Carbon tax is a disgusting crime against Humanity. CO2 whether man-made or otherwise doesn't drive global climate, it never has, it never will, the Sun does...
There is a quick simple solution to global warming and climate change. It is called Muon Catalysed Fusion. As worked on Star Scientific. NO CO2. NO Greenhouse Gases. NO Toxic Waste. The source is dueterium from the World's Oceans - virtually limitless. It is cheap to produce. WE NEED IT NOW. See the website "Star Scientific Limited", Blog "The Big Picture by Andrew Horvath", Youtube video - "In the Footsteps of Fusion"
@bvdek You should read again what I pointed out of his actions here. His NAMECALLING is what i was adressing, where do I do that in this exchange? As the science goes, the fundamental argument isn't what do GHG's do? We know that, but the fundamental argument is what happens next. A sizeable body of scientific work shows that those feedbacks dampen the warming effect.
@thesparitan To break it down to terms even you can get: calling someone else names isn't a point, and makes you lower than what you call them. Simple enough?
@chewbaca1989 The study says that black carbon aersols forms a complicated interaction with environment and that it's effect is stronger regionally than globally. Furthermore, it says that it acts to reduce the amount of radiation received on the surface -- a cooling effect; however, it also makes the upper atmosphere warmer.
Linked from MIT:
"...following the business-as-usual trajectory..., the probability of...temperature increasing by 5° C...by 2100 is about 50 percent."
So, basically you don't know. The probability depending on what study. Hey isn't it true that nothing could be done to stop this trend. Now that we can't do anything about it what are potential benefits to this change. Are there benefits?
No, it's not true that nothing can be done. An increase of 5+ degrees over the next 90 years is possible if we do little or nothing to abate the amount of CO2 that we are adding to the atmosphere.
The benefits are only interesting if you are apathetic enough not to care about the considerably more important detrimental effects.
Well the prognostications have been wrong up till now so why should I believe what you are saying when the politics behind it are to create a world government?
That's fair enough, I do care about a world union I don't see one being possible without the other. I will respect your views on the matter. Your honest person.
@chewbaca1989 The surface cooling effect of aerosols is in COMPETITION with the surface warming effect of carbon dioxide. It's obvious that carbon dioxide is "winning".
After much celebrating, forgot to post: Ohio State pummels Michigan, 37-7. A lot like the way we skeptics have pounded Herr grunmann here in his vids' comment sections. These vids contain many inaccuracies, distortions, misrepresentations, a a few downright falsehoods. Herr grunmann would do well to learn from skeptics what arguments we'll present, rather than from ideologues at climateprogress, for instance.
@greenman3610 What I've demonstrated is I have much better grasp of the subject than you do. Whereas you only know the advocate/alarmist side of it, and can only present the feeblest rebuttals when confronted by science-often hypocritical, off-topic, and/or unresponsive; more science-literate skeptics already understand the issues and the arguments presented by your side.
@chewbaca1989 So what? That's the way it's supposed to be. The Earth is only going to radiate what it receives from the sun. The point is that the surface of the Earth, the lower atmosphere, and the oceans are getting warmer.
@smartalek65 How does it feel to be a moronic person in denial of reality, I am curious because I have never know this experience for myself because I listen to the evidence.
@thesparitan The only person in denial of reality is someone who says that about others in order to argue a point. It means he/she/it has only the feeblest retort to answer any point. It's alot like schoolboys back in my day, saying "yo' mama!" when another student thoroughly embarrassed him.
@smartalek65 lol you haven't demonstrated anything! You've presented no science to be 'confronted' whatsoever.. Only expressed your outright disagreement with the fundamental argument.
Sorry, but you can't actually be Dr. Richard Feynman..
In reality you're doing exactly what you criticised 'thesparitan' for doing to you: insulting someone's intelligence in an attempt to discredit their opinion, and support your own.. only difference is you disguise it in rhetoric, and try to sound intellectual.
@greenman3610 You missed the point, yet again. The problem I have with the like of Schneider and his pal Micheal Oppenheimer is that when changing their minds, it was one anthropogenic climate change catastrophe for another. They still have only the vaguest idea what they're talking about.
Stephen Schneider: a few years before this, he was talking about another imminent ice age-human causing it, of course. Fortunately, one Dr. Richard Feynman was around to tell us an obvious truth: "I don't think these guys know what they're talking about."
@greenman3610: "That's how science works. Changing your mind in the face of evidence is not
a sign of weakness."
That's true. Schneider may have been wrong on the ice age, but he was still a great voice for those who care about our environment, regardless of where we're from. He will be missed. =)
Bolden said that Muslim outreach was "perhaps foremost" in his mission. Sorry, but that's just nuts as is Al Gore winning prizes for his work on climate change while behaving as if climate change is no threat at all. I'll look at your stuff, but even if I accept AGW as fact, the solutions proposed are a much bigger hurdle.
"al gore is a jerk, therefore, there is no climate change", is
not sound deductive reasoning."
You are misrepresenting my position here. Al Gore is not just some jerk, he was given a Nobel Prize an Oscar and a Grammy for his SLOPPY and factually inaccurate work. This does not make Global Warming false, but it sure as hell creates some skepticism. NASA has lost a lot of credibility lately also with their newly stated mission of outreach to Islam etc. I do have an open mind.
Thanks Greenman. I still count myself as a skeptic until I can understand why so many of the facts and data seem to be intentionally distorted. I consider Al Gore to be an outright fraud and hypocrite. The fact that he lives such an excessive lifestyle seems to give lie to his expressed fears. That being said I do tend to believe in AGW, I'm just not a believer in unilaterally crippling our economy with regulations that exempt China. I am very open, point me to the data.
@jt3151 "Al Gore ... outright fraud and hypocrite. [His] excessive lifestyle gives lie to his fears."
Yeah, but is there anyone at all you allow to have those fears, or are you just picking a random excuse out of your a**? If you don't have an excessive lifestyle *and* you don't have those fears then you too are a hypocrite.
@greenman3610 Ah yes, Schneider was a climate denier big enough to admit he was wrong. In fact, I bet he never even calculated which side offered more research money or a more promising career path.
the goal was never about proof AGW is false, it has always being about clouding the issues and putting doubts in people's mind. It worked successfully and perfectly.
@kk207 The term for "clouding the issues and putting doubt in peoples' minds" is "agnotology", and you are exactly right about deniers using it to slow down action that will negatively impact their bottom lines.
I'd ask you to quote those predictions from every ten years, but I already know you're a moron with not a 10th of the knowledge this man had and can't
Well you had best tell that to NSA, AAAS, NASA, Royal Society of the United Kingdom, InterAcademy Council, European Academy of Sciences and Arts, International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences, Royal Society of New Zealand, Polish Academy of Sciences, National Research Council, American Chemical Society, American Institute of Physics, American Physical Society, Australian Institute of Physics, European Physical Society, European Science Foundation...
Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies, American Geophysical Union, European Federation of Geologists, European Geosciences Union, Geological Society of America, Geological Society of Australia, International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics, National Association of Geoscience Teachers, American Meteorological Society, Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society, Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society, Royal Meteorological Society, World Meteorological Organization, American Quaternary Association, International Union for Quaternary Research, American Institute of Biological Sciences, American Society for Microbiology, Australian Coral Reef Society, Institute of Biology, American Astronomical Society... to name a few
Yeah looks like you nailed it, all these respected scientific organizations are just wrong and your right...
@Kingucktoad Who says they're respected? You are so arrogant to think that humans did anything to cause meteorological change. This psycho babble has been talked about for decades. Guys like Schneider have been trying to scare people stupid for a long time now. Most people know it's nonsense. You know how much the sea level has risen outside my beach house? Zero. You know how much the temperature has changed? Zero. Same as it ever was.
@TheTopBloke Right, those of us who agree that climate change is (at least partially) anthropogenic are the 'arrogant' ones. Not people like you who refuse to look at the facts and face the truth because you're too caught up in your own wasteful, destructive lifestyle to care.
Oh okay so your saying all of the scientific organization I mentioned as well as the hundreds of others are just lying and almost all scientists working independently and from all different disciplines the world over are involved in the throws of some great conspiracy? That's insane.
If that were the case you would think at least a few scientific organizations would be honest and come out and "yeah we lied" but EVERY SINGLE scientific organization on earth supports the consensus.
@Kingucktoad Ever noticed it's called 'climate change' in the winter, and 'global warming' in the summer? Ever stop to realize scientists rely on grant money to pay for their mortgages? I've seen these crooks ban gardens in zoning ordinances and leave their own properties 'exempt' from the very same ordinances. I've seen bureaucrats kicked off of committees when exposed. There's plenty of idiots out there with degrees and zero critical thinking skills. They are not the end all be all.
@Kingucktoad Just look at the latest scare tactic. They couldn't even get their story straight. Ice cap lost overnight. All the papers had a different take on and none of them made any sense. Hackers exposed truth. I've first hand knowledge of the BS factory that started this whole thing in California nearly 20 years ago, ie., trading credits. It's all about trading. It has nothing to do with reality.
He was only 65. "Steve did for climate science what Carl Sagan did for astronomy," wrote Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory atmospheric scientist Benjamin Santer.
Moving to Mars to escape climate change? "The atmosphere on Mars consists of 95% carbon dioxide, 3% nitrogen, 1.6% argon and contains traces of oxygen and water." (wiki)
@1SapereAude1 I'm not saying we need to move there to escape climate change... we need to move there to escape the bullshit and political faction that allowed something like anthropogenic climate change to happen in the first place. It is very likely that humans will kill each other off on this rock within the next 100 or so years, and we would need to preserve the biodiversity of our planet somewhere else
RIP smart man, there is no better prediction than the one that it was made years ago and we can see the effect right now years later and the sad part about it is that we don't want to do or didn't do anything about it to avoid it, we're just letting the governments decide for us while we're slowly dying by the effect...Be Smart "Go Green"...
RIP, Stephen. It's funny though his name reads 'H. Schneider'. If you read it aloud in German, it means "hair cutter", which, considering his Euro-afro, is hilarious. If he weren't dead. So yea, rip Stevie. We're not much smarter now than we were back then I guess. 30 years and Kyoto is the best we could come up with? I do like the fact that Germany went ahead and declared at least subsidized solar/wind energy.
Very nice to be reminded of how sharp Stephen Schneider was. Hearing him speak at a conference in 1983 at Northwestern University convinced me that the impact of greenhouse warming would be large, and that it is something that would be important to begin observing then. Thanks for the great advice and leadership, Stephen, I will continue observing.
@Raptor302 so far as I recall that was the tabloids taking one poor report and running with it as far as they could take it, as they have a wont to do with anything sensationalist as it sells papers.
@RationalFuture according to a recent survey, climate scientists have a worse image than lawyers and used car salesmen. Anywat, now please tell me what the link is between my earlier comment and yours... the connection escapes me...
It is estimated that the constantly discovered new sources of oil over the coming decades represent profits in the order of TRILLIONS of dollars.
- This vital fact ensures that corporate interests and the social interests of all humanity will not jive and continue in conflict until societies take action. Corporation control of governments is better known as fascism.
Total bummer. Steve was the best known US climate scientist, after James Hansen, & quite gifted at public communication. In the mid-70s he was on the Tonite Show explaining that we simply didnt know yet whether global warming or cooling was more likely, tho it was clear that human activities were having a noticeable impact on Earth's climate. By the 80s it was unequivocal that the warming trend was dominant, & we should have taken action THEN to wean ourselves from fossil fuels. 25 yrs later...
I sincerely hope that in 30 years I'm not looking at greenman's videos the way we are looking as Schneider now from a radically changed world and wishing that we had acted sooner.
@GuBB3rGuN I thought the quotes went around "news" ? :D "Next up, our completely Unbiased(TM) news anchor lobs softball questions at a person with views our owner agrees with!"
@triftenC And tonight on the O'reily factor! Sarah Palin, and how she deals with the evil LEFT WING MEDIA ATTACKS ON HER FAMILY! Seriously, those lefties basically want to kill her! Also joining me tonight, Mr. Glenn Beck! It's gonna be a great line up, with lots of fun! You are now entering the "no spin zone" only on "Fair and Balanced" fox news!...
@dangerouslytalented "Half the TV weather forecasters in America (most of whom are not qualified as meteorologists) believe that global warming/climate change is a hoax."
Their scock portfolio wouldn't have a thing to do with their greedy ways, no not one bit.
@dangerouslytalented You are correct, and I understand how that could lead one to view that as evidence on why climate change isn't real... but to realize the point you made is actually not evidence at all, you need to understand is only one thing. Climate and weather are two entirely different things, I believe Greenman3610 here actually has a great video on why that is not soo.. go watch it! It is actually quite good. I believe it's titled"It's Cold. So there's no climate change"
@GuBB3rGuN Bingo. It is like a blind man in front of an elephant. The TV meteorologist (blind man) can only feel one part of the elephant (the exact weather, for one particular region, on that particular day) and may know it intimately, but the climatologist looks at the WHOLE FUCKING ELEPHANT.
this reminds me of how i wish carl sagan were still around. of course i didn't even know who he was until a clip from thunderf00t's "why do people laugh at creationists", but regardless the world needs people like sagan more than ever
cool, of course i have already "acquired" the whole series from a youtuber but at least i can tell my friends where to get instant access. it kinda makes me feel bad cuz such great content is worth a price.
@CousinoMacul But.. But.. Time magazine had an article that said global cooling, not global warming!... I was actually shocked hearing Penn say that on "Bullshit!".
@Cyrathil Look up Global Cooling at Wikipedia. The Time article title was misleading and the article didn't represent the consensus of scientists. It's just another example of climate change deniers clutching at straws. Note that Penn Gilette is an outspoken Libertarian and Libertarians seem to often be denialists just as most Republicans are. It is very sad that Penn has lost so much credibility because of his climate change stance. I've lost a lot of respect for him.
@DarwinsChihuahua That was my point. I was shocked hearing him say it, but then again this was before I found out my cousin's family was libertarian and I started hearing the odd things they tend to say.
@Cyrathil I like to say that "A Libertarian is just a Republican with half a brain". The implication is that it's half a brain more than a Republican has. I've found that many Libertarians are just Republicans who are too embarrassed (rightly) to admit it. I have a Libertarian friend who is "all about" personal liberty and being able to do what he wants yet he voted to ban gay marriage in California. I wonder how that fits in with his notion of personal liberty.
@DarwinsChihuahua Obviously, libertarianism is about paranious, fear of many things, usually unfounded but potential fears.
Wors than republican conservative fears, but your right, they are smarter than your average conservative and do try harder to justify themselves, which I guess is commendable.
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Carbon tax is a disgusting crime against Humanity. CO2 whether man-made or otherwise doesn't drive global climate, it never has, it never will, the Sun does...
The Great Global Warming Swindle [Full Film]
watch?v=T8KgbUvsC_o
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There is a quick simple solution to global warming and climate change. It is called Muon Catalysed Fusion. As worked on Star Scientific. NO CO2. NO Greenhouse Gases. NO Toxic Waste. The source is dueterium from the World's Oceans - virtually limitless. It is cheap to produce. WE NEED IT NOW. See the website "Star Scientific Limited", Blog "The Big Picture by Andrew Horvath", Youtube video - "In the Footsteps of Fusion"
2110kop 7 months ago
@bvdek You should read again what I pointed out of his actions here. His NAMECALLING is what i was adressing, where do I do that in this exchange? As the science goes, the fundamental argument isn't what do GHG's do? We know that, but the fundamental argument is what happens next. A sizeable body of scientific work shows that those feedbacks dampen the warming effect.
smartalek65 8 months ago
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@smartalek65 Fine lets hear you best argument and evidence against global warming? This should be fun.
thesparitan 6 days ago
@thesparitan To break it down to terms even you can get: calling someone else names isn't a point, and makes you lower than what you call them. Simple enough?
smartalek65 9 months ago
MIT satellites records over 20 years show earth radiation of heat into space equal to surface temperatures.
FAIL = Schnieder
Cocksure bombastic puke.
chewbaca1989 1 year ago
@chewbaca1989 Hey you cocksure bombastic puke, that study essentially proves that it isn't the sun making the surface of the earth warmer.
FAIL = YOU!
quidproquo2004 1 year ago
@quidproquo2004
Hey, you have beef with the satellite data.
chewbaca1989 1 year ago
@chewbaca1989 The study says that black carbon aersols forms a complicated interaction with environment and that it's effect is stronger regionally than globally. Furthermore, it says that it acts to reduce the amount of radiation received on the surface -- a cooling effect; however, it also makes the upper atmosphere warmer.
Linked from MIT:
"...following the business-as-usual trajectory..., the probability of...temperature increasing by 5° C...by 2100 is about 50 percent."
quidproquo2004 1 year ago
@quidproquo2004
So, basically you don't know. The probability depending on what study. Hey isn't it true that nothing could be done to stop this trend. Now that we can't do anything about it what are potential benefits to this change. Are there benefits?
chewbaca1989 1 year ago
@chewbaca1989 What is it that I don't know?
No, it's not true that nothing can be done. An increase of 5+ degrees over the next 90 years is possible if we do little or nothing to abate the amount of CO2 that we are adding to the atmosphere.
The benefits are only interesting if you are apathetic enough not to care about the considerably more important detrimental effects.
quidproquo2004 1 year ago
@quidproquo2004
Well the prognostications have been wrong up till now so why should I believe what you are saying when the politics behind it are to create a world government?
chewbaca1989 1 year ago
@chewbaca1989 "...why should I believe what you are saying when the politics behind it are to create a world government?"
I could care less about conspiracy theories. I will only discuss the science with you.
quidproquo2004 1 year ago
@quidproquo2004
That's fair enough, I do care about a world union I don't see one being possible without the other. I will respect your views on the matter. Your honest person.
chewbaca1989 1 year ago
@chewbaca1989 The surface cooling effect of aerosols is in COMPETITION with the surface warming effect of carbon dioxide. It's obvious that carbon dioxide is "winning".
quidproquo2004 1 year ago
@quidproquo2004
I can't discuss the global warming theory without the politics involved. I see the movement and institutions created around it as on in the same.
chewbaca1989 1 year ago
After much celebrating, forgot to post: Ohio State pummels Michigan, 37-7. A lot like the way we skeptics have pounded Herr grunmann here in his vids' comment sections. These vids contain many inaccuracies, distortions, misrepresentations, a a few downright falsehoods. Herr grunmann would do well to learn from skeptics what arguments we'll present, rather than from ideologues at climateprogress, for instance.
smartalek65 1 year ago
Me, personally, I'll just await the end of the Ohio St. owning of Michigan.
smartalek65 1 year ago
@greenman3610 The rest of us await an actual factual argument from you. Not that anyone's holding their breath...
smartalek65 1 year ago
@greenman3610 What I've demonstrated is I have much better grasp of the subject than you do. Whereas you only know the advocate/alarmist side of it, and can only present the feeblest rebuttals when confronted by science-often hypocritical, off-topic, and/or unresponsive; more science-literate skeptics already understand the issues and the arguments presented by your side.
smartalek65 1 year ago
@smartalek65
we await your imminent scientific publications and Nobels.
greenman3610 1 year ago
@greenman3610
Truth is treason in the Empire of lies.
MIT 20 year satelite study on earth radiating heat in direct proportion the surface temperatures.
Facts > Schnieder, a globalist and failure
chewbaca1989 1 year ago
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quidproquo2004 1 year ago
@chewbaca1989 So what? That's the way it's supposed to be. The Earth is only going to radiate what it receives from the sun. The point is that the surface of the Earth, the lower atmosphere, and the oceans are getting warmer.
quidproquo2004 1 year ago
@smartalek65 How does it feel to be a moronic person in denial of reality, I am curious because I have never know this experience for myself because I listen to the evidence.
thesparitan 9 months ago
@thesparitan The only person in denial of reality is someone who says that about others in order to argue a point. It means he/she/it has only the feeblest retort to answer any point. It's alot like schoolboys back in my day, saying "yo' mama!" when another student thoroughly embarrassed him.
smartalek65 9 months ago
@smartalek65 Doesn't make any sense sorry. Your thinking is poor.
thesparitan 9 months ago
@smartalek65 lol you haven't demonstrated anything! You've presented no science to be 'confronted' whatsoever.. Only expressed your outright disagreement with the fundamental argument.
Sorry, but you can't actually be Dr. Richard Feynman..
In reality you're doing exactly what you criticised 'thesparitan' for doing to you: insulting someone's intelligence in an attempt to discredit their opinion, and support your own.. only difference is you disguise it in rhetoric, and try to sound intellectual.
bvdek 8 months ago
@greenman3610 You missed the point, yet again. The problem I have with the like of Schneider and his pal Micheal Oppenheimer is that when changing their minds, it was one anthropogenic climate change catastrophe for another. They still have only the vaguest idea what they're talking about.
smartalek65 1 year ago
@smartalek65
right.
and you do, as you've so richly demonstrated.
greenman3610 1 year ago
Stephen Schneider: a few years before this, he was talking about another imminent ice age-human causing it, of course. Fortunately, one Dr. Richard Feynman was around to tell us an obvious truth: "I don't think these guys know what they're talking about."
smartalek65 1 year ago
@smartalek65
Schneider and Rasool is the paper in which they asked the question as to whether man caused aerosols would cool the planet toward another ice age.
They got the wrong answer, people showed them they were wrong, they admitted it, and moved on to the right answer.
That's how science works. Changing your mind in the face of evidence is not
a sign of weakness.
greenman3610 1 year ago
@greenman3610: "That's how science works. Changing your mind in the face of evidence is not
a sign of weakness."
That's true. Schneider may have been wrong on the ice age, but he was still a great voice for those who care about our environment, regardless of where we're from. He will be missed. =)
MiracleMile90 10 months ago
Stephen Schneider was the Arlen Spector of climate science. Denialist and affirmer, two scientists for the price of one.
kauffner 1 year ago
Bolden said that Muslim outreach was "perhaps foremost" in his mission. Sorry, but that's just nuts as is Al Gore winning prizes for his work on climate change while behaving as if climate change is no threat at all. I'll look at your stuff, but even if I accept AGW as fact, the solutions proposed are a much bigger hurdle.
jt3151 1 year ago
@jt3151
for my three videos on solutions, see
watch?v=pSdnycHfLnQ
watch?v=llIbjC49Fjs
watch?v=WO3V2uXTM6k
greenman3610 1 year ago
"al gore is a jerk, therefore, there is no climate change", is
not sound deductive reasoning."
You are misrepresenting my position here. Al Gore is not just some jerk, he was given a Nobel Prize an Oscar and a Grammy for his SLOPPY and factually inaccurate work. This does not make Global Warming false, but it sure as hell creates some skepticism. NASA has lost a lot of credibility lately also with their newly stated mission of outreach to Islam etc. I do have an open mind.
jt3151 1 year ago
@jt3151
you're doing it again.
NASA is not credible because they are trying to have a dialogue with islam?
Perhaps there are people there that are gay, as well.
check the sources I sent you, and you'll find they promote neither Al Gore, nor Islam.
greenman3610 1 year ago
Thanks Greenman. I still count myself as a skeptic until I can understand why so many of the facts and data seem to be intentionally distorted. I consider Al Gore to be an outright fraud and hypocrite. The fact that he lives such an excessive lifestyle seems to give lie to his expressed fears. That being said I do tend to believe in AGW, I'm just not a believer in unilaterally crippling our economy with regulations that exempt China. I am very open, point me to the data.
jt3151 1 year ago
@jt3151
couple of things here.
the formulation "al gore is a jerk, therefore, there is no climate change", is not sound deductive reasoning.
my video here
watch?v=yLYqzIhhT6o
gives the foundations of what we know about climate change, with links to referenced documents in the description.
for more data, begin by googling
nasa, climate
for NASA's climate change page.
Also, for plentiful links to primary sources, google skeptical science blog
greenman3610 1 year ago
@jt3151 "Al Gore ... outright fraud and hypocrite. [His] excessive lifestyle gives lie to his fears."
Yeah, but is there anyone at all you allow to have those fears, or are you just picking a random excuse out of your a**? If you don't have an excessive lifestyle *and* you don't have those fears then you too are a hypocrite.
celigne 1 year ago
@celigne "I'll believe that there's a crisis when those who insist there's a crisis start acting like there's a crisis."
jt3151 1 year ago
This same guy was warning of a coming ice age only eight years before this.
jt3151 1 year ago
@jt3151
see my video
watch?v=XB3S0fnOr0M
about the "70s ice age" canard.
Schneider was co-author of a paper that said, if we keep putting aerosols into the air, we could block a lot of sun, and maybe cause an ice age.
Subsequently, he realized he was wrong, and said so - as you can see in the vid.
Moreover, we learned a lot about what actually causes ice ages in the intervening years.
Schneider, unlike climate deniers, could analyze evidence, and follow the facts.
greenman3610 1 year ago
@greenman3610 Ah yes, Schneider was a climate denier big enough to admit he was wrong. In fact, I bet he never even calculated which side offered more research money or a more promising career path.
kauffner 1 year ago
@Aliencircle Long post but nice summary.
541iceman 1 year ago
Time to pay attention to William Tarkovsky’s philosophy of humanism and environmental concern!
Check out TheBookOfNewCreation[dot]co[dot]uk and eco-vids The Book of New Creation 1 – 3 here on Youtube…
Cl1mateAware 1 year ago
R.I.P.
yooujiin 1 year ago
@Aliencircle
the goal was never about proof AGW is false, it has always being about clouding the issues and putting doubts in people's mind. It worked successfully and perfectly.
kk207 1 year ago
@kk207 The term for "clouding the issues and putting doubt in peoples' minds" is "agnotology", and you are exactly right about deniers using it to slow down action that will negatively impact their bottom lines.
freakyphysicsguy 1 year ago
@Aliencircle
topbloke has been blocked for abusive language.
point well taken tho.
greenman3610 1 year ago
Camel-hair suits and turtle necks is direct evidence of how much cooler it was in the 70s. So cold the bare neck was unbearable to bare.
metalorg 1 year ago
I'd ask you to quote those predictions from every ten years, but I already know you're a moron with not a 10th of the knowledge this man had and can't
BeondaPale 1 year ago
@BeondaPale Glad you realize global warming is a scam.
TheTopBloke 1 year ago
You will be missed, Doc. RIP
BeondaPale 1 year ago
Now science says goodbye to another great thinker.
I'll bet you Stephen Schneider and Carl Sagan are having a great scientific discussion over a few beers right now.
May you rest in peace Stephen
We won't let you down.
Kingucktoad 1 year ago
@Kingucktoad There is no global warming. There is no global warming. THERE IS NO GLOBAL WARMING.
TheTopBloke 1 year ago
@TheTopBloke
Well you had best tell that to NSA, AAAS, NASA, Royal Society of the United Kingdom, InterAcademy Council, European Academy of Sciences and Arts, International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences, Royal Society of New Zealand, Polish Academy of Sciences, National Research Council, American Chemical Society, American Institute of Physics, American Physical Society, Australian Institute of Physics, European Physical Society, European Science Foundation...
Kingucktoad 1 year ago
@Kingucktoad cont
Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies, American Geophysical Union, European Federation of Geologists, European Geosciences Union, Geological Society of America, Geological Society of Australia, International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics, National Association of Geoscience Teachers, American Meteorological Society, Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society, Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Kingucktoad 1 year ago
@Kingucktoad cont
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society, Royal Meteorological Society, World Meteorological Organization, American Quaternary Association, International Union for Quaternary Research, American Institute of Biological Sciences, American Society for Microbiology, Australian Coral Reef Society, Institute of Biology, American Astronomical Society... to name a few
Yeah looks like you nailed it, all these respected scientific organizations are just wrong and your right...
Kingucktoad 1 year ago
@Kingucktoad Who says they're respected? You are so arrogant to think that humans did anything to cause meteorological change. This psycho babble has been talked about for decades. Guys like Schneider have been trying to scare people stupid for a long time now. Most people know it's nonsense. You know how much the sea level has risen outside my beach house? Zero. You know how much the temperature has changed? Zero. Same as it ever was.
TheTopBloke 1 year ago
@TheTopBloke Right, those of us who agree that climate change is (at least partially) anthropogenic are the 'arrogant' ones. Not people like you who refuse to look at the facts and face the truth because you're too caught up in your own wasteful, destructive lifestyle to care.
contrabiscuit 1 year ago
@TheTopBloke
Oh okay so your saying all of the scientific organization I mentioned as well as the hundreds of others are just lying and almost all scientists working independently and from all different disciplines the world over are involved in the throws of some great conspiracy? That's insane.
If that were the case you would think at least a few scientific organizations would be honest and come out and "yeah we lied" but EVERY SINGLE scientific organization on earth supports the consensus.
Kingucktoad 1 year ago
@Kingucktoad Ever noticed it's called 'climate change' in the winter, and 'global warming' in the summer? Ever stop to realize scientists rely on grant money to pay for their mortgages? I've seen these crooks ban gardens in zoning ordinances and leave their own properties 'exempt' from the very same ordinances. I've seen bureaucrats kicked off of committees when exposed. There's plenty of idiots out there with degrees and zero critical thinking skills. They are not the end all be all.
TheTopBloke 1 year ago
@TheTopBloke Ever noticed it's called 'climate change' in the winter, and 'global warming' in the summer?
Ever noticed that you sound like an idiot!
MezclaCasual 1 year ago
@Kingucktoad Just look at the latest scare tactic. They couldn't even get their story straight. Ice cap lost overnight. All the papers had a different take on and none of them made any sense. Hackers exposed truth. I've first hand knowledge of the BS factory that started this whole thing in California nearly 20 years ago, ie., trading credits. It's all about trading. It has nothing to do with reality.
TheTopBloke 1 year ago
I was very sorry to hear this news, such a great man.
pseudotruth 1 year ago
damn that dude died? that's pretty messed up man he was only 65 if my math is right.
oggleman 1 year ago
Meh
Joaqimx 1 year ago
RIP Stephen.
arryhuk 1 year ago
darn, RIP Stephen ....he's in heaven for sure
stopglobalwarming08 1 year ago
@stopglobalwarming08 Error: file "heaven" does not exist. (R)etry, (A)bort, or (F)ail?
LAnonHubbard 1 year ago
@LAnonHubbard
Look under "Fairy Tales" ;)
1SapereAude1 1 year ago
He was only 65. "Steve did for climate science what Carl Sagan did for astronomy," wrote Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory atmospheric scientist Benjamin Santer.
dailyclimate dot org
julsHz 1 year ago
RIP Stephen.
kellygiz 1 year ago
All my respect to Stephen Schneider, may he rest in peace.
vanderbilt887 1 year ago
oh my god. I did not know he had died... just yesterday... I adored this man and his oratory. god.
Plomomedia 1 year ago
It's very odd that Stanford University's YouTube channel released a lecture from Stephen Schneider just yesterday!
IanBillings00 1 year ago
@IanBillings00 it's probably done as a tribute, no?
jewellx80 1 year ago
@jewellx80 Considering that he just died a couple days ago, I was also thinking that it was a sort of tribute.
IanBillings00 1 year ago
RIP Dr. Schneider... and 2010 is turning out to be the hottest year on record, I would say the "controversy" is over.
useockhamsrazor 1 year ago
RIP to him.
TheSanityInspector 1 year ago
why don't we listen? what the hell world... this is why i want to move to Mars
Craigipedia 1 year ago
@Craigipedia In 200+ years people won't have to!
eoooooon 1 year ago
@Craigipedia
Moving to Mars to escape climate change? "The atmosphere on Mars consists of 95% carbon dioxide, 3% nitrogen, 1.6% argon and contains traces of oxygen and water." (wiki)
hmmmmmmm....
1SapereAude1 1 year ago
@1SapereAude1 I'm not saying we need to move there to escape climate change... we need to move there to escape the bullshit and political faction that allowed something like anthropogenic climate change to happen in the first place. It is very likely that humans will kill each other off on this rock within the next 100 or so years, and we would need to preserve the biodiversity of our planet somewhere else
Craigipedia 1 year ago
@Craigipedia
I was just making a joke. Sometimes you need to play a little dumb for a joke to work.
1SapereAude1 1 year ago
o man.
TheLiberalSoup 1 year ago
RIP smart man, there is no better prediction than the one that it was made years ago and we can see the effect right now years later and the sad part about it is that we don't want to do or didn't do anything about it to avoid it, we're just letting the governments decide for us while we're slowly dying by the effect...Be Smart "Go Green"...
WICKEDMAN9MM 1 year ago
RIP, Stephen. It's funny though his name reads 'H. Schneider'. If you read it aloud in German, it means "hair cutter", which, considering his Euro-afro, is hilarious. If he weren't dead. So yea, rip Stevie. We're not much smarter now than we were back then I guess. 30 years and Kyoto is the best we could come up with? I do like the fact that Germany went ahead and declared at least subsidized solar/wind energy.
Samuraionthewall 1 year ago
I'm soooo sad!
I've never been this sad about the death of person I'd never met...
arneperschel 1 year ago
@arneperschel It's a mutual feeling, you right my friend...
WICKEDMAN9MM 1 year ago
RIP Stephen, your hard work will not be in vain (hopefully).
abyschan 1 year ago
Very nice to be reminded of how sharp Stephen Schneider was. Hearing him speak at a conference in 1983 at Northwestern University convinced me that the impact of greenhouse warming would be large, and that it is something that would be important to begin observing then. Thanks for the great advice and leadership, Stephen, I will continue observing.
mspelto 1 year ago
That kinda blows the "they said it would cool in the 70's" argument out of the water.
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Raptor302 so far as I recall that was the tabloids taking one poor report and running with it as far as they could take it, as they have a wont to do with anything sensationalist as it sells papers.
FordPrefect23 1 year ago
being early, strong and consistent doesnt necessarily make you right or honest or free of hidden political agendas
globalnomad62 1 year ago
@globalnomad62
Well, yes, that's why we've got climate science...
RationalFuture 1 year ago
@RationalFuture according to a recent survey, climate scientists have a worse image than lawyers and used car salesmen. Anywat, now please tell me what the link is between my earlier comment and yours... the connection escapes me...
globalnomad62 1 year ago
He's dressed like Carl Sagan. Awesome.
Throred 1 year ago
It is estimated that the constantly discovered new sources of oil over the coming decades represent profits in the order of TRILLIONS of dollars.
- This vital fact ensures that corporate interests and the social interests of all humanity will not jive and continue in conflict until societies take action. Corporation control of governments is better known as fascism.
bencubed 1 year ago
gee...you'd almost think that someone was raising a red flag 31 years ago...nah...must be my imagination...
AbdultheImpailler 1 year ago
Is it just me or does he look like Ted Bundy.
hoodedmanxz 1 year ago
Brave soul. He fought against the odds and was an inspiration to those who knew him.
rlga5 1 year ago
Total bummer. Steve was the best known US climate scientist, after James Hansen, & quite gifted at public communication. In the mid-70s he was on the Tonite Show explaining that we simply didnt know yet whether global warming or cooling was more likely, tho it was clear that human activities were having a noticeable impact on Earth's climate. By the 80s it was unequivocal that the warming trend was dominant, & we should have taken action THEN to wean ourselves from fossil fuels. 25 yrs later...
owlcowl 1 year ago
Did they ALL dress like Carl Sagan back then?
*note to 1979. If they are wearing a brown skivvy with a brown jacket with patches on the elbows LISTEN TO THEM.
dangerouslytalented 1 year ago
Rest in peace, Stephen. You were a true giant in this area and will be greatly missed.
Iceberg6606 1 year ago
awwwww. Good man, wish he was here.
facelessone86 1 year ago
watch?v=OLHh9E5ilZ4
SuperAtheist 1 year ago
Damn. This is a great loss.
werecow2003 1 year ago
It tilts me so hard that weve known all this stuff since before 79 and yet 30 yrs later were still waiting for somtething to be done about it.
geordieppp 1 year ago
0:14 Colon-oil and gas? What?
boswell255 1 year ago
@boswell255 Coal, oil, and gas.
SummerSeale 1 year ago
@boswell255 Coal and* oil and gas.
GuBB3rGuN 1 year ago
Science deniers call Schneider an "advocate for climate change), which just cracks me up.
Desertphile 1 year ago
I sincerely hope that in 30 years I'm not looking at greenman's videos the way we are looking as Schneider now from a radically changed world and wishing that we had acted sooner.
cugamer 1 year ago
Hummm?,,, I didn't see this on FOXNEWS,,,,,
itsasin1969 1 year ago
@itsasin1969 hahahah, silly fox news xD you would never see this on that "channel"
GuBB3rGuN 1 year ago
@GuBB3rGuN I thought the quotes went around "news" ? :D "Next up, our completely Unbiased(TM) news anchor lobs softball questions at a person with views our owner agrees with!"
triftenC 1 year ago
@triftenC And tonight on the O'reily factor! Sarah Palin, and how she deals with the evil LEFT WING MEDIA ATTACKS ON HER FAMILY! Seriously, those lefties basically want to kill her! Also joining me tonight, Mr. Glenn Beck! It's gonna be a great line up, with lots of fun! You are now entering the "no spin zone" only on "Fair and Balanced" fox news!...
What a fucking joke lol. I hate them so much.
GuBB3rGuN 1 year ago
@GuBB3rGuN Hey, it's not just fox news...
Half the TV weather forecasters in America (most of whom are not qualified as meteorologists) believe that global warming/climate change is a hoax.
dangerouslytalented 1 year ago
@dangerouslytalented Doesn't mean it's right. First off, this is a lie. Second, what the **** do broadcasters know that 99% of scientists don't?
mathmatucla 1 year ago
@mathmatucla Yes, they know that the big money is in denying science, so the coal and oil companies can keep on digging and drilling.
dangerouslytalented 1 year ago
@dangerouslytalented "Half the TV weather forecasters in America (most of whom are not qualified as meteorologists) believe that global warming/climate change is a hoax."
Their scock portfolio wouldn't have a thing to do with their greedy ways, no not one bit.
ISamuelII 1 year ago
@ISamuelII I guess my fingers wanted to write scam,, stock portfloio.
ISamuelII 1 year ago
@ISamuelII They know who is paying the bills.
If the boss is a science denier, they will hire those who are also science deniers. It is really that simple.
dangerouslytalented 1 year ago
@dangerouslytalented You knowz it.
ISamuelII 1 year ago
@dangerouslytalented You are correct, and I understand how that could lead one to view that as evidence on why climate change isn't real... but to realize the point you made is actually not evidence at all, you need to understand is only one thing. Climate and weather are two entirely different things, I believe Greenman3610 here actually has a great video on why that is not soo.. go watch it! It is actually quite good. I believe it's titled"It's Cold. So there's no climate change"
GuBB3rGuN 1 year ago
@GuBB3rGuN Do you get paid for saying what you do?
mhhensel 1 year ago
@mhhensel That's the most cynical comment I've read in a long time.
robhoneycutt 1 year ago
@mhhensel No :P
GuBB3rGuN 1 year ago
@GuBB3rGuN Bingo. It is like a blind man in front of an elephant. The TV meteorologist (blind man) can only feel one part of the elephant (the exact weather, for one particular region, on that particular day) and may know it intimately, but the climatologist looks at the WHOLE FUCKING ELEPHANT.
dangerouslytalented 1 year ago
@dangerouslytalented exactly!!
GuBB3rGuN 1 year ago
I'll be using this video the next time someone tells me "all the scientists were predicting global cooling.."
LoryLandskipper 1 year ago
brilliant excert
BespokeGroupUK 1 year ago
Fake!
Everybody knows all scientists in the 1970s were predicting an ice age while disco dancing.
(sarcasm)
xyzoneon 1 year ago
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anitamoerz 1 year ago
RPI
donald1w12 1 year ago
What the fuck? Where's the impending ice age? Denis miller wouldn't lie to me!
bdobbsthepipe 1 year ago
31 years old, and still 100% true
AjaPuppy 1 year ago
He nailed it. It's a shame republicunts still say there is no global warming.
LtShock 1 year ago
Wow, he summed up the situation perfectly...and that was 31 years ago.
quidproquo2004 1 year ago
And only a year later Carl Sagan brought the concept of global warming to a wider audience in Cosmos.
RIP Stephen, and RIP Carl, two great minds that are sorely missed and who's contribution to the world should be forever remembered.
theatheistguy 1 year ago
this reminds me of how i wish carl sagan were still around. of course i didn't even know who he was until a clip from thunderf00t's "why do people laugh at creationists", but regardless the world needs people like sagan more than ever
theeyeisblind 1 year ago
@theeyeisblind Hulu.com has the complete run of Cosmos available for viewing. Check it out
jimjamerman 1 year ago
@jimjamerman
cool, of course i have already "acquired" the whole series from a youtuber but at least i can tell my friends where to get instant access. it kinda makes me feel bad cuz such great content is worth a price.
theeyeisblind 1 year ago
I thought that was Bill Nye, I was excited to see him with an afro. Now I'm feeling depressed that its not him.
Brandonjaf 1 year ago
I think i just shat myself... yes... yes i definitely shat myself.
Leadman1989 1 year ago
This is why I agree with you Greenman. I was alive in 1979, and at 16 years old, I was listening to people like him and reading science mags.
truvelocity 1 year ago
This also pretty much exposes the deniers' lie that back in the 70's the scientific consensus was that the world was cooling.
CousinoMacul 1 year ago
@CousinoMacul But.. But.. Time magazine had an article that said global cooling, not global warming!... I was actually shocked hearing Penn say that on "Bullshit!".
Cyrathil 1 year ago
@Cyrathil Look up Global Cooling at Wikipedia. The Time article title was misleading and the article didn't represent the consensus of scientists. It's just another example of climate change deniers clutching at straws. Note that Penn Gilette is an outspoken Libertarian and Libertarians seem to often be denialists just as most Republicans are. It is very sad that Penn has lost so much credibility because of his climate change stance. I've lost a lot of respect for him.
DarwinsChihuahua 1 year ago
@DarwinsChihuahua That was my point. I was shocked hearing him say it, but then again this was before I found out my cousin's family was libertarian and I started hearing the odd things they tend to say.
Cyrathil 1 year ago
@Cyrathil I like to say that "A Libertarian is just a Republican with half a brain". The implication is that it's half a brain more than a Republican has. I've found that many Libertarians are just Republicans who are too embarrassed (rightly) to admit it. I have a Libertarian friend who is "all about" personal liberty and being able to do what he wants yet he voted to ban gay marriage in California. I wonder how that fits in with his notion of personal liberty.
DarwinsChihuahua 1 year ago
@DarwinsChihuahua Sadly, many libertarians are chrstians and I believe the libertarian party is largely christian in belief.
The key is, they believe in states rights and smaller "federal" government.
When they use the blanket statement government, it isnt so blanket.
They want to enforce their own views over their own small area and not have to conform to a larger societal structure.
So if gay rights are enforced somewhere else, they dont want to have to follow them in their area.
waltermh111 1 year ago
@DarwinsChihuahua Obviously, libertarianism is about paranious, fear of many things, usually unfounded but potential fears.
Wors than republican conservative fears, but your right, they are smarter than your average conservative and do try harder to justify themselves, which I guess is commendable.
waltermh111 1 year ago
Rest in peace, Stephen! We love you, and thank you!
AmbientSmiley 1 year ago
Scientific "consensus" depends on who's paying the scientists.
Way ahead of his time scientifically, but with the times fasionally.
lostburro 1 year ago
@lostburro SANTA MARIA! I FORGOT THE H.
lostburro 1 year ago
He'll be missed.
Orsbore 1 year ago
sigh, we are fools and deserve the repercussion of our actions for not heeding the words of the wise.
baxizach 1 year ago
@baxizach
Agree. The problem is that those who suffer the worst consequences are not the ones guilty of not listening.
I'm 25 and I'm definitely among those who ARE listening and DON'T deserve the repercussion.
By the time things get really bad, the guilty will have long choked on their caviar or drowned in their jacuzzi.
arneperschel 1 year ago
outch
TheSupercool19 1 year ago
beast
fishbone937 1 year ago
I guess back then, it took a lot more brains and guts to realize this problem and talking about it publicly.
DeletedDelusion 1 year ago
@DeletedDelusion I think that "back then" it wasn't looked at as a political issue. Only a world issue.
lostburro 1 year ago
wooo
0neDose 1 year ago