Images of Resistance (Free Ireland! Free Palestine!)

[Goordull]

There is no any "palestine" and "palestinians". 75 % of territories wich named "palestine" is JORDAN. Why nobody talk about that?

Terrorism is not "resistance".

Since 1990 till 2008 arab terrorists killed more than 804 israeli civilians, what kind of "resistance" is this?

[blunt1984]

@Goordull I'll give you a statistic that is only counting 8 years, not even 18 like you did.

Since the outbreak of the second intifada and until operation "Cast Lead" (29.9.2000-26.12.2008) the Israeli security forces killed 2186 Palestinian civilians.

Wouldn't that also be considered terrorism by your definition?

[Goordull]

OMG, you speak about intifada ))))

Do you know what it is? You don't want to live in Israel in time of intifada ))

Intifada is when all arabs of Israel trying to murder jews, everywhere, in any price.

Everyday 2-3 suicide bombings, 3-5 shooting attacks, 5-7 stabbings, stone throwing everywhere etc.

How you consider "civilians"? If someone jumping at you with knife and trying to stab you, is he a civilian?

BTW, in first arab-israeli war arabs killed 2400 civilians, so...

[blunt1984]

@Goordull The 2186 Palestinian civilians are defined as people who did not take part in the hostilities and were killed by Israeli security forces.

The key words are "who did not take part in the hostilities".

[Goordull]

Nah, in wikipedia in russian there is more details.

At all 2683 victims, among them 1542 combatants (palestinian police, terrorists), other people considered as civilians. For example all of them are civilians

watch?v=ba3pe-IcmQw&feature=re­lated

There is plenty of attacks commited by civilian arabs, citizens of Israel who work on israeli jobs, like this one watch?v=2VjJ7zyLfVA

or this watch?v=9SQnnABlpYI

[blunt1984]

@Goordull Actually, the true numbers are as follows: 29.9.2000-26.12.2008 in the Occupied Territories

--4791 Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces.

--2186 Palestinians who did not take part in the hostilities and were killed by Israeli security forces ( not including the objects of targeted killings).

--1726 Palestinians who took part in the hostilities and were killed by Israeli security forces

From B'Tselem-The Israeli Information Center For Human Rights in the Occupied Territories

[Goordull]

Hahahahaha! Betselem is a bunch of leftish fagots israelis + arabs, in all they reports they understate the number of jewish victims and exaggerate the number of arab victims. You can compare their report with report of official groups.

Stop saying "Occupied Territories", it's just enormous ignorance, even UN don't consider it as "occupied territories", it considered as "Disputed territories".

Why? /watch?v=XGYxLWUKwWo

[blunt1984]

@Goordull You are obviously beyond the pale for my arguments to affect your thinking.

Facts don't seem to bother you since you seem to label any organization that comes to different conclusions as "leftish fagots israelis + arabs".

But just so you know, the United Nations Security Council and the International Court of Justice both describe the West Bank and Gaza Strip as "occupied territory" under international law. The Supreme Court of Israel has even ruled that the West Bank is occupied.

[Goordull]

No, any labels, I am just familiar with their activities.

For example Shalom Ahshav (peace now) demand from goverment to not write in the Jerusalem's passports "Israel" but "palestine"... this is just pathology, psychosis...

"The Supreme Court of Israel has even ruled that the West Bank is occupied". You mean BAGATS? wow, they are realy kinda branch of Hamas )))

You saw the video about "west bank"??? BTW, I'm just interested, what do you think about Jordan (75% of palestine)?

[Goordull]

Littlebeat about BAGATS: for example in 2010 a policeman Shahar Mizrahi had shot an arab man after he (arab) stole a car and tried to smash the policeman...

Supreme Court of Israel (Bagats) sentenced him (the policeman) to 2.5 years in prison...

Or in 2009 group of young arabs beaten to death an old man in Tel Aviv's beach, BAGATS blamed them for "manslaughter"...

[blunt1984]

@Goordull I'm done with you.

You are so far-right that you think the Supreme Court of Israel is "kinda like a branch of Hamas".

Don't even try that false "Jordan is Palestine" argument.

Yes, the British Imperialist Mandate Palestine established after WWI included both Jordan and Palestine, but the Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan is NOT historic Palestine.

Palestine is ALL of the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

You are now blocked. Goodbye!

[montpelier42d]

Long live Palestine. Greetings from Ireland.

[scottishlad1987]

scotland is in britain though, it's not separate lands!

[kargwain187]

@scottishlad1987 You can only have a single nationality my friend. I simply ask you to look inside yourself and ask yourself the question,what is yours. It not possible to be from two countries, if you say you are british then you are saying that scotland is not a nation or that you are separate from it. Im Irish , Ireland is in europe, but i would never tell someone im a european citizen. Im Irish, its my land , my blood. Your scottish and you should be proud of it too. I would be !!

[irishcrixus]

tiocfaidh ar la

[killerpass101]

no freedom without sacrifice

[scottishlad1987]

the irish comparing themselves to palestine, what a bunch of drama queens.

[kargwain187]

@scottishlad1987 its ok , you can compare yourself to wales ... ireland and palestine are countries that fight for their freedom .... shouldnt your name be "britishlad1987"

[scottishlad1987]

@kargwain187 scottish, british and proud. we can vote to break up britain, we are equals in the union.

[kargwain187]

@scottishlad1987 Well , im Irish .... Irish Irish ...... you cant be from two lands , are you scottish or british .... dont say both because its not possible ... what do you feel in your heart ...

[MurphyEire32]

Fuck the brits and the Israel's

freedom for Ireland and the Palestinians

[MellTV]

no agression without answer!!

[lilsean123]

If the whole of the UK or the whole of the Republic of Ireland got a vote on the constitutional status of the North of Ireland both would support Irish unity overwhelmingly. As usual a small minority of the people of Ireland get a much bigger influence than they deserve.

[irishtrotsky]

i wanna go to palestine.its a shame nobody cares about them.free palestine!!!!!!!!!!!!

[indicahybryd]

@irishtrotsky i agree brother

[budeiri123]

long live a free palestine and a free ireland

from: Jerusalem/Palestine

[fenianbanshee]

Excellent video

Tiocfaidh Ar La

for Palestine

[SuperTrekNerd]

I wish people would stop equating Northern Ireland with Palestine, they're completely different. Northern Ireland is not occupied, unlike the Palestinian territories.

[blunt1984]

The North is still occupied even though it isn't as visible as it was before Operation Banner (1969-2007) ended. There are still 5,000 British troops in NI confined to their bases. The PSNI also has plenty of room for improvement before it will be accepted as an unbiased force.

It may not be nearly as brutal as the Israeli occupation of Palestine, but it still is occupation.

[SuperTrekNerd]

Northern Ireland is NOT occupied by anyone!!!

It is part of the UK, just like Texas is part of the US. Is Texas under American occupation?

[blunt1984]

Maybe it doesn't meet your definition of occupation, but it does meet mine and many others.

To compare the situation in Northern Ireland with Texas is ridiculous. Texas does not have 45% of it's population voting for political parties that want it to unite with Mexico.

[SuperTrekNerd]

At what percentage would Texas become like Northern Ireland then? 10%? 30%?

If that is your definition of an occupation, does that mean if Northern Ireland joined with the Republic with 45% of its people wanting to be part of the UK it would be under Irish Occupation?

In a democracy it is the majority who decide and the majority in NI, as in Texas, want things to stay as they are. A large minority may disagree but that hardly makes it occupied.

[blunt1984]

LoL-I can tell you that if Unionists numbered only 45% of the population of NI, and joined with the ROI, hardcore Loyalists would consider Northern Ireland occupied by the Irish, regardless of the fact that they'd be given equal rights.

In the mid-1970s some Loyalists actually advocated the independence of Northern Ireland from the United Kingdom without becoming part of the Republic of Ireland, in case the British government abandoned its relationship with the North.

[blunt1984]

I'll just have to agree to disagree with you about whether to call it an occupation.

I actually do currently support the GFA, and the unification of Ireland through political, not military, means.

But I have to tell you that history has proved that as long as there is a British political or military presence in Ireland, there will always be those who will oppose it.

[SuperTrekNerd]

You say "Loyalists would consider Northern Ireland occupied by the Irish, regardless of the fact that they'd be given equal rights."

Does that mean if people are given equal rights it's not an occupation? In which case it's not an occupation now.

[blunt1984]

LoL-You sure like to twist people's words around.

I meant that just as some Loyalists would consider the 6 counties occupied in that circumstance, some Republicans consider them occupied under current circumstances.

"Does that mean if people are given equal rights it's not an occupation? In which case it's not an occupation now."

Does that mean you admit that the North was occupied for around 70 years of its existence until full civil rights for Catholics were implemented?

[SuperTrekNerd]

I'm not the one who said equal rights was involved in whether a country is occupied or not, you were.

The fact is, the EU, UN and Republic of Ireland accept that Northern Ireland is part of the UK. The majority of people in NI want to be part of the UK and there are no military personal on active service in NI. By no definition of the term could Northern Ireland be considered to be occupied by anyone.

[ParamoreWorshipper]

Actually, the North violates E.U. criteria for a colony, but that's kept quite.

Britian owns part of a country that they invaded and stole, and that's not an occupation?

So what if people in Northern Ireland want the U.K.?

Overall, people in Irealnd do want a United Ireland.

[SuperTrekNerd]

Northern Ireland is not owned by Britain nor the Republic, it belongs to the people who live there and the majority of them was to remain part of the UK.

If Northern Ireland joined the Republic without the consent of a majority of its people then that was go against EU laws on self-determination and Article 3.1 of the Constitution of Ireland.

[tj2tone]

The British Army were always back-up for local forces, and they still are. From 1798 to Operation Banner to their current Op Helvetica. The situation has not fundamentally changed.

[SuperTrekNerd]

If by 'local forces' you mean the PSNI, then this is true. But the army are also used as back-up for the police in Great Britain. In fact this is the case with most countries in the world, including the Republic of Ireland.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

45%?? Where are you getting that figure from? I've never seen it that high.

The most recent poll I can find is from 2007 and shows 23% of people want a united Ireland and 66% of people who want to remain part of the UK.

By comparison, a 2009 Texas poll showed 18% of Texans wanted to secede from the United States and 75% of people who want to remain part of the US.

There is less than a 10% difference between separatist feelings in Northern Ireland to compared to that of Texas.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

YouTube prevents me from putting hyperlinks to these polls.

For the Northern Ireland poll do a google search for "NIRELND2".

For the Texas poll do a google search for "In Texas, 31% Say State Has Right to Secede From U.S.".

[blunt1984]

Sorry, actually it should've been 41% of the vote in the 2007 Northern Ireland Assembly Election went to Nationalist parties (Sinn Fein and the SDLP).

I only said they voted for political parties who want to unite Ireland. Not that they voted to unite the country.

And I trust ACTUAL votes, not polls. I looked all over your poll and couldn't find the number of people who participated in it anywhere.

[Arjuna1901]

Hey, what is this song? Thanks for the vid. Cool to see Europeans supporting Palestinians. Shows you that despite our different cultures, we are able to find common ground through our struggle for freedom.

[blunt1984]

The song is called "Rado" by Irari.

[judopathoftruth]

we would always have you in our hearts!

[tiocfaidh28]

Visit Palestine 2009! Check my profile for contact details and information on the the 2 delegations in 2009 (February and October). people anywhere in the world welcome to attend.

Free Palestine!!

[0ut0fn0thingdrumer]

adj saor in eirinn, tiocfaida ar la!!!

(free ireland, our day will come)

[PalestinianV]

Free Palestine Free Ireland

[SuperTrekNerd]

You realise it would be unconstitutional for Northern Ireland to join the Republic of Ireland unless a majority of its people wanted to? So far, a majority have always voted to remain part of the UK.

[PalestinianV]

But N.Ireland is an Irish land, not English or British, it belongs to the Irish nation.

Those who voted to be with UK they're just religious protestants they don't have any patriot feelings !

[SuperTrekNerd]

Northern Ireland belongs to the people who live there and were born there and most of them want to be part of the UK.

It's not just protestants who want to stay within the UK, many Catholics and people of no religion want to as well.

[blunt1984]

More specifically it's British Unionists who want the North of Ireland to remain part of the UK. It's always been a political conlfict, not a religious one. It just happens that most of the Unionists there are Protestants and that most of the Irish Nationalists there are Catholics.

Anyway, a United Ireland is going to happen in 10-20 years because the Irish Nationalist population in NI has gone from 33% in 1969 to 45% in 2007. When it reaches 51% they can vote to unite the country.

[SuperTrekNerd]

If a majority of people in Northern Ireland ever vote for a United Ireland then that is what will happen soon after.

My problem is that people keep saying 'Free Ireland' when it is already free, just one part of it wants to be part of UK.

The people who say 'Free Ireland' really want to take away the freedom of those in NI to decide for themselves which country they belong to.

[blunt1984]

The reason people say "Free Ireland" is because though the current Partition of Ireland is legal by standards of the GFA, it still disregards the Irish general election of 1918, when Sinn Féin won 69.5% of Ireland's seats in the British Parliament, the last occasion on which a general election occurred across the whole of Ireland, north and south, on the same day.

[blunt1984]

I understand the British Unionist/Loyalist position that they have a democratic majority in the partitioned state of Northern Ireland, but you have to understand the Irish Nationalist/Republican view that both the Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland parliaments as illegal assemblies, set up by an act of the British parliament. (The partition of Ireland between the north-eastern six counties and the rest of Ireland that took place on 3 May 1921 under the Government of Ireland Act 1920.)

[SuperTrekNerd]

I understand the view of the Republicans and had I been around in 1921 I would have probably supported them. However, most people who live in Northern Ireland weren't around in 1921 and most of them see NI as a legitimate separate country and want it to remain part of the UK.

It's very dangerous to start denying people today their rights just because other people have been denied rights in the past.

[celtsbhoy88]

we will be free. end british rule. and we can all live in a free and just contry for once. tiocfaidh ar la

[AMason8634]

Excellent video!

[remedy63]

Free Ireland!!

Free Palestine!!

Tiocfaida ar la (Our day will come)

[Weddze]

brilliant video

fuck England and the soddin inbred queen

[Medeasbiggestfan]

You realise Ireland is free? Has been for a very long time.

[blunt1984]

Only 26 out of the 32 counties of Ireland are free. The 6 northeastern counties are under British political and military occupation.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

There is no occupation of any sort in Northern Ireland, there are no British soldiers stationed in Northern Ireland, and all politicians in Northern Ireland are chosen by the people of Northern Ireland.

The sovereignty of the province is determined by the people of Northern Ireland every two years in either Assembly or Parliamentary election. At every point the majority of people in Northern Ireland have voted to remain part of the United Kingdom.

[blunt1984]

There are still 5000 British Army Troops in NI.

Unionism only dominates 2 of the 6 Northern counties. 4 of them want to be part of the nation of Ireland.

Parties that won seats in 2001

Ulster Unionist Party (18 candidates in 2005) - Unionist

Democratic Unionist Party (18) - Unionist

Sinn Féin (18) - Republican

Social Democratic and Labour Party (18) - Nationalist

With that result, does it appear that the majority in NI are Unionist?

No.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

In the 2007 assembly elections the DUP won 36 seats, the UUP won 18. Sinn Féin won 28 and the SDLP won 16. There is a large majority who wants to join the Republic of Ireland, that's why there was the Troubles, but sovereignty is determined by the majority.

Unlike the West Bank and the Gaza strip, no one classes or describes Northern Ireland as occupied, not the UN, not the EU, not even the Irish government or any republican party.

[blunt1984]

Ever heard of Republican Sinn Fein, the 32 County Sovereignty Moevement, or the Irish Republican Socialist Party?

They all still recognize the 6 Counties as occupied Irish soil.

And sorry, but the UN and EU are impotent bodies. See how great their resolutions are going in the Darfur region of Sudan!

They just sit by and let genocides occur while just offering tough talk, but no action (Rwanda, Uganda, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Somalia, Chechnya, Iraq, etc.).

They get no respect from me.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

When I said no republican party classes NI as occupied, I meant parties that get more than 1% of the vote in elections.

The most important people to think about in any disputed are the ones affected. It's the people of Northern Ireland who should be considered and they live in an open, democratic society with all the rights and freedoms of every other EU citizen. If over 50% ever voted to join the Republic of Ireland, they would do so with the UK's blessing.

[blunt1984]

I'll cede you that point.

Anyway, a United Ireland is going to happen in 10-20 years because the Irish Nationalist population in NI has gone from 33% in 1969 to 45% in 2007.

We'll see if the Loyalists revolt against the UK at that point.

Then it'll be the UVF and UDA/UFF who'll be shooting at the British Army!-LoL

[remedy63]

If the whole of Ireland and the whole of England could vote then Ireland would become a nation hands down because England dosent give a fuck about the north it means more to the Irish people

[Medeasbiggestfan]

But it's not the Irish or the British who should decide, it's the people of Northern Ireland who should determine their sovereignty.

[remedy63]

Sopose so. good thing them thousands of roman catholic polish keep coming over and living in republican areas. Being purposely recruited in the psni to make the 50/50 cath/prod mandate

[remedy63]

They are all uk citizens with the right to vote just like everyone else by the way

[Medeasbiggestfan]

I know, when did I suggest they didn't have the right to vote?

[remedy63]

You didnt sorry. im just used to arguing with ignorant people on this that dont know these things lol

[celtsbhoy88]

it should be the whole island of ireland who vote, after all it affects the whole island.

free ireland and free palestine.tiocfaidh ar la

[Medeasbiggestfan]

It also would affect the UK, should all of the people of the United Kingdom also have a vote?

Surely it is the opinion of the people whose sovereignty would change that matters?

[0ut0fn0thingdrumer]

lo i agrea but i would be unfair seeing as we out dumber them to about 9 to 1 hahaha they should thou!

free ireland!

[Johnrosssssss]

resistance my left nut

[marketmade]

VERY GOOD VIDEO M8...!

[RESISTANCE101101]

just love this vid...5 stars

[Tq0ThE0pAiN0019]

very gd video man its my top favorite one

[blunt1984]

Thanks a bunch!

[supermc1916]

very good free palestine free ireland

[FinnishKnife]

Perfect video! These two struggles are one and the same and should be supported by all people of morals.Any illegal occupation of any land is wrong, no matter what excuses are given. The passage of time does not make the wrong any less.

[RedCeltic]

solidarity between ireland and palestine