Marxism -Pro capitalist policies: Hitler's regime was the first to privatize large sectors of the economy. - pro big business Moron..... Do you also think North Korea is democratic?

[MrReco12]

@RedwoodTheElf

Tell me why did the facists in the republican party supported the Nazi augusto PInochet's overthrow of the democratically elected government of Chilie?

Conservatives have always sympathized with fascism. From HItler,Mussolini, Franco,Horthy and Batisita, the conservatives have always admired anti communist mass murderers.

[zedwid3000]

This doesn't change the fact that many European right -wingers supported the same policies as Hitler. The destruction and rejection of the weak and the parasites is a hallowed republican principle. Look at how they reject universal health care and welfare reform among other things.

[41224jason]

people. Nazi means "national socialist". that's the party that hitler ran on, and if you look at the actual actions hitler took, it matches up. there is nothing right-wing about hitler, whatsoever.

Yes, he was against the soviets but only because he wanted Russia to be flying a german flag as well. Remember, he originally signed a treaty with Stalin before WWII. the Germans and Russians hated each other much like the French and British did in the 1700's, though their governments were similar

[MrReco12]

@41224jason

What?

Hitler privatized the economy, attacked the USSR, mass murdered communists and gave tax cuts for the middle class etc.

He was the great conservative hero!

[urbanist7]

@caspergee: You are an utterly ignorant rat! Have you ever studied history? Have you ever studied political theory?

First, the German Social Democratic Party (the only german member of the Socialist International) was the ONLY party in Germany to vote against giving Hitler and the Nazis power. The conservative parties in germany (e.g., Franz von Papen's party) all supported Hitler. Social Democrat leaders (e.g., Ludwig Marum) were sent to the concentration camps.

[urbanist7]

@ CasperCee

Second, if you knew anything about political theory, you'd know that liberalism is completely different from socialism. Liberalism is the notion that the free market will result in the most efficient allocation of resources, and (implicitly) that the market allocation is "fair". Socialism is the notion that government control of the economy is neccessary to keep the market from crushing ordinary people. They are both economic (rather than political) systems.

[urbanist7]

How ignorant can you get! Adolf hitler was actually an anti-socialist! He first became involved with the "National Socialist" party when spying on it for the Conservative government of Germany. He first wanted to shut it down because he thought (based on the name) that it might be socialist. However, when he found out they were actually ultra-conservatives - he actually decided to join. See Stackelberg, Roderick (2007), The Routledge companion to Nazi Germany, New York, NY: Routledge, p.9

[CasperCee]

@urbanist7 Hitler called himself a socialist and was influenced by Marx and Engels... the liberal heroes.

[Burzorg33]

Whole Soviet Story documentary can be found here:

mefeedia.com/watch/28771192

[golfrick007]

I think with him in charge we do not need jails!

[shirleystemple]

Well, shame on shaw.

Schade.

[railadvocate]

Zyklon B could not be used for homocidal gassing. Hydrogen Cyanide, at lethal concentration is explosive, corrosive... That is why a specially engineered "chamber" is built for gassing...and those units are small... and still the process is tedious. Well, carry on with your brainwashing..

[DIOPJR]

Wow, what drivel. It is true that the Fabians- like American progressives responsible for many of the social and political reforms we hold dear today- were wooed by eugenics theory; but at no point was Hitler ever a convinced socialist, let alone a Marxist ("socialism" was a byword whose attractiveness for the proletariat was recognized by the NSDAP's bourgeois sponsors), and there's no theoretical connection b/w Fabianism and mass murder- or Marxism, for that matter. Nice try though.

[glorifiedthinker86]

This video is filled with absolutely offensive and utter nonsense. I can't understand how people can believe this vicious propaganda against one of the smartest men to have ever lived. To say he praised Hitler is simply not true. The man was a reformist socialist who believed in the ideas of Karl Marx, which is the exact opposite of Fascism. This video is filled with so many lies, it's hard to believe anyone takes it seriously. It's simply radical right wing propaganda. Everything is distorted.

[helpermethod]

Even if he didn't praise Hitler, he praised that killing people was good.

[thevisamaster]

@helpermethod Oh GOD!!! IT WAS A SATIRE MY FRIEND!!! It is like a schoolmate who praises you but in fact he is taking a piss at you.. in FRONT OF YOUR FRIENDS!!Whoever gets the punchline is gonna distroy your dignity. What I suggest is to actually READ and STUDY the commentries of Shaw then you would realise that he is actually that guy who winks to the other friends when he is telling you a story... Mate... CATCH THAT WINK!!

[FredBarney200]

@thevisamaster

If you think what Shaw said was satire, you don't know as much about Shaw as you think you do. He was a Fabian Socialist. What do you think his play "Man and Superman" is about? If you think Shaw meant it strictly as a comedy, then you *really* don't know much about Shaw.

[ahphosting]

troll

[stater68]

George was an evil man.

[badgeless]

@stater68

You don't get it. Satire. Shaw is making fun of people like you. Just like Jonathon Swift's proposal to eat babies to solve the problem of babies born to unwed mothers: "As to our city of Dublin, shambles may be appointed for this purpose in the most convenient parts of it, and butchers we may be assured will not be wanting; although I rather recommend buying the children alive, and dressing them hot from the knife, as we do roasting pigs.

You'd call Swift a cannibal?

[angelmist15]

wow, I had no idea about this side of Shaw!!

[billyguns2]

Nothing of any truth or value is taught in our schools; this is deliberate. We are raising a nation of dumbed down, drug addicted, short attention span weaklings. Parents, home school your children! Do not eat anything that comes in a box or carton! Teach your children about LIBERTY and the value of EACH HUMAN LIFE! RESIST THE VAST EVIL THAT IS OVERPOWERING US!

[dezldummi]

if were lucky Obama will use Zyklon B on us, instead of just leaving us to rot as he now.... it would be much more humane than the slow death were experiencing now.... the slow death of America, of Americans..... the spreading of the disease that is infecting the white house

[DIOPJR]

Yes, because it's all too obvious that a regression to the fiscal policies of the New Deal Era would result in our "slow rot". None of Obama's policies are irreversible; there has been no push for an American "Enabling Act". If things are going bad, you can always vote in Palin or some other wing-nut. Look at it this way: if Obama's really chipping away at the private sector that you (probably) believe makes this country so great, why wasn't he able to sustain the public option?

[barbarianopinion]

I know people who idolize Shaw...and they even claim they "know all about history."

It's easy to spot the dimwits, isn't it?

Shaw was just another Malthusian radical nut...all of them dangerous to humans and other living things.