Hi. I don't think the pipe is getting hot enough. If you get a hotter flame (more HHO) then you can heat a bigger block of iron. It will get red and boil a larger amount of water. Then you can collect the steam, concentrate, and use it to power a turbine. This turbine can recharge the batteries used for making the HHO, and power fans that can blow the heat from the red hot metal into the room. You can get an independent home heating unit that needs no electricity. I'm only imagined it so far.
this is the same idea, basically, that I have been planning to do after I complete making my sterling engine. just have a the hho flame heat a larger iron container of water and let the heat drive the sterling engine with a highly efficient generator attached to it... I am thinking that the electricity produced will be more than enough to provide the electricity for the HHO generator. Especially if the HHO generator is a Joe cell or meyers WFC design.
can you put two spark arrestors on the same hho line? i ask cuz it seems as though it would b safer with 2 fail safes.. ive seen spark arrestors as simple as a ciggarette butt opened up and stuffed in the orifice
I was thinking of some kind of a transfer unit with a finned ceramic pipe arrangement. Forced air would then blow across the fins taking the heated air to the house.
Good ceramics can be heated to over 10 000 degrees with the same flame. Lots of BTUs.
I wanted to see the ceramics used as well! Xogen had a ceramic heat exchanger, but they fancied themselves as gas producing manufacturers and fell on their collective face, the heat exchanger might have been their ticket to success...
Yes but you are also looking at the factor of cost.. Good ceramics are highly expensive.. You will want this system to be comparable (when enlarged) in several ways to the already existing heating methods, for cooking, house heating etc.. What I like about this is you don't need sun to make some serious heat. And I am betting you do not need too much amps either. But to make a good amount of heat for a home, you will need a much larger system that will require more Current. Plus more dangers.
We could do it. Just have to put our minds into it. The power source is key at this point. It does point to multiple batteries either in series or parallel configuration.
@hto1971 WhAt would be nice or amazing if we could get a large enough pwoer generation is the power mat tech adapted to work with a pulse wave modulator
wow, that probably will explode- The tube coming out of the the water should go through an other container with water to make HHO bubbles and have a tube coming out of that container to your torch.. I know this sounds confusing, but if you check on other vids, you can see that the people use two containers instead of 1.
Thank you very much for your interesting, clever demonstration. I'm interested in a fuel cell for home energy during non sunlight hours when our Photo Voltaic (PV) system is sleeping.
While watching your demonstration, it occurred to me that people like you are our best hope for clean, sustainable energy.
I wish you all the luck that your interests, cleverness and dedication deserve. You are to be admired.
I am looking at quite an ambitious project - namely using HHO to heat a cast iron multifuel stove - possibly by filling it with fire brick material. Can you offer me any advice regarding flame spread/diffusion to enable this idea to work? I understand that a directed hydrogen flames are capable of cutting metals, and so I would need the flame to be mre spread. Do you think this wold be a question of nozzle diameter and gas pressure? Any ideas appreciated.
I'd like to make one request. Please stop referring to this as HHO. HHO is H2O, water. Water doesn't burn. You are electrolyzing water into hydrogen and oxygen. Then,you are allowing them to mix in the volume above the water in the electrolyzer.
Also, please be extremely careful. You are working with a premixed hydrogen/oxygen gas. As you noted, if your flashback arrestor fails, the electrolyzer will most likely explode.
Check valve does not work. Mine flashed past the valve. Bronze wool moderately packed about 3" starting from the tip works very well. I also put bronze wool at the end of the hose where it attaches to the HHO cell.
Great idea. I had a similar idea by using the hot water created by the electrolysis, basicly pumping the water from the generator to a radiator or similar, and then back to the generator again.
the water will only heat to 100 celsius... the water is keeping the steel close to that temperature... untill all the water has evaporated, the steel will not get any hotter.
All you need is a pressure release mechanism on the enclosure without the flashback arrester. A hole drilled with a cork in it would work also. The cork will pop before the whole enclosure explodes.
Doesn't work. The HHO ignites so fast that the pressure will move in ALL directions equally & a hole with a cork will not work. If that were true, then my hose should have been blown loose of my cell. I put the hose on very loose, but when I got a flashback, it blew up the cell (4" PVC). Use bronze wool as arrestor in at least 2 places, at the tip & at the connector to the cell. You'll be ok.
hydrogen flame speed is 1000 times gasoline.igniting a liter of hho will lill you.forget the conventional flashback arrestors.use correctly set up bubbelers
..this also makes the HHO safer than natural gas. The flashback would not be severe in a unit this size under low pressure...probably not much more than enough to blow up your unit! Worth having the protector though just to be sure.
Did you know that if you mix the HHO with a non-combustible gas you can control the burn rate which reduces the temperature of the flame. You can make it burn with similar properties to natural gas/gasoline/diesal and therefore use it in your existing gas heating systems.
can you give us and example of how you can mix HHO with a non-combustible gas,,,and be able to control the temparature of the flame caming out of a HHO torc?it will be really nice to explain it for all the readers out-here
No problem! the simplest method I have heard of is you feedback the exhaust gases from the outlet manifold, the extent of the mix regulates the rate off the hydrogen burn. It's in Meyers patent for 'Water Fuel Cell' apparently depending on the mixture you can get any burn rate you want...
was concerned about flashback from my hho cell (12"length pvc with glued base and screw on top, flat plates)when it shorted out and ignited. It popped like a small firecracker, blew the tubing off the barbed fitting, and browned the inside of the clear plastic tube.. no injuries, no damage.I don't plan to repeat this exercise but now I don't have to wonder what would happen with this volume of HHO.Always enjoy your vids, my favorite being your windex capacitor.. Keep up the good work Go Hoax!!
For a simple solution, search the web for propane instant tankless hot water heaters.
If your using solar PV to run your HHO device in the daytime, I would suggest storing the hot water in a tank and accumulating the heat to keep your home warm overnight.
Not only good ideas, but you also pursue more immediately obtainable goals than the usual OU 'run my car on water' crowd. (though I like their stuff too!)
But brotha... despite your repeated success with that flashback arrestor, you Really might think about a small shrapnel sheild if you intend to continue testing without a bubbler until it finally does fail unexpectedly.
You may only get *one* boom.. and you're worrying me with that setup vs. your proximity.
Good vid. Still would like to see the time it takes to get a 1oz SS mesuring cup to 212 degrees. Then we can fig the BTU's, that would be fun. Good can't over infisize about back flash. This ain't propane we got here.
looks like a water heater to me. my house is 48 f right now. brrr . Small instant hot water would be a plus. have you seen "watch?v=xEdQRVQtffw" on youtube. I like that system but cost alot.
crazy guy your not using a bubbler after that cell i have two on mine for safety
theoneagain 1 month ago
Hi. I don't think the pipe is getting hot enough. If you get a hotter flame (more HHO) then you can heat a bigger block of iron. It will get red and boil a larger amount of water. Then you can collect the steam, concentrate, and use it to power a turbine. This turbine can recharge the batteries used for making the HHO, and power fans that can blow the heat from the red hot metal into the room. You can get an independent home heating unit that needs no electricity. I'm only imagined it so far.
ProductionRadical 2 months ago
I love it
brianpisces 1 year ago
Hey sirHoax, have you been working on update? Nice vid keep them comming!!!!
TheBillythekid2010 1 year ago
did you buy the torch tip or make it?.
WuTangghost0007 1 year ago
this is the same idea, basically, that I have been planning to do after I complete making my sterling engine. just have a the hho flame heat a larger iron container of water and let the heat drive the sterling engine with a highly efficient generator attached to it... I am thinking that the electricity produced will be more than enough to provide the electricity for the HHO generator. Especially if the HHO generator is a Joe cell or meyers WFC design.
maxrep1974 2 years ago
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xxx777aaa 1 month ago
can you put two spark arrestors on the same hho line? i ask cuz it seems as though it would b safer with 2 fail safes.. ive seen spark arrestors as simple as a ciggarette butt opened up and stuffed in the orifice
xxx777aaa 2 years ago
you could put the water through a radiator
ScorpionFrog420 2 years ago
not bad. 3 min flame!! but no bubbler? bad!!!! its a good idea to hve a back up just incase your arrester fails. good work!!
now what about your car?
virginislandstv 2 years ago
I was thinking of some kind of a transfer unit with a finned ceramic pipe arrangement. Forced air would then blow across the fins taking the heated air to the house.
Good ceramics can be heated to over 10 000 degrees with the same flame. Lots of BTUs.
Stormrunner0002 2 years ago
I wanted to see the ceramics used as well! Xogen had a ceramic heat exchanger, but they fancied themselves as gas producing manufacturers and fell on their collective face, the heat exchanger might have been their ticket to success...
ewmegoolies 2 years ago
Yes but you are also looking at the factor of cost.. Good ceramics are highly expensive.. You will want this system to be comparable (when enlarged) in several ways to the already existing heating methods, for cooking, house heating etc.. What I like about this is you don't need sun to make some serious heat. And I am betting you do not need too much amps either. But to make a good amount of heat for a home, you will need a much larger system that will require more Current. Plus more dangers.
luc59457 2 years ago
awesome, think this could be a full time hot water heater??
kdkinen 2 years ago
You need a Bubbler to protect yourself, and your cell...Be Safe
Patrick97123 3 years ago
why not the hho gas to a heater it would be gas that go into a house furnec
hto1971 3 years ago
We could do it. Just have to put our minds into it. The power source is key at this point. It does point to multiple batteries either in series or parallel configuration.
sirHOAX 3 years ago
@hto1971 WhAt would be nice or amazing if we could get a large enough pwoer generation is the power mat tech adapted to work with a pulse wave modulator
LongWardenerneth 1 year ago
add a bubbler
hhoguru232004 3 years ago
How many lpm are you running?
xljimmy89 3 years ago
1-What is the longest you have been able to a flame going?
2-How many watts of power are you using?
3-How much you can stored HHO?
4-How far have you have going on this proto-type heater
5-have you made new improvements to go longer with the heating process or to keep the flame a live,,for at least 1hr?
reftri 3 years ago
wow, that probably will explode- The tube coming out of the the water should go through an other container with water to make HHO bubbles and have a tube coming out of that container to your torch.. I know this sounds confusing, but if you check on other vids, you can see that the people use two containers instead of 1.
Mekill60 3 years ago
4 July 08
Thank you very much for your interesting, clever demonstration. I'm interested in a fuel cell for home energy during non sunlight hours when our Photo Voltaic (PV) system is sleeping.
While watching your demonstration, it occurred to me that people like you are our best hope for clean, sustainable energy.
I wish you all the luck that your interests, cleverness and dedication deserve. You are to be admired.
Michael von Braun
Major, Military Intelligence
U.S. Army (R.A., rt.)
mvonbraun 3 years ago
Hi Sir
I am looking at quite an ambitious project - namely using HHO to heat a cast iron multifuel stove - possibly by filling it with fire brick material. Can you offer me any advice regarding flame spread/diffusion to enable this idea to work? I understand that a directed hydrogen flames are capable of cutting metals, and so I would need the flame to be mre spread. Do you think this wold be a question of nozzle diameter and gas pressure? Any ideas appreciated.
Gazza
gazzzwp 3 years ago
at least you can make a cup of tea using hydrogen cool
theoneagain 3 years ago
I'd like to make one request. Please stop referring to this as HHO. HHO is H2O, water. Water doesn't burn. You are electrolyzing water into hydrogen and oxygen. Then,you are allowing them to mix in the volume above the water in the electrolyzer.
Also, please be extremely careful. You are working with a premixed hydrogen/oxygen gas. As you noted, if your flashback arrestor fails, the electrolyzer will most likely explode.
CombustionGuy 3 years ago
almost everyone refers it as HHO on youtube and all over the internet.
carrierpilot1357 3 years ago
someones going to blow to peices one day if they are using premixed H2 and O2
vmelkon 3 years ago
Sirhoax .. What would happen if you included a steady stream of NO2 into the flame?
The777truth 3 years ago
just some thoughts ...
have you tried to light the flame in the water that you are heating ???
make a small combustion chamber in the water
with an igniter across the injecton port
the hydrogen / oxygen will burn
and all heat is transfered to the water -
no waste heat
the gasses are then condensed back into water
just a thought ;-)
sledgehammeruk 3 years ago
Put a check valve just before the arrestor, good insurance policy
remilarou 3 years ago
Check valve does not work. Mine flashed past the valve. Bronze wool moderately packed about 3" starting from the tip works very well. I also put bronze wool at the end of the hose where it attaches to the HHO cell.
Alcyone53 3 years ago
Thats not good, i made a HHO pump action launcher, the check valve worked fine, i didnt have any blow back what so ever.
remilarou 3 years ago
Great idea. I had a similar idea by using the hot water created by the electrolysis, basicly pumping the water from the generator to a radiator or similar, and then back to the generator again.
babyella07 4 years ago
great work keep it up be careful
aflacduky 4 years ago
How is it that the pot has not burnt up??
MIKEandNADIA 4 years ago
the water will only heat to 100 celsius... the water is keeping the steel close to that temperature... untill all the water has evaporated, the steel will not get any hotter.
kushy04 4 years ago 2
the flash back arrestor you used here....is it a oxy acetaline type,or something else??
m3sca1 4 years ago
All you need is a pressure release mechanism on the enclosure without the flashback arrester. A hole drilled with a cork in it would work also. The cork will pop before the whole enclosure explodes.
redviper101 4 years ago
Doesn't work. The HHO ignites so fast that the pressure will move in ALL directions equally & a hole with a cork will not work. If that were true, then my hose should have been blown loose of my cell. I put the hose on very loose, but when I got a flashback, it blew up the cell (4" PVC). Use bronze wool as arrestor in at least 2 places, at the tip & at the connector to the cell. You'll be ok.
Alcyone53 3 years ago
hydrogen flame speed is 1000 times gasoline.igniting a liter of hho will lill you.forget the conventional flashback arrestors.use correctly set up bubbelers
bobbyrita 4 years ago
You should work on a flux capacitor.
WolverineInk 4 years ago
this hydrogen diy style is amazing no more harsh winters for me i must build a hydrogen heater so i will never have to buy gas again
fucking great !!!!!!!!!!!
theoneagain 4 years ago
Very very interesting, Sirhoax. I have not tried to make a torch with mine but it won't be long before I do. I can get one liter per minute from
my unit so I know that i will have the capacity to use a small torch.
Peace.
reivaj077 4 years ago
Keep up the ideas, mate. Just document everything and share it publicly, then the big guys will not try and stop you.
webwarrior007 4 years ago
really cool stuff, keep up the good work and progress. Can't wait to buy the SirHoax heating unit for my house in a couple years!
jatticks 4 years ago
What is the longest you have been able to a flame going? Great job Hoax! We are all anticipating more videos.
timfoss445 4 years ago
How many watts of power are you using?
cousinles80 4 years ago
..this also makes the HHO safer than natural gas. The flashback would not be severe in a unit this size under low pressure...probably not much more than enough to blow up your unit! Worth having the protector though just to be sure.
MattBlytheTheOne 4 years ago
Did you know that if you mix the HHO with a non-combustible gas you can control the burn rate which reduces the temperature of the flame. You can make it burn with similar properties to natural gas/gasoline/diesal and therefore use it in your existing gas heating systems.
MattBlytheTheOne 4 years ago
the ideal system would use exhaust feedback from the already burned fumes, to self regulate itself!
MattBlytheTheOne 4 years ago
kind of like mabey an e.g.r valve that is allready in cars
bionicseahorse86 4 years ago
can you give us and example of how you can mix HHO with a non-combustible gas,,,and be able to control the temparature of the flame caming out of a HHO torc?it will be really nice to explain it for all the readers out-here
reftri 3 years ago
No problem! the simplest method I have heard of is you feedback the exhaust gases from the outlet manifold, the extent of the mix regulates the rate off the hydrogen burn. It's in Meyers patent for 'Water Fuel Cell' apparently depending on the mixture you can get any burn rate you want...
MattBlytheTheOne 3 years ago
it is basically damping the burn effect by mixing the HHO with an inert gas.
MattBlytheTheOne 3 years ago
HHO powered BONG lol
only joking
hopeitshappy 4 years ago
was concerned about flashback from my hho cell (12"length pvc with glued base and screw on top, flat plates)when it shorted out and ignited. It popped like a small firecracker, blew the tubing off the barbed fitting, and browned the inside of the clear plastic tube.. no injuries, no damage.I don't plan to repeat this exercise but now I don't have to wonder what would happen with this volume of HHO.Always enjoy your vids, my favorite being your windex capacitor.. Keep up the good work Go Hoax!!
jabrinka99 4 years ago
for me , it the best one ,
yanlapanic 4 years ago
For a simple solution, search the web for propane instant tankless hot water heaters.
If your using solar PV to run your HHO device in the daytime, I would suggest storing the hot water in a tank and accumulating the heat to keep your home warm overnight.
paaping 4 years ago
Man, I love watching your vids!
Not only good ideas, but you also pursue more immediately obtainable goals than the usual OU 'run my car on water' crowd. (though I like their stuff too!)
But brotha... despite your repeated success with that flashback arrestor, you Really might think about a small shrapnel sheild if you intend to continue testing without a bubbler until it finally does fail unexpectedly.
You may only get *one* boom.. and you're worrying me with that setup vs. your proximity.
MemrabPenhest 4 years ago
Very cool!, I'll keep on watching.
pwmpower 4 years ago
now that you have done a lot of mods to the cell try running it in the car again.
jmoyet 4 years ago
the black pipe end cap is made of cast iron
december105 4 years ago
Some is cast iron, some is steel. The threaded pipe is steel. :=P
sirHOAX 4 years ago
Good vid. Still would like to see the time it takes to get a 1oz SS mesuring cup to 212 degrees. Then we can fig the BTU's, that would be fun. Good can't over infisize about back flash. This ain't propane we got here.
crazzieg 4 years ago
looks like a water heater to me. my house is 48 f right now. brrr . Small instant hot water would be a plus. have you seen "watch?v=xEdQRVQtffw" on youtube. I like that system but cost alot.
czarwright 4 years ago