Last Night of the Proms 1910 - 2010 (Rule Britannia)

[PrinceofCarolina]

Nicely done, and very stirring, too bad "Britannia's Rule" is the source of so many of the worlds problems.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina It isn't, but it could be the end of so many.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided No really, it is...

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina No, it's not.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina It's frequently convenient for those with a deep seated hatred of England or a grudge against the UK to hang up all of the worlds problems on Britain's colonial past.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided It's not convenient, it's truth. I was pressed to learn about it while living in the UK. I got absolutely sick of being pressed to defend the actions of my country while living there, as if WE started the mess in Iraq. That place has been in turmoil since the arbitrary drawing of its borders after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. I'm not placing ALL the blame on our cousins, but I'm sick of the British "holier than thou" attitude toward Americans with no ownership whatsoever.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina It's not truth at all, it's nothing more than anti-British propaganda by a country well known for it's hatred of the British people, who ironically have done far more damage to the world than Britain and it's empire ever did.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided There's no substance to that statement. You're just throwing out buzz words like "propoganda." We're not well know for our hatred of Brits. I actually love y'all (got a tattoo on my arm to prove it.) You're wonderful individuals who are collectively the biggest assholes on the planet--(ever been to Ibiza in June???) But I digress...soooo, you're telling me that Iraq/Israel/Palestine/Syria wasn't created by a Brit/French agreement after WW1? That's just "propaganda?"

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina There's plenty of evidence to support what I'm saying... starting recently, the BP oil spill accident brought out the worse of the usual "blame the British" for anything that goes wrong mentality in American people.. suddenly, BP became "British Petroleum" a name not used in decades..totally over the top reaction. When there was a problem with a batch of vaccines supplied to the US under president Bush he starts his "the British let us down" speeches...

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Then there's the US widespread support of the Sinn Fein IRA terrorists during the 80's and 90's under the Reagan and Clinton administrations. Fund-raising openly allowed in the US etc.. again, the British government and UK painted out to be the oppressors of the Irish, when in fact N.I and British mainland was being bombed almost weekly by IRA terrorists...no support from US. Going back further, Argentina invades Falklands, US sits on the fence and doesn't assist...

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided Ireland belongs to the Irish; Scotland for the Scots. If you're going to piss off (American, not British term) armed and drunk Micks, you've got to expect some backlash.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Northern Ireland belongs to the UK, it was agreed by mutual treaty between Ireland and the UK, at least get your facts right. Also the majority of people in N.I. have democratically voted in favour of continued union with the UK. The problem is the US passiveness and even support of the Irish terrorists, not the terrorists themselves. That's the point being made.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided OK, I see the light. N.I. wants to be part of the UK, but some Irish have a problem with it. I can relate--Iraq WANTS TO BE FREE, too. But there are some people there who have a problem with it, too. I'm not asking you to defend anything that your country does, just admit that you're no better than the US and collectively quit the judgement.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina But what you have to understand is, those Irish nationalists who want N.I. reunited with Ireland are a small minority. They have only recently accepted that democracy is the only way they can achieve their aim and it has to be the will of the majority before Britain will step back from N.I. You cannot achieve your political aims with violence and terrorism. The US should of condemned the IRA and blocked Sinn Fein from entering the US when it was still linked to terrorism.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided I pray everyday that Iraqi insurgents realize the same thing, that violence is counterproductive to the life that they want. It's counter to the life I want, too. And yes, although I razz you about NI, the US getting involved on either side is wrong because it's like taking sides when you have 2 close relatives fighting one another.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina You only have to look at US culture to see how deeply ingrained anti-British sentiment is. In American cinema, British actors are frequently used as the bad guys, the psychopaths or evil world dominators. Frequent digs and harping on about tyranny and oppression of British rule at every opportunity, a very biased version of history is being taught in US schools from what I've seen.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided Now THAT is a very valid point. We do use British actors as bad guys rather frequently.  I've always thought it' because a British actor gives an 'international' feel to the character, while still understanding what he's saying! I would take offense to that, too, I completely understand. As a student of history I'll say that history is in itself biased. Your version of the end of colonial America is biased, too. Bias comes from perspective. But major facts can't be ignored.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina The American colonies were getting a raw deal and being mistreated and dare I say it, exploited and taken for granted by the British government and Monarchy, many Brits will freely admit that because it is the truth.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided Wow, thank you.  You consede something. I'm now speechless.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina You should look at your own more recent history and conduct in the 20th century before you start casting assertions about the British Empire and our conduct... Hiroshima and Nagasaki ring any bells? North Korea? Vietnam? Diego Garcia.. US backing and sponsoring of Israel for decades, a country well known for it's appalling human rights abuses..not to mention many other dodgy regimes around the world... Not one, but two illegal wars on Iraq.. environmental cost of US globalism?

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided The difference in our 2 countries is we OWN our mistakes. I've denied nothing, you admit nothing. Bombing the shit out of Japan was horrific, but neccesary. It saved more lives than what were lost in the long run.  The US backs Israel. The UK ESTABLISHED Israel, going back on an agreement that had been made with the Palestinians!

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Actually no you don't. You blame other people for them. Like you've done here..blaming the problems in the middle east on Britain, when they're entirely of your own making. The "it saved more lives" argument for using not one, but two atomic bombs on a country and the mass genocide of 100,000's of civilians doesn't wash.. that has to go down in history as one of the greatest war crimes ever, yet it's been white-washed from history and covered up.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided We'd have used a third bomb if it took Japan any longer to surrender. I'll scream from the top of Mt Fuji that it was the right thing to do. Truman knew what the alternative was. People were going to die, but how many. The Japanese resolve was dangerous. The entire population believed nothing was more honorable than to die for the emporor. There was no beating that state of mind. Prolonging the war would have cost thousands more of Japanese and Allied lives.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Why didn't the US just follow a policy of containment then, why did you have to do a full scale invasion of Japan?

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided Japan would not have stopped by being "contained." What does that even mean??? We did contain them--well, Japanese-American citizens. Everyone said that was wrong too. Sorry, I'm gettin off topic to make a joke. When you get in a pub brawl, to you fight by restraining the guy? No, you beat the living crap out of them until they stop coming at you. I think that illustrates very well the cultural difference between the US and other countries that causes for such ill-regard.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina The UK in the past had the largest navy as you know, and it would frequently use that to contain enemies.. basically blockading them in or cutting off their supplies.. Japan is an island remember, dependent on outside resources... it could of been contained by the US and smaller battles dealt with until Japan was ground down and bankrupted.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided You know, that is a damn good point, a completely different perspective. I would have to ponder on if it would have worked or not, but I don't see why it wouldn't have. Nicely done.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Although Germans and British people come the same stock, culturally we're very different and with the language barrier, making a combined empire of the two nations wouldn't be very workable or practical I don't think without one country integrating into the other..since English was more dominant and established it's logical Germany would integrate but they would never give up their language eh. That would of created a polarised world, half German and half English.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided Ahh, I see what you mean by containment now. You know, that is a damn good point, a completely different perspective. I would have to ponder on if it would have worked or not, but I don't see why it wouldn't have. Nicely done.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina I think the US navy was easily large enough to contain the smaller Japanese navy and their island nation.. if you combined the US and UK/empire naval and air power, surely it would of been sufficient to contain Japan and starve them into surrender..

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina No doubt it would of cost a lot of money and taken a much longer though, when the US had already put loads of money into the development of the atomic bomb.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina it's always better to cut off your enemy and contain it rather than engage it, when it's the type of enemy you describe, a fight to the death enemy.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina I'm sure 100,000's of people who died and probably a million more who suffered as a result, would disagree. Also remember there were two motives for the use of the atomic bomb..the US favours the "it brought the war to a quick end and saved lives" but really it also served as a real demonstration of the bomb for USSR/China, sending them a political message that the US had arrived and not to mess with it.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided Agreed, it sent a message. And if I may say, they better by-God not forget it. I'm sure that the Japanese, especially those who were affected would disagree, as you say. But it doesn't matter how they were killed, I'm sure that anyone else that died or was maimed in any part of that war would agree with them too, that war is horrific.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Although the threat of the USSR disappeared we now have China on the horizon and who knows what kind of aims they might have in the future..they sure have some scores to settle with US and UK.. we may have an uncertain future, but it seems this "cold-war" is more about economics and political influence for now.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided I completely agree. There's no coincidence to China buying up the US debt and all of the espoinage plots that have been uncovered that lead back to China. This, I agree, is Cold War II.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided I completely agree. There's no coincidence to China buying up the US debt and all of the espoinage plots that have been uncovered that lead back to China. This, I agree, is Cold War II. And it's good to see you type "we."

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Right, the Chinese are working to some plan I think..and they are smart. The communists of the past were easy to deal with, but these Chinese communists are very different, they know how to use capitalism and international markets, they can buy their way into countries and take them over from the inside. The situation is completely unbalanced and stacked in their favour with their seemingly inexhaustible supply of low-cost labour and complete contempt for human rights.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided The Soviet Communists were their own worst enemies because of their stubbornness. Yes, the Chinese apparently learned from them, and they've always been a smart culture. If we're not careful, and IF we don't have people "in charge" who have our societies' best interests at heart, we're done for.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina I agree with you there completely..it's like the Borg, these ones have adapted.. we need new weapons ;-)

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina They are already showing documentaries in the UK such as "The Fall of the West" showing how Western influence and economic power is declining and Eastern is growing...almost like "they" have conceeded we're done for and it's inevitable.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided Wow, that's troubling. It sounds to me like "innocent propaganda." We collectively will believe anything if we see it enough, so much that when it becomes true we're not just unsurprised, but may even embrase it. Humans also seem to have the inability to react to actions that are bigger than we are. If your car is on the brink of breaking, fix the problem. If our society's about to be taken over-well, there's nothing we can do, why be outraged?

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Exactly, nicely put.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Just how of interest, what solution would you suggest to containing the growing threat from China...what do you think would help re-balance the trade imbalance between China and US? Should the US be taking a much tougher stance with China rather than welcoming them in as investors? Or is it too late and China holds all the cards now...

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided We've let too much power swing to China already. We have to take a much tougher stance. You have to deal with any threat equally, be it overt military invasion or a covert attempt to exploit our own needs against us. I have no idea of HOW to do it, but it's a situation that has to be handled. If it's not done in the same sneaky, covert fashion, the world will frown upon our behavior and scold us (we've covered that, haven't we :-P) but not acting decisively can't happen.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Not wanting to influence your answer but...for me, China is guilty of currency manipulation and that situation has gone on for far too long, despite repeated requests from US for China to revalue it's currency being ignored.. the simple answer is to increase or put selective tarrifs on Chinese goods, and lower taxes on US goods/exports.. but since much of our economies are now dependent on Chinese imports, it's like shooting ourselves in the foot.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided Our habit of using cheap, outsourced labor was one of the first things used against us. That's something that has been going on for a long time, but it was one of the first steps this "attack." Cutting back on Chinese imports would be painful in the short-term, but I'll bet it's better in the long run than whatever they may have in store for us.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina For sure...seems like a wise approach taking a longer term view..start action early even if it's painful.. it's like weening off a drug.. people are hooked on cheap Chinese goods..

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided It's not even that we're just hooked, we have no choice now. We don't have to go without, we just have to manufacture locally and pay more. We weren't willing before, but now we can't even afford it. That's why it's scarily apparent that it may be too late already to reverse the course. The sickening thing is, there are people in this hemesphere, in this country, that are getting rich from selling out OUR way of life.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina :-( so true. We have to support local businesses more.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina I suspect the US and EU are taking the "lets see what happens" approach and assume that as China's domestic economic continues to grow and people get wealthier, they will start to import more foreign goods and the currency will have to revalue and trade re-balance in the longer term..they may see the present situation as temporary, but this is a dangerous game, this is not a normal country it's a communist regime with a lot of people..

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Those two bombs killed more people in an instant than all the British civilians who perished in the 4-5 years of German bombing of UK cities.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided It was certainly a good day to not be Japanese. And I hope that it never happens again. But I do believe that it was necessary.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina The Israeli's had a rightful and legal claim to the land, this argument and war with Palestine has waged on since biblical times..what was Britain supposed to do with millions of Jews that were turned away by country after country when the Nazi's were pushing them out Europe? Your country also refused the Jews sanctuary. Your country armed Israel and continued to supply a regime engaging in brutal war crimes and continues to supply and support them to do this day.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided AND??? They shouldn't be armed, surrounded by countries who want to erradicate them? Once again, I say good for you, for stepping up and helping them. But their issues are something else that "rests squarely at the US's feet." Once again, the British hypocracy--Britain sent them to Israel, the US refused them sanctuary--SO DID THE BRITISH obviously, that's why you sent them to Palestine.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina There's a difference between supplying arms and what the US has been doing with Israel. With supplying arms comes responsibility. The US has not taken it's responsibilities with regards to reigning in Israel and condemning their human rights abuses. That says a lot about your country, as usual American interests, dollars and profits before human rights and doing what's morally right.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina So what? Britain was engaged in a WAR the last thing we needed was 100,000's of foreigners to feed we could barely feed our own people..not to mention the security risk when espionage was rife. The US was in far better position to take Jews but chose not to. We had NO CHOICE but to give them land and let them establish their country, they did it more or less without Britain signing it off anyway. Plus the League of Nations took over anyway, of which US played a major role.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided Far better position? Are you sure about that? Are you reading what you type? Can you honestly tell me you don't see the parallel between US and British actions?

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Yes, a far better position. Let's not forget that before the war, your country was bankrupted and on it's knees economically in the worse recession imaginable. The war came along and it was a great opportunity for the US to profit and prosper on the back of the UK's suffering and struggle for survival. And benefit and prosper on it you did! Supplying the UK with weapons and provisions transformed your economy almost overnight and you continued to milk it for 2 years..

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided Wow. How evil we were, to send military privisions to you. We benefitted economically, that's the rule of economics. We didn't do it just for money though because we lost a lot of the finest Americans that ever lived, too, helping you. I'm going to guess that your next point will be downplaying that, too.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Yeah Amerian's frequently make out they did us a big favour and then entered the war and saved us. The fact is you used the war for as long as you could to benefit and remained passive. US companies were even supplying the Nazi regime. No morals at all. It's not the "rule of economics" to exploit countries when they're under attack. You soon entered the war when Japan was knocking on your back door eh. Then who came to your aid? The UK.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided Yep, and thanks for that. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I'm sure we knew of the Japanese attack and let it happen as an excuse to get into the war. In other words, we could have stayed passive and continued to make money supplying war goods. But we didn't. Why? Churchill was BEGGING for help. But the US government had to have something to rally the support of the US population.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina If you look into the history of WWII from the US involvement it was extremely well planned out and very calculated by the US gov how they would benefit and displace the UK as the dominant world power.. this part of history is often hushed up or denied by Americans, and even unknown by British people who have been brainwashed with the US version of history, as America saving the UK and freeing Europe.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina You were helping yourselves not us. You only entered the war at the last minute when you saw that the UK might actually fall and the Nazi's would dominate the world with Japan, they would be coming for you before long. The fact is, you stayed out of that war as long as possible to benefit economically and politically from it. If the situation had been reversed and Japan attacked the US and UK was in peacetime, I guarantee you the UK would of intervened.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided I disagree that the UK would have intervened. You're wayyyyy too passive to get involved in a war that doesn't concern you. You've made that point through this whole banter. You wouldn't get involved in Korea, you wouldn't get involved in Iraq, why would you have gotten involved in WWII??

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina There is no way in hell the UK would of stood by and watched the US be bombed to pieces by the Japanese. That's just not what British people do.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Korea was a very different situation, an inner dispute between two factions in the same country. That's not something for us to take sides in and say who is right or wrong. An outside aggressor attacking a country unprovoked is a completely different matter.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided China and the Soviet Union were openly backing North Korea. What humanity would sit back and watch South Korea in a futile struggle. In one breath you say you'd help the US, the next breath you say that we did nothing to help you, then you condemn the US for helping Korea. You're a real piece of work, you know that?

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina You cannot stop the force of change. All it leads to is bloodshed and wars..if history tells us anything surely it's that. I'm not condemning the US for Korea, I'm just saying, your country interfered in the affairs of another country and it cost lives. This started by you accusing the UK of meddling in other countries, but your own country has done it time and time again.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided I've never denied that our government doesn't act out of line. It most certainly does, and it acts on the benefit of keeping the rich and powerful rich and in power, not necessarily on the benefit of the people which it serves. I'm saying that the British government has been scarcely better, if at all.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina The situation in Iraq, again, was an internal matter. It's not for the UK or US to decide who is fit to be a leader and what style of government and country it should be. This is why we have all the problems in the world now and why Iraq is more unstable and unsafe than it ever was under Saddam's regime.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided I made that discovery independently as I zipped up the first body bag I had to fill over there.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina You did not even lift one finger to assist a country that was being bombed from the air daily and fighting a war on several fronts trying to save other countries. Not one finger. All you did was, said let's get to work and make some money.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided We had to pick ourselves up before we could have been anything but a liability to fighting. Unfortunately it was strategic luck that the UK and France were "speedbumps" for the Axis that bought us time. It isn't fair of you to insist that we did nothing to help. What was the US supposed to do, make weapons out of NOTHING (the Depression was on, you know) and give them away to you? We jumped in as soon as we would. There's a large cemetary outside Cambridge to prove it.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Yeah I can see that, but you could of at least made some gesture and supplied whatever you could, and at the very least men, you had an army still.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided We barely had an army, and what you can't be faulted for knowing was that they were undertrained and underequipped. I wouldn't have wanted them, they'd have been nothing more than bullet catchers. We had to get our act together, and believe me we did it quickly, all things considered. Personally, I wish we could have gotten there before Dunkirk, but there really was no way. Not just because of the military, but we were a passive country, we had to have the people's resolve.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina I find that hard to believe..you certainly had a considerable army, navy and air force when Japan attacked you two years later.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided We mobilized very quickly, and it was due to the funds we got from your country supplying what we could provide. It's actually a point of great American pride that we were able to do what we (that generation) did. We knew what was coming, there are government documents and communication from the Allies to prove it. We just needed the time and money.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Britain fought the wrong war. We should never have been at war with Germany in the first place and we wouldn't of been had we listened to our King instead of Churchill and the government.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided That's an interesting point. Unless there's something you know that I don't, you didn't have much choice. Look at what the Nazi goal was. Had you not reacted when Germany invaded Poland, you would have been in breach of your alliance with Poland. You would have appeared weak and Germany would have gone after your country like a wounded animal, steamrolled you with even greater force.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina That is fair comment about the situation with Poland and it being the trigger to the war. Legally speaking we had no choice but to declare war on Germany. Germany never wanted war with UK though and Hitler actually thought very highly of Britain and saw us as allies..he greatly admired the British Empire and wanted to emulate it.. whether two dominate world powers such as UK and Germany could of existed together peacefully, who knows..with Germany's aims, doubtful.

[BritainDivided]

@BritainDivided There probably would of been no USSR/Communist China, no North Korea or Korean war..

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Assuming it could of worked somehow and Britain had entered into a pact with Nazi Germany for a combined Empire of some sort...that would of resulted in a very different world and history today..

[PrinceofCarolina]

@PrinceofCarolina excuse me--I meant "what you can't be faulted for NOT knowing..."

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Who knows, had the US sided with the UK from the word go and declared war on Germany, it might of deterred Germany from any invasion of the UK and freed up considerable resources for the UK and bought us much needed time.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided That's true, but that was well before my time. Chamberlain was busy trying to appease the Nazis in the beginning, too, no one wanted to go to war. I don't think that the US getting involved would have deterred Germany; they were dumb enough to start a war on 2 fronts, didn't learn from Nepoleon's mistake of fighting in the Russian winter, wouldn't listen to his own advisors. I can't believe he'd have backed away from a rag-tag, poorly trained shell of the army of WW1.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina the US came out of WWII a far stronger and economically more powerful country, while the UK came out of impoverished and basically sucked dry by the US. It took 50 years for the UK just to pay off the debt to the US as not only did you supply Britain's war effort, you also loaned the money on interest, with the condition that the British pound would be replaced by the dollar, as the world reserve, thereby establishing a new world order with the US at the top of it.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided That's a foul, no question about it. That's no way to treat allies. How long are we going to continue this Britain perfect/US evil dos-et-dos? Once again, where we're wrong, I'll say we're wrong. It's really not so hard, you should give it a try.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina the US has NEVER been a ally or friend of the UK, unless it's convenient and it's us helping YOU fight some illegal war. Whenever the UK is in it's hour of need, you're nowhere to be seen.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina I'm not saying the UK is perfect and the British Empire was completely without fault and didn't do anything bad, all I'm saying is, this anti-British stuff from the US does exist and it's undeserved and that a more honest look at the history of the 20th century shows things how they were.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided North Korea? Really??? That, first of all the war in Korea is a UN action which the US (once again) has to lead. Secondly, I can only assume that your point is that South Korea should NOT be free and democratic but should be annexed by a communist, oppressive, insane regime. I can see why you so revere your royal family. P.S. Does Northern Ireland ring any bells?

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina the UN didn't even exist when the US decided unilaterally to invade North Korea. My point is, that your country has been a far worse aggressor and has far more blood on it's hands than Britain has from the Empire days. You talk about glass houses and throwing stones, it applies to yourself I think.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided Back to basics: The UN was established 5 +/- years before the Korean War and was supported by a dozen other countries (including Britain) other than the US. WE were not aggressors, we suppressed communist forces to keep people who wanted their freedom, indeed, free.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Ok I got UN dates wrong, so the UN signed off on US involvement in Korean war..probably didn't have much choice as usual.. But can the same be said of Vietnam? What was the human cost there, and did you actually achieve anything?

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina What about Northern Ireland? did we invade it, did we drop atomic bombs on it? No we did not.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina I think your language here clearly illustrates my point.. I rest my case..

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided This makes no sense. You can make your own points. My entire point is that you're quick to throw a lot of rocks from the comfort of your big glass house.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina You DID start the mess in Iraq. The blame is squarely at your feet. It was the CIA who backed Saddam enabling his rise to power then bankrolled his military and war against Iran. The US has a long history of interfering in politics in the middle east and taking sides.. The British may have drawn up borders and held administration over the region, but we have always remained neutral and never interfered.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided Yes, you did remain neutral. You were neutral when the Kurds came to cash in on the promises that they were made by your government. You were neutral again when they got gassed by Saddam, and you were neutral in the liberation of Kuwait as much as you could be without downplaying your own troops' noble fight. But you're still right there collecting the benefits of the oil that we ALL care so deeply about, but that the US takes the heat for. You're little better than France.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina You don't half talk some rubbish. What promises??! What Saddam did in his own country is no concern or business of the UK. Since it was YOUR country who enabled him to get to power in the first place and armed him, knowing full well he was a psychopath, the blame rests at your door for his use of chemical weapons, not ours. And don't talk to me about oil. It's YOUR country which is leading the invasion and occupation of countries for oil. I'm just sorry we got dragged into it.

[PrinceofCarolina]

@BritainDivided That's so true mate, you don't use oil do you? You ride your goddamn high horse around everywhere.

[BritainDivided]

@PrinceofCarolina Our demand for oil is considerably less than yours is. For a start the UK has a sensible policy on taxing and pricing petrol/gas, whereas your country does not, which is part of the problem why your consumption is by far the highest in the world. Britain had started moving away from fossil fuels long before the US, who were still in denial about climate change.

[TashaEdlAngel]

E E EDL NO SURRENDER!!!

[zanpakutogr]

this is more like from 2005... :/

[BritainDivided]

@zanpakutogr It's 2010, I should know I recorded it 2 days ago.

[lincsposter]

No stereo! No sound at all on one channel! Why post?

[BritainDivided]

@lincsposter Perhaps you could try removing the wax from your ears.

[GoodFightLad]

Ah if only these great Patriots in the audiiance knew that their culture and way of life is being deliberately pulled apart, get active in politics, join the resistance!

[BritainDivided]

@GoodFightLad Indeed!